Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1245 ｜ Witches Cast a Spell on Charlie Kirk. Can Christians Be Cursed？

00:00:00.000 jezebel hired witches to cast curses against charlie kirk days before he was assassinated

00:00:07.940 what does the bible say about the ability of christians to be cursed i've got some

00:00:14.000 encouragement for you on that today also the rapture was supposed to happen yesterday but

00:00:17.940 surprise it did not so how should we be thinking about that in times what does the bible say for

00:00:23.820 what we should expect and how to prepare ourselves and i've also got some strong words against those

00:00:29.640 who are trying to distract us from revival who are demonizing what happened at charlie's memorial as

00:00:34.720 some kind of evil theocracy i've got a response to that we've also got a lot more on today's episode

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00:01:04.740 hey guys welcome to relatable happy wednesday hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far well it's

00:01:20.100 been a bit of a whirlwind week i had the absolute joy and honor of co-hosting charlie kirk's podcast

00:01:26.640 yesterday and andrew his best friend right hand man and i just got to remember our friend and honor

00:01:33.960 our friend and again i will say what i said yesterday a lot of people have said to me over the past

00:01:39.760 couple weeks gosh i didn't know that charlie was such a strong christian i didn't know that he talked

00:01:44.680 about the bible so much i didn't know that he cared so much about theology and apologetics and

00:01:50.160 i have been able to say over and over again i did i did know that i got a front row seat to that

00:01:58.000 multiple times got to share a stage and a microphone with him multiple times over the past few years to

00:02:03.820 defend the faith and he would call out the weak pastors and i'm just so thankful and realizing now

00:02:10.940 what a special privilege it was to get to know that and to see that up front and i am one of the

00:02:18.360 people that is picking up the mic of charlie kirk by joining turning point on their campus tour this

00:02:25.740 fall i will be at louisiana state university with governor jeff landry on october 27th and we are going

00:02:34.140 to be there to tell the truth and to take questions and to have a respectful back and forth

00:02:40.420 and uh i'm honored yet again and something that i've realized over the past couple of weeks is i've

00:02:47.700 been asked to do various things that you know charlie was doing before and many many of us have been

00:02:53.360 asked to fill in for different things speaking engagements that charlie was booked for now i'm

00:02:58.680 speaking for other people are speaking for so many people filling in on charlie's podcast i guest

00:03:04.680 hosted his tbn show that he was doing on a daily basis and it's just hit me how many people are

00:03:11.420 required to fill in for the work that just one man was doing and my husband and i were talking the

00:03:18.480 other day just listening to all the people at the memorial talking about how busy he was how he was

00:03:23.120 constantly working and i'm like well yes because god knew that he was going to call him home at 31 years

00:03:29.340 old so he knew for those 13 years that he had to be on top of it that he had to fill in that he had to

00:03:38.800 put in as much work and as much urgency as humanly possible in those 13 years so he could get all the

00:03:47.280 things done that god wanted him to get done most of us can stretch that out over the span of decades

00:03:52.900 but for him he had to do that concentrated work in a short amount of time and it's just a good

00:03:58.320 reminder for all of us that god is totally sovereign over our lives every single bit of it and when it

00:04:04.200 looks like he's just doing one thing he's actually doing a million things things that we cannot see

00:04:09.540 and another beautiful part that i've known and have been reminded of several times throughout my life

00:04:16.460 but especially over the past couple weeks is how god uses the various people in the body of christ to

00:04:22.900 not just glorify himself not just advance the gospel to those who don't believe but also just to

00:04:30.800 encourage one another to build up the body of christ he uses all of our different capacities and

00:04:37.120 connections to do that and a beautiful example of that was andrew's testimony that he told yesterday i

00:04:46.120 also heard him talk about it in another interview and i had no idea that actually this whole exchange

00:04:53.280 had this um had this effect and instead of explaining it i'm just gonna play you this clip it's satin

00:05:00.140 ali you sent me this this song it was the saturday after it happened and i was holding on to all these

00:05:09.980 things that i thought my life was going to be before charlie was killed yeah all the plans that we had

00:05:15.140 around the show it was a lot where i was gonna live how i was gonna live what my what my family's

00:05:22.580 future was gonna look like and i was afraid for what all this would be and i listened to that song

00:05:29.600 i had like an ugly cry i'm not afraid to admit it and i could feel myself letting go and dying to

00:05:35.560 myself in that moment and saying yes lord yes matthew west who i hadn't talked to in a while he texted me

00:05:41.660 that song he was like i wrote this demo after charlie died and i don't know why because i don't

00:05:46.060 even know if we had really spoken except for maybe exchanged a couple texts and i was just like

00:05:50.360 i was sitting and i was like i'm gonna text this to andrew i i don't know i just feel like i need to

00:05:55.580 text it to andrew and so immediately i just texted it to you and obviously that was the holy spirit

00:06:00.520 wasn't me wasn't even matthew it was god working he knew yeah it was he needed to do you know i yeah i

00:06:06.560 mean i'd love to release that song i don't know if he's released it publicly but it was yeah it was

00:06:11.040 beautiful and i actually sent it to erica and she she i mean i don't think she would mind saying

00:06:16.480 because i mean it was saturday it had happened on wednesday uh you know if you you touched us

00:06:21.680 wrong on the arm we're like we just start crying about you know so um but you know she texted back just

00:06:28.360 like crying emojis and she was just like this is so beautiful so it meant a lot in the moment

00:06:33.820 so for a little bit more context on that saturday morning after charlie had been assassinated

00:06:41.800 i got a text from matthew west and matthew sent me this file an audio file that was a demo of this

00:06:50.740 song that he wrote and you can see it i shared it on uh instagram of course you know after he had

00:06:58.520 made it public and so you can go watch that video that i posted and listen to it it really is

00:07:05.040 so special i mean the lyrics are just incredible and you can see it on matthew west page in its

00:07:10.600 entirety as well but what i love about that is seeing how god prompted matthew west to use his

00:07:18.400 talents to write that song to put pen to paper and then prompted him for whatever reason to text that song

00:07:26.180 to me and then immediately i hadn't even had a back and forth with andrew yet since charlie had

00:07:32.160 been assassinated i had sent a text and saying that i'm praying for them but we hadn't had a conversation

00:07:36.940 and so matthew s sent me that i was prompted to send that to andrew immediately and the lord used that

00:07:44.380 to bring him to his knees to let him let go of all the things that he was holding so tightly to

00:07:51.100 and prompted andrew to then send that to erica and that is just what god does and how sweet is that

00:07:57.560 and i can tell you a dozen other examples of that just in my own life over the past two weeks of god

00:08:03.880 using various people from all over in the body of christ to give courage and to give edification

00:08:11.380 and to provide everything that needs to be provided for every believer in their own places in their roles

00:08:19.680 at this moment god is doing something and gosh god is so gracious and god is so good and i'm just so

00:08:25.800 thankful for how he is working in all of these ways and so i just want to encourage you before we get

00:08:30.980 into some a couple other things about yesterday's episode to pray pray for the body of christ and

00:08:39.280 every single person no matter what your role is no matter what your realm is has a role to play

00:08:45.120 and this unique moment and this unique i'm hoping moment of revival and great awakening everyone has

00:08:53.960 their role to play everyone is called in some way to take risks for the gospel everyone is called in

00:08:59.880 some way to be bold for the gospel that does not require a microphone as i've always said you do not

00:09:04.940 have to be an influencer to have influence whether you are a stay-at-home mom and you've got your five

00:09:10.820 friends that you talk to on an everyday basis you've got a job there you've got an important

00:09:15.980 role to play all of us moms have a vital role to play in discipling of course the next generation

00:09:21.420 but even in addition to that how we infuse light into our communities should be absolutely relentless

00:09:28.500 should be absolutely unapologetic yes gentle kind persuasive all of those things but whether or not

00:09:35.280 you have a platform whether or not you've got an audience of 5 000 god can use you he will use you

00:09:42.280 to multiply his kingdom that is what he is up to right now every single one of us has a role to play

00:09:47.580 so pray for that in your own life pray for the body of christ pray for your pastors pray for the evangelist

00:09:54.320 pray for the teachers i have seen a variety of people who are out on the front lines of evangelism

00:10:00.140 and apologetics be hindered right now we've got christopher yuan who is a dear brother in christ

00:10:07.840 who has just suffered a tragic fall and is in the hospital and is going to be hindered for a while

00:10:13.220 right now from his ministry pray for him i've seen jonathan pakluda he's another pastor in waco texas who is

00:10:19.980 an incredible evangelist who is in the hospital with a mysterious illness pray for him i'm sure you've

00:10:25.640 maybe seen this in your own life so pray for those in particular who are out in public right now they

00:10:31.440 don't matter more they're not more important to god they're not more important to the work of ministry

00:10:36.780 but they do seem to be in satan's crosshairs and ephesians 6 reminds us we are not primarily fighting

00:10:43.200 against flesh and blood we are fighting against the prince of the power of the air as ephesians 2

00:10:47.840 describes him the present powers of darkness the principalities that are at work in the spiritual world

00:10:54.720 like that is absolutely happening that is true but those things manifest themselves sometimes

00:11:00.540 in physical ways that does not negate god's sovereignty at all we'll talk more about that

00:11:05.580 today but be praying be praying as fervently as you can james 5 reminds us that the prayer of a

00:11:12.500 righteous person has great power as it is working and while god is totally sovereign he has sovereignly

00:11:18.500 chosen to use prayer and evangelism as a means by which we are supposed to

00:11:23.240 win people to christ and also to build up the body of christ through prayer we can through the power

00:11:30.060 of christ help heal people through prayer if that is god's will will we can strengthen people through

00:11:35.640 prayer we can protect people through prayer if that is god's will he has chosen those things as a means

00:11:41.940 by which to accomplish his perfect will so let us be a part of that willingly and let us lay ourselves

00:11:48.960 down for the cause of christ this is a special moment and christians through the power of the

00:11:54.860 holy spirit can meet this moment so let's do it together all right i've got more encouragement for

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00:14:42.740 so we had the incredible opportunity yesterday of not only um co-hosting charlie kirk's show but

00:14:54.960 we as a team also got to um pick what we talked about we got to create the outline and we got to

00:15:01.600 choose our guests and truly i felt the holy spirit in all of that and the planning and the preparation

00:15:07.760 and the guests that we got on and the messages that were conveyed there it was so obvious to me that not

00:15:13.920 only were the the exact right people to come on the show yesterday but also the ordering of them like

00:15:19.700 that was out of my control i actually if it had just been up to me i would have kind of rearranged

00:15:25.260 uh the order of the guests because of an idea that i had in my mind of how things should go but then

00:15:30.220 looking back i'm like thank you lord for knowing what you were doing and the exact order of the

00:15:35.180 messages that needed to be conveyed i put out an instagram post that said hey if you um have been

00:15:42.220 if god used charlie kirk's videos in your life to bring you to himself then can you send me your

00:15:49.460 story i was not expecting all of the emails that i got because you know sending an email is kind of

00:15:55.600 like a hassle but then i i got i think over a hundred emails from people telling me their incredible

00:16:00.720 testimonies but one stood out to me of a woman named jacqueline who had been really into the new age

00:16:05.460 and tarot cards and witchcraft and her husband started watching charlie kirk videos and she started

00:16:10.740 watching charlie kirk videos she was pro-abortion she started hearing charlie talk about abortion

00:16:15.260 she was off put at first and i love stories like this when you're like that makes me angry they're

00:16:19.460 wrong but then the lord works on your heart and softens your heart you keep listening and the lord

00:16:23.120 uses that truth to bring you to himself and that's exactly what happened with jacqueline her testimony was

00:16:28.900 amazing it's also an encouragement to us keep slugging keep telling the truth because you never know how

00:16:34.460 god is using your words in unseen ways to lay the groundwork for conversion and to plant seeds um and

00:16:43.520 so that was amazing then we had my friend costi hen on pastor costi hen uh from gilbert arizona so he was

00:16:50.480 really close to where we were yesterday and i knew he could come in and tell us exactly what we needed to

00:16:55.020 hear we talked about discipleship if you're a seasoned christian and then also like how to be a new

00:17:00.340 christian and andrew i'm so glad he asked him this asked costi to just explain the gospel and it was

00:17:06.480 about two and a half minutes and we can't play the entirety of that thing here of that clip here and

00:17:11.380 you should go watch it circulating on x but um he explains what jesus accomplished on the cross

00:17:19.800 what happens um because of our sin what we actually deserve when it comes to judgment and hell

00:17:27.660 and then what jesus's death actually does for us and how we get that salvation here he is

00:17:34.860 one of the easiest ways to understand the gospel is god man christ response four simple things god

00:17:43.360 is holy he's real he is the creator of heaven and earth he's the ruler and holds all authority he is a

00:17:50.460 righteous holy loving father and that is who god is man is sinful we broke god's law

00:17:57.600 from the garden of eden all the way through until now we all sin the bible says all have sinned and

00:18:02.560 fallen short of the glory of god every sin that we would call small is still great enough to send

00:18:08.100 you to hell and separate you from god and man has one core issue it's not our politics it's not the

00:18:14.500 amount of money we make or don't make our main core issue is the issue of sin it separates us from god

00:18:19.660 so you have god and you have man and then you need a solution because if we have no solution we are damned to

00:18:25.340 hell yes and amen so yet again we see god using all of the all of the connections of believers

00:18:34.480 kasi and i connected years ago and he's become a friend to both timothy and me and i'm just so i'm

00:18:43.080 just so thankful for that i just knew he was just the right person but then he had a really good word

00:18:47.960 also for those of us who are seasoned christians we're looking at revival we're like is this real

00:18:53.240 please god let it be real but there could also be an older brother spirit and i'm talking about the

00:18:59.100 parable of the prodigal son there there could be an older brother cynical spirit that is underneath

00:19:05.980 some people some christians feelings about revival and here's what costi had to say about that sought

00:19:12.540 nine first thing i want to tell the seasoned believers in the church is you reject a cynical

00:19:19.420 spirit right at the root i we haven't dealt with this in our church by the grace of god but here's

00:19:24.900 the deal remember the prodigal son the prodigal goes wild who was there obeying being faithful the

00:19:34.160 other son yeah and what happens when the prodigal comes back oh come on i didn't get the fat and calf

00:19:38.460 what's all the big deal for this yeah you'll have a bunch of people that say oh we'll see if the hype

00:19:42.380 lasts oh yeah they were all there at state farm stadium on sunday we'll see if they actually show up to

00:19:46.520 church next sunday oh yeah this is just about charlie do it for charlie do it for charlie i've

00:19:50.700 been serving jesus i wasn't sure you'll have all of that pharisaic stuff so number one seasoned saints

00:19:56.660 do not be that guy that's such a good word for all of us our spirit needs to be one of celebration

00:20:05.100 and anticipation and hope um yes we should be looking at the true fruits of revival and jonathan

00:20:12.120 adwords back in the first great awakening in the 18th century he wrote something about the fruits

00:20:18.820 of revival that we need to see glorification of christ we need to see a love for scripture

00:20:23.460 it's more than just an emotional experience it's also about repentance it's also about a spirit of true

00:20:29.060 evangelism people who become christians in a true spirit-led revival make much of christ not much of

00:20:37.580 their personal experiences not much of their emotions emotions aren't bad but all the glory

00:20:43.660 goes to christ it's pointing to christ pointing people to scripture and go watch the segment yesterday

00:20:48.800 with costi where he talks about okay how do we as christians take these people under our wing how do

00:20:53.940 we make sure in our churches we're grabbing these people sticking them in the word and making sure that

00:20:58.920 they are you know in the word of god i mean there's a parable about this the seed thrown on the fertile

00:21:05.540 soil the rocky soil and so there's a lot right now that we seasoned christians need to remember

00:21:12.660 all right speaking of seasoned christians sometimes seasoned christians get in debates

00:21:18.840 about eschatology eschatology is a fancy word that just means knowledge of the end times the eschaton

00:21:26.600 and there are many different views within christianity true christians have disagreements

00:21:33.980 on what the end times are going to look like and we've done episodes dedicated to this most recently

00:21:40.220 we had an episode about israel and the different views on israel we can link that in the description

00:21:46.320 of this episode so that you can go back and watch that or listen to it but right now there is yet

00:21:54.180 another debate it's really never ending about the rapture because if you did not hear the rapture was

00:22:00.420 supposed to happen yesterday and i and i'll explain what this means a little bit more in a second as

00:22:05.520 a post-trib pre-millennialist have never hoped that i was wrong that i am wrong in my theology

00:22:13.540 more than yesterday because my theology what i see clearly in scripture is that actually those of us

00:22:21.460 who are alive during the tribulation will have to go through that tribulation until we die or until

00:22:26.520 we are caught up with the lord until we go home but this particular view the dispensationalist view

00:22:34.460 the pre-millennialist pre-tribulation view i know that's just like a lot of vocabulary christianese

00:22:41.600 out there but they believe that we are going to be saved by the rapture first before the tribulation

00:22:47.740 happens and so there were all these viral videos imposed yesterday saying oh the rapture is supposed to

00:22:53.520 happen on september 25th and i was looking out to the clouds and i was like yes jesus i am ready

00:23:00.260 please let's go unfortunately that didn't happen and we're going to talk about why it didn't happen

00:23:08.600 in just a second and what the bible actually says about the rapture and about the end times

00:23:14.560 it's very important to be talking about this especially right now as we are all feeling this big

00:23:19.960 big spiritual shift we know that the devil is not going down without a fight and so it's important

00:23:27.780 for us to be sober minded and be aware of what's going on and have a biblical perspective about what

00:23:35.340 our responsibility is in a moment like this we'll get into that in just a second let me go ahead and

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00:25:36.540 got post-millennialists and they believe that actually a lot of the end times prophecies that

00:25:42.860 typically we ascribe to um that that we ascribe to the end times so a lot of the prophecies that we see

00:25:49.500 in scripture that typically we ascribe to the end times have really already happened that we are

00:25:54.720 living in an age when actually more and more people are coming to christ that christ is manifesting the

00:26:02.080 victory that we know was already won in his death and resurrection more and more obviously uh throughout

00:26:09.260 history here on earth okay um and then we've got the pre-millennialist view and you've got two

00:26:16.300 different pre-millennialist views and that is the historic pre-millennialist view which is my view

00:26:23.200 that's pre-millennialist post-tribulation that we will be taken up with christ but not until the

00:26:29.300 tribulation happens for those of us who are still alive and then you've got the dispensationalist view

00:26:34.260 which they believe that the bible is organized into seven different dispensations of grace they also

00:26:40.080 believe in two distinct plans for the church and for israel where whereas post-mill and historic

00:26:46.120 pre-millennialists typically believe that the the church is talked about in the old testament and

00:26:53.740 that actually all of us are united both the remnant of israel and christians through our faith in jesus

00:27:02.180 christ and again go listen to that episode if you need more detail on that but no matter what no matter

00:27:09.280 what you believe especially for those of us on the pre-millennialist side that pre-millennialist means

00:27:15.220 like before the reign of christ um yeah the gosh there's so much there's so many details that i could

00:27:22.680 go into on that that i'll try to just keep it concise but here's what we know we know that we are not going

00:27:29.440 to be able to predict when the rapture happens okay we're not that's like eschatology 101 so when anyone

00:27:37.480 says we know the rapture is going to happen on this day don't listen to them period okay god has not

00:27:44.440 revealed that to them he's not he has not because god is not going to contradict what his word says

00:27:50.100 here's what we read from the book of matthew matthew 24 now dispensationalists will use this to justify

00:27:57.740 their position but and you could obviously there are arguments within interpretation but what we

00:28:03.540 absolutely read from this is that we will not know we will not know matthew 24 36 through 44 but

00:28:10.320 concerning that day and hour no one knows not even the angels of heaven nor the son what but the

00:28:17.420 father only you got some people out there who are these tiktok prophets saying yeah i know like joe

00:28:24.980 schmo knows but jesus christ doesn't know come on okay so remember or memorize that but concerning

00:28:31.680 that day and hour no one knows not even the angels in heaven nor the son but the father only

00:28:35.240 but as were the days of noah so will be the coming of the son of man okay also something to say about

00:28:41.720 that what did i say last week that i can kind of see why god sent the flood i mean things are like

00:28:46.360 really evil things have got to be similar to how they were back then so as were the days of noah so

00:28:52.160 will be the coming of the son of man for as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking

00:28:56.020 marrying and giving in marriage until the day when noah entered the ark and they were unaware until the

00:29:00.820 flood came and swept them all away so will be the coming of man then two men will be in the field

00:29:05.940 one will be taken um one will be taken in one left two women will be grinding at the mill one will be

00:29:12.660 taken in one left therefore stay awake for you do not know on what day your lord is coming but know

00:29:18.300 this that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming he would

00:29:23.080 have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into therefore you must also be ready

00:29:27.480 the son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect it's pretty explicit in the words of jesus

00:29:34.780 right there first thessalonians 4 14 through 18 and this is what you know people in my position

00:29:41.080 typically refer to when we're like it kind of looks like christians are going to have to go through the

00:29:45.260 tribulation if they're here for this we declare to you by a word from the lord that we who are alive

00:29:53.300 who are left until the coming of the lord will not precede those who have fallen asleep for the lord

00:29:58.920 himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command with the voice of an archangel and with

00:30:04.760 the sound of the trumpet of god and the dead in christ will rise first then we who are alive who are left

00:30:11.920 will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the lord in the air and so we will always be

00:30:18.240 with the lord yes lord thank you so much therefore encourage one another with these words i hope that

00:30:26.420 encouraged you so that's all we need to know right now we won't know the day we won't know the hour that

00:30:32.220 hasn't even been revealed to all of the heavenly beings so ignore all of those prophecies of people

00:30:37.580 saying they know when they don't know when that is caused to sow division and anxiety and fear we do

00:30:44.820 just have to be ready we have to be doing what we want to be found doing at that moment not wasting

00:30:51.380 time i'm speaking to myself just as much to anyone else not um not wasting time not uh sowing chaos

00:31:00.800 but through strength being peacemakers sharing the gospel doing what god has called us in that moment

00:31:09.220 that doesn't mean that you have to be doing these historic valiant public feats in that moment

00:31:14.420 you could be changing a diaper you could be washing dishes you could be sending an email you could be

00:31:20.760 sharing the gospel you could be buying groceries but in that moment be caught doing the next right

00:31:25.500 thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of god all right we've got another theological subject

00:31:31.360 uh to tackle and that is curses uh you might have seen this article that was going around i hadn't even

00:31:39.980 shared it or talked about it and maybe i should have there's just been so much going on it's been hard to

00:31:44.040 know exactly what what to say and when but jezebel posted on their instagram and posted on their

00:31:49.880 website and if you can't tell by the name jezebel is not a christian site okay it is secular left-wing

00:31:57.440 degenerate demonic disgusting nonsense okay that's what fills the pages of jezebel so it shouldn't be

00:32:05.560 surprising that just a couple days i believe it was a couple days maybe a few days before charlie's

00:32:11.800 brutal assassination that they posted that they had hired witches to send a curse on charlie kirk

00:32:20.360 and megan kelly talked about this on her show yesterday jezebel has since taken the article down

00:32:26.780 not of course because they're morally against it not because they feel guilty obviously they wanted to

00:32:32.900 try to harness the powers of darkness against charlie kirk and let this just be a lesson for all of you

00:32:40.640 agnostic people out there who don't know quite yet what to think evil clearly exists and evil hates

00:32:48.800 goodness and darkness hates light and so that is why this demonic outlet called jezebel tried to harness

00:32:58.860 the powers of satan to attack this emissary of light and goodness and the gospel so they wrote this

00:33:07.020 article and reportedly this you know very much disturbed erica and charlie because yes they

00:33:14.560 understood that evil is real that the spiritual powers of darkness are real and it uh reportedly

00:33:20.740 propelled them to pray which we should all pray because satan is real and demons are real but here's

00:33:26.300 what i want to encourage you as we pray and as we put on the full armor of god as we read in ephesians 6

00:33:32.680 i want to assure you christian of your protection i want to assure you christian that you are covered

00:33:40.680 by the blood of the lamb that you are covered by christ and by the way if you want that protection

00:33:47.060 get right with god through jesus and if you want to know what that means read ephesians 2

00:33:52.520 by grace through faith you can be not only saved by christ so that your soul can go to heaven forever

00:33:58.900 and saved from the hell that every single one of us deserves but also you will be under his

00:34:03.640 protection that doesn't mean that nothing bad will ever happen to you of course but that you will be

00:34:11.220 not under the curse of the darkness but you will be under the protection and the grace of our lord

00:34:17.200 jesus christ and nothing will befall you nothing can befall you apart from god's sovereign will

00:34:24.820 so i'll read you some verses that support that that should encourage you christian that in this

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00:36:04.480 so i'm just going to read you some verses i'm just going to read through them just to remind you of some

00:36:14.820 really important truths for us as christians galatians 3 13 through 14 christ redeemed us from the curse of the law

00:36:20.980 by becoming a curse for us for it is written curse it is everyone who was who is hanged on a tree that's

00:36:28.300 jesus so that in christ jesus the blessing of abraham might come to the gentiles so that we might receive

00:36:34.540 the promised spirit through faith and i'm losing my voice right now so pray for me colossians 1 13

00:36:42.020 he has delivered us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of his beloved son in whom we have

00:36:49.060 redemption the forgiveness of sins 1 john 1 7 but if we walk in the light as he is in the light we have

00:36:56.200 fellowship with one another and the blood of jesus his son cleanses us from all sin so i just want to remind you

00:37:04.660 christian that you are a new creation the old has passed the new has come that you are now in christ

00:37:10.900 you are now covered by him you cannot be possessed by a demon that no curse is going to befall you that

00:37:19.840 is outside of god's protection you actually cannot go outside of god's protection now listen god can allow

00:37:27.720 you to be tempted jesus was tempted in the wilderness god can allow trials to befall you read james 1

00:37:34.960 god actually uses trials to build your character and to build your perseverance we see in the book of

00:37:42.240 job that god allowed satan to have some authority over what happened to job but nothing can befall you

00:37:51.660 outside of god's sovereignty god's moral will of course can be broken because all of us sin but his

00:38:00.560 sovereign will as we read in job 42 2 cannot be thwarted no plan of god can be thwarted and we know

00:38:08.480 that he is actually actively using all of the bad things that happen all of the tragedy that occurs

00:38:14.160 all of these sins that are committed for his glory and the good of those who love him that's romans

00:38:21.220 8 28 and remember christian as we read in psalm 37 that god is not doing nothing as all of these

00:38:26.860 bad things are happening but his anger is kindling and one day as we just read he is going to come

00:38:32.560 back and he is going to defeat all evil forever he is not doing nothing about the evil that occurs but

00:38:38.280 he is using all of it somehow and his redemptive plan for his glory and the good of his church

00:38:44.300 god is not distant he is not busy he is not idle he is not wondering what's going to happen next

00:38:51.920 god's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch so let us remember god's sovereignty

00:38:58.680 and what we are about to read there was a part of erica's speech that i was really touched by

00:39:05.980 and she said this this is a line from her speech at the memorial even in death i could see the man

00:39:14.520 charlie that i love she said i saw the one single gray hair on the side of his head which i never told

00:39:22.400 him about and she's talking about when she had to go identify his body at the hospital after he had been

00:39:28.780 shot and killed she said i saw the one single gray hair on the side of his head and you know what i

00:39:35.080 thought of i thought of these words of jesus when he's speaking to his followers he's telling them

00:39:40.780 about the persecution that's to come he says this in luke 21 16 through 18 some of you they will put to

00:39:49.620 death you will be hated by all for my name's sake but not a hair of your head will perish so you'll be

00:40:00.040 delivered up to death they will put you to death you will become martyrs and yet not a hair on your

00:40:07.540 head will perish remember we are immortal we are bulletproof until god calls us home

00:40:14.920 let us remember this promise from isaiah 46 9 through 10 remember the former things of old for i am god

00:40:22.460 and there is no other i am god and there is none like me declaring the end from the beginning and from

00:40:28.700 ancient times things not yet done saying my counsel shall stand and i will accomplish my purpose

00:40:34.720 romans 8 28 and we know that for those who love god all things work together for good for those who are

00:40:44.300 called according to his purpose god is in control god will do something about evil in fact i was just

00:40:53.500 reading and and i apologize i don't have the exact reference in front of me because i was reading my

00:41:00.640 devo and i've got a psalms journal that i am using it's from crossway and um david is talking about

00:41:10.140 his enemies and he is talking about the enemies of god and he is telling god like i need you to do

00:41:18.860 something about it like i need you to stop these evil people here it is it's psalm 9 15 those who

00:41:27.940 mock god those who scoff at god reject god this is what we read about them the nations have sunk in

00:41:34.300 the pit that they have made in the net that they hid their own foot has been caught so all of these plans

00:41:42.200 all of these schemes and plots of evildoers right now the wicked who gnash their teeth against god

00:41:49.300 and against the righteous they will fall into their own trap we have to trust god we even see it right

00:41:55.460 now that god's in the business of redemption he is already doing something so good out of something so

00:42:01.220 tragic and i want to warn you this is what we're going to talk about next with our remaining time

00:42:07.200 i want to reward or warn you that uh in this time there are going to be those who by the powers of

00:42:16.300 darkness and the spirit of satan want to distract you and want to demonize revival and don't want you

00:42:24.420 to look to christ they don't want you to look to the cross they don't want you to love your neighbor

00:42:28.020 they don't want you to go to church they don't want you to read your bible they don't want you to pray

00:42:31.340 and they are being used far worse than that historic phrase of useful idiots that's a communist

00:42:38.860 phrase used to describe people who are just mindless vessels of the terrible ideology of communism and

00:42:45.340 socialism far worse than that there are people who are vessels of wrath as we see in romans 9 there's

00:42:52.460 still hope for people right now who are unbelievers that god can save them if he chooses to save them and

00:42:58.680 we should be praying for the repentance of people like ilhan omar and don lemon and all of these

00:43:02.960 people who are purveying these awful ideas 100 god can do that he turned saul who approved of the

00:43:09.200 martyrdom of stephen into paul the greatest evangelist that ever lived so god can do anything

00:43:14.500 but there are people right now who are going to make you think that a few things one that what you

00:43:21.860 can see with your own eyes and ears isn't really true and so you need to go down every dark rabbit hole

00:43:26.760 that exists um and i'm not saying we shouldn't ask questions we should ask questions but the and the

00:43:33.320 question that we should always ask is where's the evidence where's the evidence we should ask that to

00:43:38.300 individuals we should ask that to the government where's the evidence i don't want innuendo innuendo

00:43:42.140 is an evidence innuendo is an investigation innuendo is clickbait okay so we should be seeking

00:43:48.160 the truth there don't let those people distract you don't let them build in you anxiety and paranoia and

00:43:52.500 distract you from your purpose in this revival don't let them distract you from repentance

00:43:57.500 satan would love that and number two there are going to be people both on the right but definitely

00:44:04.040 on the left who are telling you that this is christian nationalism something super scary that we're

00:44:12.800 wedding state power and christianity and that it should scare us and that you shouldn't feel deeply

00:44:18.380 watching this footage of charlie kirk's memorial and it's hogwash i'm going to play you some of that

00:44:24.800 in just a second and i'll give you my response um i'll go ahead and play you uh this first clip

00:44:32.980 and then we can respond to it before we get to our next break here's salt one what we saw in that arena

00:44:39.400 was not simply faith finding public expression it was religious nationalism on full display that is the

00:44:48.260 truth that is my truth this is my freedom of expression the language was unmistakable take

00:44:54.900 the nation back for god restore america's covenant this is a holy calling that's what it sounded like

00:45:00.920 this is not the language of democracy this is the language of domination oh my gosh this is my

00:45:08.420 truth you know the the holy spirit has been working over time in my heart to give me a spirit of

00:45:15.940 self-control because the things i want to say to don lemon and ilhan omar and aoc and all of these

00:45:24.400 wicked people who have said some of these people have said horrific things about charlie kirk but also

00:45:31.640 saying things like this look this was a memorial this was not a state sanctioned event these were our top

00:45:38.440 leaders exalting the name of christ and declaring that jesus is king and guess what jesus is king is what

00:45:44.960 all christians believe is what we're all supposed to believe and that is a total statement that is a

00:45:51.380 total statement genesis 1 1 god created the heavens and the earth okay the all christians believe that

00:45:56.720 can you say that you believe that as a christian if you can't say that you believe that then

00:46:00.380 you're not a christian you got a lot of work to do all christians believe that god created the

00:46:04.880 heavens and the earth if god created all of it he is the authority over all of it if he has the

00:46:09.740 authority over all of it then he gets to say what is and what isn't what's right and what's wrong

00:46:12.980 what's good and what's bad, what a woman is, when life begins, what a marriage is,

00:46:17.060 what is good and what is evil. He gets to define those things. We don't get to compartmentalize

00:46:22.280 God's authority over there. God's authority is infused into every single area of the Christian

00:46:28.320 life, how we conduct business and how we vote. And Christians, just like every other person in

00:46:34.480 society, every other person in America, whether you are Muslim, whether you are a secular

00:46:38.620 progressive, whatever belief system you have, you have the freedom to bring the fullness of that

00:46:44.320 belief system into the voting booth, into the halls of Congress, into every school board meeting.

00:46:49.760 That actually is a democratic process. Let the best idea win. Of course, Christians believe we have

00:46:57.120 the best ideas. The founders believed that Christians had the best ideas for how a society

00:47:01.360 should function and flourish. If we believe that God created the heavens and the earth, if we believe

00:47:06.420 that God is love, 1 John 4, 8, then of course we believe that God and what we believe about God,

00:47:12.160 what we know about God should inform policy because we love our neighbors. You can't believe that God is

00:47:18.940 love but believe that he doesn't have the best way for us to love our neighbors, both personally and

00:47:26.140 politically, that just doesn't make sense. No, these people believe that everyone else, that the secular

00:47:31.640 progressive who believes their pseudo-religious idea is that you can be born in the wrong body or that

00:47:36.960 personhood can be placed on a human being somewhere in the birth canal by the fetus fairy, those people

00:47:43.980 get to bring the fullness of their worldview into the voting booth. But when Christians do it, it's

00:47:48.560 fascism. It's Nazism. No, that is a manipulation tactic to silence you. Don't buy it. All right, I've got

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00:49:07.260 MSNBC, which of course is a bastion of all truth and virtue and definitely should be the place that

00:49:13.240 we go to to understand theology better, is telling us, be afraid, be very afraid of Christians like

00:49:22.700 Marco Rubio from the stage of a memorial sharing the gospel. Here's Sato.

00:49:28.240 What you're seeing here is a movement called Christian nationalism that merges Christianity

00:49:34.080 as it's been practiced in America for centuries with a very specific interpretation of what the

00:49:40.380 founding fathers wanted, what Aristotle wanted, going all the way back to the ancients. You saw Larry

00:49:46.180 Arn, who is the president of Hillsdale College and a proponent of this strain of interpretation of

00:49:52.680 the Bible, merge Christianity and protecting the Western civilization values into one and the same

00:50:00.580 thing. It's a very somewhat convoluted argument, but if you distill it into the right talking points,

00:50:07.940 it really hits you in the, uh, patriotic heart area. What? Oh no. The, uh, these Christians are

00:50:16.480 following the extreme views of Aristotle. Oh my gosh. What a radical. Remember that guy?

00:50:24.020 This is just, it is fear mongering and actually what it is. It's just like everything else. Our views

00:50:29.940 on gender, our views on marriage, our views on speech, all of these things are normal. They've been

00:50:34.340 normative for Christians for two, I mean, in a lot of ways, 2000 years, obviously not every single

00:50:40.400 political position that we hold today is relevant to Christians who have lived in other places

00:50:44.980 throughout history, but especially since we are looking, um, at the forging of Western civilization

00:50:50.840 and the founding of America, the idea that you should put your country first, that the welfare

00:50:56.620 security of your country should come before the welfare and security of other countries. That is the

00:51:01.560 right and responsibility of every single government around the world. That's just obvious. Zimbabwe

00:51:06.360 should put Zimbabwe first. France should put France first. That should be infused into immigration

00:51:11.320 policy, economic policy, foreign policy. Of course, that is the God-given righteous and merciful

00:51:17.760 responsibility of every single government to put the needs of their citizens first. God created countries.

00:51:23.400 He created borders. They were his idea. The government is instituted by God, Romans 13,

00:51:27.880 to punish evil and to reward good. Of course, that goes for every single country. That sure as heck

00:51:34.860 goes for our country. When we look at Jeremiah 29, the Israelites were placed in exile. What did God

00:51:40.620 tell them before he said, I have plans to prosper you and not to harm you? And verse 11, he tells them,

00:51:46.460 seek the welfare of the city that I have placed you in. So Christians are in exile here on earth,

00:51:50.640 and yet we have been placed here by a God who does nothing accidentally or arbitrarily,

00:51:54.880 but does everything with purpose and intention. You are placed in this space, on this tiny spot

00:52:00.000 of the universe, on this small speck of eternity by a God who does nothing by accident. We are called

00:52:05.380 to make better the space, the sphere that we occupy. Yes, there are a million ways that we can do that

00:52:12.120 on the personal level, but politics is a way that we do that. Policy is a way that we do that because

00:52:18.700 politics affect policy, policy affects people, and people matter. Politics matter because policy

00:52:26.060 matters because people matter. Politics is a way, not the only, not the primary, a way to love your

00:52:32.320 neighbor. And yes, Christians for the past several centuries have believed that. Going all the way

00:52:38.080 back 2,000 years ago, it's not that they were primarily political activists, but the gospel of

00:52:42.820 Jesus Christ, the previously exclusively Hebrew idea of the Imago Dei changed the world because

00:52:49.280 these Christians came into a society that measured people's worth based on their rationale and based on

00:52:56.280 their ability to reason, the logos, and their productivity and said, no, no, no, no, no. That's

00:53:03.440 not how we're measuring people's worth. We're measuring people's worth by the fact that they are human.

00:53:07.660 If they're human, no matter their size or their age or their productivity, they're made in the image

00:53:11.600 of God so they all have worth. And oh, oh, by the way, you thought that was it? No, no, no. No matter

00:53:16.080 how smart or rich you are, you are dead and you're sent apart from Christ and you are going to hell.

00:53:20.140 And you need just as much help getting to heaven as anyone else. You are all equally dead and sent

00:53:26.300 apart from Christ. You all have to be made alive by grace through faith in Christ. Yes, that's right.

00:53:31.760 Our King, our Messiah, our Savior died on the cross, but he didn't just die on the cross. Unlike all of

00:53:36.540 your leaders and your prophets, he rose again three days later. And we know he's coming back,

00:53:41.160 but we've got work to do until then. And everywhere that Christian feet hit the ground,

00:53:46.280 they said the child sacrifice will stop now. The injustice will stop here. The neglecting of

00:53:52.680 the vulnerable will stop here. And yes, that happened on a personal level through the building

00:53:56.060 of hospitals and orphanages and adoption agencies. All of that happened on a cultural level and

00:54:01.600 stigmatizing things like abortion and infanticide and child prostitution. All of that happened 2,000

00:54:06.720 years ago in pagan ancient Rome until over time as these small group of persistent and relentless

00:54:14.380 Christians were killed and then multiplied, killed and then multiplied. All of those evil practices

00:54:21.160 eventually became stigmatized, became shamed, and then in many cases became criminalized.

00:54:28.480 And so Christians over time through infusing goodness into every sphere that they occupied,

00:54:34.240 they changed how the world functioned. They changed the systems to go from objectifying Christians or

00:54:41.260 objectifying children and the most vulnerable to treating those people with dignity. And those people

00:54:47.240 had those ideas when they founded the United States of America. And that was the belief that led

00:54:54.400 abolition against slavery, which by the way is still practiced in many non-Western countries today.

00:54:59.780 And that is the same spirit that leads us to fight against things like abortion, not just on the

00:55:05.020 personal level and taking care of those babies, but also guaranteeing their legal right not to be

00:55:11.140 murdered. Yes, we are declaring that Jesus is king when we fight for the legal right of babies to not be

00:55:17.780 slaughtered inside the womb. We are declaring that Jesus is king when we say you do not have the right

00:55:23.140 to butcher a body of a young person who is confused about their gender.

00:55:31.380 Yes, we are declaring that Jesus is king when we say we don't want more Lake and Rileys. We don't want

00:55:36.600 more Molly Tibbettses. We want to protect these borders with as much mercy and strength as we can.

00:55:43.960 Yes, those come from a Christian worldview. There are practical reasons for all of those policies. But yes,

00:55:49.560 Christians get to bring the fullness of what we believe into the public sphere, just like everyone

00:55:54.020 else. And Christian, if you are disturbed by, rather than grateful for, some of the most powerful

00:56:01.980 people in the world getting on stage and declaring that Jesus is king, then you have been brainwashed.

00:56:08.860 Not everyone else. You have been brainwashed. Because what we saw at Charlie's memorial was God's

00:56:14.440 mercy to us. That God has not turned his back on us yet. That he is showing us grace by giving us all

00:56:22.240 of these people in this administration who love him and know him and want to make him known. That

00:56:26.980 should make you celebrate and say, hallelujah, thank you, Lord, for not forgetting us when you could have.

00:56:33.980 Get your mind right. Get your heart right. Don't be psyoped. Don't be manipulated by this

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00:58:27.560 Okay. I want to play you this clip from Charlie Kirk because he was the best

00:58:31.700 at defending the Christian foundations of America. Like, the capacity in that man's brain

00:58:37.540 to remember all of these facts and to regurgitate them without saying um, without stumbling over

00:58:44.160 his words was really amazing. I can't say it better than Charlie. Here's top five.

00:58:48.160 Remember that we were a collection of states and colonies, and you need to read the state

00:58:51.720 constitutions before anything else. Nine out of 13 of the original states required you to be a

00:58:55.940 Bible-believing Christian to serve in government at the time of the founding. 13 out of 13 required a

00:58:59.920 declaration of faith. Nine out of 13 required you to be a Protestant, except Maryland, which was

00:59:03.920 Catholic, which still required a declaration of faith. Almost every single one of the original

00:59:07.840 state constitutions, Pennsylvania included, they had, I profess Lord and Jesus Christ as my Lord

00:59:12.340 and Savior in the original state constitutions. They say that God was only mentioned four times in

00:59:16.640 the Declaration of Independence. Well, that's a big deal. Okay. Laws of nature and nature's God.

00:59:20.500 The last paragraph of the declaration reads as a prayer. It says, we appeal to the supreme

00:59:24.700 judge of the universe. Who is the judge of the universe? Jesus Christ. It says in Revelation

00:59:28.880 that Jesus will judge the earth on his throne. So in the declaration, they were praying to

00:59:34.400 Christ our Lord as a prayer very specifically. So yes, explicitly Christian. In order to hold

00:59:41.320 state office, you actually had to be a Protestant Christian in most of the colonies. And yes, when

00:59:49.400 people say, oh, this founding only says God this many amount of times. Well, how incredible is it?

00:59:55.100 How incredible is it? I mean, of course, the very first part of the declaration declares that we

01:00:01.820 were given our rights by a creator. We were endowed with certain inalienable rights, among them being

01:00:08.080 life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, or property. I mean, even if it just said that, that's incredible

01:00:15.900 that we have a creator, not just some like deistic far off God who set the world into motion and then

01:00:22.680 had nothing to do with it. A lot of people say, oh, all the founders were deists. Some of the

01:00:26.960 founders were deists. George Washington was not a deist. Many of the founders that signed the

01:00:33.240 declaration were not deists. They were not just theists. They were actually Christians. Many of

01:00:40.320 them, I'm not getting into a Calvinist debate, but Calvinism at this time, especially because of the

01:00:45.120 First Great Awakening, was very prevalent. A lot of these people were Presbyterian. And so it's just

01:00:50.740 not true that they had like no semblance of biblical faith. It is absolutely true. Now, of course, the

01:00:56.280 First Amendment to the Constitution says that we have a freedom of religion, that we cannot be forced to

01:01:01.780 practice a particular religion. And I think that that is, I think that that of course is true. Of course

01:01:08.120 it's true. But that also is why these people going out there and saying, hey, I'm a Christian. I'm also a

01:01:14.060 government official. It's not theocracy. It's not forcing anyone to pray. It's not forcing anyone

01:01:20.160 to believe. You can be a Jewish person. You can be a Muslim person in the United States. But that

01:01:25.460 doesn't negate our Christian foundations. And yes, because of that, Christianity and the basic

01:01:30.320 principles of Christianity, the worldview of Christianity, of having a creator, of having a

01:01:35.820 greater moral order, of having a family set up between one man and one woman, of the reality of

01:01:43.820 the Imago Dei, and because of that, having an innate worth, the need for impartial justice and due

01:01:49.500 process, all of which is inspired by Scripture, it is so important for those tenets to be understood by

01:01:56.640 every single student. No one says they have to abide by them and their families themselves, but

01:02:01.160 understood by every single student and should be the foundation of policy in America. The basic

01:02:09.000 principles, absolutely. And if you don't believe that, if you want to buck against that, if you want

01:02:14.360 to speak against that, if you want to, you know, try to say that that's not the case and you want to

01:02:21.660 create some kind of like petition or organization against that, you have the freedom to do that because

01:02:26.540 of Christianity. You have had the privilege of living in a decently rightly ordered society,

01:02:33.320 of having rights, inherit rights, because of Christianity. You only get to speak against the

01:02:41.040 prevailing worldview of a country. You only get to be a dissent in a country when the prevailing worldview

01:02:50.000 of that country values personal liberty. It is because of Christianity that all of you people

01:02:57.080 out there that have spoken against it and that hate America have been free to bring those ideas to the

01:03:02.800 table. But you see, now things do look a little bit different. The marketplace of ideas was just shot

01:03:11.980 up by a leftist who couldn't handle being disagreed with. And then actually, all of these people who

01:03:18.680 suddenly care about free speech cared more when a multimillionaire got suspended from his job for

01:03:24.980 five days than when someone was assassinated for saying something that is true. Jimmy Kimmel has been

01:03:32.300 reinstalled. Some left-wing nut shot up an ABC affiliate. So there's officially been more violence

01:03:39.660 because of Jimmy Kimmel getting suspended for lying on air than the right has displayed since one of our

01:03:49.320 legitimate heroes got assassinated. I'm going to question your free speech bona fides if you cared

01:03:56.180 more about what happened to Jimmy Kimmel for five days than Charlie Kirk getting assassinated for speaking

01:04:03.420 words that were true. Hmm. I'm going to start to maybe think you're just a left-wing radical and you

01:04:11.220 need Jesus. You need Jesus. And we should be praying for that. But you know, I do think that when Jesus tells us

01:04:18.500 to pray for our enemies, that includes some of the psalms and the prayers of David who said,

01:04:26.660 please, Lord, you got to do something about the evil. You got to do something about them. Please don't let them

01:04:31.940 flourish. Don't let them win. Pray for their repentance. Yes. But let's pray for justice.

01:04:37.820 Let's pray for truth to prevail too. All right. That's all we've got time for today. We will be back here on Friday.

01:05:01.940 All right. Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 24, 2025

Ep 1245 ｜ Witches Cast a Spell on Charlie Kirk. Can Christians Be Cursed？

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