00:16:47.700So Alex Cooper though, she has this professor on Kate Mann to talk about the Cornell seven1.00
00:16:54.960case and to talk about rape culture and how awful this thing is and to give a deeper look at what
00:17:01.300actually happened with this investigation. Um, man says all kinds of things that I think are just
00:17:07.740worth responding to because they might seem small or interpretation of how things went down,
00:17:14.820but this is what pushes a particular narrative. And just because a narrative sounds compassionate
00:17:20.020or sounds mostly right or mostly good, doesn't mean that we should go along with it because
00:17:24.820when we're dealing with accusations and we're dealing with image bearers of God that are
00:17:29.520accusing or being accused, the truth really matters. It matters to God. And so it matters
00:17:33.760to us. So man kind of constructs this case, this professor by saying, basically Cornell,
00:17:39.400let these guys do what they wanted to do and they weren't sufficiently punished. So maybe that
00:17:44.360speaks to some kind of corruption due to the, to the patriarchy. I'm kind of reading in between
00:17:48.740lines, but it doesn't take that much deductive reasoning to understand that that is the picture
00:17:53.140that they're trying to paint, Sot 7. But maybe an even bigger problem is they condensed hours
00:17:59.380of her testimony, including the statement, I am 100% confident I was raped. They deleted that
00:18:07.020from her statement and condensed it into a mere six pages, which they then gave to the Tompkins
00:18:12.240County DA, who then did nothing on that basis. So they elided her saying, I was raped from her0.81
00:18:20.700testimony. Isn't that shocking? Okay. See, this is how just pay attention to how things can be0.92
00:18:27.200presented fractionally and sound really compelling. Okay. There are some other podcasters out there in
00:18:34.000the world that do things like this. They present something that is technically true. You hear it
00:18:38.820out of context. You don't even know everything else. And you think, obviously that is evidence
00:18:42.820of corruption. Someone will listen to this podcast and they'll say, wow, I am educated on what
00:18:48.460happened because they listened to someone who has professor in her title. This is not the entire
00:18:54.580truth. It is true that in the six page summary from campus police, that her quote that was
00:19:01.320reported by the New York times in the full investigation, I can say with a hundred percent
00:19:06.040confidence, I was raped that it was not included. But remember that six page summary of the 120
00:19:12.90020 page transcript of the full investigation was agreed to, was signed off on by Jane Doe herself.
00:19:21.780She reviewed a draft. She made 20 handwritten notes and corrections. They took those notes
00:19:27.360and corrections. They sent her back a final version. This is according to the New York
00:19:31.440Times. She signed off on the final version. As we talked about last week, her own advocates were
00:19:37.400like, Hey, like we just want to double check to make sure. Do you want us to look over it again?
00:19:41.480are you good with how this all sounds? Do you feel that it's accurate? She said that she was
00:19:45.420confident in it, that she was confident in the six page summary by campus police that was given
00:19:50.560to the DA. Now you could ask why, but why did they take out that statement that was in the
00:19:56.820fuller transcript of that? She was a hundred percent confident that she was raped. I'm not
00:20:01.760sure. And I also don't know that it matters. The whole assumption of why they were sending this to
00:20:07.000the DA was that she was accusing these men of rape. Like, I don't think the DA was confused
00:20:12.380about that. They understood that that's the allegation that is being made. And that is why
00:20:17.100they are getting this report from Cornell. What difference would it make if they included the
00:20:21.880quote of her saying that again, that was the entire underlying presupposition here. That was
00:20:27.180why they were getting this document. It's also very common to condense an extremely long interview
00:20:34.360into a shorter statement. That's just standard practice for law enforcement. So there wasn't
00:20:39.720anything there per se that was sketchy. Now she goes on to say, but the campus also didn't do
00:20:49.000enough. So maybe there's something kind of nefarious going on here. We'll get to that in
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00:21:51.720so here is professor mann saying that cornell just did not do enough in this investigation
00:22:01.340and then they expel two students so that's good but five of the seven are left free to graduate
00:22:09.280and it is very hard for me to understand admittedly not privy to all of the ins and
00:22:14.980outs of the internal investigation because none of us are but it is hard for me to understand why
00:22:20.160Jane Doe ends up dropping out and not getting her tuition refunded while five of the seven men who
00:22:28.420she alleged attacked her are left free to graduate with a Cornell degree. Okay. So again, partly true
00:22:36.620here. Two of these seven men who are accused of being involved in what she called, what Jane Doe
00:22:42.820called a sexual assault were expelled. And they were expelled because they were found responsible
00:22:49.520by the disciplinary panel at Cornell of exploiting her for allowing for her sexual assault, even
00:22:55.640being responsible for sexual assault. I do think it's important to note though, that those two
00:23:00.400students who were expelled because they were found responsible for those actions were never
00:23:04.660found guilty of any crime in a criminal court. Again, I'm not saying one way or the other,
00:23:09.980whether that exonerates them completely, but I do think it's important. Like, okay,
00:23:14.040if you raped someone and you committed sexual assault, then you should go to prison. And so0.99
00:23:19.760there's some kind of discrepancy there. Either Cornell did too much because they were afraid
00:23:24.000and they were like, we don't want the blowback. We want to be able to say that we took this
00:23:27.220seriously. Or the DA just didn't do enough. The DA of course, defense themselves saying they did
00:23:33.600everything that they possibly could and didn't find enough evidence. You could also say maybe
00:23:37.680there's some discrepancy between what Cornell calls a sexual assault and what New York law
00:23:41.860calls a sexual assault. So Cornell did what they could. The DA did what they could. That's also a
00:23:46.620possibility. There are lots of possibilities beyond Cornell is just corrupt and wanted to
00:23:50.920protect rapists. According to the court documents he filed in Tompkins County, New York Supreme Court
00:23:57.300in March, one of the other students who were punished. So this is one of one of the people
00:24:03.100who's included in the seven, but not one of the ones who got expelled. Um, he said that he was
00:24:09.620punished by the university. He had to have a no contact order with Jane Doe. He had to do a few0.72
00:24:16.160other things, including write a paper. He said that he was punished, but he, that, that he never
00:24:22.340actually committed any of the infractions that he was accused of, that he says he never even
00:24:28.500saw her naked. He never saw her in distress. His infraction was receiving the terrible text message
00:24:36.080or a terrible message in the Snapchat fraternity group chat that said free P word. He says that
00:24:41.740he came in to check on Jane Doe to make sure that everything was okay. According to CBS,
00:24:46.800his testimony says that he was in the room for five minutes, that he, again, didn't see her do
00:24:51.380drugs or high or anything, didn't even see her naked, asked her if she was okay. He said that
00:24:57.120she responded, I'm good. It says that she did not seem inebriated at all. Again, that is his
00:25:02.740testimony and the disciplinary panel did not find him responsible for sexual assault or sexual,
00:25:09.220um, for sexual exploitation. The one accusation that Jane Doe gave about this guy was that he
00:25:17.360snorted ketamine off of her body, but the investigation actually found no evidence of that.
00:25:22.260Uh, he got a drug test. They took a hair follicle to test for ketamine and that came back negative.
00:25:28.980so he has appealed this decision because he's like look there was no evidence of what i was
00:25:35.080accused of and yet i was still punished by the university so when you see people saying oh they
00:25:41.160were made to write a paper they were made to write a paper well actually it is possible that even that
00:25:47.260punishment was too much for some of the people involved and by the way two of them were expelled
00:25:54.040Um, so I think it's actually more, more troubling or at least more of a question.
00:26:00.260Like if someone can be punished for attempted sexual exploitation, but not proven sexual
00:26:06.440exploitation for just like walking into a room after receiving a text, like, is there
00:26:10.960actually any due process going on here?0.96
00:26:13.760Now, man also says this professor, um, that we just have to believe women.
00:26:19.560We just have to believe Jane Doe sought nine.
00:26:22.800Well, so what we see in this particular case, if her allegations are true, and again, I am just going to state candidly for the record, I believe Jane Doe.
00:26:35.380So if what she alleges is true, those seven men acted in a way that was just irredeemably entitled.
00:26:44.820They acted like they were utterly entitled to take what they wanted from her, not because I think they were all that interested in her as a human being, but because they wanted to show off to each other and get points in an intramasculine hierarchy.