The Anchormen Show with Matt Gaetz - The Anchormen Show EP 145 - LooksMaxxing After Israel

00:00:00.000 now it's time for the anchorman podcast with matt gates and pearson sharp

00:00:11.200 welcome back to the anchorman show i'm matt gates host of the matt gates show here on one

00:00:20.900 american news every weeknight nine o'clock eastern six o'clock pacific and i am joined

00:00:26.460 by my good buddies pearson sharp and david pollock we are comfy cozy today hanging out here at the

00:00:32.560 one american news mothership in san diego as we break down some of the stuff we've been following

00:00:38.300 and covering and and what a week uh it's been a week of condolences and mourning over the loss of

00:00:44.300 the late senator from south carolina lindsey graham somebody i knew uh spent time with

00:00:49.620 negotiated a number of, uh, pieces of legislation with, uh, Pearson, you have been following this

00:00:56.340 and there are a few elements of Senator Graham's legacy that you want to bring to our attention.

00:01:00.480 Oh, first, you know, I want to give condolences to Israel for losing their Senator. That's,

00:01:04.620 that's really a shame. Uh, he was a Senator for 23 years and I guess that's God's term limit,

00:01:09.440 but I'd like to know because you actually knew him candidly speaking, what was he like behind

00:01:14.180 the scenes an operator lindsey graham was an absolute operator he knew the politics of the

00:01:22.600 senate he knew the personalities he was everybody's friend even the people who criticized him publicly

00:01:28.400 and and uh i remember one time he said to me he said matt you're gonna love me these next two

00:01:34.200 years i said why is that lindsey he said because i'm in cycle you see in the house you don't talk

00:01:39.980 in cycle out of cycle you're always running in cycle means you're facing the voters

00:01:44.460 And Lindsey said, Matt, you'll love me the two years when I'm in cycle,

00:01:47.740 and you won't love me as much the four years when I'm not in cycle.

00:01:51.400 And there was no pretense.

00:01:54.480 It's just candor.

00:01:55.780 It was who he was.

00:01:56.640 But I think we've got a clip of some of Senator Graham's thoughts on Israel.

00:02:01.820 Yeah, it was just incredible.

00:02:03.560 I came across it when I was researching, you know, going behind the scenes.

00:02:07.120 There's this horrible hurricane just setting the stage,

00:02:09.540 flooding all across South Carolina,

00:02:11.320 just terrible suffering for the people in his state and he gets on camera and they ask him

00:02:17.040 we'll see it but his immediate response is he turns it directly to israel it's incredible we

00:02:21.320 should play the clip god bless you but look you know i've been going all over south carolina like

00:02:28.060 most people haven't slept much but look what's going on in israel our friends in israel surrounded

00:02:32.580 by people that want to kill them destroy them a second holocaust in the making and biden says be

00:02:38.280 proportional. What is the proportional response to people who want to kill you and your family?

00:02:43.760 They're running out of ammunition in Israel. We have to help our friends to keep the war over

00:02:49.280 there from coming here. So, David Pollack, does that argument survive to this day, even in the 0.99

00:02:56.320 absence of Senator Graham? Do you expect there will be plenty of people saying the fate and

00:03:00.700 fortune of the United States is inexorably tied to that of Israel? Well, look, they called him 0.96

00:03:07.880 one of the last remaining great war hawks you know lindsey couldn't find a war he didn't like

00:03:13.140 and and it's hard to speak about somebody after they're gone and but we have to do it right we

00:03:18.780 have to be fair but i think that is his mo he wanted he he thought israel was our greatest

00:03:25.780 ally and the war funding and uh fighting with them as our ally that was lindsey graham i mean

00:03:31.760 that was what his experience was when he was in the senate that's what you would expect from a

00:03:35.580 Warhawk. Now you can criticize it. And look, we're in a new age of reevaluating. We people are

00:03:42.020 reevaluating the relationship between United States and Israel, looking at the aid, looking

00:03:46.300 at the military partnership. We'll talk about that later and looking at it a little bit differently

00:03:50.420 than maybe some of the senior senators of the past. And so I think it's easy to look at it

00:03:55.820 through today's lens and say, yep, he was all Israel. But I think in reality, he represents an 0.69

00:04:00.400 era of government that looked at Israel a little bit differently. I don't think it questions his

00:04:05.320 allegiance to the country. I think it just discusses an era of mindset that maybe it's

00:04:09.780 time to revisit. Maybe it's not. But I think he represents that era.

00:04:13.400 I mean, is it an era, though, Pearson? Because I see a lot of the new ones getting elected

00:04:18.160 having a similar worldview, at least voting.

00:04:20.920 Yeah, they do. But I wanted to bring up about him. Fourteen percent of people in South Carolina

00:04:25.860 live below the poverty line. Right. And there was a great clip. I don't think we have it, 0.98

00:04:29.680 but a great clip of him going, you know, I come to Israel every two weeks, whether I need to or

00:04:34.720 not right you know like what what the hell is that all about the people of israel didn't elect him

00:04:40.940 but do you think do you think that lindsey graham had more allegiance to the people of israel than

00:04:44.620 he did of south carolina i mean is that your take well he certainly voted every chance he got to

00:04:49.320 help them at our expense how so like how at our expense supporting our tax dollars going over

00:04:55.120 there supporting wars for them you know sending us to iran to fight like he's the number one

00:04:59.960 proponent for getting us into the war with iran but he was also heavily for israel but he was

00:05:04.500 also heavily involved in ending the war between russia and ukraine so i mean he started the war

00:05:09.200 between russia and ukraine this is breaking news no i know he was trying to end it that's his last

00:05:13.600 trip he was meeting with zelinski he was working to end well arguably working traveling to a drone

00:05:18.900 facility to end the war well it's not a drone facility anymore that's a fair point it was it

00:05:23.220 was taken out by the russians but i want to put this up we've got we've got a headline here uh

00:05:28.540 from a story um and this is just incredible lindsey graham pushed for a u.s war against iran

00:05:34.880 while acknowledging that u.s soldiers in the region could get hit by iranian counter-attacks

00:05:40.120 a risk he said was worth it could our soldiers be hit in the region absolutely they could could

00:05:47.380 iran respond if we have an all-out attack absolutely they can yeah graham said during

00:05:52.100 a press briefing at the camp campinski hotel in tel aviv i do think we have that clip could our

00:05:57.460 soldiers be hit in the region absolutely they could can iran respond if we have an all-out

00:06:03.340 attack absolutely they can i think the risk associated that with that is far less than the

00:06:08.940 risk associated with blinking and pulling the plug and not helping the people as you promised

00:06:14.680 i'm guessing the people he was referencing there weren't south carolinians yeah yeah exactly well

00:06:21.240 Why do you blame it, David?

00:06:24.540 Yeah, I have nothing to do with it.

00:06:25.980 He's not Lindsey Graham's press secretary.

00:06:27.460 And I'm not an apologist for Lindsey Graham.

00:06:29.420 I am not a fan of it.

00:06:31.440 I wasn't ever.

00:06:32.300 You can go and check my social media.

00:06:33.540 I've never, ever promoted sending money to Ukraine.

00:06:35.940 I've been against it from the beginning.

00:06:37.880 Or Israel for Iran. 0.98

00:06:39.840 Well, again, I'm a little wishy. 0.99

00:06:41.800 I'm not the same on that one because I believe that Israel, 1.00

00:06:44.820 I don't want to go down the road yet because something very significant happened, 0.93

00:06:47.560 and we'll get to it when we get to it with respect to our Arab partners,

00:06:50.700 actually stepping up when they needed to,

00:06:52.620 so we don't have to rely on Israel as much.

00:06:54.300 But with respect to Lindsey, I mean, look,

00:06:57.700 I do think he was a little loose and free

00:06:59.720 with our military members.

00:07:00.860 And he's like, oh, yeah, people will go and die,

00:07:02.240 people will go and fight.

00:07:03.340 But he also served.

00:07:04.380 So, I mean, he's not a total hypocrite.

00:07:07.080 But I don't think we should send our military

00:07:08.940 into harm's way.

00:07:09.640 But it's not about what I think.

00:07:10.580 It's about what Lindsey Graham thought.

00:07:11.600 And I don't think his allegiance

00:07:12.600 was to a foreign government.

00:07:14.080 I think his allegiance was to America.

00:07:15.960 And he believed that that foreign policy

00:07:18.040 was good for America.

00:07:18.760 I don't necessarily agree with it.

00:07:20.480 I just don't challenge his allegiance.

00:07:21.940 I think it was to the deep state and the defense contractors.

00:07:24.040 I mean, when I was doing my...

00:07:24.840 I don't know if it was that, Pearson.

00:07:26.940 And it is uncomfortable to question people's motives, especially after their passing.

00:07:31.440 But I will say, broadly, in the Congress, they get this kind of imperial sense of self, right?

00:07:38.760 They travel to these other countries.

00:07:41.360 They are greeted with this grand procession.

00:07:44.240 They think they're gods. 0.52

00:07:44.940 And adulation from the courts of kings and emirs and these foreign, it becomes very addicting, right?

00:07:55.880 That these foreign leaders kind of put you on this pedestal as a member of the global ruling class.

00:08:02.520 And again, not saying this was Lindsey Graham's motivation.

00:08:05.420 I do think he sincerely held all these views supporting like 10 of the last three wars.

00:08:10.100 but uh the the uh that sense is negative uh it's a negative force on our country because it does

00:08:19.160 create a real divide between lawmakers and the people they're supposed to be serving

00:08:23.780 in their own and that i think is a great point because it's really interesting

00:08:27.320 all the headlines and all the politicians and all the people coming out saying he was a wonderful

00:08:33.380 he was a statesman he was a friend of everyone god bless him rest him if you go on twitter

00:08:39.980 if you look at what Facebook is saying,

00:08:42.160 if you look at what people are saying,

00:08:44.060 everybody hated him.

00:08:46.300 Everybody couldn't stand him.

00:08:48.360 They are jumping for joy.

00:08:49.580 One guy said, we got McConnell and Graham in one year.

00:08:52.880 Can you believe it?

00:08:53.540 Now let's go for Thune.

00:08:54.860 Like the common man hates these people 1.00

00:08:57.160 because they disregard us and they treat us like garbage. 0.98

00:08:59.920 They send our money overseas and start wars that we don't want.

00:09:02.660 Well, I can assure you that when my time to cross the big bridge

00:09:07.740 comes to the sky there will not be the uh the universal expressions of gratitude from uh from

00:09:13.440 my no but i think that's an important point to acknowledge like the divide between the reception

00:09:18.140 of this news and i'm not dancing on his grave i'm not doing that i'm not mourning his loss i don't

00:09:23.040 think he was a positive for america but i think it's interesting to see how real people feel

00:09:28.400 about this versus of course what the media and the other politicians what makes you think they're

00:09:31.640 real people i mean just the average people online just people commenting i mean who's real who's

00:09:37.140 not i don't know i mean i mean here's but are you are you telling me beach dude 47 is not a real

00:09:43.040 person i mean i'm sure he is i'm sure beach 47 is real but maybe not beach 47 but but here's the

00:09:49.600 thing it's easy for somebody to say something online i've been critical of lindsey graham but

00:09:53.800 here's the thing he's gone he passed away sadly uh so you look back on his career you don't it's

00:10:00.120 a different position and here's the deal i've worked in politics matt you've been in so many

00:10:04.120 campaigns, right? When you're on the field, when you're in politics, when you're trying to affect

00:10:09.000 policy, it's war. It's like being in a courtroom. You know, the guy across the aisle, he's not my

00:10:14.440 friend. He's the adversary. I'm going to convince that jury that that guy is not only wrong, but

00:10:18.640 you should hate him. But guess what? When the gavel is hammered, we'll go and get a drink together

00:10:22.760 and we'll fight another day. And that is what this country needs to learn how to do. You can say

00:10:26.760 terrible things about Lindsey Graham when he's running for a primary. You can say he's awful.

00:10:29.920 He loves Israel.

00:10:31.100 But you know what?

00:10:32.000 He died coming back from a trip overseas to serve the country.

00:10:35.620 Got off the phone with the president of the United States.

00:10:37.240 He says, I'm going to get the Save America Act done for you.

00:10:39.220 And then he passed away.

00:10:40.160 So now isn't the time to spit on his grave.

00:10:42.380 Now you go, okay, look, he served the country.

00:10:44.040 We disagreed on politics, but let's move forward.

00:10:46.160 What we lack in this country is the ability to separate the politics from the people.

00:10:52.060 And this guy's gone.

00:10:53.760 We don't do that at all, by the way.

00:10:55.880 That's such an astute observation that in the old days you might say,

00:10:59.040 well you know i i like the person but i don't like their policies right or you know what you

00:11:05.480 know the other way around the contrapositive it is all blended now you are your policies

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00:12:29.820 So it's not just sort of the movement of humans around Capitol Hill we're watching. It's the

00:12:36.320 movement of legislation. And I think that's what we want to get into. The National Defense

00:12:40.620 Authorization Act goes down in the Senate. They don't have the votes to proceed on to what is

00:12:45.320 a very bipartisan bill. I've voted for almost all of them, I think. I've been a part of constructing

00:12:51.620 a number of them. Republicans and Democrats usually do work together on this stuff. Not

00:12:57.600 getting that in the House of Representatives, Congresswoman Luna, always creative, puts the 0.73

00:13:03.380 Save America Act on the state and foreign operations funding bill. What are you watching

00:13:07.500 on the Hill, David? Yeah, I'm not shocked. The only thing that surprised me today, not that it

00:13:13.600 went down in the Senate. It's going to go down in the Senate. What surprised me today was John

00:13:16.840 Thune blaming Democrats because his tune this entire time has been like, well, there isn't the

00:13:21.360 votes. There's the votes. We don't have the votes. And almost was like, we're not going to take it

00:13:25.300 up. He hasn't pointed the finger across the aisle and was like, those people are the reasons not

00:13:29.080 passing. He did with this. And so I don't know if his tune is changing on it. I thought that was 0.56

00:13:34.420 interesting. He's almost softening up. He's almost like digging in for a fight. Now, look, you've

00:13:37.960 seen um senator scott um say basically the and mike lee uh senator lee he said we shouldn't recess

00:13:46.220 until the save america act is done will john thune pick that up i don't know but he is showing a

00:13:51.540 fight that i haven't seen before the house for the fourth time now has given the senate the ability

00:13:55.800 to figure out how to pass the save america act they can't figure out how to do it on their own

00:14:01.340 maybe john thune's coming around that was my piece of encouragement today you know i spoke to

00:14:05.620 congressman mills on my show and he said look we're going to come at this as every single angle

00:14:10.360 whether it's reconciliation 3.0 whether it's sending him different kinds of legislation with

00:14:13.620 it tied to it we're not going to stop trying to get this thing passed and with the margins they

00:14:17.040 have they're still able to get it passed so i think the house is going to keep fighting i think

00:14:20.360 john thune eventually is going to find the pressure uh within his own caucus to uh figure

00:14:24.300 out how to get this thing at least up for a vote that's the save america act the ndaa could be a

00:14:28.780 horse of a different color every democrat in the senate voted against proceeding onto the national

00:14:33.880 Defense Authorization Act. There's a lot of good in that bill. Starts of new programs we need,

00:14:38.340 pay raises for our troops. 3.6%. Yeah. But there is something in that bill that Pearson Sharp is

00:14:44.740 not too keen on, and that is the weaving of our research, development, test, and evaluation

00:14:51.240 apparatus into the IDF, into the Israeli Defense Forces. A lot of Democrats spoke to this as one

00:14:58.200 of the reasons why they were not willing to proceed on to this bill. Pearson Sharp, were you

00:15:03.440 cheering on Democrats blocking the NDAA? It's a weird day when you're glad. You are all torn up.

00:15:10.720 It's a weird day. I'm conflicted. Yeah, I'm not sure what's up or down anymore. But it's good

00:15:16.940 that we stopped that aspect of it. I agree there are other aspects that should pass. It's crazy

00:15:23.180 how much it jumped. Like at 50% doubling, that's insane. That's insane. I don't think we need that.

00:15:29.340 I don't think our military needs that, personally.

00:15:31.780 So you have a problem with the top line, not just some of the provisions of the bill, but the overall top line spending number would cause you to hit the pause button?

00:15:39.160 Yeah, it would.

00:15:40.320 And it's not because I don't think the military should be funded.

00:15:42.460 I absolutely think that it should.

00:15:44.100 But I think that, and this is something I'm sure you saw and others could speak to much more intelligently with awareness on,

00:15:51.700 But the wasteful spending, the contracts, the military contracts and the defense contractors who just throw away our money on projects that shouldn't be spent.

00:16:05.160 And I think if we refined that, if we used our money more efficiently, we wouldn't need $1.5 trillion.

00:16:10.320 So I think a lot of that money is wasted and intentionally so because they can.

00:16:14.920 We do need more missiles.

00:16:15.980 We do need more planes.

00:16:16.840 We do need better weapons for our troops.

00:16:18.260 Our troops should be paid more.

00:16:19.440 I agree with all of that.

00:16:20.380 We should be able to defend ourselves.

00:16:22.180 But this is kind of insane.

00:16:24.620 You know what they have said to me, the folks at the Pentagon, when I've pressed them on this through the years, they say, Matt, the Pentagon is not built to be efficient.

00:16:33.280 It is built to win the wars.

00:16:35.680 And in any war, you waste half the money.

00:16:38.860 You just don't know which half kind of until you get to the end.

00:16:42.440 Now, I often say we've been on a bit of a losing streak lately under Biden and Obama and Bush.

00:16:49.620 We toiled around places without the taste of victory.

00:16:54.000 But, David, do you buy the argument that maybe separate and distinct from the Department of Education or the Department of Labor, EPA,

00:17:02.460 we can forgive some inefficiencies in exchange for success?

00:17:06.180 Hang on.

00:17:06.680 I do want to add, wasn't it that the Pentagon has never passed an audit?

00:17:10.380 Like, ever?

00:17:10.940 No, never.

00:17:11.680 Ever?

00:17:12.320 Yes.

00:17:12.760 That's not acceptable for anybody but the Pentagon.

00:17:15.980 That shouldn't be the case.

00:17:17.420 My favorite, and I do want David's reaction, but my favorite one we found was, like, they'd spent something like $40 million on eight goats.

00:17:25.660 And, you know, clearly that was just on paper.

00:17:27.560 Right. Well, and that's my example.

00:17:28.860 They were bribing some guy.

00:17:30.200 Well, and there was another one.

00:17:31.700 It was, like, $200 billion disappeared, like, four or five times in the last, like, 10 years or something.

00:17:38.400 And every time it was like, well, we don't know.

00:17:39.860 And it just, the story disappeared.

00:17:42.380 No one questioned it.

00:17:44.460 That's my problem.

00:17:45.160 $1.5 trillion for defense.

00:17:46.080 Pollock, you in or out?

00:17:47.420 I'm in. You know, some of these programs are not eight goats, but they're a great way to fund

00:17:54.760 the programs with eight goats. And there's a lot of things we don't remember. All of our

00:17:58.920 appropriations are public. So sometimes overpaying for eight goats that allows us to have something

00:18:03.920 sneaky that saves lives. You know, I'm not going to question the people that let us sleep at night

00:18:10.040 without having to worry about something exploding over our heads. And if they say need the money,

00:18:14.680 They need the money.

00:18:15.260 Unfortunately, this is one of those areas where you have to trust the government because there are certain things we – I hate it.

00:18:21.520 I get it.

00:18:22.020 I know.

00:18:23.300 But it's sometimes –

00:18:23.580 Your sweet blood pressure right now is 200 over one child.

00:18:26.280 But sometimes, like you said, whether it's – you can look at education, look at the Fed.

00:18:30.720 I'd order all that stuff.

00:18:31.500 All the ones that are failing.

00:18:32.520 But when you get – oh, it's government.

00:18:34.880 So let's give them more money.

00:18:36.220 Yeah, but when you get to the Pentagon, the last thing you want to do is tell people that are like, hey, listen, we got your back to go, yeah, prove it.

00:18:43.460 Let me – why did you – the last thing we need to do is start questioning the people that keep us safe.

00:18:48.040 And it's hard.

00:18:50.480 The same people who brought you MKUltra. 0.97

00:18:52.240 Yes, let's give them one. 0.92

00:18:52.820 Well –

00:18:53.500 There we go.

00:18:55.920 No, it's not that simple.

00:18:57.280 Unfortunately, the thing is the reason why no country is invading our borders,

00:19:02.200 the reason why we're able to win these conflicts with minimal service members losing their lives is because we have a well-funded military.

00:19:08.300 I agree.

00:19:09.080 I voted for President Trump three times.

00:19:11.220 I believe President Trump, as commander in chief, goes, this is what I need from our military.

00:19:15.540 We need these ships. We need these weapons.

00:19:17.260 And I don't think President Trump, as a successful businessman, somebody who doesn't like to waste money, is looking at this saying, yeah, yeah, they're wasting money.

00:19:23.800 If he says to Congress, I need this money, he must think it's for a good reason.

00:19:27.000 I trust the president.

00:19:28.000 And then that's where I go with this.

00:19:29.220 And I don't think it's going to be effective to tie Trump's hands behind his back when he's trying to do a lot of things with our military.

00:19:35.040 It's the last thing we need.

00:19:35.840 We already have the Congress voting to strip his war powers.

00:19:38.300 The last thing we need to do is have Congress strip his budget.

00:19:40.580 to. Well, they're not going to strip his budget. They're just going to pare it down to something

00:19:43.500 maybe more reasonable. But reasonable to who? Iran. Exactly. Al-Qaeda.

00:19:51.440 With this, Pentagon should be funded. I agree. We'll set that aside. I won. Not to that extent. 0.99

00:20:01.340 um so this ndaa to merge our military with israel yeah that's terrifying and you look at some of the

00:20:10.840 stuff that they want to merge so the pentagon basically appoint an executive agent whose job

00:20:15.660 would be to synchronize cooperation with israel across the defense department um the the latitude

00:20:21.260 of that position is just astonishing uh so he would be directed to identify israeli or jointly

00:20:26.540 develop technology for incorporation into official U.S. weapon systems, move projects

00:20:31.980 from research, Pentagon procurement, establish joint ventures, promote joint exercises, but

00:20:37.840 the integration is extremely comprehensive. The covered fields are very broad. It would

00:20:43.940 include drones and counter drone systems, tunnels and subterranean warfare, missiles

00:20:47.760 and air defense, artificial intelligence, quantum computing, autonomous weapons, directed

00:20:52.820 energy weapons biotechnology cyber warfare battlefield networks defense manufacturing

00:20:57.220 and the best one any additional field mutually agreed upon by washington israel so just leave

00:21:04.120 the door open for anything and everything they could possibly anything we didn't think of right

00:21:07.480 quantum robotics nuclear subterranean uh sea-based land air so like i want to make the point that i

00:21:14.960 agree every nation including israel has the right to defend itself that is totally appropriate

00:21:20.900 But Israel and any nation does not have the right to demand that we defend them.

00:21:25.920 And I think that's where we need to draw the line.

00:21:28.180 Who needs treaties if you have this?

00:21:31.240 I mean, because they would have everything.

00:21:34.700 And I think that we need continued cooperation with Israel.

00:21:39.640 I think there's benefit that comes to the United States from that.

00:21:42.140 But it can be case by case, ad hoc, not this type of broad fusion.

00:21:49.280 this this is as the pentagon raises the israeli spy threat as the nda seeks deeper defense ties

00:21:56.980 the pentagon's defense intelligence agency recently elevated israel's counterintelligence

00:22:01.060 threat designation to critical the highest level in its system well i mean what's friendship without

00:22:07.780 a little bit of spying yeah sure exactly david is this overblown i mean this is a huge discussion

00:22:12.400 online right now on the right in a way it's kind of interesting the massey amendment has divided

00:22:17.920 Democrats. You had Hakeem Jeffries

00:22:20.220 vote against the Massey

00:22:22.040 Amendment, the top Democrat in the House, Catherine

00:22:23.980 Clark, one of the members of their leadership,

00:22:25.960 voting with Thomas Massey.

00:22:28.440 It's kind of all out on the game

00:22:29.940 board now. How do you see it?

00:22:31.580 And you don't have to disagree with me just to disagree

00:22:34.060 with me. I mean, it's easy to disagree with you.

00:22:36.020 I don't even have to try.

00:22:38.320 Look, I don't see the...

00:22:40.480 Again, it all depends

00:22:41.900 on how much you trust the relationship between the United

00:22:43.820 States and Israel, and I think I probably

00:22:45.500 sit on a different bench on this one.

00:22:47.920 We're already giving them money for the weapons.

00:22:50.380 Why not integrate with them?

00:22:51.440 They're our biggest welfare recipient. 0.98

00:22:52.980 Well, yes, but they also serve a vital role.

00:22:55.020 And this is something hopefully we'll get to later.

00:22:57.520 If not, let's just bring it up now.

00:22:58.700 Who else would start with us for us?

00:23:00.360 With respect, well, because look what happened the other day when this war reignited.

00:23:04.820 Last week on this show, we talked about what now, right?

00:23:08.620 And you mentioned the memorandum being the best possible deal.

00:23:11.740 I think a surprise deal happened with the straight-off war moves

00:23:14.660 Because Trump was like, I'm just going to charge a 20% toll for the safety and security of the Strait of Hormuz.

00:23:19.780 And then a bunch of Arab nations say, wait a minute, I got a better idea.

00:23:22.420 What if we just do deals with you and we'll work together to kind of secure the strait?

00:23:26.460 There's this weird alliance happening right now between the United States and our Arab partners that I didn't see coming. 0.84

00:23:31.360 Maybe you did, but I didn't see it coming. 0.66

00:23:32.860 But we might get out of this war with a closer relationship with the people that Iran used to have a closer relationship with.

00:23:39.400 And at the end, they're further isolated.

00:23:40.660 isolated. And the reason why I say this is we've had to have this special relationship with Israel

00:23:45.420 because they were only ally in the region. But as we start to develop relationships with Oman

00:23:50.060 and relations, and I know that the risks involved, but maybe we don't have to make them our biggest

00:23:55.860 welfare recipient because there's other countries we can get along with. Turkey is a perfect example

00:23:59.460 that maybe also protects our interests. And maybe this is a win-win for everybody. I don't know. 0.94

00:24:04.060 Wait, wait. Your argument is that emerging out of the rising escalatory ladder that we're on is going to be an Arab-enforced passageway through the Straits. 1.00

00:24:16.340 That's what I'm hoping. It seems to be building. 1.00

00:24:18.420 That is so naive, David. That is not happening.

00:24:21.520 Hopeful. Optimistic, not naive.

00:24:23.420 I don't even get the 20% tariff thing. Maybe I'm seeing it wrong and you can help me, but what does it matter if Iran is denying passage anyway?

00:24:33.180 What this war has proven to me is both the United States and Iran can clog up the straits.

00:24:38.460 Yes. 0.97

00:24:38.680 So it becomes an exercise in who can endure the most pain.

00:24:43.600 And I don't apologize for the fact that I don't want the people I love and care about,

00:24:48.920 and I used to represent Congress, having to be in some pain threshold match 0.98

00:24:53.180 with the 3,000-year-old civilization of Persia.

00:24:57.140 They've proven they can withstand a lot of pain.

00:24:59.100 I don't know why we have to withstand it.

00:25:00.680 And I do worry that even if what you described happens, you've got another pinch point on the straits off the coast of Yemen. 0.83

00:25:08.080 And I believe that if Iran has denial capability in the Straits of Hormuz, they'll just use the same tactics and the same cheap drones and the same technology to harass, shipping, deny insurance coverage in the Straits out of the Red Sea. 0.83

00:25:27.040 Now you've got a compounding problem. 0.88

00:25:29.380 So I think this is going to get worse before it gets better. I think this is going to be more costly over time. And I still maintain, and I would welcome either of you to challenge me, I still maintain that the MOU that was negotiated represents the best terms for the United States to end this.

00:25:47.920 If Iran was an honorable nation and would have abided by the terms of the—I know the argument, you know, Israel is still attacking Lebanon and, you know, there's other—

00:25:57.000 That's a very significant argument.

00:25:58.240 Right, but Israel didn't sign on to the MOU.

00:26:00.600 But the thing is, Iran is never going to abide by anything because at any moment, just like when they attacked those tanker ships, they said, oh, they were rogue. 0.52

00:26:10.340 They were rogue because they just decided they were rogue. 0.73

00:26:13.100 No, they were rogue because they didn't use the Iran-prescribed pathway where they could charge their toll and demand their extraction. 0.81

00:26:20.180 Right, but Iran will never play by the rules.

00:26:23.880 I don't think any of us believe that Iran is going to go, cool, I'm good with this deal.

00:26:27.840 Let's call off the war and let's get along right.

00:26:30.060 No, I don't think Iran is here for the Mr. Congeniality Award at the UN.

00:26:34.520 At the same time, one cannot deny that there was safe passage through these straits before this war.

00:26:39.500 Yeah, well, it was a safe...

00:26:40.660 But how many times have the Strait of Hormuz

00:26:42.080 been shut down before this war?

00:26:43.660 I mean, it's...

00:26:44.380 They were running pretty hot before it happened.

00:26:46.200 But it keeps...

00:26:46.920 Every time there's an opportunity for a conflict,

00:26:48.820 Iran ceases the Strait of Hormuz

00:26:50.700 and disrupts the oil markets. 0.93

00:26:52.000 I mean, this is just...

00:26:52.780 In the past, you know what we did?

00:26:54.620 We sailed the Carl Vinson right in,

00:26:57.480 and we parked it at Bahrain and said,

00:26:59.940 we're here.

00:27:00.700 And why do you think we haven't done that now, David?

00:27:02.880 Because the force protection is a lot different right now.

00:27:05.320 And these intritable drones have capability that is challenging us.

00:27:12.420 But yes, so that's the thing.

00:27:13.880 So we can't do that anymore.

00:27:15.220 So what is the next step?

00:27:17.080 Do we, we can't, regime change, we've already discussed the challenges with regime change.

00:27:20.500 Regime change, you don't know who you're getting.

00:27:22.100 You're just going to have another problem with a different leader, right?

00:27:24.460 When, you know, Israel, do you give all the money to Israel?

00:27:27.580 Israel handle it for you.

00:27:28.820 That's the Steve Bannon argument, by the way.

00:27:30.960 Bannon's argument is actually don't give Israel any more money or any more constraints and just let them do their thing.

00:27:38.560 I don't think that's the right answer.

00:27:39.680 And then we don't own it.

00:27:40.420 I don't think that's the right answer.

00:27:42.540 Well, it just won't result in peace.

00:27:43.880 No, and the United States will get dragged back into it anyway.

00:27:47.040 And so no matter what, there's going to inevitably be a conflict.

00:27:51.260 When do you deal with it?

00:27:52.100 How do you deal with it is what we have to figure out now. 1.00

00:27:53.920 I think the only way to have any sort of lasting peace, because the Iranians are never going to agree to abide by it, 0.98

00:28:00.000 regime change isn't going to result in the outcome 0.99

00:28:01.960 we want. We've seen this before. And Europe

00:28:04.020 certainly is not going to come to our aid.

00:28:05.920 So the only best case outcome

00:28:08.240 because the MOU will never work because they're

00:28:09.920 never going to abide by it, is going to be

00:28:12.100 to have the people that sit around 0.99

00:28:14.000 Iran, that keep getting the missiles lobbed

00:28:15.960 at them, the Houthis keep attacking. 0.99

00:28:18.300 I mean, the only best way we get out

00:28:20.000 of this is not through Israel. 1.00

00:28:21.800 It's through all of Iran's neighbors 0.59

00:28:23.780 that think like they do, saying, you know what, Iran, we're 1.00

00:28:25.880 done with your crap. It's not the United States that's 0.99

00:28:27.880 done with your crap. It's not Israel's done with your crap. We're done with 1.00

00:28:29.840 your crap and if that happens it's not our problem anymore that's america first here's here's where 0.96

00:28:35.400 i'll meet you on this argument i think what you described is necessary but not sufficient 0.99

00:28:40.200 i think you have to have the allies there or this all falls apart but i don't i don't think it's

00:28:47.060 enough without a cessation of hostilities that's going to take a certain amount of care at a

00:28:51.300 certain amount of stick uh before we we go on from the war pearson final thought on it i'm just

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00:30:03.380 So, fellas.

00:30:04.160 Oh, please go ahead.

00:30:05.060 I did want to ask you because you're buddies with Massey.

00:30:08.560 Guys go way back.

00:30:12.360 So he's passing, you know, trying to get this thing separated with Israel and the NDAA.

00:30:17.120 But I noticed that the people who signed on with it were Ro Khanna, Jim McGovern of Massachusetts, Democrat, Jesus Garcia, Democrat of Illinois, and Rashid Tlaib, Democrat of Michigan.

00:30:32.000 Why is it only Democrats who sign on?

00:30:34.020 Why don't any Republicans?

00:30:35.140 Because every single Republican voted against Massey's amendment.

00:30:38.300 Yeah, voted against it and voted to give aid to Israel.

00:30:40.960 So why is it only Democrats who he can work with on this?

00:30:44.680 That just blows my mind.

00:30:46.220 I think Republicans are concerned what might happen to them after watching what happened to Thomas Massey.

00:30:53.760 I mean, Thomas Massey just had tens of millions of dollars dumped on his head in Kentucky and lost a district that he'd won for more than a decade.

00:31:01.220 And I think it is a function of political theory.

00:31:05.640 I do want to get to another big story exploding on the Internet regarding a figure they call clavicular.

00:31:12.740 I had never heard of clavicular, but it is a thing.

00:31:17.500 Now, this is a Gen Z influencer who is famous for something called looks maxing.

00:31:25.120 And that is you do things to your body.

00:31:28.360 Bruise yourself, chisel yourself, even break your legs to have them grow back where you could be at a higher height, at a higher altitude.

00:31:40.440 And so he's the looks-maxing guy.

00:31:42.080 Gen Z loves him.

00:31:43.560 And he gets in a big controversy because in Miami, he goes to a nightclub in his 20s.

00:31:51.560 Nick Fuentes is present.

00:31:53.520 Others are present.

00:31:55.320 And they play a Kanye song that glorifies Hitler, something we, of course, would never do.

00:32:01.860 And they're dancing and they're singing to the song.

00:32:05.480 And afterwards, Clavicular gets all kind of criticism for it.

00:32:09.600 But he goes to Israel.

00:32:11.340 He goes to Israel and his whole plan, here he is in Tel Aviv, he says, I'm sorry, let's go to the Israel.

00:32:18.440 This is Miami.

00:32:20.020 Let's go to the next one.

00:32:20.940 so having a good time uh in tel aviv as as one does and when he uh gets uh in front of an

00:32:44.320 interview this happens we've just been in tel aviv for the past few days but um it's everything's

00:32:50.100 been great. Okay, I see. So you basically came here to apologize? So we came here to explore

00:32:59.660 Tel Aviv and kind of show that it's a really fun city. But you know what everybody in Israel is 0.91

00:33:06.300 talking about right now, right? Well, everyone in Israel is talking about, you know, what we're

00:33:16.060 doing that that's good you know so for you to kind of start the interview off in like a negative

00:33:21.860 manner doesn't really make sense but you surely understand that people are angry no no no let me

00:33:26.840 make you understand i'm here for a good thing and you're trying to drag me through the mud

00:33:31.360 uh and you know give me reputational damage so quite honestly what's wrong with apologizing

00:33:36.400 about singing heil hitler no no this this interview is just apologize why don't you

00:33:40.020 apologize to me for why don't you apologize why don't you apologize to me for wasting my time

00:33:45.060 so this interview went very viral in israel and then clavicular got a very different kind

00:33:51.160 of treatment than he got in the tel aviv nightclubs ticklish why you come on jewish

00:33:56.060 girls let's talk let's come to the ring i'm your best entertainment in israel

00:33:59.420 So all of that culminates with Klav leaving early.

00:34:23.320 Take a listen.

00:34:24.780 Israel's PR has massively benefited from the fact that I'm here.

00:34:29.420 right the fact that people realize you can actually go clubbing and do relatively normal

00:34:35.020 uh over in tel aviv rather than it just being in a complete war zone right um so that kind of thing

00:34:42.900 happens and then people are still negative to you here it almost wants to make you say well

00:34:49.520 then i'm not going to come back i didn't have to come here right i didn't have to at all i liked

00:34:55.360 everyone i met here for the most part uh in terms of all the fans and all the the regular people

00:35:01.460 here have been quite lovely but i have a jet back home tomorrow so pearson this is why this is so

00:35:07.940 wild to me like this is not a political person obviously it does not strike me as a high iq

00:35:13.080 person but goes to israel uh they're having a great time and it all becomes about politics

00:35:20.180 and kind of cringe and he leaves.

00:35:22.940 What's your read?

00:35:24.160 It's, I mean, it's really interesting

00:35:26.140 and the repercussions didn't stop with him

00:35:28.840 because when we talked about this earlier,

00:35:30.160 I started reading about it

00:35:31.160 and apparently there was an IDF soldier

00:35:33.580 who was relieved of duty for hanging out with him.

00:35:37.140 I think she might've been one of the individuals

00:35:39.660 enjoying the nightclub experience.

00:35:40.900 She might've, yeah.

00:35:42.760 So he documented himself with Shira Braun,

00:35:44.560 an IDF soldier serving in the international branch

00:35:47.000 of the spokesperson's unit.

00:35:48.120 um she was let's see suspend she had suspended jail time so they were looking at jail time

00:35:54.360 for her for hanging out with him but that was suspended thankfully um disqualification from

00:36:00.300 her military profession and dismissal from the idf spokesperson's unit after appearing before

00:36:04.380 her commanders in a disciplinary hearing she will no longer be allowed to serve as social

00:36:08.360 media coordinator she'll be transferred to another unit until the end of her service

00:36:11.340 and could face actual prison sentence if she commits another disciplinary violation so that's 1.00

00:36:17.380 insane. Didn't Israel miss the boat here? They could have welcomed the guy. They could have 0.51

00:36:22.000 gone, had a great time. They could have said, look, this is not a place where bombs are dropping

00:36:25.540 everywhere. People are living normal lives, being happy. We're a safe, wonderful, accommodating

00:36:31.160 country. Look, it might be a valid point for someone in Israel to be like, hey, what was up

00:36:37.700 with that in the club? Why are you singing that song? But that's like a reasonable conversation

00:36:41.020 you can have with someone person to person. Well, I want to get to that. I want to get to that

00:36:43.820 Because, David, what accountability do you believe a white man in his 20s should have for the hip-hop or rap music that he sings along to?

00:36:54.840 Because some of the, like, outcast that I sang in the early aughts was horrid.

00:37:00.560 And, like, if you think about hip-hop music that white guys listen to, it was terrible to women and other people.

00:37:08.800 It still is.

00:37:08.940 But we sang along.

00:37:10.540 Do you think, do I morally own every bit of Kanye?

00:37:13.820 i've ever sang i don't know that one particular kanye song though was just a little bit more 0.99

00:37:18.480 okay targeted uh but that being said i think he's just a young idiot um wait wait on the 0.98

00:37:25.880 looks maxing side or on the international travel i think all of the above but at the same time 1.00

00:37:31.340 um i think you i think the reaction to a young idiot gives him more credibility than he deserves 1.00

00:37:38.620 like who cares 1.00

00:37:40.540 I get it he's an internet phenomenon

00:37:43.420 I understand the social media draw and I understand all that

00:37:45.780 because we're obsessed with like

00:37:47.480 the weird and wild right he's a freak show essentially

00:37:49.860 that women find attractive

00:37:51.500 but he's a freak show and that's why we're drawn to him 0.96

00:37:53.680 bro if I had to like hammer my face 0.98

00:37:55.760 and chisel my jaw and break my legs 0.90

00:37:57.780 but you don't that literally does nothing 0.80

00:37:59.660 oh I hammer my face that's why I look like

00:38:01.440 I have hammered my face you do that all the time

00:38:02.520 oh yeah definitely Pearson's doing that 0.60

00:38:04.000 I go home after this podcast and I hammer my face

00:38:06.580 i thought that's what we'd do on air um so but but but let me let me make the other argument 0.94

00:38:14.220 david as to why it does matter look at the generation israel's losing yeah it's not the

00:38:19.260 boomers yeah it's gen z yeah but why are they losing gen z yes i get it this could have been

00:38:23.900 a great opportunity to take a gen z influencer and kind of change the narrative pro israel

00:38:28.380 but in reality all they had to do was not be political i know but but israel's losing a bigger

00:38:34.300 battle and that is the battle of propaganda on social media and maybe they're engaged in it maybe

00:38:38.660 they're not i don't think uh i mean they they file forms with our government saying they are

00:38:43.680 yeah i don't think it's like maybe they are let's just acknowledge it they are yes uh i'm just trying

00:38:48.760 to avoid the i like to hammer my own face i'm avoiding having my face hammered involuntarily

00:38:53.860 no i'm kidding but uh but realistically i think yes sure israel could have had an opportunity here

00:39:01.040 But at the same time, standing up, I don't think the people of Israel would have appreciated him getting a pass.

00:39:07.760 At some point, you have to defend your values.

00:39:10.280 And I think in this instance, maybe there's other opportunities to attract young people.

00:39:14.360 But I think that the issue Israel is having with young people isn't – it's the Internet.

00:39:19.780 The Internet is really attacking Israel.

00:39:21.880 And I think it's very specific to divide us, which will segue nicely into this ICE stuff.

00:39:26.160 Because a lot of the criticism against Israel, it's just being used by people who want to destroy this country to divide us so they can destroy this country. 0.91

00:39:33.960 And yes, maybe Israel can win. 0.90

00:39:35.800 Maybe you're right.

00:39:36.480 I just think it's missing an easy putt.

00:39:38.580 I think sometimes, and maybe it's different in Israel where politics is more fervent and prescient than here.

00:39:45.620 But I feel in America like some people just want a place they can go that is a safe space outside of politics.

00:39:52.380 For some people it's sports.

00:39:53.480 For some people it's go to a concert.

00:39:55.420 Nobody wants to hear

00:39:56.660 But do you think Nick Fuentes would be welcomed

00:39:58.780 Into the fictional city of Wakanda

00:40:01.240 Like at some point they're going to go 1.00

00:40:03.320 We've seen your stuff, you're not welcome

00:40:05.220 Because the people of that nation

00:40:07.060 Will be like we've seen your stuff, you're not welcome

00:40:09.380 That's a very different comparison

00:40:11.320 It's the same comparison because you mentioned

00:40:12.680 Is a young white male allowed to do whatever he wants

00:40:15.380 But that's his identity 0.50

00:40:16.000 Not just allowed to be

00:40:17.660 Not be responsible for 0.92

00:40:20.920 Black lyrics that we sing 0.92

00:40:22.820 Because we don't know what we're hearing

00:40:25.140 We don't really understand it.

00:40:26.120 But the response would have been exactly the same if he was singing different.

00:40:31.220 The 2020 lyrics, actually, I don't think it's the same thing.

00:40:33.600 I think it's actually much different.

00:40:34.780 The 2020 lyrics, we were singing along.

00:40:36.640 It was in the song.

00:40:37.360 We liked the song.

00:40:38.100 We were singing along because we didn't have the right to use those words,

00:40:41.280 but we could nod our head to them.

00:40:43.160 The Kanye song was way different.

00:40:45.400 You say it's a fair point that when it's the explicit glorification of Hitler,

00:40:51.180 that's different than...

00:40:52.620 is the n-word appearing in a rap song that we're nodding our head to it's not the same thing um

00:40:57.140 and so i i really think that that's a difficult example to make but if there was a song that

00:41:02.640 like written by somebody like nick fuentes um that said horrible things about the black community

00:41:07.820 i don't think that person would be welcomed into the black community just because it would be good

00:41:12.080 pr and i think that's the issue here i listened to evanescence in high school i'm sure you still 0.89

00:41:17.180 You look like it. You look like it. Evanescence.

00:41:20.200 Another big thing we got going on in the country right now is how to deal with the ice enforcement.

00:41:25.580 We've had multiple of these ice involved shootings.

00:41:29.540 We never want to see a shooting, but I have looked at some of the evidence and it does concern me when people are out there agitating ice, getting in the way, creating harmful conditions for the enforcement of our immigration laws. 0.81

00:41:42.560 So I tend pretty far on the pro-Ice side on all of this.

00:41:48.500 If we don't have – there's this big talk about traffic stops now, right?

00:41:53.000 Because the traffic stop in a lot of ways is the front porch of a law enforcement encounter.

00:41:59.320 Now ICE temporarily potentially pausing these traffic stops.

00:42:03.300 President Trump reportedly did not like that news, wants it happening again.

00:42:07.960 What are you following in this story, Pearson?

00:42:09.360 I think it's great.

00:42:10.080 I think – good. 1.00

00:42:11.640 they should be shot they're criminals my position is if you try and run over a police officer 1.00

00:42:17.260 you should be shot i'll run on that platform like i think oh anybody trying to kill a police officer 1.00

00:42:23.180 subjects themselves to legal force that's that's clear when you're when you're chasing criminals 1.00

00:42:28.520 you know danger comes with the job like we don't make america safer by telling criminals that we're

00:42:34.680 not going to go after them we make americans less safe you know we we enable this we make 0.54

00:42:41.260 it permissible the problem is this is what commies do this is a commie op well this is a commie op

00:42:48.460 this is a commie op in minneapolis we had a commie op trump was going in and trying to bust heads

00:42:55.060 and get the get the criminals out you know a thousand times he told us in the campaign trail

00:42:59.480 mass deportations i'm going to bring mass deportations that's what he promised and that's

00:43:04.420 what he started doing that's what we had in minneapolis and then we had a commie op we had

00:43:08.340 a couple of these commies go out there and martyr themselves and then it worked we shut it down we

00:43:13.880 got rid of greg bovino the problem is you can't deporting people is not going to be popular

00:43:21.480 among a lot of people especially with the communists and you can't carry out a promise

00:43:27.440 like mass deportations if you're constantly going to be looking at the poll numbers and worrying 0.86

00:43:32.820 about whether it's popular or not you have to just do it and damn the consequences you can do

00:43:37.560 what's right or you can do what's popular i think there's a a it is a comey op but i want to be 0.54

00:43:42.900 clear on what part is the comey op i don't think um this illegal alien was mk ultra to drive in

00:43:47.480 circles slowly until he got shot i think the reaction to these events are the come yeah we

00:43:54.720 had the instance in texas and they tried a week ago there was another shooting of an illegal alien

00:44:00.080 using his car as a weapon um that guy ended up having meth in his car or something so like well

00:44:05.000 maybe this isn't the best example oh this guy had his wife and kid in the car let's use this one 1.00

00:44:08.740 the same thing with the renee good like these people are idiots they find themselves in these 1.00

00:44:12.740 situations but it's the response that's the commie op and unfortunately they're so good at the 0.99

00:44:19.160 response i mean even it's in collins of maine a republican on our side was like yeah maybe we

00:44:22.780 should stop these stops without even asking how these stops are valuable to ice and as a matter

00:44:27.620 of fact the stop is the most important that ice has because illegal aliens who are fleeing from

00:44:34.180 being deported are not waiting at home

00:44:36.320 for you to deport them. They're driving away

00:44:38.100 from you. So you have to stop them. So when you

00:44:40.160 say, hey, ICE, you can catch them in their

00:44:42.220 home, but if they get in their car, stay away.

00:44:44.760 Especially in sanctuary places where

00:44:46.200 these things keep occurring, where the law enforcement doesn't

00:44:48.200 even have an authorization to assist you in the

00:44:50.200 stop. So ICE has to do the stop.

00:44:52.200 Taking away their ability to stop would have

00:44:54.080 actually made it so much more dangerous because

00:44:56.020 now they would have been encouraged to flee. All you have to do,

00:44:58.080 illegal alien, is get out of your house and get in your 0.90

00:45:00.100 car and they can't touch you. It's like on 1.00

00:45:02.100 base. Yeah, every car becomes a

00:45:03.880 sanctuary city correct it's super important too because such a good it's really dangerous for

00:45:09.440 cops to show up or for ice to show up at someone's house like how many of them are in that house

00:45:14.000 what what kind of situation are they going to encounter they're gonna have to go inside the

00:45:17.080 house and then they don't know the environment they don't know what's going on they get you in

00:45:20.640 the car it's safer for everybody i feel like there's a there's a bit there's a bigger story

00:45:24.660 here because they put the pause on the traffic stops trump didn't like that trump didn't know

00:45:31.340 about that. Trump immediately reverses

00:45:33.580 that. And so that has me

00:45:35.420 thinking, you know,

00:45:37.480 with the Mark Wayne Mullen team 0.96

00:45:39.280 that came in, are there some rats

00:45:41.320 in the woodpile? I think he might be the rat.

00:45:43.660 I mean, the order came from him. 0.92

00:45:45.560 Really? Yeah. That was from

00:45:47.300 the article I read. It's been reported.

00:45:49.320 But at the same time...

00:45:51.180 Put Greg Bovino back in, man.

00:45:53.140 Tom Holman... Top to bottom with Greg Bovino.

00:45:55.460 Tom Holman said it was temporary to evaluate

00:45:57.500 what happened in the situation. Yeah, no, see, that's...

00:45:59.300 We're caving in. Every time these commies do an op,

00:46:01.220 we blink. Well, I think the problem is

00:46:03.180 Pearson would have stopped

00:46:05.320 every car. Yes!

00:46:07.140 Maybe checkpoints. Let's profile!

00:46:09.060 But I think the

00:46:11.280 issue here is we saw

00:46:13.300 what happened after Renee Good. We saw what happened after

00:46:15.260 Alex Preeti. You saw what happened at Delaney Hall

00:46:17.380 in New Jersey. You saw what happened in Portland.

00:46:20.140 You have these blue...

00:46:21.120 It's always in a blue state. And it's

00:46:23.340 always that the response turns

00:46:25.180 into something that's much bigger. I can

00:46:26.940 give Mark Wayne Mullen a pass by saying

00:46:29.500 Nope. He was probably trying to avoid this actually making it more dangerous for ICE officials to do their job. So a temporary pause in traffic stuff maybe would have stopped the behavior. But I think he's approaching it like a reasonable Republican. And as Rush Limbaugh used to say, you being nice to the media or you being nice to Democrats and expecting them to treat you differently is a mistake. And so I think by appeasing them, you only motivate them.

00:46:51.800 And I think President Trump has the right approach here in saying, no, no, no, no, we're not taking this away.

00:46:55.800 We can do an investigation.

00:46:56.920 And you said – and I think you're right.

00:46:58.740 It looks bad from the videos.

00:47:00.480 I mean that was a – the guy was driving slow in circles.

00:47:03.400 A lot of shots were in the officer's interpretation was that he was posing a risk to the public. 1.00

00:47:07.800 Maybe that's true. 1.00

00:47:08.720 That's what investigations are for.

00:47:10.640 But the fact – the bigger issue here – and you mentioned the one very interesting angle in the Mark Waid-Mullin angle and if there's going to be a disagreement.

00:47:17.040 The bigger question is when you have members of Congress, actually sitting members of Congress and mayors of cities like Zoran Mandani running out there and calling ICE agents murderers before the ink is dry on the preliminary report, that immediately puts ICE agents' lives at risk.

00:47:33.960 And that, in my opinion, borders on the line of criminal.

00:47:36.800 If there was a member of Congress, and you have the right to free speech, but when you call somebody a murderer and you jump to the conclusion that somebody murdered somebody and then there is violence as a result and somebody gets injured, I think you go beyond the House Ethics Committee, which I think as a minimum needs to open investigations to every member of Congress to call federal agents serving their laws, calling them murderers.

00:47:56.840 I think we have a bigger issue here, and I'd like to see more media attention being dedicated to that.

00:48:01.500 Final story I want to talk about.

00:48:03.820 Euthanasia.

00:48:04.300 We're seeing this trend around the world where more and more governments are allowing people at the end of life to take their own life, to terminate their life.

00:48:13.760 Pearson, you shared with me earlier, 5% of deaths in Canada.

00:48:17.880 5% of deaths.

00:48:18.680 One out of every 20 deaths in Canada is not.

00:48:21.760 Now assisted suicide.

00:48:22.920 Yeah, is that. 0.98

00:48:23.800 And what's crazy about that too is 95% of those are white.

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00:49:01.860 well 95 no they're not i'm just 95 of the people killing themselves are white

00:49:08.580 i don't know if you know but canada has a massive immigration problem right now kind of like ours

00:49:13.700 but much worse and immigration from india and from other third world countries is just flooding 0.97

00:49:18.820 through the country so the places where we've seen this france canada and you know what it got

00:49:23.400 me thinking about these are places with universal health care right and i wonder if and i hope this

00:49:29.520 isn't true but i wonder if health care practitioners aren't pushing people at the end of life

00:49:34.260 they are to end their life not because it's what's best for that person or the family

00:49:39.820 but like just it's just a mathematical calculation am i it's my reading too too deeply into a dark

00:49:46.900 human heart burden on the health care system look i mean i think there's validity to that if you look

00:49:52.100 at covid and the population it targeted and who created that but yes health care sucks in universal

00:49:57.380 health care places and maybe somebody's suffering so badly because they can't get an mri that did

00:50:02.660 rather kill themselves that's a different situation but i do think this is a very this is this is 0.79

00:50:07.340 something i struggle with because look i'm against abortion you know i i believe you know life begins

00:50:12.880 a conception and you honor life, right? There are certain exceptions, I think, where, you know,

00:50:17.360 we can evaluate whether or not access to an abortion should be legal. But when it comes to

00:50:23.000 the end of life, if your dog is suffering, right, what do we do? I mean, people aren't dogs. No,

00:50:28.160 I get it. But sometimes dogs get better health care than people. That's a huge. And I mean,

00:50:32.860 you know, at the end of my dog's life, we had to make the decision that keeping her around would

00:50:38.460 would uh have been more pain for her it would not have been for her benefit so we she got a you know

00:50:43.480 a lethal dose and and that concluded her life and i love that dog more than almost every person i've

00:50:49.460 ever met it's compassion but let me say something let me say something here with that because i've

00:50:53.280 literally saw i've sat next to a friend who was in his 20s and died of ewing sarcoma i was with him

00:50:59.020 until his last days he withered away to nothing and you know how he died at the end of the day

00:51:04.140 yes it was natural causes but have you ever been with somebody who's young and strong and has been

00:51:08.920 in hospice they pump you with so much pain medicine yeah it kills you just by your heart

00:51:15.260 stopping from the amount of medication it almost is like euthanasia we just don't call it that but

00:51:19.800 hospice in a lot of instances when it's not when it's really happening when it's real hospice not

00:51:24.180 on a piece of paper that's not actually great intent is different you know it doesn't because

00:51:27.740 it's false intent yes you inject somebody with so much drugs that the heart literally stops but

00:51:32.180 you do it because they're in so much pain that you have to do that to them because you kept them

00:51:35.580 alive so long that they had to suffer so badly that the drugs had to kill them i think at some

00:51:40.300 point you leave it between a person individual decision and their doctors now i think you have

00:51:44.100 to be very careful that it's not just some person with a psychosis you would allow it in some cases

00:51:47.980 in some instances yeah and by the way practically speaking i think in a lot of hospitals this

00:51:52.840 happens where right they they up the dose of morphine we've all seen it right we've all seen

00:51:58.500 But it's not until they're suffering so badly. It's not until they're suffering so badly that we do that.

00:52:04.100 There's a big difference, though, between just doing that in a hospital and actually making it a law.

00:52:07.440 But is your principal objection a religious one?

00:52:10.820 Yes.

00:52:11.380 Okay, so it's not a practical one. It is a faith-based objection.

00:52:15.980 Life is precious. Life comes from God. We do not own our lives. They belong to God.

00:52:21.440 And we don't have the right to take them.

00:52:24.120 Do you take medicine?

00:52:26.000 Yeah, but I'm not.

00:52:26.900 of course, but do you take medicine? I'm not killing myself with medicine.

00:52:29.480 But God created that medicine, so you can... Yeah, but he didn't give you the right to kill

00:52:33.540 yourself. And David, Christians don't believe that suffering makes a life worthless. And that's the

00:52:39.580 point. You know, mercy means, mercy means easing suffering and refusing abandonment.

00:52:47.880 But how would you ease suffering of somebody that... Well, you can, you give them as much

00:52:51.440 medication or as help as you can, but at the end, suffering is a part of life. And that doesn't

00:52:55.720 mean you get to end it or kill yourself but whose decision is it how much somebody has to suffer

00:52:59.540 before they're allowed to be free of the pain this is this is god's realm we don't have the

00:53:05.580 right over life and death but you say we so you want to pass a law that says because of your

00:53:09.900 religious belief somebody has to suffer until they're pumped with morphine to die it is not

00:53:14.600 charitable to kill people because they're suffering that is not the charitable thing to do

00:53:20.180 And setting aside the religious aspect of it, there's also the terrifying implications of giving the government that ability.

00:53:28.980 And that is almost more concerning at this point because there's one story that I was encountering here where this woman with back pain in Canada, she goes to the hospital for back pain.

00:53:42.200 And the first thing the doctor says was, well, have you considered suicide?

00:53:46.340 Well, I think they asked that at the ER.

00:53:48.580 and that's just in san diego like jokes aside though that's just one example there are lots of

00:53:53.460 them that are similar and but you think this is a communist cajoling you don't think that question

00:53:59.900 is like preventative you think it's trying to cajole the person yes yeah and there have been

00:54:04.000 a lot of these cases there have been a lot of these cases we could make a whole report about

00:54:07.460 this and i probably should where these communist governments want to kill the people they just want

00:54:12.540 to get rid of them they get older they get sick or whatever it is to me it'll be interesting to

00:54:16.060 see if free market healthcare goes this way too, or if this actually is a feature, an

00:54:23.360 outgrowth of, of, of socialized medicine.

00:54:26.440 It would depend on the reimbursement, which is probably what is so, uh, blood boiling

00:54:32.400 for Pearson and many others when they say like, no, you don't, you were actually, it

00:54:37.620 is, it is sacrilegious to treat a beating heart, a soul, a living life, like a line

00:54:43.980 item on a spreadsheet that can just be deleted because it's economically efficient to do so

00:54:48.420 communists don't value life it's meaningless they don't care about you they don't care about me i 0.97

00:54:52.400 don't care about anything it's his power and so sure go ahead kill yourself we don't care in fact 1.00

00:54:57.400 fine please do it get you know get rid of yourself stop being a burden on us they've been actually 0.99

00:55:02.040 offering this to children that was one of the headlines that came out recently yeah there was

00:55:05.680 a kid they actually offered suicide to i think he was like eight oh geez so that would be terrible

00:55:10.260 Well, I mean, did he have cancer?

00:55:12.480 I mean, was there some other...

00:55:13.520 I don't remember the specifics.

00:55:14.920 I mean, we can throw it up and I'll find it later.

00:55:16.760 But yeah, I mean, it's horrifying

00:55:18.780 to give the government this ability, one,

00:55:20.900 but two, to just view life as something that you can end.

00:55:24.200 It's not worth living.

00:55:25.520 Well, we may not be able to make the decision

00:55:26.920 about the end of life, but we must end this podcast

00:55:28.740 because we are at the end of our hour.

00:55:30.300 But thank you both so much for joining me.

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The Anchormen Show EP 145 - LooksMaxxing After Israel

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