00:00:19.000Now we started our conversation talking about.
00:00:21.000Your apprenticeship, as it were, in filmmaking was undertaken with your father, the famous American filmmaker Oliver Stone, and you've recently collaborated with him on the film RFK Legacy.
00:00:35.000Let's have a look at the trailer and then we'll talk about that for a bit.
00:02:51.000And I suppose why it's exciting, one of the reasons it's exciting is that the.
00:02:56.000Father and son thing, and also that both your family and the Kennedy family tell an interesting alternative story of American history while still being central to it, both in entertainment and politics.
00:03:10.000So, um, tell me I mean, I want to, I'm gonna watch the movie, it's amazing actually.
00:03:15.000But what do you think we you primarily learned about American politics from making that film?
00:03:24.000American politics, I don't think it was the making of that film, I think it was when I was six, seven years old.
00:04:02.000I've got to think of the stories I try and tell my children around that age.
00:04:08.000And I do try and tell them everything's not what it seems and be careful with authority and people that you're told are heroes might not necessarily be.
00:04:17.000And the information you get from media might not be true.
00:04:20.000But you, when you were seven, you were learning what you've been told about one of the most beloved politicians and leaders of the modern era is a lie.
00:04:30.000And you were, I mean, what level were you experiencing that as a child?
00:06:11.000And it's basically, Poking fun at the right wing nuts and how they get caught up in conspiracy.
00:06:18.000First, it's no masks, and then it basically escalates and escalates from there.
00:06:22.000And the filmmaker behind it was interviewed and he said, Oh, I had my crew watch JFK because to me, that's like a conspiracy fantasy that we have to get into, we have to understand the paranoid mindset of a conspiracy theorist.
00:06:36.000Yeah, so a lot of people still, I guess, believe that.
00:06:39.000Although, majority of Americans don't think Oswald acted alone, but the mainstream left media still wants people to, you know, Believe the Warren Commission narrative around the event.
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00:08:11.000For most people, it seems to me at least that the journey of being educated is one where you accept, generally speaking, what you're told and the way things appear and the way that they seem.
00:08:27.000One doesn't generally start from a position of doubt.
00:08:36.000But you've had a very, very unique life, I suppose, because for you, the bedrock of your education would have been I'm assuming you can't trust what you're told.
00:08:45.000In all likelihood, you're being lied to.
00:08:48.000So I just wonder what kind of trajectory you have, both as a man and as a filmmaker, when your basic understanding of reality is you can't trust power, you're being lied to.
00:08:57.000The most powerful people in the world can be executed if they're not compliant with these old.
00:09:03.000And also, how for you, it's not something that I've really seen, especially in your father's work, you're fascinated with, it seems, religion, the supernatural, the occult, and the esoteric.
00:09:13.000Can you tell us a little bit about is there a connection that I'm suggesting between if you start at the level of you can't trust the reality you're presented with, that you become curious about other levels of reality?
00:09:27.000If you start at the point of like 15, 16 years old, reading all about CIA black ops and.
00:09:37.000The mundane power structure and how the deep state works.
00:09:41.000I mean, before it was called the deep state, it was the secret government or whatnot.
00:09:45.000The fact that we have, our CIA has coured countless 70 plus countries and operated all over the world, destabilized governments, fomented revolutions and wars.
00:09:59.000So once you understand that as a kid, it's like, where do you go from there?
00:10:01.000Okay, then you get into Rule by Secrecy by Jim Mars, which gets into the secret society.
00:10:06.000Then you get into like David Icke's work in the bigger picture and the more esoteric interpretation of history.
00:10:14.000And so I think I was open to that idea because the more you study history, the more you get into legends and lores.
00:10:22.000And even people, even historians like Procopius writing the secret history of Justinian, saying, yeah, Justinian was known to shape shift at night and turn into basically he was turning into a demon that was feeding on like human blood.
00:10:36.000This is the kind of history that gets buried by most historians.
00:10:42.000It's like, oh, it's absurd, but yet every culture has these types of myths and stories.
00:10:49.000And so I think if you allow yourself to start opening to it, which I did, and then I'm actually opening the door to living it, which was for me the only way of being sure was to actually experience it.
00:11:00.000To actually say, okay, I've experienced high strangeness.
00:11:03.000I know we are in a multi dimensional reality.
00:11:05.000And that's the only way the conspiracy makes sense to me, because otherwise it becomes.
00:11:12.000I don't see how they could maintain these empires for generation after generation after generation if there wasn't something more multidimensional driving it.
00:11:20.000It's hard enough to get people to the point where they question the intentions of their government and their network of agencies and institutions around them, both private, corporate, and global bureaucratic.
00:11:33.000It's hard to get people to question even that reality.
00:11:35.000I think, as you've mentioned by bringing up that film, Eddington, was that what it was called?
00:11:42.000Like the sort of film that sort of implies that anyone that has concerns about the way that the pandemic unrolled and who benefited from that pandemic and the wealth transfer and the new legislation that was introduced and the population control opportunities that it afforded and the ability to in future use crisis as an opportunity to assert authoritarianism, to legitimize digital ID, to mandate medications.
00:12:08.000Like the people, it's very difficult even a few years afterwards to get people to recollect and reflect on how.
00:12:18.000And in fact, when I think about it, the films of Oliver Stone, like JFK actually in particular, but others as well, helped me to have a different perspective.
00:12:30.000Once you get though to the point where you start to question the nature of reality itself, it's that you require, I wonder, Sean, do you ever think that we require some kind of, without What I want to say is a framework.
00:12:49.000But the problem with a framework is that it can lapse into tradition, and tradition can become dogma, and dogma becomes control.
00:12:56.000The reason I ask this question is because it seems like, in some ways, while our lives have been very different, there are comparisons.
00:13:01.000Like some of the people you listed then have really influenced and affected the way that I saw reality.
00:13:08.000When I was like 16, 17, and doing acid and taking hallucinogenics and questioning what was real and what wasn't, and really sort of unfurling into different spaces, I already had an anti establishment perspective.
00:13:20.000I started to develop a kind of appreciation that there was a spiritual dimension to power.
00:13:28.000And in fact, the primary dimension of power is spiritual.
00:13:32.000But since coming to Christ, I feel both more grounded in that and more articulate in it.
00:13:40.000And I've lost nothing in terms of the vocabulary that I had and the understanding that I previously had, i.e., the world is evil, it's being controlled by evil institutions and individuals.
00:13:53.000Acting at the behest and under the control of paranormal and supernatural forces, which seems like a pretty outrageous thing to say, but it's in the Bible and it's sort of when you look out the window, it seems to be sort of happening live before our very eyes.
00:14:07.000And that we can have a personal relationship with and draw power from the creator of all reality, Christ.
00:14:21.000And so, what I'm supposed to be asking you here is.
00:14:25.000What do you think our role becomes as storytellers and participants in a culture that hates us and wants to destroy us because that culture is a tool of the very powers that we're railing against?
00:14:34.000And what skills are we going to have to develop in order to present stories that help form new coalitions that are not compromised but are open and loving enough to not be, by their nature, exclusive?
00:15:01.000You have to really concentrate because I don't know what I'm saying until I've finished saying it.
00:15:06.000You don't know where the stopping point is, so you start trying to think of your answer early and it sort of goes.
00:15:11.000Yeah, when I talk to proper academics and intellectuals, they hate it because they've got an answer about 10 words in and then by the time the question's ended, I no longer care about that bit.
00:15:21.000I've sort of worked that out, I've moved on.
00:15:32.000I don't think any of us can answer for how this storytelling is supposed to take shape.
00:15:39.000We can be participants on what's available to us.
00:15:42.000I mean, I've been working and telling stories, documentaries, and I haven't hit a nerve the way my father was able to hit a nerve to reach the level of awareness and success that he was able to do in his lifetime.
00:15:59.000And I don't know what that feels like to actually catch that wave, to hit that nerve, and to be able to be accessed to such a level of awareness and consciousness.
00:16:10.000And a lot of people would say they're.
00:16:13.000Very important stories and people that are doing work out there that don't get the level of success.
00:16:18.000And it does make you wonder at what level of, you know, is it there's some level of gatekeeping and destiny?
00:16:24.000I mean, what are the forces that are at work, right, that allow one story to make it to the mainstream and another one that's well done completely gets missed by consciousness, right?
00:16:34.000Really, we have to wonder about these things and just the nature of where human consciousness is ready to receive, ready to actually understand what's being given to them, right?
00:16:46.000It's at one level, we say like there's a dark side that's gatekeeping, manipulating, trying to maybe, you know, manipulate consciousness.
00:16:54.000I mean, you probably have seen it much closer than I have because you've been part of some of these studio films.
00:17:00.000You've been married to a pop star who demonstrated some dissociative identity, personality, kitten programming.
00:17:07.000I don't know if you noticed that, but I noticed it with the Andy documentary when Katie went into her cat character, her kitty character, which seemed like dissociation to me, which is a very common thing for.
00:17:19.000Pop stars who have you ever seen that they switch?
00:17:23.000Are you saying that there's a sort of a level of sort of fame where we'll tell them now explain it?
00:17:29.000So, some okay, especially more you never heard of this, you know, dissociation identity disorder MPD.
00:17:35.000It's in the old term, it was multiple personality disorder.
00:17:38.000There was a very famous book, Candy Jones was a pinup model who got used by intelligence because she had multiple personalities.
00:17:46.000She'd go into black states and not remember who she was when they.
00:17:51.000And so they could use her for spying purposes.
00:17:54.000And it's a very famous story, Candy Jones, and you can read the books on it.
00:17:58.000So the manipulation of pop stars in particular seems to be a very common thing.
00:18:04.000And that's why often the main way that people started waking up to the Illuminati agenda was through looking at the music videos of the 2010s.
00:18:14.000Because remember, that's when the Jay Z's and others started going out with the rock, they called it rock, but it's the Illuminati pyramid.
00:18:21.000And putting all the symbols into the mainstream music videos for people, and people started to say, Wait a minute, the Illuminati, the Masons, the various imagery that you're putting in, the satanic imagery that you're putting in, we're starting to see now what you're doing to us.
00:18:36.000And there was an awakening that started taking place in 2010s, thanks to YouTube actually making those videos much more accessible.
00:18:42.000And the comments, all of a sudden, people can comment and reflect back and go, I see what you're doing with the programming here, the Sex Kitten programming.
00:18:50.000So, I don't know, the Andy documentary when Katie goes into her.
00:18:53.000Her kitten mode, and she starts talking like a little kid.
00:18:56.000And I said, Ah, that looks to me like MPD, or she's flipped into an altered state.
00:19:04.000Sean's talking about a documentary that when I was younger, a filmmaker called Ondi Timoner made a documentary about me, which I always think is good because I am me.
00:19:16.000And I always think someone should make more documentaries about me, validate my existence, justify it in some way.
00:19:24.000Well, anyway, while that was being made, I was married to Katy Perry and she did an interview with Ondi during it.
00:19:32.000Now, I didn't like making that documentary, isn't that?
00:19:35.000Because now the only people that have worked with me are Beloved Jake and Nikki over there.
00:19:39.000I don't really like any of the mechanics or machinery of making content, really.
00:19:46.000I only want to be in the flow of total spontaneity always.
00:19:50.000I think I've only become a professional person because what else do you do with it?
00:19:55.000You know, like, look at you, because of the conditions of your birth and your circumstances, it's pretty natural and understandable that you're going to filmmaking.
00:20:02.000And it's very touching, actually, to sort of hear you talk about your dad's level of success.
00:20:06.000But I do wonder now that we live in this sort of fractured and fragmented culture.
00:20:10.000We don't have a master-dominated culture in the same way as a result of the technology that you described.
00:20:15.000It's interactive, even if that interaction is just a YouTube video and the comment.
00:20:19.000News media is moving in a way that I think was unprecedented and not entirely predicted.
00:20:25.000One of the obvious consequences, it's only relevant because it's happening right now, is that political figures can't sustain the power of reputation for as long as they once could.
00:20:36.000In my country, there's a huge turnover of prime ministers, and I think that's a result of social media.
00:20:41.000That quite quickly people go, This guy's full of shit, and they're annihilated.
00:20:45.000Even if they're a sort of, what do I want to say, a fated and approved political figure, like Keir Starmer was, like the next guy Andy Burnham is, like Rishi Sunak was.
00:20:57.000Whatever you think about Donald Trump, I don't think they wanted that guy to be president.
00:21:02.000Whatever you think about the Iran war and what's happened since he's been in office, he was definitely an anomaly.
00:21:10.000Feel about the culture is, you know, as Terrence McKenna famously said, and you'll surely be aware, the culture is not your friend.
00:21:17.000The culture is an operating system to ensure you get information they want you to have and that information is promoted, and you do not get information that they don't want you to have.
00:21:27.000The problem is that as mass media has gained pace, someone like Oliver Stone actually was, I suppose, a groundbreaking figure as he operated in the popular space and went from platoon to Jeff K. Like he started to push it a bit.
00:21:40.000You know, platoon, like Vietnam, criticism of Vietnam was sort of.
00:21:47.000Like, this war was a mistake, you know, and he narrativized that sort of beautifully in that film.
00:21:51.000But when it gets to the point of JFK, before the internet, to sort of read about, hold on a minute, that's impossible that he died in that way, you'd have to read some pretty weird and esoteric material from non sanctioned academics.
00:22:04.000Now, since, like, to you, you alluded to the idea that I would have insights, and indeed I do, and these are them.
00:22:10.000And this is a painful thing to admit in some ways.
00:22:13.000If you're successful in the culture, it means.
00:22:18.000Now, I reckon and I'm sure that at points it's as explicit as you're literally being engaged by and paid by government or deep state or whatever is the right idiom officials in a way that in plain sight and publicly and obviously films like Top Gun or any military film or films about the CIA are usually granted access to equipment and material and locations that they wouldn't otherwise get as long as they give a favourable purview of,
00:22:46.000for example, the American military or relevant agency.
00:22:48.000So that's a really clear example of it.
00:22:50.000But in a more diffuse way, and this is sort of similar to the earlier part of our conversation where I was saying, in general, I believe in supernatural entities and paranormal occurrences, but when someone presents me with, like, well, what about that then?
00:23:25.000People don't like being hit with it actually in the moment when they're doing it, right?
00:23:29.000So, anyway, what I'd say is that my experience of being a participant in the culture I can recognize in hindsight was because my persona happened to be useful in exhibiting and demonstrating a set of traits that the culture likes to prize vanity, self involvement, womanizing, promiscuity, hedonism, but ultimately a kind of a redeemed individualism.
00:23:53.000I don't mean redeemed in Christ, I mean redeemed like, oh, this guy used to be a drug addict.
00:23:57.000No, he doesn't take drugs, he just has sex all the time, and look at him, he's making movies, and he's a, what do you want to say, a A bad boy, but in a safe way.
00:24:33.000Anyone who sleeps around like loads and loads and loads, like hundreds, thousands, People, if you went, go talk to a thousand people that have had sex with Mick Jagger, like you know, I reckon there will be some interesting findings.
00:24:45.000But the point is, they're not doing it with Mick Jagger.
00:24:49.000Who are they doing it with, and why is the sort of question.
00:24:52.000So, but my point is, Cesar Chavez, after he's passed away, you know, these new allegations coming out, you know, it's after the man's passed on, it's like all of a sudden, you know, the skeletons come out, and you know, how do you defend that, you know, in that case?
00:25:06.000Obviously, Cesar Chavez, the sort of revolutionary leader.
00:25:10.000Socialist, peasant leader, and sort of hero can't defend himself now.
00:25:15.000And it's very, very difficult because, yeah, like as you said before, Sean, Martin Luther King, it seems like was a pretty promiscuous dude.
00:25:24.000Like, you know, a lot of great people, you know, JFK, a lot of great people.
00:25:28.000And this is not sort of a subtle way of trying to say, because I'm pretty fantastic.
00:25:32.000I really put it about a bit, and therefore I should be made King of England.
00:25:36.000I was thinking about the, you know, when you were hosting the VMAs, that timing.
00:25:40.000I mean, you did the joke about the promise ring with the Jonas brothers, and you made fun of George Bush, and that's exactly what they're attacking, you know.
00:25:51.000Yeah, they put you right up there because that was the material that they needed to sort of.
00:25:55.000We need someone sort of cool to go that the Jonas brothers and their purity rings is ridiculous and to sort of criticize George Bush, who at the time.
00:26:46.000Something is moving through, and there's a management and a control system that seems to well, we know that that elevates Lady Gaga.
00:26:55.000And remember, there were all these weird accusations that she was involved with the murder of her friend at the time who died mysteriously.
00:27:03.000And basically, they said, you know, Gaga basically took her soul and took her personality and everything and rose to start him.
00:27:10.000I didn't know, but the one thing that's strange is because I see you to your point about like reading the comments because I know with me, people go, Oh, he's in the Illuminati, he's got that 33 tattoo.
00:27:21.000Like when that first sights happened to me when I was first famous, I thought, well, I know I'm not involved in some weird conspiracy.
00:27:28.000And again, to a lesser degree, but still, with Katie, like, you know, it was only a couple of years really that we were in each other's lives intimately.
00:27:36.000But my experience was, this is, there is no sort of ulterior thing going on.
00:27:43.000This is someone that was from a background where her parents were pastors, that was in the Christian music world, and then became a massive pop star.
00:27:51.000By sort of, in a sense, I would never say denigrating because that doesn't seem fair, but kind of inverting or commenting on the idea of her previous Christian thing.
00:28:18.000You wouldn't even necessarily need to know.
00:28:20.000I was thinking, Sean, about like how many stars.
00:28:24.000Have been through like Disney and Nickelodeon.
00:28:26.000So, kids watch them, like, say, for example, Miley Cyrus, while they're children and they're in the Mickey Mouse Club, like Britney Spears or Christina Aguilera.
00:28:35.000And then five years later, they're all dressed up like sluts and they're in like movie and they're being denigrated and sexualized.
00:28:41.000It's inversion, which is the nature of Satanism.
00:28:44.000It's what Anton LaVey, the founder of the Church of Satan, said up is down, left is right, slavery is freedom.
00:29:02.000Because, like, that's what I've noticed again since coming to Christ is how Christian philosophy and theology can accommodate these ideas.
00:29:11.000Did you have something to say about that?
00:29:13.000Like, that inversion and the perversion of, like, children that you're shown these kids and you celebrate their innocence, even while commodifying their innocence on Disney and Nickelodeon.
00:29:22.000And in the same way that there's a kind of affinity, that there's a sort of a weird connection between, I'm not saying in all cases, but, you know, like, People that have high access to children often turn out to be paedophiles.
00:29:34.000Not often, but perhaps disproportionately, is perhaps a kinder way of saying that.
00:29:37.000Because if you were a paedophile, perhaps you would move into those areas.
00:29:40.000And then you find out that people have worked in kids' entertainment.
00:29:44.000And in a more, I don't know, sort of a more consensual, is a word I would use, way, the whole of Hollywood is about commodifying and objectifying one another.
00:29:53.000But it's actually Nikki's husband who sort of said, you don't have the ability to consent.
00:29:59.000To go to live like that, you should be living in God, like you know, like to your point about Denzel Washington channeling for the movie Glory.
00:30:07.000If you open yourself up, you better be opening yourself up to God, you better be a recipient of grace, you better be broadcasting that.
00:30:14.000Because if you think you are, there is no neutrality, as St. John of the Cross says, the neutrality will be metastasized into evil because that's what this dimension and this plane is controlled and captured by.
00:30:33.000Justin Timberlake, do you think that he similarly was sort of.
00:30:37.000Christina and Miley and Brittany, and he's amongst those.
00:30:43.000Yeah, and he also does seem to be kind of.
00:30:46.000I don't know, because having been in that area, that cultural social area, I'm always reluctant to be critical, but when you see stuff and people are out drunk and all that, it's a pretty desperate and ugly world, isn't it?
00:30:59.000No, I mean, the whole paparazzi trying to.
00:31:02.000A lot of it, by the way, as you know, is.
00:31:04.000Their own PR team is trying to get attention on people because they think all press, you know, all press is good press, right?
00:31:09.000Even bad press can be good press if you're trying to just get out to be reminded that you exist.
00:31:15.000I mean, a lot of this is personal life that shouldn't be dragged out.
00:31:18.000I mean, people's personal life shouldn't, for the most part, be dragged down to the public eye.
00:31:22.000Yeah, but I guess what I've come away from Hollywood thinking is, oh, the function of this is distraction and the propagation of denigratory ideas that are malevolent to the people that receive them.
00:31:38.000And like now, as a father, my attitude towards entertainment and the culture is you are not going to get your identity and your education from that.
00:31:47.000Even as we consume it, I will tell you, look, this is funny, this is pretty good, but these people are bastards.
00:31:53.000I mean, when I catch them, you watch that Disney Channel, mate, there's unnecessary shots of kids' arses.
00:32:29.000So what's the easiest way of depopulation?
00:32:31.000Well, if you can't kill a billion people, if you can get, let's say, 20, 25% of Gen Z to identify as LGBTQ and they don't reproduce, and we already are at a moment now where statistically the United States is like reaching a crescendo.
00:32:47.000We're not, I think our population is not on the incline for the first.
00:32:50.000Time in the last few years, you've seen that we've pretty much stagnated.
00:32:54.000So, if you can get 20-25% of the population to stop reproducing, that's going to be a population collapse in the next 20 years.
00:33:02.000The big challenge, I suppose, and I'm struck by this in some ways when I watched the documentary One to One.
00:33:08.000It was a film about John Lennon and Yoko Ono and their early times in Greenwich Village.
00:33:13.000It was very striking that the cultural war that we seem to be participating in now has been going on for a long while.
00:33:19.000It made me think that the whole counterculture could have been a sort of a CIA op.
00:33:23.000i.e., Abbie Hoffman and all of those sort of civil rights activists had high ideals and compassion but lacked a kind of plain vision.
00:33:32.000Meanwhile, the Christian folk that surrounded Nixon seemed to lack the kind of authentic connection to God that is a requirement, it would seem, to bringing about real and meaningful change.
00:33:43.000So, like you said, the satanic principle is one of inversion.
00:33:47.000It seems to me that the playing field, the battlefield, has become quite clear now.
00:33:51.000The technology that could be used to create centralized authoritarianism could be inverted.
00:33:55.000To create decentralization and incredible freedom, that we are in a spiritual war and we're in an incredible moment in that spiritual war.
00:34:03.000And I think, I suppose, you know, each of us must know what part of the anatomy we are and what part of the body we are and what our job is.
00:34:11.000So, content creation, while it might take on a different inflection and the machine might not operate in a way that it's going to create anomalous creators that make a platoon or a JFK, you know, but even if they do, that's a forebear and foreshadowing of their inevitable, you know, your father was.
00:34:29.000You know, ridiculed and attacked and diminished to ensure that there was no sort of critical tipping point where those stories became so popular.
00:34:36.000Therefore, I thought, well, if they did that to JFK, that means never trust the government again.
00:34:41.000If they did that during 9 11, never trust the government again.
00:34:45.000If that's the truth about COVID, or even if 10% of it's true about COVID, you can never trust the government again.
00:34:50.000We're always sort of held back from that threshold.
00:34:52.000So I think our role and job, Sean, becomes to make content that I think makes accessible to a lot of people these kind of ideas.
00:35:01.000And the responsibility that comes with it, I suppose, is.
00:35:03.000Making sure we don't seem crazy, and I don't do a very good job of that.
00:35:07.000I think my job has been, especially since I started with Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura, which I co-hosted that show, all the way through my Buzzsaw podcast that went on to work.
00:35:48.000I mean, the point is that there is more awareness and more conversation being had on these topics that were taboo, you know, when I was a kid.
00:35:58.000So I think we've already done a good job of shifting it collectively.
00:36:01.000You know, some of us have been more like pathfinders than others, but at least like we've been able to see in our lifetime the shift.
00:36:09.000As far as creating content, I think I'm more interested in telling stories that, um, Empower and uplift.
00:36:18.000I'm more inspired by the films of the 80s and before that, let's say like the 80s and prior, because those were the films that I grew up watching and they had a certain spirit to them that was adventurous.
00:36:31.000I mean, I think that's what's missing in this age.
00:36:34.000First, we had the cynicism of the 90s that came into the pessimism of the 2000s, the war on terror decade, I would call it.
00:36:42.000The 2010s were kind of a befuddling time.
00:36:45.000We were hoping for the end of the age in 2012 to shift us into something, right?
00:36:52.000And I think gradually we're getting there.
00:36:54.000So I really hope that with whatever we create, we can hopefully inspire and uplift the human heart and the human soul and remind people of our sovereignty as beings on this earth who are not dependent on a government, which is why America is so beautiful because the American Constitution is premised on the Declaration, which is basically saying God endows us with these rights and we.
00:37:18.000The people endowed the government with its powers, not vice versa.
00:37:22.000The only country in the world that can say that every other country is basically a king who is divinely appointed and gives the people a Magna Carta and says, You can have these rights and you can have this land and you can have this title.
00:38:27.000Sway has been a great contributor today.
00:38:29.000In spite of her hat that at various points got into shot, she's been a wonderful contributor.
00:38:35.000In fact, I'd like to thank the whole audience today Timmy and Sharon, who work here at Soho House, Josh and Mertz, who filmed it, even Tim, who looked at his phone and then sort of tried to pretend it was funny.
00:42:50.000Although I'm quite squeamish, and my daughters have got pet rabbits, and I don't even really like touching them much.
00:42:55.000I don't like to feel their little bodies under the skin, and I don't like that they've got no pads and that their claw goes straight into their arms.
00:43:01.000So maybe I'm not ready for a gator, is what I'm saying.
00:44:21.000Going there then because I just thought I couldn't get hurt, so I would just go and it would be fun and scary.
00:44:25.000But if I can get possessed, we were shooting when we were shooting the film.
00:44:30.000So we were doing an actual feature film, we were shooting in real mental, abandoned mental hospitals.
00:44:37.000And even our actress, who was just in one of the hospital scenes, all of a sudden she started laughing uncontrollably.
00:44:45.000And yeah, we kept it in the movie, but like she just went into this hysterical laughter for like 30 seconds or 45 seconds, and then she slowly came out of it.
00:45:47.000So, while literally while I was questioning Sean about, look, come on, how do we know that you've not staged it and that you didn't put that laughter noise?
00:45:55.000Like, I'd get one of my mates to sort of play a tape or to do it downstairs.
00:45:58.000And while I was doing that, I was sort of like, you know, the camera went wrong.
00:46:03.000Do you know, like, I mean, am I explaining it right this time?
00:46:31.000The only conclusion we can draw from all this supernatural activity is that you should buy my book, How to Become a Christian, in seven days, available now.
00:46:43.000And I think we're going to make things together that will permeate the mainstream.
00:46:47.000Because after, hopefully, if it's God's will for me to be acquitted for these various charges that I didn't do any of, then I'd like to, after that, I want to focus on making, I really want to find ways of having this conversation.
00:46:59.000You know, the question I asked you that was one of the very long ones where I went, how are we going to make content that's going to reach as many people as possible while not being exclusive?
00:47:06.000So, people that are like being lifelong Christians and members of churches are like, no, they get it and they're being respectful.
00:47:11.000Or then people that are like, Jesus, I'm not having that.
00:47:15.000That's that bullshit they were telling me at school.
00:47:16.000Or people that are seekers and stuff all go, oh, no, that's the truth.
00:47:21.000Because, in a way, that's what someone said, someone else said this to me and I've just remembered it.
00:47:24.000They said that the apostles were content creators.
00:48:18.000Hey, remember me and my wife Laura every weekend make this podcast.
00:48:26.000You can listen to it wherever you listen to podcasts or you can enjoy it here on Rumble.
00:48:30.000It's difficult to explain, but here is a section to give you an idea of what we talk about.
00:48:43.000The reason I picked up the Bible then is because the book of Isaiah is full of like, you unfaithful, like, he's like, is an expression of God's anger.
00:48:50.000Like, and that was really great what you gave our daughters.
00:48:52.000How do you think God would feel like not being acknowledged like that?
00:48:58.000And how it sort of says is, Hear me, heaven.
00:49:31.000Your whole head is injured, your whole heart afflicted from the sole of your foot to the top of your head.
00:49:35.000There is no soundness, only wounds and bruises and open sores.
00:49:39.000Like, you know, how would, like, it was a brilliant instinct you had to say, how does God feel when you do not acknowledge and Praise the creator of all the universe.
00:49:48.000You look up at these stars, you look at the glory of nature, you see the patterns and rhythms that are available, you feel the love that you have for one another.
00:49:57.000Why don't you start saying, well, actually, a molecular reaction and evolutionary biology suggests that in tribes, reciprocal altruism means that for the cohesion of the tribe, if you reduce everything to anthropology and sociology and psychology, you are deliberately and worshipfully and as devout as any mad moolah declaring your crazy faith is truer than the one true God.
00:50:48.000Because what they ultimately, I won't break it down in every small morsel, but what I'll say is that what I gave them was, I hope.
00:50:56.000I got them to write their own structure for prayer that starts with the opening of, you know, good morning, God, thanking him for the day, for praising him, for thanking him for three things.
00:51:15.000I said, thank him for three things, three small things.
00:51:20.000And I didn't, I said, you're not allowed to use commercial, what did I say?
00:51:26.000You're not allowed to use like commercial things like, oh, thanks for that.
00:53:26.000We've got our higher aims and money these days.
00:53:29.000There's a few things that I wanted to touch on.
00:53:32.000One is the telepathy tapes that my teacher, Jamie Winship, mentioned the other day.
00:53:39.000The reason I'm interested in this is the telepathy tapes, I know I said that weird, but I'm just simply not going to go back and correct it.
00:53:51.000Tapes are like autistic kids that were presumed because of their incommunicativeness to have nothing to say.
00:53:58.000Actually, when equipped with the correct tech, so props to technology, there revealed that they had these rich inner lives and that they are meeting in this sort of transcendent realm on a hill and they're encountering Christ there.
00:54:11.000We'll watch these telepathy tapes, we haven't yet.
00:54:14.000Let us know in the comments and chat what you think about it.
00:54:17.000I find this very interesting because it's It's very similar to what I just said.
00:54:20.000Where there is nothingness, we assume, where there is a void that we may not be able to read, we assume nothingness, but it might be rich and redolent and alive with incredible culture.
00:54:30.000Kind of like the colonizing assumptions of nations that romped around the world.
00:55:20.000And when one looks at it through a scriptural lens, one finds the absolute.
00:55:25.000This is because there is an absolute universal principle underlying all things.
00:55:30.000I am having the interesting experience of simultaneously reading this Jung biography by Frank McLinn while doing a Joe Dispenza meditation, which was bought by our friends, some friends of ours very kindly bought that for us, while also, as always, praying and reading scripture.
00:55:50.000That were brought together by the two references Jamie made one to the telepathy tapes, which we should watch, Laura, because I think it's like these autistic kids, they're like, when they're interviewed, they're having weird mystical experiences in there.
00:56:04.000In many cases, some believe, let me know in the comments and chat, because of things like vaccine injury.
00:56:09.000So when you're trying to understand something that might be abstract and supernatural, like a war between good and evil and how it plays out, consider these things centralized global power, consider two lies, consider deception, consider anti life.
00:56:27.000Consider something that poses as good.
00:56:31.000Like when a media, which is supposed to give you information, lies to you.
00:56:34.000When pharmaceutical companies that are supposed to make you well issue medicines, not always.
00:56:40.000This is not a blanket statement, but think in particular about the COVID era.
00:56:47.000It was a window, it was a lens because it was a power grab.
00:56:49.000It was an attempt to centralize power, to pollute, to control population, to generate infertility.
00:56:55.000So many extraordinary things happened in that moment.
00:56:57.000Let me know what you think about that in the comments and chat.
00:57:00.000And, you know, one of the things that's a protector against that is if you have a higher calling, if your king is not the king of a nation, but the king of all creation, then you can't be controlled by a government.
00:57:11.000You will do what that government says as long as it doesn't breach the principles of your God King.
00:57:15.000You'll go, yeah, of course, if you want us to do this, no problem.
00:57:17.000Yeah, we'll drive the speed limit, whatever.
00:57:19.000But if they start saying, yeah, now we want you to, if you start to see diabolical intentions that they want you to worship Mammon, if they want you to spend all of your time locked into pornography, if they deny certain forms of pornography, I'm not suggesting extreme pornography, but notice the prevalence of pornography in our culture and pornographizing images.
00:57:39.000And notice too that the idea that everything comes from chaos and will return to chaos suggests that there is no innate.
00:57:45.000Or inherent moral order, do what thou will, shall be the whole of the law.
00:57:49.000So, this indication that these vaccine injured potentially children that's what some of the parents believe, any event that these vaccine injured children have been saved somehow, what the devil intended for bad, the Lord uses for good, are having prophetic insights and communication.
00:58:04.000That really, another key spiritual principle is revealed that there is a benevolent, invisible realm accessible within you.
00:58:13.000You can interface with it, call it God, call it the quantum field if you want to.
00:58:17.000Call it the source, an accessible potentiality that loves you and cares about you, but requires your participation.
00:58:24.000If you are not in order, in harmony, in symphony with it, he can't reach you.
00:59:11.000I read something the other day about him and I think it said, it came up saying, oh, it was like one of those brief, like Daniel Johnson, because the documentary is called The Devil and Daniel Johnson.
00:59:39.000And then, you know, but his stuff, like whether it's the drawings or the lyrics to the songs, the poems, obviously there's a lot of sadness in it all.
00:59:50.000But it's quite interesting what you said earlier about the telepathy tapes being a really rich inner world.
00:59:55.000And he's a good example of someone with a lot of extreme mental health.
00:59:59.000There's no question that mental illness has many manifestations and expressions, some of which are very troubling and negative and awful.
01:00:05.000And I certainly wouldn't be blithe or glib.
01:00:06.000But another thing one might say about mental illness, or at least distortions or anomalies in mental behaviour, is that it means that you are not subject to the patterns of this world.
01:00:17.000An autistic person or a genius, someone outside, someone who's so immune and inured against the patterns.
01:00:26.000The grip of this world that they can receive the flow and the grace, they can receive that atemporal mystic magnificence, particularly if trained and disciplined.
01:00:36.000This is why I believe so many mentally ill people seem to express archetypal conditions, have archetypal expressions, a continuity.
01:00:44.000And I think Dana Johnson is a great example that he was so not in the world that he was like the recipient of simple, childlike understanding.
01:00:55.000Like that song, Monkey in a Zoo, I'm thinking of now, is like he's understood oh, we've been chained.