Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - REPLAY ｜ Nicole Shanahan on Christianity, Vaccines & the Lies of Leftism

00:00:00.760 Nicole Shanahan was RFK Jr.'s running mate, and she is here today to tell me about her

00:00:07.600 journey to faith in Christ.

00:00:10.320 We will talk about her baptism, but also her political evolution.

00:00:15.000 She went from being in the thick of what she calls the tech wife mafia, that very progressive

00:00:21.320 world, to a place of questioning progressive ideology altogether.

00:00:26.700 This was a fascinating, very wide-ranging, very personal, and sometimes emotional conversation,

00:00:34.280 and you guys are going to get so much out of it.

00:00:36.700 So without further ado, here is Nicole.

00:00:47.860 Nicole, thanks so much for taking the time to join me.

00:00:51.180 This is not my usual backdrop.

00:00:53.100 I love it.

00:00:53.920 It's so beautiful.

00:00:54.680 Cool. Well, I've been so excited to talk to you. And really kind of what sealed the deal for me,

00:01:01.300 I was like, I've got to talk to her, was when you posted the video of your baptism,

00:01:06.080 of your testimony. And we won't get into all of that right now. We'll build up to it.

00:01:10.980 But can you tell me what it was like leading up to that moment before you decided to share it

00:01:15.080 publicly? Oh, yeah. Well, first of all, it's a pleasure for me to be here with you. I've read

00:01:20.620 your book, Toxic Empathy. It's an incredible book that I'd recommend to, I am recommending to all of

00:01:27.120 my friends, progressive or conservative. Most of my friends are progressive, but I think it's such

00:01:32.400 a good read for progressives as well. But yeah, to answer your question about my baptism and then

00:01:41.000 I actually wrote an essay about it and posted some pictures. The lead up to it was I wanted,

00:01:51.660 I'm in this constant pursuit of trying to share some very big lessons that I think many people

00:01:59.600 can relate to. Lessons from being a lifelong Democrat, leaving the party, realizing that

00:02:08.120 this is bigger than politics, that we've got something happening globally, really as it

00:02:14.120 relates to the spirit of humanity and the spirit of what it means to actually truly

00:02:18.900 be human.

00:02:21.060 And so part of my journey to my baptism was really challenging and painful.

00:02:29.480 There were a lot of things that happened that were shocking.

00:02:33.120 There were things that happened when I was on the campaign trail with RFK that were just

00:02:36.580 unexplainable.

00:02:38.120 Um, my, I developed a relationship with God.

00:02:42.380 I'd always believed in God since I was a little girl.

00:02:44.480 Yeah.

00:02:45.000 But my relationship with God evolved at a rate, um, that I think only a U.S. presidential

00:02:52.260 campaign that can evolve in, you know, it's, you, you are getting put through the fire.

00:02:57.420 Um, everyone's looking at everything you do all the time and it really makes you feel

00:03:02.940 exposed in a way that you really start having this interpersonal – I started having a really

00:03:10.360 interpersonal relationship with God. Yeah. Just through the feeling that you needed to pray?

00:03:16.460 I needed to pray and I needed to listen. I needed to hear God's voice. I needed guidance. I, you know,

00:03:24.100 you get put on your knees quite a bit. And this was no ordinary election. Yeah. So

00:03:31.580 So, you know, I toyed with the idea of going to President Trump's inauguration.

00:03:39.420 Lots of folks had invites for us.

00:03:43.140 I was, you know, even given an award by an organization.

00:03:46.040 And, you know, all of the glitz and glamour of it, it was very – my old self would have been very drawn to it.

00:03:55.000 But something happened to me last September, which I haven't really started to talk about,

00:04:02.400 but I'll share with you, you know, Jacob and I, we got pregnant.

00:04:09.160 I got pregnant on the campaign trail unexpectedly, and I was 20 weeks pregnant.

00:04:16.360 And we were starting to taper down the campaign, but I wanted to go out there for mothers.

00:04:24.400 And so I really wanted to like – I wanted to keep doing more even though my body was kind of like you got to slow down.

00:04:30.440 But I was right at that very end and then I had wrapped an interview actually with Megyn Kelly and that was the day that I had my miscarriage.

00:04:40.200 And it was pretty far along.

00:04:43.760 It was really scary.

00:04:45.020 Yes.

00:04:45.660 Wow.

00:04:46.980 I almost lost my life.

00:04:48.860 Wow.

00:04:49.180 And I was at Stanford.

00:04:54.460 Actually, at 20 weeks, they take you to delivery.

00:04:59.720 And so I went into delivery, and it was just not a good situation.

00:05:06.340 Lost over four liters of blood.

00:05:08.340 You only have four liters of blood, so I lost pretty much everything.

00:05:11.760 Oh, my goodness.

00:05:12.520 And pretty much was dying.

00:05:15.280 I was dying and was losing a baby.

00:05:17.920 And it was just – it was very – it was a very scary experience.

00:05:22.740 But at the same time, you know, I was taken so close to the end and I – you could feel

00:05:30.280 it.

00:05:30.620 I could feel it, right?

00:05:31.580 Like I could feel –

00:05:32.500 Like you could feel your life slipping from you?

00:05:35.460 Yeah.

00:05:36.180 I had lost so much blood and they were – you know, I waited until – I wanted to save

00:05:41.500 the baby so I waited to do the surgery.

00:05:44.120 I didn't want to – I didn't want to lose the baby.

00:05:46.040 and so I was like just wait maybe I'll stop so I waited and I probably waited a little bit too

00:05:50.920 long um and so then came the transfusion and then you know the kind of rushing into the OR

00:05:58.740 and there was just there's this moment where like I I actually had peace yeah with this idea of going

00:06:09.560 and the chaplain came in and you know you just don't know if you're going to come out of surgery

00:06:16.520 right um so it was it was a moment of like i i want to live i'm going to fight i'm going to

00:06:27.840 fight because i want to come back for my daughter my six-year-old um and i know she needs me and god

00:06:33.480 if, like, you want to bring me back, I'm going to give it my all.

00:06:39.560 And I'm kind of – anyway, so – and I came back.

00:06:44.120 I woke up.

00:06:45.640 And I, like, couldn't believe it, but I woke up after surgery.

00:06:49.440 And I had lost a little girl, and we said goodbye before I went into surgery.

00:06:54.940 And, you know, waking up, I just was, like, you know, groggy because I was out.

00:07:01.380 and um my first question was like do I have my uterus because there wasn't there was a chance

00:07:08.780 I wasn't going to come out with my uterus and the nurse goes you have your uterus and I was like oh

00:07:13.180 thank god and I was like I was like and I'm alive she's like you're alive everything looks good and

00:07:19.660 I was like wow I'm alive and and uh my brother had flown in from Colorado and I I saw him in the

00:07:28.480 hallway. And then I saw Jacob in the hallway and I was like, all right, I'm here. But so that was

00:07:36.060 end of, that was the end of September. It was actually on my 39th birthday. It's like a wild,

00:07:42.900 like wild set of events. And, you know, the lead, so many strange things happened around that time

00:07:49.700 that I just really – I saw like – I saw some things that were just like in the strictly

00:08:01.460 materialistic world don't make sense, in the spiritual world well-defined.

00:08:05.900 Yeah.

00:08:06.800 Yeah.

00:08:07.020 And anyway, so long story short, why did I decide to share my testimony of baptism?

00:08:13.480 i i i don't i don't know what you know we don't know what god's plans are for us

00:08:22.900 but after that experience i can listen i hear i hear the intention of what like

00:08:34.300 god hopes for how i spend my time right and i'm more sensitive to that

00:08:41.340 Um, and I want to do a good job with it as I always have, but there's more guidance than

00:08:46.680 there was once.

00:08:48.660 And, um, the desire to share and the desire to actually get baptized instead of going

00:08:55.100 out to DC.

00:08:57.440 Um, so your baptism was, was it on the same day as the inauguration?

00:09:02.180 The day before.

00:09:02.760 The day before.

00:09:03.480 The Sunday before.

00:09:04.380 Okay.

00:09:04.720 And then I decided to write it up and share it because I know that people are very spiritually lost right now.

00:09:17.820 People that I know closest to me who who may might not understand exactly what it is that I'm doing with my life right now because they're just like, you know, is Nicole now like a right wing Christian nationalist?

00:09:31.820 that's how of course progressives would explain such a thing yeah but i'm not i'm actually exactly

00:09:37.340 who i've always been with new life lessons that have empowered me to share with more clarity

00:09:45.060 can you can you talk about how in between your miscarriage and posting the baptism video there

00:09:52.500 were a few months there and i know you said that you you felt like you could understand the

00:09:58.300 intentions of God more. But can you talk specifically about, because you converted

00:10:02.280 to Judaism a few years ago. Over a decade ago. Okay. Over a decade ago. And now you're a Christian.

00:10:09.200 So at what point did you realize, wow, this Jesus person is who he says he is and Christianity is

00:10:17.980 true. Yeah. I started paying more attention to Christianity a few months into the campaign. 0.98

00:10:30.180 For one, I started spending a lot of time with Zach Henry, who is, he helped launch Vivek

00:10:38.580 Ramaswamy's political career. And he was part of Vivek's team that I had interviewed when I

00:10:45.100 decided to run for vice president. Zach is an evangelical Christian from Texas. Okay. And

00:10:53.220 Zach's presence and his love of the Bible and Jesus is one of the things that really changed

00:11:06.020 me and my perspective of evangelicals. And again, I'm from Oakland. I spent all my time

00:11:13.000 in progressive circles and white christian evangelical nationalists were destroying 0.95

00:11:21.000 america right and um oftentimes uh painted as radicals who are unempathetic um love 0.96

00:11:35.100 trump or trump sycophants and are just how do i like non-intellectual unintelligent like 0.95

00:11:45.360 like all of these horrible backwards backwards um like hateful right yeah mean and hateful 0.94

00:11:55.400 and then here i am with zach henry the first first evangelical christian in my life wow

00:12:02.720 And I'm like, this guy is incredibly nice.

00:12:06.740 Yeah.

00:12:07.360 Also really smart.

00:12:09.580 Incredible tech savvy.

00:12:11.360 One of the best writers I've ever met.

00:12:13.940 Learned my voice like within a few weeks.

00:12:16.940 Was able to like, we work together so well.

00:12:19.420 Probably one of the favorite people I've ever worked with.

00:12:21.920 Yeah.

00:12:22.800 And incredibly compassionate.

00:12:26.220 And so my biases all go out the window with Zach on eBay.

00:12:31.960 evangelical christianity shout out zach i don't know zach but good job zach that's a great

00:12:37.640 impression yeah and and you know like when you're on a campaign trail with a politician you know

00:12:45.700 politicians they have bad days too yeah probably some of the worst i can imagine and um zach saw

00:12:54.200 me on some pretty rough days and he had compassion he would walk he would just kind of explain his

00:13:00.520 political analysis but he would do so from a place of just patience but also his references

00:13:10.800 he would include biblical references at times too and i'd be like that's a really interesting

00:13:16.520 analogy and then i would like kind of go and like prod more and ask about some of these biblical

00:13:21.500 references because i'm i'm aware of the torah but when you pair the torah with the new testament

00:13:28.100 something totally different happens um and you've you've got now this expectation that you can be

00:13:38.760 this great person that that others you can be genuinely great in in your own body but you can

00:13:46.580 also create this experience for others around you of like this is the good and just thing to do

00:13:53.520 And I think that example is what those who follow in the way of Christ and really think of Jesus as an individual, this like really model individual, they seek to create that atmosphere for others.

00:14:11.220 and it's that seeking of like i have modeled and studied a way of being that creates peace

00:14:21.160 and harmony in this world and that is how i want to be and that is what zach brought to our team

00:14:27.380 consistently day after day never a bad day almost actually i can't think of a bad day

00:14:34.500 you know yeah but there is a sense of right and bad and when things were going bad he would

00:14:39.960 intervene and he would do so effectively without any hyperbole without any like superfluous

00:14:47.560 unnecessary kind of emotions it was kind of always like the right emotion the right emotion

00:14:53.460 brought to the right situation yeah um and people in my world will spend tens of thousands of

00:15:01.240 on therapy to get there yeah that's true a lot of people do so did you have a hard time believing

00:15:11.280 at any point like the core message of christianity not just that jesus is a model for our lives but

00:15:18.700 that he is god that he died for our sins rose again that he's the way to the father because

00:15:25.740 i think a lot of people can kind of accept that jesus was a good moral teacher he was a good

00:15:30.480 example but this idea that we are sinners and that we need a savior and that he is our sacrifice

00:15:38.280 did you have to kind of grapple with that at all oh yeah i think about it a lot every single day

00:15:44.980 because it's an it's a it's a different it's a completely different way of existing it's it's

00:15:50.780 way. And so I talk about it in my baptism story. Diane Robinson, who came into my life

00:16:01.100 in the week after I came out of the hospital. So that first week of October, 2024, I meet

00:16:10.860 Diane Robinson, who is the lead chaplain at Santa Rita Jail. And I was introduced to her

00:16:19.140 actually through my masseuse, who's a devout Christian, very kind man, and has become a good

00:16:24.500 friend of mine. And so she comes because she was told that I had had this horrible miscarriage. I

00:16:33.480 had almost lost my life. And I was pretty shaken that next week. You know, first of all, my milk

00:16:40.660 came in. And then you have no baby. Your milk comes in. That's one of the worst feelings in

00:16:45.880 the world and all the hormones that come with post delivery but without the baby to kind of

00:16:50.880 make it better that's so hard yeah yeah and um you know my life in many ways is like in such

00:17:01.000 incredible discord like I have an ex-husband that I'm in a custody battle with because he doesn't

00:17:07.440 believe autism is biomedical and so it's like I have all these like really big things that I'm

00:17:14.200 fighting for nationally yes and in many ways for the world to see it's like they see bits and

00:17:20.360 pieces of it but like you know what happens in my personal life oftentimes is like a microcosm of

00:17:27.940 something that's happening on the national stage or bigger and and so you know I get home from

00:17:35.900 losing my child realizing I have this like weird blood clotting issue probably a vaccine injury

00:17:42.640 from the mRNA because that's one of the things that happens. Knowing that like my situation is

00:17:48.280 not unique. There are many women that are having horrible miscarriages all over this country right

00:17:52.860 now. We have terrible maternal mortality issues. I mean, I'm lucky to be alive. I had the best in 0.94

00:18:03.260 class doctors. But I know a lot of women don't make it out of that. So then I like come home 1.00

00:18:10.380 and you know my daughter's now has to go to her dad's house and i like i miss her it's just

00:18:17.460 the amount of discord so diane robinson comes in my life she opens the bible in front of me

00:18:22.880 and she goes to the verses where she's like you need to think about jesus's blood like the the

00:18:33.060 the blood of christ and i'm like what the hell is she talking about like what is she talking about

00:18:39.100 And like all I can think about is the four liters of blood I lost and the transfusion I had and like how I'm like full of all these other people.

00:18:45.740 It's like the last thing I want to think about is blood right now.

00:18:48.160 Yeah.

00:18:49.280 And so she's like, no, you don't.

00:18:52.620 You have to understand the power of Jesus' blood because it's a covenant.

00:18:59.520 And that covenant is the most sacred covenant.

00:19:03.400 and and like you know i've heard these terms and these terms they don't really

00:19:10.120 fully make sense until you realize that like

00:19:16.500 the world that we are inhabiting right now is so full of pain and my world was so full of pain in

00:19:24.760 that moment and it's still you know there's still pain there's so much pain and but

00:19:33.380 to know that it's you're not alone that like jesus's blood was shed for for us humans

00:19:47.180 in this world of pure discord so that we know our souls belong to him and our souls belong to god

00:20:01.260 And that God loves us so deeply that even in our moment of pain and death, we actually can know 100% without any doubt that like we are in God's kingdom.

00:20:17.080 Like we are in God's kingdom as we live and breathe and as we retire our bodies.

00:20:23.300 and it's really funny hearing myself say this because I've heard other people say this before

00:20:29.440 and it didn't it made it made no sense yeah it like I kind of got it I was like that's really

00:20:33.840 nice yeah but to actually now have like it's almost like God was like you still don't get it

00:20:40.860 do you yeah like okay let's take you a little further yeah um and uh and I don't know if that's

00:20:47.760 the case. But I will say that there's a sense of waking and breathing every day now that it's like

00:20:57.240 I know from moment to moment, even when I'm on my knees, God loves me. When everyone is a f***ing 0.97

00:21:03.760 head around me, God loves me. That like when there is temptation in front of me, I don't have to be 0.98

00:21:13.000 scared yeah right like if there is a situation of like doing right or kind of right or shadowy right

00:21:19.880 just do the right thing you know and and if people criticize me or take me you know

00:21:27.560 like publish slander about me all over the press or even threaten to take my child away from me

00:21:33.800 i will do the right thing wow right because god loves me yeah yeah and he and he loves my little

00:21:42.980 girl. It's a game changer. It's a game changer. Yeah. So we're kind of like working backwards,

00:21:48.660 which I love because I want to talk about I'm sure that your your political awakening or the

00:21:55.360 changes in your political worldview also like played a part in your like theological and

00:22:01.480 spiritual awakening, too. And so let's back up a little bit. Let's talk a bit more about the

00:22:07.980 campaign, you spoke of some just like really dark moments of seeing the very clear dichotomy of good

00:22:15.220 and evil when you were up close and personal in the world of politics. Can you talk about that

00:22:19.840 more? Yeah. Yeah. I saw people turn their backs on me so quickly. People that I had given money

00:22:28.280 to who came to me because they were like, you know, Nicole, I want to help, you know, and it's

00:22:35.560 like these are people who came to me and i helped every single time yeah you know i've always believed

00:22:43.320 that the purpose of wealth is to help those in need and i would i would show up every single time

00:22:50.000 you know mothers that i would i would give my daughter's baby clothes to you know kids whose

00:22:58.160 birthdays i i helped celebrate during the pandemic because they couldn't you know have birthdays um

00:23:05.540 A woman who wanted to buy the first Afro-Indigenous farm in Sonoma, like, no problem.

00:23:13.020 Wow. 1.00

00:23:13.640 Indigenous women who are like, we need money to get this movie published on land back. 0.99

00:23:20.140 And I'm like, yes. 0.63

00:23:21.440 Yeah.

00:23:21.620 You know, like, you deserve sovereignty and agency.

00:23:24.260 I'm going to help you.

00:23:25.400 They all systemically turned their back on me.

00:23:28.440 Wow.

00:23:29.520 Publicly?

00:23:30.700 Some publicly, anonymously.

00:23:33.640 Yeah.

00:23:34.220 But you know.

00:23:34.760 Um, no, like, you know, stopped hearing from them, you know, in my time of need when I was

00:23:41.340 getting ripped apart by the press, nothing.

00:23:43.600 Yeah.

00:23:44.380 Nothing.

00:23:44.940 None of them came out to say, actually, even if I disagree with Nicole, she's a great person.

00:23:49.700 Yeah.

00:23:50.480 Wow.

00:23:51.100 Yeah.

00:23:51.700 That hurts.

00:23:52.800 That hurts beyond just the press slamming you because those are people that you know.

00:23:57.960 That hurts way deeper.

00:23:59.320 Yeah.

00:23:59.720 It hurts way deeper.

00:24:00.580 My closest, closest friends, there's four of them.

00:24:04.040 they stuck with me they're confused by my journey but they are good friends yeah but a lot of the

00:24:09.700 people that in my foundation world um two people that were on my foundation board resigned you know

00:24:18.020 it was it was just it was really tough I but I understood it but it was kind of just like

00:24:25.700 bewildering to me because it was not like I came out for Trump like overnight it was a process and

00:24:32.720 I was very public and transparent about what that process looked like.

00:24:38.540 And my platform never shifted.

00:24:42.000 My platform has always been around agriculture, mothers, health, children, you know, let's

00:24:50.280 get to the bottom of chronic disease.

00:24:52.160 It's always stayed the same.

00:24:54.480 So I saw a lot of fickleness in a lot of really powerful people and people that, you know,

00:25:02.560 really i don't know what they felt they had to lose but like the amount of fickleness in the face

00:25:09.720 of such great um i mean we're in the middle of a of a war against law a great deal of loss like

00:25:22.000 we're losing children we're losing motherhood we're losing agriculture and food and they our

00:25:29.560 policies are absolutely disastrous um and so i think you know but but i am at a point where

00:25:41.440 even before i almost died in september i was at a point i was like we have to do the right thing

00:25:47.840 guys like come on like this should be obvious this is beyond politics like let's this is beyond

00:25:54.680 parties like let's really focus on the issues at hand and like let's get to the bottom of it

00:26:01.160 and then i started discovering things that were labeled right-wing conspiracy theories

00:26:07.560 that ended up i found quite a bit of evidence to support it like what well you know the idea that

00:26:16.800 the mRNA vaccine is causing infertility, right? And the conspiracy theory was that it was a

00:26:25.400 depopulation, you know, program. Well, it actually has caused depopulation. Whether or not it was

00:26:30.740 intentional, we'll find out. But like there were many people calling that out for a greater part

00:26:38.060 of the last two years. And it was all labeled a conspiracy theory. The fact that Fauci knew

00:26:46.760 some of the risks of the vaccine. That the COVID vaccine has the potential to cause infertility in

00:26:54.100 women. Yeah. And because a lot of people were saying at the time, it's, you know, it's affecting

00:26:59.100 my period, it's affecting the period of people around me. And I didn't get the vaccine. But I

00:27:04.760 remember listening to a podcast at the time that basically dispelled that as a total myth that it

00:27:10.200 can't happen, that there's nothing even in the nature of mRNA that could possibly do that. And

00:27:15.880 yeah all of these women were saying the same thing i'm like at some point it's like patterns

00:27:20.880 mean something right yeah where you know and and so the systemic dismissal of that by especially

00:27:29.160 the mainstream media and then um friends of mine still towing the the party line that like it's

00:27:37.580 safe and effective that it still saved more lives than it destroyed right and then it just and we

00:27:45.060 We don't really know that.

00:27:46.360 We actually, I think, know for certain that's not the case.

00:27:50.000 Really?

00:27:50.280 That it has destroyed far more lives than it has saved.

00:27:53.700 And that there were treatments.

00:27:54.560 The vaccine itself?

00:27:55.440 The vaccine itself.

00:27:56.080 Okay, so not even just the vaccine mandates.

00:27:57.920 You believe that the vaccine itself has hurt more people than it's helped?

00:28:01.140 I think pretty conclusively it hurt more people than it helped.

00:28:06.100 And especially in light of the fact that there were treatments available for COVID that were effective at the time.

00:28:13.300 and that the COVID-19 vaccine doesn't stop transmission.

00:28:18.640 And they said that it would.

00:28:21.320 And that's like one of the highlights of the RFK campaign

00:28:24.500 when he was like, can I play it for, I think it was Howard Stern,

00:28:28.900 when he was like, can I play when Fauci and Maddow

00:28:31.960 and all those people said that you wouldn't get COVID,

00:28:34.360 you wouldn't transmit COVID if you got the vaccine.

00:28:36.420 And I don't think they played the series,

00:28:38.380 but he was obviously right about that.

00:28:40.260 They said something that wasn't true.

00:28:42.080 Yeah.

00:28:43.300 Another example, which crosses over with your work, Allie, is I was such a Planned Parenthood, freedom of choice, maximalist.

00:28:59.520 and there was prior to joining politics I couldn't see anything negative to Planned Parenthood and

00:29:11.420 what it represented and what it stood for because since I was a little girl the women's movement

00:29:17.700 was always around abortion and the freedom to choose and bodily autonomy and I and I

00:29:25.940 And that was one that even, like, months in was something that I couldn't imagine ever being pro-life, right?

00:29:42.700 Or understanding the pro-life perspective.

00:29:47.340 and um we had Angela Stanton King um a black woman who lives in Georgia

00:29:55.600 and and you know my liberal brain is like oh whatever you know like there there it's just

00:30:04.840 this little liberal progressive brain is always like okay always prioritize minorities like

00:30:12.300 always prioritize minority opinions um minority non-profits my you know x y and z like and so

00:30:20.600 angela comes to me and of course i'm like yes you know what do you need me to do i'll do anything

00:30:26.000 and and and we had her working on black voter outreach and she's like we are going to texas

00:30:33.640 and we are going to a maternity home and we are going to meet the babies that were saved from

00:30:41.680 abortion the black babies that were saved from abortion wow and I'm like yes okay let's do it

00:30:48.040 and um it's my first time it was my first time going to such a home and I got to hold this little 0.52

00:30:57.180 baby boy and cutest guy um ever I mean I just like and I just like held him I was like I was

00:31:05.840 like this is a you know you don't even think about pro-choice you're just holding this child

00:31:11.360 And you're like, I just love this child so much.

00:31:14.400 And it's not political.

00:31:15.840 And you're like, why did this get so political?

00:31:18.760 And so it was the first time I kind of paused and said to myself, you know, I put all of this time into helping people get abortions.

00:31:26.520 And then I looked around and I was like, I didn't help a single mother keep her baby.

00:31:32.720 And how dare I?

00:31:35.020 How, like, where, like, how dare, like, I am a smart woman who is thoughtful.

00:31:40.120 but how did I miss that in all of my philanthropic work working with the black community

00:31:45.980 how did I miss that one this is an important one yeah and so it was the first time that I

00:31:53.140 kind of like paused and asked myself like is you know I and I wasn't pro-life yet I hadn't

00:32:02.620 announced that I was pro-life I was like I'm definitely pro-choice but if you work in pro-choice

00:32:08.880 You need to equally divide your funds between the choice to keep your child and the choice

00:32:15.080 not to.

00:32:15.900 And why would I only be treating pro-choice as abortion?

00:32:19.800 Yeah.

00:32:20.180 Like how is pro-choice equated to abortion automatically and 100% of the time?

00:32:24.800 Yeah.

00:32:25.140 That doesn't make any sense to me.

00:32:26.760 Mm-hmm.

00:32:27.580 I really didn't get it.

00:32:30.320 And so that was the first time that idea shook in my mind and gave way to space.

00:32:38.880 that like something else is happening.

00:32:42.780 Yeah.

00:32:43.240 And that happened many, many, many more times

00:32:45.800 along the campaign trail

00:32:47.060 that these highly politicized campaign slogans

00:32:52.100 were actually being programmed into people

00:32:54.880 to be absolutists.

00:32:57.500 And if your version of pro-choice

00:33:01.460 is 100% focused on abortion

00:33:04.420 and not the choice of a mother to keep her baby

00:33:08.140 due to economic reasons then you're being programmed by something very dark

00:33:14.460 and so that's when I realized there's something very dark here yeah why is this so dark and why

00:33:21.920 and then I started seeing the celebrations of abortion that it was being celebrated and

00:33:27.000 and even like my you know campaign partner Bobby Kennedy is like every abortion is a tragedy

00:33:34.380 and then you see these women celebrating abortion and not a tear shed and and i found that to be

00:33:44.200 very confusing um and then i looked a little deeper at it and because now i had my absolutist

00:33:51.180 blinders off right i could just see through critical thinking um there's something wrong

00:33:58.860 here there is something fundamentally anti-human and wrong about celebrating abortions yeah it's

00:34:07.140 disgusting and um there's a difference between fighting for the right to choose and having that

00:34:15.420 be still a tragedy right because it is abortions are absolute tragedies

00:34:20.820 to what it has become which is a jingle for a very dark cause um and it's the same thing that

00:34:33.300 i see with this there's like all of these animal slaughters happening 150 million chickens

00:34:40.400 slaughtered cattle um that you know are being threatened to be culled next um vaccines that

00:34:49.800 are making women infertile vaccines that are, in some cases, killing children and having

00:34:58.040 that be brushed aside as, like, a necessary evil. 0.73

00:35:02.100 This idea of, like, a necessary evil, you know, unless you subscribe to that, you're

00:35:08.940 somehow anti-science now?

00:35:10.580 Yeah.

00:35:11.380 No, we can do better.

00:35:13.120 We are a smart community of individuals.

00:35:16.180 We have screening technologies.

00:35:17.620 we can create whole profiles of at-risk individuals why is this absolutist thinking

00:35:26.320 dominating yeah why are there why are the necessary evils so dominant yeah there's something wrong

00:35:36.520 i love your um your explanation of how your mind changed on abortion i speak to lots of

00:35:45.960 pregnancy centers across the country. And I still remember speaking at a banquet at a fundraiser for

00:35:52.400 a pregnancy center in Houston. I think it's one of the biggest pregnancy centers in the country.

00:35:55.840 And it's run by this super strong Christian black woman. Again, you know, most she would say this 0.95

00:36:02.260 most black women vote Democrat and a lot of them are pro-choice. She's like adamantly pro-life 0.98

00:36:07.480 helping our community so much. But a moment that just sticks out to me and like my own pro-life

00:36:12.800 journey was when she asked this table of young women to stand up. And I turned around and all

00:36:18.400 of these young women were holding these little babies. And she said, all of those eight women 0.62

00:36:23.640 had their babies this year because they took the abortion reversal pill in our pregnancy center.

00:36:31.280 And that just, like as someone who has been pro-life, that even further just humanized

00:36:36.200 the work that these pregnancy centers are doing. Like I hear so much from the pro-choice, or I say

00:36:42.500 pro-abortion side because of the kind of the case that you just laid out that while we need to be

00:36:47.440 doing more for mothers and i agree like we should be there's a lot that can be done but the truth

00:36:52.300 is is that a lot of these pregnancy centers are doing that work and if you really think we should

00:36:57.940 be doing more for mothers like i've never met a pro-choice person who will also volunteer at the

00:37:03.180 local pregnancy center and talk to the woman about what she's going through and maybe parenting is an 0.92

00:37:08.700 option for her in fact a lot of those women in pregnancy centers are turned away from planned 0.72

00:37:12.960 parenthood because they don't want to tell the woman about how to parent or how to put their

00:37:18.080 child up for adoption they don't want to talk to them about that and so really like if you want to

00:37:23.800 look at the side who is giving a real choice to women it's the pro-life side that says hey you

00:37:30.100 can do this yeah and we will be here for you but you're right i mean it is really now it's such a

00:37:36.740 light versus darkness issue to me. I mean, the pro-abortion side just lies and uses euphemisms

00:37:43.640 to try to trap you into believing their side. And that's, I mean, that's as dark as it gets

00:37:48.220 when you're talking about human baby life that's on the line. I have to agree. And

00:37:54.700 I, you know, your book did such a good job talking about the history of abortion. And it's really

00:38:03.160 interesting because you talk about the eugenics movement um which i have before even relating it

00:38:13.320 to the history of abortion which i wasn't even aware of yeah it's a straight line it's all

00:38:18.980 connected oh yeah i was already rallying against the eugenics movement as it related to where

00:38:26.220 genomics has gone and how abused genomics, I mean, how certain organizations treat genomics

00:38:37.640 as this cure-all to all diseases, such that they're willing to now use CRISPR on humans.

00:38:45.460 What is that?

00:38:46.820 CRISPR.

00:38:47.280 CRISPR is a protein-based gene editing therapy where you can use a protein effectively

00:38:59.040 to snip DNA and then replace it with different DNA.

00:39:06.040 Okay.

00:39:06.940 That's above my scientific understanding.

00:39:10.100 But you're saying that they're doing this in nefarious ways.

00:39:13.520 Well, it ends up being something that I think is worth looking at through a moral lens.

00:39:22.400 Yeah.

00:39:23.200 Because, you know, I first came across CRISPR and was like, CRISPR is amazing.

00:39:31.060 We can solve all of these diseases with CRISPR by just changing the DNA.

00:39:36.320 And then I realized that there was something more happening and I found it through my work

00:39:41.480 in women's fertility.

00:39:43.680 I'm the largest donor in women's reproductive longevity. 0.88

00:39:47.960 I actually helped create the field.

00:39:49.840 The field didn't exist in longevity medicine until I came along and I said,

00:39:54.860 I'm going to put $100 million into women's reproductive longevity.

00:39:58.700 Well, the first big battle I had was when there was a group that was trying to create eggs out of skin cells. 0.94

00:40:09.440 And they're doing it under the guise of women's health. 0.99

00:40:12.860 I don't understand how creating zygotes in a lab is women's health, but that was the 0.99

00:40:20.220 first group that kind of tried to infiltrate the reproductive longevity movement that I 0.86

00:40:25.920 was working so hard to create.

00:40:27.060 And when you say reproductive longevity, do you mean the ability to have babies longer

00:40:30.600 in life? 0.99

00:40:31.700 For healthy women to stay healthy enough so that they can have a baby when they want. 1.00

00:40:37.060 Okay. 1.00

00:40:37.600 Within a reasonable amount of time. 1.00

00:40:39.140 But we now have women in their 20s that are having fertility issues. 0.92

00:40:42.460 We have women in their 30s with serious fertility issues. 0.97

00:40:47.580 And then now we have more women wanting to have babies in their early 40s who can't. 1.00

00:40:52.620 Or who are told by IVF clinics that they can't.

00:40:56.780 So that to me was something that was an unaddressed need in society.

00:41:02.620 And I was like, I, as a person with wealth who feels a great deal of responsibility to

00:41:08.100 do the right thing with their wealth, I'm going to come in and I'm going to help.

00:41:12.460 fund the science into what is now being coined as regenerative women's health.

00:41:18.040 So how do you take a woman who is facing all kinds of health challenges,

00:41:21.920 which is going to show up as infertility often,

00:41:24.860 and how do you address those underlying health issues 0.98

00:41:27.180 and bring that woman's fertility back so that they can conceive naturally,

00:41:32.840 carry naturally, and have a healthy pregnancy, 0.82

00:41:37.680 and then give birth to a healthy child? 0.59

00:41:40.880 Right. 1.00

00:41:41.120 Right. And you'd think every feminist in the world would be on board with this. 1.00

00:41:45.880 Yeah. But we see a bunch of now the feminists go towards IVF, right? And if you're a progressive 1.00

00:41:53.400 feminist, your version of fertility treatment is IVF. And surrogacy. And now surrogacy. And what 1.00

00:42:02.060 comes with that as well is now artificial zygote creation zygote selection and um editing yeah lab 0.85

00:42:12.680 based editing which is all eugenics which is the dream of eugenics wow that has been the vision of

00:42:20.100 eugenics so i'm reading your book and i'm like holy cow the eugenicists were behind planned

00:42:25.360 Parenthood too. And they've taken over the entire women's liberty movement. I'm like, 0.71

00:42:34.800 oh, we're in trouble. And this feels very dark. This feels very, very dark to me. And it feels

00:42:40.600 very scary and very sad. Yeah. Not a lot of people on the progressive side, or I would say even in

00:42:48.020 the middle, or even on the right, will talk about IVF and some of the ethical problems with IVF

00:42:53.900 and surrogacy no many people cheered when yeah trump said he was gonna pay for ivf oh yeah okay

00:43:00.160 so people know i've talked about it a lot people know my you know christian conservative perspective

00:43:05.020 on it and why i'm against it and obviously you're a christian too and we share a lot of the same

00:43:10.780 political views as well but you're coming at it from a little bit of a different angle than i am

00:43:15.820 i think you understand a lot of the technology behind it you know even better than i do but how

00:43:20.780 I've heard you talk about it is different than how I've talked about it. So can you tell us why

00:43:24.420 you're kind of like trying to sound alarm bells about this? I think there's a big risk in, and I

00:43:31.860 come at it strictly scientifically, the scientific definition, one of the scientific definitions of

00:43:37.380 extinction is the inability to naturally procreate. So like English bulldogs, they cannot naturally

00:43:47.860 procreate without assistance. I did not know that. Yeah. Okay. So in fact, if you let English

00:43:53.540 bulldogs have at it, they will not survive as a species likely. Okay. Right. They will go extinct.

00:44:02.800 Such is true of any species, including the human species. So I'm looking at it from the pure view

00:44:11.100 of the human species is going extinct because we are not able to conceive without

00:44:16.320 intervention and IVF is that intervention. So my concern is looking at this very practically

00:44:24.500 from the standpoint of are we so sick we are now dying? We are expiring as a species. The answer

00:44:35.980 is yes. How do we course correct? We have to care for the woman and we have to care for the child

00:44:46.100 And we have to think about medicine through that very narrow lens of organic procreation.

00:44:56.740 Because if we lose that, we have lost the human species.

00:45:00.980 And that is what is happening.

00:45:03.720 And it is the ethical thing to do if you are investing in science, if you are providing medical care, if you are a public health official.

00:45:14.940 It is your ethical responsibility to understand that.

00:45:19.660 And then it is also your ethical responsibility to understand the risks that IVF actually

00:45:26.320 pose on healthy women.

00:45:27.580 So when I saw them selling IVF and egg freezing to like 20-year-olds, healthy 20-year-olds,

00:45:34.120 if you look at the data, IVF increases breast cancer risk.

00:45:39.780 it completely miswires your ovulation um it is not without its own risk of ovarian torsion

00:45:51.880 which has has left many women um infertile and and requiring

00:45:59.980 being rushed to the hospital to fix that ovarian torsion or in some cases they lose their ovary 1.00

00:46:07.260 Yeah. So this is a highly risky, highly invasive medical procedure. It's not natural at all

00:46:18.820 to the human body, which is what causes these downstream long-term issues, potential health

00:46:27.220 risks. And so I see the IVF industry selling it to healthy women as if it's like getting your oil

00:46:34.160 changed yeah risk-free you do it on your lunch break oh yeah right and it was actually the um

00:46:41.980 owner martin varsofsky that i had a he's the owner of a prelude um which is part of a group that

00:46:51.720 owns most of the ivf clinics in the united states and in about 2017 i had a like a real

00:47:03.600 debate with him because he was like yeah my secretary just did it on our lunch break

00:47:08.360 it's no big deal it's like what are you talking about it's a huge like which part harvested her

00:47:14.080 eggs or had the embryos transferred um he i don't remember which part it was like he claimed that

00:47:20.580 the whole process of like harvesting eggs is no biggie yeah which i've heard from even pro ivf

00:47:26.820 women it's a big deal it can be extremely painful they'll gaslight you about your pain and i know 1.00

00:47:33.280 you've talked about this but they will harvest a ton of eggs they're technically not supposed to 0.76

00:47:38.620 but they will be harvesting 20 something eggs and like the hormones that you have to stimulate your

00:47:44.260 body with in order to get those eggs ready for retrieval as you're saying lots of consequences

00:47:49.720 lots of pain and the creation of all of those embryos those human lives so many times women

00:47:56.580 are not told by doctors like by the way you might have leftover embryos and you should think about

00:48:02.240 that. It's just, if you want to have a kid, this is what you have to do. Right. And you can either

00:48:07.000 donate your embryos to science. God knows what's going to happen to them. Or you can have them

00:48:11.760 destroyed in the lab. And some, you can have embryo adoption, but I mean. You can donate.

00:48:17.220 Yes. There's more than a million, you know, frozen embryos on ice right now. And who knows

00:48:23.560 what's going to happen to them? Yeah. Nobody really knows. Yeah. I just did a great podcast

00:48:29.840 with Callie Fell.

00:48:31.280 Yes, I listened to it.

00:48:32.500 She's fabulous.

00:48:33.420 She's a really good one to follow on this issue. 0.97

00:48:37.340 And she met a woman that they harvested over 50 eggs from her in one round.

00:48:43.400 At one time.

00:48:44.520 My gosh.

00:48:45.880 Which is just wild when you think that the body's only designed to ovulate one egg per

00:48:51.120 month.

00:48:52.040 Yeah.

00:48:52.440 Yeah.

00:48:53.400 Oh, my goodness.

00:48:54.600 You know, it's funny, like you mentioned before, if you're against all these progressive stances,

00:48:59.840 than you're anti-science, but I find that progressives tend to not believe that science

00:49:05.160 has anything to tell us about, say, gender or sex, or it doesn't have anything to tell us about

00:49:12.380 gestation, or it doesn't have anything to tell us about how reproduction should work. Like natural

00:49:18.100 biological science almost, it seems to the progressive worldview, gives us no relevant

00:49:24.240 information for how we should act and the choices we should make. But at the same time,

00:49:29.280 they will say that conservatives are the ones that are anti-science that's just kind of a

00:49:33.660 disconnect that i've noticed well i think progressives spend so much time making an enemy

00:49:39.000 out of conservatives and christians that progressives end up getting fixated on that enemy

00:49:47.080 yeah versus stopping and thinking more critically and when they stop and think more critically they

00:49:54.780 actually have a ton in common with conservatives yeah that was my personal experience um that we

00:50:03.380 are so much more unified than how progressives are being used right now progressives are being

00:50:10.340 used in a way that i can only describe my mom describing what it was like being in china

00:50:21.580 during the advent and the acceleration of communism.

00:50:28.460 A similar thing was described to me happened in Russia as well,

00:50:39.320 where all of these young people thought that they were these great leaders for freedom.

00:50:47.020 and they were actually being used for a massive fascist takeover of the country.

00:50:53.540 Yeah.

00:50:54.400 And the same thing's happening in America.

00:50:57.280 Progressives are being used and their empathy and compassion is being used

00:51:02.440 for a fascist takeover of the United States government.

00:51:07.220 Yeah.

00:51:08.420 They see it as the opposite though.

00:51:11.040 Well, they're well trained.

00:51:12.880 Yeah.

00:51:13.140 I want to go back to something that you said that was on my list of things that to talk about. And

00:51:20.940 we just didn't get to it at the moment, but you mentioned your daughter being diagnosed with

00:51:27.540 autism. You were in the midst of a custody battle, which caused kind of discord in your life,

00:51:32.320 but your daughter being diagnosed with autism a few years ago was also kind of a turning point

00:51:37.420 or a waking up point for you, right? When it came to, I don't know if it's progressivism,

00:51:43.000 in general or just the healthcare system in America? Can you talk about that?

00:51:48.340 Sure. So my daughter is now sick. She was diagnosed with autism when she was 18 months of

00:51:53.440 age. And this was right during, it was actually the second month of lockdowns that she was

00:52:03.420 diagnosed with autism. So I have a company that I had spent seven years building at that point,

00:52:10.680 clear access ip and it was the most sophisticated um natural language model in ai using deep

00:52:18.920 learning at the time it was really i was so proud of it and it was in the it was in the patent space

00:52:25.080 because i believed i so deeply and i still do i still believe that the power of human innovation

00:52:31.440 to create good is exceptional and my whole life up until that point was around patents the

00:52:37.860 innovation system, trading patents, accelerating human innovation for the betterment of humanity.

00:52:45.320 So my company is doing fairly well, but then lockdown and then autism diagnosis happened

00:52:52.680 at the same time. And I ended up having to make a decision if I was going to continue running my

00:53:00.680 company or be a full-time autism mom. And it became more and more clear that my daughter was

00:53:04.820 going to need more of me. So in those months, I sold my company, which was the thing that I had

00:53:13.960 been so glued to every single day for seven plus years. So I sell my company and then I do a deep

00:53:23.340 dive into autism while the world is in lockdown, believing every word the mainstream media was

00:53:29.820 saying about um COVID and and it's just it still took it it took me a really long time it took me

00:53:40.260 actually until um the end of 2022 to realize that the world there was somehow this takeover that

00:53:52.820 happened overnight while none of us were paying attention that the world had literally been taken

00:53:57.380 over by a new cadre of leadership yeah um and somehow autism vaccines and globalism had something

00:54:10.780 to do with all of it yeah but i didn't quite piece it all together i didn't even realize that

00:54:15.080 there was this conservative independent media world i wasn't on twitter yeah so i wasn't hearing

00:54:21.540 all of the talk um you're just watching like msnbc cnn cnn yeah whatever came across my

00:54:29.300 instagram my like friends circle instagram feed um but so this part of the story is hard to tell

00:54:38.300 because it's it is very deeply personal to my um marriage with my ex-husband yeah and

00:54:47.800 And, you know, he's not just anyone, you know, he's a co-founder of Google.

00:54:54.740 Yeah.

00:54:55.100 And Google's role during the lockdown was significant.

00:54:58.900 Google's role during, you know, the Fauci narrative was, I mean, partnered.

00:55:06.420 There was a very, very deep centralized narrative.

00:55:11.340 And Google really was the leader in making sure that narrative was the truth.

00:55:21.420 They censored so many voices.

00:55:27.020 And even to this day, Google's AI censors voices.

00:55:31.540 so I you know I yeah and you have to understand this impacted my home life too yeah right because

00:55:44.980 it was hard for me to get answers for my child yeah for our child and so you're trying to piece

00:55:51.000 things together and figure things out and you're are you already naturally kind of pushing against

00:55:56.260 the mainstream narrative just because of who you are? Well, so I was knee deep in the autism

00:56:02.860 literature and realized that the world of autism, I can remember very specifically a call I had with

00:56:09.920 a neurologist who just, and I'm calling about my child, right? Like, I don't know about the

00:56:16.380 politics of autism at that point. I'm just like, tell me what's going on. And he just let loose.

00:56:23.200 He goes, the behaviorists have taken over the field of autism.

00:56:28.140 It is biomedical.

00:56:30.100 Neurologists like me that try to get our work and voices out that there's something

00:56:33.840 biomedically going on with these kids.

00:56:36.180 We are all censored.

00:56:38.300 We get no funding.

00:56:40.020 The government completely ignores us.

00:56:42.500 And it ignores the medical needs of these children.

00:56:45.860 So here I'm on the phone.

00:56:47.080 I'm like, what am I supposed to do with this information?

00:56:50.380 Wow. It's providential though.

00:56:53.880 Yeah. And he's like, well, okay, fine for your daughter, you know, I'll help you do

00:56:57.360 an overnight EEG. And I'm like, okay, great. I'm like, cause I'm just like trying, I'm like

00:57:02.480 doing what every mom does. I'm just trying to figure out what my, what's going on with my kid

00:57:06.960 and how to help her. So, you know, as I, as I do more of that, I, I actually then realized that

00:57:14.900 the behaviorist, including Stanford Autism Center and ABA and PRT and all of this like behavioral

00:57:23.260 stuff is really being run by individuals that are very conflicted because they're like trying

00:57:34.100 to establish themselves as being the leaders in autism. And in order to do that, you need money.

00:57:39.780 so within like this period of time i'm just trying to get my daughter support and people

00:57:48.360 are trying to fundraise off of off of her they're like oh you know i'll help you with this but i'm

00:57:55.620 gonna send you a grant request so that started happening yeah i was like this is really messed

00:58:02.120 up they're trying to get money from you because they know your daughter's diagnosis and they think

00:58:06.600 that you'll support them because of her. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. They're like, well,

00:58:11.420 that doesn't feel great. And I'm like, okay, well, there's a conflict. So I'm going to put

00:58:14.500 you guys over there who want money from me for autism and the people who are actually helping

00:58:19.440 my child, I want to leave unconflicted. But the behaviorists are very aggressive in protecting

00:58:25.460 their narrative, which now I look back and I'm like, that was a red flag. Yeah. And there were

00:58:32.240 many red flags along the way. Sorry. Just to clarify, what is the behaviorist narrative

00:58:37.880 about autism? That autism is a DSM-5 clinical diagnosis. It's a mental illness. That you're

00:58:45.820 born with? That you're born with or that you develop. It's a developmental illness like

00:58:52.220 paranoia is a DSM-5 diagnosis. Now autism is a DSM-5 diagnosis. It's the manual for diagnosing

00:59:02.180 mental disorders yeah and and this happened um it's been kind of ongoing and the behaviorists

00:59:10.000 have always believed that like it's just something psychological now you know at this point i realize

00:59:18.700 autism is definitely not just behavioral it's definitely not just psychological because my

00:59:22.980 child is showing real signs of medical issues like screaming pain inability to control her arm

00:59:31.500 she like flaps her arms um biting herself self-injury like she actually cannot speak

00:59:40.160 and I'm like why can't she speak yeah like it's it's not like no amount of speech therapy is

00:59:45.540 helping at this point I have earned speech therapy for multiple years like you know she's she just

00:59:50.900 actually cannot speak yeah um she like lost eye contact for a while um stomach bowel issues and

01:00:00.740 I'm like, okay, clearly this is not just paranoia and anxiety.

01:00:05.860 Like there's something physical going on here.

01:00:09.860 And that's what you mean when you say biomedical.

01:00:12.180 You mean something physical that caused this.

01:00:15.360 Well, it's interesting.

01:00:17.220 That's where your mind goes, right?

01:00:19.580 Because if it is biomedical, then maybe you can trace it to something that could have

01:00:24.220 onset it or some things that exacerbate it.

01:00:29.040 That's where things get really dangerous.

01:00:30.740 This is where people get canceled because Big Pharma, this is the biggest secret Big Pharma has been trying to keep from us, is that perhaps there is something going on with either vaccines or with medications or in our environment or untreated illnesses that result in an autism diagnosis.

01:00:54.340 would that like show up with that symptomatology and and it's very very dangerous this is where

01:01:03.020 you go from being a mom on a quest to a mom who has quote gone crazy right because if you start

01:01:11.980 picking at the biomedical diagnosis or the biomedical issues you ask that question the c

01:01:19.360 word cause could something have caused this and every doctor who is trained by the mainstream

01:01:28.740 medical industry will say we don't know what causes this which is true the the scientific

01:01:37.580 community has not done the proper inquiry to figure out what causes autism and um and you know

01:01:46.360 Then once you go there, you find an RFK and you find all those other mamas who have been silenced over the years and all of those doctors who have been silenced over the years and all of those papers who have been redacted and all of those scientists that are too afraid to do that inquiry or are producing research around that inquiry.

01:02:12.980 you find all of them and then you realize that holy smokes this is the biggest cover-up

01:02:19.460 this is in my lifetime probably this is a huge cover-up and somehow I'm in the middle of it all

01:02:27.840 you know and I found myself married to the guy who started the company that

01:02:32.260 censors all these people right it's a big problem for me yeah it's a big problem it's a big problem

01:02:39.260 for anyone to find themselves in. Was it specifically vaccines that you were convinced

01:02:47.500 were at least partly causing the autism epidemic? So there is, if you really go down

01:02:57.580 the research path, you will find that there's a mitochondrial element to autism or co-occurring

01:03:07.840 medical conditions to autism. That's the safest way to put it. You can't say it is the autism.

01:03:12.560 You can say there are co-occurring medical conditions to autism, which the American

01:03:16.120 Pediatric Society accepts as real. You will find that there is an immune and autoimmune issue.

01:03:24.820 If you think about what vaccines do is they cause immune reactions. That is their purpose.

01:03:30.660 So what happens to some people and people with autoimmune issues is that you have to be

01:03:36.600 very careful with causing an immune reaction because there's some degree of autoimmune

01:03:43.520 dysregulation. There's some degree of autoimmune issues. So anytime one of, you know, an individual

01:03:51.040 with both mitochondrial and immune issues, if they go in or they're already battling a viral

01:03:57.500 infection and they're immune activated and they go in and they get a vaccine, that is a very risky

01:04:03.120 situation. Yeah. Makes sense. Yeah. And if you look at the vaccine insert, right, which none of us

01:04:10.820 actually get to look at, and I've heard from parent after parent that when they've asked

01:04:15.500 their doctor to look at that vaccine insert, the doctor will be like, no, very defensive. You might

01:04:20.700 need to find a new pediatrician. Yeah. Doctors are so defensive about it. They're so defensive.

01:04:25.320 But if you actually get an opportunity to look at the possible risks of all kinds of vaccinations that are standard on the childhood vaccine schedule, there's encephalitis, which is, you know, brain swelling.

01:04:43.820 There's, you know, all kinds of very serious acute issues that can happen.

01:04:49.820 And what they don't necessarily talk about is the chronic issues that occur if one of

01:04:55.640 these acute responses happens.

01:04:59.880 And they don't even give you the ability to monitor your child for having an adverse

01:05:05.640 reaction.

01:05:06.720 Yeah.

01:05:07.940 Not long term.

01:05:09.180 They might sit you in the office for 30 minutes to see if something, you know, like anaphylaxis

01:05:13.400 happens.

01:05:14.040 But long term, you're kind of forgotten about.

01:05:16.900 Yeah.

01:05:17.120 And there's been story after story about mothers calling in, fathers calling in to the doctors and saying, hey, my child got this horrible rash after the vaccine.

01:05:25.680 It's not probably not the vaccine or if it is, don't worry, they'll get through it.

01:05:30.300 Yeah.

01:05:30.480 Um, so we're ignoring, um, a very, very part of healthcare, which is how to screen a child

01:05:39.940 before a vaccination and then how to pick up and screen for adverse reactions that could

01:05:48.260 turn into a chronic lifelong issue in that individual.

01:05:53.860 And, um, that's all we're asking for.

01:05:56.640 That's all this community of mothers is asking for, you know, we just want to see some change as it relates to being responsible around a very, very serious thing that's impacting many, many, many people right now.

01:06:14.300 Yeah. You mentioned that that obviously created conflict with your then husband, but you were also in this kind of like tech world, this tech wives world. And you've talked about before, I heard you talk about in an interview, that these tech wives are very progressive and sometimes they are spearheading the philanthropic progressive causes, not just in Silicon Valley, but really like across the country.

01:06:39.140 And so I imagine as you're kind of going through this, of course, at the time you didn't consider yourself conservative, but you're starting to like piece things together or against your husband, probably against a lot of people in that community.

01:06:51.520 Like, can you tell me a little bit more about what that world is like?

01:06:56.760 How deeply indoctrinated is it in progressive ideology?

01:07:01.260 And also it's, you know, kind of a three part question.

01:07:03.460 Like, what was it like for you as you were kind of waking up to everything?

01:07:06.060 I think at the heart of the progressive billionaire wife mafia is a real desire to want to be liked, to give back, and to be celebrated for doing good work.

01:07:25.640 um and there is an ego a belief that they were brought up in a way many were

01:07:38.380 at highly educated many have professional backgrounds great degrees from great institutions

01:07:46.720 um but then the wealth sets in and if you think about the trajectory these women go on once the 0.99

01:07:58.120 wealth comes in usually the wealth comes in not necessarily because their tech husband is this 0.96

01:08:04.800 exceptional entrepreneur it's because what i've realized is that the government helped fund

01:08:11.640 their husband at some point along the way if you look at like the history of google or the history

01:08:19.180 of facebook or the history of apple even the history of of you know not so much amazon but

01:08:31.600 like even Hewlett-Packard or Oracle, these companies didn't just spring up out of nowhere.

01:08:42.840 They came through institutional backing at some point. In the case of, you know, Facebook and

01:08:54.060 Google especially, where a lot of these tech wife mafia folks come from, it was Stanford.

01:09:03.440 There's this like, there's this Silicon Valley Stanford network. And if you look at where some 0.95

01:09:09.360 of those grants or money came from, early money especially, and then accelerant money,

01:09:14.220 it came from individuals that had government ties. And so these companies serve

01:09:21.400 government functions as well. Like, Google really was involved with the government in helping

01:09:29.920 identify behavior on the internet, and Facebook as well. And so it's no surprise that the

01:09:38.200 intertwining between the Democratic Party, which is so prevalent in California, and these companies

01:09:44.700 has just always been there. That synergy has always been there, and that relationship has

01:09:49.400 always been there and you know I don't think that the wives necessarily are bad people but I think

01:09:59.840 that their worlds are so small and they actually have no idea how small those worlds are until you

01:10:06.220 because they can't break free of it and they're they feel this need to contribute to these causes

01:10:14.640 that are within that very small sphere of influence.

01:10:19.140 And that's their only litmus test of like,

01:10:25.780 am I valuable or am I not valuable?

01:10:28.360 Yeah, and they think they're doing the right thing.

01:10:31.460 We're talking about like Priscilla Chen,

01:10:34.640 Warren Powell Jobs, McKenzie Bezos.

01:10:38.260 I mean, they were-

01:10:39.100 Carrie Tuna, Dustin Moskovitz's wife. 0.85

01:10:41.760 Yes, funding, you know, immigration causes, which are really enabling and exacerbating

01:10:47.600 illegal immigration, so-called criminal justice reform, which I know that's part of your

01:10:52.020 background as well.

01:10:52.920 Yeah, I was the criminal justice one.

01:10:55.080 Yeah.

01:10:55.720 Okay. 1.00

01:10:56.200 And I worked with Carrie Tuna on that.

01:10:57.920 That was kind of your focus.

01:10:59.880 I mean, you helped fund like George Gascon's campaign, right?

01:11:05.360 When he was running for DA.

01:11:06.720 Well, I had worked with him when he was San Francisco's DA.

01:11:09.940 And he actually was good.

01:11:11.360 then but what happened around the pandemic is that this whole other segment what what i don't 0.64

01:11:22.280 think many of the tech mafia wives realize is that they were used to set the groundwork 0.99

01:11:28.800 for what was called like the reset what is called generally as like the reset 0.81

01:11:34.840 by the Klaus Schwab's of the world.

01:11:38.500 Like the Great Reset.

01:11:39.080 The Great Reset, yeah.

01:11:40.280 I mean, they openly talk about this Great Reset.

01:11:42.540 Yeah.

01:11:43.680 So the TechWive mafias, I believe,

01:11:47.120 were kind of being conscripted in many ways,

01:11:49.380 and their money especially was being conscripted in

01:11:51.760 to set the groundwork for the Great Reset.

01:11:57.140 Yeah.

01:11:58.360 Specifically through? 0.95

01:11:59.600 um specifically through a network of non-ngo advisors um relationship with hollywood 0.58

01:12:14.660 um relationship with davos and their own companies so if you look at like who's

01:12:23.900 on these boards, who hangs out with each other, how the culture of tech wealth works, like

01:12:32.280 Silicon Valley tech wealth and that small group of people responsible for a huge amount

01:12:37.320 of money and a huge amount of NGO activity across the United States.

01:12:42.820 It's a really small group of people and it's a really small group of people making these

01:12:46.600 decisions.

01:12:47.100 Yeah. And then and then completely blind to everything else that's going on and how their groundwork is being used to then enable these other policies, these great reset policies.

01:13:06.540 Now, what this group of women doesn't realize is that in their haste, these women are all very busy.

01:13:13.320 Yeah. They have multiple properties. They have tons of staff. They have staff issues, 1.00

01:13:19.240 chronic staff issues. Their kids are busy. Their kids oftentimes have some health issues as well.

01:13:27.780 A lot of them have relationship issues with their husbands. And a lot of them themselves are

01:13:35.880 like medicated on SSRIs and antidepressants and all of that because it's just overwhelming. 0.97

01:13:41.660 yeah so um so it's it's it's chaos and these women find their meaning through their philanthropic

01:13:51.800 work yeah um and they they find themselves like i would find myself that was my self-worth was 0.92

01:13:59.600 my philanthropic work and i really believed in it i really believed that i was giving

01:14:04.600 black communities a chance to like rise up out of oppression i really believed that i

01:14:11.320 is helping Indigenous communities rise up out of oppression.

01:14:15.340 And now that I look back and see how all those grants are performing,

01:14:19.220 you know, because my version of success is those communities are actually uplifted.

01:14:23.720 Yeah.

01:14:24.540 Not just more money pumped into them.

01:14:26.800 Not just more money.

01:14:27.900 No, the problems of the community have gotten worse.

01:14:30.560 Crime in the community has gotten worse.

01:14:32.800 Mental health in the Native community, the Indigenous community has gotten worse. 1.00

01:14:36.680 they will even say the indigenous community will even say that their biggest supporters in congress

01:14:42.980 have been republicans but yet they continue to vote democrat yeah right i mean that is that is

01:14:51.940 this it's like the whole model is broken the whole model makes everybody worse off

01:14:59.880 and now we're contending with the freaking great reset that we're now realizing is the

01:15:06.220 terrible idea yeah yeah and that many of our climate change issues are geo geoengineering

01:15:12.480 issues yeah wow which is like at the end of the day they always go to that they're like but climate

01:15:18.100 change and then yeah that really is the end-all be-all like you have to let us do this because

01:15:23.220 of climate change yeah social justice and climate change it always boils down to those two things

01:15:28.940 and it gets progressive women a hundred percent of the time it does it does so basically how 0.80

01:15:35.260 you're saying it would work you've got all these silicon valley wives who i'm sure are actually

01:15:40.580 empathetic maybe they really want to help people but also tied to prestige and other people thinking

01:15:45.180 that you're a good person yes they start their own foundations but also y'all have got a ton

01:15:50.200 of people coming to you and being like will you pay for my grant will you fund my organization

01:15:54.700 will you do this and you looked at the criminal justice focused things and said or social justice

01:16:01.280 focus thing says, yes, that's how I'm going to dedicate my money. And you're telling me you're

01:16:05.560 going to uplift these communities. So these progressive entities would come to you and ask

01:16:09.920 for money. You would give them the money. And you're saying that none of the programs or anything

01:16:14.140 that they actually installed or instilled went anywhere positive.

01:16:19.620 Well, I think that the programs themselves would run, right? The offices would get bought.

01:16:26.200 the people would get hired everyone would have fancy titles and the non-profits thrived did the

01:16:33.940 communities thrive right no the communities did not thrive around the NGO the NGO thrived it's

01:16:40.740 like teachers unions it's the same racket it's a racket and so you're like and then the thing

01:16:47.080 about NGOs is once they're up and running they're designed to do one thing raise more money hire

01:16:53.340 more people yep right and and so then the fabric like their communities are still in bad shape we

01:17:01.020 need more money they need the communities to remain in bad shape to raise more money yeah but

01:17:06.840 we're so close we just need this we we saw like some progress and the conservatives are ruining

01:17:11.600 the conservatives are the enemy yeah right and um the conservatives are the problem we need more of

01:17:18.140 your money okay here's more money yeah right so it just spirals and you're like oh my god i've

01:17:25.220 created a monster yes i mean you can see how you just kind of get stuck in that cycle you get stuck

01:17:31.220 in the cycle and then and then you can sit down with your board and be like we're pivoting yeah

01:17:35.980 this is no longer our cause we're now gonna pivot and then the ngos will come to you and be like

01:17:41.700 that that one they pivoted we need more of your money and you're like we're falling apart you're 0.99

01:17:46.700 like oh god i put all this time and money into you getting to this thing to this place for this

01:17:50.940 community and it's just like it's a racket yeah it doesn't make anyone better and then it actually

01:17:56.760 requires the um sense the further sensationalizing of the issue yeah to raise more money to raise

01:18:05.820 more money yeah you say that your sights are still set on california politics right or helping

01:18:12.340 california but in a very different way than you used to so i fully believe that woke ideology

01:18:17.920 came out of hollywood through the relationship of big tech hollywood and davos all working together

01:18:25.500 yeah and it's this like alchemy of like creating the sensationalism around woke ideology

01:18:33.340 and um and it is it is that it is silicon valley hollywood and the great reset and it's kind of all

01:18:42.120 spun up together to create content to take over social media to make sure all the money goes in

01:18:48.240 certain ways politically um and so it had and it has taken over the world like because it gets

01:18:57.320 exported it gets exported to the uk it gets exported to germany it gets exported to sweden

01:19:03.180 um you know china is like watching all of this and they're involved as well because they're like 0.54

01:19:09.800 oh there's a opportunity to take over hollywood hello yeah so um so you know china has a has a

01:19:17.000 role in this and you have to keep in mind ali that if if you recall um from davos when carl uh when

01:19:25.440 when schwab had um klaus schwab had xi jinping come and give like the big address at davos and

01:19:34.380 And Xi Jinping comes on the stand and he says, I am now assuming that the role of global

01:19:43.060 peacemaking and leadership.

01:19:45.040 Of course.

01:19:46.680 And that happened, what year was that?

01:19:48.760 I believe that was 2017, 2016, 2017.

01:19:57.740 Wow.

01:19:58.540 I didn't realize that that had happened that long ago.

01:20:02.160 Yeah.

01:20:02.720 Yeah. Okay. So what are your endeavors? Like, what are you trying to change in California?

01:20:11.040 So, so much of this is about helping progressives understand how deeply they're being used

01:20:21.960 to undermine their own communities. Yeah. They're undermining their communities. They're

01:20:29.820 undermining the very people they seek to help because they don't they cannot see the difference

01:20:37.540 between a truly good cause and good actions and this political um chaos yeah and and i want to

01:20:57.580 to help bring that sanity back because the sad thing is is when you get wrapped up in political

01:21:03.460 chaos you lose yourself too yeah you use your you lose your ability to care for yourself

01:21:09.900 you lose the ability to care for your own community you lose the ability to i believe live

01:21:17.000 you know in a good in a in a way that connects you to god you know your primary relationship

01:21:26.660 It should be between the individual and God, right?

01:21:30.300 It's like I believe that even before I believe that Jesus was truly a savior.

01:21:36.540 Yeah.

01:21:37.080 And I believe many progressives do have strong relationships with God.

01:21:44.000 And there's a lot of chaos there.

01:21:45.880 There's a lot of anger and there's a lot of discord.

01:21:49.660 And I really believe that if there's a way to just continue doing the work, whether it's through campaigns, through a book, through podcasts, through media, through journalism, through conversations, through events, if there's a way for me to contribute the proper way, right, which is no longer through philanthropy.

01:22:19.660 but actually through just living the life that like and contributing to communities in a way

01:22:28.300 that the communities feel empowered whether that's a recall right if the community of LA wants a

01:22:33.860 recall they get a recall yeah but like not just any citizen can come up and start a recall you

01:22:40.860 have to have a whole political team you have to have money so if the community wants a recall

01:22:46.380 i believe my job as a person with means in the state of california who wants to help

01:22:52.120 these communities like really help these communities self-govern they get a you know

01:22:56.860 yeah i'm gonna put my effort into that um it's uh it's a completely different way of thinking about

01:23:05.640 um charitable works but i think it's the way that if everyone kind of reframed

01:23:12.080 they're giving yeah to what do the people want yeah versus what does the NGO need

01:23:19.020 we will be able to solve all the problems in an authentic way yeah well I'm hopeful I'm hopeful

01:23:26.620 about the work that you're doing and I know that the like the passion the vigor that you feel

01:23:32.380 especially for moms who are trying to figure things out for their kids who want a better

01:23:36.860 world for their kids. I mean, that is so emblematic of the whole Maha movement, but

01:23:41.440 that's very relatable to a lot of people listening, no matter what side of the aisle they're on. So

01:23:46.440 I'm cheering you on. I'm very thankful. And thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us

01:23:51.180 today. Thanks, Allie.

01:24:06.860 Thank you.

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