Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 1404 ｜ The “Cornell 7” Men Have Spoken—I Couldn’t Believe What They Said

00:00:00.000 It is not necessary to compromise on the truth in order to be compassionate, unless your motive

00:00:06.000 for showing your compassion is just a virtue signal. But if it's actually to speak the truth

00:00:10.880 in love, to show true godly compassion, then you have to be willing to be unpopular, to ask

00:00:16.380 unpopular questions, and take a step back and say, I want to know what really happened. I'm not saying

00:00:21.060 I know everything that went down, but neither do you. Neither does Florence Pugh. Neither does AOC.

00:00:26.320 We don't know everything that went down and I am not going to automatically say that Jane 0.62

00:00:31.980 Doe is correct.

00:00:32.920 And some of these men who have contrary stories are not. 0.72

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00:00:56.320 hey y'all welcome to relatable happy monday hope everyone had a wonderful weekend

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00:02:59.420 one more really important thing that I have to say before we get into today's very important story,

00:03:04.660 and that is God's eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch. Nothing surprises him.

00:03:10.160 nothing throws him off. Nothing takes him aback. He is never looking down and wondering what the

00:03:16.140 heck is going on. Whether it's the tragic story, the dark story that we are talking about today,

00:03:21.600 whether it's something that's gone on in your own life and your child's life, it's a challenge or

00:03:25.520 an obstacle that you're facing, a tragedy that you are going through, a sin that you are repenting

00:03:32.060 of, or whether you're looking at the news or you're looking at what's going on in the world

00:03:35.900 and you see so much sadness and chaos and confusion and decay, all of these are just

00:03:40.780 indications that God is working out his plan of redemption. And one day he is going to make all

00:03:46.020 things right. That creation is groaning in its waiting for the return of our King to make all

00:03:52.400 things new, to do away with evil and oppression and injustice and degeneracy and chaos and confusion

00:03:57.700 forever and ever. And all of us long for that day. When people ask us, why do things like this

00:04:03.480 happen? Like the subject that we're talking about today are these horrible things that befall

00:04:07.980 innocent people, children. Why do these things happen? We don't always have the answer for every

00:04:13.980 individual example of suffering and tragedy and injustice, but we do know that we serve a God

00:04:20.040 who's not doing nothing, that the Bible doesn't hide the fact that life is going to be hard,

00:04:24.720 that there are a lot of confusing, very difficult things that people endure, that suffering happens.

00:04:30.180 We see it from the beginning of the Old Testament, almost the very beginning of the Old Testament,

00:04:37.040 and almost all the way till the end, where finally we have the marriage supper of the

00:04:42.700 lamb and things are made right.

00:04:44.800 Things are as they were always supposed to be.

00:04:48.280 God's eternal plan of redemption is working all of that out.

00:04:52.620 He is seeking and saving the lost.

00:04:54.360 He is advancing the cause of righteousness.

00:04:56.560 He is increasing his kingdom.

00:04:58.640 the sheep know his voice and are following him. We can trust in all of that, that we are a part

00:05:04.780 of that just as his children. We do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for

00:05:09.740 the glory of God as we hope for our future glory one day that we know is guaranteed in Christ.

00:05:15.400 Okay. So that's really good news. I always like to start every week with that. If you're new here,

00:05:20.260 that is how we start every Monday with that good news, because no matter what we're talking about,

00:05:24.540 no matter what's going on, personal, political, professional, that is the best news. That is the

00:05:30.480 indication of God's grace and goodness. So we never get to ask, why me? Why me? Why is this

00:05:36.020 hard thing happening? Yes. Why me? In the sense that why did God love us so much to send his own

00:05:40.980 son to die for us so that we wouldn't perish, but have eternal life. Like that's the why me that we

00:05:46.520 should really be asking. And we should just thank God for his grace in that. All right. So I start

00:05:52.000 out that way. And then I also want to just give a warning to you. And I'm only going to give one

00:05:56.560 warning at the very top. This is my trigger warning. As we bask in the light of the glory

00:06:02.760 of the gospel and the hope that we have in Christ, we also remember that we live in this fallen

00:06:06.940 world. And sometimes the things that happen in this fallen world are very, very dark. And we

00:06:11.720 see Satan at work who Ephesians 2 calls the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now

00:06:16.280 at work in the sons of disobedience. And we look at the dark things that happen and we say, gosh,

00:06:21.600 Satan really hates us. He hates our bodies. He hates goodness. He hates love. He hates sex in

00:06:26.880 the context of marriage. Um, he hates purity. He hates obedience to God. He hates human beings and 0.91

00:06:33.000 he will do anything he possibly can to tempt us to degradation and to all different kinds of

00:06:40.380 behavior that is hurtful to others and displeasing to God. And we shouldn't wallow in the reality of

00:06:47.900 sin and darkness and decay, but sometimes we have to look at it. And the reason we have to look at

00:06:53.320 it is so that we can discern between good and evil, and we can speak truth to the lies that

00:06:58.880 exist and also say, okay, yes, that led to death and destruction and awful things. There is a better

00:07:04.900 way. And Christians have to be willing sometimes to look straight into the darkness, to call it 1.00

00:07:09.360 for what it is, and then to show people, hey, there's a better way over here. Here's why something 0.99

00:07:14.440 like this happens. Here's the truth of what happened and here's a better way. So as we talk

00:07:19.120 about this story about the Cornell seven, that's what we are going to get to at the end. But first

00:07:25.460 we've got some work to do. I have to untangle this story because as with so many things y'all that go

00:07:31.580 viral online, not everything that you're hearing. And in fact, most of what you're hearing is fully

00:07:37.640 true. You're seeing a lot of half truths out there. People take one part and they push an

00:07:43.540 entire narrative. They put their entire ideology behind it and they construct something that is not

00:07:48.240 entirely accurate. And I think, especially when we're talking about things like this, things that

00:07:54.100 are so sensitive that we need to care about accuracy. It seems like some people think

00:08:00.000 that caring about accuracy is like lacking compassion or lacking love or lacking a desire

00:08:07.940 for justice. I remember that very much in 2020, when people were pushing all kinds of things of

00:08:13.660 like white people are hunting black people and the police officers are just systemically killing 0.97

00:08:18.360 black people. And people like me would be like, no, actually that's not statistically true. Here's 0.99

00:08:23.500 what the data really says. Here's what the logic says about, you know, what you're proposing. And

00:08:27.980 people would accuse me lacking empathy, lacking compassion, but actually turning the lights on

00:08:33.560 for someone who mistakenly thinks something is lurking in the corner is one of the most loving

00:08:38.840 things that you can do. That's not to say in the story, we're not going to see a whole lot of bad

00:08:43.480 behavior because we are, but the layers of the story are a little bit more complex. The complicity,

00:08:51.300 the responsibility of the individuals of the story is more complex and more intricate than what you

00:08:56.960 may be seeing online. So let me back up a little bit and just tell you what's going on. So people

00:09:02.380 you've probably seen are enraged about what you're hearing as the Cornell seven. This is

00:09:08.020 the Cornell seven story in which a Jane Doe. So an anonymous female has accused seven men of

00:09:14.640 sexually assaulting her on October 19th, 2024. So almost two years ago now at a Cornell university

00:09:21.800 fraternity house, people are sharing the names and the photos of the seven men who have been accused

00:09:27.400 with the goal, as we will see explicitly, of ruining their lives, even though these men have

00:09:33.920 not yet been charged with a crime. Now, that's the problem that a lot of people have. They are

00:09:39.280 saying, why have these men not been charged with a crime based on the seriousness and the severity

00:09:45.720 of these accusations? The assumption is, well, this is just an old boys club. And because these

00:09:52.780 are young white men who are from probably affluent families that go to this Ivy League

00:09:58.460 university, that they have been protected from accountability and protected from responsibility.

00:10:03.740 And now people online, the TikTok justice system is looking to ensure that they receive justice

00:10:14.400 and that they pay for their crimes. The university newspaper's editorial board revealed these boys

00:10:21.640 identity or these young men's identity on September 21st, two of them have been fired

00:10:27.900 from their jobs since that revelation. The details in this case involve major discrepancies

00:10:35.900 to the point where you have to question the complete validity of this woman referred to as

00:10:41.880 Jane Doe's testimony and the lack of responsibility that others are putting on her and that she is

00:10:48.560 taking for her own role in this situation. As we will see, she admitted to willingly participating

00:10:56.120 in very degrading sexual acts that she only later said, eh, maybe that wasn't really consensual.

00:11:04.300 So we're going to look at what Cornell and the district attorney's office knew about the case

00:11:09.280 in 2024, as well as the latest evidence that's come to light this week to show that like with

00:11:15.560 Lindsay Clancy, social media users are attempting to play judge, jury executioner over a legal case

00:11:23.120 and pushing this view that is simply not true, that women are unconditionally the victim.

00:11:30.980 Now, I am not saying yet whether this woman was victimized in any way at any time. I'm going to

00:11:38.960 relay the facts to you and the admissions to you as they have come out. And then I will give you

00:11:44.940 kind of my conclusion and my sentiment about everything in the lessons I think that we should

00:11:49.900 draw. But what I just want to say at the top is what we have to do in these kinds of cases,

00:11:55.520 whether it is accusations against ICE officers or whether it is the story of Lindsay Clancy

00:12:01.300 or whether it is, uh, accusations toward police officers and their interactions with citizens,

00:12:07.980 especially, um, black citizens. Like we have to slow our role. We have to slow our role

00:12:14.660 because the underlying assumption is that the white male is always responsible, that he is

00:12:21.800 always the one who committed the wrong act. And most people do not wait for the facts before

00:12:28.620 jumping to that conclusion because they want to be able to signal that they are virtuous and

00:12:33.520 compassionate online. But that is partiality. It's not compassion. That is actually perpetuating

00:12:39.360 in some cases injustice, or at least possibly perpetuating injustice and lies for the sake of

00:12:47.040 your own reputation and trying to feel good about yourself. It's not worth it. It's not worth it. So

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00:14:06.080 so here's a little bit of the timeline the most recent timeline on september 16th 2026

00:14:14.920 jane doe filed a civil lawsuit against cornell university the seven men she accused of assaulting

00:14:20.360 her the men's fraternity ki-fi and her sorority this is almost exactly two years after the alleged

00:14:27.160 assaults people are calling the incident a gang rape that lasted for hours after this new lawsuit

00:14:32.580 claimed that the men engaged in multiple threesomes with Shane Doe and snorted ketamine

00:14:37.800 off her body without her consent. I told you guys that this was going to be graphic and hard

00:14:44.200 to listen to. The suit also alleges that her sorority allowed her to get intoxicated despite 1.00

00:14:50.080 her being underage at the time she was 20 and that the university failed to hold the seven men

00:14:55.240 accountable. This case is as I said going viral online due to this new lawsuit but in

00:15:02.420 2024 she reported the incident to campus police three weeks after the night uh the so-called and

00:15:09.960 i'm just saying so-called because we'll get into some of the details here assaults occurred and

00:15:14.760 she signed a sworn statement giving her account of what happened now her original statement did

00:15:19.980 not say that she was unable to consent even so this is why people are so angry about this story

00:15:28.060 She gave this signed statement, and yet it seems that law enforcement did not do anything.

00:15:34.880 They didn't arrest anyone.

00:15:36.100 They didn't charge any of the men, and the university apparently didn't respond.

00:15:42.000 And so that is why she is now filing the civil suit in 2026, and people are saying this is

00:15:47.960 a total miscarriage of justice, and this is just another example of the patriarchy winning 0.96

00:15:53.200 and these female victims not having their voices heard.

00:15:56.920 After reviewing her statement, the district attorney's office in 2024 decided not to bring

00:16:03.500 any charges to anyone involved. Tompkins County District Attorney Matthew Van Houten

00:16:09.540 said prosecutors initially declined to move forward because Jane Doe's statement to authorities

00:16:15.580 did not provide enough evidence under New York law to prove a lack of consent. However,

00:16:23.740 he announced on September 28th, the lawsuit and on September 16th from September 16th has prompted

00:16:30.560 his office to reopen the case. Now, whether or not it was the lawsuit or it was the social media

00:16:37.180 uproar that prompted them to reopen the case, we don't know. Van Houten told ABC news that

00:16:43.380 prosecutors will determine whether new evidence has emerged since November, 2024. That could

00:16:48.900 change their original assessment and support a finding of criminal conduct. The evidence will

00:16:53.340 be presented to a grand jury, which will hear testimony and decide whether charges should be

00:16:57.540 brought against the defendants, those seven men. The DA estimates it'll take 45 days to officially

00:17:02.960 convene the grand jury. Based on this timeline, proceedings would begin around mid-November.

00:17:08.560 Now, Democrat Governor of New York, Kathy Hochul, announced Thursday that she has appointed New

00:17:13.420 York Attorney General Letitia James as the special prosecutor for this case. Now, Letitia James is not

00:17:20.680 usually a friend of impartial justice. Here's SOP 4. So let me just say my heart goes out to

00:17:28.500 the victim, the survivor, and I stand with her and all individuals who unfortunately

00:17:35.120 have been the victims of sexual assault. We look forward to the outcome and to ensure that in fact

00:17:41.300 justice is served and there's accountability for the survivor. Okay. So the assumption there is

00:17:48.120 that these men did it, that they committed this awful crime, that they raped this woman while 0.91

00:17:53.100 she was completely intoxicated and unable to consent. On Friday morning, Hochul called for

00:17:58.920 a change, um, for a change to New York sexual assault law. She said, if someone is too intoxicated

00:18:06.140 to consent, it should not matter whether they chose to use the drugs or alcohol. Initially,

00:18:11.940 voluntary intoxication is not a license for sexual assault or gang rape period. And of course,

00:18:18.120 I don't believe that voluntary intoxication is a license for assault. Of course not.

00:18:22.780 The question is, is that actually what happened in pursuit of justice? It is important necessary

00:18:29.440 to get the details, right? There is no justice without truth. So let's look back, look back at

00:18:34.580 what Jane Doe was saying in 2024, when these alleged assaults happened to understand why the

00:18:41.260 seven defendants in the lawsuit weren't actually charged. Jane Doe went to report to the alleged

00:18:48.720 assault that occurred on October 19th, 2024 to the campus police. The full 120 page transcript

00:18:55.260 of everything she said in the interview is not publicly available, nor is the full six page

00:18:59.860 summary written by the campus investigator and signed by Jane Doe. Only a partial version of

00:19:05.240 the statement has been publicly released by the district attorney's office. Outlets like ABC,

00:19:10.380 CBS, New York times who have obtained these two documents or have obtained these two documents.

00:19:16.480 And here is what they are reporting. The men in Jane Doe's statement are referred to as male

00:19:22.160 with a number assigned to them. Okay. So male one through seven, that's why I'm saying that

00:19:26.220 because they're trying to keep this anonymous. So just, you'll want to pay close attention.

00:19:30.820 It might be a little bit confusing at times, but pay close attention to male number one,

00:19:34.540 number two, et cetera. And of course, Jane Doe is again, the anonymous woman who is alleging this

00:19:41.280 happened. So according to these outlets who were able to obtain these interviews and some of the

00:19:47.940 investigative materials, Jane Doe went to the Chi-Fi fraternity house to meet her friend,

00:19:53.780 male number one, and agreed to his proposition of a threesome that night, October 19th,

00:19:59.740 due to how attracted she was to one of the men and in part because of her drunken curiousness.

00:20:08.280 She also reportedly engaged in another threesome with male number two, as well as a third man who

00:20:13.740 entered the room. The statement gives no indication of her refusing this, but she said she repeatedly

00:20:18.980 refused other sexual acts, including a foursome allegedly proposed by male number one. As time

00:20:26.660 went on, men were in and out of that room reportedly, allegedly due to a Snapchat, as we

00:20:31.980 are showing here, sent to the fraternity's members saying there was, quote, free sex available and

00:20:38.460 inviting them to join. At one point, the fraternity brothers in the room, males four, five, six, and

00:20:44.000 seven, asked if they could snort ketamine, some people pronounce it ketamine, either way, off of

00:20:49.720 her body, to which she said, sure. She reportedly didn't have sex at any point with males number

00:20:56.420 five through seven. Male number seven started kissing her, but she backed up a way to stop him 0.99

00:21:02.800 reportedly. Male number three, who had left the room, returned with another male not named in the

00:21:08.740 lawsuit. So not allegedly involved in any of this. And they told the group to stop. They said,

00:21:14.700 that's enough. Don't do this anymore. The drug use stopped. And then male number one and number

00:21:19.460 four went with Jane Doe to another room where they engaged in a third and final threesome.

00:21:24.560 By this point, Jane Doe said in her statement, I remember being totally disgusted at the

00:21:30.300 situation and I felt very tired and intoxicated.

00:21:33.360 I felt like I was unable to make any decision because of how intoxicated I was.

00:21:38.900 Doe also described in the statement that she, quote, had become extremely uncomfortable

00:21:44.020 with how this night was turning out.

00:21:46.200 So my thought was, if I do ketamine again, maybe I will pass out. 0.93

00:21:49.860 and thinking if I passed out and the men had sex with me, they could be charged with rape. Wow. 0.99

00:21:55.360 That's pretty sophisticated line of thinking for someone who was super intoxicated to me,

00:22:00.600 that felt like coercion. She said, also, I felt like due to my intoxication, they should have

00:22:06.300 known how intoxicated I was based on how I was slurring my words, except for, of course,

00:22:11.960 these young men were apparently very intoxicated too. When she woke up at 10 AM, she got a ride

00:22:18.160 home from mail number one. The transcript of the interview when she was first reporting this

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00:23:32.340 so the transcript of the interview shows that she believed there was a difference in how she

00:23:42.480 saw the initial encounter and what she said happened later in the night when asked by the

00:23:48.800 campus investigator if she was okay what with what was going on at first she said yeah as much as i

00:23:54.820 can be because again i was super drunk when i got there but i was pretty okay with all of this

00:24:01.480 But describing the later events of the night, she said, I don't remember the very end of the event

00:24:08.280 where I was raped. She told them, I can say with 100% confidence, I was raped. And remember, 0.92

00:24:17.160 this is in an interview that she was having with the campus investigator. So district attorney

00:24:22.880 Van Houten said that he never saw this transcript and that the only thing his office received

00:24:27.720 initially, remember back in 2024, was the six-page statement from the campus investigator

00:24:33.160 signed by Jane Doe and the Snapchat screenshot alerting the fraternity members of the free

00:24:37.440 sex available. According to CNN, Cornell said that it gave all investigative materials to the

00:24:42.680 DA's office and hadn't responded to repeated requests about whether the transcripts were

00:24:47.560 included. Jane Doe did know what was detailed in the six-page statement from the interview.

00:24:53.940 The transcript shows that as the investigator documented her account, he read it back to her

00:24:58.940 and asked her to correct or clarify it. The transcript also shows that Jane Doe reviewed

00:25:03.660 the six page document herself on the second day of the interview and made changes where she felt

00:25:08.520 they were needed. When her survivor advocate asked if Jane Doe wanted her and another advisor to look

00:25:13.920 at the statement, Jane Doe reportedly says, I'm very confident about this before she signed it.

00:25:20.060 But according to CBS News, their New York investigative reporter, Masa Saidi, exclusively received new screenshots of text messages from a source.

00:25:31.800 We don't know the source right now.

00:25:33.100 The source said they show text between the former student identified as Jane Doe and one of the defendants accused of rape in this lawsuit.

00:25:41.680 So here is one of the texts.

00:25:44.280 We'll go through them.

00:25:45.040 Mail number two said in a text to Jane Doe, according to CBS.

00:25:49.140 I just wanted to apologize for how things went down the other night. He said his memory is kind

00:25:54.840 of fuzzy and that he and another man feel bad for being too intoxicated to shut it down and kick

00:25:59.780 people out before it got way out of hand. The woman in the text chain replied that her memory

00:26:04.420 is super clouded too and said they had all been heavily intoxicated. She also wrote none of the

00:26:10.160 sexual stuff was illegal. She said she liked being with him and another man. That's Jane Doe. Later,

00:26:16.480 she suggested they smoke together again, but like leave out the extra 5 billion men and the

00:26:23.080 ketamine. That other man that she's referring to is male number one. So male number one and male

00:26:27.300 number two, she says she liked, she wants to do it again, but like not the other guys and not the

00:26:34.320 ketamine. So that text from male number two was on October 21st, 2024, just a few days after the

00:26:42.320 incident. And then on October 24th, 2024, this is according to the New York times 23rd, rather

00:26:51.280 Jane Doe texted mail number one, bro. She wrote, everyone knows she said that this incident was

00:26:57.960 ruining my life temporarily and that her reputation had been destroyed. And then from ABC, Jane Doe

00:27:05.540 texted the man later identified by the Tompkins County district attorney's office as mail number

00:27:11.140 one, everyone needs to grow up because sexuality and sex and something and blank is changing and

00:27:19.640 stuff and, and stuff like this is going to become more common. I'm also really open-minded though.

00:27:27.000 I love you King. Okay. So that is Jane Doe talking to male number one during this time,

00:27:34.020 according to the New York times at Chi-Fi, the fraternity was preparing for Halloween party

00:27:38.920 and Jane Doe was eager to attend.

00:27:41.280 Okay, so she was eager to attend 1.00

00:27:42.760 after she says she was sexually assaulted. 0.94

00:27:45.180 Text messages included in the investigation

00:27:47.100 show male number one assuring Jane Doe

00:27:51.500 that he and other fraternity members

00:27:53.460 wanted her to be there.

00:27:55.540 Chi-Fi is your house, he says,

00:27:57.440 and you are welcome here,

00:27:59.140 relaying the views of the fraternity's president

00:28:01.300 who was not among those accused of sexual assault.

00:28:05.200 She says, thank you, I really appreciate that in a text.

00:28:08.020 um heart i'll bring my cigs tomorrow but then jane doe received a phone call from kai fi's

00:28:14.940 president according to the text she was disinvited from the halloween party he said it was for her

00:28:21.900 own good after that call jane doe sent a biting text to mr ingles i knew this was going to happen

00:28:28.880 she wrote the woman will always get the short end of the stick y'all aren't my friends y'all are 0.98

00:28:33.920 covering your butts. By November 3rd, Jane Doe appears to have concluded that she was assaulted 0.92

00:28:40.520 at the October party. She sent a text to mail number two. Let's be clear that 90% of what

00:28:49.040 happened that night was not consensual. I was given more key or ketamine than I can remember,

00:28:54.420 she said. And I know that I told you I felt uncomfortable and I didn't know anyone in the

00:29:02.280 room. The text continued with her telling them that only one of her memories or that one of her

00:29:07.420 only memories was doing ketamine off of his private parts. And every in front of everyone,

00:29:12.580 she said, like a sex doll slash worker. Four days later on November 7th, according to the documents, 0.84

00:29:18.980 Jane Doe went to an emergency room in Ithaca and requested a rape kit. Okay. So some of these texts

00:29:27.400 show how she evolved in how she, um, in, in her perspective of what actually went down.

00:29:36.780 Okay. What about these men who, by the way, are being named on social media and the New York

00:29:42.440 times, even though the accuser is not, which I just, I don't think it's right. They're still

00:29:46.860 just accused at this point. And she is an accuser. She is getting granted anonymity and they are not

00:29:53.900 We are changing them to male number one through seven, but a lot of these outlets are actually reporting their first and last name.

00:30:02.240 So what did these young men actually say at the time?

00:30:05.480 In interviews conducted during Cornell's administrative investigation, all seven fraternity members denied any wrongdoing.

00:30:11.800 The majority of them said that Jane Doe did not appear to be intoxicated.

00:30:16.040 Four of the men acknowledged engaging in sexual activity with her, but stated that they had her consent.

00:30:21.880 that others denied participating in any sexual encounters at all. One actually said that he was

00:30:27.100 the victim of sexual misconduct because Jane Doe had performed oral sex on him when he was too 0.96

00:30:32.840 incapacitated to consent. Another male, male number three, said that Jane Doe initiated their contact 0.84

00:30:38.820 without asking for his consent. Another one of the males, it's unclear which number it was,

00:30:45.440 the New York Times names him, said, I remember the girl saying something along the lines of,

00:30:50.340 this was normal in the medieval times. Okay. And so there are conflicting reports here,

00:30:56.860 according to the initial investigation by Cornell and Cornell did do an initial investigation

00:31:03.780 shortly after Jane Doe's report, Cornell released a public statement about the serious and

00:31:08.900 deeply, deeply disturbing allegations of drug abuse and sexual violence at the Chi-Fi fraternity

00:31:15.960 House. Following Jane Doe's lawsuit, Cornell has disputed her claim that it didn't adequately

00:31:21.040 investigate or punish the alleged perpetrators. The fraternity closed down. That year has been

00:31:26.980 barred from campus ever since. People are very angry about the fact that Cornell made these

00:31:35.200 boys write essays, and that was part of their punishment. But Cornell emphasized that the

00:31:41.520 essays were not the sole consequence for any of the events involved. They investigated. They

00:31:47.040 gathered these statements from everyone involved. They passed it off to the DA. The DA again decided

00:31:52.840 that under New York law, it doesn't seem like this was rape. Like there was enough consent going on

00:31:58.900 that this could not be considered sexual assault and gang rape. The university called the events

00:32:04.780 appalling and said, we are doing all we can to foster a culture where sexual misconduct

00:32:09.400 is never tolerated. Of course, the question is, how do you define sexual misconduct? Is it only

00:32:15.900 consent? And what is actually consent? What is defined as consent or not? That's what happens

00:32:21.940 when you have this morally relativistic culture who says basically all sex that you consent to

00:32:27.220 is totally fine. None of it is misbehavior. None of it is misconduct. Well, then you're only left

00:32:32.400 with one qualification for what is right sexual behavior and what is wrong sexual behavior,

00:32:37.220 and that is consent. And that gets very slippery when alcohol and drugs are involved or when a he

00:32:42.960 said, she said situation is involved. So that's where we are right now. So the question is why

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00:34:06.900 Okay. So why weren't these men charged? This case has been difficult to prosecute as a rape case

00:34:13.100 because according to Jane Doe's own 2024 statement, she willingly got drunk and she agreed to engage 0.93

00:34:19.880 in sexual activity. I actually agree as much as I disagree with drunkenness. I agree that someone

00:34:26.340 getting drunk is not a license to other people to rape them or abuse them in any way. Um, but she 1.00

00:34:32.620 wasn't rendered unconscious. She wasn't physically forced to do anything to actually be deemed

00:34:38.620 physically helpless under New York law. A person has to be unconscious or otherwise physically

00:34:45.160 unable to communicate that they don't want an act to happen. And district attorney Van Houten said

00:34:51.020 does original statement did not show her being in that state. And we saw that, that there was like

00:34:56.180 yeah I knew what was going on but then later her perspective evolved and was like actually I don't

00:35:03.060 think it was consensual we see in some of this New York Times reporting that it was her friends

00:35:06.860 and roommates saying maybe from a good place and maybe out of care for her saying that doesn't

00:35:12.840 sound good like that doesn't sound like it went down the way you wanted it to go down but who

00:35:18.420 knows if what they are saying is actually based on fact or if out of Jane Doe's own embarrassment

00:35:23.920 and shame how she started to tell the story changed. I don't know that. You don't know that.

00:35:28.820 The prosecutors don't know that. And definitely people on social media don't know that. And yet

00:35:34.080 people are acting like they do. In a recent statement, Van Houten summarized what Doe told

00:35:38.940 Cornell University police at the time and noted that it differed from her new civil lawsuit,

00:35:43.320 which again was filed on September 16th of this year. He said her sworn November, 2024 statement

00:35:48.760 did not claim that she was drugged against her will or gang raped like the civil suit claims.

00:35:53.380 Instead, he said it described her participation in the drug use and sexual activity as voluntary,

00:35:58.780 conscious, and consensual, which I think matches to the texts that have been released

00:36:03.240 to CBS and these other outlets. Jane Doe's attorney, Thomas Gufra, I don't know how to

00:36:09.000 pronounce his last name, explained the discrepancy in her different accounts by saying that she was

00:36:15.580 traumatized, now that unable to function or accept the horror of what had happened in the days after

00:36:20.900 the events. Maybe that's true. Maybe that's not true. I don't know, but social media has responded

00:36:26.000 as if they know exactly what went down, have completely ignored any of these boys statements

00:36:32.240 who some of whom have said, actually it was me who didn't get to consent to something. Actually

00:36:36.560 it was me who is too intoxicated. Some of whom said, no, I didn't participate in it at all.

00:36:41.080 And then the other saying, yeah, I did participate, but it was consensual. In this case, it is her

00:36:47.000 word against these boys and we automatically are to believe if you just follow social media

00:36:52.540 her word because she is the accuser the court of public opinions judgment for the defendants in

00:36:58.940 the lawsuit has been swift their names and their faces are all over the internet it's currently

00:37:04.720 filled with posts like this viral one users sharing the photos and the names of the seven

00:37:08.700 accused men this person daisy someone told me i shouldn't help spread pictures of the cornell

00:37:13.620 seven guys because it might destroy their lives. Sweetie. That's what I'm counting on. And remember

00:37:19.300 they got these, they, they got their names. They got their, uh, pictures because of the campus,

00:37:26.700 um, newspaper, their original reporting. So it's not like they're revealing new information.

00:37:33.600 In some of these cases, they're just circulating their names, circulating their faces in an effort

00:37:39.140 to try to get them accountability and punishment that a lot of these people didn't feel that they

00:37:46.360 got. There was also a man who was accidentally served in the suit. He never actually attended

00:37:52.540 Cornell, but he had the same name as one of the defendants, but his identity, who he is,

00:37:58.680 this guy who was like, who was wrongly served this lawsuit has, you know, gone all over social

00:38:03.800 media. And as a result, he's been terrorized. He's been threatened. He has been harassed,

00:38:07.440 according to his mother. Then you have celebrities who are pushing one particular side of the story

00:38:13.660 and one particular narrative. You have Florence Pugh. She says, a drugged gang rape takes action

00:38:19.840 in conversations. It immediately makes me wonder, had it been in the works for a while? Was the

00:38:25.420 damage of this poor woman's body thought about over and over before? Every single person who

00:38:30.300 knew or heard about this happening should be looked at with serious concern. They're as evil

00:38:34.340 as those planning it, et cetera, et cetera.

00:38:38.420 And then Josh Gad, I don't know that name from Frozen.

00:38:43.320 When we start setting a precedent 0.98

00:38:44.580 that our girls and women can be brutally raped

00:38:46.840 and the resulting disciplinary action

00:38:48.380 is to hand out essays about why it was wrong

00:38:52.260 to brutally violate an innocent girl,

00:38:54.040 we have lost our minds.

00:38:56.260 And then he goes on and on, enough.

00:39:00.680 Jamila Jamil, who I think was an actress

00:39:03.420 and also a feminist.

00:39:06.800 I think the likes of the Cornell Seven 1.00

00:39:08.000 shouldn't be allowed penises anymore. 0.99

00:39:10.280 They use them as weapons, 0.99

00:39:11.560 so now they have to get confiscated.

00:39:13.940 Okay, then she has emojis

00:39:15.460 showing what she would like to happen.

00:39:17.760 And then, of course, we have AOC weighing in.

00:39:20.040 Here she is, saw one. 0.99

00:39:22.480 Seven men drugged and gang raped a 20-year-old woman.

00:39:30.000 they lured her in to a fraternity house they drugged her with ketamine they then posted to 0.82

00:39:38.580 a group chat that she was incapacitated and seven men took turns gang raping her for seven hours

00:39:46.860 we actually don't have an indication that that is true like that's not what seems to be reported

00:39:55.720 by any of these outlets it doesn't even seem to be exactly what she alleges happened either

00:40:01.180 originally or later now she does change she does change whether she believes she was consenting

00:40:06.580 or how much of the time and how long and how much she actually wanted to do who she liked didn't

00:40:11.020 like some of that absolutely did change but it doesn't even seem like when she is filing this

00:40:16.660 on september 16th that her description of the events match exactly what aoc just said there's

00:40:24.100 always exaggeration in order to fit a particular narrative, which I just find really troubling when

00:40:30.140 it comes to real people's lives and justice. The truth is we still need more details. We still need

00:40:35.980 answers before we can determine if this was a miscarriage of justice, if this was some kind of

00:40:40.820 cover-up, such as why did the district attorney's office never apparently receive the full 120-page

00:40:48.720 transcript of the investigation and all of the interviews from Cornell's campus police.

00:40:54.120 I would also love to know, like, is that normal? Did the district attorney's office

00:40:58.340 ask for that and they didn't get it? Or was this just standard procedure? But remember,

00:41:03.260 Jane Doe did sign off on the six page summary and said that she was confident in that summary

00:41:07.700 that that fully represented what happened. And she was asked multiple times. Again,

00:41:12.680 she even had a sexual assault advocate who was saying, like, do you want me to look over this?

00:41:17.620 And so the original summary of what happened from 2024 that was given to the DA's office

00:41:23.860 in which they said, there's just not enough here to say that she didn't consent to this

00:41:27.420 or that there wasn't consent involved here.

00:41:30.060 She signed off on that question.

00:41:32.760 Why was Jane Doe's claim that she was 100% sure that she was raped left out of that six

00:41:38.660 page statement that she signed?

00:41:40.280 That seems to have come later.

00:41:42.500 What other key details are missing?

00:41:44.560 Is there anything to what any of the boys said, what these men said in this investigation,

00:41:50.960 that they were also lacking consent, that they were intoxicated, that she didn't seem

00:41:55.260 intoxicated, that she seemed to have consented.

00:41:59.540 All of these things, all of these stipulations and questions, I guess, are not interesting

00:42:04.300 to Letitia James.

00:42:05.500 They're not interesting to Governor Hochul.

00:42:07.540 They're not interesting to AOC.

00:42:09.460 They're not interesting to Florence Pugh or Josh Gad or any of these celebrities online

00:42:13.840 and any of the people that I'm following, I see you who are just repeating the talking points

00:42:20.340 over and over again about what happened to this girl. It is not necessary to compromise on the

00:42:26.340 truth in order to be compassionate unless your motive for showing your compassion is just a

00:42:32.980 virtue signal. But if it's actually to speak the truth in love, to show true godly compassion,

00:42:39.120 then you have to be willing to be unpopular, to ask unpopular questions, to not be the very first

00:42:45.260 to post, oh my goodness, this is exactly what happened. And this is injustice. And take a step

00:42:50.440 back and say, I want to know what really happened. I'll tell you, I've gotten a ton, a ton, a ton of

00:42:54.780 messages. Why aren't you talking about this? You talk about Lindsey Clancy. Why don't you talk

00:42:58.980 about, why don't you talk about this? Like it's some sort of gotcha. Look, this is a really big

00:43:04.400 case. There are a lot of layers to it. I guarantee we'll probably continue to talk about it if we're

00:43:08.860 able to, because there's just so many parts of it. I'm not saying I know everything that went down,

00:43:14.020 but neither do you, neither does Florence Pugh, neither does AOC. We don't know everything that

00:43:20.480 went down. And I am not going to automatically say that Jane Doe is correct. And some of these 0.97

00:43:25.860 men who have contrary, uh, uh, contrary stories are not, I don't think we know. And I don't think

00:43:33.020 justice has been carried out yet in that we have not been able to fairly hear from both sides,

00:43:39.720 which by the way, it's not our, they're not obligated to tell us both sides of this.

00:43:44.300 This needs to be carried out in the court of law. If there is enough there for this to go to trial,

00:43:51.360 by the way, originally the DA didn't think it was, but if so, it needs to go to a court of law

00:43:56.220 and then it needs to see impartial justice and due process. That's what needs to happen.

00:44:01.280 and we need to stop pretending like we are the judge and jury based on narratives and bits of 0.99

00:44:07.680 information and our preconceived notion that a woman is always right. So there are, of course, 0.99

00:44:15.560 just like the Lindsay Clancy thing. It's not exactly like the Lindsay Clancy thing. I'm not

00:44:20.180 saying that this woman did the same thing as Lindsay Clancy. I'm not saying that. I'm just

00:44:23.080 saying in the virality of it and the virality of the opinions and how that just snowballs. We

00:44:29.740 see a lot of these social media trends right now when it comes to this young woman,

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00:45:18.080 okay so hashtag i am jane doe is trending right now here's what that looks like saw two

00:45:28.100 you've met jane doe before you might not have realized it at the time but you have

00:45:33.140 you may have passed her in the street she could have poured the milk into your coffee or help

00:45:37.200 deliver your wife's baby read your kid a story you might have said good morning to her on a walk

00:45:41.600 there's a chance that jane doe has smiled at you as you've held open the door jane could even live

00:45:46.500 in your house she could put the kettle on after a long day always know where your keys are but

00:45:50.780 has never made it known that she is jane doe okay um so basically jane doe could be anyone someone

00:45:58.640 who experiences sexual assault could be anyone and then here's another tiktokers takes out three

00:46:04.580 and the thing that breaks my heart the most about the cornell rape case and jane doe is that the guy

00:46:08.700 that invited her to the frat house that night was her friend it wasn't a random man that snatched

00:46:14.040 her up while she was walking through an alley. It was her friend, who she trusted, who invited her

00:46:18.660 out after she, as a minor, had been served at a bar. She was already drunk. He coerced her into

00:46:23.320 doing drugs. And then he raped her. His friends raped her. He posted on his fraternity group chat 1.00

00:46:29.680 for more men to rape her. He did drugs off of her body. He had his friends do drugs off of her body. 1.00

00:46:35.240 He forced her to do drugs off his body. And he continued to do so for seven hours.

00:46:40.500 okay she wasn't a minor i just want to say that she wasn't a minor she was under 21

00:46:46.300 she was illegally drinking that is true but she was 20 so i just think not that that makes this

00:46:52.860 whole thing good but again that just goes to show you get on social media you go viral you say

00:46:57.520 anything you say that one extra thing that's going to make it even worse to try to get people

00:47:02.840 to react to you and then it builds this entire story that's not even true that seven guys

00:47:07.380 raped a minor, what, a 15-year-old for seven hours after feeding her drugs and alcohol?

00:47:15.260 That's not actually what went down. Those are not the facts that we see.

00:47:21.040 Here is what I think is the biblical perspective on this. These men were not her friend. They were

00:47:27.380 not her friend, even the one that was kind of nice to her, male number one, not the men that

00:47:30.940 she said, yeah, I'm attracted to you. I'll bring you cigs later. Let's do it again with you and

00:47:35.780 him, but not these other guys. None of these men were her friends because this is not what friends

00:47:41.600 do. This is not what people do who respect another human being, respect women, respect anyone.

00:47:47.940 They should have helped her get a ride home. If they noticed that she was intoxicated,

00:47:51.980 they shouldn't have propositioned her for group sex. She also shouldn't have participated. She

00:47:56.420 shouldn't have been there. She shouldn't have been doing drugs. She shouldn't have been drinking. 1.00

00:48:01.280 she shouldn't have consented to any of this. Am I saying that she is responsible for every bit of

00:48:07.700 it? Am I saying for sure that there was never a time that she couldn't consent? I don't know.

00:48:13.460 Am I saying that because she said once that is saying yes every single time. And so there is no

00:48:19.820 part of the night where she became a victim. No, I am not saying that for sure, but you can't say

00:48:24.980 anything for sure either. That is the point that I am making that it is her word against these men's

00:48:30.480 word. And I will not just assume that she is correct because she's a woman or she is correct

00:48:35.700 because she is an accuser. Because when I look at justice and how due process should work, I want to 0.98

00:48:40.680 go all the way back to the old Testament where God creates the law, that the God who created

00:48:45.820 justice. And I see a couple of things in the principles that he puts forth when it comes to

00:48:50.540 law giving. And when it comes to justice, one, that there should be no partiality. So that means

00:48:55.660 I am not going to give the benefit of the doubt more to the woman or to the man, more to the poor 0.81

00:49:02.360 or to the rich, more to the black or to the white. I'm not going to do that. That is partiality. That 0.81

00:49:08.260 is assuming someone's innocence or guilt based on these kind of arbitrary standards. But in truth,

00:49:14.640 God says, you shall judge your neighbor. Another principle that I see in scripture is the principle

00:49:22.020 of equality between the accuser and the accused when it comes to rights, that the accuser has a

00:49:29.660 process by which they can follow to make their case and accuse their neighbor, accuse someone

00:49:35.660 of their community of committing a wrong. But the accused also has rights. The accused can only be

00:49:42.720 prosecuted for certain crimes with the agreement of two or three eyewitnesses. And so God doesn't

00:49:51.000 say if you accuse someone or if you are accused of something, then you are guilty. There is

00:49:55.400 actually a process that has to be gone through to prove someone's guilt before doling out a

00:50:00.920 punishment. And in the old Testament, if someone accuses someone of a crime, say there was a man

00:50:07.740 who accused another man of murder and it wasn't actually true. He was telling a lie. Well, the

00:50:12.620 man who falsely accused the other man of murder would then be liable for the same penalty as the

00:50:19.120 man he accused would have been if he had been proven guilty, and that would be execution.

00:50:25.720 So false accusations carried the possibility of the death penalty in the Old Testament.

00:50:31.760 That's how much God cares about impartiality. That's how much God cares about the truth.

00:50:37.020 That's how much he cares about both the accused and the accuser. That is how he says that we

00:50:41.740 should judge justly and righteously. And so I am not going to assume based on ideology that the

00:50:49.620 woman is always right, that her tale of how everything went down, especially knowing that

00:50:55.040 she was extremely intoxicated is 100% accurate. I just don't know. Or we don't know that she was

00:51:02.680 extremely intoxicated, but she says she was extremely intoxicated. And so there's a little

00:51:07.720 bit of confusion there. Like, is your word trustworthy or is it not? And how much were

00:51:13.360 these men also able to consent? I'm not going to assume that they are in the wrong. They were

00:51:18.280 the perpetrators just because they are men. And just because they weren't the ones who filed the

00:51:23.760 report. This is what I've said. And I will say it again. People ask me if you could change one

00:51:30.500 thing overnight, like one policy, one thing that happens, like one trend or cultural brokenness,

00:51:37.960 what would it be? And I said, sex outside of marriage, sex outside of marriage, sexual activity 0.68

00:51:43.700 outside of marriage. If that ended, think about everything that would end. Unwanted pregnancies

00:51:50.060 would end. Rape would end. Uh, pedophilia, the rape of children, sex trafficking, that would end 1.00

00:51:56.540 the infidelity that would end. Maybe there would be some cases of like an unwanted surprise 0.98

00:52:02.200 pregnancy, but it would be very rare that a woman would be left alone. If sex only happened within 0.77

00:52:08.240 the context of marriage ever one man, one woman for life. If that was the only time that sexual 0.60

00:52:14.620 activity occurred, so many of our social ills, so many broken bodies and broken hearts would be

00:52:22.020 avoided. People think I'm so crazy for choosing that one of all of the social problems that we

00:52:28.180 have, but sex is special. Sex is different. People like to say, oh, all sin is equal, but not all sin 0.66

00:52:35.060 is the same. First Corinthians 6, 18 says this flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin

00:52:41.120 a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own

00:52:46.520 body. And that's why it's tragic. That's why it's so tragic. If I were a friend or a mentor

00:52:52.220 to this young woman, you know, some people are saying online, I don't feel bad for her. She

00:52:56.880 chose this. Well, I don't feel bad for her because I know 100% she's a victim of gang rape. I don't 0.98

00:53:02.100 know that. But if I had this personal relationship with this girl, of course I would feel bad for her

00:53:06.220 and I would feel sad and I would feel sad for everyone involved because I would want to know,

00:53:11.640 why did you do this? Why did you make this decision? What led you there? And I know you're

00:53:15.980 dealing with shame, but the best way to deal with that is to bring it to light and the most

00:53:20.800 truthful, transparent way. And then to ask God for forgiveness and he will be faithful to give

00:53:26.800 it to you and to repent from sexual immorality. But you have to know that what you did was wrong,

00:53:31.760 that your body has been bought with a price, that it's worth more than that, that you are made in

00:53:35.880 God's image, that no pleasure that you got from those sexual interactions is ever going to

00:53:41.380 satisfy you, it is only going to make you feel broken. And she knows that like the existence of

00:53:47.460 the guilt and the shame and all of that is not the existence of some stigma or proof that she

00:53:52.080 was raped. It is us being made in God's image. It's the human heart, like being able to understand

00:53:57.640 that what I did was shameful and wrong. First Thessalonians four, three through five, for this

00:54:03.180 is the will of God, your sanctification, your progressive holiness, that you abstain from

00:54:08.540 sexual immorality that each one of you know how to control his own body and holiness and honor, 0.89

00:54:14.460 not in the passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God. And there's also a warning here 0.95

00:54:22.120 about filling our bodies with things that control us. Ephesians 5, 18, and do not get drunk with

00:54:28.920 wine for that is debauchery, but be filled with the spirit. Isn't that such an interesting

00:54:33.340 juxtaposition? Do not get drunk with wine for that is debauchery, but be filled with something

00:54:38.160 else. Filled with drugs and alcohol, filled with the spirit, whatever fills you, controls you.

00:54:43.860 Whatever fills you, compels you. Whatever fills you, prohibits, inhibits you in one way or another.

00:54:52.500 And of course, that's what alcohol does. That's what drugs do. But the Holy Spirit can also do

00:54:56.760 that in a good way. So whatever fills you, controls you. If you're going to be filled

00:55:01.680 with these substances, you will be controlled by these substances. And that doesn't remove

00:55:06.840 all of your responsibility. Hebrews 13, four, let marriage be held in honor among all and let the

00:55:12.100 marriage bed be undefiled for God will judge the sexually immoral and the adulterous. Sex is a gift 0.90

00:55:17.360 from God. It's a gift of pleasure and procreation that bonds a man and a woman and holy matrimony. 1.00

00:55:24.600 So the two will become one flesh. It's a beautiful union. We don't believe in asceticism. We don't

00:55:31.100 believe, um, in Christianity, that the body is bad, that all sexual pleasure is bad, but we believe

00:55:36.740 like all things it is to be done in a certain context that can eliminate, or at least mitigate

00:55:43.360 the heartbreak and the pain that comes from sexual immorality. And so really that's, I mean,

00:55:51.900 that's, that's really what I would say. If I, if I knew this young woman, there is absolutely

00:55:57.140 an element of heartbreak and compassion that I have for her because she is lost. And these young

00:56:02.720 men are clearly lost and they have been convinced that temporal pleasure is going to give them

00:56:08.500 satisfaction. And they are seeing that there are lots and lots of problems that come with that.

00:56:12.920 But that also does not justify all of the judge and jury that we're seeing all over TikTok that

00:56:18.580 are just assuming that these men are the only ones who are responsible. Remember that the thief

00:56:24.760 comes only to steal, kill, and destroy. And Jesus came that we might have life and have it abundantly,

00:56:31.460 John 10, 10. Proverbs 14, 12 reminds us that there is a way that seems right to man.

00:56:36.760 And maybe you could replace, this is just my interpretation, maybe you could also replace

00:56:41.080 right with that seems satisfying, that seems fulfilling, that seems to be a good direction,

00:56:47.880 but in its end, or its end is the way to death. God's ways are better. God's ways are better.

00:56:54.760 I remember people used to make fun of Mike Pence for saying that he's only going to be alone with 0.54

00:57:00.100 one woman and that's his life. Mike Pence avoids these kinds of situations. Um, there were a lot

00:57:06.160 of bad decisions made all around, and I'm just not ready to say 100% that I know what the verdict

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00:58:01.640 All right, that's all we've got time for today, y'all.

00:58:04.440 I am so excited about Share the Arrows.

00:58:06.380 It is going to be here so soon.

00:58:09.300 And some of you have asked, okay,

00:58:10.620 for those of us who are not going to be at Share the Arrows,

00:58:13.000 when are we gonna see your announcement?

00:58:14.480 You will see it.

00:58:15.100 You will see it.

00:58:16.320 probably the next day, but it's exclusively for our share the arrows attendees first,

00:58:21.760 and then you will all will get to see it and take part of it. It is like nothing that we've

00:58:26.260 ever done that we've ever built that we've ever launched before. Some of you have guessed. Is it

00:58:30.640 documentary? No. Is it a book? No. Is it, uh, a line of socks that you have to wear on the

00:58:38.040 airplane? So you're never barefoot while air traveling. No, but good idea. Um, it's really

00:58:43.280 fun though. And I'm so excited for you guys to finally see it. All right. That's all we've got

00:58:47.080 time for today. We will be back here on Wednesday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 05, 2026

Ep 1404 ｜ The “Cornell 7” Men Have Spoken—I Couldn’t Believe What They Said

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