Stay Free - Russel Brand - September 15, 2025


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Russell Brown talks about the murder of Charlie Kirk, and the new political and cultural space we're all now in, and what it means for us to be a part of it, and how it affects us all.

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00:08:17.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand action Russell.
00:08:22.000 Trying to bring real journalism to the American people.
00:08:25.000 Hello, there, you awakening wonders.
00:08:27.000 Thanks for joining us today for Stay Free with Russell Brown.
00:08:29.000 We're having some complications over on Rumble because JD Vance sat in for the sadly departed Charlie Kirk on Charlie Kirk's posthumous show.
00:08:44.000 I feel like most people in this space are feeling a little bit of bewilderment at this point.
00:08:51.000 It's difficult not to, isn't it?
00:08:54.000 Because it's since the murder of Charlie Kirk on Thursday, God rest his eternal Soul, there's been extreme reactions, extreme feelings, and even just here in the office where we are in the Florida panhandle, there's like a 14-year-old kid out there, a little dear old Gabe who's got cerebral palsy, who's really like impacted and affected and frustrated by it.
00:09:18.000 I realize that since the murder of Charlie Kirk, a different Charlie Kirk has emerged, Charlie Kirk as an emblem and token of rhetoric and argument for both sides.
00:09:30.000 People will vie for how the item, the object of Charlie Kirk is subsequently utilized through hagiography, eulogy, condemnation and criticism.
00:09:42.000 And I suppose, in a way, that's no different than any other news event.
00:09:47.000 And when we were doing the show last Wednesday, which was the last live show we did prior to Charlie Kirk's murder, I was feeling a kind of sense of I don't want to say fatigue because I'm not tired, but a kind of exhaustion that I periodically feel in this space.
00:10:06.000 This is prior to Charlie Kirk's murder, that just I think is if I can try and explain it this way.
00:10:13.000 When something seismic happens, an example of that would be the China and Russia meeting and the potential implications of new near-peer alliances that are opposed to America and Western interests, you might say.
00:10:35.000 Impossible to analyze it.
00:10:37.000 And when cultural matters occur, whether they're insignificant events like cracker barrel changed its logo, or somewhat more significant events like someone is murdered, there's such a fetid attempt to utilize it that it becomes, I think if you're a participant, and in a way we are all participants now, that's what social media has done.
00:11:02.000 You know, here comes everyone, being the sort of book that perhaps best outlined and defined that means that now we've all got a voice, and that there's aspects of us all having a voice that's tremendous.
00:11:12.000 It means you can't anymore ignore significant movements, whether that's conservatism or the kind of resurgent nationalism in the UK that's been celebrated, I would say largely over the weekend.
00:11:25.000 We'll be talking to you about that in addition to matters related to Charlie Kirk.
00:11:29.000 It it means that everyone now has a voice in a different way, but also as the people that are very keen to legitimise censorship in this space will tell you, a lot of information garners momentum prior to due process. 0.89
00:11:47.000 You know, like how you might your first reaction if someone cuts you up in traffic might be angry and visceral, like, I'll kill you.
00:11:54.000 But then you might be, oh, hang on a minute, this isn't not a life and death situation, that's just a human being like me in that vehicle.
00:12:00.000 We can resolve this in conversation.
00:12:02.000 Well, I feel like we're being kind of sustained at that height now.
00:12:08.000 So we're gonna we're gonna talk about Charlie Kirk, obviously.
00:12:11.000 We're gonna talk about this new political and cultural space that we're all participants in.
00:12:16.000 And I'm gonna start by talking about something that is fascinating but a bit grim and a bit bleak.
00:12:24.000 So we're gonna have to be careful, okay.
00:12:26.000 Um, and it's mostly I want to talk about some of the reactions to Charlie Kirk's murder from the left, notably and specifically Bob Villain or Bobby Villain, which is a kind of you know when like a band is named after the main person, sometimes I can't tell.
00:12:42.000 Firstly, I don't think it's fair.
00:12:44.000 Like, I wouldn't want to be in a band if someone else in the band had named the whole band, like the Dave Matthews Five.
00:12:50.000 Like, I'm I'm out.
00:12:51.000 Like if the band's got to be a composite of all of us, of all of our names, of all of our identity.
00:12:56.000 Anyway, that band Bobby Villain or Bob Vill, I can't remember one's the name, one's the singer.
00:13:00.000 I think the van's called Bob Villain, and the lead singer's called Bobby Villain, who at Glastonbury got into a kind of fracar for saying, like, he you want your country back and talking about Israel.
00:13:11.000 He has like I I sort of kind of couldn't believe what I was watching.
00:13:16.000 He said, I think he said, like, rest in peace, Charlie Kirk, you deserved it, and like, well, this is what you get.
00:13:23.000 Kind.
00:13:24.000 And I was firstly really shocked and disgusted.
00:13:28.000 Then I sort of got a few successive waves of like I remember reading last time that in spite of appearing like a kind of umwhat sexy and aggressive uh garage musician, he's I think he went with like stage school and stuff like that.
00:13:45.000 So a lot of it's performant, it's performative.
00:13:48.000 And then I remembered that on September the 12th, 2001, I dressed up as Osama bin Laden and went to work that day when I was an MTV presenter.
00:14:00.000 And what was I thinking when I did that?
00:14:03.000 So I'm trying to hold in my mind my own tendency towards shock, prankster, inappropriate, foolish conduct myself.
00:14:17.000 Let's have a little look at some of the comments and responses from the left and from the right, and see if we can see if there is anything of benefit to be taken and learned from the murder of Charlie Kirk last week that doesn't really just generate more tension, more sadness, more pain, because that that can't be the net result of this, can it?
00:14:43.000 Firstly, let's have a look at um this uh Bob Villain video.
00:14:48.000 Okay, do um what numbers that um is doesn't have a number on the article?
00:15:01.000 That's right, yeah.
00:15:05.000 So it might...
00:15:06.000 Thanks, man. 1.00
00:15:08.000 I want to dedicate this next one to an absolute piece of shit of a human being. 0.99
00:15:14.000 I'm doing it. 1.00
00:15:17.000 The pronouns was if you take shit, you will get banned. 1.00
00:15:31.000 I'm gonna say peace, Charlie. 1.00
00:15:34.000 Do I like a piece of shit? 1.00
00:15:36.000 I'm gonna say peace, Charlie. 1.00
00:15:40.000 Oh shit. 0.98
00:15:42.000 So in a way, we I'm just chatting to sort of a war veteran outside before who was saying one of the main problems that we have now is people are reposting content that's antagonizing in spaces where people will have a visceral and negative response to it. 0.99
00:16:00.000 So I was kind of reluctant even to play that.
00:16:04.000 But you know, there's something familiar about that to me, like the kind of person I was when I was in my 20s and uh an agitator and an agent provocateur.
00:16:14.000 And I wonder this, I wonder if in part Charlie Kirk taking his turning point talks to public places in order to literally create debate and to have conversations not with people who automatically agree with you,
00:16:33.000 but people who vehemently disagree with you and oppose you, as in a sense created particip it uh has uh contributed to a heightening sense of tension, even though I would agree with the idea that if you're to diffuse these kind of tensions,
00:16:52.000 the solution is to have conversations with people that disagree with you to not objectify, remember what I said earlier that Charlie Kirk has become an object of both the left and right, to not objectify your opponents because see the temptation after that.
00:17:06.000 Imagine if you're a person who really loves Charlie Kirk or knew Charlie Kirk or have a bunch of things in common with Charlie Kirk or saw Charlie as somebody who was speaking for you and articulating things for you, a bit of a champion of your views, and look at some of the things that people I really love and admire and respect, like JD Vance and um Robert Kennedy in particular, have said about Charlie, and of course I'm like really impacted by my own personal um personal connection to Charlie Kirk.
00:17:30.000 The fact that he was someone that was really when I've been in trouble and being attacked, Charlie Kirk's person that's stuck up for me and defended me, and like that's one less person in the world that's gonna do that now.
00:17:41.000 So I've like a sort of a personal reaction to it, of course, which is a very low note in this vast symphony of incredible reactions.
00:17:49.000 But when I see um, you know, I was thinking, am I able to watch Bobby Villain there sort of saying stuff that's deliberately provocative and rude and kind of Mean spirited and delighting in the sort of uh death of Charlie Kirk there and be compassionate.
00:18:07.000 And I thought, yeah, I think I probably can.
00:18:10.000 I think I can look at him and not empathize because we know that's a word that Charlie Kirk detested, and it's a very psychiatric word.
00:18:17.000 But look at Bobby Villain and think, yeah, I remember what it's like to act kind of crazy to get attention.
00:18:26.000 I remember what it's like to sort of risk saying that in order to get a reaction.
00:18:34.000 And actually, Charlie Kirk of all people would be totally down to have had a chat with him, wouldn't he?
00:18:40.000 He would have been totally down to sit across a table and say, what is it that you believe in particular about Palestine and the genocide in in Gaza?
00:18:53.000 What is it that you particularly want to say about that?
00:18:56.000 Like Charlie Kirk didn't shy away from those kind of conversations.
00:19:00.000 And I reckon that Charlie Kirk would have the spiritual maturity and fortitude to approach even that with forgiveness.
00:19:08.000 And like what I'll say as well, is that a lot of um people I've seen on the left that are delighting in Charlie Kirk's murder, I I think it it feels kind of performative and showy.
00:19:24.000 Let me put it this way, I don't know what goes on in Bobby Villains' mind, or anyone that's um using this moment as a kind of uh uh for leverage for their own social media, and believe me, there's points where I think I don't even want to talk about it anymore because I don't want to be a participant in this, even in a kind of somewhat mild and analytical way.
00:19:45.000 But what I can tell you firsthand is when I was like 25 and working on MTV and like 9-11 happened, which obviously now as an adult, I look at that and think, my god, what a sort of a epochal, tragic, extraordinary event.
00:20:01.000 How does that affect the sort of survivors, people that knew victims of 9-11, first responders, people that were in a New York, people that were alive at that time, people that have relatives in the military.
00:20:13.000 What set of interests are encompassed by those who genuinely grieve 9-11?
00:20:21.000 And the next day after that, I went to MTV with like a fake beard on, a combat jacket, a tea tail wrapped around my head, nativity play style, and said I was dressed as Osmar bin Laden.
00:20:33.000 I remember my motivation was a kind of excitement.
00:20:36.000 I was excited that the world was changing, that something extraordinary was happening.
00:20:41.000 I'd read a little bit about Al Qaeda and Osmar bin Laden.
00:20:45.000 I wouldn't have yet seen Alex Jones saying that a group called Al Qaeda are gonna blow up the Twin Towers, even though he had five years before talked about that publicly.
00:20:55.000 I sort of saw it as an indication that the world was changing, and indeed the world did change.
00:21:02.000 Iraq was invaded, Afghanistan was invaded, the Patriot Act was introduced, uh, the internet went from being a place of uh i intercommunication and openness to a place of surveillance and control.
00:21:18.000 Google realized that their business was not a search engine but an advertising platform that would corral together information and pass it out to advertisers.
00:21:26.000 The world changed radically in my country, Tony Blair participated in the war against terror.
00:21:33.000 Um what I realize now is that an event in the news will never be allowed to be neutral.
00:21:39.000 People will find a way to deploy it and utilize it.
00:21:42.000 People will uh advertise their affection for Charlie Kirk, uh, strengthen their feelings of grief, utilise his death to tell particular stories, or they will condemn him and attack him.
00:21:56.000 So I've all like watched people that are very much off the left talking about Charlie Kirk's death, people on the right, I'm like you, it's one like all of us know this is something, isn't it?
00:22:04.000 This is a moment.
00:22:05.000 Because try and think of what's a comparable event.
00:22:09.000 There isn't one.
00:22:10.000 You might go, oh, what about the attempted shooting of uh Trump in Butler because it's a right-wing figure?
00:22:16.000 Or you might probably like uh Robert Kennedy did, you might have to reach back to the political assassinations of the 1960s to find something that resonates in this way.
00:22:27.000 But the truth is that even though Charlie Kirk's views were really Traditional conservative and Christian, he's a modern phenomena as well, because he's a social media activist, and that's a pretty new phenomena.
00:22:40.000 That's obviously a tech contingent upon technology and new and independent media.
00:22:47.000 Whatever it is that motivated the person that murdered him, you know, do you feel like that's the most significant thing?
00:22:56.000 Because some people say, Well, what do you expect with all of this?
00:22:58.000 This will be a sort of a common trope now and a somewhat justifiable one.
00:23:03.000 With the constant condemnation of people of the right and the conflation of right-wing ideology with Nazis, isn't it clear that people would feel like that it was legitimate? 0.92
00:23:13.000 Indeed, all of us play around, don't we, with the idea of would it be right to go back in time and kill baby Hitler? 0.88
00:23:19.000 There's like a sort of a philosophical uh cliche, and like most of us, you watching this and me now are sort of within the margins of reason and normality on any given day, even though I recognise my own flexibility and vulnerability, and if you're honest, you too, on your worst days, are fragile and have like moments of lashing vicissitude where you might reach out in anger.
00:23:42.000 Well, you know, what I suppose we're creating is environments where it becomes more and more permissible and likely that there will be events like this.
00:23:50.000 That's probably the biggest concern is the normalization of hateful vitriol as an ordinary method of communication.
00:23:58.000 And have you ever sent a text to someone?
00:24:01.000 Or have you ever put a post in the comments?
00:24:03.000 I mean, there's posts in the comments, right?
00:24:05.000 Now I mean, I don't look at them sometimes.
00:24:07.000 He wasn't murder Russell, he's the death was staged for us to have a reaction.
00:24:11.000 I would raise a that's pretty good.
00:24:14.000 I would raise baby Hitler to be more strict with Jews. 1.00
00:24:17.000 I mean, look, it's sometimes you need a little bit of uh comedy to let the air out of some of this stuff.
00:24:22.000 But what I'm saying is is online we're all participating in creating communicative environments where extreme that what passes as extreme is normal.
00:24:31.000 Think of something like think of pornography.
00:24:34.000 You know, like you know, when I was a kid, analog pornography was hard won and hard come by forgive the pun.
00:24:41.000 Now pornography is abundant, and not only is it more abundantly available, it's more extreme.
00:24:46.000 Like when I was a kid, first looking at pornography, I weren't looking at you know the kind of stuff that I understand is available now.
00:24:54.000 Thankfully, I've been freed from the need to look at pornography.
00:24:57.000 So, do you think that something comparable's happened around rhetoric?
00:25:01.000 And do you think that's yes, carry on with this porn analogy actually?
00:25:04.000 This is pretty good.
00:25:05.000 Do you think that the availability and extremeness of porn affects people's actual sexuality in life?
00:25:11.000 It does, doesn't it?
00:25:12.000 Like kids can't get it up, I understand now, like young kids who are just beginning to be sexually active and are pursuing it as the culture dictates promiscuous lifestyles we're screwing around, is normal.
00:25:25.000 They're they're their understanding of sex and sexuality has been informed by porn.
00:25:30.000 Well, now people's political rhetoric has been informed by online rhetoric, and I'm a participant in that.
00:25:38.000 You know, since I've been sort of quite young, not that long after even doing that Osamar Bin Laden stunt, I guess you would call it, sort of dressing up like that. 0.71
00:25:47.000 Um, that's when I felt like we need a revolution.
00:25:52.000 A revolution's what's required.
00:25:53.000 Now, like, even using language like that is um, you know, it's incendiary.
00:26:00.000 Revolution, generally speaking, implies violence.
00:26:03.000 You have to put a prefix in front of it, like velvet revolution or peaceful revolution to uh to dilute or undermine the idea that revolution is embedded uh with violence, or excuse me, violence is embedded within revolution.
00:26:20.000 I feel like this is going to be from now on, things are gonna radicalize on both sides, unless some people deliberately and actively participate in creating respect and decent, good-hearted dialectic.
00:26:42.000 And like that begins here, actually.
00:26:44.000 That begins here.
00:26:46.000 You know, you can't be disgusted, appalled and kind of broken and confused by Charlie Kirk's assassination, and then angry and vitriolic about people that respond to it with delight.
00:27:05.000 In fact, I think the test is the test is this.
00:27:09.000 Can you, if you're a person who admired Charlie Kirk or loved him even be kind and compassionate when people are condemnatory?
00:27:21.000 I wonder if you can.
00:27:23.000 I wonder if you can.
00:27:25.000 Do you think it's done for attention or hatred, Russell?
00:27:28.000 Jim FC, in the case of the man there, that uh in the case of the Bobby villain, my guess would be it's a kind of attention seeking.
00:27:36.000 Like, indeed, one might argue, even though if you watch images coming out of uh Gaza and then you run the normal test of is this legitimate?
00:27:45.000 Is that legitimate?
00:27:46.000 Is that real?
00:27:47.000 Is that real?
00:27:47.000 How's this being used?
00:27:48.000 How's that's been exploited?
00:27:49.000 Of course you feel deep compassion and an uh a um a desperation for peace, a kind of desperation for peace in that region.
00:27:58.000 But I feel like if you're um it it once you start to mobilize that issue for your own personal gain.
00:28:05.000 I know look, can I tell you something about social media?
00:28:07.000 What's interesting about working in social media?
00:28:09.000 You start in there and you're authentic, you're just talking about what you actually care about.
00:28:12.000 So, like for me, I've been doing this for a long time now, because you know I was doing this in the UK talking about British politics, talked a lot about Israel, talked a lot about the very mostly British politics because I was living in Britain.
00:28:25.000 That was kind of different then because it weren't a viable business model.
00:28:28.000 Once it started become viable for me was in COVID, and in COVID, like I was like, oh my god, loads of people are watching these videos on it was YouTube then, that was before Rumble.
00:28:37.000 Um, but people were watching it, so I was like, oh, right, let's just keep making this stuff.
00:28:44.000 And you all of us are like you're familiar with B. F. Skinner, the behavioralist, all of us in a way are rats in a maze, responding to rewards and the kind of videos that do well and the kind of thumbnails that do well, and the kind of titles that do well, you do more of them,
00:28:59.000 and then you start to notice that these subjects and these views are more successful than these subjects and these views, and before you even made a decision, just in the sort of incentivized pursuit of success, which by the way is not a hideous motivation, it's not like in the pursuit of screwing around, which is a pretty dumb motivation that I've pursued for a lot of my life, you find that you've actually been moulded and shaped by your culture and your conditions in ways that you sort of might not have consciously done if you'd had a better resource.
00:29:30.000 That's I suppose why I strongly believe that each of us individually, uh as I'll speak for myself, but I think this is important for the culture as well, have to return to God because when you accept Christ, it puts you, or obviously in my case me, in a position of submission, not in act not passive in action, but I'm not in charge anymore of what I do.
00:29:59.000 It would be real disingenuous of me to suggest that I don't sort of try to claim control and authorship of my own life pretty regularly, but I've submitted to Christ and I know what Christ means.
00:30:09.000 Christ means self-sacrifice, he means kindness and compassion, forgiveness and the highest good.
00:30:14.000 Charlie Kirk was a Christian and a pretty serious Christian.
00:30:17.000 He theologically extremely well informed and devout.
00:30:21.000 He obviously operated in a space where the alliance of Christianity and republicanism was um explored and expressed and communicated.
00:30:37.000 Like that's what he was about.
00:30:38.000 Christian principles is what undergirds the constitution, these things are inextricable. 1.00
00:30:45.000 I am like, you know, I'm an Englishman living in your country, the United States of America, and I'm a patriot to the kingdom of Jesus Christ.
00:30:56.000 That's easy for me to do because I don't live in the country I'm from anymore, and in the country I'm from, I experienced I've experienced such serious attacks from the culture, some of which is warranted actually because of my own selfishness and greed and foolishness and hedonism, that I can't, it sort of breaks my heart even to watch the football team I grew up watching, to tell you the truth.
00:31:18.000 You know, I can't love West Ham the way I loved West Ham before because I've sort of been attacked and drowned in the culture.
00:31:26.000 And the thing that I've emerged with from whether you want to see it as a drowning or a desert, that's of great value.
00:31:34.000 Is the culture is not real.
00:31:36.000 The culture has been captured.
00:31:38.000 The culture is controlled by the evil one.
00:31:41.000 This is obviously a Christian idea, but it's pretty clear too. 0.79
00:31:44.000 Why does the culture want you to eat bad food?
00:31:47.000 Why does the culture want you to argue about Charlie Kirk's death?
00:31:50.000 Why does the culture delight in amplifying exchanges of hate?
00:31:56.000 Because it is evil.
00:31:58.000 I'm not suggesting that any particular individual is evil, whether that's Keir Starmer or Donald Trump or Joe Biden or Macron or Trudeau, or like it's sort of we're all kind of like light bulbs plugged into a circuitry that fills us all with dark ideas, unless we find another source.
00:32:18.000 And in my experience and my particular experience, that source can only be accessed when you're broken, when you have been broken.
00:32:26.000 And I think the Charlie Kirk murder may contribute to a lot of people's brokenness.
00:32:32.000 And in fact, I hope it does, because it's the brokenness that's required.
00:32:36.000 If this generates nothing but exploitation and doubling down, with some people saying, Well, you know, violence isn't ever justified, but let's face it, Charlie Kirk was pretty despicable and he was a provocateur and an agitator, and in some ways he got what he deserved.
00:32:49.000 Any version of that, I don't know how you can have that view and and hold in your mind the idea that his wife and kids were there, like his wife and kids were there.
00:32:58.000 It's like such a reset, it's such a reset of your reality.
00:33:02.000 It's such an etch a sketch of your reality.
00:33:05.000 Or if you're like, well, because this has happened, we have to annihilate free speech, and this legitimizes further sanctions and controls and shutting people down, and people on the left should be ashamed of themselves.
00:33:15.000 Like, that's not the right idea either. 0.98
00:33:19.000 If you're like, this is a no more bullshit time, this is a no more bullshit time. 0.96
00:33:23.000 There's no question, but that no more bullshit is not let's enhance hate and attacks on others. 0.99
00:33:28.000 That no more bullshit is what am I gonna give up in myself now? 0.98
00:33:33.000 Am I gonna give up financial security? 0.99
00:33:36.000 Am I gonna give up wanting attention? 0.92
00:33:39.000 Am I gonna give up caring that I'm getting older and that I'm gonna die and that you're gonna die?
00:33:45.000 What is it that I've got to give up here?
00:33:47.000 What have I got to give up?
00:33:48.000 Have I got to give up doing this show?
00:33:51.000 It like what am I what have I got to give up?
00:33:54.000 And I reckon watch yourself.
00:33:57.000 Watch if what you want from this is control or love.
00:34:02.000 I reckon this might be important to you.
00:34:04.000 Control is where you see yourself as a kind of personal sovereign of your own energy system.
00:34:11.000 Love is where you see yourself in a as a participant in a greater energy system.
00:34:17.000 I tried to keep that vague so that it was somewhat inviting.
00:34:20.000 But the love is the instruction of God, is the nature of God, is the nature of Christ.
00:34:27.000 And real love means sacrifice.
00:34:30.000 That's what it means.
00:34:31.000 It means sacrifice and obedience, and all these terms eventually collapse.
00:34:35.000 It means feel the gift of life that's within you, the gift of your breath, the gift of your body, all of these things that you didn't give yourself, and be willing to act in the kind of grace that you have been the recipient of.
00:34:49.000 What does that look like?
00:34:50.000 That looks like I suppose praying for the soul of Charlie Kirk and the widow of Charlie Kirk and the children of Charlie Kirk, praying for Bob Villain and for his followers or fans or however you describe it,
00:35:06.000 and ensuring ensuring that we are not in spite of our colours, tribe or livery, just participants in polarization that will lead to further hate.
00:35:22.000 That we are not that we at least are neutralized and stepping out of it, but we're not doing that.
00:35:29.000 That we don't allow polar vitriol to determine normal discourse.
00:35:36.000 Remember back then in 9-11 when I was dressing up as Osamar bin Laden, someone said to me, it's like there's extreme Muslims on one side that want to blow shit up, and then there's extreme Christians, you know, because the rhetoric of George W. Bush and Tony Blair was Christian rhetoric, and that they were kind of, whether they know it or not, they were reaching to and relying on the language of Christianity for their war, and part of their empire is dependent upon that.
00:36:04.000 The extremists on both sides are the we have to step away from the extremist on both sides. 0.72
00:36:11.000 And really that we have to probably acknowledge that that extremism is within us.
00:36:15.000 But that's just what I think.
00:36:16.000 Let me know what you think in the comment and chat.
00:36:19.000 If you're watching us on YouTube, we'll be with you for a little bit longer, but then we'll be exclusively available on Rumble.
00:36:26.000 Geordie, yes, there will be cake.
00:36:28.000 There will be cake at the end.
00:36:30.000 Yes, we're gonna uh bring some cake.
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00:37:41.000 That's what they're primarily focused on.
00:37:44.000 Over the past, this is out of um Modernity.
00:37:47.000 If you're watching us anywhere other than Rumble, come over to Rumble.
00:37:50.000 Although I'm aware that Charlie Kirk shows on it right now, innit with RFK.
00:37:54.000 Is it is it streaming now, Isaac?
00:37:57.000 Over the past several years.
00:37:59.000 I'm just reading this from Modernity.
00:38:00.000 If it is just let me know.
00:38:03.000 Over the past several years, democratic leaders and their allies in the legacy media have relentlessly labelled conservative figures like Charlie Kirk as fascists, creating a toxic atmosphere that dehumanizes political opponents and implicitly justifies extreme actions against them.
00:38:18.000 Implicitly.
00:38:19.000 Implicitly. 0.96
00:38:20.000 I suppose when you're saying someone's a yeah, in a way, when you say someone's fascist or evil, you're in a way getting towards uh you know, like they're like rats or they're like insects.
00:38:33.000 I mean, I don't know, like dehumanizing language or language where you say that a certain group are evil, that's the beginning of legitimising extreme responses.
00:38:46.000 Kamala Harris, for instance, repeatedly called Donald Trump a fascist during her abysmal 2024 campaign, a term echoed by commentators on MSNBC and CNN who painted Kirk and his turning point USA organization as a threat to democracy.
00:39:00.000 People, there is no democracy.
00:39:02.000 There is no democracy.
00:39:03.000 There are sets of institutions that remain unassailable and unavailable to the directives of public will, regardless of which political power party is in power.
00:39:14.000 When people say democracy, they don't mean the ballot box and the will of the people, they mean these very institutions that are protected and unassailable.
00:39:26.000 Make use Red Curtain because I'm um bit I need um zero distraction.
00:39:30.000 Thanks, man.
00:39:32.000 This rhetoric amplified through social media cesspits such as Reddit Blue Sky.
00:39:38.000 Is that Blue Sky or Blue Ski?
00:39:40.000 I've been like uh yeah, I'd call it Blueski. 0.95
00:39:43.000 Portrays conservatives not as ideological rivals but as existential dangers that must be eradicated.
00:39:48.000 In the case of Kirk's assassination, we've now we now have it confirmed that the 22-year-old suspect, Tyler Robinson was found with Antifa literature and had used ammunition inscribed with six scrawlings about Kirk being a fascist, directly tying his motives to the very narratives pushed by leftist outlets.
00:40:06.000 Right now, when we make this content later, I want you to put it together with this, Massey.
00:40:15.000 Okay, so look, here you've heard Tyler Robinson was found with Antifa literature and used ammunition inscribed with six scrolls about Kirk being a fascist.
00:40:25.000 Well uh look at this from Daniel Pinchbeck's substack.
00:40:30.000 Um I want you to find this, these um photographs where they've found Tyler Robinson dressed as Pepe the Frog.
00:40:38.000 Now I've got to show you guys it.
00:40:40.000 I mean, I would say, isn't that just a track suit?
00:40:43.000 I mean, I don't I think that's a sort of a bit of a reach, but in elsewhere in the article it says uh he was described as a far-right groper who grew up in a gun-loving, Trump-loving Mormon family in Utah under the leadership of FBI director Cash Patel, a former extremist podcaster and conspiracy theorist, the FBI flooded their investigation, failing to find the shooter despite many clues.
00:41:07.000 Robinson's father, a minister, figured out it was his son from the photographs caught by security cameras and turned him in.
00:41:12.000 For those who don't know, gropers are an ultra-radicalized group of primarily young white men led by rabid extremist Nick Fuentes, a 28-year-old podcaster who screeches, cackles, and spews contempt like a this is the writer's words, of course, like a tormented goblin. 0.87
00:41:29.000 Notable statements from Fuentes include, I am just like Hitler, being right wing is all about hating women, being racist, being anti-Semitic, and the ever popular your body my choice.
00:41:38.000 Unfortunately, we're seeing the ongoing mainstreaming of hate speech in the US, which ultimately leads to stochastic, I don't know that word, terrorism, vigilante violence, and it may get much worse.
00:41:49.000 So here you have one source saying that um Robinson, the murderer, is uh uh with Tyler Robinson was found with antifa literature and used ammunition inscribed with six scrollings about Kirk being a fascist, and here he is a supporter of Nick Fuentes.
00:42:08.000 Now it I don't know, he can't be both of those things.
00:42:11.000 So which sources are being used by Modernity and which sources are being used here by pinchback.
00:42:17.000 What I reckon you might like, I know I know I do this myself.
00:42:21.000 I do it where you are where I'm more likely to do it is with um where I'm more likely to do it is around British politics.
00:42:28.000 Like when there are stories connected to British politics, say something about Keir Starmer, I'm like, I hope that that's true.
00:42:35.000 And like, why?
00:42:37.000 Why do I think it why do I have a hope about like a negative thing about Keir Starmer being true?
00:42:42.000 I suppose because I it I want my sense that the British government is corrupt and that the British government collude with media, and that we're living in an age of mass establishment tyranny through technocracy, which is you know a cadre of aristocratic experts in control, and technological dictatorship.
00:43:05.000 We're in this formative moment where because of independent media's success and its measurable success in significant things like elections, centralized establishment are maneuvering to control it.
00:43:20.000 Whether that's with alliances with people in independent media, like hang on a minute, we can just use independent media, which it would be say, for example, the Trump MAGA movement recognised that they weren't gonna get good coverage on CNN, CMS, CBS, MSNBC or any of that.
00:43:35.000 So they started to form relationships with various right wing podcasters.
00:43:41.000 That's kind of a sensible strategy and a natural one because people like Bon Gino and Crowder and uh God rest his soul, Charlie Kirk, were natural affiliates and activists.
00:43:54.000 And I know now from reading about it, that Charlie Kirk's connection to the Trump family goes back a long time.
00:43:58.000 But I'm talking about Charlie Kirk as a podcaster and a media operator, and it's understandable that people would seek alliances to broadcast and amplify their message.
00:44:09.000 That's what anyway, don't you say I was saying, wouldn't it be nice if government were doing what they were meant to be doing, which is organizing uh utility and municipality, which by the way can't be done on a scale of 330 million people, it has to be localized and decentralized maximally.
00:44:26.000 If wouldn't it be amazing if media were doing what they were supposed to be doing?
00:44:30.000 Here's the information, you do what you want with it.
00:44:33.000 Wouldn't it be amazing if the judiciary were doing what they were meant to be doing?
00:44:36.000 We'll let's assess this information based on evidence.
00:44:39.000 But don't you know by now that everything has been captured?
00:44:43.000 And if we continue in the way that we have been operating, we're just quarrelling about whether or not your team is in charge of these institutions or the other team.
00:44:54.000 That's just not a good long-term solution.
00:44:59.000 What we Have now as a result of technology is a fractured media space, and that is emphasizing the fractures in political spaces.
00:45:09.000 It's going to continue.
00:45:11.000 It's going to continue.
00:45:13.000 Unless political alliances form that are not about opposition, but are in a sense about making themselves redundant.
00:45:23.000 That have uh the agenda must be to make themselves redundant.
00:45:27.000 Unless and I got just gonna say this plainly, unless the political operatives you're affiliated with are saying we are going to get money out of politics, we're not going to accept donations, we're not going to accept lobbying money.
00:45:41.000 Unless they're saying that, they're going to end up being controlled by the people that make donations and and the people that fund lobbying.
00:45:48.000 Unless then so that's really significant.
00:45:51.000 If that doesn't happen, ultimately, these institutions have to be have to either be decentralized or they're gonna continue to legitimize their own fortification, legitimize centralizing their power.
00:46:05.000 That's happening in my country, the UK.
00:46:08.000 You know, they'll use probably this march to say, oh, look, there's a rise of right-wing fascism.
00:46:13.000 Even actually, the fact that they always put a second prefix or unnecessary adjective in front of right wing.
00:46:20.000 Right wing just used to be a thing.
00:46:22.000 Right wing, left wing.
00:46:23.000 Now it's hard right, far right.
00:46:26.000 Because do you think that the people could break down those terms?
00:46:29.000 What's right wing and what's far right?
00:46:30.000 And what's hard right?
00:46:32.000 What do these things mean?
00:46:33.000 They're just ways of actually perjuring, polluting, and tainting the term itself.
00:46:38.000 Those are particip that those people are participating in the escalation.
00:46:42.000 Where I found myself now is this isn't you're not gonna you know, like the famous Irish joke, I wouldn't start here if I were you.
00:46:50.000 I wouldn't start here if I were you.
00:46:52.000 Ongoing contributions and participation in the political conversation in itself is not gonna resolve it.
00:46:58.000 There has to be an influx and importation of new energy and new power that's not gonna come from you, it's not gonna come from the government, it's not gonna come from the media, it can only come from God.
00:47:09.000 We need to receive a kind of bypass.
00:47:16.000 Let's have a look though at some of the let's have a look to see if it will see what it does for us.
00:47:20.000 Let's have a look at what um the uh some of the left-wing commentary, and then we'll talk about, but we'll talk also about the we'll talk about other what's coming out of the right, also.
00:47:29.000 Let me ask you tonight.
00:47:30.000 Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist?
00:47:32.000 Yes, I do. 1.00
00:47:33.000 This is what kicking the shit out of fascism looks like. 0.99
00:47:39.000 Try to prevent the spread of the lawlessness and the fascist chaos that's been unleashed against us. 1.00
00:47:44.000 So when we say Donald Trump is a fascist, fascism, a huge component of fascism is uniting racism, bigotry, a form of racist nationalism. 0.67
00:47:58.000 This is we are now living in a fascist dictatorship. 0.87
00:48:02.000 We are worried about potential rise of fascism in this country.
00:48:05.000 If we're worried about our democracy falling to an authoritarian and potentially fascist form of government, not only to roll over to Donald Trump's will, but to roll over our democracy and allow him to take over this country as a fascist dictator.
00:48:22.000 When fascism isn't just coming, it's already here. 0.98
00:48:25.000 The former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, Mark Milley said, no one has ever been more dangerous to this country than Donald Trump, and he is a fascist to his core. 0.92
00:48:36.000 Okay, so that's sort of like the priming and branding of the Republican and MAGA movement as fascist. 0.89
00:48:43.000 Some people like really, really truly believe that as well.
00:48:46.000 Um this is interesting.
00:48:48.000 This is Jimmy Kimmel's response to Charlie Kirk's death.
00:48:53.000 Let's see if this is a contribution that's likely to ease or escalate tension.
00:49:00.000 Because like those kind of late-night shows, even though they're in decline generally, they still represent what you might call a media mainstream.
00:49:08.000 We're still trying to wrap our heads around the senseless murder of the popular podcaster and conservative activist Charlie Kirk yesterday, whose death has amplified our anger, our differences.
00:49:19.000 And I've seen a lot of uh extraordinarily vile responses to this from both sides of the political spectrum.
00:49:26.000 Some people are are cheering this, which is something I won't ever understand.
00:49:30.000 we had another school shooting yesterday in Colorado, the hundredth one of the year.
00:49:35.000 And with all these terrible things happening, you would think that our president will at least make an attempt to bring us together, but he didn't.
00:49:42.000 President Obama did.
00:49:43.000 President Biden did, Presidents Bush and Clinton did.
00:49:46.000 President Trump did not.
00:49:47.000 Instead he blamed Democrats for their rhetoric.
00:49:55.000 I suppose, um I suppose I've said what I feel about this now.
00:50:03.000 Charlie Kirk represented a bunch of things.
00:50:05.000 Open discourse.
00:50:07.000 Speaking to people that you disagreed with.
00:50:10.000 Conservatism, Republicanism, Capitalism, and Christianity.
00:50:13.000 You love Jesus.
00:50:15.000 I'll talk more in a video that I'm gonna make later about my connection with him and the conversations I've had with him and his encouragement around Christ.
00:50:26.000 I feel that the aspect of Charlie Kirk's legacy that's of most interest to me is his faith in Jesus.
00:50:36.000 Because I feel that we, in order to not be trapped forever in the static and tension of the culture war and political disputes, we have to transcend.
00:50:47.000 And I believe that there's only one pathway for that.
00:50:50.000 But that's just what I think.
00:50:51.000 Let me know what you think in the comments and chat.
00:50:53.000 We're gonna have a quick message to one of our partners, and then we'll talk about the UK protest that took place on Saturday.
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00:52:46.000 Oh guys, man.
00:52:48.000 Alright, so there was uh protest marches in the UK this weekend.
00:52:53.000 Let's have a look at that.
00:52:55.000 I think it was pretty surprising.
00:52:56.000 I'd like to start with the Trevor Phillips thing.
00:52:59.000 Where is that, mate?
00:53:00.000 Do you know what number that is, Isaac?
00:53:02.000 That was the one that was in the clip chat that was an ex post that we talked about just before.
00:53:07.000 We went live.
00:53:10.000 I think it's uh extra J have the Sir Trevor.
00:53:15.000 That's it.
00:53:15.000 62.
00:53:21.000 Britain is in an unstable state.
00:53:24.000 There are no political parties that represent the majority of people.
00:53:28.000 At the march this weekend to unite the kingdom, there are of course patriotic folk who will be affiliated with the right, who will be condemned as racists for celebrating and campaigning for a degree, a modicum of control in their country.
00:53:43.000 There were also counter-protesters, as is always the case these days, who claim that these folks have no right to protest and that they're well no, they have the right to protest.
00:53:53.000 I'm sure they're not making that claim, but that they're lacking in decency and compassion.
00:53:57.000 We sent um reporters actually there.
00:53:59.000 Mumate Joe, he went to report on the matter.
00:54:03.000 What's interesting about this is that whether it's the people that are affiliated with nationalism and patriotism, or the people that are affiliated with the rights of migrants.
00:54:13.000 And by the way, of course, as a Christian, being compassionate to vulnerable people is well, there's nothing more important that you can be doing, actually, other than loving God.