00:00:25.000As you know, I'm in a trial right now, an actual trial, which I can't talk about because that's contempt of court.
00:00:34.000And if there is such a thing as truth and such a thing as justice, and human beings are capable in participating in it, it should be done as best as possible.
00:02:50.000Also, no built in sat nav, don't want a built in sat nav, don't want it, you know, being able to record how long I've been driving for, where I've gone.
00:03:02.000Absolutely not, which is what all these new cars do.
00:03:04.000Imagine back in the days of lockdown when you were only allowed out of your house for one hour.
00:03:15.000Yeah, don't you crave those days when you could just turn over a television by literally clicking something or when you could understand your own car?
00:03:24.000Ah, hearken ye back to the yesteryear of men out mending their cars in the street, the sound of lawnmowers.
00:03:34.000We have voluntarily webbed ourselves into satanic systems.
00:03:37.000Not to say that they're necessarily fundamentally bad.
00:03:39.000Of course, they could be utilized beautifully and brilliantly, but that doesn't seem to be the way that it's going.
00:03:45.000You're going to have a lot more time for leisure activities like mending motor vehicles and mowing the lawn because it turns out that the elites that dominate society no longer need a serf class for labor or bureaucratic administration.
00:04:02.000Pretty soon, they're going to come up with a reason to execute you.
00:04:04.000But in the meantime, they might placate you with our universal basic income and other things that they could switch off when you're disobedient.
00:05:17.000So, how do you spot the cage before the door locks?
00:05:20.000You have to break the conditioning that keeps the masses blind.
00:05:25.000Okay, so on the show today, I'll be talking to Greg Pye, who's one of those Christians that has an advanced. Perspective on Christianity.
00:05:31.000What I mean to say is, without changing scripture, interpreting it contemporarily.
00:05:37.000So it makes sense in a world where you're not dealing with a kind of, I don't know, a version of Satan that's tempting you to do some weird sacrifice with a chicken or something.
00:05:47.000We're talking about getting your head glommed on to a system that wants your attention and consciousness continually bewildered and distracted.
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00:06:03.000Why did your grandmother keep cash under the mattress?
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00:07:51.000There is an extraordinary message in what God has given me to create.
00:07:57.000And I know you understand it thoroughly.
00:07:59.000And I think the audience is probably getting interested, with or without me, in the topics of this framework.
00:08:10.000What I've noticed, particularly since the show, Is that the world?
00:08:16.000You know, the old adage, the more things change, the more they stay the same.
00:08:21.000You know, it feels like really bad times.
00:08:25.000But I always tell everybody the only thing that's really changed is something that I put my finger on way back when I was young, in the 1970s.
00:08:33.000I got my hands on a book called Future Shock by Alvin Toffler.
00:08:39.000And that book started my trajectory on sort of the alternative medicine to the world.
00:08:47.000But I was very curious and I was very skeptical, even as a young child.
00:08:52.000What that book talked about was essentially man's ability to handle the quickening, the compression was going to be the difference driven by noise, media, technology, and obviously the enemy's rage.
00:09:13.000And it seems like I always mark to market COVID.
00:09:17.000As being somewhat of an awakening, but ironically, a lot of people, you know, they sort of saw it, they see it, but then still, you know, the world has a way of always the pendulum coming back to the center and sort of normalizing the abnormal.
00:09:37.000I think, you know, as Christians, which you and I are and a great deal of your audience, we have a job to do.
00:09:46.000And that job, Is I don't think being done really well, except for a certain group of people like yourself, who speaks to more than Christians.
00:10:54.000As a Christian, I'm not separated from everybody else except by the blood of Jesus Christ.
00:11:01.000So I have brothers and sisters in Christ, and I have brothers and sisters that are not in Christ.
00:11:06.000They're what we call our neighbors, who I have to love.
00:11:10.000That is the big command to love thy neighbor.
00:11:14.000And I don't see enough of that coming through the media.
00:11:18.000So, what I would say, Russ, to answer directly to your question, is since our podcast, I've become more intent.
00:11:25.000On what I call the bridge and the tunnel of voice of the heart, in reaching the unreached, reaching the rich Christians and getting them, you know, just naturally fired up for Christ, just getting them forget politics, forget different factions of religion.
00:12:54.000Well, then you've got to give up everything you own and follow me.
00:13:00.000And the young man was sad because he had a lot of stuff.
00:13:05.000And then he says to the disciples directly after, the famous, and I'm going to make the bold claim that I've just worked out what that.
00:13:15.000That peculiar conundrum means it's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter heaven.
00:13:24.000I don't think it was passed through, I think it's thread a needle.
00:13:28.000A camel couldn't thread a needle because a camel doesn't have hands, it's got those, it says like an undulate.
00:13:34.000So it'd be hard for a camel to get with its hands a piece of thread and put it in through the eye of a needle.
00:13:40.000A camel would never be able to do that.
00:13:43.000And so the distinction is, whilst the camel might do very, very well in a desert, it might be able to store water.
00:13:49.000In its body, it can never transcend interdimensionally into a focused task.
00:13:56.000It came to me this idea when I was doing a yoga position, and I swear to God, I didn't notice the connection called the camel, where you lean back and open your spine up.
00:14:07.000And what I was focusing on is the breath.
00:14:09.000When you open your heart, when you do open heart surgery, when your heart is opened involuntarily but necessarily for your survival, you've got to bring your attention to something.
00:14:21.000And probably the best thing to bring your attention to is Christ.
00:14:26.000But that can be abstract unless you're having a personal experience of Christ.
00:14:34.000Now, what I mean is that your breath, breath by breath, can bring you closer to Him.
00:14:41.000In the same level of attention that you require when threading a needle, bring your attention to your breath.
00:14:48.000And then outside of you, things will happen.
00:14:51.000You will arrive at work, you will have a legal call.
00:14:55.000You will have to make decisions in traffic.
00:14:58.000You will notice the body language and movements of every single person in the room.
00:15:02.000You will notice whether or not people are making noise or not.
00:15:06.000You will notice people's level of engagement.
00:15:08.000You will notice whether they're in yesterday or tomorrow.
00:16:38.000If we're going to try to make Christianity relevant, and I suppose that's what we're doing, then we have to perhaps explain that complex idea.
00:16:47.000What took place transactionally, ceremonially, ritualistically through the cross?
00:16:56.000Rene Girard, the French philosopher and theologian, believes it somehow brings to an end the scapegoat mechanism that's the anthropologically accepted solution for growing cultures.
00:17:28.000I mean, Jesus, you only need to look at children doing that, forgive me, yours, to see that that is what happens, the way that the desired object is the object of the other.
00:17:39.000He says eventually and inevitably it leads to conflict.
00:17:42.000The resolution of that conflict is usually achieved with the scapegoat mechanism, which is referred to in the Old Testament, but through all pagan ritualistic sacrificial power structures, the scapegoat mechanism, whether it's contemporary adrenochrome child sacrifice, power elevation, or human sacrifice, or animal sacrifice, there's a requirement for sacrifice, there's a requirement for scapegoating.
00:18:06.000Christ nullifies, reverses, and concludes the scapegoat mechanism by being.
00:18:15.000Palpably, evidently, and absolutely pure and innocent and whole, and being maximally condemned.
00:18:22.000Those two principles, maximum condemnation, maximum innocence, coming together.
00:18:28.000It must have some sort of metaphysical, measurable impact.
00:18:34.000It's not just a poem, it's doing something energetically, but it's very difficult, not only difficult, impossible, I think, to explain.
00:18:45.000Linguistically and verbally, the same way that it's actually impossible linguistically and verbally, right, if you ask me to explain how the table I'm looking at is mostly space or how in quantum entanglement an electron can be here, there, both, and neither all at the same time in a super state of potentiality.
00:19:05.000This idea that you alluded to you talked about the compression, you talked about the quickening, you talked about the bridge.
00:19:10.000All these ideas are we have to, well, like it says in there, transcend the world.
00:19:15.000Conform not to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.
00:19:24.000You can't ever identify glom on to a single experience.
00:19:28.000And we sort of know that, I think, because the transcendent is so often accessed through pleasure overload.
00:19:34.000You know, I've dealt a lot with the ecstatic and even the joyful, but I'm not talking just about practicality here and empiricism, but they don't work.
00:19:47.000Sustain through you know pipes in either end, one pipe at the lips and another at your butthole.
00:19:53.000You can't sustain levels of pleasure that are akin to recognizing the hopelessness, the fundamental hopelessness of sin, the fundamental hopelessness of living outside of the energy system that you were created to be a part of.
00:20:09.000So, for that idea, yeah, go ahead, I'm sorry.
00:20:16.000So, that idea of transformation, I would argue, is not a destination as it was for Jesus.
00:20:28.000For us, it's a process that doesn't complete until we are one with Him.
00:20:35.000So, if you believe that, I don't know how you could believe anything else, because, and I do believe that other people do believe that the contrary, but if you can believe that the transformative process is a process without a destination, it does two things.
00:20:52.000Number one, it brings us closer to what I call gardenism, to how we were originally designed.
00:21:01.000And it also brings us closer to faithful reconciliation to the Father.
00:21:06.000We can never be the perfect son, right?
00:22:24.000That is distance created between the act of marriage and the intention of marriage, the biblical act of marriage and what it means.
00:22:34.000And what it actually can be in the world.
00:22:37.000So, the further we go, further we disconnect from the things that we want or pursue, the less accountability, the less feedback, the more leverage.
00:22:46.000I use another example of if you lend somebody money, like a neighbor, you give them $50, you know where he lives, there's less distance.
00:22:57.000So, you can count on getting paid back.
00:23:00.000But what if you lend him that $50 and then he lends it to a second cousin who lives in a motorhome?
00:23:05.000More distance, less accountability, less feedback.
00:23:14.000That is how the enemy of this world takes us further away from who we are our identity, our family, the things we want to pursue, our purpose.
00:23:25.000Extraction, layers, and extraction is how they move us.
00:23:28.000Now, on the other end, the pursuit of truth, the further we get from the enemy, the further we get from the voice of the world, the closer we get to less noise, less manipulation.
00:23:42.000So, this is a very interesting mathematical or geometrical design that I think is the process.
00:23:51.000I say this is the undergird of the process of transformation.
00:23:55.000Further away from the noise, further away from the enemy, closer to what the garden might have looked like, and closer to who we were created to be, eliminating extraction, greater connection, not an agreement between two people that are getting married, but rather a bond, a yoking, not a parking ticket that I go to pay in another municipality that's from a meter that was built by some company that I go to a court in another municipality and I don't know.
00:24:26.000And by the way, I should never have gotten the tickets in the first place.
00:25:21.000Sometimes, like that first and foremost, sometimes more like, you know, we've seen when my kid suffers, I sometimes think, wow, would you kind of voluntarily take it?
00:28:10.000And one time at an AA meeting, oh gosh, sorry, a 12 step meeting, one time at a 12 step meeting, I'm there with him and like a bunch of my friends who were very sort of cool.
00:28:21.000From, like, my I sponsor a bunch of guys, and they're very cool young guys.
00:28:26.000And I get Mick to talk to them, and like, Mick does what I call a very vanilla chair a vanilla chair, you know, at least it starts vanilla.
00:28:34.000What I mean is he's talking about the problem of alcoholism and how alcohol, like, how it escalates.
00:28:39.000I'm like, I'm not interested in this crap.
00:28:41.000I want to know about attachment, how alcohol is a good metaphor for attachment to false reality.
00:28:48.000How, if you can synthesize different inner states, that's that's a very Intimate, note the word, form of false idolatry.
00:28:56.000You can construct a constellation of false deities neurologically with synapses.
00:29:52.000And then, like, and like, um, And then, anyway, so, anyway, so, I look around at them, right, while Mick's doing what, in my judgment, my judgment is like vanilla, sort of share, and they're all like sort of transfixed.
00:30:11.000Then, as he sort of goes on talking, he talks about the death of his wife when his wife died, and like how, like, sort of, and I'm like, sort of, and I see other people feeling the emotions, right?
00:30:22.000Then he goes, now when I, this is a bit that sort of really stays with me.
00:30:25.000He goes, Now, when I walk in the woods with my dog Spike, I don't look at the trees.
00:31:30.000If we can be Simon and Sirene for a moment, if we can be Simon and Sirene, if we can hold the cross for a moment, if we can be Veronica, if we can mop his face for a second, if we can be in intimacy with him in that suffering, through that suffering, then we're not here watching World of Bay movies and jerking off.
00:31:47.000Yeah, Russ, the word of the day, of the year, of the month, of the century, of the lifetime is suffering.
00:32:30.000And this is an interesting point because most people come to Christ when they are suffering.
00:32:36.000But I say in my book, there's only two kinds of people out there.
00:32:41.000There are the ones that are suffering and are wearing it on their sleeve, they're suffering financially, they're oppressed, they're suffering from the systems of society.
00:32:51.000It's obvious, and they wear it on their sleeve.
00:32:54.000And then there's everybody else that's suffering and don't know it yet.
00:32:57.000And I always say about them if you don't know you have the wound, you're not going to go looking for the knife.
00:33:06.000We cannot become, we cannot form a humanity, a creation that God originally created us as, unless we can all agree that this world is not for us.
00:33:19.000That's the common denominator under every living.
00:33:24.000Organism that has a mouth and whether they can use it or not.
00:33:30.000And this is the thing once you have, once you're able to talk to somebody, so here's something interesting.
00:33:38.000A couple of weeks ago, a guy came to me by the pool in our area and he said, Hey, I heard about your book and it sounds like it's really good.
00:34:13.000So I really don't see the book helping me.
00:34:16.000And I thought to myself, What a narrow perspective of humanity.
00:34:20.000What a bubble that is for that person.
00:34:24.000And that individual, that profile is more common than you'd think.
00:34:30.000So everyone living in In the church and outside the church that are not at least suffering by the hand of Satan are so far from suffering, even from what the apostles sacrificed, being hung upside down on a cross.
00:34:44.000They're so far removed from that possibility.
00:34:47.000And we have to understand that suffering is a part of this life here, and we have to be mad at it.
00:35:24.000So while we're holding this bag, he teases us with possibility and with these very ethereal, you know, ambitions like, oh, you know, I want to.
00:35:36.000Not today, I want to be a popular influencer, or I want to be rich, or I want to go to great school, or whatever.
00:35:42.000And so the suffering is deep, layered down, real layered down.
00:35:47.000And this makes it very, very tragic because we're living in this, you know, democratized suffering.
00:35:55.000Suffering is not democratized, suffering is a single unit that we are all living under.
00:39:29.000Was knocked because it was bad news, and then the influencer market came up.
00:39:33.000Now, influencers have become the mainstream media, so it's just a cycle of magic.
00:39:37.000He's got a remedy for everything, unless you resolve it in yourself.
00:39:42.000So here's how I see it as a Matthew 28 19 endeavor.
00:39:46.000The last commandment that God gave us is to go out, make disciples.
00:39:52.000And it's interesting because if you look at the missionary model, which I think has all of its problems, but if you look at it, the heart of it, it's to go and leave.
00:40:03.000It's like, follow me, it's to leave what's comfortable.
00:40:07.000Go somewhere that's very uncomfortable and share your faith by living among those people.
00:40:13.000Ironically, when you do that, you do it in parts of the world that don't have a lot of infrastructure, that are detached, that are commune.
00:40:20.000So there's kind of a natural consequence to being evangelistic in a very healthy way.
00:40:26.000I'm not talking in a political way or these crazy ideas that people have formed around evangelism.
00:40:33.000I'm talking about in Matthew 28 go and make disciples.
00:40:37.000You are now a witness to who Jesus, what he did in your life.
00:40:46.000I want to close, if I may, just one last idea.
00:40:49.000I was at a dinner many years ago with, and I was sitting at a table with Mutar Kent, who was the chairman of Coca Cola at the time.
00:40:55.000We were talking, and I told him I was traveling around the world into Africa and I was starting businesses with people in partnership with, you know, expats and locals so that they could create scalable businesses that could provide for them, and yada, yada, yada.
00:41:16.000I wonder if this is something we could help you with.
00:41:18.000And I came home and I thought to myself, why are we sending Christians or any other whatever we're sending to different parts of the world when we have people already in these parts of the world who just need to become more connected to their faith?
00:41:37.000And so if they're connected to their faith, I think our work, Russ, and I'll close on this, is to make, is to provide people better frameworks around what this world is doing to them.
00:41:49.000How it's detaching them, how it's taking them from that center position, and what they can do to bring themselves back to something much more palatable.
00:42:16.000Lynn and I want to, you know, we'll, I'll, I'll, I don't want to.
00:42:21.000I know you're going to be dealing with a lot of things, but I will text you and you let me know when's a good time and where we should be, and we'll come out.
00:45:28.000I'm not making a comment on Tommy Robinson because I know other than we know that we're going to turn up and it's going to be insane.
00:45:35.000We have been warned that it's going to be very, very busy.
00:45:39.000Oh, you've been warned that it's busy, but I know because of my long interest in Tommy Robinson, which precedes most people.
00:45:46.000I don't want to sound all I was into Radiohead before you've even heard of it.
00:45:50.000I was into the protest before you were at Solomon Crown Court.
00:45:54.000I've actually been into Jesus for a lot longer than anyone else.
00:45:58.000No, no, we were told, weren't we advised just in as much as that it's.
00:46:02.000In a court capacity, they did say that, but anyone who knows Tommy Robinson knows that Tommy Robinson going to court is an event and whether he's going to be.
00:46:26.000So as soon as I see, when you're coming around the corner, you see the name on the street, I immediately start to think, okay, this is it now.
00:46:41.000It's going to be interesting because there's going to be a lot of police presence and there's going to be a lot of people and a lot of protesters, I think, is what it's going to be.
00:46:55.000You're doing incredibly well in this entire process.
00:46:59.000Therefore, so Ephesians chapter 6, 13.
00:47:03.000Therefore, and this is, I think, advice for all of us that feel like we're in the midst of spiritual warfare or battle.
00:47:10.000Therefore, put on the full armor of God.
00:47:12.000So that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground.
00:47:16.000And after you've done everything to stand, stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled round your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace.
00:47:31.000In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.
00:47:37.000Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
00:47:47.000I think I had someone, perhaps our dear beloved friend Jay John, taught me through it that yes, it was the helmet of salvation, that's stopping your mind go crazy.
00:47:55.000Too much thinking, too much self obsession.
00:48:00.000When you think yourself and your own feelings and preferences as a kind of personal religion, which the culture is very adept at making us do, you are trapped, therefore, in sin.
00:48:09.000You put the helmet of salvation on, it helps you with your thoughts.
00:48:18.000And I remember that sometimes whilst in court, not wishing to talk about the particularities of the trial, as I sit in that aquarium dock, I think, I didn't give myself my life.
00:50:09.000But did you know when we prayed with Peggy and Mabes today, and I said that the crucifixion and resurrection, I goes, what do you think it gave us?
00:50:16.000And one of them said power, another one said energy.
00:51:08.000It takes you beyond the limited service available to you.
00:51:11.000Speaking of myself, when you are trapped in sin.
00:51:14.000So, also very beautiful, isn't it, my darling, to consider that even in doing this, if we are able to do our humble service of talking about how, with Jesus Christ, even doing things that might otherwise be considered shameful and hurtful, walking with Him, you realize nothing you're doing is that important.
00:51:32.000And you know from your own life, your own struggles, your own suffering, and we are in prayer for you as much as we know that you are in prayer for us because we receive and we feel these prayers.
00:52:21.000But the feeling of the people we're surrounded by and the sort of feeling of being carried, it doesn't mean it's not difficult.
00:52:30.000It doesn't mean there aren't moments of terror, you know, challenge.
00:52:35.000But it does mean you, whether it's what you've just read, whether it is the helmet of salvation and the breastplate of righteousness, whether we're putting on that.
00:52:45.000Armoury or armour, would you say armour or armoury?
00:53:32.000I mean, there's something come, there's dark, it's darkness because you know that you hear the same things they hear, but you know, that's not what they're reporting.
00:53:40.000So, for example, and that could be applied to anything.
00:55:35.000What I love about Alcoholics Anonymous is Alcoholics Anonymous and other 12 step anonymous groups that I may or may not belong to are like there's no single authority in there.
00:55:45.000The only authority is the authority of the group.
00:55:49.000And as a group, you have to recognize people are fair and decent and beautiful.
00:55:55.000In fact, the empire is predicated on the idea that we are broken and ruined.
00:55:59.000And some might say rather fatigued, not fatigued, I want to say acerbically, for people do, that Christianity is founded on just the very same principle before.
00:56:09.000But Christianity isn't founded on the principle of the fall.
00:56:14.000And Christianity is salvation and it's God coming down.
00:56:17.000And the narrative that means, and by this narrative, I mean my faith, is that this narrative explains the truth of our condition, is that we are made for oneness with God, but we turn away from oneness with God because free will affords us to be in self should we choose to.
00:56:33.000We can elevate self to the highest priority.
00:56:38.000Therefore, it doesn't matter if in elevating yourself you identify with.
00:56:43.000It could be that you're addicted to chocolate.
00:56:45.000It could be that you think your job as a manager of a fast food restaurant means that you can shout at people.
00:56:54.000Anything you do that is predicated upon self, the principle that yourself is the highest idea.
00:56:58.000And I think this can happen in neutrality.
00:57:00.000I mean, if you look at the tool just off the 12 steps, you'll note that the very method that can be used for drug dependency can be used for alcohol dependency, but perhaps more surprisingly, behavioral problems around sex or food.
00:57:15.000This means that this problem of self is not the nexus, but the loci, the locus of the problem.
00:57:26.000If you solve the problem of self, and as a follower of Christ, you believe that by giving your life to Him, by saying, all right, I can't do this anymore, it might start with a diffuse and amorphous God.
00:57:38.000But in the end, the cross will bring it all together that you are a recipient of grace.
00:57:53.000Let me tell you, message of the cross, let us know in the comments and chat if I've not exhausted the possibilities of what the cross could represent in that rant.
00:57:59.000Anyway, I'm just saying that the media could be, maybe it's in its own way favorable.