00:02:38.800Yeah, and I think this is really one of the bigger questions that we've been sort of wrapping
00:02:42.760our heads around for the last 10 years.
00:02:44.580You and I have been involved politically long before we were online.
00:02:48.540we've either worked campaigns or we were correspondents or we were interns at various
00:02:52.300positions or phone bang for various campaigns. And, you know, it's always been interesting that
00:02:57.160I can remember being, you know, 10 years ago, watching sort of how the media ecosystem was,
00:03:03.020which was, you know, you had cringe compilations, you had even earlier, I think today on Twitter
00:03:08.180was someone posting about how the famous sort of like trickly puff video of a large overweight
00:03:13.200college student sort of just, you know, shaking her arms and screaming and being angry over a
00:03:17.400Steven Crowder appearance in 2016 was now 10 years old. And when you look at what had happened
00:03:23.060from, say, 2016 to today, the world in which the sort of trickly puff exists is one in which they
00:03:30.120have gotten a lot more organized and still hold, I think, a great degree of power over the country.
00:03:35.860And as we've seen over the last 10 years, not to mention, as you mentioned in the introduction,
00:03:39.740sort of with the assassination of Charlie Kirk and Tyler Robinson, the hearings still going on
00:03:43.540in court that these individuals are the ones that have no problem taking action and don't mind
00:03:49.720becoming martyrs to their cause or serving life sentences or serving long terms in prison because
00:03:55.540they know eventually someone on the left will either pardon them or that it's just one step
00:03:59.860necessary to achieve their cause. We know this because Bill Clinton had famously offered pardons
00:04:06.340or commuted sentences for various members of the Weather Underground and other left-wing terror
00:04:10.720groups of the late 60s, early 1970s that have been famously covered by Brian Burrow in his book,
00:04:16.580The Days of Rage, which I know had been referenced openly by Secretary of State Marco Rubio when
00:04:21.160talking about terrorism in the United States. But at the same time, I think for the last 10 years,
00:04:25.800there's been this sort of media cycle wherein, as you mentioned, the frivolity or the ability
00:04:30.660to laugh at our enemies has sort of become this, you know, Debordian spectacle that we all want to
00:04:37.480participate in because it is a lot more entertaining to point out that you know oh members of the
00:04:42.240denver democratic socialists of america had their meeting and they were you know celebrating that
00:04:47.040they had gotten someone to effectively dethrone a 15-year incumbent from congress while they're
00:04:52.080all still wearing masks and such and while yes it's funny to point out that they're still masking
00:04:56.540in the year of our lord 2026 uh those people have no problem organizing and they certainly have no
00:05:01.560problem doing what's necessary to get individuals in power through the actual work that's necessary
00:05:08.020to make sure that the system's gamed in their favor. And they unseated a white Democratic0.72
00:05:12.740Congresswoman for someone who was not even born in the United States. Someone who was born in
00:05:18.040Ethiopia, who's openly advocating that the global South has to take over America in order for America0.96
00:05:23.840to stop being, you know, this exploitationist imperialist country. So again, just more of the0.81
00:05:28.580great replacement and being ruled by foreigners again in the form of god's judgment on the nation0.95
00:05:33.020but overall i think it just really kind of goes to show that we live in a society where you're0.99
00:05:37.620like yes a lot of conservative media pundits have no problem pointing out how silly or stupid some0.97
00:05:42.620of these ideas are remember i think it was jesse waters on fox that was making fun of the you know0.97
00:05:47.340anti-work guy from you know reddit.com a few years back and all of a sudden you sort of realize that
00:05:52.440like yeah some of these positions are laughable but at the end of the day they're the ones that
00:05:56.320like that individual who, you know, lit stuff on fire outside of an immigration courthouse.
00:06:00.620Lest we forget last year in 2025, someone took rifle rounds to a bunch of ICE agents.
00:06:05.880Ironically, they killed detainees and not the ICE agents themselves. But it really just goes to show
00:06:11.400that our enemies are far more willing to actually pull the trigger and be organized while we're
00:06:16.740reliant on the FBI and state and local law enforcement officials to take care of this,
00:06:22.300while so often we find ourselves just pointing and laughing not realizing that these are the
00:06:26.720people that are willing to kill yeah when you when you mentioned trigly puff there i could
00:06:31.420actually feel my beard get like much longer and grayer yeah it became the the old giga chad meme
00:06:37.820but uh yeah though the um it is an interesting transition right we we look people will talk
00:06:44.640about 2016 as if it was just this fever dream dream right like that that you had the that
00:06:52.540kind of that uh that stretch of uh wokeness that kind of broke over uh the the universities and0.81
00:07:00.580in the 2010s uh that this was the the woke at its most intense yeah the most ridiculous the most0.87
00:07:06.760cancel culture. But while that was obviously crazy, outside of a few people being chased off0.69
00:07:16.380of campus, it was all very performative. Yes, there were cancellations. Yes, there were people
00:07:22.920freaking out. But it was a lot of the bedroom feminists. It was people sitting around and1.00
00:07:28.880talking about how they want to exclude men on campus or something. But there wasn't a lot of
00:07:34.440direct terrorist activity direct violence now people act as if the woke has gone away it's
00:07:41.840faded we're past p woke all these things but actually we're seeing far more willingness
00:07:47.360by the left to become violent in these moments and i wonder you know why that perception has
00:07:55.400shifted where people will downplay the effects of wokeness in the modern era even as the amount
00:08:01.740of violence in its name seems to increase uh and why the left is feeling the need to become more
00:08:08.660violent is it because they ultimately uh were uh they weren't able to achieve their goals donald
00:08:14.840trump won and so they're feeling more desperate they you know they're not winning everything all
00:08:18.880the time and so they feel the need to resort to violence is it just the increase in radicalization
00:08:23.980from the rhetoric of these you know people who were woke in college coming of age uh new people
00:08:29.180entering into this time being more radical what do you think has shifted uh where the left has
00:08:33.880really ratcheted up its uh violence in these moments well i think a lot of it does have to
00:08:38.700do with a large degree of a generational and also a large demographic divide i mean i know
00:08:43.660recently in the wake of uh sort of the dsa getting its moment in the sun and rightfully so they've
00:08:49.620they've managed to take a few scalps in primaries they've managed to basically we've had america's
00:08:54.780had its own sort of sadiq khan moment where you know one of the largest cities in the united states0.77
00:08:58.940and one of the most important ones financially uh new york city has now been captured by a foreign
00:09:03.920born you know progressive who knows how to play the game incredibly well has incredibly close ties0.72
00:09:09.040to various ngo groups and is working closely to reward his friends and to punish his enemies like
00:09:14.540any good you know politician would on the left and i think that has a lot to do with the fact that if
00:09:19.560you are someone under the age of 40 um you are going to have a different understanding of political
00:09:26.040socialization than someone who's 40 and older. And so when James Carvile or Hillary Clinton is
00:09:32.340gravely concerned about what white Democratic donors are saying about the DSA, they are very
00:09:38.500far from what is on the ground and what's on social media. We have to remember that Hassan
00:09:43.520Piker is considered one of the most important talking heads right now for the Democratic's
00:09:48.480progressive wing of its party, and at the same time is openly calling that Mao Zedong was one
00:09:53.780the most important, if not one of the greatest world leaders in human history. We have to
00:09:58.080consider the fact that Twitch and other platforms has become the mainstay where individuals get
00:10:02.740their news and opinions. We have effectively created parasocial feedback loops wherein we
00:10:08.240offshore our moral compass and our political understanding of the world, individuals that
00:10:13.440we think are better than us. That doesn't necessarily mean that they're experts. That
00:10:17.100just means that this person's got the opinion, they've got the microphone, they've got the
00:10:20.160professional setting they're going to do it and progressives have been championing for years and
00:10:24.460i mean it's not just with uh the current stream of things i mean this has happened historically in
00:10:28.780the past with um famously with members of the the weather underground even those that were white
00:10:34.320were saying you know like i would never do anything to hurt you unless you were racist you
00:10:37.560know and talking about you know basically ending an entire uh ethnicity of people and so i mean
00:10:43.000again the younger generation has had its own uh sort of formulation in that wherein they're reading
00:10:48.680theory or they're having someone explain theory to them. And now that you have to put that into
00:10:52.000action. And I think that for a lot of them, that just means that where we're currently at is that
00:10:57.020if I'm a young left winger, that I live functionally under a socialist state, Bernie Sanders
00:11:01.820is a moderate centrist and that we need to go further. And if no one's willing to go further
00:11:06.420than that, then I need to take actions with my own hands. There is an American communist party
00:11:10.880in the United States. I know that that means very little in the wake of our two party system, but
00:11:14.640when they openly advocate that they go out in the florida everglades and organize with firearms and0.87
00:11:20.980do weapons training you have john brown gun clubs and other uh forms of you know gay self-defense
00:11:25.880groups as well and the progressive wing of the left um millennials down on younger will happily
00:11:30.940sign up and say that those are the people that i want to side with and that means radical action
00:11:34.880so when we see random commentators and get you know the clicks and the jeers and the reposts
00:11:40.840the retweets saying that, you know, like, well, we need a Haitian style revolution in this country,
00:11:44.660or we need to take a look at what happened in 1917 to take action. That rhetoric isn't going
00:11:49.680to go away. And history proves that when we have a large enough of a displaced demographic that1.00
00:11:55.880isn't economically viable, they're willing to engage in party politics that, yeah, while they're0.93
00:12:01.040downwardly mobile, they're going to cheer on the idea that they can at least burn the village or,0.97
00:12:06.140you know, liquidate the kulaks or do what's ever necessary to make themselves feel good. And1.00
00:12:09.880Unfortunately, leftism has a really great track record of doing just that and considering open borders and the various individuals that have no tie or allegiance or blood to this country running for office and trying to change the system for their own ends and represent their own ethnic groups.
00:12:26.580uh that's a i think a large part reason why to do so is that the younger generations are
00:12:31.120socialized completely differently than our uh forefathers and they simply have no relation
00:12:35.960to this country other than they live here and their job is to destroy it from within
00:12:40.040you know the amazing thing as you're pointing out is that for all we like to make fun of the left
00:12:48.640you know for all the reasons we already stated uh they're constantly willing to organize they're
00:12:53.000constantly willing to get out there they're constantly encouraging each other to do this
00:12:56.800uh not just politically but as you point out basically in functional militias you know what
00:13:01.380is a self-defense group if not uh you know a proto-militia right um and so they're more than
00:13:07.560willing to organize both politically and kinetically uh for their own ends obviously
00:13:13.620we know antifa the cells the the assaults on ice agents as you say the attempt to assassinate ice
00:13:19.680agents, it still kind of blows my mind that, you know, that happened. And we just didn't take it
00:13:25.300seriously. Yet again, there has been little to no action. The Trump administration named Antifa
00:13:30.060a foreign terror organization and then did nothing. Like, we have had no movement on this at all.
00:13:37.520And so it's kind of wild. At the same time, it seems like the entire conservative ecosystem
00:13:43.380is designed specifically to make conservatives as bad at politics as possible so for instance
00:13:51.000whenever you talk about leftist organizing the response from almost all conservatives is
00:13:56.580well we have jobs you know we have families we have kids we have things to do and you know there's
00:14:02.320obviously a truth to this right like despite despite what mutants are real like they have
00:14:06.460nothing better in life to do than to sit around and plan your death and their takeover and so yes
00:14:11.860you know in that sense they do have you know more time on their hands and are more willing to do
00:14:17.160this but ultimately uh that this just seems like a cop-out right that's the saying well we're just
00:14:22.220not going to organize because we're too busy and so they they're automatically going to win that
00:14:26.480they're automatically going to have that advantage and the same is true when it comes to uh frankly
00:14:31.900violence uh it seems like the major job of every conservative is to assure the system that they are
00:14:39.540of no threat right that that there are there are no violent right-wingers um you know that that's
00:14:44.900never going to happen uh we all saw the response just to patriot front which was not in any way
00:14:49.580doing violence as far as i understand uh but was simply marching around feel however you like about
00:14:54.680patriot front uh maybe you think they're you know fed off maybe you don't whatever like ultimately
00:15:00.080the point is even the appearance of right-wingers organized in a slightly uh you know uh militarized
00:15:09.240form even though there's no violence involved is something that every single person on the right
00:15:14.760feels the need to rush to to cry they they're not sitting there handing out flyers for patriot
00:15:20.320front they're not out there you know encouraging young people to get involved or to form similar
00:15:25.220groups they're saying oh we would never do this and the idea that any conservative would ever have
00:15:28.980an organization like this any right winger would ever be involved in something like this is so
00:15:32.600ludicrous it must be funded by the government must be the action of the spLC or the left or
00:15:38.460something like that uh you know uh pretending to be right-wingers and so it seems like the
00:15:44.280strategy is to render conservatives both politically and kinetically as impotent as
00:15:49.460possible and if you suggest any other state should exist well then you're going to be called woke
00:15:55.760you're going to be called a progressive you know you're a communist of some kind uh or some kind0.70
00:16:00.460of dangerous larper uh you know you're going to get a slant slandered in every way shape or form0.95
00:16:05.360and no one's ever going to address the issue that, well, the left is winning because they're0.62
00:16:08.460doing this stuff. Yeah. And I think this is sort of where the divide, I think, between various
00:16:14.560factions of what you could call the new right or what certainly have come out of the last 10 years
00:16:21.040in sort of the spaces. I mean, Scott Greer has done a great history of this in his book,
00:16:24.780White Pill. But it really does come to show that when actually trying to organize,
00:16:30.140it is difficult, I think, on the right in a lot of ways, because you have to,
00:16:34.160you know find a way in which your most uh anti-social or your most uh let's say problematic
00:16:41.780i don't really like using that word but i mean i think it kind of fits the description like because
00:16:45.280you have to do very well because if you're on the right you automatically know that the states after
00:16:49.240you the paramilitaries of the state are after you i.e left-wing ngos and activists that have
00:16:55.980no problem doxing you if you simply say the wrong thing we have years of this and so attempting to
00:17:00.620organize, I think, on the right, whether in a sort of militaristic or even in a, you know,
00:17:05.500politically legal sense of the word, whether you're trying to do things like the sort of new
00:17:10.800and improved John Birch Society, people are going to go after you and to track you down for
00:17:15.420advocating that, you know, actually, we should follow the law, we should actually enforce the
00:17:19.640law that's there, we actually should arrest the small 100 plus number of criminals that
00:17:24.600continuously cause 80% of the crime in the country, or in the city and take care of it.
00:17:28.820And I think that's a big part of it alongside the fact that, you know, we have a history of right wing organization and movements that either have been working explicitly with the federal government.
00:17:39.620I mean, we can look at the Gretchen Whitmer plot. We can also take a look at numerous other organizations that have existed throughout America's history, both now in the 21st and 20th century, where they fall apart due to antisocial concerns or wanting to just stay as revolutionaries and not wanting to actually put into effect any sort of change.
00:17:59.620But on top of that, I mean, the left knows that it has the side of the state to it because conservatism in America, and I think also in a large part over in the continent as well, is that it is always by almost seemingly deliberate design to enforce its borders when it comes to its fringes or its radicals.
00:18:18.540Now, obviously, that hasn't necessarily worked all the time in America, at least, because, you know, 10 years ago, all the things that would have gotten people like Scott Greer and countless others in trouble advocating for identity or advocating for control over America's borders and its sovereignty and its relationship to countries like India or China or Israel, those things have become relatively mainstreamed.
00:18:43.220They're not completely dominant in American right-wing politics, but even then, as you had mentioned, your article that you wrote a couple of weeks ago or two weeks ago on Patriot Front I thought was very fitting because regardless of whether or not you like them, it kind of goes to show that the instant immune response on the American conservative movement is to attack the right.
00:19:01.340and it doesn't matter how much work that you've done investigating left-wing ngos the moment you
00:19:07.520spot something that looks remotely fascistic um you know or something that you would call fascistic
00:19:13.100that all of a sudden like your immune response goes up we have to attack the healthy cells in
00:19:17.020our body which is usually young white conservative men that want to actually preserve the country
00:19:22.520that they were supposed to grow up in that was supposed to be theirs that has been sold off
00:19:26.900either to, you know, foreign visa labor
00:19:29.900or by financial interests that are trying to shape the country.
00:19:34.100And so, I mean, we've seen this for decades in our lifetimes, at least.
00:19:36.900So I think it really just kind of goes to show that it's a tightrope
00:19:39.960that if you want to walk on the right, you actually do want to organize
00:19:42.600because there's not a lot of people that want to give you money.
00:19:44.600There's not a lot of people that want to adhere to a vision
00:19:46.960that may not necessarily be optical or socially cogent in nature.
00:19:52.120And at the same time, you do know that you're going against
00:19:54.760not just against the state and the intelligence community and the law enforcement apparatus,
00:19:59.040but against radicals that are supported by said state apparatus that has no problem ending your
00:20:04.220livelihood, your family, and so on. I mean, like, yes, you can use jobs as an example and an excuse,
00:20:09.160but there are plenty of young conservative right-wing minded men who are not married,
00:20:13.920who are very well to do and successful that believe in these things genuinely. And if they
00:20:18.740actually want to go out and support those things, you know, all that you're doing is reaffirming
00:20:23.360their belief systems when you say that they're either feds or some other kind of op when most
00:20:28.460of the time they're not hey y'all it's kelly clarkson with wayfair ever order furniture online
00:20:33.460and wonder what if like what if it doesn't hold up that sofa was four days old you should have
00:20:37.720ordered from wayfair with wayfair there's no what if just style you love and quality you can trust
00:20:41.800visit wayfair.ca wayfair every style every home yeah that's again the the dichotomy here um you
00:20:50.580You have a culture of encouraging organization, of encouraging these groups coming together and building with focus on the left and the right at pretty much every turn, especially, as you say, with young white men.
00:21:05.960The attempt is to demonize any organization, any group that might be catering to their needs, recognizing them as a block with interest, these kind of things.
00:21:16.820and you have the currently the republicans panicking that the socialists are coming you
00:21:23.320know that the dsa is is rising um that it is you know gaining political momentum more and more
00:21:29.840young people are on board with this and it's very clear that despite our best efforts uh the right
00:21:36.060has really learned nothing on this or conservatives at least have learned nothing on this because
00:21:40.160their plan is to just debate people oh well don't you know that communism is bad haven't you haven't
00:21:45.140you looked at the statistics that communism doesn't work.
00:21:48.320And I've tried to explain this like repeatedly,
00:27:58.160that you can have thousands of layoffs1.00
00:28:00.060in some of the most lucrative sectors of the American economy, only to be replaced by H-1B
00:28:05.060visas or other forms of offshore. And we've been seeing this since the 1990s. On top of all that,
00:28:10.500we are having not just a competency crisis of institutional knowledge being disappeared by0.55
00:28:14.820elderly white men retiring or, you know, competent people not getting jobs, but also, you know, now0.86
00:28:20.580our migrant farm labor is also causing various problems with the food. You know, of course,0.92
00:28:27.160diarrhea let us as people like to joke about but all that being said or and i think what it kind
00:28:31.620of goes to show is is that the affordability question is the one i think that's going to be
00:28:36.380played front and center um going forward and i mean like the late you know senator john mccain
00:28:41.300his daughter had said like if someone like ma'am donnie's rhetoric is popular in 28 the gop is
00:28:47.040gonna have a problem i don't agree with mccain's period but when she's saying that i think she's
00:28:51.540got a very valid point that the affordability crisis is going to continuously be front center
00:28:56.380even if the economy on paper is looking good if there is information that can be pointed out for
00:29:01.300a lot of young disenfranchised people left right and center to say that like uh you know the average
00:29:06.580home buyer is either 40 and older um houses are getting more and more expensive we're focusing
00:29:11.600more on 401ks and if you're not playing the wonderful meme game of coins and tokens and
00:29:17.740playing the stock market and you're not working an additional two jobs on the side you know then
00:29:22.340things are going to be very tough for you now don't get me wrong there's a lot of personal
00:29:25.600decisions that that individual probably made in their life that they probably could have done
00:29:29.320better but it's very hard to tell someone like well you should have just made the right decision0.85
00:29:33.600because then all of a sudden you just turn into the boomer saying well you shouldn't have
00:29:36.680majored in lesbian dance theory because even a lot of jobs that were economically viable in terms of
00:29:42.740you know diplomas and degrees 10 years ago they're not economically viable anymore due to either the
00:29:48.120job market getting tighter um offshoring of positions ai and other things like that that
00:29:54.120make the dsa and that make america's position on the national stage a very tenuous one because
00:30:00.900we're opening the world to everyone else to come in and you top this all off with the birthright
00:30:06.320citizenship decision from the supreme court they now have an effective means to continue to have
00:30:10.460power for years on end and the one person on the american right or at least in the american
00:30:15.100conservative movement that had a finger on the pulse on this issue unfortunately was killed by
00:30:20.020a disgusting degenerate over a almost a year ago now and i think that that's the most tragic part
00:30:25.660of all this is that the person who knew exactly what time it was was killed by the very radicals
00:30:30.720that he tried to argue against if there's one person who would have been able to drag the party
00:30:36.560kicking and screaming into the future and addressing young people yeah it would have been
00:30:41.060charlie kirk right and so uh you know losing him yeah horrific and uh you know sadly perhaps the
00:30:49.660most effective political assassination in American history. That said, it is concerning
00:30:57.480that the cost will, as you say, the affordability issue will continue to be front and center
00:31:04.760because I don't think that Republicans are ready to address this at all. Trump ran on the idea
00:31:10.660that he was going to be reducing these prices, among other things. And of course, now we're
00:31:16.360looking at, you know, two more dead American troops from exchanges of fire with Iran, which
00:31:22.400means we're only going to be extending this war longer, which means the gas prices are going back
00:31:27.040up. And as you head towards midterms, I mean, even the strongest of plan trusters were telling
00:31:31.580me, well, yeah, obviously we need to be out of there by June, you know, so that the gas prices
00:31:35.960can fall and people can forget and Republicans can win in November. Well, now it's, you know,
00:31:41.600the end of july and obviously we're not going anywhere this war is not going to be wrapped up
00:31:46.460for at least another month if we're extremely lucky uh and uh you know that we're we're just
00:31:51.800not going to see this go away and you know there are very few things ultimately that the president
00:31:56.600probably can do to control affordability but one of them is not fighting wars that affect your gas
00:32:02.260prices uh and uh everyone's going to remember all these people who are talking about the
00:32:06.440affordability issue they're going to remember that uh in november now i don't think there's
00:32:10.180any way to avoid that. And this is going to only increase, obviously, the problems that we're going
00:32:15.280to be facing. But, you know, the communists are not going to stop radicalizing. The young people
00:32:20.760are increasingly going to find fewer and fewer options as a way forward. And so they're going
00:32:25.700to buy into whatever system they can. The people who are being imported are going to continue1.00
00:32:30.940to vote for whatever redistribution will allow them more in the country, not caring about the1.00
00:32:37.980future of the country or whatever specific economic ideology ultimately undergirds the
00:32:42.180entire thing. And it seems almost impossible to just shake people awake from this. You know,
00:32:47.320we're still seeing, you know, as you say, I'm more than happy to acknowledge that personal
00:32:53.540agency is a thing, that the most important thing you can do is make your life better. You're the
00:32:57.400only, that's the thing you have maximum control over. So sitting around and complaining about
00:33:01.060the position, the system by itself is not going to be fruitful, right? So I agree with people
00:33:05.660there. Ultimately, Jordan Peterson's bootstrap, make up your room, make your bed, clean up your
00:33:12.520room advice is the best for an individual person. But the idea that a political movement will not
00:33:18.920address these issues at scale is suicidal. And I just keep seeing people wanting to return back
00:33:24.680to the Republican rhetoric of, well, just follow the rules, keep your nose clean, work inside the
00:33:30.500system, and we will see the change. That will get you ahead. As they're welcoming all these
00:33:36.800people in, as they're devaluing the dollars that people are making, as they're importing people to
00:33:42.640replace American workers, as they are refusing to address these systemic issues of anti-white
00:33:49.380discrimination and other things and hiring processes, the university system, everything
00:33:54.080locking young people out of improving their lives. And yeah, as I've said many times, if you're
00:33:59.920if you're truly worried about the radicalization of young men in this country especially young
00:34:04.520white men the best thing you could do is address their issues is deal with the problems that
00:34:08.660they're facing and that's the one thing that everyone seems just you know unwilling to do
00:34:12.440they refuse to treat these things as valid they mock anybody who tries saying ultimately well
00:34:18.380you know don't you understand that you're just you're just becoming a woke whiner you're becoming
00:34:22.800of you know victim mentality and again you know there is some truth to being uh you know careful
00:34:28.480about leaning too hard into the idea of being a victim. But if you are entirely unwilling to
00:34:33.840address these things, then I really have no sympathy for you when these things really blow
00:34:38.340up in your face, when the backlash really comes. Because ultimately, you have just kicked the can
00:34:43.080down the road, denied repeatedly, and you have, as the Bible says, the father, do not frustrate
00:34:48.920your children. Do not sit there mocking their problems or their issues, pretending like there's
00:34:53.660nothing that they could face that is difficult. Because if you do that, ultimately, these people
00:34:58.360will turn on you they will resent you and they will seek revenge uh and you know you can mock0.98
00:35:03.580that all you want you can laugh at all you want you can you can say that they're losers uh they're0.92
00:35:07.540incels uh whatever you you know make you make up whatever uh insults you need uh but do not be0.59
00:35:13.260surprised when they continue to go you know looking for guys like andrew tate don't don't
00:35:17.160be surprised when their solutions become uh you know you know rampant uh and kind of more third
00:35:22.620world uh orientations or or communism because ultimately you've offered them nothing and you've
00:35:27.660told them you will never offer them anything and they just need to figure it out even though
00:35:31.500you're actively looking to destroy their ability to move forward through your own selfishness and
00:35:36.080i just it baffles me that no matter how many times we see the strategy fail it seems to be
00:35:41.340the only thing conservatives are willing to invest in yeah and i again i think that it really kind of
00:35:46.680just goes to show where the last 10 years of sort of some of this online spaces have sort of developed
00:35:53.740and what's been taken on by, you know, sort of the conservative establishment.
00:35:57.760And I think one of the biggest things that has been taken and adopted, I think, both
00:36:01.960for a form of edginess, but also for a form of, you know, being able to communicate with
00:36:05.700the youth, of course, has been our meme culture.
00:36:08.300Like, I know that this take will probably get me in trouble to some extent, but in a
00:36:13.660large part, I think that, you know, whether we're making fun and we're saying like Star
00:36:17.020Wars names, or we come up and we quote tweet profile pictures, or we cite phrases and
00:36:23.360terms like the long house or you know the the glove shittos of the world or whatever all of
00:36:29.060those things i think in a large degree do kind of ossify the mind and it makes some form of clear
00:36:34.060thinking impossible um you know neoreactionary had sort of that stuff as well where you could
00:36:38.860just you know blame everything on this ephemeral cathedral and then not really explain what that
00:36:42.500meant and you could just use that as your mental model even though it's not very uh thought out
00:36:47.460and it's not structured very well and it sort of ossifies the mind and in fact all that it's done
00:36:52.560has created this calcification of your own thought process on how do we overcome these problems.
00:36:56.920And of course, that also means that if we say like, oh, these are feds or oh, this is from the
00:37:01.560SPLC, you've created effectively a thought terminating cliche that fundamentally leaves
00:37:05.900you out of touch with a lot of younger white Americans that feel disenfranchised and feel
00:37:11.780like a foreigner in their own country and are willing to take action in whatever way that that
00:37:16.000means to do so, whether that's within the confines of the Republican Party or their local political
00:37:21.260apparatus or they're willing to look towards the radicals and this is a big part of what had the
00:37:26.020online right move in all of its various further right-wing directions that we would see from the
00:37:31.160average republican politician and so i think that you know when clear thinking becomes impossible
00:37:35.940through our own sort of memetic frameworks that we have a real problem on our hands because you're
00:37:40.500absolutely right you know you're you're leaving a lot of people wondering like well why don't they
00:37:44.400listen to us and say well they are listening and they're adapting these memes and they're talking
00:37:48.160about all sorts of things going down from nixon maxing down to the long house down to even like
00:37:55.340luxury boomer communism like these phrases oftentimes stop the brain or stop people from
00:38:01.720thinking well how do i actually address the problem of the issue that's being turned into a
00:38:06.620meme itself and i think that that kind of becomes really front and center when we look at our
00:38:11.160current political moment like yeah we can quote we we have our little echo chamber on the most
00:38:15.700important social media platform on earth, which is Twitter right now. And don't get me wrong,
00:38:19.840it's very important that we have it. I'm glad Elon Musk purchased it. I'm glad that we still have
00:38:23.380some semblance of freedom of speech on one platform. But at the same time, there's plenty
00:38:29.260of other ways in which the left knows that they can organize and that a lot of people are going
00:38:33.120to stay happily on a bubble. And we saw this too, with sort of the red wave that was predicted
00:38:38.600in the Biden administration's midterm election. We had really hyped ourselves up online saying
00:38:44.460like we were actually going to do well. We were going to make Biden a lame duck. And that didn't0.97
00:38:48.020happen, despite all evidence to the contrary online. And I think that we need to be very
00:38:53.300mindful of that going forward, that we too can become just as out of touch as those that are
00:39:00.260in Congress right now. And overall, I think when we take a look at the economic issues that people
00:39:04.900are concerned about, whether it's affordability or what can I pass down to my kids, or I'm thinking
00:39:09.500about getting a second job or a side hustle to make things, you know, to make ends meet,
00:39:14.200it really does go to show that as the war continues and as our politicians don't really
00:39:18.560seem to have a clear line of direction on how to govern the country, they have no problem,
00:39:23.200you know, talking about amnesty for the 20th time in a row, despite constantly getting harassed by
00:39:27.880the base to not vote for it. You know, they haven't been able to pass a full budget, I think,
00:39:32.320since 1997 and have actual, you know, governing policies in place. But overall, like this is
00:39:38.420where we're at is uh you know more generations becoming out of touch through the very tools in
00:39:42.700which they use to gain elections and to gain their victories while at the same time the left has no0.94
00:39:47.240problem siding with the stranger siding with the foreigner to burn down the homeland and destroy it
00:39:52.280from within and countless conservatives will engage in thought terminating cliches just so
00:39:57.900they feel good about themselves uh when they call you know activists on the right feds or spLC plants
00:40:05.560and things like that so overall or and i think it becomes just really important on our end and
00:40:10.680our side of things to engage with the data and the facts and the reality on the ground rather than
00:40:17.720sort of with the the memes or the the discourse of the day etc etc because overall that sort of
00:40:24.420leaves us fundamentally unprepared for what's to come and um as i've written before and as i've
00:40:29.500said elsewhere on the show uh you know a lot of people thought we were going to get this real
00:40:32.640turning moment, but instead we have sort of this pastiche anti-woke neoconservatism that has
00:40:38.200certainly taken hold of large swathes of the American conservative movement, while at the
00:40:43.040same time lambasting those that I think see the writing on the wall. And I don't want another
00:40:47.600generation of beautiful losers, and I don't want another generation of America Cassandras like0.82
00:40:51.920Pat Buchanan, because the enemy's already inside the gates, and they're telling you exactly how1.00
00:40:56.360they're going to import more people in here to rule over you. Yeah, you were certainly vindicated
00:41:01.620on that prediction and i have to say uh yeah it's great of course to have you know it was thrilling
00:41:08.400to see the president post something that i i had put on twitter and you know to have the dhs use
00:41:14.360my memes and i think we all got excited for a minute to see kind of these corridors of power
00:41:20.320using our phrases using our words speaking our language um but ultimately if the actions don't
00:41:26.780follow right like the da it's nice that the dhs posts my memes but where are my deportations man
00:41:31.680like that's that yeah that that's what i care about and so uh maybe they've gotten better at
00:41:36.780messaging to a certain crowd appealing to it um we know that there's a lot of uh young online uh
00:41:43.200guys in the administration you know and and so clearly they're mastering that language uh but if
00:41:49.160there's no follow through you know like you know marco rubio has given some you know great speeches
00:41:53.840But if I ultimately don't see a radical shift in foreign policy that benefits my country, then what is the value of that rhetoric, right?
00:42:01.940Like, ultimately, we need to see words and action combined. And it seems in many ways that there's often a subversion of that communication to bring us back into, as you say, kind of this anti-woke neoconservatism to kind of recapture, you know, and in many ways, you know, as much as we like to mock boomers for their catchphrases about small government and taxes and everything else, there seems to be a possibility of, you know, the next generations.
00:42:31.940also being captured by a slightly more, uh, edgy and online, uh, uh, slogans, but ultimately
00:42:38.600ones that don't, uh, you know, follow through with any kind of real action, which again is
00:42:42.860why it's so frustrating that people are so willing to rapidly criticize those who are
00:42:47.480organizing on the right, uh, and, and treat that as something dangerous because if it's
00:42:51.840all just catchphrases, it's a, if I'm look, I'm good at making catchphrases.
00:42:56.180I appreciate, you know, when people like my work, but ultimately that itself is not enough,
00:43:00.940You know, and if that's all that gets taken away from this, you know, there is a great line from Pat Buchanan who said, you know, in the 80s, you know, the Reagan administration, we had all the ideas.
00:43:11.760We thought we'd, you know, we've been told forever that it was the ideas and the experts and the arguments.
00:43:15.620And once we had those down, we would win the day.
00:43:18.700You know, that's what the battle was all about.
00:43:20.020And then we had all that stuff and we lost.
00:43:22.640And the moment realized that actually that's not what matters.
00:43:25.680And so I fear that there's this temptation to once again get caught in the idea that we can kind of just explain our way out of it, debate our way out of it, when what's really necessary is a lot of hard on the ground work and real action that people are just not willing to engage in.
00:43:41.900Not only are they not willing to engage in it, they seem to actively attack those that do.
00:44:12.000Visit shell.ca slash loyalty for full details.
00:44:16.320Yeah, and I think that, again, this is not to be doom and gloom.
00:44:20.660This is not to save this behind the the the courage of a podcast, Mike, or however so many people like to, you know, dismiss people they disagree with.
00:44:30.360But this is why I think it becomes so important to bring your ideas into a quote from a to a quote from a priest.
00:44:38.480I quite like, you know, you have to bring them into 3D.
00:44:41.120You know, you cannot simply engage from behind the mic.
00:44:44.260You simply cannot engage from behind the phone on the Twitter account or the group chat.
00:44:49.300Like these things also require you to be in person. And this is why as much as there's debates over, you know, how do I get involved or what do I do?
00:44:57.720I mean, the world really is your oyster when there is so much institutional knowledge about how, you know, even the smallest minutia of government work.
00:45:04.720um because again as someone who's worked in local politics and in local state government
00:45:09.220i cannot begin to behoove younger people especially those who have been the most
00:45:14.080disenfranchised and discriminated against young white guys from organizing um in every way possible
00:45:19.220in which they can because you are going to be the people that will put the right ideas in front of
00:45:24.280you know the opportunity of the real decision makers and if you're not there actually doing it
00:45:29.180then you're only going to be on the sidelines just like every other boomer that yells at their tv
00:45:34.920Say what you will about any organization,
00:46:00.600also with just making sure that your town1.00
00:46:02.520is not ran, uh, by idiots. And I mean, Texas is a good example. I mean, you know, people will move1.00
00:46:08.820here. Some will just simply try and accept the fact that they've gotten away from how bad things
00:46:12.540are in California, but those that move here and are willing to do everything that it takes to
00:46:17.240preserve the red state factor of the state or the city that they live in. I mean, the city of Irving
00:46:22.740is a really good example of that, how a lot of work had been done to kind of organize and try
00:46:26.820and keep things in a more Republican direction, despite the changing demographics and politics
00:46:31.120So the city is a really good example of this. The election of Beau French to be the Republican primary winner of the Texas Railroad Commission is another excellent example of this, that it requires you to be on the ground.
00:46:43.660And I mean, as a personal story of mine from where I worked, there was a small town that I used to oversee working for a certain planning organization.
00:46:52.700And, you know, the mayor had just up and died of a heart attack.
00:46:57.100And all of a sudden, 20 years of institutional knowledge just disappeared.
00:47:02.000And you have to then basically train someone from scratch on how all these policies work, how all this grant stuff works, how all this funding operates.
00:47:09.320and if you're not willing to learn these things then the democrat activist or the dsa socialist
00:47:15.960that wears you know a mask and talks about pronouns all the time they're going to be the
00:47:19.920one to step up and i cannot behoove your listeners especially the younger guys anyone who is my age
00:47:27.020and younger 30 and below to get organized because you've probably been already you know
00:47:32.380enculturated in the online political space since you were much younger than i was um and you already
00:47:38.140know how bad things are. You are aware of the laws and you were intelligent enough to navigate
00:47:42.940where things are. The average person can't tell you who their county commissioner is, let alone
00:47:46.660their state representative. There is so much work that you can take advantage of because no one
00:47:53.200knows the bare necessities of how to even engage with that system politically. Are you at the
00:47:59.120disadvantage because the left already knows this and gets the money and is sponsored and subsidized
00:48:03.100by the state to do so? Yes, absolutely. But I would much rather side with the 25-year-old who's
00:48:08.800way more radical than I am and wants to make a difference in his local town and asking me about0.98
00:48:13.780grants or whatever than someone who simply says, yeah, well, this sucks. I'd rather be with the0.87
00:48:19.020young guy who might even call me for being too much of a downer or panicking because at least
00:48:24.200that guy has the motivation or the belief that things can get better. And I have the same belief.
00:48:28.300um so as bad as things are and as oftentimes we kind of ossify our mind with these memes
00:48:34.040there is a lot of work that can be done and with the rhetoric that gets put out whether it's by
00:48:38.380marco rubio or by um senator schmidt and countless others i think that there's a lot of groundwork
00:48:44.500to be laid with that rhetoric that the next generation much younger and much more you know
00:48:49.780bloodthirsty than ourselves uh can take advantage of and i wholeheartedly will do everything in my
00:48:54.740power uh to make that happen well i think that's a word encouragement we should absolutely go out
00:49:00.560on so uh of course it's always great speaking with you matt and guys we are uh pre-recorded
00:49:06.560today so we can't take any questions sadly uh however uh matt where can people go to find your
00:49:12.120great work yeah or and as always it's always a pleasure to be on the show um you know at the
00:49:16.820time of this recording i was on jenna ellis's program earlier this morning so you guys can by
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