Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 16, 2025


Ep 1218 ｜ John MacArthur： Enemy of Tyrants, Champion of the Gospel


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54 minutes

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163.08778

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8,881

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564

Misogynist Sentences

15

Hate Speech Sentences

22


Summary

Pastor John MacArthur has died at the age of 86, and we are honoring his legacy by looking at some of my favorite highlights of his ministry and how he pushed back against tyranny and cultural confusion simply by being a faithful preacher and defender of the gospel.


Transcript

00:00:01.000 Renowned expositor John MacArthur has died at the age of 86.
00:00:06.600 Today, we are honoring his legacy, and in that, we are looking at some of my favorite
00:00:12.780 highlights of his ministry, how he pushed back against tyranny and cultural confusion
00:00:18.920 simply by being a faithful preacher of the Word of God and defender of the gospel.
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00:04:37.100 Let's talk about Pastor John MacArthur.
00:04:40.960 You heard me mention at the end of Monday's episode that their church, Grace Community Church,
00:04:46.480 had announced that Pastor John is in the hospital with pneumonia.
00:04:50.760 He's had a series of health complications over the past several months.
00:04:55.140 He is 86 years old, and they warned people that he is probably not going to recover.
00:05:03.620 And I asked for prayer on Monday, as many other people have had, for healing.
00:05:09.900 But if not healing, then supernatural peace.
00:05:12.920 And actually, God has answered both of those prayers with a yes, because John MacArthur is
00:05:18.400 now fully healed in heaven.
00:05:20.560 He is fully whole, and he is in the presence of his Savior.
00:05:25.140 And I want to talk a little bit about John MacArthur, who he is, his legacy, some of the
00:05:32.180 highlights that at least we can see publicly through videos that have been published over
00:05:38.260 the years.
00:05:39.060 I mean, it would take volumes of books to talk about his entire faithful ministry and the
00:05:45.760 impact that it has had.
00:05:47.520 And so we only have a short amount of time to go through a few of my favorite highlights,
00:05:52.880 but I hope it blesses you, and I hope you, like me, have your courage renewed to stand
00:05:59.860 for the truth of the gospel.
00:06:02.440 This is what Grace To You, his ministry, posted on Acts yesterday.
00:06:06.920 Our hearts are heavy yet rejoicing as we share the news that our beloved pastor and teacher,
00:06:12.920 John MacArthur, has entered into the presence of the Savior.
00:06:16.580 This evening, his faith became sight.
00:06:19.840 Yes and amen.
00:06:20.900 He faithfully endured until his race was run.
00:06:24.880 And they put 2 Timothy 4, 1 through 8.
00:06:29.220 And I just want to read that to you, since it was obviously very important to Dr. MacArthur
00:06:36.620 and also important to his church and to his ministry.
00:06:44.600 I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and
00:06:49.100 the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom, preach the word, be ready in season and out of
00:06:55.100 season, reprove, rebuke, and exhort with complete patience and teaching.
00:07:00.060 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears,
00:07:06.140 they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away
00:07:11.180 from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
00:07:14.500 As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill
00:07:21.460 your ministry.
00:07:23.940 And then there's more in that chapter, but I'll end right there.
00:07:27.220 For the sake of time, I encourage you to read that whole chapter, but that is a beautiful
00:07:33.040 summary of what John MacArthur's ministry was like and what he aimed to do.
00:07:39.900 If you don't know about John MacArthur, especially those of you who are my Catholic listeners or
00:07:45.620 maybe listeners who don't have a faith at all, you might not know why this person is so significant,
00:07:52.580 not just to his local congregation, but really to the world of Christendom.
00:07:59.720 He was the pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California from 1969 until his
00:08:07.480 death this week.
00:08:08.700 Wow.
00:08:09.220 He was a renowned Baptist expositor.
00:08:12.080 Expositor means that you are lifting the meaning out of the text.
00:08:16.440 You are preaching word by word the text of scripture.
00:08:20.820 You are looking at the context.
00:08:23.660 You are allowing scripture to interpret scripture, and you are pointing to the gospel in every
00:08:29.560 single passage of the Bible.
00:08:32.080 He was a very skilled, a very eloquent, a very dynamic and persuasive expositor.
00:08:38.300 He authored numerous books about the gospel as seen in all segments of scripture, Old and
00:08:45.040 New Testament.
00:08:45.720 I love the gospel according to Jesus, the gospel according to Matthew, really good formative
00:08:51.320 books.
00:08:52.320 I have a few of his study Bibles, which have been very impactful.
00:08:57.280 They've been distributed around the world.
00:09:00.200 John MacArthur was someone who was impervious to cultural pressures.
00:09:05.400 He was relentless in defending the truth of God's word.
00:09:08.580 He was immovable against the demands of the moral revolution that has cast our country into
00:09:15.940 sexual chaos and confusion.
00:09:18.800 He was courageous in the face of government tyranny.
00:09:23.880 He was an aggressive enemy to false doctrine, whether it was progressivism or the prosperity
00:09:31.880 gospel.
00:09:32.600 He was an untiring defender of the truth.
00:09:38.860 He was also a loving husband to his wife of 62 years, Patricia.
00:09:46.080 He was a father.
00:09:47.660 He was a grandfather.
00:09:48.960 He was a great grandfather.
00:09:51.100 He was a faithful, steady leader of his congregation for 56 years.
00:09:57.560 In an age of soundbites and celebrity pastors, people whose name is really here today and
00:10:05.000 gone tomorrow because they're just there for fame and for notoriety, he was faithful to
00:10:14.720 his church for almost six decades.
00:10:18.560 Last week, I talked to a man.
00:10:21.200 I had a conversation with a guy who has worked for John MacArthur for years.
00:10:25.340 And we were just talking about his dynamics with him.
00:10:29.280 And when he was hired by John MacArthur to do the work that he does, and he was talking
00:10:34.720 about being called into his office.
00:10:37.120 And I said, oh, I'm sure that that was a little intimidating that you didn't know whether
00:10:41.220 it was good or bad, whether you were getting promoted or you were getting fired.
00:10:45.260 And he said, actually, I knew that it was good because John MacArthur didn't like to deliver
00:10:52.040 negative news to people.
00:10:53.940 He didn't like having those very difficult conversations, those kind of negative conversations,
00:10:59.720 negative feedback, because anyone who knows John MacArthur knows what a sweetheart he is
00:11:05.640 and knows how tenderhearted he is, that he really, as much as he was unafraid to talk
00:11:14.100 about sin and beg for people to repent from their sin, his desire was not to hurt people.
00:11:21.240 His desire was to love people.
00:11:23.660 And that is why he was so fierce against deception.
00:11:27.360 He was passionate about the gospel, and he was a soft-hearted shepherd to his people.
00:11:33.240 And we got to see and benefit from so much of his public ministry.
00:11:38.020 But we know that there are thousands and thousands of hours and moments of unseen and unsung faithfulness
00:11:46.160 that are ringing in eternity that we, on this side of eternity, will never fully know.
00:11:51.100 We know that his impact will last for decades, if not centuries to come.
00:11:56.280 And now he has heard the words that he has longed to hear his whole life that we should
00:12:00.580 all long to hear as Christians.
00:12:02.120 And that is well done.
00:12:03.780 Good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of your master.
00:12:08.700 He is united with Jesus.
00:12:10.300 He is united with all of the saints who have gone before him.
00:12:14.560 And by saints, I mean what the Bible means when it says saints.
00:12:18.400 I am talking about all Christians.
00:12:20.420 All Christians through Christ, by grace, through faith, become saints.
00:12:25.280 We are saints and members with the household of God.
00:12:27.660 So he has joined all of the saints who have gone before him.
00:12:31.440 He has reunited with many of those he loved so much on earth, including his father who helped
00:12:37.920 shape his faith.
00:12:38.860 That was something he talked about a lot.
00:12:40.800 His beloved friend and fellow defender of the gospel, even amidst their disagreements,
00:12:47.280 their fellowship was such a good example for the rest of us.
00:12:50.680 And that was theologian R.C. Sproul, someone else that I have really learned from and benefited
00:12:55.120 from a lot.
00:12:56.720 I did not know John MacArthur well personally, but I feel honored that I got to speak to him
00:13:05.100 twice when he was gracious enough to come on this show.
00:13:08.200 And we'll talk about that in a little bit.
00:13:10.200 But I will miss him in the sense that I was always able to trust that from his pulpit, he
00:13:18.840 would meet every culturally chaotic moment with clarity.
00:13:23.760 And there's just not, there aren't a lot of pastors who do that well today, to be honest.
00:13:32.180 In the era of COVID, he did a sermon series, I believe it was 2021, about Satan's attack
00:13:40.400 on children, how that manifests itself in society today via sexualization, gender confusion,
00:13:46.180 child sacrifice, abortion.
00:13:47.540 And it bolstered me, it grounded me, it reminded me why sticking to God's word against the lies
00:13:53.340 of our culture is worth it, whatever the cost.
00:13:57.160 So thank you, John MacArthur, for your faithfulness.
00:14:02.200 I am praying for his family.
00:14:04.720 I'm praying for his friends.
00:14:06.480 I'm praying for his church as they go through this transition to different leadership.
00:14:11.760 And I am just so grateful for the power of the Holy Spirit in his life and the impact
00:14:18.980 that it will have for so many years to come.
00:14:21.920 All right, we'll get into some more videos and highlights in just a second.
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00:16:12.900 Al Muller, another one of my favorite guests and someone that I've learned so much from and
00:16:19.100 have been able to spend time with in person.
00:16:22.840 He published a tribute to John MacArthur in World Opinions on Monday titled, A Lion of
00:16:28.400 the Pulpit, Now in Christ's Presence.
00:16:31.580 He says this, and it is absolutely true.
00:16:33.840 He was the greatest expositor of his time.
00:16:36.720 One of the ironies of John MacArthur is that, to the end, he insisted that any God-called
00:16:41.680 preacher of the Word could do what he did.
00:16:44.160 There was great truth in that claim, of course.
00:16:46.060 After all, what MacArthur meant was that preaching comes down to the exposition of God's Word before
00:16:51.020 God's people, and that meant studying God's Word with diligence and then standing before
00:16:55.180 a congregation to read and explain the scriptural text.
00:16:59.480 Any God-called preacher can do that.
00:17:02.380 But Al Muller points out that, on the other hand, John MacArthur was uniquely gifted as an
00:17:08.200 expositor, and he was uniquely faithful as well.
00:17:11.860 He says that he loved preachers.
00:17:13.640 He loved being with preachers.
00:17:15.220 He was possessed by a drive to help other preachers.
00:17:18.340 This urgency—I love people who feel urgency, especially for so many years—was transformed
00:17:23.780 into what became the Shepherds' Conference year after year, and they became gathering events
00:17:28.980 for preachers committed to exposition.
00:17:32.060 John MacArthur will be greatly missed and deeply mourned.
00:17:34.960 He demonstrated faithfulness for a long lifetime of honorable ministry, a remarkable gift to Christ's
00:17:41.400 church.
00:17:41.680 His race is now complete, and what a remarkable race it was.
00:17:45.780 But remember this.
00:17:46.860 Pastor John MacArthur would be the first to say that the priority above all other priorities
00:17:52.300 is that the faithful exposition of holy scripture continue until Jesus comes.
00:17:58.140 Soli Deo Gloria.
00:18:00.600 Which, of course, is a Reformation mantra for the glory of God alone.
00:18:06.820 And that is, of course, how John MacArthur spent his life.
00:18:11.220 And I'm trying not to get choked up.
00:18:14.520 It's tough to do.
00:18:15.500 I'm not sad at all for him.
00:18:18.400 I'm sad for the loss for all of us.
00:18:21.300 And it also seems to just represent an end of an era and just a different generation of
00:18:28.180 people, Americans and Christians.
00:18:30.060 And it's hard not to be sad about that, even though we know that to live is Christ and to
00:18:37.920 die is gain, and he's gained so much.
00:18:41.660 There are so many examples of him perfectly summarizing the gospel.
00:18:45.960 And actually, a very beautiful thing happening on X right now is the circulation of John MacArthur
00:18:53.600 clips.
00:18:54.340 Like, I wish I could play all of them.
00:18:55.980 They're amazing, but it just goes to show that even though Satan is rejoicing right now
00:19:01.740 that one of the most effective Bible preachers and gospel sharers of our day is now out of
00:19:09.780 the fight in this regard, that God is going to make sure that he gets the glory.
00:19:16.780 Like, God is going to make sure that he is drawing people to himself.
00:19:20.640 That actually, his followers don't have to be physically alive in order for God to use
00:19:28.520 them.
00:19:28.700 That's amazing.
00:19:29.520 That's who God is.
00:19:31.140 And it makes sense because Jesus defeated death through his resurrection.
00:19:35.380 And so if death can't hold him, then death can't hold the gospel back.
00:19:39.180 And God is going to use people how he wants to use them even after their death.
00:19:43.220 So here is a really good summation of the gospel that he did in an interview with
00:19:48.460 Kurt Cameron in 2004, Sot7.
00:19:51.860 If a person will say, I am nothing in and of myself, I want to throw myself into the arms
00:19:57.600 of God to be changed.
00:19:59.380 What does God offer?
00:20:00.640 Forgiveness.
00:20:02.000 Total forgiveness for all your sin forever.
00:20:06.780 Unconditionally.
00:20:08.220 Provided by Christ.
00:20:09.960 The greatest gospel verse in the Bible, 2 Corinthians 5 21.
00:20:13.340 He made him who knew no sin, sin for us, that we might be made the righteousness of God
00:20:21.060 in him.
00:20:21.920 Let me unpack those 15 Greek words.
00:20:23.900 He, God, made Jesus sin.
00:20:26.980 What do you mean he made Jesus sin?
00:20:28.380 Only in one sense.
00:20:29.620 He treated him as if he had committed every sin ever committed by every person who would
00:20:33.980 ever believe, though in fact he committed none of them.
00:20:37.040 Hanging on the cross, he was holy, harmless, undefiled.
00:20:39.720 Hanging on the cross, he was a spotless lamb.
00:20:41.760 He was never for a split second a sinner.
00:20:43.960 He is holy God on the cross.
00:20:45.600 But God is treating him, I'll put it more practically, as if he lived my life.
00:20:50.980 God punished Jesus for my sin, turns right around and treats me as if I lived his life.
00:20:57.360 That's the great doctrine of substitution.
00:21:00.140 And on that doctrine turned the whole reformation of the church.
00:21:03.220 That is the heart of the gospel.
00:21:04.800 And what you get is complete forgiveness covered by the righteousness of Jesus Christ.
00:21:09.640 When he looks at the cross, he sees you.
00:21:11.720 When he looks at you, he sees Christ.
00:21:14.540 He who knew no sin became sin, that we might become the righteousness of God.
00:21:20.860 I mean, there are so many passages that point to the futility of our efforts to earn God's love.
00:21:28.700 I mean, Ephesians 2 is one of them.
00:21:30.860 The whole book of Galatians, gosh, we see that we can't earn our righteousness,
00:21:35.120 that it's not through any effort.
00:21:38.460 It's not through any sacrament.
00:21:41.060 It is not through any attempt at making ourselves acceptable to God.
00:21:48.340 In fact, we were dead in our sin apart from Christ.
00:21:52.180 Dead people can't make themselves good.
00:21:55.080 Dead people can't make themselves better.
00:21:57.240 You can't shake the stench of death after you've died.
00:22:01.020 And so it is only by a miracle, by the full reconciling efforts of Christ,
00:22:09.020 that we can be saved by his grace through the faith that he himself supplies us.
00:22:16.140 He who knew no sin became sin, so we could become the righteousness of God.
00:22:21.840 That righteousness is only by Christ alone.
00:22:26.160 So here he is on the Sunday special a few years ago with Ben Shapiro.
00:22:31.160 I remember listening to this in 2018 and just thinking,
00:22:35.020 yes, I really encourage you, if you have not watched,
00:22:38.800 or maybe you haven't watched it in a few years,
00:22:41.040 the interview between John MacArthur and Ben Shapiro, please go do that.
00:22:45.420 I mean, it is a masterclass in how to share the gospel with someone so respectfully,
00:22:50.940 but without compromising at all, all of us, myself included,
00:22:53.700 when we're in a debate with someone that we really want to persuade,
00:22:56.940 but also we don't want to offend, it's easy for us to caveat.
00:23:00.240 It's easy for us to pull back a little bit,
00:23:02.320 especially if they kind of get aggressive or they seem offended.
00:23:06.000 And Ben Shapiro doesn't seem offended at all here,
00:23:08.920 but just in other situations, it's really easy for us to kind of just,
00:23:14.520 okay, never mind.
00:23:15.760 I don't want to hurt your feelings.
00:23:17.340 And you can see here how John MacArthur is so gentle
00:23:20.440 and so kind, but so persistent and not backing down at all.
00:23:26.000 And here he is breaking down Isaiah 53,
00:23:31.240 which of course is a prophetic chapter that is prophesying specifically Jesus
00:23:36.960 and the salvation that we, and specifically Israel, can have through Christ.
00:23:43.280 This is the fulfillment of messianic prophecy.
00:23:46.400 And John MacArthur speaking to an Orthodox Jewish man
00:23:50.900 who knows fully the Jewish perspective of Isaiah 53 lays out to him,
00:23:57.180 no, no, no, no.
00:23:58.220 Your Messiah has already come.
00:24:00.620 Here's thought 13.
00:24:01.960 He was bruised for our iniquities.
00:24:04.400 He was chastised for our peace.
00:24:07.040 Whoa, what happened?
00:24:08.660 Zechariah says,
00:24:10.880 The day will come when they look on him whom they have pierced
00:24:13.620 and mourn for him as an only son.
00:24:17.560 Wow, that's what they will say.
00:24:20.340 That's what the Jewish people will say
00:24:22.200 when they look on the one they pierced
00:24:24.620 and mourn for him as an only son.
00:24:25.980 They'll say,
00:24:26.620 We thought he was stricken by God.
00:24:29.600 We thought we were doing the work of God
00:24:31.540 and taking his life because he was a blasphemer.
00:24:34.160 Now we see he was wounded for our transgressions.
00:24:37.740 He was bruised for our iniquities.
00:24:39.880 And then, says Zechariah,
00:24:41.180 A fountain of blessing is open to Israel
00:24:43.100 and a fountain of salvation.
00:24:45.340 And then you have that followed by the kingdom
00:24:47.340 and all the fulfillment of the old covenant.
00:24:50.040 And all of it comes when Israel looks at the Messiah
00:24:54.100 and sees him for who he is.
00:24:55.740 The interesting thing about Isaiah's prophecy of that is
00:24:57.740 he doesn't say it's going to happen.
00:25:00.220 He doesn't use future verbs.
00:25:01.500 He uses past verbs because he's looking past Christ
00:25:04.500 to when the Jews look back on the past,
00:25:07.620 now we see it, now we see it.
00:25:09.880 I just love that so much.
00:25:11.640 And Ben had sweet tributes on Acts 2,
00:25:15.000 Dr. MacArthur just saying and emphasizing
00:25:17.940 what an incredible man he was.
00:25:19.860 And that also speaks to Ben's character,
00:25:22.060 that he is able to hear something
00:25:24.080 that many could perceive as offensive to his faith
00:25:27.040 and his deeply held beliefs
00:25:28.300 and still be able to recognize the impact
00:25:31.100 and the courage that John MacArthur had
00:25:33.700 and recognize that in his death.
00:25:35.540 But it also goes to show
00:25:36.840 that a lot of us are scared for no reason.
00:25:39.260 Like, we are scared to share the gospel
00:25:40.860 and to tell the truth to someone.
00:25:41.900 I'm speaking to myself as well
00:25:43.240 because we're afraid that that person's going to hate us.
00:25:45.860 And while that may be true,
00:25:47.140 and that cost is totally worth it
00:25:49.060 because Jesus said,
00:25:50.240 if the world hates you,
00:25:51.300 it's because they hated me first.
00:25:53.480 But very often, those people will actually,
00:25:56.900 even if they disagree,
00:25:58.320 they might recognize,
00:25:59.460 okay, but I understand where you're coming from
00:26:02.120 or I understand you're trying to love me.
00:26:03.580 Or maybe they won't recognize that then,
00:26:05.080 but maybe they'll recognize it later on.
00:26:07.260 Just remember, we don't judge our obedience
00:26:09.760 by other people's reaction to us.
00:26:12.080 Either way, we judge our obedience
00:26:13.460 by our faithfulness to God's word.
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00:28:27.240 He was on Relatable a couple times.
00:28:30.480 He was on the first time
00:28:32.380 after he defied Gavin Newsom's order
00:28:36.420 to shut down churches,
00:28:38.400 and they basically said no.
00:28:40.940 And, you know, it's interesting
00:28:42.320 because some people who were a part of his ministry,
00:28:45.020 they were talking about their thinking at the time,
00:28:47.440 and I was involved publicly,
00:28:49.540 like, in some of those early conversations
00:28:52.380 about, like, what is the biblical obligation
00:28:55.640 to obey the government.
00:28:57.800 And obviously, in Romans 13
00:28:59.600 and elsewhere in Scripture,
00:29:00.980 we see that we are to submit to the government.
00:29:05.480 However, in the United States,
00:29:08.180 the Constitution is the law of the land,
00:29:10.860 that even our government officials,
00:29:13.420 who are supposed to be our public servants,
00:29:16.580 they are to submit to the Constitution.
00:29:19.020 So if a leader is outside of constitutional bounds,
00:29:24.060 how we have it in our constitutional republic
00:29:26.640 is that it is they who are usurping authority,
00:29:30.060 not those of us who are abiding by the Constitution,
00:29:32.540 which has a First Amendment,
00:29:34.140 the very first one that includes religious liberty,
00:29:36.860 that allows churches to gather
00:29:39.200 without interference from the state,
00:29:41.300 especially for a virus that, yes,
00:29:44.860 had some potential danger for some populations,
00:29:47.440 but really not more than the flu.
00:29:49.660 And even if it had,
00:29:50.580 churches have the freedom to gather as they see fit.
00:29:53.220 So that was the first interview that we had.
00:29:55.680 Loved it so much.
00:29:56.720 Was so honored to be able to talk to him for a little bit.
00:29:59.360 But then he came,
00:30:00.460 and he talked for a whole hour
00:30:02.660 about all different kinds of things,
00:30:05.860 how faith intersects with politics.
00:30:07.920 He wrote a book that was very similar
00:30:09.400 to the sermon series that I referenced earlier
00:30:11.620 about the world's and Satan's attack on children
00:30:14.420 and how we combat that with the truth of God's word.
00:30:17.500 And here he is talking a little bit about that,
00:30:19.700 Sade.
00:30:20.300 The way that you live out your Christianity in a society
00:30:23.720 is by your godly living,
00:30:27.100 your righteous living,
00:30:28.880 upholding truth and the word of God.
00:30:33.800 And how does that coincide with politics?
00:30:36.900 For me, politics gives me an opportunity
00:30:41.380 to stand up for righteousness.
00:30:45.940 The Democrats and the Republicans
00:30:47.780 aren't particularly against each other
00:30:51.160 based on economics.
00:30:53.420 It's morality against immorality.
00:30:56.860 When your agenda is kill babies,
00:31:00.180 mutilate children,
00:31:03.040 advocate homosexual marriage,
00:31:05.900 those are sins of epic proportions
00:31:11.040 that will completely destroy a culture.
00:31:14.060 So if I am in a society
00:31:15.640 where I can take a stand against that,
00:31:19.100 then I have to do that.
00:31:20.840 That's my responsibility before God to do that.
00:31:26.060 Yep.
00:31:26.720 And of course, he's absolutely right.
00:31:28.880 Politics matter because policy matters,
00:31:30.540 because people matter.
00:31:32.800 And for the Christian,
00:31:33.660 these things aren't primarily political.
00:31:35.340 They're primarily biblical.
00:31:37.080 And politics has become theological.
00:31:39.160 It's not that our theology has become political.
00:31:41.660 And John MacArthur,
00:31:42.540 he was not a political activist.
00:31:44.660 I saw someone say he was a culture warrior.
00:31:47.300 Well, I don't know if I would describe him as that,
00:31:50.200 only because,
00:31:52.000 like, by necessity,
00:31:53.420 as a biblical expositor,
00:31:55.240 and he preached God's word
00:31:56.600 against the chaos of the culture,
00:31:57.980 I guess you could label him as that.
00:31:59.520 But really, he was just an expositor
00:32:01.340 who set up for what the word of God said.
00:32:03.380 And when that intersected
00:32:04.720 with where culture was going wrong,
00:32:06.260 he was totally unafraid to say,
00:32:07.760 well, this is what the word of God says.
00:32:09.160 He staked his life on that.
00:32:10.980 And that's an example for all of us.
00:32:13.400 You know, some people don't know
00:32:14.960 that he has actually been a boil
00:32:17.620 on the back of Gavin Newsom
00:32:19.340 for a very long time.
00:32:21.120 Like, before he was battling him,
00:32:25.260 as Gavin Newsom was the governor of California
00:32:27.580 trying to shut churches down,
00:32:29.420 they were duking it out on Larry King Live.
00:32:32.300 Larry King, who, of course,
00:32:33.640 was, I believe, an atheist,
00:32:35.300 had John MacArthur on often
00:32:36.860 to represent the Christian perspective on things.
00:32:39.540 And there was a debate about homosexuality
00:32:41.780 in the early 2000s
00:32:43.080 against Gavin Newsom,
00:32:44.120 who claims to be,
00:32:45.220 you know,
00:32:46.180 an ardent Catholic.
00:32:48.720 And here's what John MacArthur
00:32:50.140 had to say to good old Gavin.
00:32:51.960 Here's Sot9.
00:32:52.920 I'm a practicing Catholic.
00:32:54.440 I got married in the church
00:32:55.500 two plus years.
00:32:56.640 I don't see what we're doing
00:32:58.080 in terms of advancing the bond of love
00:33:00.020 and monogamy
00:33:01.040 and extending that to families,
00:33:03.000 families of same sex,
00:33:04.380 in any way, shape, or form.
00:33:05.580 Takes away anything from the church
00:33:07.100 or the sanctity of the union
00:33:08.720 that my wife and I have.
00:33:09.880 I would just like to ask the mayor
00:33:11.220 as a practicing Catholic,
00:33:12.360 do you believe the Bible
00:33:13.340 is the word of God?
00:33:14.860 Look, Pastor,
00:33:15.460 I'm not going to get in a theological debate with you.
00:33:17.580 No, that's not a theological debate.
00:33:19.220 That's just a straight question.
00:33:20.600 Do you believe the Bible
00:33:21.420 is the authoritative word of God?
00:33:23.280 Yeah, with respect, I guess I do.
00:33:25.980 Now the response.
00:33:26.860 Well, then the Bible says
00:33:27.900 when God created man,
00:33:29.300 he said one man, one woman
00:33:31.060 cleaved together for life.
00:33:33.380 That's a family.
00:33:34.480 Jesus in the New Testament
00:33:35.600 reaffirms that.
00:33:36.860 All the writers of the Old
00:33:38.020 and the New Testament affirm it.
00:33:39.520 Adultery, bestiality, homosexuality
00:33:42.180 was punishable by death
00:33:43.220 according to the Old Testament law
00:33:44.840 because it was so serious
00:33:46.060 in those early years
00:33:47.160 because it literally shattered
00:33:49.080 the hope of civilization.
00:33:50.900 The New Testament offers us,
00:33:52.440 of course, grace.
00:33:53.420 Those sins are sins.
00:33:54.620 They are forgivable.
00:33:55.340 Jesus died to redeem us
00:33:57.100 from those sins.
00:33:57.980 We're all sinners.
00:33:58.860 You don't want to categorize sins.
00:33:59.820 What does the state have to do with it?
00:34:01.000 But the point at this juncture is,
00:34:02.880 well, he's representing the state.
00:34:04.480 He's coming back and saying,
00:34:05.580 I'm a Catholic
00:34:06.240 and I'm a Catholic
00:34:07.720 and somehow this fits
00:34:08.980 into my Catholicism.
00:34:10.120 And I'm saying,
00:34:10.540 well, what's your authority then?
00:34:12.940 Absolutely right.
00:34:14.500 Gavin Newsom,
00:34:15.280 I believe he was maybe
00:34:16.060 the mayor of San Francisco
00:34:17.240 at that point.
00:34:18.140 He wasn't yet
00:34:18.620 the governor of California.
00:34:20.540 And so it's Gavin
00:34:21.380 that brought up theology first.
00:34:22.940 It's Gavin
00:34:23.360 that brought up religion first.
00:34:25.040 And then when
00:34:26.320 when John MacArthur says,
00:34:28.420 OK, let's talk about
00:34:29.440 what your supposed religion says.
00:34:32.060 If the Catholic Church,
00:34:33.120 he is saying,
00:34:33.860 says that the Bible
00:34:34.640 is at least an authority,
00:34:36.400 which it does,
00:34:37.280 then let's talk about
00:34:38.200 what that Bible says.
00:34:39.340 So it's Gavin
00:34:40.080 that brought up
00:34:40.600 his Catholicism
00:34:41.540 as a justification
00:34:42.360 for, you know,
00:34:43.760 saying that he's OK
00:34:44.700 with gay marriage.
00:34:46.200 And then John MacArthur
00:34:47.740 very expertly said,
00:34:48.840 OK, well,
00:34:49.160 we've got a shared authority there.
00:34:50.620 Let's see what the scripture
00:34:51.460 has to say about it.
00:34:52.900 And then that's,
00:34:53.540 you know,
00:34:53.940 oh, my gosh,
00:34:54.740 Gavin Newsom is such a snake.
00:34:56.580 And he was just slithering there.
00:34:58.700 And John MacArthur
00:34:59.500 was completely unimpressed
00:35:01.340 with his sliminess.
00:35:04.340 Here's another
00:35:05.020 before we get back
00:35:05.640 to the Gavin Newsom conversation,
00:35:07.100 which we will.
00:35:09.180 Let me read you
00:35:10.860 or let me show you
00:35:13.060 this other clip
00:35:13.740 from Larry King.
00:35:15.580 And this is he's
00:35:16.600 on a panel in 2005
00:35:17.920 and he's got
00:35:20.160 a bunch of faith leaders there.
00:35:21.680 And the question is,
00:35:22.400 what happens when we die?
00:35:25.000 And Larry King asked,
00:35:26.820 like, would he be afraid
00:35:29.160 to die in a plane crash?
00:35:31.100 And MacArthur says,
00:35:32.460 no, here's why.
00:35:33.760 Saw 10.
00:35:34.680 Going down in an airplane
00:35:35.820 would be a novel way
00:35:37.500 for me to go
00:35:38.100 immediately to heaven.
00:35:39.260 And my Bible says,
00:35:40.640 absent from the body
00:35:41.360 present with the Lord,
00:35:42.420 far better to depart
00:35:43.520 and be with Christ.
00:35:44.560 This is my hope.
00:35:45.480 I have no fear
00:35:46.560 of dying itself.
00:35:47.740 I have no fear of death.
00:35:48.860 It was five years ago
00:35:50.080 that I was near death
00:35:51.140 in the critical care unit
00:35:52.160 with blood clots
00:35:52.860 all over both lungs.
00:35:54.280 And the truth of the matter is,
00:35:56.260 eight days later
00:35:57.020 when I came out,
00:35:58.260 I had a disappointment
00:36:00.100 because I felt like
00:36:01.560 I was ready to see my Lord
00:36:03.600 and I was ready
00:36:04.460 to enter into all
00:36:05.560 that God has prepared
00:36:06.360 for them that love Him.
00:36:07.860 And not that I don't love
00:36:09.360 my wife, my kids
00:36:10.280 and enjoy the riches.
00:36:11.800 I was made for social life.
00:36:13.420 I was made for relationships.
00:36:14.760 And that's why
00:36:15.580 I hang on here
00:36:16.440 and I was made
00:36:17.340 to be used by God
00:36:18.300 and I want to serve Him
00:36:19.060 as long as He wants me here.
00:36:20.500 But I'm ready to go to heaven
00:36:21.940 whenever He sends the word.
00:36:24.220 I love that confidence so much.
00:36:26.220 I mean, that is the verse
00:36:27.880 that actually I quoted
00:36:29.980 and paraphrased
00:36:30.900 that he's paraphrasing there
00:36:32.080 just a few minutes ago.
00:36:33.680 To live is Christ
00:36:34.840 and to die is gain.
00:36:37.000 And he was confident in that.
00:36:38.140 And may we all have
00:36:39.060 that confidence
00:36:39.660 and be ready to give
00:36:40.560 that kind of answer
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00:38:05.960 Back to Gavin Newsom.
00:38:08.160 As I said,
00:38:10.580 he was really,
00:38:11.500 John MacArthur
00:38:11.940 was really a thorn
00:38:12.800 in Gavin Newsom's side
00:38:13.980 for a long time.
00:38:15.640 And then when we fast forward
00:38:17.000 to COVID,
00:38:17.960 when Governor Newsom
00:38:19.540 was the governor
00:38:20.520 of California
00:38:21.360 and not just like
00:38:22.840 a slimy,
00:38:23.660 ambitious local politician
00:38:25.500 trying to go on the news
00:38:27.340 and defend homosexuality,
00:38:29.560 he was trying
00:38:30.480 to close down churches.
00:38:33.200 Grace Community Church,
00:38:34.940 after Gavin Newsom
00:38:35.980 said,
00:38:36.200 no church services,
00:38:37.240 but you can go
00:38:37.780 to strip clubs
00:38:38.540 and you can go get weed
00:38:39.740 and all of that,
00:38:40.660 Grace Community Church
00:38:41.520 resumed indoor worship
00:38:42.520 in July of 2020.
00:38:44.820 L.A. County
00:38:45.500 sought a court injunction
00:38:46.540 to enforce the ban
00:38:47.680 threatening fines
00:38:48.540 in jail time,
00:38:49.440 but the church,
00:38:50.340 they could have stood down.
00:38:51.980 A lot of people
00:38:52.560 told them to,
00:38:53.460 Andy Stanley at the time,
00:38:55.140 even Tim Keller
00:38:55.880 at the time,
00:38:57.040 they were criticizing
00:38:58.080 without naming
00:38:59.320 John MacArthur
00:39:00.040 in many cases
00:39:01.120 as, you know,
00:39:02.700 fighting against
00:39:03.680 the safety
00:39:04.960 and protection
00:39:05.640 of people.
00:39:06.420 Andy Stanley said,
00:39:07.420 and I believe
00:39:07.940 it was a convocation
00:39:08.900 to Liberty University,
00:39:10.700 that the Bible
00:39:11.720 doesn't actually call
00:39:12.980 us to meet together
00:39:15.700 bodily as a local church,
00:39:16.860 which of course
00:39:17.540 is simply not true.
00:39:19.580 A lot of people
00:39:20.220 criticize John MacArthur
00:39:21.440 and his church
00:39:22.080 for this courage,
00:39:23.080 but here's why he did it.
00:39:24.740 Here's Psalm 11.
00:39:25.780 You know that
00:39:26.660 the Word of God
00:39:27.400 commands you to worship,
00:39:29.320 to come together,
00:39:30.160 to not forsake
00:39:30.880 the assembling
00:39:31.380 of yourselves together
00:39:32.280 as a manner of some is.
00:39:33.260 Come together
00:39:33.740 to stimulate one another
00:39:35.240 to love and good works.
00:39:37.280 You know,
00:39:37.620 in the book of 1 Corinthians,
00:39:39.140 when the Apostle Paul
00:39:40.240 is writing to the church
00:39:41.120 and talking about
00:39:41.680 the Lord's table,
00:39:43.100 in that chapter,
00:39:44.200 over and over,
00:39:45.200 it says,
00:39:45.600 when you come together,
00:39:46.420 when you come together,
00:39:47.280 when you come together,
00:39:48.140 when you come together,
00:39:48.840 this is the church.
00:39:50.360 The church
00:39:50.840 isn't a video experience.
00:39:52.600 The church is life on life,
00:39:54.760 and you need to be the church.
00:39:57.720 You also need
00:39:58.660 not only to follow
00:39:59.420 the Word of God,
00:40:00.240 but also realize
00:40:01.140 Christ is the head
00:40:01.800 of the church,
00:40:02.220 not any political entity,
00:40:04.640 not any government agency,
00:40:05.980 and not any person in power.
00:40:08.180 Christ is the head
00:40:09.020 of the church.
00:40:10.180 Give glory to Him
00:40:11.060 by being the church.
00:40:12.640 And then you need
00:40:13.440 to understand
00:40:13.940 that you don't really
00:40:15.080 have anything to fear
00:40:16.440 in terms of the threat
00:40:18.300 of this virus,
00:40:19.860 because the statistics
00:40:21.280 are just so minuscule.
00:40:23.580 I mean,
00:40:26.180 just so brave
00:40:27.060 and so clear.
00:40:28.700 You can also just,
00:40:29.640 you can see a difference,
00:40:31.480 a big difference in him
00:40:33.640 just physically
00:40:34.480 from that 2020 clip
00:40:36.340 to the clip that I played,
00:40:38.340 which was from 2024.
00:40:40.240 And you can just see,
00:40:41.140 like,
00:40:41.460 he was just ready
00:40:43.020 to meet his Savior,
00:40:44.340 although the sharpness
00:40:45.680 of his mind
00:40:46.380 and his passion
00:40:47.260 never faded.
00:40:48.420 On September 2nd, 2021,
00:40:50.580 the county and state
00:40:51.320 settled,
00:40:51.960 paying the church
00:40:52.760 $800,000 for illegal fees,
00:40:55.400 resolving the case
00:40:56.260 without the church
00:40:57.220 admitting fault.
00:40:59.600 Praise God.
00:41:00.280 I mean,
00:41:00.520 what a precedent to set
00:41:02.320 on the front lines
00:41:03.180 of that battle
00:41:03.760 when too many pastors
00:41:04.920 were scared.
00:41:06.400 That, of course,
00:41:07.460 was not his last battle,
00:41:09.740 however,
00:41:10.260 with Gavin Newsom.
00:41:12.240 I mean,
00:41:12.520 no one called out
00:41:14.720 and I think just showed
00:41:16.880 by contrast
00:41:18.040 the evil and stupidity
00:41:19.680 of Gavin Newsom
00:41:21.120 as, you know,
00:41:22.780 effectively and persuasively
00:41:24.480 as John MacArthur did,
00:41:25.800 but also I doubt
00:41:27.280 that anyone has prayed
00:41:29.020 for Gavin Newsom's repentance
00:41:31.980 as genuinely
00:41:33.360 and persistently
00:41:35.360 as John MacArthur has.
00:41:37.880 And so I'll get into
00:41:39.120 this last story
00:41:40.420 in just a second.
00:41:41.480 I do have to pause.
00:41:42.960 We've got five ads today
00:41:44.440 since we went down
00:41:45.300 to three episodes.
00:41:46.620 We've got five ads
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00:41:49.580 I have to put them
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00:41:51.280 So let me go ahead
00:41:52.260 and pause until we get
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00:42:56.620 In September 2022,
00:42:58.440 I wrote an article about this
00:42:59.980 in World Magazine at the time.
00:43:02.180 MacArthur wrote an open letter
00:43:04.100 and delivered this sermon as well
00:43:06.440 that criticized California Governor
00:43:10.720 Gavin Newsom
00:43:11.680 for a billboard campaign
00:43:13.060 in California promoting abortion.
00:43:15.840 And it actually wasn't just
00:43:18.480 in California.
00:43:19.420 It was throughout the country.
00:43:21.660 And the billboard said,
00:43:22.980 need an abortion.
00:43:24.200 California is ready to help.
00:43:26.500 Learn more at abortion.ca.gov.
00:43:29.440 And here's the kicker.
00:43:30.900 At the bottom,
00:43:31.540 you can see,
00:43:32.600 love your neighbor as yourself.
00:43:34.740 There is no greater commandment
00:43:36.760 than these.
00:43:37.860 Mark 12, 21.
00:43:39.660 So using the words of God
00:43:41.400 to try to convince women
00:43:42.680 from other states
00:43:43.680 where Roe v. Wade
00:43:45.520 or the overturning of Roe v. Wade,
00:43:47.000 the Dobbs decision
00:43:47.780 had triggered these laws
00:43:49.600 or allowed laws
00:43:50.400 to be put in place
00:43:51.500 to heavily restrict abortion.
00:43:54.000 And so Gavin Newsom
00:43:55.480 tried to use the Bible
00:43:57.040 to advertise California
00:43:59.600 as a sanctuary state
00:44:01.480 for a child sacrifice
00:44:03.600 as the destination
00:44:05.540 for those who are seeking
00:44:07.320 to brutally murder their babies.
00:44:09.860 And so John MacArthur
00:44:13.440 wrote a letter,
00:44:15.260 delivered a sermon
00:44:16.580 that was an earnest call
00:44:19.060 for Gavin Newsom
00:44:20.200 to repent of his evil.
00:44:23.180 MacArthur also accused
00:44:24.560 in this sermon
00:44:25.340 and in this letter
00:44:26.360 of news,
00:44:27.580 accused Newsom's policies
00:44:29.380 of causing crime,
00:44:30.560 homelessness,
00:44:31.040 and moral decline,
00:44:32.580 called out his support
00:44:33.500 of homosexuality,
00:44:34.600 transgenderism.
00:44:35.720 And most importantly,
00:44:37.220 MacArthur warned
00:44:37.860 that Newsom's soul
00:44:39.760 was in eternal peril
00:44:41.960 and urged him
00:44:42.840 to repent and follow Christ.
00:44:44.400 He said Newsom's leadership
00:44:45.540 went against biblical values
00:44:47.080 by promoting evil
00:44:49.320 instead of good.
00:44:51.460 He said,
00:44:52.100 in mid-September,
00:44:53.080 you revealed to the entire nation
00:44:54.480 how thoroughly rebellious
00:44:55.860 against God you are
00:44:57.160 when you sponsored billboards
00:44:58.920 across America
00:44:59.700 promoting the slaughter
00:45:00.860 of children
00:45:01.520 whom he creates
00:45:02.980 in the womb.
00:45:04.180 And then he said,
00:45:04.700 you further compounded
00:45:05.800 the wickedness
00:45:06.440 of that murderous campaign
00:45:07.700 by showing
00:45:09.680 a reprehensible act
00:45:11.680 of gross blasphemy
00:45:13.300 quoting the Bible.
00:45:15.900 He said,
00:45:16.320 you chose words
00:45:16.960 from the lips of Jesus
00:45:17.880 without admitting
00:45:18.700 that in that same moment
00:45:20.280 he gave the greatest command,
00:45:21.460 you shall love
00:45:22.060 the Lord your God
00:45:22.960 with all of your heart,
00:45:24.720 mind, soul, and strength.
00:45:26.020 He says,
00:45:26.520 you can't love
00:45:27.740 the Lord your God
00:45:28.580 and promote murder.
00:45:29.820 And so here's
00:45:30.640 where he gets to the point
00:45:32.260 and I believe
00:45:32.920 that John MacArthur
00:45:33.720 really believed this,
00:45:35.600 that it grieved him
00:45:36.880 that Governor Gavin Newsom
00:45:38.240 right now
00:45:39.140 as it stands
00:45:39.880 is headed straight to hell.
00:45:42.120 My concern,
00:45:43.260 Governor Newsom,
00:45:44.140 John MacArthur writes,
00:45:45.400 is that your own soul
00:45:46.580 lies in grave eternal peril.
00:45:49.000 Each one of us
00:45:49.800 will give an account
00:45:50.720 of himself to God
00:45:52.280 one day,
00:45:53.480 not very long from now,
00:45:55.260 you will face that reality.
00:45:57.000 Nothing is more certain.
00:45:59.120 You will stand
00:45:59.680 in the presence
00:46:00.160 of the Holy God
00:46:00.980 who created you,
00:46:01.880 who is your judge,
00:46:03.040 and he will demand
00:46:04.260 that you give an account
00:46:05.560 for how you have flouted
00:46:06.900 his authority
00:46:07.460 in your governing
00:46:08.180 and how you have twisted
00:46:09.700 his own holy word
00:46:10.780 to rationalize it.
00:46:12.500 As you look over
00:46:13.440 the precipice of eternity,
00:46:15.120 what will your answer be
00:46:16.580 when you look ahead of you
00:46:18.160 and see that nothing awaits you
00:46:19.840 but eternal misery,
00:46:21.180 the just punishment
00:46:22.160 for your sins?
00:46:23.360 What will all
00:46:24.000 the clever rationalizations
00:46:25.520 and political talking points
00:46:27.140 avail for you then?
00:46:29.260 And by then,
00:46:29.880 it will be too late
00:46:31.040 for any remedy
00:46:32.740 or redemption.
00:46:34.720 My plea to you,
00:46:36.260 Sir,
00:46:36.760 John MacArthur writes,
00:46:37.780 is that you would not
00:46:39.000 let it come to that,
00:46:40.140 that you would not go
00:46:41.360 to that day of judgment
00:46:42.660 apart from receiving
00:46:43.760 forgiveness
00:46:44.300 and righteousness
00:46:45.200 through faith
00:46:46.600 in Christ alone.
00:46:48.760 Our church
00:46:49.620 and countless Christians
00:46:50.720 nationwide
00:46:51.300 are praying
00:46:51.960 for your full repentance.
00:46:53.600 Please respond
00:46:54.220 to the gospel.
00:46:55.040 Forsake the path
00:46:55.740 of wickedness
00:46:56.320 you have pursued
00:46:56.820 all of your life.
00:46:58.120 Turn to Christ.
00:46:58.740 ask for forgiveness
00:47:00.380 and use your office
00:47:01.400 to advance the cause
00:47:02.480 of righteousness
00:47:03.180 as is your duty
00:47:04.380 instead of undermining it
00:47:06.760 as has been your pattern.
00:47:08.360 I love the parenthetical
00:47:11.740 clarification there.
00:47:14.280 So good.
00:47:15.540 All right.
00:47:16.300 We've got one more clip
00:47:18.060 of John MacArthur
00:47:18.960 before we close this out.
00:47:20.980 It's thought 12.
00:47:22.420 Governor Gavin Newsom,
00:47:24.120 who has decided
00:47:26.380 that he is going
00:47:27.880 to lead the nation
00:47:28.920 in providing
00:47:29.580 the slaughter
00:47:30.920 of the children
00:47:32.680 that God creates
00:47:33.620 in the womb,
00:47:36.220 has postured himself
00:47:37.920 as if he were Herod.
00:47:42.260 And I am deeply concerned
00:47:44.200 for the jeopardy
00:47:44.920 of his eternal soul.
00:47:46.960 He had the terrifying audacity
00:47:50.500 to use the words
00:47:52.320 of Jesus
00:47:52.820 to support
00:47:53.460 the slaughter
00:47:54.060 of the ones
00:47:55.460 that he creates
00:47:56.280 in the womb.
00:47:59.600 The jeopardy
00:48:00.520 of his soul
00:48:01.220 is evident.
00:48:04.020 I say this
00:48:05.200 because my heart
00:48:07.860 is grieved
00:48:08.680 that Christ
00:48:09.180 should be so dishonored.
00:48:12.260 Hmm.
00:48:14.240 Let's all join
00:48:15.580 the prayers
00:48:16.100 for Gavin Newsom's
00:48:17.360 repentance,
00:48:17.960 for all of our nation's
00:48:19.520 leaders' repentance,
00:48:20.740 that they would come
00:48:21.880 to Christ,
00:48:22.800 that they would know
00:48:23.640 the true gospel,
00:48:25.380 and that they would
00:48:25.980 pursue righteousness.
00:48:27.740 And may we see
00:48:28.700 the fruit
00:48:29.440 of John MacArthur's
00:48:31.460 efforts
00:48:31.860 and his prayers
00:48:33.260 in our lifetimes
00:48:34.580 because God
00:48:35.420 can do that.
00:48:36.820 All right,
00:48:37.240 we'll close out
00:48:37.860 with a final message
00:48:38.700 in just a second.
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00:49:31.940 You know,
00:49:38.280 there's a line
00:49:38.980 that I've used
00:49:40.660 many times
00:49:41.840 in my speeches now,
00:49:43.220 and it's a line
00:49:43.940 that came to me
00:49:45.560 when I was speaking
00:49:46.960 in Sacramento
00:49:48.160 several years ago
00:49:49.600 for a pro-life organization,
00:49:53.760 and it is still true today.
00:49:56.660 And, I mean,
00:49:57.520 California brings forth
00:49:59.000 many wicked politicians,
00:50:00.800 and I think it's easy
00:50:02.100 to get discouraged by that,
00:50:03.680 especially if you live
00:50:04.580 in the state,
00:50:05.200 but here's the truth.
00:50:06.920 From Nero to Newsom,
00:50:09.160 from Herod to Harris,
00:50:11.160 Jesus Christ reigns,
00:50:12.880 and the gates of hell
00:50:14.060 will never prevail
00:50:15.340 against the church.
00:50:17.320 And while in this lifetime,
00:50:20.020 or in his lifetime,
00:50:21.280 he didn't see
00:50:21.940 Gavin Newsom repent,
00:50:23.360 the truth is
00:50:24.120 is that
00:50:24.440 God's eternal plan
00:50:26.080 of redemption
00:50:26.540 is always going off
00:50:28.140 without a hitch,
00:50:28.860 and it will not be
00:50:30.120 until we go to glory
00:50:32.220 or until Christ returns
00:50:34.060 that we see
00:50:34.620 the fullness
00:50:35.160 of the tapestry
00:50:36.440 of people's testimonies
00:50:38.300 and how God used
00:50:40.020 every single bit
00:50:41.840 of faithfulness
00:50:43.020 of his saints,
00:50:44.640 every single bit
00:50:45.800 of unseen
00:50:46.780 and unsung,
00:50:48.760 obedient work
00:50:50.200 to bring people
00:50:51.360 to himself
00:50:52.540 and to advance
00:50:54.400 his kingdom
00:50:55.040 here on earth,
00:50:56.040 and God is faithful
00:50:57.180 to do it.
00:50:59.180 And the truth is
00:51:00.100 is that
00:51:00.340 he is coming back
00:51:01.420 one day
00:51:01.940 and there will be
00:51:02.900 no more death,
00:51:04.120 there will be
00:51:04.540 no more sin,
00:51:05.760 there will be
00:51:06.340 no more sorrow
00:51:07.340 or sadness
00:51:08.080 or corrupt leaders,
00:51:09.440 there will be
00:51:09.840 no more politics
00:51:11.240 because Jesus
00:51:13.000 will rule
00:51:13.700 in perfect peace
00:51:14.700 forever and ever.
00:51:15.840 So we operate,
00:51:17.820 we even mourn
00:51:19.000 as people
00:51:19.460 who have hope,
00:51:20.700 who live victoriously,
00:51:22.100 who are looking
00:51:23.260 forward to that day,
00:51:24.920 who live joyously,
00:51:26.120 not because of
00:51:26.900 our circumstances
00:51:27.800 here,
00:51:28.640 but because we know
00:51:29.980 Jesus is returning
00:51:31.080 and because we know
00:51:32.960 that as Christians,
00:51:34.200 only because of what
00:51:35.380 Jesus has done for us
00:51:36.700 that one day we too
00:51:37.900 will get to hear,
00:51:39.140 well done,
00:51:39.960 my good and faithful servant.
00:51:42.320 And I just want you
00:51:43.140 to know that,
00:51:44.600 that you are not
00:51:45.620 too far off,
00:51:46.840 you are not
00:51:47.660 too far gone,
00:51:48.680 you haven't done
00:51:49.560 too much,
00:51:50.720 you haven't done
00:51:51.460 too little
00:51:52.480 to be saved
00:51:53.720 and to be
00:51:54.820 completely forgiven
00:51:55.900 of every single
00:51:57.220 big or small
00:51:58.760 sin
00:51:59.660 that you have
00:52:00.780 ever committed
00:52:01.520 that you can be
00:52:02.380 reconciled to God
00:52:03.600 because right now
00:52:04.380 if you don't believe
00:52:05.760 in Christ as your Savior,
00:52:06.800 you're actually an enemy
00:52:07.780 of the Holy God
00:52:09.080 because you,
00:52:09.740 like everyone else
00:52:10.480 except for Jesus,
00:52:11.320 is imperfect
00:52:12.100 and so you have
00:52:13.140 to be reconciled to Him,
00:52:14.360 you have to be
00:52:14.860 made friends with Him
00:52:15.860 and the only way
00:52:17.040 that you can be
00:52:17.680 made friends with God
00:52:18.740 forever and ever
00:52:19.980 is not through
00:52:20.460 your own efforts,
00:52:22.040 not by your church
00:52:23.000 attendance,
00:52:23.580 not by being as good
00:52:24.880 as you possibly can,
00:52:26.620 not by trying to avoid
00:52:27.760 the really bad stuff
00:52:29.340 as much as you possibly can,
00:52:30.980 but by placing your faith
00:52:32.400 in Jesus
00:52:32.860 for the forgiveness
00:52:33.580 of sins.
00:52:35.240 And He'll do it all
00:52:36.080 for you
00:52:36.500 because when Jesus
00:52:37.680 hung on the cross,
00:52:38.500 He said,
00:52:38.880 it is finished.
00:52:40.460 And before He actually
00:52:41.620 died,
00:52:41.940 the thief on the cross
00:52:43.140 believed in Him,
00:52:44.940 believed in Jesus' power
00:52:46.700 and Jesus promised Him,
00:52:48.720 today you will be
00:52:50.500 with me in paradise.
00:52:52.260 Now that thief
00:52:52.860 hadn't been baptized,
00:52:54.380 that thief hadn't done
00:52:55.480 any good thing,
00:52:56.840 that thief hadn't
00:52:57.780 earned his salvation,
00:52:58.860 it was only because
00:53:00.320 by grace,
00:53:01.400 through faith in Jesus,
00:53:03.200 that that thief was saved,
00:53:04.540 that any of us
00:53:05.420 can be saved.
00:53:07.200 If you don't have a Bible,
00:53:08.480 I encourage you
00:53:09.260 to get a John MacArthur
00:53:11.060 study Bible
00:53:11.800 or get my favorite,
00:53:12.980 my ESV study Bible.
00:53:15.140 I encourage you to go
00:53:16.280 to your local
00:53:17.060 Bible preaching
00:53:18.240 church that believes
00:53:20.020 in the Bible
00:53:20.640 as the authority
00:53:21.480 to ask questions,
00:53:22.700 to get plugged in
00:53:23.660 and to know this God
00:53:24.740 who created you,
00:53:25.760 who loves you,
00:53:26.800 who wants relationship
00:53:27.580 with you,
00:53:28.820 who wants to save you
00:53:29.780 from your sins
00:53:30.680 and spend forever
00:53:31.500 in heaven with you.
00:53:32.800 All right,
00:53:33.220 that's all we've got
00:53:33.880 time for today.
00:53:34.980 We actually had a plan
00:53:36.140 for a whole other thing
00:53:38.020 to talk about
00:53:38.580 and I was at most
00:53:39.940 going to make this
00:53:40.660 half of my episode,
00:53:41.900 but, you know,
00:53:43.540 the gospel is always worth it
00:53:44.980 and the gospel
00:53:45.520 was so exemplified
00:53:46.460 in his life.
00:53:47.180 So by paying
00:53:47.860 homage to him,
00:53:49.660 by honoring
00:53:50.360 John MacArthur,
00:53:51.280 we got to talk
00:53:52.520 about the most
00:53:53.440 important message
00:53:54.020 in the world
00:53:54.440 and that is
00:53:54.900 the good news
00:53:55.500 of Jesus Christ.
00:53:56.800 So we will be back
00:53:57.900 here on Friday.
00:53:58.540 Doug asks God
00:54:10.480 to the both
00:54:18.480 and Isaac
00:54:18.940 to the one
00:54:19.360 and a mother
00:54:19.600 and Isaac
00:54:20.980 to the one
00:54:21.000 and Isaac
00:54:22.180 to the one
00:54:23.220 and Isaac
00:54:24.080 to the wolf
00:54:24.640 and Isaac
00:54:25.100 and Isaac
00:54:25.220 to the one
00:54:25.760 and the two
00:54:26.720 and Isaac
00:54:26.960 next day.