The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen EP 147 - The American Dream

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00:02:15.540 Pearson, we have got the mayor of New York City laying down the law on Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:02:23.200 There's this big conflict.

00:02:24.960 Netanyahu's got a planned trip to New York when he was on the campaign trail.

00:02:28.960 Mamdani said he would have the prime minister of Israel arrested.

00:02:32.840 President Trump has resisted that.

00:02:34.740 We got this message from the mayor.

00:02:36.160 Take a listen. 0.98

00:02:37.320 Benjamin Netanyahu is a war criminal, the architect of a horrific genocide against the Palestinian people. 0.98

00:02:42.700 He is responsible for the killing of more than 73,000 people, for the maiming of tens 0.96

00:02:49.140 of thousands of children, as those who survive undergo amputation without anesthesia, for

00:02:54.960 the targeting of neonatal hospitals and maternity care centers, denying newborns even the chance

00:03:00.380 to live, for the countless people he starved as he blocked food and humanitarian aid from

00:03:04.780 reaching them, for the gunning down of hundreds of aid workers and journalists.

00:03:08.920 And just last month, the UN confirmed that Palestinian children continue to be deliberately

00:03:14.720 targeted and killed by Israeli armed forces, more than eight months after the so-called

00:03:19.440 ceasefire.

00:03:20.440 All as we, as Americans, pay for the bombs that do the killing.

00:03:24.520 It is clear that we do not have the independent legal authority to enforce this warrant.

00:03:28.420 The federal government, however, does.

00:03:31.160 And I call on them to join the ICC and execute this warrant.

00:03:34.360 And I want to be equally clear.

00:03:36.660 Benjamin Netanyahu is not welcome in New York City.

00:03:40.600 How about that?

00:03:41.800 Pearson, what do you make of it?

00:03:43.700 I mean, there's so much to unwrap in this.

00:03:47.920 I mean, he has a God complex, obviously.

00:03:50.220 He's delusional.

00:03:51.300 The extent of his power that he thinks that he has

00:03:53.620 and the priorities that he has here

00:03:58.280 are just astonishing to me

00:03:59.720 that he would focus on this perceived conflict overseas.

00:04:03.720 um the people of new york didn't elect perceived conflict well obviously there is a conflict but

00:04:10.200 the conflict that he sees happening over there um his his vision of that his version of it um

00:04:17.000 and what do you think he got wrong

00:04:19.040 the the rank anti-semitism i mean he hates jews there's there's an argument to be had about

00:04:28.940 not agreeing with the war and thinking that the war was engaged under false pretenses.

00:04:35.640 You know, there's reasons to disagree with the war, but I think his is an ethnic conflict

00:04:40.280 with the war. 0.98

00:04:40.920 He hates Jews patently. 0.93

00:04:43.060 But what claim did he make that you disagree with? 0.92

00:04:46.540 Because obviously, just a criticism of Netanyahu's tactics in the war is not anti-Semitic.

00:04:52.560 No, it's not, but that's a cover. 0.79

00:04:54.180 You know, he's not just going to come out and say, I hate Jews, so we need to go after 0.97

00:04:56.840 Netanyahu.

00:04:57.420 You know, they have these humanitarian covers for all these causes that they champion.

00:05:04.420 So does everyone who hates Netanyahu hate Jews?

00:05:07.940 No.

00:05:09.120 No, of course not.

00:05:10.800 But he has been explicitly anti-Semitic in the past.

00:05:14.600 And, you know, you can't argue with that from his ties to terrorist groups on down the road.

00:05:22.660 but the thing that shocks me most or that just i just find astonishing is that you know the people

00:05:29.300 of new york didn't elect him to arrest netanyahu they elected him to protect them to keep them safe

00:05:33.820 to keep their city running and he wants to talk about the people that are dying in israel what

00:05:39.520 about the people that are dying on his streets as he tries to dismantle the police department

00:05:43.880 as he ignores people being set on fire on subways you know young girls being stabbed to death by

00:05:50.720 crazy people. How is he protecting them? That is what the people of New York need. They need

00:05:54.880 someone to protect them from that, not from Netanyahu. And even the people on CNN were laughing

00:06:01.500 at him for trying to make this sound legitimate. It's just incredible the scope of power he thinks

00:06:06.580 he has. I've got a different take. I looked at this as a classic example of governing in prose

00:06:17.000 while campaigning in poetry. Zoran Mamdani said during the mayoral debates where he was up there

00:06:23.380 with Cuomo and Eric Adams and Curtis Sliwa that he intended to have Netanyahu arrested. And

00:06:29.700 the kind of boy mayor energy around all of this is if you didn't have the authority to enforce

00:06:36.780 an international criminal court warrant in New York City, why say it in the debate, right? It's

00:06:42.040 a virtue signal. And I think that's what you're going to see from a lot of these democratic

00:06:46.020 socialists. They are going to want to virtue signal to the most extreme position. Now,

00:06:51.120 when it comes to his criticism of Netanyahu, I agree with it in large part. And I don't hate

00:06:55.720 Jewish people or Israel. I think Netanyahu has been a terrible force for the Jewish people and

00:07:01.600 a terrible force for Israel because under Netanyahu's leadership, you've seen bipartisan

00:07:06.300 erosion for what was, I think, a righteous and proper support for Israel's goals when Israel 0.51

00:07:11.160 is acting like a normal country, not a country that is slaughtering children in Gaza, expanding 0.67

00:07:15.820 its Greater Israel Project into Lebanon and baiting the United States into war with Iran.

00:07:19.860 I agree with that. I completely agree. I don't think Netanyahu is a force for good in this world. 1.00

00:07:24.640 And I think that he should be removed from power. I don't think he's led Israel into a greater place

00:07:29.420 for anybody, for the Israelis, for the Iranians, for the Americans. You know, it's hard to argue

00:07:34.160 how anyone's better off because of his leadership. How many world wars has he started at this point?

00:07:40.000 um so yeah no i agree that netanyahu's not great but his motives here are not what they appear on

00:07:48.440 the surface and i think you're probably right that he's virtue signaling i think he probably

00:07:52.180 well he might know he must know that he doesn't have the authority to do this but it sure sounds 0.99

00:07:57.320 good on paper and it's just crazy though that right there are so many jews in new york you know

00:08:03.820 that is the biggest jewish population outside of israel there's over a million jews in new york

00:08:10.440 And I think 60% of them, I think, voted for Cuomo.

00:08:13.700 And astonishingly, I think 30% voted for Mamdani.

00:08:17.980 It's, I mean, I guess you get what you vote for.

00:08:21.120 But polls have shown that the people who did vote for him are afraid of the rising anti-Semitism in the city.

00:08:27.680 And, you know, I have Jewish friends who told me about that.

00:08:32.580 One has a daughter in Boulder, in Boulder, Colorado, where I went to school. 0.98

00:08:36.460 And she was a hardcore lefty when she went in there. 1.00

00:08:38.740 And after all this stuff that's happened in the last two years, she's swishing sides.

00:08:42.840 She said she can't believe how much people hate Jews for all this stuff that's happening in the media.

00:08:48.340 So, yeah, I think that this is an incredible, incredible story. 0.71

00:08:53.840 And I would I'd love to see President Trump Netanyahu and parade him around just to go Mamdani. 0.97

00:09:00.700 And you have no power here. You can talk a big game, but you have no power. 0.99

00:09:04.300 i'd be fine if trump paraded netanyahu right into a jail cell himself frankly uh i i wanted to

00:09:11.880 before we move on i i want to get your perspective on on one point on how this is all playing out in

00:09:16.920 the war i'd have guests come on my program and note that some of the hardliners in israel are

00:09:22.480 saying that they're not taking part in this portion of the u.s campaign against iran and

00:09:27.600 the concern with that is that may they may be planning something of their own that is entirely

00:09:32.820 separate and independent. If Israel believes that this bombing campaign of the United States that

00:09:38.340 is relentless and effective at destroying infrastructure and military material, but

00:09:42.220 not effective at regime change, if they don't think that's enough to send Iran into chaos, 0.73

00:09:47.500 they may use the nuclear weapon we all know they have. I shudder to think that. I would like to 0.93

00:09:53.440 believe that no country would do that again. And so I'm not of that ilk yet, but the argument was

00:09:59.220 made i'd love to know your perspective i mean i hadn't heard that but that is terrifying um and

00:10:04.280 there's no you know iran doesn't have the nuke we we know that um and so that would be a one-sided

00:10:11.520 conflict iran israel could drop it and what would the consequences be is the u.s going to bomb israel

00:10:20.500 i mean how is that going to shake out who's going to hold them accountable for that that's 0.73

00:10:25.460 not that i don't think israel wouldn't do it i mean they they have their pathological hatred

00:10:31.020 of iran and they want to take that region out and they have the greater israel objective

00:10:35.260 so i think they for sure they they from a from a philosophical standpoint they wouldn't have

00:10:40.180 a problem with it but god what would the consequences be what would the fallout be

00:10:44.860 not metaphorically what would it actually be i can't fathom

00:10:48.720 no let's hope we don't get there what do you have next for us so next up i wanted to talk about one

00:10:57.160 of my dear old friends uh anthony fauci the fbi and peter dasik because they made the news and

00:11:04.680 it's just been an incredible story that i feel like kind of got covered up a little bit um yes

00:11:10.820 biden's fbi the headline is that biden's fbi prevented customs and border patrol

00:11:16.440 from searching and questioning Peter Daszak

00:11:18.960 on his return trip from China.

00:11:21.400 So we have Rand Paul, who released federal documents

00:11:24.260 showing the FBI intervened and refused

00:11:26.560 U.S. Customs and Border Patrol

00:11:27.840 from searching and questioning Daszak

00:11:30.180 upon his return trip from China.

00:11:32.200 The documents highlight the NIH had asked Daszak

00:11:35.240 to retrieve the original type specimen

00:11:37.160 used for the Wuhan Institute of Virology

00:11:39.980 for genetic analysis and return it to the U.S.

00:11:42.100 So they wanted him to bring back the virus

00:11:44.180 that he supposedly used

00:11:45.280 for his gain-of-function research that he wasn't doing.

00:11:49.600 The Border Patrol officials planned to question Daszak

00:11:52.520 on his activities in China, his contacts at the virology center,

00:11:56.620 and whether he illegally collected or carried biological samples.

00:12:00.760 They were ready to interview him.

00:12:02.120 They had everything set.

00:12:03.100 They had questions ready.

00:12:03.820 They were going to pick him up.

00:12:05.140 And three days before all this, he was set to come back,

00:12:08.380 the FBI, New York's FBI, locked him down and said,

00:12:11.220 nope, you can't touch him.

00:12:12.960 Let him go. 0.92

00:12:15.280 Dr. Andrew Huff, who worked for DASIC at the EcoHealth Alliance, provided proof to Congress that the COVID virus was created in a Wuhan laboratory. 0.83

00:12:27.300 In 2016, DASIC explained how scientists could create a virus in a Chinese lab, could create a COVID virus to institute a worldwide pandemic. 0.85

00:12:38.640 And then he's the guy at the center of all this.

00:12:40.860 and suddenly he gets shut down on his way back to the United States by the FBI.

00:12:46.760 I mean, it's just, it's incredible.

00:12:49.100 Oh, and remember, Tulsi Gabbard, she's the one who published documents

00:12:51.740 showing that Fauci spent millions of taxpayer dollars funding gain-of-function research.

00:12:57.360 And he officially told the Congress that never happened.

00:12:59.920 So all of this is just astonishing.

00:13:01.260 We have so much evidence, so much proof that these people were just

00:13:05.760 literally mad scientists bent on world domination.

00:13:09.580 and they're getting away with it.

00:13:11.740 Where are the arrests?

00:13:13.200 That's just, I don't understand, Matt.

00:13:15.100 Where are the arrests of these people?

00:13:18.700 Well, Fauci got this auto-penn pardon,

00:13:21.940 and I think he may have been subject to some criminal process in the absence of that.

00:13:27.160 But look, I want to get into the FBI's involvement here, Pearson,

00:13:30.620 because the FBI getting involved in a legitimate border screening of Peter Dosik,

00:13:37.540 it only means one of two things.

00:13:39.580 either Daszak was involved in an ongoing FBI investigation, and that's why they didn't want

00:13:46.640 the investigation harmed, or the FBI was explicitly involved in a cover-up because

00:13:54.220 Daszak was the inside man. He was the guy who was administering the Fauci funds. And you want to see

00:14:01.080 how the mainstream media wrapped their arms around this guy? I remember exactly the night I went on

00:14:06.700 tucker carlson's program and i showcased how the wuhan institute of virology had been subject to

00:14:12.840 these uh the concerns about their safety and their protocols about all of this research was going on

00:14:19.960 there and oh my gosh 60 minutes did this big special that tucker carlson and i were crazy

00:14:25.700 conspiracy theorists that dashik was a hero that was peter dashik who would be the one that would

00:14:30.440 save us one day from global pandemics and we were getting in the way of research and it was all fake

00:14:35.920 and it was all a lie. So there is maybe a legitimate reason if the FBI, and I will give

00:14:42.720 this to Christopher Wray, the FBI before anyone else came out and said this was a lab leak.

00:14:48.320 While you had other entities in government, while you had the White House, while you had Fauci

00:14:54.120 trying to cover for Daszak, the FBI said this was a lab leak. And maybe, just maybe,

00:15:00.120 that FBI investigation was ongoing. I certainly hope that's the case because the alternative

00:15:04.200 that they were literally running cover for a just a crime against humanity is difficult to fathom.

00:15:12.440 I mean, I want to believe that. But honestly, Matt, everything we know about what's happened

00:15:20.040 the last few years, how much the FBI covered up for Biden and all of those people, like specifically

00:15:26.880 all the documents that showed they literally covered up the information they had to protect

00:15:32.260 Biden and his family and come after us, by the way, at OAN. I mean, it's a separate subject,

00:15:37.360 but just showing how corrupt this agency is. If they've had this information,

00:15:43.900 what are they doing with it? You know, if Kash Patel has some big smoking gun, if he has

00:15:49.020 the evidence, why aren't we getting it? I just can't believe they would have this and do nothing

00:15:53.820 with it. None of these people are being held accountable. Yeah, Fauci may have the out-open

00:15:58.180 gold shield, but the other people don't. Well, I would, in Cash's defense, say he's the one who

00:16:07.160 found the burn bags. He's the one who has cleared out the FBI of a lot of the people who were

00:16:12.200 involved in this. And you can say whatever, set whatever rules you want. If you have people like

00:16:16.400 James Comey, Christopher Wray, and their minions at the FBI, it becomes very difficult to get

00:16:21.840 justice under any rules, under any protocols. So I'm not as harsh on the judgment of Cash.

00:16:28.020 I do think we have to get answers about this.

00:16:30.940 We have to know what the FBI knew and when.

00:16:33.940 And if the FBI opens the kimono a little bit and shows us the nature of that process,

00:16:39.480 I think we'll get to the bottom of the depths of the cover-up.

00:16:42.500 But look, even to your point, even if the FBI wasn't involved in the cover-up,

00:16:47.280 a whole heck of a lot of the rest of the government was,

00:16:49.500 and that emanated out of the White House because they didn't care what the cause was.

00:16:53.540 They cared about the effect.

00:16:54.720 And the effect was it increased their levers of control.

00:16:58.300 The most telling moment in the entire COVID experience was when the whip of the House majority at the time, Jim Clyburn, said, we can use this.

00:17:07.340 We can use COVID to accomplish our goals.

00:17:10.700 And I regret to say it was an effective strategy for a time.

00:17:15.300 Yeah, never let a good disaster go to waste.

00:17:17.300 I think that's their motto.

00:17:18.220 um but continuing the theme of our government lying to us and specifically the fbi we have

00:17:28.140 trump's announcement last week about the election security in america or rather lack of security

00:17:35.680 and talking about how um our intelligence agencies specifically senior officials at the cia and the

00:17:44.720 fbi uh withheld his his presidential memos his information to him on a daily basis trying to

00:17:53.120 keep him out in the dark about what was happening with china um the the cia confirmed the chinese

00:18:00.160 government hacked over 220 million files of voter registration data for more than a dozen states in

00:18:05.700 2020 the unveiled documents indicate that china meddled in the race compromising voter files

00:18:10.700 of millions of Americans and senior officials of the CIA and FBI privately expressed reluctance

00:18:16.540 to elevate the intelligence about Chinese hacking to Trump because he could use it to his advantage

00:18:20.860 on the campaign trail. One email among intelligence analysts admitted that they had

00:18:26.240 deliberately massaged the presidential daily briefing to withhold information regarding

00:18:31.480 Chinese activities related to the election. Matt, what do you think about that?

00:18:35.640 treason. It's abject treason that these underlings, these bureaucrats put themselves

00:18:44.200 into the power of the presidency. That's not for them to decide. Nobody elected some, you know,

00:18:50.600 counselor at the CIA or FBI or DNI's office to be able to do this screening. So I think

00:18:58.440 President Trump was correctly indignant about all of this. And, you know, what I saw in that speech

00:19:04.480 was a field general and he was commanding his colonels. He was saying, State Department,

00:19:09.740 I need this out of you. Justice Department, I need this. Homeland Security, this is your part.

00:19:14.340 So he struck me as a guy in full command in the moment giving that speech. But

00:19:19.600 where's the congressional reaction? I am shocked that following that speech, there was not an

00:19:28.320 immediate effort, a task force, a suite of bills brought to the floor. And there are good bills.

00:19:35.840 Kat Kamek of Florida has a really good bill that would limit Chinese influence. There are things 0.99

00:19:41.120 we could put in law so that states that are providing their information about voter rolls

00:19:45.080 are not rewarded for that decision to work against American democracy with the distribution of

00:19:51.780 federal funds. So there are good ideas. And if I were the speaker or the majority leader in the

00:19:58.460 House, I would be saying, OK, we got to we got to drop everything. We got to take what President

00:20:03.980 Trump said and we got to start devising some bipartisan prescriptions for this. You know,

00:20:08.720 Pearson, in Florida, I remember when we were the embarrassment of the country, when we had the

00:20:14.460 hanging chads and the dimpled chads and the pimpled chads. And you know what? Democrats,

00:20:20.340 Democrats made the demand for paper ballots, for a human being marking the ballot, for

00:20:27.840 chain of custody on the ballots, for preservation of those ballots, so they all aren't just

00:20:32.960 wiped away and subject to computer code.

00:20:35.900 Democrats forced that.

00:20:37.600 And you know what we said as Republicans?

00:20:39.380 Those are good ideas.

00:20:41.320 Democrats didn't have power at the time.

00:20:43.200 We had power.

00:20:43.860 But we said, actually, you know what?

00:20:45.300 That's probably good for everybody if we do those things.

00:20:48.140 And so there are ideas here that should bring Republicans and Democrats together.

00:20:53.340 I mean, there have been warnings about our elections that have come from the likes of Elizabeth Warren, the likes of Amy Klobuchar.

00:20:59.860 And I think that there ought to be a patriotic drive to do what the president called us to do.

00:21:07.800 I mean, there should. But you said you were surprised by this.

00:21:11.080 And I just, I mean, are you really, are you really surprised that Congress didn't react to this?

00:21:15.540 Because Trump has had a solution to this problem for the last six months that he's been trying to get past.

00:21:21.780 And Congress, well, Congress has done, you know, their part more or less, you know, not, not enthusiastically, but they've done it.

00:21:29.220 Well, not the Senate.

00:21:29.940 Yeah, but not the Senate.

00:21:31.760 And so you have Republicans that just, they don't really care, man.

00:21:35.200 This is, this is status quo.

00:21:36.780 They want to keep it going.

00:21:37.960 And we've got 190,000 illegals registered to vote in California.

00:21:45.080 And I'm sure that's a low number.

00:21:46.660 I'm sure it's much higher than that.

00:21:48.940 35,000 non-citizens registered.

00:21:51.040 That might just be L.A. County.

00:21:52.460 Oh, yeah.

00:21:53.060 Yeah, one part, like one precinct in L.A. County, you know.

00:21:56.780 15,000 non-citizens in Nevada.

00:21:59.580 14,000 non-citizens registered in Pennsylvania.

00:22:03.220 That's over 278,000 illegal voters have been discovered in state voter rolls.

00:22:07.540 And again, I bet that's small. I bet that's way small. But even if it weren't, 278,000, that's massive. I mean, 2020, what did Trump lose Georgia by? It was like 11,000 votes. What did he lose Arizona by? Like 10,000?

00:22:20.940 less like that's the election right there michigan all these swing states that's the election 1.00

00:22:27.940 and you have you have people like uh what was her name she's the michigan senator elisa slotkin 0.99

00:22:37.320 elisa slotkin i'm sure you saw that clip where she flat out admitted that going back to widespread

00:22:43.080 analog voting like in person with id and a paper ballot that kind of thing that would rig our

00:22:48.000 democracy and make it hard for any democrat to win in any state election this is what they want 0.97

00:22:55.140 man this is exactly what they want so it doesn't surprise me that that congress isn't jumping up in

00:23:00.080 arms about this thing like they've got what they want it it has parallels to what we're seeing

00:23:08.540 in latin america you notice the left hasn't won a single election in latin america since we got

00:23:14.000 rid of USAID. And in fact, in Nicaragua, they're so certain that they would lose an election.

00:23:20.400 The Ortega regime, they just canceled all elections. If you still had USAID up and running,

00:23:25.480 they would be doing fake elections in Nicaragua and they would have U.S. government help to do

00:23:30.860 it. And I think just to finish the point that there may be some Democrats who think, well,

00:23:35.480 look, if this is all just a fair game, we will always lose. And so they are willing to allow

00:23:42.560 the abscess wound to create more problems for the body politic. But I mean, I remember watching as

00:23:49.400 a congressman, you on this network doing reports on the risk of illegal alien voting and the

00:23:55.560 vulnerabilities in our system that allow illegal alien voting. And you were labeled a conspiracy

00:24:01.040 theorist. We were demonetized, deplatformed just for making those arguments. Now, the thing we were

00:24:10.020 told never happened. The governor of New Jersey has just admitted happened 6,600 times. Illegal

00:24:16.440 aliens voted 6,600 times in New Jersey. So congratulations on your vindication, Pearson. 0.99

00:24:21.060 Thank you. It feels good. Warms the cockles of my cold, dead heart. They keep saying it never

00:24:26.740 happens, but the thing that never happens keeps happening. And I also want to mention about USAID.

00:24:32.740 Interesting side point. Not only have all these conservatives been winning in South America,

00:24:38.480 Latin America but also since USAID was taken down not a single rap song has charted in the top 100

00:24:44.680 a lot of people pointed that out so that's interesting to think about but the uh wait

00:24:52.080 wait wait wait you're saying USAID was propping up rap yeah I mean I could believe it I could

00:24:59.520 believe it it's subversive to the culture it promotes a lot of degenerate things and that's

00:25:03.600 destructive to the American way of life so sure I could believe that they wanted to to pop that up

00:25:08.240 look at all the other stuff they were funding

00:25:10.100 the degenerate things in South America 1.00

00:25:12.540 the sex changes for minors 0.98

00:25:14.360 the gay operas in Ireland 0.91

00:25:16.100 all that other kind of stuff I could totally believe they were propping up rap 0.94

00:25:18.780 I mean have you listened to it

00:25:20.220 it's horrible it's horrible

00:25:22.220 so sure that would make sense to me

00:25:24.460 it's beside the point

00:25:25.220 I think we talked about this in the last episode

00:25:26.940 I'm not a big rap fan and I probably deeply regret

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00:26:13.880 well there's something else i wanted to get your take on um we don't have to go too deep into it

00:26:21.660 but you being a former member of congress have you heard the news that congress is apparently

00:26:27.860 too small and that uh it's not just a leftist talking point anymore people want to expand

00:26:32.720 Congress. Have you heard about this? I have. I would shrink Congress. I think we actually need

00:26:40.580 fewer members, not more. I don't know that a body of 435 accomplishes much, and oftentimes it

00:26:49.380 results in a lot of mouths to feed. So I don't know that we've right-sized Congress. I would be

00:26:53.740 happy if it were smaller. Yeah, I mean, I would too. Apparently from 1930 to 2020, the U.S.

00:27:02.080 population rose from 123 million to over 331. And so people are arguing that, you know, the 435

00:27:10.320 seat just doesn't make sense because, you know, we have so many more people now and they need

00:27:15.580 more representation. They want to increase the size of the House from 435 to 585 after the 2030th

00:27:24.800 census and not only add 138 more seats, but establish a 12 at-large U.S. Senate seat.

00:27:32.400 I'm not sure exactly what that means. What does that mean, at-large U.S. Senate seat?

00:27:37.380 Well, that means everyone in the country gets to vote. They want a national popular vote

00:27:42.860 for any election. But Pearson, how much of this do you think is because in most of the

00:27:49.500 reapportionments that we're seeing, blue states like New York and Michigan are getting fewer

00:27:55.620 congressmen and red states like Florida and Texas are getting more congressmen. And so instead of

00:28:01.720 actually earning back your citizens, instead of creating policies where people are safe and

00:28:07.240 prosperous and people want to be in your communities, well, the easier thing is just

00:28:11.140 to keep your congressional seat by increasing the number. That's so crazy. We see them do that

00:28:16.440 across the board. I mean, they can't win U.S. elections with American citizens voting, so they

00:28:21.020 bring in illegal aliens to vote for them. They can't win at the Supreme Court, so they just 0.99

00:28:25.280 expand the Supreme Court. They want to add more states. You know, let's get Puerto Rico in there.

00:28:29.500 Let's make D.C. a state. Make Congress bigger. So it seems to me, though, the obvious downside 1.00

00:28:36.140 of this is that if we add more seats for more representation, that representation would exist

00:28:42.400 in heavily Democrat areas

00:28:44.480 because the cities are the biggest hot spots.

00:28:48.000 So that's just a blatant grab for more seats.

00:28:51.420 I mean, that's how it would work, right?

00:28:53.520 You'd have more seats in San Diego,

00:28:55.180 more seats in Los Angeles,

00:28:57.740 more seats in all these major cities in New York.

00:29:00.160 So the red states, the rural people,

00:29:02.480 they wouldn't get more representation.

00:29:03.800 It'd be more representation for the blue states.

00:29:05.660 That's how it would work, right? 0.84

00:29:08.720 Yeah, this is the antidote

00:29:10.860 to people, legitimate voters leaving cities

00:29:13.740 for the Democrats.

00:29:15.120 This is what they think helps them

00:29:16.800 continue to create a buoyant universe

00:29:20.300 of crazy people in our lawmaking bodies

00:29:23.140 despite the policies in a lot of these

00:29:25.520 blue jurisdictions driving people out.

00:29:28.500 Yeah, yeah, it just blows my mind

00:29:30.660 that people think that that's the solution.

00:29:33.580 One more thing I want to get to.

00:29:36.140 We've got an incredible story 1.00

00:29:37.820 about this blue-haired tranny 0.99

00:29:40.180 who had a meltdown um flipped out on a cop for misgendering him this was a florida student 0.68

00:29:47.200 good job florida uh melted down over pronouns during a police call and left the scene in

00:29:52.900 handcuffed body footage released on friday captures the february 2025 encounter at the

00:29:59.820 university of central florida a campus officer working a vehicle theft report encountered a

00:30:03.920 screaming student in a blue wig of course um the footage as the student in the footage is identified

00:30:12.520 as 27 year old Jarrett Vick of Treasure Island let's let's watch the clip because it's just

00:30:17.020 absolutely unbelievable why do you let those kids get away with this they are not supposed to be

00:30:23.160 here if you don't lower your voice I am going to put handcuffs on you try it are you threatening

00:30:30.940 me you're threatening me can we get another unit to deal with um jay lee here he is having a breakdown

00:30:41.900 just say the right pronoun what'd you say 73 51 or get down on the ground right now

00:30:47.500 no no you're about to get sprayed no you're down on the ground right now

00:30:51.900 leave me alone i can come in there leave me alone please get away you don't tell me where to go

00:31:00.940 is that what's coming to a drag brunch near you Pearson? Is that, is that the next performance

00:31:25.360 we're getting from the California school district for children to come observe.

00:31:31.700 Wait, is law enforcement not hard enough?

00:31:35.000 Like, is it not hard enough to be a cop, particularly a campus cop in Florida, of all places, without

00:31:40.900 having someone absolutely lose their mind on you over pronouns?

00:31:45.220 And by the way, like, for all of those in the transsexual community trying to tell us 1.00

00:31:51.040 this is not a mental health issue, why then do we see this type of crazy behavior directly 1.00

00:31:57.700 aligned with this life choice?

00:31:59.460 Everywhere. 1.00

00:31:59.900 It is, you know what, that's totally going to happen to you the next time you misgender 0.99

00:32:05.720 a barista at Starbucks. 0.97

00:32:07.540 They're going to start screaming at you just like that.

00:32:08.840 Wouldn't you love that ability, though, just like, you know, they start screaming and you

00:32:12.640 just whip out the pepper spray.

00:32:14.240 Ah, ah, ah.

00:32:16.740 I almost felt like the cop was enjoying himself there.

00:32:19.060 it seemed like he was almost laughing just like the insanity of this person and he got to like

00:32:23.160 pull out the pepper spray he tasered him later in the video it's just incredible to watch no

00:32:29.360 yeah he did the guy just wouldn't listen it's amazing well and this is by the way the thing

00:32:36.660 about transsexuals that has them in this unique posture in our in our uh lexicon now yeah look 0.96

00:32:44.980 If you want to go dress up like a woman on your own time and on your own time, do it. 1.00

00:32:49.880 I don't want to pay for your sex surgery. 1.00

00:32:51.700 You definitely shouldn't be around children doing that stuff. 0.97

00:32:55.160 But you know what?

00:32:56.320 I am not here to judge that choice.

00:32:59.420 The issue is they want to conscript the rest of us, right?

00:33:04.060 If you want to go dress in a dress or do whatever, do it.

00:33:07.060 But that doesn't mean that we, as a part of the social compact, have to join you in this delusion.

00:33:14.980 Yeah. The majority has to cater to the minority. These people are narcissists. This is a classic narcissist tactic. And the world revolves around them. Everything has to be ordered exactly as they perceive it. And when it's not, then you have the generation that was never spanked reacting in a way that they have no boundaries. They've been encouraged to behave this way.

00:33:40.540 So, yeah, I just thought it was an incredible video and it's making the rounds.

00:33:44.700 But the thing that I really wanted to talk about tonight was the film that we've got coming out tomorrow.

00:33:50.760 Yes.

00:33:51.480 It's called The American Dream, the story of Robert Herring.

00:33:56.580 And I've had the privilege and the honor to work on this film for the last few months, chronicling Robert Herring's life.

00:34:05.920 He is an absolutely extraordinary individual.

00:34:09.200 literally the definition of the American dream. There was no other title for this piece.

00:34:13.500 He rose from abject poverty, a man who was actually born inside a barn. That's not a metaphor.

00:34:19.500 And he's gone on to create, you know, this lasting media empire. It's just astonishing what he has

00:34:27.720 done. And, you know, I've been here for 12 years at OAN and getting to work with him over that

00:34:35.280 time period has been really eye-opening but still working on this documentary there were things I

00:34:42.280 didn't know and when I sit down and I talk to him now especially after having done it like you know

00:34:48.460 he's just this quiet humble man you know ready to laugh at a moment's notice and it's hard to

00:34:55.020 believe that this is the guy sitting here who has done all these things um so it's it's really

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00:35:40.920 Really, we wouldn't be here without him, and that is no understatement.

00:35:45.980 I can't wait to see the film, but Pearson, what have you got for us to preview?

00:35:49.680 So we've got a clip opening up and just kind of talking about the early years of Robert's life.

00:35:56.460 We can play that now.

00:35:57.140 Robert Herring grew up in Louisiana, in a small town where life was simple, but not

00:36:04.220 always easy. His father, Alfred Herring, had served as a private in the Army during World

00:36:09.520 War I. By the time that Robert was born, Alfred was doing whatever work he could find to support

00:36:14.920 his family. Robert had a brother and two sisters, and the family scratched out a living as best

00:36:20.840 they could. When Robert got old enough, he started hunting for food, rabbits, birds, raccoons,

00:36:27.580 anything he could catch to help feed the family. He didn't have much growing up. He lived in

00:36:33.700 Louisiana. He lived off the land a lot. He ate crawdads, squirrels he said he hunted,

00:36:41.520 pickled pigs' feet, things along those lines. So very poor at the time.

00:36:46.980 When Robert's sister's health took a turn for the worse, the doctor recommended they move to a drier climate, like California.

00:36:54.180 But the family couldn't afford to leave together, so Alfred got on the back of a truck and hitched a ride out west by himself, looking for work.

00:37:03.800 Eventually, he found a job with an oil company in the Central Valley and sent money back home to Louisiana.

00:37:10.400 Around 1948, when Robert was about seven years old, the family finally saved enough to join him.

00:37:16.980 They boarded a train and headed out to Bakersfield.

00:37:25.180 You know, Pearson, when I see that, I think of all the conversations I've had with Mr.

00:37:30.720 Herring about the opportunity that still exists in California.

00:37:34.880 And you and I go on our programs and we regularly talk about the high taxes and the terrible

00:37:40.480 governor and the bad decisions the state has made over many years.

00:37:44.880 But Mr. H has a way to focus us and say, no, this is still a place where great things can happen.

00:37:50.640 This is still a place where we can build things and make things and grow things.

00:37:54.840 And even to this day, this man, you know, in the later stages of life is able to draw on those moments where his family came to the Golden State with nothing and built an empire.

00:38:08.500 He still, when you talk to him, he still says, you know, there are so many ways to make money in America.

00:38:14.400 And, you know, I wish I had, you know, just half a quarter of that kind of vision that he has.

00:38:23.140 Oh, yeah. Building this out of nothing. It's incredible. And I, you know, we talk about

00:38:29.700 kids going hungry in America. That's like one of the big liberal talking points and how can

00:38:34.680 Trump let that happen? And how should any child go hungry in America? And I just, I find it hard

00:38:40.120 to believe that we have children in america today who are on their hands and knees on a muddy bank

00:38:45.860 of a river catching crawfish to eat because they they can't get food any other way you know there

00:38:52.100 are so many programs to take care of people today and there should be you know people who are who

00:38:57.000 need help oh sure but to compare that with what he went through i mean i guess you shouldn't try

00:39:05.340 and compare suffering suffering suffering but it's just astonishing that that was a way of life

00:39:09.980 He wasn't unique in that. There was a lot of people at that time period coming out of the Dust Bowl, the Depression, World War II, who were literally starving and trying to eat crawfish to survive. It's incredible. Being five years old and helping hunt ducks and fish and whatever you can to feed your family. I can't imagine that.

00:39:34.280 Do you think grit is dead in America? Because you're telling the story of incredible grit.

00:39:40.220 And you're right. It wasn't. While Mr. Herring's story is unique, grit as a feature of American life wasn't unique at that time.

00:39:48.000 There were a lot of people who were building things out of nothing.

00:39:51.620 And do you see that that same trait? It's certainly not at the same concentration.

00:39:57.540 It seems to have diminished greatly.

00:39:58.880 I'm sure there are, you know, people with grit, but I think, you know, the forge creates the steel. The environment makes the man. And I don't think we have the same types of circumstances today. The hardship, you know, you need real hardship to create that kind of true grit.

00:40:18.860 and i've had when i look at that and you'll compare my life to his i've had such a soft life

00:40:24.680 such a comfy cozy soft life and i you know i i admire that grit but i don't know that i want to

00:40:31.080 go through the hardship to get it you know and that's that's probably a personal failing on my

00:40:35.360 part but it's just incredible that people did that back then um yeah we've got another clip

00:40:43.900 of some of the early jobs that he did

00:40:46.480 because he pulled himself up by his bootstraps

00:40:50.540 and he did everything on his own

00:40:52.880 and he did a lot of different jobs,

00:40:54.400 a lot of crazy jobs.

00:40:55.480 So we can watch that one.

00:40:57.980 I remember weekends going to church

00:41:00.560 and then afterwards it would allow us

00:41:02.720 to go on a pony ride

00:41:03.520 and then we'd get hamburgers

00:41:06.240 and I remember cutting it in fours.

00:41:07.740 It was four of us children

00:41:09.340 and having hamburgers on the weekend.

00:41:11.780 So you had to share a single hamburger?

00:41:13.080 At the times, at times, yes.

00:41:15.760 So times were tough?

00:41:18.560 They probably would be tough in other people's eyes.

00:41:23.540 In our eyes, I don't think it was tough.

00:41:26.220 We didn't realize it.

00:41:27.440 Robert worked as a milkman.

00:41:29.300 He found work at Sears, he made gas ranges,

00:41:32.200 delivered turkeys around Thanksgiving,

00:41:33.760 and took whatever job he could find.

00:41:36.220 And I can remember driving on the weekends,

00:41:38.720 like Thanksgiving and stuff, and delivering turkeys,

00:41:41.220 like all us four would be in the car and we would deliver turkeys to customers uh you name it i've

00:41:47.580 done just about everything that you can think of

00:41:49.860 yeah pearson did mr h invent the gig economy

00:41:55.920 you might have been one of the early pioneers yeah i tell you that that is that it is such a

00:42:04.980 wide array of experiences. How do you think delivering turkeys, being a milkman, hunting for

00:42:13.800 food prepares someone to run a national news organization? Because it teaches you the value

00:42:20.800 of hard work. And I think that's something a lot of people have missed today. He's not afraid to

00:42:26.260 get his hands dirty and a lot of people are and nothing is beneath him and like there's no job

00:42:35.200 too small like you know when he when he was working on his circuit board factories he would

00:42:40.340 get out there and help clean the floors with the janitors like you know he's not too good for that

00:42:46.880 you know he's everybody's important everybody matters and every job is important because

00:42:52.260 he understands that because he did them all you know he started one of his first jobs was cleaning

00:42:58.760 chicken eggs and the machines they would use to clean the chicken eggs would spray manure

00:43:04.160 all over the place like all over his face he told me that story so like when you when you start

00:43:09.680 cleaning chicken eggs and you get chicken crap all over your face i think that does something

00:43:15.480 to you i think that teaches you a lesson that you can't learn really any other way

00:43:20.280 Pearson you were here at this network during some of the really challenging days during the

00:43:28.060 Biden administration where you had members of Congress trying to get you kicked off the air

00:43:32.640 when you did reasonable reporting people tried to demonetize de-platform and a lot of other

00:43:40.460 organizations I think would have folded up the tent certainly Mr. Herring had made enough money

00:43:45.000 in his life. His family was fine and well-off. But there was a sense of mission, almost irrational

00:43:52.700 from a pure business sense, but a sense of true mission in Mr. Herring's life. And without it,

00:43:59.540 we simply wouldn't exist today. How much of what we've gone through in our hard days

00:44:06.880 do you think had Mr. Herring drawing on other challenges he'd gone through in his life

00:44:13.260 and preparing him for what very few in modern media could have ever endured.

00:44:18.720 I mean, it's who he is.

00:44:21.980 He doesn't know the word quit. 0.96

00:44:24.180 He's a little bulldog, you know.

00:44:26.280 He's always been the underdog from the day he was born until now.

00:44:31.260 You know, he's always been the guy who was fighting on the outside to make things happen.

00:44:34.820 And I think he took it as, one, an insult that these people were coming after him.

00:44:41.200 You know, that was a slap in his face.

00:44:43.220 That was a tarnish on his honor to accuse him of doing these things.

00:44:49.020 And to walk away from that is, you know, letting someone impugn you.

00:44:54.820 How can you stand for that when you know you were doing the right thing?

00:44:59.660 And so, yeah, he looked at it as a personal challenge and he just he wasn't going to give up.

00:45:04.740 He just he never has and he never will.

00:45:06.380 And I think that's actually a good segue for the next clip, because there was a point when he got started with the circuit board business, which is where he kicked off basically his big business growth period, where the family was homeless.

00:45:24.420 I mean, they were literally homeless.

00:45:26.400 You can watch that clip.

00:45:28.400 Wow.

00:45:28.760 Yet Robert was now on the hook for $2,000 a month, and on top of that, he'd sold his family's house to buy a failing business.

00:45:38.380 His confidence was so great that his family was now literally homeless.

00:45:45.160 So Robert found a solution. They moved into the shop.

00:45:50.100 There was days I remember that he did sell the house, and we actually lived at the board shop for a small period of time.

00:45:58.760 sleeping bags and stuff in the offices and then we'd go back and in in the

00:46:03.320 laboratory have like Bunsen burners and little cooking things that they would

00:46:06.720 cook food for us and yes he's there's nothing that could stop him I that that

00:46:17.580 has a sense of all-in that is also rare in today's world everything is about

00:46:22.760 the hedge everything is about protecting your flank and some of the some of the

00:46:28.100 greats, even people we might not agree with politically in Silicon Valley. There's a certain

00:46:32.960 thing where when you believe in something and you just are all in, whether it's family, business,

00:46:38.780 faith, really an incredible thing. Was that something you'd know? Until this moment,

00:46:44.800 I did not know that, Pearson, that Mr. Herring made that kind of a familial sacrifice because

00:46:50.980 he knew it would lead to better horizons. No, I discovered that when we were working

00:46:55.020 on the documentary i mean there's so much i learned about him doing this wow um like there

00:47:00.360 are decisions i have to make for my family where it's like well i don't know if we should do that

00:47:04.220 can we afford that i know maybe we shouldn't you know robert like i don't want to say he didn't

00:47:11.280 look before he leaped but he always knew that he was going to land on his feet and so he jumped

00:47:16.960 anyway. And like that, that confidence is just awe inspiring. Um, there's one more clip I want

00:47:25.080 to play, uh, before we get to the end of the show, uh, about, uh, how we got, how we got OAN

00:47:30.560 started at the very beginning. Let's play that one. It was somewhere around towards the end of

00:47:38.880 2012, maybe it was the beginning of 2013, and I got pulled into a meeting with Mr. H and

00:47:49.100 Charles, Bobby, maybe a couple other guys. And they said, hey, what do you guys think?

00:47:54.780 We want to start a news network. I said, let's do it. We had no name, no elements, no anything

00:48:04.800 but an idea. From concept to launch, Herring Networks had only months to build a studio,

00:48:12.520 a newsroom, edit bays, hire staff, buy equipment, and train everyone for air.

00:48:17.880 A lot of problem solving. Mr. H isn't one for doing things traditionally from a business

00:48:23.980 standpoint. And so we were jumping into uncharted territory. We hadn't

00:48:30.020 run a news network before, so we were figuring things out on the fly.

00:48:34.800 You know, that story reminds me of Mr. Herring sharing with me that in the final moments of doing the business side of the deal that put OAN on the air, there had been term sheets back and forth and disagreements.

00:48:49.600 And it was Mr. H who walked right in to the head shed and presented the business case for OAN, closed the deal, and then we add revenue to go out and tell the important stories that were happening around the country.

00:49:04.800 Yeah, yeah. He negotiated. He got it off the ground. It was his vision. It was, you know, again, it was quit doesn't exist. No is not an option. Just let's make a news channel. And then he did it. How can you fathom that? That's just I mean, that's the kind of entrepreneurial visionary that we just we don't really have anymore. It's it's really incredible.

00:49:28.560 Well, the man loves the news. He does. He loves it. I mean, I don't think there's been a single day where I've beat him into the office. And he is he is already seeing to this day what is in print media, what he can find online, what videos are driving discussion.

00:49:44.580 He makes suggestions regularly to our programs about things that are interesting to him that he sees in the headlines.

00:49:53.120 And, you know, it is there was a whole generation of these guys, Pearson, you know, the Ted Turner, the Rupert Murdoch, the Roger Ailes.

00:50:01.140 And it's kind of not repeated, you know, in the tech bros that are running the information space that are more of the Gen X or millennial type.

00:50:10.200 These baby boomer titans of industry just had a strong drive on how they did it.

00:50:17.180 And Mr. H's imprint is all over the news.

00:50:20.040 And I think that OAN, even from that time to today,

00:50:22.820 fills just such an important role in the information ecosystem.

00:50:26.480 Yeah, I completely agree.

00:50:28.160 There's nobody else like us out there.

00:50:30.540 So the film is going to be premiering tomorrow at a cinema in Del Mar.

00:50:36.380 And I hope you'll be there.

00:50:38.560 And we're going to have, I'm not sure what the distribution is going to be after that,

00:50:42.380 but it'll be available for everybody to watch, and we'll get it out there.

00:50:47.840 Yeah, it's on our social media, I believe, right?

00:50:50.480 Can you point people to where to see it there, Pearson?

00:50:53.220 Yeah, I shared the link on my X page, and Bobby Herring shared it on his page,

00:51:00.380 and I believe we're going to be putting it on the official OAN account,

00:51:03.460 but that's to be decided right now.

00:51:05.280 So we'll get it out there, but yeah, it should be premiering tomorrow and then very soon afterwards everywhere else.

00:51:14.440 Can't wait. It's an incredible story. It is a story that conditions the human spirit for better things ahead.

00:51:21.200 Yeah, it needs to be told. And I think that is it for the hour. That wraps us up.

00:51:26.580 So tune in again next week when hopefully you'll be back, back in town.

00:51:30.940 i'll see you next week my friend take care everybody we'll see you on anchorman leave

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The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - July 30, 2026

The Anchormen EP 147 - The American Dream

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