Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 398 ｜ The Vaccine Passport & What It Means

00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to relatable happy tuesday today we are talking about the vaccine

00:00:14.700 passports what they are what they mean what are some of the privacy implications the ethical

00:00:21.620 consequences to this vaccine passport you guys have been asking me to talk about this for a while

00:00:26.780 we're also going to uh talk about this new york times article that said it is you guessed it white

00:00:33.720 evangelicals the media's favorite scapegoat that's actually going to stop the vaccine effort

00:00:42.240 and then this question of if the vaccine is the mark of the beast the answer is no but we're going

00:00:49.820 to talk about why um and then if we have time we're going to talk about some of the stuff that's

00:00:54.860 happening in georgia all of these companies boycotting georgia because of their uh new

00:01:00.440 voting law why it's just insane and why i actually think it's good that republicans are pushing back

00:01:05.960 on this and we'll talk about whether that's cancel culture or not a lot of you guys want me to also

00:01:11.800 talk about um rachel hollis and uh the hot water that she's gotten herself into over the last week 0.99

00:01:19.500 or so because of a video that she made you guys know if you've read my book i strongly disagree

00:01:25.440 with rachel hollis on her life philosophy and in particular her theology um so we're probably going

00:01:31.680 to talk about that tomorrow i will talk about that and again what that has to do with cancel culture if

00:01:38.360 it's cancel culture so we'll talk about that but that's probably going to be tomorrow uh today

00:01:44.840 per your vote on instagram we are going to talk about these vaccine passports so just a little

00:01:52.280 context uh about what they are like what are we even dealing with some of you guys i'm the only

00:01:58.460 connection that you have to the news so maybe you don't even really know that this is going on and

00:02:03.040 so i've got to inform you about what this even is according to the washington post the biden

00:02:07.840 administration and private companies are working to develop a standard way of handling credentials

00:02:13.480 often referred to as vaccine passports that would allow americans to prove they have been

00:02:18.160 vaccinated against the novel coronavirus as businesses try to reopen the effort has gained

00:02:23.640 momentum amid president biden's pledge that the nation will start to regain normalcy this summer

00:02:28.080 and with a growing number of companies from cruise lines to sports teams saying they will require

00:02:33.560 proof of vaccination before opening their doors again by the way this is already happening in

00:02:38.600 in new york they have something called like the excelsior pass um that is actually required to get into

00:02:44.440 some places like for example um a mets game there are already a lot of concerns with how that is rolling

00:02:51.860 out privacy concerns being shared and access concerns too for people who haven't gotten um vaccines and so

00:03:00.140 we're already kind of seeing some of uh the some of the concerns playing out in places like new york

00:03:09.120 the washington post says the passports are expected to be free and available through applications for

00:03:14.840 smartphones which could display a scannable code similar to an airline boarding pass americans without

00:03:20.600 smartphone access should be able to print out the passports developers have said and so

00:03:27.560 basically after you get your vaccine you're going to have an app on your phone most of you especially

00:03:35.020 if you're listening to this i can assume have an iphone or you have a smartphone of some sort and so

00:03:41.020 you will be required if you want to enter into certain businesses or certain events you will be

00:03:47.880 required to show your vaccination status and joe biden has been pushing and promoting this idea

00:03:55.400 so this is not necessarily um something that is um federally being rolled out this is not necessarily

00:04:04.520 a government vaccine passport this is being developed by private companies but in partnership

00:04:11.580 with the federal government and of course the biden administration does very much support it and

00:04:18.140 the concern that people have is where is this information going that's that's one of the concerns

00:04:24.360 is your information your medical information i mean that's that's what this is your vaccination status

00:04:30.480 who is it being released to is it being released to the federal government is it going in some

00:04:36.480 kind of database like what are the privacy protections that we have here when it comes to our personal

00:04:43.620 and our health information what other information do these apps actually have access to do i want that

00:04:50.620 information to be given to these major corporations to keep tabs on me and to know whether or not i've

00:04:57.080 gotten vaccinated and by the way we've also heard from people like dr fauci and other so-called medical

00:05:03.100 experts that this might be like a flu shot and so it's not just that you get the covid vaccine once

00:05:09.060 and you're all good like some other shots that we have but it may very well be something that people

00:05:14.020 have to get every year and so just because you've already gotten the the vaccine um and you might

00:05:19.900 think well i'm good to go with my vaccine passport i can get in anywhere i want to well maybe not it's

00:05:24.840 probably going to actually um you're going to have a new deadline or a new requirement that you have to

00:05:31.220 meet every year in order for uh you to gain access to spaces through your vaccine passport and then

00:05:38.980 these companies and maybe the government whoever has access to the information in these apps is going

00:05:45.600 to know whether or not you've gotten vaccinated and the question is like what other um what other

00:05:51.740 punishments or what other benefits are going to be assigned or afforded to you based on your

00:05:58.560 vaccination status and i just want to say up front people who have concerns with this who are asking

00:06:05.080 these questions are simply thinking critically like it's called deductive reasoning there is this

00:06:10.820 knee-jerk reaction in particular by people on the left nowadays that seems to say if you ask any

00:06:17.040 questions of technology companies if you ask any questions of social media companies if you have any

00:06:21.780 privacy concerns if you have any questions about the integrity of elections or you're just wondering

00:06:28.720 about the efficacy of the covid 19 vaccine in the context of everything that's going on then

00:06:33.980 you're an anti-vax conspiracy theorist look there are a lot of people that have concerns of me being

00:06:40.340 one of them a lot of people who have concerns about the vaccine passport who are not anti-vaccine in

00:06:46.920 general um and there are a lot of people who are asking questions about the motivations behind this the

00:06:53.620 profit that's being made from this um the long-term goals and consequences of this who have no problem

00:07:00.900 with vaccination in general have no problem you know with public private partnerships have no problem

00:07:08.500 with advancements in technology but are concerned about threats to our individual liberty to our

00:07:15.020 personal safety to our personal privacy okay so anyone on the other side who says well you're just a

00:07:20.340 conspiracy theorist actually i think that you are a moron if you don't have questions about the safety of 0.66

00:07:28.340 the sap i know that's a little intense uh but if you are not asking questions about what the

00:07:35.740 implications are to your privacy to your safety the social consequences of this kind of stuff like

00:07:43.160 you've got your head in the sand i think me saying that that is a moronic thing not to question or 0.51

00:07:49.240 is a moronic thing to do to stick your head in the sand i think that that is putting it lightly

00:07:52.980 that's actually very kind and gracious of me we just got to critically think we've got to ask

00:07:59.180 questions this is how things slip away when we just start to automatically accept changes that are

00:08:04.980 happening especially when it comes to the government and major corporations and we don't consider for a

00:08:10.080 second how this might affect us how this might affect our children how this might affect the most

00:08:14.680 vulnerable in our society and what the negative consequences could be when did it become cool

00:08:19.740 to just accept whatever bureaucrats say to just accept whatever these major corporations want to

00:08:27.520 impose on us to just accept anything that dr fauci says like when did that become the like intellectual

00:08:35.180 sophisticated stance to just not think i mean that is some orwellian nonsense and i will repeat

00:08:43.980 moronic nonsense and so i think it's okay for us to just ask questions about this without trying to

00:08:52.500 cast people who do ask those questions as not following the science or something crazy like that

00:08:59.480 the new england journal of medicine writes this using covet 19 vaccine passports to tailor restrictions

00:09:06.820 however has drawn staunch opposition based on several weighty concerns first while vaccine supply remains

00:09:12.440 limited privileging people who are fortunate enough to have gained early access is morally

00:09:16.900 questionable it's morally wrong it's morally wrong period second even after supply constraints

00:09:23.400 ease rates of vaccination among racial minorities and low-income populations seem likely to remain

00:09:28.980 disproportionately low now this is something that i also want to bring up and why i think that there

00:09:34.940 there is actually a chance of um these vaccine passports not being ubiquitous not being quite as pervasive as

00:09:43.360 they seem to um as it seems like they will be right now because you also have some concerns coming from the

00:09:51.800 left in particular about equity that this is going to disproportionately affect poor people this is going to

00:09:58.560 disproportionately affect people of color this is going to disproportionately affect people that many

00:10:04.320 consider marginalized they don't have necessarily as much access now what's not talked about is that a lot of

00:10:11.340 these uh a lot of these minority communities simply don't want to get the vaccine it's not always about access

00:10:18.320 by the way but there are some concerns about so-called equity and the equality of distribution of this vaccine

00:10:26.480 and people are afraid that disproportionately people of color are going to become second-class citizens

00:10:31.280 because they're not going to be able to access the things that everyone who was able to get the vaccine

00:10:36.900 are able to access and so there are even some racial concerns and as we know racial concerns uh rule

00:10:46.420 right now and so if there's something that's going to change these woke companies minds about this vaccine

00:10:53.880 passport rollout then it might possibly be this um the new england journal of medicine continues

00:11:01.780 if history is a guide programs that confer social privilege on the basis of fitness can lead to

00:11:07.140 invidious discrimination of course that's already what happens in china they've got a social credit system 0.63

00:11:13.040 where you are you're surveilled every citizen of china is completely and totally surveilled they do not 1.00

00:11:20.360 have a right to privacy there's nothing called individual liberty everything that they say everything

00:11:26.420 that they express everything that they do is watched closely by the government they are given social

00:11:33.080 credit points based on things that the government wants them to do that is tracked through technology

00:11:39.460 many of them um are tracked uh through their phones and so this is already happening in other parts of the

00:11:46.760 world and the fear is that this is just going to open um open the gates for this kind of thing this kind

00:11:53.720 of social credit surveillance system happening in the united states that it won't actually stop with

00:12:00.540 the vaccines that it will go into uh that it will go into other realms um and that it is not going to stop

00:12:10.280 at the end of this year or at the end of next year that it's going to be forever and it's going to start

00:12:15.580 taking over other parts of our lives that's a problem like that is a problem do you not see how

00:12:23.080 that's a problem how that should be a concern for everyone whether you're on the left or the right

00:12:28.240 israel already has vaccine passports according to cnn israel boasts one of the highest vaccination rates

00:12:34.940 in the world with more than 50 of its population having received both doses of the vaccine

00:12:41.580 and now they have a green pass that is on their phones that is distributed by the government

00:12:47.660 that allows them access to activities that largely disappeared over the past year as the word social

00:12:53.060 distancing and lockdown entered the lexicon the green pass is authorized by israel's ministry of health

00:12:58.880 it can be a physical document or downloaded to a person's phone it's required for going to the gym

00:13:05.280 dining outside um at a restaurant with 75 capacity with a hundred person limit attending a theater

00:13:12.540 performance um people apparently in israel are very excited about this i'm sure there's a lot of people

00:13:17.900 who also have the same kind of privacy concerns that we have but apparently from what we see in israel

00:13:23.740 people are liking this because this means that they can actually go out and do the things that they

00:13:28.680 um that they want to do this is um a different country with different sentiments perhaps than the

00:13:36.100 united states and other countries but that is i do want to be fair and show the other side of this

00:13:41.160 the people who are excited about this are saying look whatever it takes for us to get back to normal

00:13:46.040 whatever it takes for us to be able to access the things that we love and do the things that we want

00:13:51.500 to love and if this and or do the things that we love um and if this is what it takes for

00:13:57.680 you know people to feel comfortable and for businesses to operate safely then this is what

00:14:02.380 it takes and it's absolutely worth it and so there's definitely that perspective and looking at

00:14:07.180 israel and seeing them kind of as a model of getting back to normal um and so that is kind of the

00:14:15.120 argument i would say though at what cost and is this really necessary i mean uh america is rolling

00:14:23.100 out this vaccine distributing this vaccine very quickly a large percentage of the most vulnerable

00:14:29.220 people to this virus the elderly people with serious underlying conditions um have been vaccinated

00:14:35.920 a large portion of them not all of them and so if you can get to the point of reaching some kind of

00:14:42.640 herd immunity or where a large percentage has been vaccinated then what is the point of this vaccine

00:14:49.560 passport there are many places where businesses have been operating safely have been using their

00:14:56.700 own kinds of restrictions and regulations to ensure that people are safe and that safe and everything

00:15:01.580 is sanitized and there's no viruses spreading for months and so is there really a point to opening us

00:15:08.940 up to the possibility of a social credit system where all of our privacy and even liberty is compromised

00:15:14.040 i i i don't think so like i said there are states that have been operating almost at full capacity for

00:15:22.180 months now where the death rates as we talk as we have talked about before um are lower than some of

00:15:29.840 the states like new york and new jersey that have been closed down this entire time and so i don't see

00:15:35.880 the justification for something like this i've seen over and over again it seems like the people in

00:15:41.960 washington the biden administration the democrats in washington dr fauci live in a different reality

00:15:48.000 than a lot of people for example joe biden saying that you know if things continue to go well you

00:15:54.200 might be able to get together with a few people on the 4th of july like a few members of your close

00:15:59.880 family or dr fauci saying you know if we continue with our vaccination efforts then kids will be able to

00:16:07.100 um kids will be able to play together as long as they have their masks on that is so out of touch

00:16:14.860 with how most americans have been living their lives there are i would say a minority of americans

00:16:20.600 who have truly been locked down they have avoided getting together with people for the entirety of

00:16:26.400 this year that just hasn't been the case most people in southern states have been basically living

00:16:32.960 their lives as much as possible yes wearing masks and washing their hands and you know following

00:16:38.200 the restrictions that they have to follow but have basically been living their lives getting together

00:16:42.040 with friends and family going on vacation to florida since last spring there was like a couple months

00:16:48.120 of serious lockdown and then most people um i would say most people that's a guess anyway and a lot of

00:16:55.700 southern states have just been doing what they did before and so a lot of people are throwing back

00:17:02.380 their heads and laughing at joe biden when he says you can get together with a few people uh this year

00:17:08.820 at the 4th of july well most uh most people that i know got together with people last year at the 4th of

00:17:16.020 july and no one waited for the president to say anything and so i just think that those left-wing

00:17:24.020 bureaucrats see the world and see reality totally differently than most people um and so

00:17:32.000 the fact of the matter is is that a lot of people don't feel that these vaccine passports are

00:17:38.080 necessary to live safely to operate businesses safely the cons just continue to outweigh the

00:17:45.060 pros when it comes to this um dr fauci says and this is something i said that there this is according

00:17:50.700 to the blaze that there won't be a federal mandate for vaccine passports uh he said that a mandate on

00:17:57.180 coronavirus vaccine passports from the federal government is unlikely but added that some local

00:18:01.760 governments and businesses might choose to implement their own standards so i guess you could say that's

00:18:08.880 comforting in a way but as we're going to talk about if we have time corporations major corporations

00:18:15.380 make up an oligarchy in this country that controls a lot of our lives and so as a conservative i care

00:18:23.400 about individual liberty period i care about bureaucracy or i i'm concerned with bureaucracy

00:18:31.300 period and so major corporations that are enforcing their policies in a way that affects my life or

00:18:39.580 affects my privacy or affects my personal liberty that bothers me now i understand yes private businesses

00:18:46.720 can do what they want to but when you are punishing people as a corporation like amazon or like google

00:18:55.040 who controls so much of the marketplace based on your politics or based on your policies like that's

00:19:01.760 a problem for me i don't like big corporate power just like i don't like big government power so even if

00:19:07.940 this is not federally mandated but all of these major corporations and these big tech companies

00:19:12.460 try to enforce uh enforce this when it comes to all of our major public events or tries to bully local

00:19:21.740 governments into enforcing these kinds of vaccination passports like that's still a concern your privacy

00:19:29.200 is still at stake there interestingly the aclu is also against some forms the vaccine passport in particular

00:19:38.180 the digital vaccine passport uh because of equity concerns they say there are a lot of people who

00:19:44.820 don't have cell phones um they recommend a system that's primarily paper-based but with a digital option

00:19:51.420 so that no one is left out the fact of the matter is there's still going to be people who are left out by

00:19:56.400 that option i actually think it's probably more difficult in this country to get a printer and to

00:20:02.420 actually print something out than it is to get some form of a smartphone probably and so you're still

00:20:07.620 going to see some kind of disparity there um there are still going to be people who don't have access

00:20:13.880 to a printer to be able to get the piece of paper i guess it could come to you in the mail as well maybe

00:20:19.980 that's what they're talking about uh still you've got problems there you've got logistical issues there

00:20:25.960 it sounds like a nightmare to me your personal vaccination information being made vulnerable

00:20:32.100 whether it is through technology or whether it is through some kind of paper passport is troubling

00:20:38.380 and i would say in particular for the most vulnerable who don't have a voice who aren't able to speak up

00:20:44.500 against this who don't have any political or social capital to say i don't want this like this is who

00:20:50.780 this is going to disproportionately negatively affect we already know that uh you probably already know

00:20:58.280 that uh florida governor ron de santis issued an executive order saying look this ain't this ain't

00:21:05.440 gonna happen we're not gonna have a vaccine mandate here uh in the state of florida we're not going to

00:21:11.860 allow corporations to require vaccine uh passports in order to access um our businesses

00:21:20.340 so there are other states that are following ron de santis's lead um at least verbally governor

00:21:28.280 parson of missouri is saying is saying that he does not support a vaccine passport he has no intention

00:21:34.780 of implementing one in the state of missouri we've also got south dakota governor christy noem saying the

00:21:41.900 same thing she is saying that this is one of the most un-american ideas in our nation's history

00:21:47.380 and that we should oppose this texas governor greg abbott um he said that he is not going to require

00:21:55.800 any texan to show proof of vaccination and reveal private health information just to go about their

00:22:01.280 daily lives and so thankfully uh republican republican governments are speaking up against this and this

00:22:08.460 is going to be the tactic that has to be taken um that republican state governments hopefully democratic

00:22:15.500 state governments too because i truly believe this should be bipartisan are going to have to stand

00:22:20.340 up and say no this is not going to happen in my state and if it's not federally mandated

00:22:24.100 which hopefully it won't be hopefully that won't change then the states do have the power

00:22:29.420 to do things um like this they can't stop the development of this app but um they are able to say

00:22:37.320 look this is not going to become this onerous burden on our people just to be able to just to be able to

00:22:45.640 live now i interviewed um dr naomi wolf she wrote the book the end of america now she's a bit of a

00:22:54.140 controversial figure because she was known as this staunch feminist that's how she got famous um back in 1.00

00:23:01.260 the clinton era and she's been a democratic activist for a long time she still considers herself a

00:23:07.080 democrat she voted for joe biden she spoke out against um donald trump and um definitely is a liberal

00:23:16.080 but she's had a lot of concerns about this she's also been called a conspiracy theorist when it comes

00:23:21.660 to some things on this particular issue on vaccine passports uh she has been very clear and very emphatic

00:23:29.960 that this may be the end of our freedoms if we allow the government and this corporate

00:23:36.920 oligarchy to have all of our information to keep tabs on us and to calculate our uh risk or the 0.98

00:23:45.000 risk that we bring to the table or the benefits that we bring to the table when it comes to

00:23:49.800 accessing certain parts of the public sphere so i want to play you a little bit of uh that conversation

00:23:56.920 can you talk about maybe just what the average person me you know i'm not a tech expert and most

00:24:09.400 of the people listening aren't what we may not know or understand about one what this vaccine passport is

00:24:17.400 and two what the possible implications are thank you ali for asking it's so important and um no one

00:24:25.320 needs to be a tech expert to understand but they do need like basic information about what this uh

00:24:31.400 technology does so basically it's a complete lie i'm just going to say lie um that we're being sold

00:24:38.600 this vaccine passport as just for vaccine status if it was just for vaccine status which is already a

00:24:45.560 violation of the americans with disabilities act um you would you have a piece of paper and that

00:24:50.920 wouldn't threaten in time you know human liberty i mean i literally have been warning this is the

00:24:55.640 end of human liberty it's a chinese style social credit system and why is that because the vaccine 0.98

00:25:02.360 passport is a platform right and the platform once it's launched already has every citizen's um

00:25:13.000 uh personally identifying information medical records address uh credit history and with just a tweak

00:25:21.800 of the back end meaning just a tiny you know like half hour addition of functionality um you can load

00:25:28.760 onto it it talks to your apple pay it talks to your google wallet in fact microsoft oracle and salesforce

00:25:35.560 are presenting an app which is already part of google pay and apple wallet um with another tweak

00:25:43.000 it reads your social media so it can dial you down and switch off your paypal or apple pay if you talk

00:25:49.160 too much in favor of conservatives or of liberals um everywhere you go when you swipe that qr code

00:25:55.240 which they've started to do for the pandemic to avoid germs which is nonsense scientifically when you go to

00:26:01.080 a bar or restaurant the ones that are open it geolocates you right so now every time in israel

00:26:07.080 they rolled out vaccine passports they have to swipe them to buy groceries to go to the beach to get their

00:26:12.440 kids into school to get medical care um every time you do that it doesn't just geolocate you meaning

00:26:18.840 it tells the central database exactly where you are but it also sucks up the data from all your friends

00:26:25.800 who are with you and create maps networks of social influence with those so that you can never dissent again

00:26:33.480 after the vaccine passport is rolled out because your phones will tell the central database who all your friends are

00:26:40.280 what you're talking about what you've shared on social media another tweet it uploads all your

00:26:45.160 search history so basically there is no going back from this it is the end of human freedom if it's

00:26:51.480 rolled out and it's wrong to you can't even boycott it because once it's launched everybody's in it

00:26:57.880 already um so this is catastrophic and it has to be stopped before it rolls out

00:27:03.480 so she mentioned also and and i i believe this is true too that the best way to push back against this

00:27:16.840 before it actually rolls out um is to make sure that you're contacting your state representatives and

00:27:23.560 your state senators um make sure that you are uh pushing back against any state or local mandate that

00:27:33.080 would force you uh to show your private health information in order to as governor abbott said

00:27:40.680 go about your everyday life um you can start to kind of think about what this could look like in the

00:27:47.240 future whether you're on the right or the left and see that this is going to be a problem for you

00:27:52.360 and your family and your children um and it also depends also like on on what else is this going to

00:28:01.320 what else is this going to give you like how else are you going to be punished if you don't get the

00:28:05.720 covid shot every year uh how how else are you going to be measured by the way what if it's no longer

00:28:13.320 just vaccination status when it comes to covid what if it's your flu shot as well or what if it's any

00:28:20.120 other kind of medical test or vaccine or some kind of uh standard medical or not that you have to reach

00:28:31.880 in order to get this little green pass on your phone to buy to sell to um to fly to go to a sports game

00:28:43.800 this is how you lose your liberty this is how you lose your life like this is how we welcome in

00:28:51.640 tyranny this has already happened in china like we can already know that for sure and if you think

00:28:55.480 i'm just fear-mongering or you think that this is just um a slippery slope fallacy i think history

00:29:02.680 is very clear on this i think modernity is very clear on this like i think that we can look to china

00:29:08.760 and we can see how this already is playing out in their social credit system and simply say we don't

00:29:15.000 want this this is not to say that we're categorically against this vaccine i know some people have

00:29:21.240 concerns about uh fetal cell research which again is a totally legitimate concern when it comes to

00:29:27.320 vaccines in particular the covid 19 vaccine um and i think johnson and johnson actually did involve

00:29:33.960 uh fetal cells from aborted babies in their research for this vaccine but there are other

00:29:39.800 vaccines that don't i believe we've talked about this before but i believe that it's pfizer that does

00:29:45.080 not um and so not all of the covet vaccines have any involvement with fetal cell research if that's an

00:29:52.680 ethical concern a totally understandable ethical concern that you have and so being against the loss of

00:29:59.720 freedom being against a social credit system whether it's run by the federal government or

00:30:04.120 whether it's run by corporate oligarchy um is not being against vaccines you might not even be against

00:30:10.920 masks or maybe you're not even against mask mandates maybe you're not against lockdowns you can still be

00:30:17.480 against this and also be against the spread of the coronavirus this does not make you a conspiracy

00:30:24.280 theorist that doesn't make you an alarmist it doesn't make you a fear monger you're staring the threat

00:30:29.320 right in the face and saying i don't want any part of that like i i don't want to make my and other

00:30:36.360 people's information and safety this vulnerable so now we're going to get into the new york times

00:30:43.720 the scapegoating the scapegoating of uh christians when it comes to the vaccination effort not just the

00:30:51.000 vaccine passport but the vaccination effort in general but first i got to tell you guys about a

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00:33:19.480 so i want to talk about this new york times article it's titled white evangelical resistance is

00:33:24.120 obstacle in vaccination effort um white evangelicals we are the media's the left the mainstream's

00:33:33.880 favorite scapegoat racism has to do only with white evangelicals sexism white evangelicals random mass

00:33:42.840 murder probably white evangelicals um holding the country back in any way it's definitely white 0.95

00:33:50.760 evangelicals now why is this because most white evangelicals vote republican and we don't go along

00:33:56.360 with the same uh with the same stances that the mainstream does like we're not down with the

00:34:02.040 gender confusion uh we're not down with the critical race theory uh we're not down with most of the

00:34:09.880 moral and the sexual revolution that has been being waged for a very long time but most fiercely over the

00:34:15.880 past few years and we have been the loudest voices in opposition to them so anytime

00:34:21.880 time people in the media can use white evangelicals as the scapegoat for all of our country's problems

00:34:29.720 they're going to and they're going to make it sound very academic and sound very sophisticated as this

00:34:36.280 article does white evangelical resistance is obstacle in vaccination effort millions of white evangelical

00:34:42.120 adults in the u.s do not intend to get vaccinated because against covet 19 tenets of faith and mistrust

00:34:48.200 if science play a role so does politics this is something that they love to say the left loves

00:34:53.160 to say that evangelical christians don't trust science that they don't believe in science and

00:34:58.360 that's why evangelical christians white evangelical christians not black evangelical christians just

00:35:03.400 white evangelical christians um are opposed to science and so we're opposed to progress and so we

00:35:09.240 pose this huge threat to society now you wonder how has this kind of rhetoric about a particular

00:35:15.320 group of people played out in the past like it has it played out in a way that has created better

00:35:21.160 understanding and respect and um a more uh a more compassionate society no it's just created more

00:35:29.240 resentment and bloodshed and hate and that's exactly what's happening by using one group of people

00:35:34.840 along with their faith as a scapegoat for all of their issues and one of the way they do that one of the

00:35:40.760 the ways they do that is by saying that we don't believe in science now never mind that they are

00:35:47.080 the people who actually believe babies in the womb are clumps of cells and that gender is just something

00:35:52.120 that you choose that a boy who declares he's a girl is all of the sudden a girl who doesn't doesn't

00:35:58.280 question at all uh the inconsistencies that we see with climate change findings but everyone else

00:36:05.240 everyone who disagrees with them they're actually the science deniers interesting uh this article

00:36:10.760 says the opposition is rooted in a mix of religious faith and a long-standing weariness of mainstream

00:36:15.720 science and it is fueled by broader cultural distrust of institutions and gravitation to online

00:36:22.920 conspiracy theories this is this is also something i call blue and on as we've talked about before i

00:36:29.240 didn't come up with that name it's kind of a meme that's uh occurred on twitter and that is the

00:36:35.000 conspiracy theories that the left traffics in like uh russian collusion like the whole covington thing

00:36:41.160 like jesse smollett uh the mainstream of the left including cnn msnbc latches on to these conspiracy

00:36:48.680 theories also that trump was removing voting boxes another blue and on conspiracy theory is that uh voting

00:36:55.960 laws in places like georgia are akin to jim crow they're blue and on conspiracy theories that are much

00:37:01.320 more popular than any conspiracy theory is uh on the right there are millions of people on the left

00:37:08.440 backed by the mainstream backed by major corporations backed by big tech companies backed

00:37:13.480 by mainstream media outlets backed by democratic politicians on the left versus this tiny percentage

00:37:20.360 of people on the right who follow something called q anon which most people on the right don't even know

00:37:24.840 what that is there is a percentage of people on the right who follow uh conspiracy theories there is

00:37:31.640 a huge proportion of people on the left that follow things that have no basis in fact whatsoever and yet

00:37:39.240 because they are supported by the mainstream these kinds of theories they claim that they're true but

00:37:45.880 again they have no basis in reality they're blue and on conspiracy theories and they turn around and they

00:37:50.680 gaslight people on the right and say oh no they're the science deniers they're the conspiracy theorists

00:37:57.880 for a supposedly questioning mainstream science by the way isn't it scientific to question findings do you

00:38:05.480 really want to go back through even just the past 50 years of scientific discovery and point to all of the

00:38:13.160 times that so-called science has been wrong like there has been a time in recent history where we have

00:38:20.120 realized that what scientists said about something about a particular medication about a particular

00:38:25.560 procedure about a particular diagnosis about a particular vaccine like the rotavirus vaccine and

00:38:32.040 i'm not saying this is an anti-vaccine person but there have been times just in the past 30 years we

00:38:37.400 have realized that doctors that experts that scientists are wrong about something so apparently according to the

00:38:43.000 new york times it is anti-science to question mainstream so-called mainstream scientific findings

00:38:50.200 of course they don't give any examples of this but this is how they try to whip up fear about this group

00:38:56.280 of people white evangelical christians and this is their basis for saying that evangelical christians are

00:39:04.200 stopping the vaccine rollout program they say the sheer size of the community poses a major problem

00:39:10.360 for the country's ability to recover from a pandemic so basically white evangelicals are killing people 0.85

00:39:16.040 that's what they want to say like that's that's the narrative that white evangelicals because of

00:39:21.720 their beliefs are actually killing people uh because of opposition to the vaccine that's what they're

00:39:29.400 trying to get you to believe that white evangelicals are actually the virus uh that is more infectious and

00:39:37.720 more dangerous than any other kind of illness that we may be dealing with goes on to say uh a major

00:39:44.680 problem for the country's ability to recover from a pandemic that has resulted in the deaths of half

00:39:49.160 a million americans and evangelical ideas and instincts have a way of spreading even internationally

00:39:55.480 there are about 41 million white evangelical adults in the u.s about 45 percent said in late feb

00:40:00.360 february that they would not get vaccinated against covet 19 making them among the least likely demographic

00:40:06.680 groups to do so according to the pew research center now remember it was kamala harris who just last year

00:40:15.800 said that she was not interested in getting the covet 19 vaccine if it was developed under donald trump

00:40:21.640 like talk about a conspiracy theorist so because something is developed under a president that you

00:40:27.320 don't like or you say that you don't trust you're not going to get the vaccine but apparently that wasn't a

00:40:32.040 problem that's that's not a threat at all or perhaps one of the things that is stopping people from

00:40:39.400 trusting the vaccine process is that we have heard a million different contradictory things from dr

00:40:44.760 fauci and the federal government over the past few months about the efficacy of the vaccine about

00:40:50.600 whether or not um it's actually uh effective about whether or not it actually prevents you from getting

00:40:58.120 the virus or spreading the virus that's been the big question what you will actually be allowed to do

00:41:04.760 according to the government if you have the vaccine how you still have to double mask and you still have

00:41:09.160 to social distance and your kids still can't go to school so you're telling me the teachers unions

00:41:13.800 and the federal government and dr fauci and all of their inconsistency and their shifting goalposts

00:41:19.960 that's not what has actually stopped or uh inhibited the progress of the vaccine distribution programs

00:41:26.760 across the country it's evangelicals who just pose uh who uh who pose a threat to it by just expressing

00:41:34.520 some distrust by just asking some questions about why the goalposts have moved why the standards have

00:41:40.440 shifted uh about this novel uh rna technology and by the way it's not just evangelical christians doing

00:41:48.040 those things it's lots of different kinds of people that are doing those things those are the

00:41:51.400 people that pose a threat and not the inconsistent messages not not the lack of trustworthiness that

00:41:58.920 has been displayed by so-called experts and the media when it comes to this you're telling me

00:42:06.520 that the media who for example said that everyone needed to be locked down and anyone who any

00:42:13.240 state that did not impose draconian lockdowns and shut down schools and shut down businesses even as

00:42:19.640 people were losing their jobs losing their businesses losing their livelihoods committing suicide due to

00:42:25.080 loneliness any state that did not impose those restrictions were causing people to die and then

00:42:30.600 what happens we have riots and we have mass protests due to the george floyd incident and the media

00:42:36.840 says this is great why because systemic racism is apparently also a public health crisis that is

00:42:43.800 more dire than the coronavirus so as people were flooding the streets most of them maskless the media

00:42:49.720 said that's fine dr fauci had nothing to say about that after joe biden wins people again flood the streets

00:42:56.040 most of them maskless celebrating in mosh pits media has nothing to say about that that you're telling me that

00:43:03.080 that that hypocrisy is not actually what is causing people to be skeptical about whether or not they

00:43:09.000 want to get the vaccine you're telling me that the federal government say that there's going to be a

00:43:13.160 vaccine passport that actually tracks you and that holds your personal health information that's not

00:43:19.000 stopping people maybe from getting the vaccine no it's white evangelical christians why we don't know but

00:43:28.840 um apparently that that is what the that's that's what the risk is so according to pew research um white

00:43:39.320 evangelical christians 45 of white evangelical christians will not get the vaccine um protestants

00:43:48.280 in general 36 say that they're not going to get the vaccine um black protestants according to

00:43:56.200 to pew research 33 percent say that they will not get the vaccine um which is actually very

00:44:03.240 interesting that the group most likely to get the vaccine are atheists only 10 said that they're not

00:44:10.680 going to get the vaccine but people who are nothing in particular people who are just kind of

00:44:15.320 unaffiliated they don't necessarily associate with a particular religion um 36 of those say that they

00:44:25.000 are not going to get the vaccine so white evangelicals according to pew research are the least likely

00:44:32.280 to get the vaccine but 45 percent so that means the majority the majority of white evangelicals

00:44:42.360 are going to get the vaccine so i don't know i don't know really what the point is of this article

00:44:50.120 this is trying to say that there's a problem with one group that doesn't really exist that it's trying

00:44:59.560 to like we've said so many times scapegoat one group that apparently is not really posing that much

00:45:06.440 of an inhibition here because the majority of white evangelicals 54 percent said that they are going to get

00:45:14.120 vaccinated 17 percent um have already at least had one dose of white evangelicals that is the same

00:45:22.520 percentage of black protestants that said that they have already gotten one dose 17 percent so i'm i'm just

00:45:31.880 and that's the same number as agnostics by the way 17 percent and so this is a fake story it's a fake

00:45:40.680 story in order to make you scared of white evangelicals in order again to try to um paint

00:45:47.800 them as the root cause of all of our problems and it's true that there have been white evangelicals 1.00

00:45:55.080 who have told people hey don't get the vaccine this is not something that we need to support

00:46:01.640 um or we're scared of the vaccine or it's the mark of the beast yes absolutely there are certainly

00:46:07.080 people who identify as white evangelicals who have done that but the numbers that are linked to in

00:46:12.440 this article don't actually support the idea that white evangelicals are really the stumbling block

00:46:19.160 to vaccine distribution and like i said can we not consider all of the other factors that might be

00:46:25.960 making people skeptical when it comes to this no of course not of course not uh because this is about

00:46:32.840 a particular narrative they even bring up uh the january 6th capital siege which again uh they try to

00:46:41.080 link to the problem of christian nationalism among white evangelicals and the idea that the capital

00:46:50.120 siege that insurrection that storming that right of the capital which we've talked about was atrocious

00:46:55.880 on this podcast the idea that that has to do with evangelicalism that that's what actually

00:47:02.520 caused that that's another blue and on conspiracy theory like there are no pervasive facts that

00:47:07.320 actually uh that actually back that up uh there are also catholic bishops as well who have expressed

00:47:13.480 concerns about the abortion link um but the vatican concluded that the vaccines are morally acceptable

00:47:20.120 however there are many catholics who are skeptical about this in particular because of the pro-life

00:47:26.360 aspects of it of the experimentation or of the usage of fetal cells in some of these vaccines although

00:47:33.480 according to pew research the vast majority of catholics do say that they will get uh that they will get the

00:47:41.000 vaccine so this is another example not just of trying to uh trying to hoist white evangelicals up as the

00:47:51.000 problem um in our society when it comes to all different aspects but also the media refusing to

00:47:58.360 look at their own faults to look at their own hypocrisy look at the lack of trust in the institutions

00:48:04.840 that we have including in the media and maybe taking some of the blame for that they seem completely

00:48:10.120 unable to do that they are always perpetually continually blinded by their own arrogance and

00:48:16.440 completely completely unable uh to be able to uh to be able to take fault for anything that they might

00:48:27.080 have caused or any conspiracy theory that they may have pushed it's always someone else it's always

00:48:33.080 republicans it's always conservatives um in some way okay let's quickly talk about this question

00:48:44.040 about whether or not the vaccine is uh the mark of the beast i think most of you are not concerned

00:48:49.560 with this but there are some people who are who are wondering this and so maybe this is what the new

00:48:54.760 york times is is worried about or talking about that some people are afraid that this is actually a sign

00:49:00.280 of the end times and the reason is because the bible talks about that the mark of the beast is something

00:49:05.800 that is going to have to be taken in order to buy or to sell in order to be participatory in the

00:49:14.520 in the economy at all and so people are worried about these vaccine passports for that particular

00:49:19.480 reason too although i would say i mean even as pew research says the vast majority or just the

00:49:24.920 majority of white evangelicals are okay with the vaccine plan to take the vaccine and i would say

00:49:30.600 most white evangelicals are not worried about the vaccine passport being a sign of the end times but

00:49:35.000 actually a sign of our surrendering of our privacy and our liberty but for those who are wondering about

00:49:43.880 this being the mark of the beast um let's read revelation 13 through 16 or revelation 13 16

00:49:53.400 through 17 um that can tell us about uh the mark of the beast also it causes all both small and great

00:50:04.120 both rich and poor both free and slave to be marked on the right hand this is the antichrist

00:50:07.960 the antichrist marked on the right hand or the forehead so that no one can buy or sell um and so

00:50:17.000 that is the that's the that's the indication of what the mark of the beast is unless he has the mark they

00:50:24.920 can't buy or sell the name of the beast or the number of its name and so i really like this research

00:50:32.840 gotquestions.org it's run by people who are very theologically solid and i think trustworthy when

00:50:38.680 it comes to this and if you just ask them the question they will specify exactly what the mark

00:50:44.680 of the beast is they say we don't know what this mark is going to look like a while ago some thought it

00:50:49.720 was a stamp or a tattoo of the number 666 more recently people thought it might be a barcode

00:50:55.160 now popular speculations that the mark of the beast will be an implanted microchip

00:51:00.760 that allows access to their digital currency but we have no way of knowing what form the mark of the

00:51:07.880 beast will take uh some people fear that they've already taken the mark of the beast um that they may

00:51:15.400 have done something at some point that made them take it and they didn't realize it but that's not

00:51:21.000 the case because as gotquestions.org points out very rightly and very biblically is that the mark

00:51:26.520 of the beast doesn't exist yet a literal reading of revelation and other end times prophecy in the

00:51:32.760 bible shows there is a schedule for the end times events now this also depends on if you're um if you

00:51:39.880 are a pre-millennialist or post-millennialist we've done podcasts on this before i've talked to

00:51:45.400 uh jeff durbin about this on two separate podcasts i've done my own podcast on what i believe about

00:51:52.200 the end times he is post-millennialist jeff durbin i am pre-millennialist but post-tribulation

00:51:59.000 um and so all of this also depends on what you believe about the end times based on what scripture

00:52:05.640 uh says but there's a timeline of end times events that most christians don't believe have actually

00:52:11.320 all the way played out yet which means that the mark of the beast cannot actually exist until the

00:52:18.040 beast himself is in power during the tribulation now some people could say that the tribulation

00:52:24.760 may be happening uh right now if you're post-tribulation like i am i don't think that the bible actually

00:52:30.840 um points to that though that that is what is currently happening but uh we do know that the

00:52:37.560 mark of the beast cannot exist until the beast himself is in power um there is nothing anyone can

00:52:45.240 do today until the beast is in power to get or take or receive the mark of the beast whether it's tattoos

00:52:52.280 whether it's uh blasphemy whether it is um some kind of microchip that's uh that's not happening

00:53:01.240 right now now some people have said maybe this is conditioning people to take the mark of the beast

00:53:07.160 that's speculation the fact of the matter is we don't have any biblical evidence to believe that right

00:53:12.520 now according to the timeline of end times events that any kind of vaccine or vaccine passport right now

00:53:19.720 is the mark of the beast now there's another question that i think gotquestions.org does a

00:53:25.720 really good job of biblically answering and that question is is it possible to be saved or forgiven

00:53:32.040 if you have taken the mark of the beast so first they set it up by saying the mark of the beast is

00:53:36.200 a mark that will be placed on a person's forehead or right hand in the times in the end times this is

00:53:42.040 a sign of allegiance to the antichrist revelation 13 15 through 18 so that's another important thing is

00:53:47.480 that the bible is very specific about where the mark is going to be and i should have mentioned

00:53:52.280 this earlier that the bible says that it is going to be on a person's uh forehead or their right hand

00:53:59.400 so it says this in chapter 13 it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast that the image

00:54:04.760 of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be

00:54:09.560 slain also it causes all both small and great both rich and poor both slave and free to be marked on

00:54:14.680 the right hand or forehead so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark that is the name of

00:54:19.720 the beast or the number of its name this calls for wisdom let the one who has understanding calculate

00:54:25.160 the number of the beast for it is the number of a man and his number is 666 and so that gives us

00:54:30.680 context a little more context for the original uh scripture that we read that it's actually very

00:54:36.360 specific where the mark of the beast is going to be and in general what it's going to look like

00:54:41.240 so us trying to um deduce that it's actually going to look like something else or it's going to be

00:54:47.240 digital it doesn't actually um that's not what the bible actually supports and so gotquestions.org

00:54:54.840 goes on to say why is taking the mark of the beast a damnable sin against god which the bible says that

00:55:01.080 it is why would god condemn a person to hell for taking the mark of the beast it would appear that

00:55:05.560 taking the mark of the beast will be a blasphemous act of willful defiance against god receiving the

00:55:11.080 mark of the beast is essentially worshiping satan because revelation says that it is the worship of

00:55:17.720 the beast that is going to be required or else you are going to be slain and so it is um synonymous

00:55:25.240 with satan worship it's basically pledging allegiance to satan so i don't think that we have to worry about

00:55:32.840 oh what is it are we going to be able to decipher it the bible is very clear about what it's going

00:55:37.400 to be the vaccine or the vaccine passport just doesn't fit the bill in the description of what

00:55:42.680 what revelation 13 says that the mark of the beast will actually be implies if we believe what the bible

00:55:49.240 says about god uh choosing those that he is going to save beforehand as ephesians 1 makes very clear as

00:55:56.680 romans 9 makes very clear then you don't have to worry you're safe like you are god's chosen one

00:56:02.680 romans 8 says that there's nothing that can separate you as a believer from the love of christ so god is

00:56:08.600 going to keep you he is going to protect you he is going to help you persevere and so i have lots of

00:56:15.080 concerns about the vaccine passport i have lots of concerns about privacy and liberty i i really do but

00:56:21.960 one of my concerns is not that this is the mark of the beast one of my concerns is not that this is

00:56:28.200 necessarily going to bring about the end times now we don't know the day or the hour when jesus is going

00:56:33.480 to come back but we do have some good indications from the bible of when that's going to be and so

00:56:39.240 um uh if you're if you have concerns with the vaccine okay that's fine but don't allow this to be

00:56:46.200 one of them because i don't think that we have the biblical support for that particular concern i

00:56:52.120 think our responsibility is still to make the best decisions possible using all the discernment that

00:56:57.080 we have using all of the wisdom that we have as we talked about yesterday we've got wisdom from

00:57:02.040 the holy spirit and from the word of god and god has placed you in this time in this place for a

00:57:09.400 specific reason that wasn't a mistake it wasn't arbitrary and so your job as a christian is continuing to

00:57:15.320 be that light on the hill that uh can't be hidden or shouldn't be hidden as jesus says by covering it

00:57:23.560 up but instead double down on the gospel double down on your generosity double down on your kindness

00:57:29.560 double down on your boldness the only thing that's ever going to change anything is hearts being changed

00:57:35.400 by the gospel and so it doesn't matter how the media casts you it doesn't matter if people categorize you

00:57:42.120 as a a christian as the sole problem for our sole cause of all of society's problems you hold fast 0.91

00:57:50.760 to the lord you hold fast to the gospel you continue to allow him to be your hope and you share that hope

00:57:55.880 with other people completely unashamedly that is what we are called to do in the end times and today no

00:58:03.400 matter what confronts us yes i understand why the media why people on the left why the mainstream why

00:58:11.080 bureaucracies don't like christians evangelical christians christians who actually believe in

00:58:16.760 the bible and try to live out the bible i get it like christians in particular reformed christians have

00:58:23.080 been as i've said many times a thorn in the side of tyrants for our entire existence simply because

00:58:32.760 we choose to declare and believe that jesus is king and our obedience is to him first before anything

00:58:40.280 else and the whole idea that that has somehow caused a problem rather than helping create some of the

00:58:45.560 greatest and the most generous and charitable and freest societies in the world of course is a false

00:58:51.320 narrative that we can expect by people who have been deluded with falsehood um that's not to say

00:58:56.600 that christians haven't done bad things in the name of christian or people haven't done bad things in the

00:59:00.360 name of christianity or accepted or condoned bad things in the name of christianity because they

00:59:05.240 absolutely have but remember it was from the power of the gospel that william wilberforce and other

00:59:11.080 abolitionists fought to end slavery it was through the love of christ and the power of the gospel that image

00:59:17.400 bearers of color um have pushed uh for true rights and true equality we're not talking about the 0.94

00:59:25.880 critical race theory craziness that we see today but true equality and equal treatment uh under the law

00:59:33.400 it has been the doctrine of equality under god the idea that we were all endowed by our creator with

00:59:41.560 certain inalienable rights among them being life liberty and the pursuit of happiness that every man and

00:59:45.800 woman is equal in that sense it has been that idea that doctrine that has allowed for and perpetuated

00:59:53.880 and inspired more progress over the past few centuries than any other idea or doctrine and so

01:00:01.880 yes tyrants are always going to hate that tyranny is always going to hate that they're always going to

01:00:07.240 scapegoat that type of doctrine the people that hold to that doctrine but we hold fast to it because

01:00:12.120 that's what we believe and we live it out by loving god with all of our heart soul mind and strength

01:00:16.920 and loving our neighbor as ourself also call your representative call your state senator uh make sure

01:00:23.960 that they are on the side of liberty and privacy because even though our hope is in heaven even though

01:00:28.520 our hope is in eternity i do think that we are obligated as people who occupy this finite space

01:00:34.280 occupy this here in this now to seek the welfare seek the benefit of seek the liberty of our

01:00:41.240 our families and our neighbors all right that's all i got for today i'll see you guys back here tomorrow

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 06, 2021

Ep 398 ｜ The Vaccine Passport & What It Means

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