00:03:06.000They have a whole, they have like a, there's a whole mystery around it because there's like a plant that, it's like some kind of like witch doctors, you know, put together this herb and it makes the person seem like they're dead, almost like in Romeo and Juliet.
00:03:33.000The Serpent in the Rainbow was the book written about it by the Harvard, it was like a Harvard biologist or someone that went there to try to investigate this phenomenon.
00:03:58.000And so these dark magician, voodoo doctors, the bad ones, you know, black magicians, they like, they zombify people and turn them into slaves.
00:04:14.000Don't you think that sometimes when you take the, that, that principle of as above, so below, you know, the alchemic principle, the fractal idea, sometimes when you consider the horrors of, uh, being, you know, like, oh, if you're in a cult, there's some sort of, you know, there's some structure and you've lost your will and you've been sublimated.
00:04:32.000It's like, well, we're only talking about scale.
00:06:09.000And I remember the same phenomena as a young boy.
00:06:13.000Like in my school, I don't know, it was like, I can see I'm a little older than you, but in my school, it was still VHS pornography times and they were passing around.
00:06:20.000Animal Farm was a big hit at our school.
00:06:23.000And Animal Farm was the only way it was bestiality.
00:06:58.000Anyway, like, so, anyway, so with that animal farm man, that was some, it weren't right.
00:07:03.000But I do remember, even as a young boy, thinking, wow, if that's what they're willing to do with those eels, that pig, that cow, that horse, then that, and like, as Bill Hicks used to say, and I'm not getting laid.
00:07:19.000I think this takes us into the realm of demons.
00:07:52.000I would say the absolute and essential.
00:07:53.000I mean, Bosch's paintings are not, they don't look very appealing to have, you know, sticks, you know, Impaling you up the ass, or you know, well, Sean, I've been probably been more desperate than you.
00:08:05.000There have been times where I'd have leapt into a Bosch triptych.
00:09:49.000I mean, people, you know, I don't like to compare it to like, you know, Nazi Germany, but the point is that we've all experienced the banality of following orders and how that can lead you to a place of whether it's war and killing people or whether it's you must wear your mask, you must take your jab.
00:10:05.000I mean, this kind of just obedience, blind obedience, hypnotic obedience, going back to what we were talking about with the zombification.
00:10:15.000Yes, because recently someone's explained to me that, in a way, this is why I recently read it's this guy who's, I'm sorry to say that his name is Norman Grubb, because the name Norman Grubb undermines how esoteric and brilliant his ideas are, because you have to say Norman Grubb at the beginning of it.
00:10:31.000But Norman Grubb says that human beings have no independent nature, but we are expressors of a deity nature.
00:10:39.000Either it is the deity nature of the God that says, I am, but I am.
00:10:44.000Or is the collapsed and fallen nature of the liar, the enemy.
00:10:49.000And it's interesting that we are in obedience in all these states, that we're either obedient to a combination of our own desires and the culture, which is always going to be brokered by self.
00:11:01.000That's why I think, Sean, transcendence of self is necessary.
00:11:04.000And one of the things that's happened to me since coming to Christ is the recognition that it's much more mysterious and esoteric than I had ever imagined, or how it seems to me the institutional church generally represented, that it's sort of a deep, profound, Mystery of being like overcome, kind of an ecstatic overcoming.
00:11:23.000The reversal of that zombification, even though it does include obedience, like real faith is obedience.
00:11:32.000It's surrendering the self, surrendering the ego to a higher power, but a higher power of a divine sort and not of a worldly power, you know, a satanic worldly power, right?
00:11:45.000And being able to distinguish between the two.
00:11:47.000And that's the thing to navigate, obviously, because there is a collective.
00:11:51.000I believe a collective experience of us as humans.
00:11:53.000And so it's not a bad thing that we have more of a global consciousness.
00:11:58.000But if people try to hijack and use that for government, for world government policies, right, then they're basically taking that we are maybe a collective beings, maybe we are kind of like a hive, and they're trying to hijack the power that should be a divine power.
00:12:15.000I think I mentioned it to you last time you talked.
00:12:18.000I was just learning about this idea of a kind of almost a honeycomb cellular reality that undergirds apparent reality, the reality beyond the senses.
00:12:27.000And the reason it was interesting to me that you said hive is I was also thinking about how.
00:12:31.000If the queen is removed from a hive, the bees behave completely differently.
00:12:35.000What is the kind of communication that they receive?
00:12:38.000Is it going to be endocrine or pheromonal?
00:12:40.000It's not going to be, oh no, where's the queen?
00:12:42.000It's not going to be a rational, logical, what we, a higher faculty, mammalian or a human sapient response.
00:12:49.000It's going to be something akin to the presence of the queen organizes their entire collective consciousness.
00:12:57.000The Christ is that which brings us together into an obedience within which there is freedom.
00:13:03.000The first thing the deceiver has done, Told us that our only freedom is freedom to pursue our petty, selfish, trivial, sensual desires.
00:13:11.000And I speak about that as someone that actually was my way of life, was like, do what, you know, the Alastair Crowley idea, do what thou will, shall be the whole of the law.
00:13:21.000Fulfill your pleasures, pursue sex and drugs and all that stuff, and just see where that stuff takes you.
00:15:56.000And, like you say, I mean, it's powerfully hallucinogenic and prophetic writing.
00:16:01.000And did you know that often, like both with Ezekiel, Daniel, and with John's writing here on Patmos, there's a bit where they get given a scroll that they put in their mouth.
00:16:11.000It's like, put this in your mouth, and you will get these revelations.
00:16:15.000When the dragon saw that he'd been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child.
00:16:21.000The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle.
00:16:25.000So that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness where she would be taken care of for a time, times and a half time.
00:16:38.000Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river to overtake the woman and sweep her away with a torrent.
00:16:44.000But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.
00:16:50.000Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring, those who keep God's commands and hold.
00:17:01.000I suppose that that as well, coupled with the garden imagery of Genesis and some of the imagery out of Daniel, it's like dream imagery.
00:17:12.000And I suppose it's the language of image, the language of image, which as a filmmaker you must be into.
00:17:18.000Because there are certain, for example, when it says there, the serpent spews water out of its mouth to overtake the woman, that gives me a feeling that I do not like.
00:17:28.000And then, like, I don't know what it is that I'm feeling or why I'm feeling that, or where it sits temporally when it says something like for a time and a half, and it appears to be talking about Mary and Christ and the like it appears to be talking about the sort of perfect creation and the reconciliation of God and man and the antagonism that exists between sort of good and evil,
00:17:52.000describing it in a way that's somehow understandable, but at the very edges of what's possible to understand, you know, like hallucinogenics and like prophecies, I suppose, must.
00:18:01.000Be because it's taking you to the edge of the known.
00:18:03.000Well, if you've ever done ayahuasca, I mean, you know it.
00:18:05.000I mean, every time I do ayahuasca journeys, when you ask questions, it doesn't give you, there's no direct answer.
00:18:13.000And what it does, it'll show you visuals that can be interpreted by you, you know, in terms of your consciousness, where you are, what you can understand and glean from that image at that time.
00:18:22.000So that's what I think of when I, you know, when you talk about revelations or other, you know, poetic scriptures or whatnot that are kind of, even Enoch, right?
00:18:30.000Book of Enoch and things like that, Ezekiel.
00:18:32.000It's like, These people could have been on mushrooms.
00:18:35.000They could have been seeing these visions and they can be trying to relay it to you, but you can't give people the answer.
00:18:42.000I don't think that's the way that the universe is designed, right?
00:18:44.000We're not supposed to have the answer.
00:18:52.000Also, what is on mushrooms, really, other than access to a reality that is evident, somewhat reliable, repeatable, and Evidently consistent enough to have produced its own kind of archetypes.
00:19:08.000You know, we know what we mean by a psychedelic experience to a degree.
00:19:13.000And it's not just the amplification or distortion of a sensory reality.
00:19:18.000It seems to me to be the presentation of an archetypal field, ever present archetypal field.
00:19:24.000So, whether they're, you know, and the reason I brought up the eating of the scrolls is because it does really sound like psychedelics and it does include some sort of aural initiation and ignition.
00:19:38.000What they're describing is a plane of reality that for people that live on this bandwidth, this sort of mundial heavy darkness, that can only really be appreciated in terms of either the mind of a great artist or a psychedelic encounter.
00:19:53.000To have that visual, I mean, to be able to visualize the way a Dali would paint or a, not Yates, I'm thinking a Blake, William Blake's visions.
00:20:03.000Again, I mean, it's all, like you said, it's all there.
00:20:06.000I think consciousness surrounds us and our brain is the computer receiving that Wi Fi.
00:20:11.000And sometimes, With the drugs and whatnot, you know, they're there to kind of slow the brain, turn it off enough to stop blocking, inhibiting it so that we can actually see, you know, what the universe is trying to show us.
00:20:21.000And, uh, I think it's great that Trump has allowed, um, you know, to open up the, uh, the practices, right, for Iboga and Ibogaine and MDMA and other, um, you know, drugs that they can now, I think it's, is it for experimental purposes they can, they can work on?
00:20:35.000It seems like it's being sort of therapeutically regulated, but it might have unpredictable and unforeseen consequences that could be beneficial.
00:20:41.000I don't mean that in a foreboding way.
00:20:50.000So, so I mean, I've done, I think when I, when we did our interview and I previously told Tucker about this, I mean, back in 2010, 11, 12, I was living through high strangeness because I had, I was working on a film about Greystone, the, not the mansion in LA, but the mental hospital in New Jersey.
00:21:08.000And in the process of making that film, I also was being initiated into the Masons and I was exploring other places and all of this.
00:21:16.000This high strangeness comes to a head.
00:21:18.000So I was documenting it with my handheld camera and never released this.
00:21:24.000But I feel like it's finally the time because we're living in a time of spiritual war.
00:21:27.000People are aware of the spiritual war.
00:21:29.000They're more eager and open to these concepts.
00:21:32.000I mean, once Tucker came out saying he was attacked by a demon, and obviously others have been talking about this, but I feel like we can actually bring it to the fore of consciousness now and say, yes, this realm is real.
00:21:41.000The documentary will get into the fallen ones, the Nephilim, the ancient stories around this.
00:21:47.000And you'll have to make up for your own self what you think is going on here.
00:21:51.000This film hopefully will show you that we live in a multidimensional reality that is pretty hard to make sense of without maybe a hallucinogenic approach.
00:22:03.000Okay, well, let's try and make sense of the world with the additional problem of it being filmed by Sean Stone, who I think is making it more complicated.
00:22:30.000Remember the alchemists where they were working on turning any base metals like lead into gold?
00:22:36.000But they were also, in order to do that, there was a certain point in the process where you had a secret stone, a philosopher's stone, it was called, that you could use to catalyze the transformation.
00:22:47.000And the transformation is actually of our own souls.
00:22:49.000We are transforming from dull lead into gold.
00:23:43.000Um, also, yes, of course, the, uh, it must be allegorical for it to have any value at all.
00:23:49.000And, uh, lately I've been thinking about because someone helped me to understand it that, uh, in Exodus, when Moses is getting the tablets, that's when downstairs or not downstairs, really at the bottom of the mountain, all the other folks build the golden calf and the golden calf is the, the false idol of the golden calf is made by each of them.
00:24:10.000Give their own gold to make a false idol.
00:24:13.000For me, this is a perfect allegory for how we contribute by giving our own consciousness to this centralized system of corruption.
00:24:18.000You contribute your gold, I contribute my gold, and we all believe in this mad.
00:24:30.000So when, so in the book of Acts, when he says, in the book of Acts, when, um, they have all their stuff in common, they are undoing it because that the 3000, 3000 die is a punishment.
00:24:43.000Of uh, for this false idolatry, it's like Moses, he's furious, he comes down, he smashes the tablets.
00:24:49.000That's the only commandments he had at that point.
00:25:22.000So like 3,000 die and it's 3,000 to converted at Peter's first ceremony.
00:25:26.000And someone explained to me that this is a kind of an, uh, one of those biblical examples of the resolution and reconciliation offered by Christ to be offered to us through numerical coding.
00:25:36.000It's my own observation, though, that the people in Acts invert the solipsism and false idolatry of the golden calf with their decree, their decree among them.
00:25:50.000Like those that had been so close to the living incarnate Christ and the risen Christ were so alchemized that they, nothing in the world could distract or please them.
00:27:07.000And this was you were making this while you've been initiated into the Masons, wandering around at nighttime in an abandoned mental hospital, and making a film called Greystone.
00:27:17.000So this is the behind the scenes on that experience.
00:27:21.000Let's leap into the marvelous mind of Sean Stone.
00:32:18.000When the building was opened until 1943, when the Pentagon was completed, this was the largest structure in the United States under one roof.
00:33:18.000Oh, Lord, be with us while we do this watch along.
00:33:21.000Sean Stone predictably has dragged us into the underworld.
00:33:24.000We knew it when we agreed to this that there would be a colossal darkness that would come with him.
00:33:29.000Don't be fooled by his twinkling eyes nor his rippling abs when he was a young man.
00:33:33.000He's a necromancer dabbling in dark arts.
00:33:35.000Lord, let's have a laugh and have some fun and be with us.
00:33:38.000Let's not have that undue fascination with demons that old C.S. Lewis talks about, you know, being either too interested in them or not acknowledging their.
00:35:05.000The alchemists of old believed that there was such a thing as a philosopher's stone, a secret stone, a stone that you could create through chemical processes, burning, sculpting, steam, fire, water, earth, molding this stone that would then allow you to transform a metal, any metal, into gold.
00:35:32.000That is to say, to take your conscious side, everyday, normal, reasoning side, merge it with the unconscious, the hidden, the dark side, the shadow side, and by uniting the two, bring them into a kind of conjunction.
00:35:53.000It would require a lot of pain, It would require death In a figurative sense.
00:38:48.000The legend of the House of the Damned was simply this.
00:38:58.000Apparently, in the 60s and 70s time period, a couple of priests, pedophiles, were molesting and kidnapping young children, young boys in particular.
00:39:15.000And taking them to this house where they were submitting them to some kind of ritual abuse, involving black magic and even cannibalism.
00:40:43.000And then I stopped laughing and broke out of it and I went into the room where he was like, yo, let's just get out of here because I got really weirded out.
00:40:49.000But when I stopped laughing, I turned around and the guy was right in my face.
00:40:53.000I was like, I was like, I fucking broke out of him.
00:40:54.000I turned around, he was like, boom, right here.
00:42:02.000I didn't realize it was so close to Letchworth Village.
00:42:05.000Letchworth Village happens to be a location where they used to house mentally challenged children.
00:42:12.000North of the city, on the way to Bear Mountain, is a lovely looking place called the Letchworth Village Rehabilitation Center.
00:42:18.000Set among the hills and woods of suburban Rockland County, a passerby could easily mistake the place for a country club or a college campus.
00:42:26.000But the early morning mist gave the place an eerie feeling like a set from a horror movie.
00:42:31.000And once inside, that feeling became suddenly appropriate.
00:42:34.000This house, the dam, is located at the top of the hill of Letchworth, above Letchworth and Forest.
00:43:50.000You know, it was the priest and these two pedophiles, and they used to take these kids, and the pedophiles lived in the house, and the priest would do satanic rituals to them, you know, disembowel them while they were still alive, rape them, and just do a lot of.
00:44:05.000and keep them alive just in order to prolong the agony, because that's what.
00:51:23.000So I was thinking about energy systems and the occupation of energy systems, that it needs vessels and it needs things to inhabit.
00:51:31.000And I started to understand that institutions are like farms, that if indeed the world is in the capture of the fallen one, the first thing is to banalize it, to make the institutions kind of boring.
00:51:44.000And you don't really want to sort of go in there.
00:51:45.000You don't, you know, but somehow we intuit that there's something.
00:51:58.000But there's a lot of stories in the UK about kids in boys' homes and sort of mental hospitals being exploited.
00:52:06.000And there's always, not always, but often when these stories emerge, there's an occultist element.
00:52:12.000There's this famous place called Dolphin Square in the UK where they said there were apartments and the kids that were getting taken out of, oh, you know, essentially orphanages.
00:52:22.000I suppose if there are vulnerable kids where there's no one that's caring for them, just on a practical level, that facilitates that level of exploitation.
00:52:35.000I just wonder, Sean, that we're getting close, like the people that have been on the periphery of the culture that have been talking about adrenochrome and adrenaline.
00:52:46.000I've been on the periphery talking about all this stuff for years, you know.
00:52:49.000But yeah, we're making it, we're bringing it, consciousness is finally ready to accept.
00:52:54.000These things collectively, collective consciousness.
00:53:20.000I suppose the next that what often happens is when the esoteric.
00:53:24.000Enters into the exoteric or the mainstream, to use a simpler word, that they find ways of somehow curtailing it, of preventing it from having the impact it might have.
00:53:36.000On a much more mundial level, I was having a conversation with this lady, Sonia Elijah, who's done a very good investigative journalistic job of chronicling what went on in the pandemic from the initial lies about its provenance and origin all the way through to the various political measures, the profit in.
00:53:55.000And it's very difficult to get people to.
00:54:01.000It's hard to, it's hard to know what to do.
00:54:06.000I think that's the main thing I always emphasize is, you know, be the change.
00:54:09.000You know, Gandhi saying, you know, be the change you want to see.
00:54:11.000If something's available to you on your path, walk it, do it.
00:54:16.000But also don't, you know, don't overstress that, you know, we can't change the world by ourselves.
00:54:20.000It's going to be each of us doing, hopefully becoming a better person, right?
00:54:24.000And connecting to others that are doing the work and trusting that God is the change.
00:54:28.000God has a greater plan than any of us.
00:54:30.000So when we're meant to, you know, be in a position to do something, we'll be positioned to do that.
00:54:34.000It's very cool, the movie so far, mate.
00:54:36.000It's very, like, I like the aesthetic very much.
00:54:40.000Well, I mean, and I reckon, you know, it's funny enough because I suppose that's when was Blair Witch Project?
00:54:44.000I mean, when did that become an aesthetic?
00:54:46.000You know, like, you know, like, so it's sort of, but I wondered, I was watching it, I was thinking, you could make this a scripted movie now because it's like good looking young people doing creepy stuff.
00:54:58.000Like the sort of, you know, when, like, almost like how Drew Barrymore done that.
00:55:01.000Grey Gardens movie after Grey Gardens.
00:55:04.000Like this, watching this, you could see how a scripted movie that moves in and out.
00:55:09.000Well, yeah, the House of the Damned is a scary place.
00:55:13.000You'll see, you haven't even gotten inside yet.