00:00:25.000Here's the second part of my trip around DC.
00:00:28.000You know, I spoke to Dr. Oz, I hung out with some of the glitterati of HHS.
00:00:33.000Indeed, they say politics is show business for ugly people.
00:00:37.000And although there were some good looking people there, you get the point that there's a lot of schmoozing that goes on.
00:00:42.000But the Maha movement remains, in a way, focused on very important ideas.
00:00:47.000Medicine should be beneficial, food should be good for you, and politics should be about maximally using the resources available in order to ensure that people can be happy.
00:01:28.000So, I know that there's people involved in this that Are themselves in their own way, and I include Dr. Rasim here in that, that are willing to make personal sacrifices.
00:01:40.000Because when you're doing it, you don't think, oh, like when I was talking about COVID and the YouTube channel was blowing up and things were popping off, I sort of knew this is going to create trouble at some point for you.
00:01:53.000And as it's progressed, I've realized something that's really obvious, and lots of people, like Chesterton says of discovering Christ, you're like a man in a yacht.
00:02:04.000Off the coast of Portsmouth, thinking you've discovered England.
00:02:09.000You don't realize this is a populated country of a civilization.
00:02:14.000I've realized that you don't live for yourself.
00:02:17.000You've got, and when one inadvertently returns to the habit of living for yourself, that requires correction.
00:02:25.000So I just have to sort of fall backwards into the arms of God to a level that I didn't think I was capable of, except when I remember.
00:02:34.000That I was pretty keen to give my whole life to drugs, or pretty keen to give my whole life to the pursuit of fame and money and power.
00:02:41.000So now I've got to do that for the most powerful force in all reality, the creator and source of all life and all non life, all matter, all non matter, all dark energy, all mystery, all that is known, all that can never be known.
00:02:57.000I surrender to Him, and as a follower of Christ, I believe that my redemption is in His hands.
00:03:04.000That I turn away from a life that's about, oh, will I be able to get more money or will I be able to have sex or will people think I'm important?
00:03:10.000I turn away from that life and turn towards him and his radiant light and trust that he knows better than I do about what's right.
00:03:18.000In addition to looking at the fact that within Christianity there's institutionalism and there are things that I've got a lot of questions about.
00:03:26.000But I've been, I embrace this idea, Ace, I tell you that.
00:03:29.000Like they're taking me and they're moving me, I feel like, into the heart of power.
00:03:45.000I like seeing the sort of etymology, like, oh, etymology is not quite the right word, it's something like archaeology.
00:03:52.000I like that you can go, whoa, like they've got all these artifacts, and I like trying to sort of spot where, oh, that inflection has come from this group trying to use it for power, that problem's come from this group trying to use it for power.
00:04:07.000All of us are trying to use what God has given us for power.
00:04:10.000Like if you're gifted with intelligence and brilliance or devotion and dedication.
00:04:15.000You know, all these things are gifts from God and we sort of think, oh, can I have it?
00:04:52.000Pretty committed Christians that are aware of the relationship between state and government power and the real power of God.
00:04:59.000And that's what I think, you know, in a way, I've seen that's what I'm interested in now because you're in that.
00:05:04.000You're in the world of how does this, you know, how does it become that medical power becomes about anything other than we've got to make people better using this technology, this pharmacology.
00:05:27.000You know, Bobby said yesterday, which I loved, and I hadn't really fully appreciated the actual true definition of wisdom is God's knowledge between right and wrong.
00:05:36.000But what you're going through, Russell, what you've described to me, having had my own spiritual journey, being persecuted by the General Medical Council, still under investigation for trying to speak the truth, is that you've reached a place where nothing can phase you potentially because that is what enlightenment is.
00:05:51.000But this is, you know, we are kind of in this back.
00:05:56.000If you like, against what I've described as corporate tyranny on one side, linked to mechanistic ideology.
00:06:04.000So, within the medical profession, there is this, it's become almost a cult where there is a mechanistic ideology, which is best described as a naive belief in the measurability of reality and the misuse and excessive use of data and statistics.
00:06:20.000So, we've got this ideological shift away, you know, a dogma.
00:06:26.000Of science and medicine, which actually good science always comes with uncertainty, but that's been replaced and has also taken us away from the more complete version of humanity, which is a spiritual aspect.
00:06:39.000But the religious communities have done the very same thing, that they try to collapse it into certainty as well.
00:06:46.000That's what, you know, when you hear religious dogma, it's like, no, we know, and in order to get it, you have to follow us and do what we tell you.
00:06:51.000Whenever it becomes follow us and do what we tell you, that's not how he operates.
00:06:56.000He operates with you directly, directly through volition.
00:07:02.000But I think all of this again comes back to what the solution is understanding what gives us most meaning in life, which also makes us human.
00:07:10.000And what gives us most meaning is giving to the other.
00:07:14.000And when you don't give to the other and you live in an individualistic way, that means social isolation.
00:07:21.000Social isolation leads to meaninglessness, meaninglessness leads to free floating anxiety.
00:07:27.000Free floating anxiety causes free floating aggression, which then creates a false enemy.
00:07:31.000And you have this, you can get solidarity.
00:07:34.000For a false enemy and tribalism, which is actually what we're trying to now unravel.
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00:09:59.000Should I be the host of this, Doctor, even though your experience and expertise goes way beyond medicine and even beyond government and into hosting?
00:10:07.000Do I have your permission to host this conversation?
00:10:09.000So, as you know well, the stage left person is the host.
00:10:13.000That was from Oprah days because Oprah didn't want to walk across the whole stage without her shoes on, so she would sit there closest to the exit.
00:10:19.000So, yes, you are the host by de facto.
00:10:31.000Dr. Oz, Dan Brillman, thank you very much for joining us today at this important Maha Summit.
00:10:35.000We have a great opportunity here to discuss some of the complexity of contemporary American health.
00:10:41.000One of the things that's always struck me about you in particular, Doctor, aside from the hair, the evident beauty, the incredible family, the ability to surf across time as if they were literal waves, is that you have managed to ensure that care in the spiritual dimension has continued to be relevant while in a position of government.
00:11:03.000What is the biggest crisis that is facing American health right now?
00:11:07.000And what do you see as your foremost obligation when it comes to dealing with a culture that has seemed to, for a long time, engender sickness?
00:11:16.000Without question, the reason you're here is the reason we're in trouble in health care in America.
00:11:22.000There is no way to make health care costs affordable if what's driving at least 75% of it is chronic illness.
00:11:30.000And so if you look at other countries and what they pay per person on health care, we're at least twice as expensive because we're twice as fat.
00:11:42.000That drop is partly from the GLP 1 medications, but partly because of what's being talked about here.
00:11:48.000The lifestyle changes that we know translate to reduction in obesity.
00:11:52.000Obesity, of course, drives hypertension, drives diabetes, and downstream complications, strokes, heart attacks, kidney failure, all the stuff that comes from that.
00:11:59.000So we're in the right room if you want to deal with the real drivers of costs.
00:12:02.000But it's not just about making a healthy lifestyle de facto.
00:12:07.000There are some fundamental problems we have.
00:12:10.000In this country, with our most vulnerable.
00:12:12.000And those vulnerable populations are coming two kinds.
00:12:14.000The first is providers, doctors, nurses, et cetera.
00:12:18.000You may not believe this, but every doctor deep in their heart knows for sure they finished top half of the class.
00:12:33.000Second big issue is a good part of this country doesn't really prioritize their health.
00:12:37.000We see it in many places, but the most obvious is in the Medicaid population, where Dan Brillman, who runs this group with spectacular finesse and an appropriate appreciation of its importance, I think you can enlighten folks in some of the things you're trying to do.
00:12:52.000Again, this is a population where if you don't meet them where they are, you're not going to get them on board.
00:12:58.000That was beautifully articulated, Doctor, and I saw you resist the temptation to host.
00:13:02.000You nearly threw directly to Dan, which would have been a real live castrating of me, which I'm happy that you had the discipline.
00:13:10.000I consider that part of your Hippocratic oath to do no harm to me while I'm on the stage.
00:13:15.000Now, Dan, we've just met for the first time, and you are a nexus of great significance.
00:13:20.000As an Englishman, I don't understand, well, actually much, but I certainly don't understand Medicaid and Medicare and the complex obligations that must come with attempting to manage a relationship between the state and private insurance.
00:13:35.000Now, what do you consider to be a priority to ensure that with the limitations you have, even though I know that you are blessed with extraordinary budgets, the HHS has a larger budget than my entire nation, and yet we have healthier people and we live on fish and chips, nostalgia and guilt.
00:13:55.000So, Dan, what precisely is it that we must, or that you in your role as head of Medicaid, must focus on to ensure that the health outcomes that I know that you and Dr. Oz are committed to are achieved?
00:14:07.000Yeah, one of our biggest opportunities, and thankful to Dr. Oz and his leadership, is our ability to convene and using our power to convene.
00:14:16.000And in my job, I run a trillion-dollar organization now with states, and 75% of our population has one chronic disease, 33% have three or more.
00:14:25.000And most of them are at or really close to the poverty level.
00:14:29.000And so that's really hard to live your fullest life when you're always sick.
00:14:33.000And for us, there's kind of big transformations happening on the Medicaid side.
00:14:37.000One that Congress supported as well in supporting people in their path to prosperity.
00:14:41.000If we can help people improve their economic mobility, support them in the community, close barriers in the community, wrap around them, then we can actually help them be better and live healthier lives.
00:14:54.000The second one that we focus on is aligning spending and value.
00:14:56.000Dr. Eisenhower is super focused on helping.
00:14:59.000Move people into accountable relationships where someone is accountable for your care versus they're just billing you show up, you're already sick, it's too late.
00:15:06.000And how do we actually move those organizations, which are insurance companies, to focus on true prevention and actually get paid for prevention and the actual outcomes that we're all looking for?
00:15:16.000The second one that we just announced on Friday, which I think is the most important way that we use our power to convene, is we just announced that 37 states have signed up with us to invest in moving towards actual health outcomes.
00:15:29.000And harmonizing all the quality measures.
00:15:32.000I don't want to get into all the quality measures, but we measure way too much.
00:15:35.000Most of it is processed, checking the box on utilization, and very few of those things are actually focused on prevention, actual chronic disease, mental health, maternal health, where we have very bad statistics and maternal mortality, and getting states to move in that direction together with the federal government and states because there's so much variation in my program.
00:16:31.000And so if we don't take care of people, as Hubert Humphrey said, who are in the dawn of life, at the twilight of life, our children or seniors, or, this is a big group that Dan's speaking to, those living in the shadow of life, that's the population we have to get to.
00:16:46.000This gets us into the psychology of change.
00:17:00.000Okay, this is the worst time in history that Americans have ever revolted against the British.
00:17:06.000There's no precedent for this, and there was only rudimentary taxation against representation.
00:17:13.000Okay, Dr. Oz, tell us in the age of AI, how can the CMS use AI to bring about benign outcomes rather than succumbing to its Nebuchadnezzar like?
00:17:42.000We've got 3 million really significant medical misdiagnoses happening a year.
00:17:48.000There are coroner reports of people dying from a misdiagnosis in the hundreds of thousands.
00:17:56.000So we're hurting people by not using tools like superintelligence could offer us.
00:18:01.000Yes, I know it could destroy humanity, and let's be realistic about this.
00:18:04.000Part of it is we're conditioned to think this.
00:18:06.000Russell, when was the last time you saw a movie where AI was the hero?
00:18:11.000Well, I don't know, unless, of course, you include its ability to create good CGI.
00:18:16.000Certainly in the narrative department, AI is always depicted as a villain, perhaps because, like government, it is a useful tool, but not a good master, and that AI must be used to facilitate the human outcomes you yourself identified a moment ago.
00:18:30.000that the raw potentiality, the real material of your great country is its population and its people.
00:18:36.000And as long as your nation is at the service and behest of corporate and commercial power that transcends governmental power one way or another, whether through lobbying or other forms of institutional influence, how will you ever be able to achieve the outcomes that I know that you sincerely strive for?
00:18:56.000AI in the hands of a centralizing and somewhat demonic power will be terrifying.
00:19:02.000But if it is used to achieve the kind of outcomes that you're pursuing, and you're the very kind of man, if I may be sincere for a second, that I would entrust with that level of power, then of course it could be excellent for diagnosis, distribution, recognition, and identification of the type of problems that I know you're about to identify in your next monologue, you handsome devil.
00:19:24.000And here you are, Dan, tell them what they want.
00:19:28.000Walk them through what we think clinical AI can do.
00:19:31.000This is the best panel I've ever been on, by the way.
00:19:42.000Here's what they think over at Polymarket 20% think it'll burst by the end of June next year, but a few of you think it could burst as early as the end of December, just in time for New Year.
00:19:52.000Bet on this and other real world events at Polymarket.
00:19:56.000So there's four big things, and we think about it in frameworks.
00:20:01.000And the first is building public trust.
00:20:02.000I think that's one of the most important things.
00:20:22.000We need more people using AI to better their health, whether it's diagnosis and daily routine.
00:20:28.000A lot of people on Medicaid are starting to use it.
00:20:30.000So building public trust, education, and healthcare are the best, perfect examples where you can have great use cases and stories around AI.
00:20:38.000The second is catalyzing the tech enablers.
00:20:41.000If those, Amy Gleason's right up here, raise your hand.
00:20:43.000So Amy Gleason has done all the amazing work for CMS.
00:20:55.000What I said specifically was that kind demeanor doesn't reveal the deep wolf-like instincts underneath, and she'll step over Russell's dead body so her stilettos don't get bloody.
00:21:04.000That was the actual line, but we digress.
00:22:20.000And I go, Oh my God, we're going to be a $2 trillion Medicaid organization in a day.
00:22:24.000Because our costs are just going to skyrocket if we introduce agents all of a sudden, but we don't take the human layer and the payment around that.
00:22:31.000And we have to create great payment models that actually work, that focus on actual outcomes related to that.
00:22:35.000We'd love to get to a primary AI-first model, but we have to actually practice with that throughout all of our states, and especially on the Medicare side, where that's already starting in the access side.
00:22:45.000Russell, can I just, at a high level, explain why this is so critical and why just across the street at America.gov, history is being made as it is here?
00:22:55.000The fundamental problem is that we don't talk to the American people when we're in government in a way that's understandable and helpful, and the American people can't talk to us.
00:23:05.000You have to begin to actually hear what people are trying to tell you to fix the potholes in our lives.
00:23:11.000And remember, potholes are a hassle because you hit them all the time at the same time, at the same place, and you realize after a while that people around you aren't making your life any better.
00:23:20.000So if we do this correctly, we're going to make it easier for people to do the right thing, which fundamentally, to me, is what the Maha movement is about.
00:23:28.000And if Bobby, the Secretary of the United States, is the avatar for it because he's courageous, he's curious, he's compassionate, you put those together, you learn things that are inconvenient, you act on them.
00:23:38.000But all of that, when you try to operationalize it, comes down to how do we make it so that you want to do it, and it's so simple to do, you sort of by default do it.
00:23:47.000You back your way into the right answer.
00:23:49.000So, as an example, Amy, which was mentioned earlier, today on Medicare.gov, today launched a national provider directory.
00:23:59.000For the first time in our nation's history, we know.
00:24:03.000All the doctors, what their phone numbers are, where they work, what their specialties are, all the things you'd need to do something really important.
00:25:01.000Unlike what we're doing now, normally a host welcomes you into the home, tells you what to expect, delivers on that, makes sure that what he said is sort of directionally related to what actually happens.
00:25:13.000We have not been hosting the American people as a government for a long, long time.
00:25:18.000And people get upset when they don't think you're listening and they can connect.
00:25:21.000If we can have a repartee where you can ask a question and actually do the thing you're asking me to do without having to torture you and drag you through the mud to get data out of you, that's real service.
00:25:31.000That's the promise that Dan has brought up.
00:25:34.000That was actually very brilliant, I think.
00:25:41.000There are two questions for both of you that occur.
00:25:45.000One is that since 2016, and perhaps even earlier, your country has been fraught with division.
00:25:52.000Let's face it, I suppose it's a country that has once before torn itself apart in literal civil war.
00:26:00.000One sense is that the Maha movement has the great and unique ability to provide healing agency beyond even the great endeavor of providing anatomical, biological healing.
00:26:12.000What you just explained, the idea of hosting and connection and communication seems significant.
00:26:18.000How are you in practice going to overcome in, for example, rural communities a sense of alienation, atomization, distance, and despair to pick a word, when there is this sense of fissure across your country yet?
00:26:33.000And also, if I may ask, Doctor, when providing this amount of open discourse and accessibility, what will you be doing to ensure that appropriate.
00:26:44.000protections against fraud are also preserved.
00:27:34.000And, you know, people complain about Congress, but Congress passed this, the President signed it, and we got it out the door at the end of last year, and it's going all into the different programs now.
00:27:43.000But this is a 50% step up of what we have ever spent on rural care.
00:27:46.000It's designed to allow us to meet people in rural America.
00:27:50.000So, they can get care where they are, because otherwise they just don't get care.
00:27:54.000So, that's more doctors and nurses in the communities, better telemedicine.
00:27:57.000For example, with they don't, you know, the mortality rate for moms having babies in America ranks 66th in the world.
00:28:27.000I hope that the audience are at least enjoying.
00:28:29.000The wonderful array of male haircuts that are on display in this trifecta.
00:28:34.000So, Dan Brillman, what will your department be doing to ensure that this remains secure?
00:28:39.000Yeah, so, I mean, we've talked for the most part around how we're moving everyone towards focusing on fewer things that matter and health outcomes and folk prevention, chronic disease upstream.
00:28:50.000How do we actually take care of people and pay for it in that way?
00:28:52.000The other side of the coin that we've been focused on, unfortunately, is rooting out the fraud, waste, and abuse across the country, and especially in our two programs.
00:29:17.000And so the reason I had to get there is because we had to pull out all of our authorities, the power of using all of government approach, which is led by JD Vance, our vice president, as well on the task force, using an all government approach to tackle fraud, waste, and abuse across our program.
00:29:32.000For the Medicare side, it's about stopping money from leaving the door.
00:29:35.000And you've seen moratoriums on dermal medical equipment.
00:29:38.000Dr. Oz has amazing statistics around it.
00:29:40.000And Kim Brandt, who runs and is our COO, runs that around that.
00:29:44.000And on the Medicaid side, I had to go hard at states and work with them.
00:29:48.000A lot of them were my customers, so I had to be honest with them that you have to move from reactive, I'm telling you there's fraud, to proactive.
00:29:55.000A lot of them told me when I started the job, oh, well, I don't have fraud in my community or legislator.
00:30:09.000We made all 50 states revalidate all these different providers in their communities much faster.
00:30:15.000Make sure that the right providers are providing the right care, especially people with disabilities that are taking care of people in their homes, which is super important, and make sure we do that.
00:30:37.000People that weren't even had autism were getting diagnosed with that, and they can take care of it legislatively so that people that need it get it so it's not being crowded out.
00:30:46.000And that ultimately ruins, you know, what happens is from a public trust perspective, you don't trust us that we're not taking care of your federal dollars.
00:30:55.000And these programs were built in a high trust society, and that's the biggest problem.
00:31:13.000If I can just point out, these are not grifters.
00:31:16.000There are many grifters in there who would rather do home health care than sell drugs.
00:31:20.000But the real problems are organized criminal syndicates that are multinational in scope.
00:31:25.000So the Chinese mafia runs social adult daycare in New York.
00:31:29.000They take a billion dollars a year out of that program and fund human trafficking on the East Coast.
00:31:34.000In Florida, where you are, just southern Florida, you've got a Cuban nexus where we have, we believe, the involvement of the Cuban government, you have twice as many durable medical equipment.
00:31:45.000And that's not because Bobby's shutting down McDonald's.
00:31:48.000It's just a real issue because people are getting away with it.
00:31:50.000And in the West Coast, we've got Russian mafia running hospice.
00:31:53.000Now, the nice thing about what Dan said, and just to put a point on it, the way you deal with these problems sometimes, unfortunately, when the village gets so polluted you can't fix things, is you burn it down.
00:32:02.000So we've had to burn down hospice for haptic centers to shut it down in California.
00:32:08.000We had a moratorium on durable medical equipment.
00:32:19.000But the average American says, I need the trust.
00:32:23.000That tax dollars are used correctly, or else it compromises all these programs.
00:32:27.000But to put a finer point on something that Dan and I think you're Russell just about to say this fraud doesn't just steal your money, it steals your health, it steals your life, and it steals our trust.
00:32:44.000Dan, you handing over directly to Dr. Oz there does constitute hosting, and I must check you for that.
00:32:53.000These ideas that we are locating around trust and communication seems significant.
00:33:00.000I'm noting that you're in particular looking at organized fraud rather than individuals, and I see that that's important when there's such an evident requirement for compassion for the, well, we've already addressed the fact that so many Americans are suffering from chronic disease, an unacceptable number, that the nature of this disease means that likely there need to be significant changes in the American diet.
00:33:24.00072% of your categories, I understand, come from processed food, 55% from ultra-processed food.
00:33:31.000I think 62% is the last figure that I locate.
00:33:34.000So there's a requirement, isn't there, for a massive cultural change.
00:33:37.000And while you have to continue to respect individual freedom, it's plain from what you said a moment ago, Dan Brillman, that there needs to be some cohesion between the states when it comes to dealing with the problem of fraud.
00:33:48.000So is it then one of the objectives of our conversation here to ensure that there is some good faith invested in the Maha movement and its significant leaders, Dr. Oz here, Secretary Kennedy, of course, at a time where Political divisiveness elsewhere is a point scoring idea.
00:34:06.000I suppose this is an appeal to America to look to the Maha movement in a unique way.
00:34:13.000We're not talking about the Pentagon, we're not talking about foreign wars, we're not talking about the complexity of the financial industry.
00:34:19.000We're talking about an opportunity to create new health mandates for many Americans that sounds like it's going to require, to some degree, shutting down of fraudulent operations, some cohesion between the states, but a willingness.
00:34:34.000Of American individual citizens, but also giant corporations that are benefiting from big food and high salt, high sugar addictive foods, poisonous, toxic foods, and of course, big pharma has a role to play in this.
00:34:47.000Am I addressing this as best as I can, lassoing with language this vast endeavor that you find yourself facing?
00:35:14.000We need to disagree with each other out loud.
00:35:15.000And I think those are actual practical things that Americans should do.
00:35:20.000When we run to our own sides and we don't solve problems together, and this is the administration with their leadership and the secretary and the president to have real conversations to help make real change.
00:35:28.000And the Maha movement is something that we can all get around.
00:35:31.000So since we are almost out of time, I'm going to take over as host.
00:35:35.000I'm going to finally formally violate the host.
00:36:03.000Now, the thing is, Laura, my darling, we don't need to look very far to encounter the problem of verification when it comes to Christ because the Gospels themselves, the disciples with whom I strongly identify, on Monday, he's feeding the 5,000.
00:37:11.000Is they say politics is show business for ugly people.
00:37:14.000And like when you're in the Hollywood or the entertainment industry and everyone's schmoozing at a do, you know it don't really matter because entertainment is other than possibly the soft propaganda wing for the empire to bring about sort of notions of individualism and casual erotica.
00:37:29.000Aside from that, it's meaningless anyway.
00:37:33.000If you're at an event that's meant to be about changing the world and saving the world and everyone's just hanging out at the back drinking, you're saying, Are you serious about this?
00:38:23.000And when you say something about, yeah, I mean, to some degree, we both prepared for that with childbirth and the questions you're meant to ask to stay in the present.
00:38:34.000By preparing for the birth of our first child.
00:38:36.000Yes, and then knowing how to ask the right questions that basically keep you completely present and that you don't just get carried on the winds of the.
00:38:50.000Whoever the professional is that's there.
00:38:52.000But in that event, I suppose the one thing you could say is that, well, people will be in that event socializing, meeting people they wouldn't otherwise have met, then it spreads the word.
00:39:03.000And some people, I'm just trying to think about, because I agree with you at things like probably a bar.
00:39:10.000It's always a challenging thing, isn't it?
00:39:12.000That the idea that you're there, it lightens the mood, is what it does, doesn't it?
00:39:17.000Having a bar at an event or it brings people able to get a drink in.
00:39:21.000A bit more confident meeting someone talking about something they're passionate about.
00:39:25.000You're obviously in recovery, so it's different.
00:39:27.000Throughout the Old Testament, there is language around you have forgotten your first love.
00:39:31.000I made you, I made you to love me, but you went off.
00:39:33.000And it, like in books like Ezekiel and Isaiah, and I think it points in Jeremiah, it uses a language and Hosea, it uses a language of you and the Psalms.
00:39:41.000You went off with a prostitute, you went and hoard yourself.
00:39:44.000I made you to love me, and you went off and hoard yourself.
00:39:47.000Now, at any moment, I think you should be, this doesn't mean that you become joyless, by the way.
00:39:56.000I still think that we should be practicing.
00:39:57.000When people say have a personal relationship with Jesus, have a personal relationship with Jesus, I mean it, man.
00:40:04.000I mean that what that means to me is that your relationship with Jesus will come to you in the same way that you could go through excavating layers of language.
00:40:13.000You can do the same with images because I see him talking to me because I met him through my dog.
00:40:19.000And some might see that as somewhat sacrilegious.
00:40:23.000I can't appreciate the love of Christ dying on the cross 2,025 years ago or whatever it would be, plus 33, et cetera.
00:40:31.000But I mean to say, I know Bear would die for me.
00:40:34.000And like I continue to recognize Christ through Bear because Bear is a non human.
00:40:40.000I know Christ is fully human, fully God, but that, you know, compounded that amounts to not human.
00:40:44.000Like that in the wordless, silent intimacy that I have with Bear, I see in the same way that the word dog is not a dog or the word apple is not an apple.
00:40:56.000I see and feel, oh my word, that's what you mean.
00:41:18.000And when you bar your heart, harden your heart against that, or when you engage in anything else, when you sort of say, No, I like, you know, whether it's your love of West Ham United or a pair of new booties, it should be that you are loving God, you are revering God, or when you are making love, or when you are eating a meal, or when you're making a podcast.
00:41:40.000The problem I've always had is it's always, always been about me, which is 100% the wrong direction.
00:41:45.000But once you flip the charge, everything is different.
00:41:49.000So the reason I'm saying that about what I'm saying is, I don't care.
00:41:54.000I believe in the thing that matters that Jesus Christ died for me and he rose again.
00:41:59.000And if you don't know that, then you're going to live in this world trying to make it work for you and it won't work because, and the other key thing, Is it's controlled by evil.
00:42:10.000And not like, you know, there's the odd evil person, watch out, someone might move into your neighborhood.
00:42:14.000The systems themselves are fundamentally evil.
00:42:17.000That's not to say everyone that works in media is evil.
00:42:20.000There are millions of people, not millions, some that I love that work in media, or everyone in government is evil, or everyone in any picket institution is evil.
00:42:28.000No, the enemy is quicker and smarter than that.
00:42:31.000The general propensity of those institutions is to lacquer over the holy creation and ever present God with a simulacrum of the Devil's kingdom, yeah, so that you're you know always getting distracted in the worship of something else.
00:42:47.000The culture is evil, that doesn't mean I don't love gosh.
00:42:49.000I was watching what I was watching, there was a product of the culture yesterday.
00:42:52.000All of the work of Tim Robinson, the brilliant comedian, that guy's beautiful, he's brilliant, and I sort of love him, right?
00:42:59.000And but like the cut that he's not evil, of course, and nor is nor you know, I'm not saying that like they're all children of God, but I'm saying that the tendency and function of the culture is evil, and you can break that stuff down pretty easily.
00:43:26.000You know, like there are so many examples, Laura, that people can't tell the truth about the causal link between vaccine and autism for reasons that amount to profit and initially, but are traceable back to something far darker than that.
00:44:49.000It's funny that everyone, you know, is talking in that way now.
00:44:52.000Certainly the people we, that are in our, Sort of radius, but like I sometimes think with the methylene blue, the methylene blue bothers me because it dyes everything.
00:45:06.000Look, there's things I do that I just think, oh, I don't know.
00:45:10.000I mean, I know that some people feel really good after they've taken it, and you do it.
00:45:14.000Obviously, you actually have it, you know, it's in your line of reborn products, but I just don't know about it.
00:46:04.000I think, especially when it's the weeks where we're trying to really fit it into a busy week, when it's like, oh my gosh, how are we going to find the time?
00:46:11.000Because I upload it and stuff, and I know that it has to be a window.
00:46:15.000But I really feel driven to do it because of the feeling of it being time for us.
00:46:22.000It's contemplation, it offers good correspondence with people in the outside world beyond our brains in this porch.
00:46:33.000So, yeah, thank you as well for finding the inspiration in me suggesting something and actually making it happen.
00:46:52.000Well, that's what we've got time for this week.
00:46:54.000We'll be back next time, not with more of the same, but with more of the different.