Stay Free - Russel Brand - October 09, 2026


Dr. Oz Reveals What's Really Making Americans Sick...- SF764

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00:00:24.000 Hello there, you awakening wonders.
00:00:25.000 Here's the second part of my trip around DC.
00:00:28.000 You know, I spoke to Dr. Oz, I hung out with some of the glitterati of HHS.
00:00:33.000 Indeed, they say politics is show business for ugly people.
00:00:37.000 And although there were some good looking people there, you get the point that there's a lot of schmoozing that goes on.
00:00:42.000 But the Maha movement remains, in a way, focused on very important ideas.
00:00:47.000 Medicine should be beneficial, food should be good for you, and politics should be about maximally using the resources available in order to ensure that people can be happy.
00:00:58.000 Does centralization work anymore?
00:00:59.000 Can you trust these systems?
00:01:01.000 Have we reached a kind of tipping point with big food and big farmer and big agriculture?
00:01:05.000 Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.
00:01:07.000 Hopefully, I did a good job.
00:01:08.000 I certainly did my best.
00:01:09.000 Here's some insights from that trip.
00:01:12.000 Have a look.
00:01:15.000 So, the reason I'm doing this is because I actually love Bobby Kennedy.
00:01:19.000 I love Dr. Oz.
00:01:21.000 I love Tony Lyons.
00:01:23.000 I really appreciate and respect, but I don't know as well, Gary Brecker.
00:01:26.000 I'm sure I'd love him.
00:01:28.000 So, I know that there's people involved in this that Are themselves in their own way, and I include Dr. Rasim here in that, that are willing to make personal sacrifices.
00:01:40.000 Because when you're doing it, you don't think, oh, like when I was talking about COVID and the YouTube channel was blowing up and things were popping off, I sort of knew this is going to create trouble at some point for you.
00:01:53.000 And as it's progressed, I've realized something that's really obvious, and lots of people, like Chesterton says of discovering Christ, you're like a man in a yacht.
00:02:04.000 Off the coast of Portsmouth, thinking you've discovered England.
00:02:09.000 You don't realize this is a populated country of a civilization.
00:02:12.000 Everyone knows all this stuff.
00:02:14.000 I've realized that you don't live for yourself.
00:02:17.000 You've got, and when one inadvertently returns to the habit of living for yourself, that requires correction.
00:02:25.000 So I just have to sort of fall backwards into the arms of God to a level that I didn't think I was capable of, except when I remember.
00:02:34.000 That I was pretty keen to give my whole life to drugs, or pretty keen to give my whole life to the pursuit of fame and money and power.
00:02:41.000 So now I've got to do that for the most powerful force in all reality, the creator and source of all life and all non life, all matter, all non matter, all dark energy, all mystery, all that is known, all that can never be known.
00:02:57.000 I surrender to Him, and as a follower of Christ, I believe that my redemption is in His hands.
00:03:04.000 That I turn away from a life that's about, oh, will I be able to get more money or will I be able to have sex or will people think I'm important?
00:03:10.000 I turn away from that life and turn towards him and his radiant light and trust that he knows better than I do about what's right.
00:03:18.000 In addition to looking at the fact that within Christianity there's institutionalism and there are things that I've got a lot of questions about.
00:03:26.000 But I've been, I embrace this idea, Ace, I tell you that.
00:03:29.000 Like they're taking me and they're moving me, I feel like, into the heart of power.
00:03:35.000 or very close to it.
00:03:37.000 Right, and is that a bit of why you wanted to visit the museum today?
00:03:40.000 I understand you visit a lot.
00:03:42.000 I just like it there.
00:03:44.000 I just like it there.
00:03:45.000 I like seeing the sort of etymology, like, oh, etymology is not quite the right word, it's something like archaeology.
00:03:52.000 I like that you can go, whoa, like they've got all these artifacts, and I like trying to sort of spot where, oh, that inflection has come from this group trying to use it for power, that problem's come from this group trying to use it for power.
00:04:07.000 All of us are trying to use what God has given us for power.
00:04:10.000 Like if you're gifted with intelligence and brilliance or devotion and dedication.
00:04:15.000 You know, all these things are gifts from God and we sort of think, oh, can I have it?
00:04:19.000 Can I use it for me?
00:04:20.000 Can I use it for personal acclaim or for glory or position or whatever?
00:04:25.000 We're all working some sort of gig.
00:04:26.000 I'm just lucky that when I do it, it's very vivid and obvious.
00:04:29.000 I wonder what would happen if I just keep doing such dumb stuff that it's obvious.
00:04:36.000 So I went to the Bible Museum because I just like it.
00:04:37.000 And I wanted the people that I was with to sort of see them.
00:04:41.000 I like them rooms, you know.
00:04:42.000 So that was the motivation there.
00:04:44.000 But just before that, I was with my friends at Cedars, Phyllis and Chris, who are sort of.
00:04:51.000 How do I describe them?
00:04:52.000 Pretty committed Christians that are aware of the relationship between state and government power and the real power of God.
00:04:59.000 And that's what I think, you know, in a way, I've seen that's what I'm interested in now because you're in that.
00:05:04.000 You're in the world of how does this, you know, how does it become that medical power becomes about anything other than we've got to make people better using this technology, this pharmacology.
00:05:14.000 We must heal people.
00:05:15.000 And how on earth has it become something else?
00:05:19.000 I think there's two things I would say is the root of this, which links to actually your journey.
00:05:25.000 Of spirituality and wisdom.
00:05:27.000 You know, Bobby said yesterday, which I loved, and I hadn't really fully appreciated the actual true definition of wisdom is God's knowledge between right and wrong.
00:05:36.000 But what you're going through, Russell, what you've described to me, having had my own spiritual journey, being persecuted by the General Medical Council, still under investigation for trying to speak the truth, is that you've reached a place where nothing can phase you potentially because that is what enlightenment is.
00:05:51.000 But this is, you know, we are kind of in this back.
00:05:56.000 If you like, against what I've described as corporate tyranny on one side, linked to mechanistic ideology.
00:06:04.000 So, within the medical profession, there is this, it's become almost a cult where there is a mechanistic ideology, which is best described as a naive belief in the measurability of reality and the misuse and excessive use of data and statistics.
00:06:20.000 So, we've got this ideological shift away, you know, a dogma.
00:06:26.000 Of science and medicine, which actually good science always comes with uncertainty, but that's been replaced and has also taken us away from the more complete version of humanity, which is a spiritual aspect.
00:06:39.000 But the religious communities have done the very same thing, that they try to collapse it into certainty as well.
00:06:45.000 Yes, exactly.
00:06:46.000 That's what, you know, when you hear religious dogma, it's like, no, we know, and in order to get it, you have to follow us and do what we tell you.
00:06:51.000 Whenever it becomes follow us and do what we tell you, that's not how he operates.
00:06:56.000 He operates with you directly, directly through volition.
00:07:01.000 Follow me is an invitation.
00:07:02.000 But I think all of this again comes back to what the solution is understanding what gives us most meaning in life, which also makes us human.
00:07:10.000 And what gives us most meaning is giving to the other.
00:07:14.000 And when you don't give to the other and you live in an individualistic way, that means social isolation.
00:07:21.000 Social isolation leads to meaninglessness, meaninglessness leads to free floating anxiety.
00:07:27.000 Free floating anxiety causes free floating aggression, which then creates a false enemy.
00:07:31.000 And you have this, you can get solidarity.
00:07:34.000 For a false enemy and tribalism, which is actually what we're trying to now unravel.
00:07:39.000 Do you mean in this conference?
00:07:42.000 I mean in, well, no, I don't think in this conference.
00:07:46.000 I think this conference has got lots of players in it trying to come together and win this battle.
00:07:52.000 But yeah, I think we all need to have a focus on what exactly are we striving for.
00:07:58.000 And I think it all comes back to understanding what it means to be human.
00:08:01.000 Joining us for reform at CMS, Dr. Mehmet Oz, Administrator, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
00:08:09.000 And Moderator Russell Brand, Comedian, Author and Host of Stay Free!
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00:09:42.000 Russell Brand was backstage hugging the Secretary of Agriculture, but here he is.
00:09:49.000 Yes.
00:09:50.000 Took Maha to a whole new level.
00:09:51.000 She initiated that contact, I shall make clear, Doctor.
00:09:56.000 Actually, you initiated it.
00:09:58.000 Thank you for joining us.
00:09:59.000 Should I be the host of this, Doctor, even though your experience and expertise goes way beyond medicine and even beyond government and into hosting?
00:10:07.000 Do I have your permission to host this conversation?
00:10:09.000 So, as you know well, the stage left person is the host.
00:10:13.000 That was from Oprah days because Oprah didn't want to walk across the whole stage without her shoes on, so she would sit there closest to the exit.
00:10:19.000 So, yes, you are the host by de facto.
00:10:22.000 Thank you.
00:10:22.000 I don't know.
00:10:23.000 Not by de facto.
00:10:24.000 I want a deliberate anointing.
00:10:27.000 Anointing you as the host.
00:10:28.000 Dan, what do you think?
00:10:30.000 Thank you very much.
00:10:31.000 Dr. Oz, Dan Brillman, thank you very much for joining us today at this important Maha Summit.
00:10:35.000 We have a great opportunity here to discuss some of the complexity of contemporary American health.
00:10:41.000 One of the things that's always struck me about you in particular, Doctor, aside from the hair, the evident beauty, the incredible family, the ability to surf across time as if they were literal waves, is that you have managed to ensure that care in the spiritual dimension has continued to be relevant while in a position of government.
00:11:03.000 What is the biggest crisis that is facing American health right now?
00:11:07.000 And what do you see as your foremost obligation when it comes to dealing with a culture that has seemed to, for a long time, engender sickness?
00:11:16.000 Without question, the reason you're here is the reason we're in trouble in health care in America.
00:11:22.000 There is no way to make health care costs affordable if what's driving at least 75% of it is chronic illness.
00:11:30.000 And so if you look at other countries and what they pay per person on health care, we're at least twice as expensive because we're twice as fat.
00:11:37.000 And that math plays through.
00:11:38.000 We're 43% obesity two years ago.
00:11:40.000 Now we're down to about 40%.
00:11:42.000 That drop is partly from the GLP 1 medications, but partly because of what's being talked about here.
00:11:48.000 The lifestyle changes that we know translate to reduction in obesity.
00:11:52.000 Obesity, of course, drives hypertension, drives diabetes, and downstream complications, strokes, heart attacks, kidney failure, all the stuff that comes from that.
00:11:59.000 So we're in the right room if you want to deal with the real drivers of costs.
00:12:02.000 But it's not just about making a healthy lifestyle de facto.
00:12:07.000 There are some fundamental problems we have.
00:12:10.000 In this country, with our most vulnerable.
00:12:12.000 And those vulnerable populations are coming two kinds.
00:12:14.000 The first is providers, doctors, nurses, et cetera.
00:12:18.000 You may not believe this, but every doctor deep in their heart knows for sure they finished top half of the class.
00:12:25.000 Not possible.
00:12:26.000 But that's what they think.
00:12:27.000 So when they're not doing as well as everybody else, they don't actually take charge of that problem.
00:12:32.000 We have to deal with that.
00:12:33.000 Second big issue is a good part of this country doesn't really prioritize their health.
00:12:37.000 We see it in many places, but the most obvious is in the Medicaid population, where Dan Brillman, who runs this group with spectacular finesse and an appropriate appreciation of its importance, I think you can enlighten folks in some of the things you're trying to do.
00:12:52.000 Again, this is a population where if you don't meet them where they are, you're not going to get them on board.
00:12:58.000 That was beautifully articulated, Doctor, and I saw you resist the temptation to host.
00:13:02.000 You nearly threw directly to Dan, which would have been a real live castrating of me, which I'm happy that you had the discipline.
00:13:10.000 I consider that part of your Hippocratic oath to do no harm to me while I'm on the stage.
00:13:15.000 Now, Dan, we've just met for the first time, and you are a nexus of great significance.
00:13:20.000 As an Englishman, I don't understand, well, actually much, but I certainly don't understand Medicaid and Medicare and the complex obligations that must come with attempting to manage a relationship between the state and private insurance.
00:13:35.000 Now, what do you consider to be a priority to ensure that with the limitations you have, even though I know that you are blessed with extraordinary budgets, the HHS has a larger budget than my entire nation, and yet we have healthier people and we live on fish and chips, nostalgia and guilt.
00:13:55.000 So, Dan, what precisely is it that we must, or that you in your role as head of Medicaid, must focus on to ensure that the health outcomes that I know that you and Dr. Oz are committed to are achieved?
00:14:07.000 Yeah, one of our biggest opportunities, and thankful to Dr. Oz and his leadership, is our ability to convene and using our power to convene.
00:14:16.000 And in my job, I run a trillion-dollar organization now with states, and 75% of our population has one chronic disease, 33% have three or more.
00:14:25.000 And most of them are at or really close to the poverty level.
00:14:29.000 And so that's really hard to live your fullest life when you're always sick.
00:14:33.000 And for us, there's kind of big transformations happening on the Medicaid side.
00:14:37.000 One that Congress supported as well in supporting people in their path to prosperity.
00:14:41.000 If we can help people improve their economic mobility, support them in the community, close barriers in the community, wrap around them, then we can actually help them be better and live healthier lives.
00:14:54.000 The second one that we focus on is aligning spending and value.
00:14:56.000 Dr. Eisenhower is super focused on helping.
00:14:59.000 Move people into accountable relationships where someone is accountable for your care versus they're just billing you show up, you're already sick, it's too late.
00:15:06.000 And how do we actually move those organizations, which are insurance companies, to focus on true prevention and actually get paid for prevention and the actual outcomes that we're all looking for?
00:15:16.000 The second one that we just announced on Friday, which I think is the most important way that we use our power to convene, is we just announced that 37 states have signed up with us to invest in moving towards actual health outcomes.
00:15:29.000 And harmonizing all the quality measures.
00:15:32.000 I don't want to get into all the quality measures, but we measure way too much.
00:15:35.000 Most of it is processed, checking the box on utilization, and very few of those things are actually focused on prevention, actual chronic disease, mental health, maternal health, where we have very bad statistics and maternal mortality, and getting states to move in that direction together with the federal government and states because there's so much variation in my program.
00:15:56.000 It's 50 different snowflakes.
00:15:58.000 And so if we all move in that direction, we ultimately pay for those things that actually matter.
00:16:02.000 Did I actually move that A1C and move them from diabetic to pre diabetic and down?
00:16:08.000 They're going to bring, and Dr. Ross says this all the time, they can work one more year in their life.
00:16:13.000 We're adding a trillion dollars a year, is that right?
00:16:15.000 Yep.
00:16:16.000 The average person retires at age 62.
00:16:18.000 No one in this room, of course.
00:16:20.000 But the average person retires at 62.
00:16:22.000 One extra year of work, Russell, think about this, is worth a trillion dollars to the U.S. GDP every single year.
00:16:28.000 Because what is our most precious resource?
00:16:30.000 Our people.
00:16:31.000 And so if we don't take care of people, as Hubert Humphrey said, who are in the dawn of life, at the twilight of life, our children or seniors, or, this is a big group that Dan's speaking to, those living in the shadow of life, that's the population we have to get to.
00:16:46.000 This gets us into the psychology of change.
00:16:48.000 How do you get people to change?
00:16:50.000 That's what the healthcare system needs, and that's why some of these digital tools and maybe AI.
00:16:56.000 I mean, I'm going to host.
00:16:58.000 I knew this would happen.
00:17:00.000 Okay, this is the worst time in history that Americans have ever revolted against the British.
00:17:06.000 There's no precedent for this, and there was only rudimentary taxation against representation.
00:17:13.000 Okay, Dr. Oz, tell us in the age of AI, how can the CMS use AI to bring about benign outcomes rather than succumbing to its Nebuchadnezzar like?
00:17:24.000 Dark powers.
00:17:25.000 Tell me, doctor, tell me.
00:17:28.000 So, thank you for asking that question.
00:17:32.000 So, the big opportunity is AI, super intelligence.
00:17:37.000 The big risk is super intelligence.
00:17:40.000 It has real risks, right?
00:17:41.000 Real value.
00:17:42.000 We've got 3 million really significant medical misdiagnoses happening a year.
00:17:48.000 There are coroner reports of people dying from a misdiagnosis in the hundreds of thousands.
00:17:56.000 So we're hurting people by not using tools like superintelligence could offer us.
00:18:01.000 Yes, I know it could destroy humanity, and let's be realistic about this.
00:18:04.000 Part of it is we're conditioned to think this.
00:18:06.000 Russell, when was the last time you saw a movie where AI was the hero?
00:18:11.000 Well, I don't know, unless, of course, you include its ability to create good CGI.
00:18:16.000 Certainly in the narrative department, AI is always depicted as a villain, perhaps because, like government, it is a useful tool, but not a good master, and that AI must be used to facilitate the human outcomes you yourself identified a moment ago.
00:18:30.000 that the raw potentiality, the real material of your great country is its population and its people.
00:18:36.000 And as long as your nation is at the service and behest of corporate and commercial power that transcends governmental power one way or another, whether through lobbying or other forms of institutional influence, how will you ever be able to achieve the outcomes that I know that you sincerely strive for?
00:18:54.000 And the same might be said of AI too.
00:18:56.000 AI in the hands of a centralizing and somewhat demonic power will be terrifying.
00:19:02.000 But if it is used to achieve the kind of outcomes that you're pursuing, and you're the very kind of man, if I may be sincere for a second, that I would entrust with that level of power, then of course it could be excellent for diagnosis, distribution, recognition, and identification of the type of problems that I know you're about to identify in your next monologue, you handsome devil.
00:19:24.000 And here you are, Dan, tell them what they want.
00:19:28.000 Walk them through what we think clinical AI can do.
00:19:31.000 This is the best panel I've ever been on, by the way.
00:19:34.000 And I've been on a lot of panels.
00:19:36.000 Speaking of AI, are we in an AI bubble?
00:19:40.000 When will that bubble burst?
00:19:42.000 Here's what they think over at Polymarket 20% think it'll burst by the end of June next year, but a few of you think it could burst as early as the end of December, just in time for New Year.
00:19:52.000 Bet on this and other real world events at Polymarket.
00:19:56.000 So there's four big things, and we think about it in frameworks.
00:20:01.000 And the first is building public trust.
00:20:02.000 I think that's one of the most important things.
00:20:04.000 We just talked about the good.
00:20:05.000 We know there's a lot of good, but people don't trust it.
00:20:08.000 42% of people that use. AI for their health, love it.
00:20:13.000 But they also love data centers and they're okay with that and things being pervasive and moving across the country.
00:20:18.000 The 58% that don't use it hate it.
00:20:20.000 They hate data centers, right?
00:20:22.000 So they don't use AI.
00:20:22.000 We need more people using AI to better their health, whether it's diagnosis and daily routine.
00:20:28.000 A lot of people on Medicaid are starting to use it.
00:20:30.000 So building public trust, education, and healthcare are the best, perfect examples where you can have great use cases and stories around AI.
00:20:38.000 The second is catalyzing the tech enablers.
00:20:41.000 If those, Amy Gleason's right up here, raise your hand.
00:20:43.000 So Amy Gleason has done all the amazing work for CMS.
00:20:47.000 Yes!
00:20:47.000 A round of applause for Amy, who I was told her gentle veneer masks great power.
00:20:54.000 That's what I was told about her.
00:20:55.000 What I said specifically was that kind demeanor doesn't reveal the deep wolf-like instincts underneath, and she'll step over Russell's dead body so her stilettos don't get bloody.
00:21:04.000 That was the actual line, but we digress.
00:21:06.000 I solved it because I'm a pro.
00:21:08.000 So Amy has built this entire health tech ecosystem.
00:21:12.000 We need secure data to move for AI to work really well.
00:21:16.000 I have 60 companies now.
00:21:18.000 She told me just backstage, I thought it was 800.
00:21:20.000 It's 900 companies that have signed up as part of this health tech ecosystem, the aligned networks.
00:21:24.000 If you're out there and you haven't signed up, please go tackle her, but maybe get in line and order.
00:21:29.000 There's a lot of companies in line to do that.
00:21:32.000 The third one is market durability.
00:21:33.000 What we can't have is all of a sudden states build their own laws and all of a sudden things are just gone.
00:21:38.000 We can't use it at all and that's going to be really hard.
00:21:40.000 We need to create frameworks for that.
00:21:41.000 FDA is important with that.
00:21:43.000 And they have a call it the Tempo Pilot for those people that know that.
00:21:46.000 And then we and CMS have the access model, which is the first.
00:21:50.000 Tech model that kind of leads us forward to pay for outcomes.
00:21:54.000 It doesn't matter how many touches you had, and that's going to be digital.
00:21:57.000 So you can touch people all the time and engage them through diabetes prevention, as an example, and pay for the reduction in A1C.
00:22:04.000 That's very powerful to do that with a digital first thought around that.
00:22:08.000 The last one, which is the most important, is what do we pay for?
00:22:11.000 Every morning, typically once a week, I'll just say, I get an email that says, Can I pay for this agent to do this thing?
00:22:17.000 And I say, Well, are you going to pay for the human too?
00:22:19.000 And they're like, Of course.
00:22:20.000 And I go, Oh my God, we're going to be a $2 trillion Medicaid organization in a day.
00:22:24.000 Because our costs are just going to skyrocket if we introduce agents all of a sudden, but we don't take the human layer and the payment around that.
00:22:31.000 And we have to create great payment models that actually work, that focus on actual outcomes related to that.
00:22:35.000 We'd love to get to a primary AI-first model, but we have to actually practice with that throughout all of our states, and especially on the Medicare side, where that's already starting in the access side.
00:22:45.000 Russell, can I just, at a high level, explain why this is so critical and why just across the street at America.gov, history is being made as it is here?
00:22:55.000 The fundamental problem is that we don't talk to the American people when we're in government in a way that's understandable and helpful, and the American people can't talk to us.
00:23:05.000 You have to begin to actually hear what people are trying to tell you to fix the potholes in our lives.
00:23:11.000 And remember, potholes are a hassle because you hit them all the time at the same time, at the same place, and you realize after a while that people around you aren't making your life any better.
00:23:20.000 So if we do this correctly, we're going to make it easier for people to do the right thing, which fundamentally, to me, is what the Maha movement is about.
00:23:28.000 And if Bobby, the Secretary of the United States, is the avatar for it because he's courageous, he's curious, he's compassionate, you put those together, you learn things that are inconvenient, you act on them.
00:23:38.000 But all of that, when you try to operationalize it, comes down to how do we make it so that you want to do it, and it's so simple to do, you sort of by default do it.
00:23:47.000 You back your way into the right answer.
00:23:49.000 So, as an example, Amy, which was mentioned earlier, today on Medicare.gov, today launched a national provider directory.
00:23:58.000 Now, what does that mean?
00:23:59.000 For the first time in our nation's history, we know.
00:24:03.000 All the doctors, what their phone numbers are, where they work, what their specialties are, all the things you'd need to do something really important.
00:24:10.000 Make an appointment.
00:24:11.000 So instead of you having, how many here have held their phone to their ear for a long time waiting for a doctor's appointment?
00:24:17.000 Everybody?
00:24:17.000 Yeah, I thought so.
00:24:18.000 There's riots in the street back there.
00:24:20.000 It reminds me of London.
00:24:22.000 Now, come on.
00:24:23.000 Especially off the back of direct communication with the audience, which I would say is hosting territory.
00:24:29.000 All right.
00:24:31.000 So today, you can go on Medicare.gov, find a doctor that takes your Medicare insurance.
00:24:37.000 identify where they are, and actually make an appointment.
00:24:40.000 This is not sci-fi.
00:24:42.000 It's actually happening because an investment was made to bring technology into the forefront, to actually help us do what you should do.
00:24:49.000 And this is going to sound crazy, and we didn't plan this.
00:24:52.000 But you know what we're doing?
00:24:53.000 And I said this because the president was speaking across the hall.
00:24:56.000 He and this administration are trying to host the government.
00:25:00.000 What does hosting mean?
00:25:01.000 Unlike what we're doing now, normally a host welcomes you into the home, tells you what to expect, delivers on that, makes sure that what he said is sort of directionally related to what actually happens.
00:25:12.000 That's what a good host does.
00:25:13.000 We have not been hosting the American people as a government for a long, long time.
00:25:18.000 And people get upset when they don't think you're listening and they can connect.
00:25:21.000 If we can have a repartee where you can ask a question and actually do the thing you're asking me to do without having to torture you and drag you through the mud to get data out of you, that's real service.
00:25:31.000 That's the promise that Dan has brought up.
00:25:34.000 That was actually very brilliant, I think.
00:25:41.000 There are two questions for both of you that occur.
00:25:45.000 One is that since 2016, and perhaps even earlier, your country has been fraught with division.
00:25:52.000 Let's face it, I suppose it's a country that has once before torn itself apart in literal civil war.
00:26:00.000 One sense is that the Maha movement has the great and unique ability to provide healing agency beyond even the great endeavor of providing anatomical, biological healing.
00:26:12.000 What you just explained, the idea of hosting and connection and communication seems significant.
00:26:18.000 How are you in practice going to overcome in, for example, rural communities a sense of alienation, atomization, distance, and despair to pick a word, when there is this sense of fissure across your country yet?
00:26:33.000 And also, if I may ask, Doctor, when providing this amount of open discourse and accessibility, what will you be doing to ensure that appropriate.
00:26:44.000 protections against fraud are also preserved.
00:26:49.000 I've read the notes.
00:26:50.000 Let me take the first part.
00:26:51.000 Dan built a very big business, which he sold and came into government to serve.
00:26:56.000 Thank you for making that decision.
00:26:58.000 But he is an expert on the second question, which is security.
00:27:01.000 First part, what is the life expectancy difference between people living in rural America and urban America?
00:27:08.000 It's about 2.6 years.
00:27:12.000 The difference between the top quintile and the bottom quintile in longevity once you get to age 50 is a dozen years.
00:27:19.000 So, if you're in rural parts of the country, you don't have resources, you're not going to do well.
00:27:22.000 Your zip code is your destiny.
00:27:23.000 So, Congress last year put $50 billion into rural health care.
00:27:29.000 To put that in perspective, it's the largest investment ever.
00:27:33.000 Thank you.
00:27:34.000 And, you know, people complain about Congress, but Congress passed this, the President signed it, and we got it out the door at the end of last year, and it's going all into the different programs now.
00:27:43.000 But this is a 50% step up of what we have ever spent on rural care.
00:27:46.000 It's designed to allow us to meet people in rural America.
00:27:50.000 So, they can get care where they are, because otherwise they just don't get care.
00:27:54.000 So, that's more doctors and nurses in the communities, better telemedicine.
00:27:57.000 For example, with they don't, you know, the mortality rate for moms having babies in America ranks 66th in the world.
00:28:03.000 That's behind Russia.
00:28:05.000 That's no good.
00:28:06.000 What is this?
00:28:07.000 A new Cold War in mortality?
00:28:09.000 People questioning whether or not you guys went to space.
00:28:11.000 You better step it right up and get in front of those guys, let me tell you.
00:28:15.000 Now, Dr. Oz indicated, Dan, that you would handle the fraud part of my question and ensuring security.
00:28:20.000 Will you take that on, Dan Brillman?
00:28:22.000 I note your name and your haircut match beautifully.
00:28:25.000 That's a hell of a pie in.
00:28:27.000 I hope that the audience are at least enjoying.
00:28:29.000 The wonderful array of male haircuts that are on display in this trifecta.
00:28:34.000 So, Dan Brillman, what will your department be doing to ensure that this remains secure?
00:28:39.000 Yeah, so, I mean, we've talked for the most part around how we're moving everyone towards focusing on fewer things that matter and health outcomes and folk prevention, chronic disease upstream.
00:28:50.000 How do we actually take care of people and pay for it in that way?
00:28:52.000 The other side of the coin that we've been focused on, unfortunately, is rooting out the fraud, waste, and abuse across the country, and especially in our two programs.
00:28:59.000 Medicaid and Medicare.
00:29:01.000 And we are honestly diabolical, focused on it every single day.
00:29:05.000 The challenges that we have is I have to work with 50 states and territories on that.
00:29:09.000 And when I got into the role, I wasn't a fraud expert.
00:29:12.000 I was helping people in communities and working with thousands of hospitals.
00:29:15.000 And now I'm an expert.
00:29:17.000 And so the reason I had to get there is because we had to pull out all of our authorities, the power of using all of government approach, which is led by JD Vance, our vice president, as well on the task force, using an all government approach to tackle fraud, waste, and abuse across our program.
00:29:32.000 For the Medicare side, it's about stopping money from leaving the door.
00:29:35.000 And you've seen moratoriums on dermal medical equipment.
00:29:38.000 Dr. Oz has amazing statistics around it.
00:29:40.000 And Kim Brandt, who runs and is our COO, runs that around that.
00:29:44.000 And on the Medicaid side, I had to go hard at states and work with them.
00:29:48.000 A lot of them were my customers, so I had to be honest with them that you have to move from reactive, I'm telling you there's fraud, to proactive.
00:29:55.000 A lot of them told me when I started the job, oh, well, I don't have fraud in my community or legislator.
00:29:59.000 I don't have fraud in my county.
00:30:01.000 And I said, bull.
00:30:02.000 There's fraud here.
00:30:03.000 Like I see it in the analytics.
00:30:05.000 And so what we've done is level up everyone.
00:30:08.000 All 50 states.
00:30:09.000 We made all 50 states revalidate all these different providers in their communities much faster.
00:30:15.000 Make sure that the right providers are providing the right care, especially people with disabilities that are taking care of people in their homes, which is super important, and make sure we do that.
00:30:23.000 Second is analytics.
00:30:24.000 We provided dashboards to every state so that they can see their own problems better than they can.
00:30:30.000 And they can also look at, oh, I have this problem and apply behavioral analysis, ABA, which is for autistic children.
00:30:36.000 That spending was out of control.
00:30:37.000 People that weren't even had autism were getting diagnosed with that, and they can take care of it legislatively so that people that need it get it so it's not being crowded out.
00:30:46.000 And that ultimately ruins, you know, what happens is from a public trust perspective, you don't trust us that we're not taking care of your federal dollars.
00:30:55.000 And these programs were built in a high trust society, and that's the biggest problem.
00:30:58.000 We don't have that trust.
00:31:00.000 We're trying to create that trust that we're rooting out this fraud, waste, and abuse so that we can spend more time.
00:31:06.000 We only have so many hours a day and so many dollars.
00:31:08.000 To focus on chronic disease and all the MAHA things that we want to focus on.
00:31:11.000 Anything you want to add?
00:31:13.000 If I can just point out, these are not grifters.
00:31:16.000 There are many grifters in there who would rather do home health care than sell drugs.
00:31:20.000 But the real problems are organized criminal syndicates that are multinational in scope.
00:31:25.000 So the Chinese mafia runs social adult daycare in New York.
00:31:29.000 They take a billion dollars a year out of that program and fund human trafficking on the East Coast.
00:31:34.000 In Florida, where you are, just southern Florida, you've got a Cuban nexus where we have, we believe, the involvement of the Cuban government, you have twice as many durable medical equipment.
00:31:43.000 Suppliers as McDonald's.
00:31:45.000 And that's not because Bobby's shutting down McDonald's.
00:31:48.000 It's just a real issue because people are getting away with it.
00:31:50.000 And in the West Coast, we've got Russian mafia running hospice.
00:31:53.000 Now, the nice thing about what Dan said, and just to put a point on it, the way you deal with these problems sometimes, unfortunately, when the village gets so polluted you can't fix things, is you burn it down.
00:32:02.000 So we've had to burn down hospice for haptic centers to shut it down in California.
00:32:08.000 We had a moratorium on durable medical equipment.
00:32:11.000 No more open for six months.
00:32:12.000 We can clean up the mess.
00:32:14.000 And we're going after other bits of fraud of that nature.
00:32:16.000 It is loud.
00:32:17.000 It's hurtful.
00:32:18.000 People are upset about it.
00:32:19.000 But the average American says, I need the trust.
00:32:23.000 That tax dollars are used correctly, or else it compromises all these programs.
00:32:27.000 But to put a finer point on something that Dan and I think you're Russell just about to say this fraud doesn't just steal your money, it steals your health, it steals your life, and it steals our trust.
00:32:39.000 Well done.
00:32:40.000 Thank you, Dr. Oz.
00:32:41.000 That was a beautiful conclusion.
00:32:44.000 Dan, you handing over directly to Dr. Oz there does constitute hosting, and I must check you for that.
00:32:53.000 These ideas that we are locating around trust and communication seems significant.
00:33:00.000 I'm noting that you're in particular looking at organized fraud rather than individuals, and I see that that's important when there's such an evident requirement for compassion for the, well, we've already addressed the fact that so many Americans are suffering from chronic disease, an unacceptable number, that the nature of this disease means that likely there need to be significant changes in the American diet.
00:33:24.000 72% of your categories, I understand, come from processed food, 55% from ultra-processed food.
00:33:29.000 Far too high a figure for children.
00:33:31.000 I think 62% is the last figure that I locate.
00:33:34.000 So there's a requirement, isn't there, for a massive cultural change.
00:33:37.000 And while you have to continue to respect individual freedom, it's plain from what you said a moment ago, Dan Brillman, that there needs to be some cohesion between the states when it comes to dealing with the problem of fraud.
00:33:48.000 So is it then one of the objectives of our conversation here to ensure that there is some good faith invested in the Maha movement and its significant leaders, Dr. Oz here, Secretary Kennedy, of course, at a time where Political divisiveness elsewhere is a point scoring idea.
00:34:06.000 I suppose this is an appeal to America to look to the Maha movement in a unique way.
00:34:13.000 We're not talking about the Pentagon, we're not talking about foreign wars, we're not talking about the complexity of the financial industry.
00:34:19.000 We're talking about an opportunity to create new health mandates for many Americans that sounds like it's going to require, to some degree, shutting down of fraudulent operations, some cohesion between the states, but a willingness.
00:34:34.000 Of American individual citizens, but also giant corporations that are benefiting from big food and high salt, high sugar addictive foods, poisonous, toxic foods, and of course, big pharma has a role to play in this.
00:34:47.000 Am I addressing this as best as I can, lassoing with language this vast endeavor that you find yourself facing?
00:34:54.000 Absolutely.
00:34:54.000 And I think in America, in healthcare, we all agree on the same thing.
00:34:57.000 We want to be healthy.
00:34:57.000 We want everyone, our neighbors, to be healthy.
00:34:59.000 We agree on 95% of the same things, but we talk around the edges.
00:35:04.000 And Secretary Kennedy and Dr. Oz, They're moving down the movement on the right thing around Maha.
00:35:10.000 We can all agree on those things.
00:35:11.000 It's how do we get there?
00:35:12.000 And we need absolute dialogue.
00:35:14.000 We need to disagree with each other out loud.
00:35:15.000 And I think those are actual practical things that Americans should do.
00:35:20.000 When we run to our own sides and we don't solve problems together, and this is the administration with their leadership and the secretary and the president to have real conversations to help make real change.
00:35:28.000 And the Maha movement is something that we can all get around.
00:35:31.000 So since we are almost out of time, I'm going to take over as host.
00:35:35.000 I'm going to finally formally violate the host.
00:35:38.000 I need the photographer out here.
00:35:40.000 Russell is insisting on getting a picture with the audience.
00:35:42.000 You guys want a picture with Russell?
00:35:43.000 Good.
00:35:44.000 All right.
00:35:44.000 So I need the house lights up, a photographer back here.
00:35:47.000 We're going to come down here.
00:35:48.000 Russell, come.
00:35:48.000 Hey, you know I do a podcast with my wife.
00:35:52.000 Here's a clip from it.
00:35:53.000 It's called Sunday Service.
00:36:03.000 Now, the thing is, Laura, my darling, we don't need to look very far to encounter the problem of verification when it comes to Christ because the Gospels themselves, the disciples with whom I strongly identify, on Monday, he's feeding the 5,000.
00:36:22.000 On Tuesday, he's walking on water.
00:36:24.000 On Wednesday, he's healing the blind.
00:36:26.000 On Friday, they're legging it because the police have turned up.
00:36:30.000 We human beings cannot, we can only find God in the moment, we can only find him in intimate connection.
00:36:37.000 And some verifying, what do I want to call it, bric brac?
00:36:41.000 Like, you know, it don't.
00:36:41.000 Material.
00:36:42.000 It doesn't work for me.
00:36:43.000 I like it.
00:36:44.000 I like fetishes.
00:36:45.000 Like, oh, this is a saint's.
00:36:46.000 But you also do like things like memorabilia from films.
00:36:50.000 What did we say was going to.
00:36:52.000 We watched something recently.
00:36:53.000 You were like, oh, that would be amazing.
00:36:56.000 I'd like Tony Soprano's tablets.
00:36:58.000 That would be good.
00:36:59.000 No, this was a very distinctive thing that we saw.
00:37:02.000 I can't remember.
00:37:03.000 And I feel like I tried to look up afterwards.
00:37:06.000 I mean, I like that memorabilia, but that's.
00:37:07.000 Yeah.
00:37:08.000 Indeed, that's part of my point about DC, to get tangential.
00:37:11.000 Yeah.
00:37:11.000 Is they say politics is show business for ugly people.
00:37:14.000 And like when you're in the Hollywood or the entertainment industry and everyone's schmoozing at a do, you know it don't really matter because entertainment is other than possibly the soft propaganda wing for the empire to bring about sort of notions of individualism and casual erotica.
00:37:29.000 Aside from that, it's meaningless anyway.
00:37:32.000 It's superfluous anyway.
00:37:33.000 It is.
00:37:33.000 If you're at an event that's meant to be about changing the world and saving the world and everyone's just hanging out at the back drinking, you're saying, Are you serious about this?
00:37:39.000 Do you mean it or not?
00:37:40.000 Do you mean it or not?
00:37:41.000 Do you want to change the world or not?
00:37:42.000 So, It's disheartening when you discover, well, not disheartening, just interest, new data.
00:37:48.000 People actually don't care.
00:37:51.000 Most of us are sort of suspended in a state of compliant delusion.
00:37:58.000 Yeah.
00:37:59.000 I get that.
00:38:00.000 I mean, to be honest with you, we probably all, actually, you don't.
00:38:03.000 You don't really.
00:38:04.000 You're very.
00:38:06.000 What do you mean?
00:38:06.000 Like, I would rarely, you're very rarely compliant, like in terms of the fact that.
00:38:13.000 Yeah, like even, you'll always look at, even in the.
00:38:17.000 Whether it's the hospital or whether it's anywhere, you'll think, but why are they asking that?
00:38:20.000 You know, what is the real thing?
00:38:23.000 And when you say something about, yeah, I mean, to some degree, we both prepared for that with childbirth and the questions you're meant to ask to stay in the present.
00:38:31.000 Yeah.
00:38:31.000 It's about staying in the present.
00:38:32.000 I remember you got us in that.
00:38:34.000 I did, yeah.
00:38:34.000 By preparing for the birth of our first child.
00:38:36.000 Yes, and then knowing how to ask the right questions that basically keep you completely present and that you don't just get carried on the winds of the.
00:38:50.000 Whoever the professional is that's there.
00:38:52.000 But in that event, I suppose the one thing you could say is that, well, people will be in that event socializing, meeting people they wouldn't otherwise have met, then it spreads the word.
00:39:03.000 And some people, I'm just trying to think about, because I agree with you at things like probably a bar.
00:39:10.000 It's always a challenging thing, isn't it?
00:39:12.000 That the idea that you're there, it lightens the mood, is what it does, doesn't it?
00:39:17.000 Having a bar at an event or it brings people able to get a drink in.
00:39:21.000 A bit more confident meeting someone talking about something they're passionate about.
00:39:25.000 You're obviously in recovery, so it's different.
00:39:27.000 Throughout the Old Testament, there is language around you have forgotten your first love.
00:39:31.000 I made you, I made you to love me, but you went off.
00:39:33.000 And it, like in books like Ezekiel and Isaiah, and I think it points in Jeremiah, it uses a language and Hosea, it uses a language of you and the Psalms.
00:39:41.000 You went off with a prostitute, you went and hoard yourself.
00:39:44.000 I made you to love me, and you went off and hoard yourself.
00:39:47.000 Now, at any moment, I think you should be, this doesn't mean that you become joyless, by the way.
00:39:50.000 I love play, I love silliness.
00:39:53.000 I even love profanity.
00:39:54.000 I'm pretty far from perfect.
00:39:56.000 I still think that we should be practicing.
00:39:57.000 When people say have a personal relationship with Jesus, have a personal relationship with Jesus, I mean it, man.
00:40:04.000 I mean that what that means to me is that your relationship with Jesus will come to you in the same way that you could go through excavating layers of language.
00:40:13.000 You can do the same with images because I see him talking to me because I met him through my dog.
00:40:18.000 I met him through Bear.
00:40:19.000 And some might see that as somewhat sacrilegious.
00:40:23.000 I can't appreciate the love of Christ dying on the cross 2,025 years ago or whatever it would be, plus 33, et cetera.
00:40:31.000 But I mean to say, I know Bear would die for me.
00:40:34.000 And like I continue to recognize Christ through Bear because Bear is a non human.
00:40:40.000 I know Christ is fully human, fully God, but that, you know, compounded that amounts to not human.
00:40:44.000 Like that in the wordless, silent intimacy that I have with Bear, I see in the same way that the word dog is not a dog or the word apple is not an apple.
00:40:56.000 I see and feel, oh my word, that's what you mean.
00:41:01.000 You love me right now.
00:41:02.000 You love me like that dog loved me.
00:41:04.000 It's here, it's present.
00:41:06.000 You would just die for me, that you would be with me, that there's no question about it.
00:41:11.000 And like whatever you feel in nature or whatever you feel when you look at your children, that is all Him.
00:41:17.000 That's Him coming through you.
00:41:18.000 And when you bar your heart, harden your heart against that, or when you engage in anything else, when you sort of say, No, I like, you know, whether it's your love of West Ham United or a pair of new booties, it should be that you are loving God, you are revering God, or when you are making love, or when you are eating a meal, or when you're making a podcast.
00:41:37.000 Cast with your wife.
00:41:38.000 It's always, always about him.
00:41:40.000 The problem I've always had is it's always, always been about me, which is 100% the wrong direction.
00:41:45.000 But once you flip the charge, everything is different.
00:41:49.000 So the reason I'm saying that about what I'm saying is, I don't care.
00:41:54.000 I believe in the thing that matters that Jesus Christ died for me and he rose again.
00:41:59.000 And if you don't know that, then you're going to live in this world trying to make it work for you and it won't work because, and the other key thing, Is it's controlled by evil.
00:42:10.000 And not like, you know, there's the odd evil person, watch out, someone might move into your neighborhood.
00:42:14.000 The systems themselves are fundamentally evil.
00:42:17.000 That's not to say everyone that works in media is evil.
00:42:20.000 Of course not.
00:42:20.000 There are millions of people, not millions, some that I love that work in media, or everyone in government is evil, or everyone in any picket institution is evil.
00:42:28.000 No, the enemy is quicker and smarter than that.
00:42:31.000 The general propensity of those institutions is to lacquer over the holy creation and ever present God with a simulacrum of the Devil's kingdom, yeah, so that you're you know always getting distracted in the worship of something else.
00:42:47.000 The culture is evil, that doesn't mean I don't love gosh.
00:42:49.000 I was watching what I was watching, there was a product of the culture yesterday.
00:42:52.000 All of the work of Tim Robinson, the brilliant comedian, that guy's beautiful, he's brilliant, and I sort of love him, right?
00:42:59.000 And but like the cut that he's not evil, of course, and nor is nor you know, I'm not saying that like they're all children of God, but I'm saying that the tendency and function of the culture is evil, and you can break that stuff down pretty easily.
00:43:12.000 Take something like a media.
00:43:14.000 When you like, you can watch what cogs you would remove from the machine to stop it working.
00:43:19.000 Would it stop working if it was non profitable?
00:43:22.000 Yep.
00:43:22.000 Okay.
00:43:22.000 Well, then it only exists for profit.
00:43:24.000 Would it stop working?
00:43:26.000 You know, like there are so many examples, Laura, that people can't tell the truth about the causal link between vaccine and autism for reasons that amount to profit and initially, but are traceable back to something far darker than that.
00:43:39.000 Sorry that I really ranted then.
00:43:40.000 I wanted to ask.
00:43:41.000 It's okay because I'm actually not feeling good.
00:43:43.000 Partly I'm feeling.
00:43:45.000 My darling, you might need to rest.
00:43:46.000 I know.
00:43:47.000 But you're worried about packing, aren't you?
00:43:48.000 Oh, yeah.
00:43:49.000 How are you feeling about everything?
00:43:52.000 I feel okay.
00:43:52.000 But I actually, what it is, is it's like, I don't quite know why it's come over me here.
00:43:58.000 Maybe it's because I've sat down.
00:44:00.000 But what it is, it feels all like it's sort of, probably I need like.
00:44:05.000 Red light?
00:44:06.000 Something for my throat.
00:44:07.000 Yeah.
00:44:07.000 Methane blue and red light.
00:44:08.000 Or, yeah.
00:44:09.000 How about a cold planche?
00:44:10.000 I know.
00:44:11.000 No thanks.
00:44:12.000 I do them.
00:44:13.000 I know you do.
00:44:13.000 And I don't enjoy them very much.
00:44:17.000 I see Gary Brecker at the event.
00:44:19.000 Oh, yeah.
00:44:20.000 And I was very amused by.
00:44:24.000 Saying Gary Brecker is the Pablo Escobar of wellness.
00:44:28.000 And like now at a Maha event, you see in the ones people always want to coke and everything.
00:44:31.000 Yeah, I was like, Has anyone got any creatine?
00:44:33.000 Has anyone got any methylene blue?
00:44:35.000 Yeah, that's right.
00:44:36.000 That is right.
00:44:36.000 And then I rounded it out with a red light.
00:44:38.000 That's brilliant.
00:44:38.000 I really like that.
00:44:39.000 Red lights used to mean something else as well.
00:44:41.000 Yeah.
00:44:42.000 Prostitution.
00:44:42.000 Oh, yeah, I know that.
00:44:44.000 I got it.
00:44:44.000 That's very good.
00:44:45.000 That's so Russ.
00:44:46.000 It's brilliant.
00:44:47.000 I love it.
00:44:47.000 And it is true.
00:44:48.000 It is true.
00:44:49.000 It's funny that everyone, you know, is talking in that way now.
00:44:52.000 Certainly the people we, that are in our, Sort of radius, but like I sometimes think with the methylene blue, the methylene blue bothers me because it dyes everything.
00:45:06.000 Look, there's things I do that I just think, oh, I don't know.
00:45:10.000 I mean, I know that some people feel really good after they've taken it, and you do it.
00:45:14.000 Obviously, you actually have it, you know, it's in your line of reborn products, but I just don't know about it.
00:45:21.000 The only thing I rely on is him.
00:45:22.000 The only thing you can rely on is him.
00:45:24.000 I do love, I really love the red light therapy, and I must say, like, I. When I was, it sends me to sleep.
00:45:32.000 Like, I mean, if you lie under the red light, you'll go to sleep like within 30 minutes.
00:45:36.000 And when the session's over, you wake up.
00:45:39.000 I mean, that's got to be something, surely.
00:45:41.000 I think we should take, like, I think we should.
00:45:43.000 Is there anything you wanted to read or do before we wrap this up?
00:45:45.000 And then I think you should go and land on the red light.
00:45:47.000 Right.
00:45:47.000 We're traveling to the UK.
00:45:48.000 By now, we'll already be in the UK.
00:45:50.000 We're taping this early to prepare for that.
00:45:53.000 And I want to tell you that I really love you and I really appreciate you suggesting us doing this.
00:45:58.000 It brings me a great deal of joy.
00:46:00.000 Me too.
00:46:01.000 I love it too.
00:46:02.000 I can't believe I suggest it.
00:46:03.000 Did this actually sometimes.
00:46:04.000 I think, especially when it's the weeks where we're trying to really fit it into a busy week, when it's like, oh my gosh, how are we going to find the time?
00:46:11.000 Because I upload it and stuff, and I know that it has to be a window.
00:46:15.000 But I really feel driven to do it because of the feeling of it being time for us.
00:46:22.000 It's contemplation, it offers good correspondence with people in the outside world beyond our brains in this porch.
00:46:33.000 So, yeah, thank you as well for finding the inspiration in me suggesting something and actually making it happen.
00:46:52.000 Well, that's what we've got time for this week.
00:46:54.000 We'll be back next time, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.
00:46:56.000 Until then, if you can, stay free.