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00:00:55.000It's an important interview with George Galloway that we are bringing with you.
00:00:59.000If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be available there for the first 15 minutes, but then we will be exclusively available on that sweet stream of freedom that we call Rumble, because this is a critical moment, not only in British politics, but In the fight against the globalist establishment in your country and in our country.
00:01:16.000For the first 15 minutes, we'll be talking to George Galloway here on YouTube about the war, about the Uniparty, about our slide towards techno-feudalism and about what we can do to oppose it.
00:01:28.000Can parliamentary or congressional politics ever become a tool for its own demise and destruction?
00:01:34.000And what kind of radical figures will we have to support?
00:01:38.000What kind of new alliances will we have to make?
00:01:40.000What kind of global position will we have to take on subjects as wide and varied as war and commerce and migration if we are to stop this descent into new techno-tyranny?
00:01:52.000And who better to talk to you about that than our guest today, the great George Galloway, a man who has once again taken Parliament by the scruff of the neck, has bruised little Rishi Sunak and given him a new nickname in the process, the Member of Parliament for Rochdale, George Galloway.
00:02:19.000Now, what people say about you, even within the legacy media, is that you are a street-fighting politician who knows how to win elections.
00:02:28.000There is some division because you have come to prominence, of course, on a powerful mandate against the ongoing Massacre or genocide is perhaps the term you would use to describe the thousands and thousands of deaths that are taking place in Gaza right now to a degree supported by arms provided from the United States of America and certainly not opposed or shut down by either our country or by the United States of America.
00:02:54.000I wonder given that overnight images have been released of drone strikes within Gaza that appear to be striking Civilians, how you feel about that ongoing conflict, what your victory as a member of parliament for Rochdale signifies about domestic populations views regarding this conflict and others in the UK and the United States of America.
00:03:18.000Well, my blood runs alternately boiling hot and chilled cold because I've seen so much now.
00:03:26.000I've never seen so much in my whole life.
00:03:30.000Wholesale slaughter of the innocents for the most part.
00:03:34.00072% of all the dead and mutilated people in Gaza were women or children, mothers and their children very often.
00:03:44.000It is unconscionable that this has been allowed to go on for so long.
00:03:50.000It would not have been allowed to go on for so long were the attack dog in question not been the Permanently attached tack dog of the United States and of Great Britain.
00:05:31.000The four horsemen of the apocalypse are galloping across Gaza.
00:05:37.000War, famine, pestilence, and disease are now everywhere, and of course it will not be contained in this tiny piece of land when disease, famine, and all the attendant Conditions that come with it begin to spread, they'll spread into Israel first and foremost, and given a very large number of Israelis are dual national,
00:06:06.000God knows what diseases are going to be traveling around the world as a direct result of the policy of siege and sanction and slaughter that we've got going on in Gaza.
00:06:19.000But of course, the truth is, and you know this, I didn't actually only fight the election on Gaza.
00:06:27.000I fought it on the Uni Party, the two cheeks of the same backside And all their failures, all their disappointments, all their betrayals of British people as a whole, of all kinds, colours and creeds.
00:06:44.000The Uniparty is, I suppose, the greatest threat that we all face, whether it's in our country here in the UK or in the United States of America.
00:06:51.000And indeed, your success in this election and the astonishing triumph that Bobby Kennedy is demonstrating across polls in America now shows that there has long been an appetite for meaningful candidates.
00:07:05.000Even though, even in offering these two examples of success, we are confronted with the Significance and complication of the issue that we're talking about now.
00:07:15.000Media spaces have been divided by this war.
00:07:19.000We, I know, when we've spoken before George, how you deplore all forms of racism and surely anti-semitism is a form of racism.
00:07:27.000And this issue is continually used to create division.
00:07:30.000It's created division in an emergent peripheral anti-establishment right-wing movement that was growing in America, mostly in the kind of media spaces that you and I are now familiar with.
00:07:40.000Commentators like Stephen Crowder and Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson.
00:07:45.000We've just heard that Candice Owens has left The Daily Wire.
00:07:49.000No doubt because, in part because of the stance she's taken on this particular war, And the perspective that the Daily Wire and its affiliation with the faith of Judaism and the nation of Israel, understandable given the founders, has caused rifts and division in a space that was starting to coalesce around anti-establishmentism.
00:08:09.000Also on the left, George, what I find fascinating Is that many groups and individuals that were unwilling to talk up on the matter of censorship and media control are starting to notice that when it comes to the subject of Palestine, and in particular this conflict, there is a great deal of censorship.
00:08:25.000With many people arguing that part of the reason that the US government wants to bring down TikTok is because it's a place where reporting on Gaza has been accurate and revealing.
00:08:37.000So, this conflict is very, very unique and shows us the nature of the challenge we now face.
00:08:42.000Because if there is to be success against the Uniparty, it seems to me that communities that are directly opposed on important issues are going to have to find common ground if we're going to make a dent in the significant power of that party.
00:08:56.000Do you see alliances as being a possibility, George?
00:09:00.000And are you looking to make those kind of alliances?
00:09:04.000Well, first of all, free speech has to be that common ground.
00:09:08.000I have to be able to speak my truth on Israel-Palestine, and Shapiro has to be able to speak his.
00:09:21.000If we get into the business in the anti-establishment periphery that you talk about of actually turning on each other's right to speak, Then we have no chance whatsoever of dealing the Uni Party, the globalists, the real deep-seated problem that we have, with no chance of turning them over, no chance of replacing them.
00:09:47.000So free speech has to be the common ground.
00:09:50.000I happen to believe that even in the last 48 hours there's reason to believe that some elements of the right of that anti-establishment periphery Are coming around to my point of view on Israel-Palestine.
00:10:06.000Alex Jones, for example, is now to the left of Joe Biden.
00:10:17.000Candace Owens in the last two or three, four weeks.
00:10:23.000These are people that are not of the left.
00:10:26.000But they are people who were a part of our periphery who are now beginning to challenge what was the prevailing orthodoxy on the right on this question.
00:10:40.000Especially people who said, America first.
00:10:43.000You can't say America first if it's actually Israel first.
00:10:47.000Because Israel might do things that are not in America's interests.
00:10:52.000But if you have already given them a blank check, a green light, then they're going to go, and indeed Netanyahu today has said that whatever the Americans say, he's going to invade the tent city of Rafah with his army.
00:11:17.000But yes, alliances, If not electoral alliances, then an alliance that we must defend each other's right to speak freely is, I think, a precondition of progress.
00:11:30.000But we are standing in hundreds of constituencies on May 2nd in the local council elections and then on what seems to be October 17th in the British general election.
00:11:45.000We are prepared To negotiate with others, but it's far better to stand as an organized force than as an isolated independent, because unless you're really well known, I mean Russell Brand independent would be one thing, and we'd be fully behind you.
00:12:08.000There are one or two others, but unless you're already a big established name, Standing as an independent doesn't quite do it because you've got no logo on the ballot paper.
00:12:19.000How do people know which of the many independents on that ballot paper you are?
00:12:25.000Far better to stand as an organized force.
00:12:27.000So more and more people are choosing to stand under the workers' rubric and under our logo, the Roundup.
00:12:55.000We're stuck here on this rain-soaked But beautiful and green island.
00:13:01.000And so who could be more patriotic than we who are here and must remain here, have no alternatives but to remaining here.
00:13:13.000So our red, white and blue roundel and cog is a symbol of what we stand for and where we stand.
00:13:23.000I'm fascinated about the possibility that the Workers' Party could make a significant impact in the forthcoming election in our country.
00:13:31.0002024 is a big election year in our country and in the United States of America and we are seeing the resurgence of revitalised anti-establishment politics both on the left And God knows that to oppose the Uniparty and this evident globalist plan to assert a techno-feudalist style system on us all, we need to find ways of working together.
00:13:55.000I'm sure many of our viewers will know you, George, for your historic affiliation with socialism.
00:14:02.000Many of our viewers will know that you're a working class man from a working class background A blue-collar man who believes in the empowerment of ordinary people, ordinary workers.
00:14:12.000So perhaps it's not fair to say that important issue, though it is, that your victory in Rochdale was entirely based on the strong anti-war sentiment that many people feel.
00:14:23.000And to give Tucker Carlson his due, as a matter of fact, I've always known him to be anti-war across the board.
00:14:30.000A lot of, indeed, American nativists or American first pundits and political figures, while dismissed widely as racist, often seem to me to be nationalist in a somewhat 20th century sense, not the worst kind of National Socialism sense I'm keen to add, but just that they believe in the people of their nation.
00:14:51.000And if nation is something that's real, surely there could be some kind of Bargain pact agreement that were there to be controls on migration, controls on the border, this must surely be accompanied by a strong anti-war commitment, not to intervene and intercede and disrupt those nations from which migrants tend to come.
00:15:14.000And of course, I know that what's important to you, George, is that those nations are losing many of their best and brightest doctors, medics and professionals.
00:15:23.000As well as the many economic migrants, refugees, however that you want to describe them.
00:15:27.000Do you consider it to be interesting, George, the possibility that a non-imperialist, non-interventionist model, i.e.
00:15:36.000an anti-globalist model, might mean don't get involved in wars, don't get involved in exploiting the resources of these countries, and therefore it seems more reasonable and practical to manage borders sensibly?
00:15:47.000Because I know that people might be surprised to hear some of your views on migration.
00:16:20.000And, of course, to do that I have to control the supply of labour, otherwise the price of work will plummet, the pressure on the public services.
00:16:33.000Council housing, National Health Service, places, places in the schools, in the nurseries, and so on, will become broken.
00:16:41.000It will become impossible for the people I represent, who are, of course, of all colors.
00:16:48.000We are a multicolored, multicultural country, so there's nothing racist about it.
00:16:54.000In fact, The free movement of labor that we had before Brexit was white labor from the European Union.
00:17:05.000It had nothing to do with color or race.
00:17:09.000It had to do with the supply of labor.
00:17:13.000And with an endless supply of labor, you have a constantly falling price of labor.
00:17:18.000Obviously, if I'm the trade union official negotiating with the factory owner and he tells me I've got 5,000 Bulgarians outside who are going to do the job cheaper than your members, I'm finished.
00:17:33.000I could use another F word, but won't.
00:17:36.000The reality is that this tendency of liberals And they are liberals actually, small l liberals.
00:17:46.000To apply ists and isms as pejoratives to ordinary people merely standing up for their own interest is one of the reasons why leftism has such a bad name.
00:18:03.000And I'm one of those who no longer wants to hear myself described as a leftist, because left has become synonymous with liberalism, with license, with open borders, with, you know, refugees welcome here, and so on.
00:18:25.000All this is inimical to the interests of the working class of all colors who are already here.
00:18:33.000Now, you are quite right to identify that one of the drivers of mass immigration, of flows of refugees, is the endless making of war on the poor countries of the Global South, whether it's Fool out hot war, or economic war, or overthrowing popular governments, replacing them with dictatorships like in Latin America, for example.
00:19:03.000That's what's causing many of these refugee flows.
00:19:07.000If you stop making war on them, give them a hand up to build their own economies and their own societies, invest a bit in them, The number of people who want to leave their country will be far fewer.
00:19:24.000My grandparents came here as Irish refugees from hunger, from famine.
00:19:34.000If there's no famine, my grandparents, great-grandparents, would never have wanted to leave Ireland.
00:19:41.000Anyone who's been in Ireland, been in Scotland, knows the islands better.
00:19:46.000So if you hadn't been driven out of Ireland, you wouldn't be here in the first place.
00:19:52.000So what I am very interested in is a de facto alliance between the people like Tucker, who are American firstists, Who are nativists, if you like.
00:20:08.000There's no reason for hostility between him and me.
00:20:11.000I have no interest in the domestic politics of the United States of America.
00:20:46.000Absolutely I am, because I think these are exactly the kind of relationships that need to be explored.
00:20:51.000Indeed, in a truly representative system, there would be freedom for a degree of true diversity, culturally and economically, not just within nations, but within regions, if decentralisation were part of the shared goal.
00:21:06.000Full autonomy, maximum autonomy, maximum representation.
00:21:10.000Now, we are going to leave YouTube now precisely because this channel does get subject to a degree of censorship that comes from unelected globalist bodies like the WHO.
00:21:23.000It does prioritize legacy media outlets that will actively attack independent voices and anti-establishment voices Like George Galloway and like my voice.
00:21:34.000Indeed though, there's several subjects I want to cover with you George, not least the subject of faith.
00:21:41.000I'm exploring Christianity myself and I think people of the world who believe in spirituality have perhaps more in common With those of us that are those that are brutally materialist and rational to the point that everything ultimately becomes a matter of economics and power dynamics.
00:21:58.000So we're going to say goodbye to YouTube before we leave.
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00:23:13.000I'm going to be asking George a variety of questions on a variety of extremely important topics.
00:23:19.000One, I want to know about the election that George is going to be fighting.
00:23:23.000How can it be considered democracy when you've got two globalists like Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak, two friends of the WEF, who have more in common with one another than they do with any of us presenting themselves as opponents in an election?
00:23:36.000And isn't it just the same in America?
00:23:43.000George, well it seems to me ludicrous that these two men and these two parties would be presented to the electorate as opposing alternatives.
00:23:51.000Rishi Sunak with his ties to the WF via his wife and Infosys, her father's firm.
00:23:58.000Due to his relationship with Moderna, which he was a hedge fund investor for, prior to Moderna's massive profits in the last few years, and Keir Starmer, who seems to care more for the WF than he does any of the nations within the United Kingdom, seem to me, and even when you've got figures, and this will mean more to British viewers than it will to Americans, figures like Owen Jones, real cheerleaders of the Labour movement, walking away because the Labour Party's principles have collapsed, what, what, What exactly is it that we have to form in this country to oppose them?
00:24:31.000What does it mean when people walk away from the Labour Party like that?
00:24:35.000And I wonder how that maps onto the politics of the United States also.
00:24:41.000Well, you know, people like me, my father, I don't know about you, but I do know your father, we were raised on like mother's milk.
00:24:53.000The idea that labour was the cause of the working people and that the Conservatives were the champions of free market capitalism.
00:25:08.000None of these things, neither of these two things, is any longer true.
00:25:14.000The Labour Party doesn't represent the workers and the Conservative Party It doesn't champion free markets.
00:25:55.000Tony Blair's legacy is that both the Conservatives and Labour are followers of his liberal globalist ideology, and it increasingly shows they are interchangeable.
00:26:11.000You could switch the Labour frontbench over to the Tory frontbench, and vice versa, and I promise you, you would not notice the difference.
00:26:22.000There's a nuance here, there's a fake argument there about the colour of the curtains in the Ministry of Paperclips in Whitehall, on or off the income tax, but it's all synthetic sound and fury.
00:26:41.000And you can see it, now that I'm back in Parliament, see it up close and personal.
00:26:48.000The fury across the dispatch boxes is replaced by back-clapping, mutual congratulations, much laughter as they laugh all the way to their own personal banks.
00:27:04.000But they have bankrupted the idea of Britain, they have bankrupted Brexit of all meaning, We supported Brexit because we wanted Britain to be an independent country, free to make its own fiscal and economic policy, its own laws, control its own borders, free to pick its own friends and not allow other people to pick its enemies.
00:27:29.000That's the Britain that we wanted post-Brexit.
00:27:34.000You've just got to look for a moment to see the Britain we got instead.
00:27:39.000We are locked into whatever the WEF, whatever the globalists have decided we must do, whether we're in the European Union or out of it.
00:27:51.000So we are going to provide an alternative.
00:27:58.000Luckily, in Britain, it doesn't cost much.
00:28:01.000In a general election, Each candidate in each constituency is responsible, in our case, responsible for raising their own election expenses, but the cap is ÂŁ12,000.
00:28:16.000So, in American terms, that's next to nothing.
00:28:20.000For ÂŁ12,000, and most communities can raise ÂŁ12,000 through crowdfunding, through passing the hat round, they can even borrow my hat to do so, Most people can do it, and in each constituency we'll have, for the price of ÂŁ12,000, a fellow who's on a level playing field.
00:28:41.000He's at the starting gate, right beside Labour, right beside the Conservatives.
00:28:47.000And I believe we're going to give them a very good run for their money.
00:28:51.000We will affect the outcome of hundreds of contests.
00:28:56.000And I believe that we'll score some spectacular victories.
00:29:00.000Yes, I think that's a real possibility, George, and a terrifying one for the establishment.
00:29:04.000Your victory in Rochdale, where you scored as many votes as the Conservatives, the Labour Party and the next contender combined, shows that there's a real appetite for independent politics and real opposition to the establishment systems.
00:29:17.000So are you saying that with some significant funding, you could be running 100 or 200 candidates in seats that are not at all safe for Labour?
00:30:23.000That must be terrifying for globalists like the WEF-affiliated Keir Starmer, a man who's abandoned Labour's principles on day one, a man who, as I recall, and you'll correct me if I'm wrong here, George, When there were those riots in London and across our country, wasn't he high up in the legal system ensuring there were courts running round the clock so poor people could be processed a lot quicker than any 2008 corrupt economy collapsing banker ever might be?
00:30:52.000So this is a chance to really stick it to these globalists, whatever colours they masquerade under.
00:31:05.000To reduce Starmer's majority as far as possible and, if possible, make him dependent upon people like me to get any business through the Parliament at all.
00:31:22.000It would be for the introduction of proportional representation.
00:31:27.000We have people enjoying huge parliamentary majorities whilst only polling a relatively small minority of the votes.
00:31:38.000You can have 30% of the votes, not the voters, if you include the people who don't vote at all.
00:31:47.000There are people forming governments in this country with 20% of the voters, but they get 50, 60, 70% of the seats because we have this first-past-the-post voting system.
00:32:03.000If we had a voting system like they have in many countries on the mainland of Europe, the Workers' Party would already have 40 or 50 members of Parliament.
00:32:15.000So we want big change in this country, big change in the political system.
00:32:21.000Big change in the constitutional system.
00:32:23.000I don't know where you stand on the royals.
00:32:26.000Maybe you're hoping for a knighthood one day.
00:32:33.000We have an unelected head of state Who'll be succeeded by someone whose only qualification is that they were the first born male to the unelected head of state.
00:32:46.000We have an unelected Prime Minister whose own members of Parliament didn't even vote for him.
00:32:53.000And we have an unelected Foreign Secretary, David Cameron, who's come back from the dead But couldn't get elected to Parliament, so they put him in the unelected House of Lords.
00:33:25.000If the Speaker of the House of Commons Decides, he might decide, I've made two powerful speeches this week, look them up.
00:33:33.000If he decides, actually Galloway's spoken enough, he's getting too many supporters out of these speeches, I'm never going to call him to speak again.
00:33:43.000I will never speak again in Parliament.
00:33:47.000It's up to him if I catch his eye or I don't catch his eye.
00:33:52.000If the feudal big tech companies say Galloway's show is getting too big, the mother of all talk shows.
00:34:43.000Yeah I think they're absolutely vital and on the subject of techno feudalism and its already existent sensorial practices we've made a number of Freedom of Information Act requests that we've now received significant data as a result of We'll be reporting on that extensively in the coming weeks that shows the scale of the monitoring and spying by the state, by state departments, and the amount of de-amplication and crushing of dissent that their private proxies have been practicing.
00:35:13.000This is an outrage, and clearly with laws being passed in Canada, with the attempt to pass those hate speech laws in Ireland, and with our own online safety bill being passed, there's an attempt now to control the genie that's already out of the bottle.
00:35:28.000It's become plain that peripheral voices are now able to reach a large number of people.
00:35:34.000It's become evident that the old categories are collapsing, as you just described.
00:35:38.000And this is, of course, not unique to our country.
00:35:43.000In a few years ago, George, I don't think you would have got the rise of a character like Bobby Kennedy, who even two, three, four years ago was regarded as a crackpot on the subject of vaccines, and if you've read anything that he's written on that subject, he knows a great deal, and his research is extraordinary, and who is advocating for a different type of America.
00:36:04.000Now, I'm sure, and I know right off the top of my head, that there'll be subjects on which you would vehemently disagree with Bobby Kennedy, but what we're trying to create here Our civil spaces.
00:36:14.000I know a large number of our audience love Donald Trump.
00:36:18.000That Donald Trump is the berserker, the bull in the china shop, the anti-establishment figure, the drainer of the swamp, the slayer of that professional class of politicians like Hillary Clinton who they detest.
00:36:34.000Our audiences detest Those politicians that claim they're going to go into a country like Haiti and help, but ultimately end up exploiting, who put the country of Haiti into the condition it was in by imposing, or in this case, breaking tariffs that were there to protect Haiti's native agriculture.
00:36:52.000We are united, regardless of the hue or pedigree of our political affiliations or liveries, by a strong anti-globalist message.
00:37:02.000I wonder, George, what you think about the global agricultural movement right now in Germany?
00:37:09.000In the Netherlands, in Sri Lanka, in India.
00:37:12.000Yet another example how top-down edicts are being used to cripple ordinary working people and in particular our ability to create communities, to grow our own food, to trade independently, to run our communities without the intervention, intercession and control of unelected bodies like those that would impose these regulations, of course on the basis of climate change in this instance, on Ordinary farmers.
00:37:38.000I wonder what your views are on that, George.
00:37:51.000And we have to defend our ability to grow our own food.
00:37:59.000The idea that we can close down our farms under the bogus climate change apocalyptic Catastrophism of the so-called climate change extinction rebellion and so on is perfectly absurd.
00:38:39.000The idea that the climate is affected more by cows farting in the field next to where I live than the devastating wars that are taking place.
00:38:59.000The explosion of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline releasing into the atmosphere the world's greatest ever Methane leakage, the spilling of oil in tankers in the Red Sea because the big companies and countries would not reach an agreement with the people of Yemen for passage across their waterways and so on.
00:39:28.000These are all, each and every one of them.
00:39:31.000more significant contributors to climate change than our farmers are.
00:39:38.000And frankly, life wouldn't be worth living for me if I could not eat the natural food produced by the farmers in my own land.
00:39:50.000And I intend to continue to be able to do so.
00:39:54.000Sometimes it seems that the way of life of ordinary people is under attack.
00:39:59.000The recent rejection of the attempt to change the language in the Irish constitution shows how hopelessly out of touch the globalist elite class are with the people that they govern.
00:40:11.000I wonder, George, how you feel about the legacy media's ongoing willingness to amplify and normalize
00:40:20.000the agenda of globalists that clearly don't represent the interests of working people to obfuscate their failings
00:40:28.000and even their cruelty while continuing to trumpet and implore obedience and compliance to their agenda.
00:40:37.000You mentioned Tony Blair a moment ago, and I feel like in a sense, it is indeed his legacy
00:41:32.000Is that opposition and fissure irresoluble?
00:41:36.000Or do you think that there too there is the possibility for alliance when it comes to traditional communities, Christian communities, Muslim communities?
00:41:42.000Is it possible for there to be alliances there too that can oppose this kind of globalism that only has amplified and berserk wokeism as its only badge?
00:41:55.000I like that phrase, berserk wokeism, because that's exactly what we are facing here.
00:42:02.000Nobody wants to interfere in other people's lives.
00:42:09.000They don't want to see discrimination, bigotry, hatred, hate crimes even less, against people because of their sexual orientation or whatever, and they don't want The behaviour of minorities criminalised at all.
00:42:32.000I got a Stonewall Award in the 1990s in the British Parliament for my, quite lonely at that time, it was before it was really hip, my quite lonely stand in favour of equality between gay people and straight people, for example.
00:42:54.000So, I'm untouchable in terms ofâmany of my staff, friends, are gay, and always have been in 37 years in public life.
00:43:07.000I have had such gay people close to me, oftentimes even living in my house.
00:43:15.000So, I'm untouchable as a bigot on this.
00:43:20.000But I don't want my children To be prematurely sexualized in any case.
00:43:29.000I have young children, as you do yourself.
00:43:34.000I have five children in the school system.
00:43:39.000I don't want them taught about sex prematurely, and I don't want them taught About sexual preference and orientation and the trans agenda and so on.
00:44:20.000I will never leave it, and I want to be able to bring up my children With these ethics at the forefront of their personal and social education.
00:44:32.000I don't trust it to a here-today-gone-tomorrow school teacher working for a liberal politician who's also here-today-gone-tomorrow, rootless, maybe faithless, almost certainly faithless.
00:44:51.000So these are Issues, if you like, in which I, an otherwise radical individual, can be credibly described as, small c, conservative on these social matters.
00:45:09.000I'm against many of the things that liberals insist upon for themselves, and my view is, do it.
00:45:20.000Go ahead, Enjoy it, if that's what you call enjoyment, but don't frighten the horses, and don't do it in front of my children.
00:45:31.000When I first went to the United States, once it became clear that I was no longer a denizen
00:45:36.000of the mainstream, this is prior to the accusations and attacks that I would attribute to conspiracy,
00:45:43.000no, I wouldn't use the word conspiracy, collaboration, evident and demonstrable collaboration
00:45:47.000between legacy media, online groups that can dismantle or amplify dissent according to their will,
00:45:56.000and state departments, which I'll talk about in more detail another time, it became clear to me
00:46:02.000that figures of the right, as they are described, whether it's Tucker Carlson or indeed Ben Shapiro,
00:46:08.000with whom, of course, it would be possible to find various areas to strongly disagree,
00:46:14.000we've obviously spent some time discussing about the differences on the subject of war
00:46:18.000between a man like yourself and Ben Shapiro.
00:46:21.000What surprised me and interested me, particularly if they were speaking in good faith,
00:46:26.000I know that I was, was a willingness to look for ways of forming a.
00:46:31.000Alliances and coalitions with people that had different cultural perspectives.
00:46:34.000In fact, the example I used with Ben Shapiro is, would you be willing to stand on a platform with supporters of Black Lives Matter or trans movements in order for you to be able to run your own community and your own schools and religious life according to your own principles?
00:46:50.000If it meant that, similarly, you would not intervene or interfere with the lives of communities that chose to do things entirely differently.
00:46:57.000Increasingly, it seems, as you have said, that in the United States of America, hot-button cultural issues are used to continually divide people.
00:47:05.000And when I see sometimes in our chat people using speech around Islam or Judaism or Christianity or sexuality, I tell them, you are doing the establishment's work for them.
00:47:17.000By opposing one another on these issues, you prevent us from unifying in the way that we must have to.
00:47:22.000Unified, but decentralized against the true monolithic power that opposes us all.
00:47:28.000I, like you, believe that I don't want the state involved in how I raise my children.
00:47:32.000I don't want the state involved in any aspect of my life, as a matter of fact.
00:47:35.000But as a person of the left, how are we of what was once known as the left, excuse me, How would you suggest that we might oppose the evident globalist forces that are made up of a kind of corporate contract between the state and, as you say, rootless economic interests.
00:47:52.000I'm speaking of large corporations that The big tech giants, the energy giants, those that would seek to control absolutely agriculture.
00:48:01.000How do we, George, and what is going to be the role of congressional politics or parliamentary politics or conventional mainstream politics in delivering to us a new politics where we can oppose the true problem, this centralised power?
00:48:34.000I'm afraid it is emanating from America, and I'm so old I saw it happening.
00:48:39.000I saw what I call the Californication of the British political system, the prevailing culture.
00:48:50.000I'm a member of the Groucho Club, I think maybe you are.
00:48:53.000I saw the Groucho Club transform, be Californicated.
00:49:03.000Journalists, the media, the wider class, policy class, the politocracy that govern us, that set the boundaries, parameters of the prevailing authority, I saw it all become californicated.
00:49:22.000And I think we've all lost out as a result.
00:49:29.000It's pouring rain outside in Rochdale, and I'm sure there are wonderful people there.
00:49:36.000This liberal prevailing orthodoxy has brought us all low.
00:49:40.000It's even brought California low, if you ask me.
00:49:45.000We insist in the Workers' Party that we all have identities.
00:49:51.000Some are Catholic, some are Protestant, some are atheist.
00:49:55.000Some support United, some support City, Celtic, Rangers.
00:49:59.000Some are gay, some are straight, some are black, some are white, some are ginger.
00:50:03.000We all have multiple identities, but the one overarching identity that we have is that we are all dependent on selling our labor in order to live.
00:50:18.000If we had no wages at the end of the week, no salary at the end of the month, if that happened two months in a row, We'd be in the poorhouse if they still had poorhouses.
00:50:31.000We'd be in the workhouse if they still had workhouses.
00:52:05.000You know, I spoke in Parliament on this yesterday, and they were all shifting very uncomfortably indeed, because I was busting their bubble.
00:52:18.000And now they know that what was once confined to the Parliament Channel, watched by a few thousand geeks, is now on all of our social media platforms and getting millions of views of my speech and their uncomfortableness.
00:52:37.000And I made the point, I said, Donald Trump's coming, you know.
00:53:54.000Oh, Russell, you should have been there.
00:53:57.000You're too young to have read The Iron Heel by Jack London, but I commend it to you.
00:54:03.000And In The Iron Heel by Jack London, there's a scene when the hero, Ernest Everard is his name, confronts the local Chamber of Commerce with all the crimes they've committed against the workers and their widows in the town.
00:54:22.000And he describes how their faces all began to contort and their being rise and rise.
00:54:30.000That's what it was like in Parliament yesterday when I confronted with these people with the
00:54:35.000ineluctable fact that unless they stop him with extreme prejudice, President Trump will
00:54:45.000Yeah, that's pretty extraordinary to hear your beautiful description of that, and it shows that in a sense what we have is a religion in all but name, that the belief in the war between Ukraine and Russia can't be subject to any real scrutiny, that people don't want to confront the origins of that conflict, and The CIA's intervention and provocation, the fact that Zelensky's doing deals with Black Rock for any eventual post-war scenario, neither is it often talked about that the media has been centralised in Ukraine and there's been no democracy or certainly no elections there.
00:55:26.000for a significant period of time has become a religious belief and this peculiar and literally Orwellian ability to transform meaning is happening before our very eyes almost continually.
00:55:37.000I wonder what you think of this new extremism bill in our country where extremism is being redefined.
00:55:42.000I think somewhat with you in mind George and certainly With the ability to curtail and stop any populist movements coalescing.
00:55:52.000I saw some language in the bill which Keir Starmer and Rishi Sunak, both of those globalists agreed must be passed, saying if it was against the British way of life.
00:56:02.000Excuse me, it could be regarded, any speech that was against the British way of life could be regarded as hate speech.
00:56:07.000What do you think about that bill in particular?
00:56:10.000And what do you think about the way that language is being changed?
00:56:14.000Vague hate speech laws, vague censorship being imposed, true information, which is mal-information, being censored if it's not convenient to the agenda of the powerful.
00:56:24.000Did you ever think you'd witness something like this happening in Western democracies within your parliamentary career?
00:56:32.000I really didn't and you know I was first elected to Parliament 37 years ago and if someone had said to me 37 years ago that the day would come when in Scotland the hate bill comes into operation on April Fool's Day, I mean they're laughing at us.
00:56:53.000On April Fool's Day, if I say to you some of the things that I have already said to you down this camera, but even if it was around my own dinner table, you know the Englishman's home used to be his castle, now you can be charged for saying something in private in your own home that the Authorities, the globalized elite, have decided, constitute hate-speak.
00:57:25.000And it doesn't even have to be things that most of us would consider to be hate-speak.
00:58:12.000Whether I'm in my own home, whether I'm talking to Russell Brand on international television, or if I'm saying it in any other country in the world.
00:58:23.000I don't even have to be in Scotland to be charged with it in Scotland.
00:58:29.000If I turn up in Scotland, which I must do from time to time, I can be arrested for having said it in California.
00:58:42.000It will either mean we have to have a million police officers doing nothing else with their time but arresting people for hate speech, a million new courts trying people on extremism charges defined by a group of people that most of us would believe are pretty extreme themselves, the pot calling the kettle black, That's probably another example of hate speech I've just uttered.
00:59:51.000Let the people pick the flower they like the best.
00:59:56.000Extraordinary the assumption of paternalism that the government espouses and imposes in seeking to censor the information that we might access, that we as sovereign adults may determine for ourselves.
01:00:11.000Our medical choices, our cultural choices, our religious choices.
01:00:15.000I couldn't obviously agree with you more.
01:00:17.000Obviously the movement you came up in was defined in a sense as a response to mass industrialization and the necessity for workers to be able to impose oppose the potential tyranny that people that controlled industry may exploit.
01:00:31.000Now that we live in an age where globalism controls the workforce. I wonder what you think
01:00:37.000of examples of corporations such as Amazon. Perhaps Amazon is the easiest
01:00:42.000symbol for us to attack. Where in places like Tilbury, Furrock, where I'm
01:00:46.000from, there are mass PAC centers, where there are workers movements, I find it
01:00:52.000hard to get off the ground. And for all of the discourse that you've described,
01:00:56.000much of which is built around compassion, wokeism ultimately comes from ideas that
01:01:01.000are meant to be about compassion towards vulnerable people, minority people.
01:01:04.000When it comes to the hard line of the rights of people to earn a living that
01:01:09.000you spoke about earlier, this is where the compassion seems to sharply run
01:01:15.000Is there a possibility for some kind of movement of workers built around these truly global monoliths that require labor on an international level?
01:01:25.000Even when they have, you know, distribution factories in countries like ours, distribution centers rather, in countries like ours.
01:01:30.000Do you see that there's a way to organize on that basis?
01:01:35.000Or do you think that the way that The working people, ordinary Americans, ordinary British people, perhaps ordinary people around the world, have to organize other than their role in the workplace, or as you said earlier, do you still see that as a defining aspect of all human life?
01:01:54.000No, of course the workplace has changed.
01:01:58.000In my old constituency in Glasgow, there was once a factory, Parkhead Forge, which employed 30,000 people inside that factory, and every one of them had a union card in their pocket, and they had political education coursing through the workplace and the workforce.
01:02:17.000All of that has changed, so we have to change also.
01:02:21.000But every A person who works for these big monoliths needs to join a union.
01:02:28.000It's kind of not rocket science that you'll have more power collectively vis-a-vis your employer than you will individually.
01:03:48.000The division of the peoples of the world into not just competing but warring factions.
01:03:56.000This is where my religion and my politics merge, because I believe that all of us are God's children, that none of us are exceptional, that none of us are God's chosen people, that we are all God's chosen people.
01:04:16.000Then we need to make a world that is fair and equitable.
01:04:47.000And I ask everyone to join that fight.
01:04:49.000I have one final question, George, that I think will be interesting to you.
01:04:52.000We've spent a lot of time in the early part of our conversation talking about how particularly fractious, historic, religious and potent the conflict in Gaza is.
01:05:00.000How it's defined politics for more than a generation, it's defined politics for millennia.
01:05:05.000That it reaches into culture, that it reaches into economics and ideologies.
01:05:09.000Even in new emergent spaces where there were extraordinary affiliations starting to form.
01:05:16.000In particular, I mean, what is known, somewhat glibly perhaps, as the alt-right.
01:05:21.000You had figures like Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens forming alliances.
01:05:26.000Now, Candace Owens has just left the Daily Wire, presumably because of differences around this conflict.
01:05:32.000I want to tie this to a question sort of that connects to our culture.
01:05:35.000I remember when I first heard of Tommy Robinson who sort of come up through football culture in Luton, a town in our country with a large Muslim population.
01:05:45.000I remember thinking if you could ever find a way of making the Muslim population and the white working class population of Luton come together and recognise who they were truly opposed to, you would have a movement indeed.
01:05:57.000With these new media spaces that we participate in, George, becoming increasingly and necessarily politicised, I note with interest that you are avid online because it's presumably a way of reaching your electorate, presumably a way of growing it, presumably a way of ensuring massive success on October the 17th when you oppose the globalists from all across our parliament.
01:06:20.000I wonder what it means when Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens, on the subject of this war in particular, can't find a way of allowing each other free speech, of coming together in unity.
01:06:35.000Is there something unique about this conflict?
01:06:37.000It's become divisive in places where there was at least a burgeoning sense of potential unity and real opposition.
01:06:44.000Yeah, it ought not to have been a deal-breaker on the issue of free speech.
01:06:51.000Candace and Ben Shapiro have quite similar views on a lot of things and ought to have been able to live with their difference on this subject.
01:07:02.000As I said earlier, Tucker Carlson, Alec Jones and Candace Owen are all moving In the direction towards my position, and I find that very interesting and very significant, and actually inevitable.
01:07:20.000I honestly can't understand how anyone can look at the pictures and videos that I'm looking at, and they are presumably looking at, and come to any other conclusion, unless you believe in exceptionalism, you see.
01:07:34.000Unless you believe that some of us are more exceptional than others.
01:07:40.000Some of us are chosen and therefore some of us, by definition, are not.
01:07:45.000If you believe that, then you'll believe anything.
01:07:49.000And if you believe that, you'll believe that the inferior will have to bow down to the superior, the unexceptional bowing down to the exceptional.
01:08:00.000And I'm religiously forbidden to believe in such things, as well as politically disinclined to do so.
01:08:09.000So I don't think it's the issue itself.
01:08:14.000It's the issue of exceptionalism, and that's what we have to dish.
01:08:20.000It's the one thing that will always divide the likes of Robinson with me.
01:08:25.000It's the one thing that will always divide a fascist with me.
01:08:31.000Because a fascist, a Robinsonist, believes that they are exceptional, that the people they support are chosen somehow.
01:08:43.000If you believe that we're all God's children, if you believe that we're all the sons of Adam, Then you cannot believe in exceptionalism or chosenness or ideas of superiority.
01:08:59.000And I'm very glad that I was born and grew up in an atmosphere that would never have tolerated any such ideas on my part.
01:09:07.000George, I knew it would be a rollercoaster ride to converse with you.
01:09:11.000I knew that I would learn new things about the Labour movement, the way that conventional and traditional politics can start to coalesce with new and emergent political forces beyond the categories that increasingly seem to be less and less useful.
01:09:27.000I didn't realise that we would talk so much about faith, about the significance and importance of the role of Christ, but how that Does not facilitate exceptionalism in the true believer, George.
01:09:40.000And also we've had that whole conversation without mentioning our previous time knowing one another on a reality-based show decades and decades ago.
01:09:49.000We've moved into a different reality indeed, George Galloway.
01:10:01.000Well, let me know what you thought of that conversation with George Galloway.
01:10:04.000Did it inspire in you the hope that people from across the political and cultural spectrum, even internationally, can come together to demand more localised democracy, less
01:10:14.000globalism, more representation and even use existing political systems to oppose globalist
01:10:22.000Is it going to be necessary for us to look at our hardest felt and longed for prejudices
01:10:27.000and how we can overcome them in order to form a new movement that is powerful and able to attack
01:10:32.000a potent serpent that is coiled around the globe even now?
01:10:36.000Surely, we have to recognize that we are on the precipice of something important and seismic.
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01:12:39.000We'll be continuing our theme of forming alliances with people from across the political spectrum.
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