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00:00:30.000 hey everybody how's it going thanks for joining me this afternoon i've got a great stream with

00:00:44.380 a great guest that i think you're really going to enjoy we've been going through john glub's

00:00:49.680 the fate of empires it's been a fascinating stream with my friend here news fist and last

00:00:55.920 time we started to talk about Glove's idea of the age of intellectualism. He has all these different

00:01:01.220 ages that empires go through, the age of a kind of conquest and expansion, the age of commerce and

00:01:07.360 wealth, the age of intellectualism. And he was saying in the last passage before we stopped in

00:01:14.120 our last episode that the age of intellectualism signals this moment where you have universities

00:01:20.780 everywhere where credentialism reigns where all of a sudden people are very interested

00:01:25.380 in the life of the mind that the intellect is the most important thing but ultimately there can be

00:01:30.500 great weaknesses that this can signal a moment of collapse or heading towards decline so even

00:01:37.140 though you would think of this as a triumphant moment in the modern day since we love the idea

00:01:41.520 of the intellect we love the idea of IQ and and you know credentials as being the most important

00:01:47.740 thing in the world. Actually, for Glob, this is an inevitable step towards the decline of that

00:01:53.760 empire. So joining me today to continue that series is, of course, News Fist. Thanks for

00:01:58.680 coming on, man. Always a pleasure, Warren. Thanks for having me back, mate. Absolutely. Well, we

00:02:03.620 will just jump directly into the document here. Again, this is John Glob's essay, The Fate of

00:02:08.780 Empires. And we are on number 19 here, The Effects of Intellectualism. He says,

00:02:16.000 there are so many things in human life which are not dreamt in our popular philosophy the spread

00:02:21.300 of knowledge seems to be the most beneficial of human activities and yet very every period of

00:02:26.880 decline is characterized by this expansion of intellectual activity all the athenians and

00:02:32.300 and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else but either to tell or to hear

00:02:38.400 some new thing is the description given in the acts of the apostles of the decline of the greek

00:02:44.980 greek intellectualism the age of intellect is accompanied by surprising advances in natural

00:02:50.320 science in the 9th century for example in the age of muman the arabs measured the circumference of

00:02:57.000 the earth with remarkable accuracy seven centuries were to pass before western europe discovered

00:03:02.080 the world was not flat less than 50 years after the amazing scientific discoveries under mammon

00:03:08.420 the arab empire collapsed wonderful and beneficent as was the progress of science it did not save 0.90

00:03:15.920 the empire from chaos the full flowering of arab and persian intellectualism did not occur until 0.98

00:03:21.700 after their imperial and political collapse therefore the intellectuals attained fresh 0.99

00:03:26.940 triumphs in the academic field but politically they became the most abject servants of the

00:03:32.320 often illiterate rulers. When the Mongols conquered Persia in the 13th century, they were 0.68

00:03:40.100 themselves entirely uneducated and were obliged to depend wholly on native Persian officials

00:03:46.760 to administer the country and to collect the revenue. They retained as wazir or prime minister

00:03:53.500 one Rashad al-Din, a historian of international repute. Yet the prime minister, when speaking to

00:04:01.460 the mongol khan was obliged to remain throughout the interview on his knees at the state banquet

00:04:07.720 the prime minister stood behind the khan's seat to wait upon it if the khan were in a good mood

00:04:13.440 he would occasionally pass his wazir a piece of food over his shoulder in the case of the

00:04:18.080 athenians intellectualism led to discussion debate and argument such as is typical in western nations

00:04:24.200 today debate is elected debates in elected assemblies or local committees and articles

00:04:30.180 of the press or interviews of on television endless and incessant talking men are interminably

00:04:35.620 different and intellectual arguments rarely lead to agreement thus public affairs drift

00:04:40.760 from bad to worse amid an unceasing cacophony of argument but this constant dictation of

00:04:48.020 discussion seems to destroy the power of action amid a babble of talk the ship drifts onto the

00:04:55.820 rocks. So once again, this seems incredibly prescient, right? Like this describes so much

00:05:01.880 of what we're seeing in the world today. We love democracy. We love the idea of debate that we're

00:05:07.320 getting, you know, the marketplace of ideas will win the day. We love this idea. Everyone in our

00:05:13.340 society needs to go to college. Everyone needs to be able to defend things intellectually. But this

00:05:19.160 is an idea that we see echoed in so many thinkers like Oswald Spangler or Friedrich Nietzsche.

00:05:25.280 The idea that once a society has fallen into this intellectualism, where all they want to do is talk and debate, justify themselves rationally, ultimately, this is kind of the draining away of the spirit.

00:05:36.860 And I love how he speaks here, how so many of these great civilizations continued to have alerted men, continued to have scientific advancements, but ultimately they were subservient to the barbarians.

00:05:48.060 the barbarians were the ones who utilized them because ultimately all of this intellectualism

00:05:52.880 could not help them to truly maintain their independence i mean the the story of um the

00:05:59.000 vizier and uh the khan is very very interesting right so the khan needs the vizier to keep running 0.51

00:06:07.400 the taxation system presumably i imagine that's the only thing that the mongol that the khan really

00:06:11.960 cared about was give me more money and uh although the vizier was uh undoubtedly a skilled

00:06:18.200 administrator when it came to the application of sudden and brutal force it was clearly the 0.80

00:06:24.740 mongols who won out i think this is probably like the central dynamic that that we're examining

00:06:30.900 here right when um when you have sort of a group that is purely just dependent upon the application

00:06:38.600 of force looting expansion everything's very very simple really uh you know these these groups they

00:06:45.500 tend to be sort of like highly defined for example it's like it's a clan so you're either part of our

00:06:50.760 clan in which case you're part of the army you get a share of the gold and the women and you know we

00:06:55.200 will you know conquer the degenerate uh elites in this other country they have like all the gold and

00:07:02.180 the the soft beautiful women but uh fundamentally this sort of inward looking in this discord leads

00:07:10.620 to the sort of backgrounding of the use of sudden and overwhelming force you could you could even

00:07:17.600 say that this is you know in in modern society the way that uh we have given up the death penalty 1.00

00:07:22.460 is a really really good example of this and you know instead of you know the the the mongols for 0.84

00:07:27.400 example would probably i don't know i i guess uh many societies would say you know why did you not 0.84

00:07:34.780 have this person put to death and if you know oh well you know we we debated about it and you know

00:07:40.360 we decided this and so i don't know so everything begins to get more complicated and i think the

00:07:45.460 other thing that happens is that this is an inevitable result of bureaucracy at scale so you

00:07:50.780 get these uh like you know in in the case of uh the vizier uh he's leading sort of a large

00:07:57.300 bureaucracy that's like good for taxation public works all these things that we would regard as

00:08:01.780 as a modern society but becomes incredibly susceptible to the use of overwhelming uh and

00:08:10.200 uncompromising force yeah i should recognize that as vizier is that a british thing spelling uh

00:08:16.740 vizier is with a w is that like color with a u or civilization with an s that's probably the arabic

00:08:23.180 spelling given that grub is an arabic scholar it's it's it's probably it's probably like actually

00:08:28.440 wazier i don't know i didn't speak arabic sure sure he clearly means vizier in right right yeah

00:08:35.260 um so you know this is interesting i mean uh another example of this of course would be the

00:08:40.640 Greeks uh the Romans conquered the Greeks uh famously uh they ultimately uh absorbed Hellenic

00:08:47.080 culture and uh you know made it their own uh in many interesting ways uh the Greeks were a critical

00:08:52.960 part of Roman culture a lot of important business was uh discussed in Greek uh as as a language of

00:08:59.620 commerce that kind of thing uh but ultimately uh even though the Greeks were incredibly intelligent

00:09:05.820 A lot of their philosophy was highly regarded.

00:09:08.760 Obviously, their culture and pantheon were critical.

00:09:11.920 Ultimately, the Greeks ended up being the slaves of the Romans.

00:09:15.120 Now, in many cases, they were the tutors.

00:09:17.300 They were the scholars.

00:09:18.760 They were the bookkeepers.

00:09:19.860 They were doing what we would consider high-status jobs in kind of the modern world.

00:09:24.680 But it was all ultimately something that was done as a slave. 0.98

00:09:29.840 They were the subservient class. 0.98

00:09:32.380 So, yes, they were more intelligent in many ways. 1.00

00:09:34.720 They were more cultured in many ways. They were more capable intellectually and scientifically, but ultimately it didn't matter because the Romans were young. They were hungry. They had that energy. 0.64

00:09:44.160 I just got done reading The Birth of Tragedy with Nietzsche, and he has in the middle of that book a discussion about how Socrates kind of kills the Dionysian in the Greeks, that the rise of Socrates shifts the idea of morality from evil being something that is endured, that is natural.

00:10:07.000 This is what the tragic element of life to something that can be avoided through proper education, that rigorous education and intellectualism will ultimately ameliorate your suffering, your personality flaws, increased virtue, these kind of things.

00:10:23.720 And so now, you know, morality is something that consists of being the righteous man is he who can kind of ultimately justify his actions intellectually. Right. And that's the key.

00:10:37.000 And so, again, it's interesting. Oswald Spangler talks about how books, philosophies, these things are written at the end of civilizations because that's after everything has revealed itself.

00:10:49.540 The scholars can go through and pick through the bones and the pieces of the men of action and ultimately kind of assess what's going on and put these things together.

00:10:59.620 But it's very, very interesting that throughout all of these thinkers, we see this constant emphasis on the transition from a civilization of action, of vitality, to one that is waning even as it understands things.

00:11:14.820 It might be growing in wisdom, but it is no longer capable of action, no longer capable of growth, no longer fecund.

00:11:23.220 And so it really seems that there is a tradeoff here.

00:11:26.200 And so that says a lot about our society, you know, the Western society.

00:11:31.740 But yes, but also, you know, think of a place like South Korea, where there's so much emphasis placed on getting into university, getting good jobs.

00:11:40.500 You know, kids go to school and then to tutoring 12, 13, 14 hours a day, that kind of thing.

00:11:46.800 So they can be competitive. But they're not having children.

00:11:49.080 South Korea is dying. Because ultimately, while they're focused so much on these degrees and the

00:11:55.620 status that comes from going to universities and the advancements in the learning, they don't have

00:12:00.920 kids. They don't live their lives. So there does seem to be this very real trade-off with becoming

00:12:08.180 educated, becoming a power that is making these advancements in the realm of the intellect,

00:12:14.280 But then not being able to protect yourself, sustain yourself, grow, can just continue to thrive. And you will ultimately become the servant of other civilizations. So I think that should be a real warning to people in the United States, Britain, all over the West, that just because you think you're intelligent, as we've seen, sadly, many times in the American military recently, we might have all the cool stuff.

00:12:41.740 We might have all the technological advancements. We might have all the highest technology, but we're repeatedly defeated by goat herders because they simply want it more.

00:12:51.340 They feel these things very existentially and are able to fight in a way that we as people who are very keen to avoid loss, to avoid bloodshed, to pay real prices, we're not willing to. 1.00

00:13:06.720 And so when you get in a war with people who are willing to blow up their civilization and you're not willing to kind of put everything on the line, you're going to lose.

00:13:14.760 You're going to lose because you just don't care enough.

00:13:17.520 Yeah, but more than that, like, what do you do with your warriors in an advanced society?

00:13:22.220 Okay, right.

00:13:22.660 So the warriors that sort of typify the original, like, sort of bursting out phase are violent, extreme, right?

00:13:32.560 they are like you know they're they're liable to like fly off the handle at any moment again

00:13:38.040 think of the think of the khan and and the vizier right the the vizier knows all this stuff about

00:13:43.720 administration but at any moment the khan could just flip out and be like off with his head um

00:13:49.140 you don't these people you you see this in revolutions a lot actually um the the sort of

00:13:56.980 the the highly sort of militaristic people um become a hindrance to stability because you know

00:14:03.200 they you know they they they wander around and they like want stuff and the administration is

00:14:07.840 like constantly afraid of them because they could be overthrown and so there's only a few things

00:14:12.480 really you can do with them you know you can send them overseas to uh try and you know get them out

00:14:17.140 of the country start a war somewhere else you can try and like farm them off um by sending them out

00:14:21.800 into the country and get them to you know sort of like have farms with with slaves but always

00:14:26.740 always always there is the undercurrent of the threat of extreme violence which is the one thing

00:14:33.220 that the administrative class absolutely hates more than anything else so the administrative

00:14:37.440 class wants not exactly warriors but i guess um janissaries you know like um highly controlled

00:14:48.160 uh like a highly controlled highly disciplined military that will under no circumstances turn

00:14:54.780 that military force upon the administrators and i think this is one of the reasons why they're

00:14:59.740 often like put into foreign wars or they're turned upon the population excessive taxation and this

00:15:05.040 kind of like military go together hand in glove you know because you you know you have these kind

00:15:10.100 of people they enjoy brutalizing other people you're like well i'll tell you what instead of

00:15:14.840 like brutalizing people in the government why don't you go out to the provinces and you can

00:15:18.280 brutalize all the peasants that you want and we'll even like pay you money to you know this is the

00:15:22.800 thing that the the skills that make an empire are not are often not the same skills that you need to

00:15:29.140 maintain one if that makes sense right no and it does and uh for people who may wonder hey why does

00:15:35.120 the american military move their officers you know around so much why they move them every couple

00:15:40.420 years well that's not a mistake they do that because they're trying to discourage personal

00:15:44.500 loyalty to military officers because every revolution begins with hey uh you know the

00:15:50.660 colonel said that we don't have to take this from the government and let's go uh you know storm this

00:15:54.900 thing and so they move the officers around so no troop serves under the same officer for too long

00:16:00.660 and they can build up that rapport so even the basic structure of our military is specifically

00:16:05.860 designed to make sure it doesn't threaten the civilian command the bureaucracy by that rotation

00:16:11.580 so there's just a lot of aspects as you say deployment uh you know the rotation all these

00:16:16.220 things are all built into the system to ensure that you never have that kind of trust built up

00:16:21.120 so you could have that threat to the the empire itself uh do you want to take also why they use

00:16:26.840 sorry this is also why they use migrants in police as well yes 100 do you want me to do the next one 0.93

00:16:32.600 if you don't mind sure 20 the inadequacy of intellect perhaps the most dangerous byproduct 0.95

00:16:40.940 of the age of intellect is the unconscious growth of the idea that the human brain can solve the

00:16:46.520 problems of the world even on the low level of practical affairs this is patently untrue any

00:16:53.120 small human activity the local balls club or the ladies luncheon club requires for its survival a

00:16:58.660 measure of self-sacrifice and service on the part of the members in a wider national sphere the

00:17:04.360 survival of the nation depends basically on the loyalty and self-sacrifice of the citizens the

00:17:09.380 impression that the situation can be saved by mental cleverness without unselfishness or human

00:17:14.540 self-dedication can only lead to collapse thus we see that the cultivation of the human intellect

00:17:21.180 seems to be a magnificent ideal but only on condition that it does not weaken unselfishness

00:17:27.220 and human dedication to service yet this judging by historical precedent seems to be exactly what

00:17:33.580 it does do perhaps it is not the intellectualism which destroys the spirit of self-sacrifice

00:17:39.080 the least we can say is that the two intellectualism and the loss of a sense of duty

00:17:45.840 appear simultaneously in the life story of the nation indeed it often appears in individuals

00:17:51.520 that the head and the heart are natural rivals the brilliant but cynical intellectual appears

00:17:56.560 at the opposite end of the spectrum from the emotional self-sacrifice of the hero or the

00:18:00.920 martyr yet there are times when the perhaps unsophisticated self-dedication of the hero

00:18:06.020 is more essential than the sarcasms of the clever yeah yeah again beautifully put by glub here and

00:18:14.460 uh i think we can see this over and over again again just looking at the military situation the

00:18:19.760 america is in right now in iran uh you have the desire to basically uh win the war with minimal

00:18:27.700 loss which by the way i'm 100 behind i don't think we should be in this war in the first place

00:18:31.720 But the point is, you know, just the loss of a few troops, which, again, is tragic, by all means, people, please understand that. But, you know, we understand that in major conflicts, tens, hundreds of thousands of people dying is very normal. And without having that level of dedication, it's very hard to win those conflicts. But America simply does not have that anymore.

00:18:55.420 you know in in iraq or afghanistan we lost a good amount of troops but still nothing by world war

00:19:01.800 ii standards by that comparison the war with iran is a drop in the bucket and ultimately we still

00:19:07.760 aren't willing to kind of put ourselves in line and so you can see him saying you know you you

00:19:11.940 think that you can solve things by just being clever deploying more tactics having you know

00:19:15.960 using money using using uh you know some kind of trickery uh using advanced uh technology but it's

00:19:22.100 never enough. You ultimately have to have that self-sacrifice. You have to have that willingness

00:19:27.240 to go out there and make those dedicated choices that might cost you everything. And you need

00:19:32.700 people who are willing to do so. And I think back to put it in another frame of Vilfredo Pareto's

00:19:40.020 foxes and lions, right? We have the lions who are the crafty, the clever, the cunning. We have the

00:19:45.560 lions who are the brave, the bold, those who are willing to sacrifice physically, martial cast.

00:19:50.600 And at the beginning, we have those lions who are necessary. They need to cut a path out of the wilderness and conquer the neighbor and defend you. They are usually the dominant elites early on in the society.

00:20:04.740 But as the society increases in complexity, we see a need for more advanced social systems, you know, the management of higher complexity and order.

00:20:15.260 And so we see the foxes rise into power.

00:20:18.040 And, you know, Pareto says that at the end of many societies, it is the foxes dominating.

00:20:22.820 It is that that overwhelming amount of the intellectual, the clever.

00:20:27.280 They're the ones who who come because they're the only ones who can manage the complexity.

00:20:31.560 but ultimately this helps a drift it creates a drift because the thing that foxes do so well

00:20:37.540 is combine things take things apart and put them back together well in you know they do that often

00:20:43.040 enough then you've dismantled the thing entirely and they're they're slowly dismantling you know

00:20:47.300 i always like to say it's like a jinga tower you know you can get it pretty high by taking out

00:20:52.020 pieces from the base but eventually you're going to pull out a piece that's necessary and the tower

00:20:56.640 will fall down and so i think in many ways glub is kind of echoing this understanding that while

00:21:02.780 the sharpening of the intellect is is good uh ultimately it seems to inevitably lead to this

00:21:08.880 moment where we trick ourselves into believing everything can be solved by rearranging uh you

00:21:14.120 know ones and zeros on a screen uh rather than having to go out and do the hard work of sacrifice

00:21:18.440 in the real world wasn't it machiavelli that originally made the foxes versus lions

00:21:23.480 argument so Machiavelli uh said that you need to be both fox and lion in the prince he said like

00:21:31.060 for instance a Julius Caesar figure who's both very smart and uh and uh you know very brave

00:21:36.880 uh and then uh Pareto had the type one and type two residues uh and so then in a third iteration

00:21:43.780 John Burnham or James Burnham in the Machiavellians used Machiavelli's qualifiers for

00:21:50.020 for uh pareto's uh categories because they're too hard to explain to people because they don't know

00:21:56.460 what derivations and residues are so uh it's a weird etymology to get us there but there you go

00:22:01.580 so to go back to i think it's moscow um what kind of political formula is going to sustain

00:22:11.580 the idea of self-sacrifice i think this is one of the the real problems that modern liberalism is

00:22:18.480 facing the political formula has become so thin um the way i tend to see it is that the the only

00:22:26.140 things that people are really likely to self-sacrifice for are either sort of a clan or a

00:22:32.500 nation or some kind of you know ethnic uh togetherness or some kind of religion liberalism

00:22:40.540 as just this idea of you know sort of being vaguely nice and you know uh protect the gay

00:22:48.400 and you know uh we will keep moving forward into like a progressive utopia is not really enough

00:22:55.560 to get people to have that sort of self-sacrificial nature i think these two things sort of like work

00:23:01.440 in tandem it's probably from the point of view of the intellectuals good for them to try and widen

00:23:07.120 the political formula out so it doesn't rest purely on the military men but then eventually

00:23:12.380 when it's taken to its extreme you know i mean okay i mean america does at least have some kind

00:23:18.480 of political formula that people would uh be willing to self-sacrifice for what does europe

00:23:23.540 have like like like seriously what what is the you know i was talking to someone about this a while

00:23:29.560 back what is the european idea of self-sacrifice that would bring everyone together what even is

00:23:36.640 the political formula uh of the eu oh managerialism and you know we're we're nice and we don't like 0.74

00:23:43.360 the americans because they've got guns and you know we're all for like the gays and and migrants

00:23:48.340 that's not that's not a viable political formula which is in my opinion like why it's collapsing

00:23:54.100 so hard right sorry i didn't mean to go off on a tangent but no no by all means that's uh it's

00:23:57.860 good insight and also absolutely correct the political formula is an important thing to

00:24:02.100 Remember from our elite theory, I know a lot of people are new to the show over the last few years and maybe haven't gone back through the original kind of run of explaining elite theory.

00:24:10.820 So it's always worthwhile to go back and refresh people because that is critical.

00:24:14.400 If you do not have that internal justification for the existence of the regime that both the ruled and the ruler buy into, ultimately, it's going to collapse.

00:24:23.480 It has to.

00:24:24.620 And so you always want to keep that in mind.

00:24:26.440 What is the political formula?

00:24:27.480 we're always analyzing that when we're trying to understand the stability of regimes and the flow

00:24:32.140 of power all right uh civil dissensions another remarkable and unexpected symptom of national

00:24:40.160 decline is the intensification of internal political hatreds uh yeah this one's going to

00:24:44.720 be super relevant kids one would have expected that when the survival of the nation becomes

00:24:49.900 precarious political factions would drop their rivalry and stand shoulder to shoulder save the

00:24:54.260 country in the 14th century the weakening empire of the byzantium was threatened and indeed dominated

00:24:59.880 by the ottoman turks the situation was so serious that one would have expected every subject of

00:25:05.240 byzantium to abandon their his personal interest and stand with his compatriots in a last desperate 0.95

00:25:10.920 attempt to save the country the reverse occurred the byzantines spent the last 50 years of their 0.99

00:25:16.120 history in infighting one another in repeated civil wars until the ottomans moved in and

00:25:21.540 administered the coup de grace uh britain was uh has been governed by an elected parliament for

00:25:26.420 many centuries in former years however the rival parties observed many unwritten rules

00:25:30.700 neither party wished to eliminate the other all the members refer to one another as honorable

00:25:35.600 gentlemen but such courtesies have now lapsed booing shouting and loud noises have uh undermined

00:25:42.240 the dignity of the house and angry exchanges are more frequent we're fortunate if these rivals

00:25:47.340 have fought in parliament uh or we are fortunate if these rivals have fought fought it out in

00:25:52.500 parliament but sometimes such hatreds are carried into the streets or into industry in the forms of

00:25:57.400 strikes demonstrations boycotts and similar activities true to the normal course followed

00:26:02.360 by nations in decline internal differences are not reconciled in an attempt to save the nation

00:26:08.120 on the contrary internal rivalries become more acute as the nation becomes weaker again we can

00:26:15.300 see this everywhere right uh right now uh it feels like uh you know america and britain are

00:26:20.620 both sitting on a powder keg you know we have people talking about the likelihood of civil war

00:26:25.340 in britain people laugh about the possibility of having it in america uh but i wouldn't be so

00:26:31.460 sanguine about that i think ultimately we are seeing those tension rise and as glub says you

00:26:36.540 would think that all of these external threats would bind people together you get the rally

00:26:40.220 around the flag effect it would focus the mind uh but instead we see the internal rivalries are

00:26:45.700 the things that are really tearing everything apart uh we're obviously seeing political

00:26:49.200 assassinations in the united states and in the uk now uh which is insane uh and you know i just had

00:26:56.040 um a gentleman on who had been in the lebanon uh lebanese civil war and uh you know he pointed out

00:27:03.220 that uh when a bunch of muslims came into the country when you had all the muslims expelled

00:27:07.700 all the palestinians expelled from the creation of israel flowing into lebanon uh this became an 0.91

00:27:13.700 opportunity for factions to settle scores right using kind of this new force uh and that's uh how

00:27:19.780 the country started to fall apart and fall in the civil war and we can see this in america a lot of

00:27:25.140 people are trying to use uh you know the immigrants here as a wedge of political power uh to settle

00:27:30.980 scores this is how pretty much all uh you know great conquerors end up winning right they go

00:27:37.000 into these areas uh alexander the great he recognizes one tribe is fighting against another

00:27:41.600 or the americans see one indian tribe fighting against another and they use those differences

00:27:46.700 those unsettled uh rivalries as a way to uh co-op the people and uh you know kind of go in and

00:27:52.400 conquer because these these guys are so busy fighting each other that they're where they

00:27:56.580 would rather use the invader as a way to destroy their domestic political enemies than they would

00:28:02.540 be to actually repel those forces so again just a pattern playing out over and over again we are

00:28:08.080 seeing it very obviously in both of our countries the great conceit of democracy and managerialism

00:28:15.940 and you see this very very clearly in the united kingdom is that there is a middle way to solve

00:28:22.260 everything there is not and because uh there are certain choices that are perforce binary like do

00:28:30.140 we allow abortion or do we not right is christianity the religion of the country or not

00:28:36.080 these questions these binary questions tend to get pushed to the side because parliaments and

00:28:41.880 bureaucracies they desire consensus it's how they're built around so after a long enough time

00:28:47.340 these binary questions begin to build up and build up and build up and sooner or later you have the

00:28:52.900 kind of situation that you have in the u.s which is functionally two separate countries i've i've

00:28:56.880 thought this for for many years that's you know it's it's not just that the two americas have

00:29:03.620 different attitudes they functionally have two different languages they may use the same words

00:29:08.600 but what those words mean are very very very different and the reason is because these binary

00:29:14.080 questions have not been solved because they're put in the too hard basket and they're you know

00:29:18.500 they're pushed off and no no no they you know they they create friction and stuff like that

00:29:22.320 but sooner or later you get uh you get this sort of polarization basically happening where

00:29:27.120 enough of these binary choices have been left unresolved that you just wind up with two groups

00:29:33.260 you know each side sort of you know with a collection of these binary choices and then

00:29:38.020 you get you know civil unrest basically yeah no that's exactly right uh okay i'll do the next one 0.98

00:29:45.920 uh 2022 the influx of foreigners gee i i wonder what this is

00:29:52.340 one of the oft-repeated phenomena of great empires is the influx of foreigners to the

00:30:00.080 capital city roman historians often complain of the number of asians and africans in rome

00:30:06.640 the more things change the more they stay the same in the dad in its prime in the ninth century was

00:30:13.120 international in its population persians turks arabs armenians egyptians africans and greeks

00:30:18.740 mingled in its streets in london today cypriots greeks italians russians africans germans and

00:30:25.000 indians jostle one another on the buses and in the underground so that it sometimes seems very

00:30:30.780 difficult to find any british when was this written oh dear glob it has gotten so much worse

00:30:38.580 the same applies to new york perhaps even more so this problem does not consist in any inferiority

00:30:45.480 of one race as compared with another but simply the differences between them in the age of the

00:30:53.260 first outburst and the subsequent age of conquests the race is normally ethnically more or less

00:30:58.480 homogenous this state of affairs facilitates a feeling of solidarity and comradeship but in the

00:31:04.800 ages of commerce and affluence every type of foreigner floods into the great city the streets

00:31:10.280 of which are reputed to be paved with gold as in most cases this great city is also the capital

00:31:16.860 of the empire the cosmopolitan crowd seat of empire exercises a political influence greatly

00:31:22.680 in excess of its relative numbers second or third generation foreign immigrants may appear

00:31:29.040 outwardly to be entirely assimilated they don't even bother anymore but they often constitute a 1.00

00:31:34.020 weakness in two directions first their basic human nature often differs from that of the original

00:31:39.740 imperial stock wouldn't be able to write that today i like this if the earlier imperial race 0.58

00:31:45.800 was stubborn and slow moving the immigrants might come from more emotional races thereby

00:31:51.140 introducing cracks and schisms into the national policies even if all were equally loyal second 0.98

00:31:58.660 while the nation is still affluent all the diverse races may appear equally loyal but in an acute 0.86

00:32:04.900 emergency the immigrants will often be less willing to sacrifice their lives and their property 1.00

00:32:09.600 than will be the original descendants of the founder race he's bang on the money there 0.86

00:32:14.820 third the immigrants are liable to form communities of their own protecting primarily 0.98

00:32:21.120 their own interests and only in the second degree that of the nation as a whole fourth

00:32:27.020 many of the foreign immigrants will probably belong to races originally conquered by and 0.97

00:32:31.120 absorbed into the empire while the empire is enjoying its high noon of prosperity all these

00:32:37.100 people are proud and glad to be imperial citizens but when decline sets in it is extraordinary how

00:32:43.580 the memory of ancient wars perhaps centuries before is suddenly revived and local or provincial

00:32:49.380 movements appear demanding secession or independence someday this phenomenon will

00:32:54.280 doubtless appear in the now apparently monolithic and authoritarian soviet empire it is amazing for

00:32:59.820 how long such provincial sentiments sentiments can survive historical examples of this phenomenon

00:33:06.220 are scarcely needed the idol and uh kept captious i don't know what that means captious roman mob

00:33:13.560 oh yes i think it means um uh like quick to anger and and and sort of uh fleeting uh with its endless

00:33:22.200 appetite for free distributions of food bread and games is notorious and utterly different from that

00:33:28.460 stern roman spirit which we associate with the wars of the early republic in baghdad the golden

00:33:34.780 days of harun al-rasheed arabs were a minority in the imperial capital istanbul in the great

00:33:41.740 days of ottoman rule was people by inhabitants remarkably few remarkably few of whom were

00:33:47.100 descendants of turkish conquerors in new york descendants of the pilgrim fathers are few and

00:33:52.540 far between this interesting phenomenon is largely limited to great cities the original conquering

00:33:58.540 race is often found in relative purity in rural districts and on far frontiers which is of course

00:34:04.140 why it's important to put asylum centers up there yep it is the wealth of the great cities which

00:34:10.080 draws the immigrants as with the growth of industry cities nowadays nowadays achieve an

00:34:15.360 ever greater preponderance over the countryside so will the influence of foreigners increasingly

00:34:20.560 dominate old empires once more it may be emphasized that i do not wish to convey the 0.99

00:34:25.660 impression that immigrants are inferior to older stocks they are just different and thus they tend

00:34:30.620 to introduce cracks and divisions so obviously once again incredibly prescient like he said

00:34:38.560 you know this is written a hundred years ago and it sounds like he's complaining about being on the

00:34:42.960 subway in uh in new york or in uh the uk right now uh yeah if he if he saw things right now he

00:34:49.920 would assume that we had just collapsed a bit entirely conquered uh but uh you know he he kind

00:34:55.360 of goes with the the lib thing here right he's being a good liberal says look uh you know there's

00:34:59.420 nothing wrong with the immigrants they just have a different way of life you know they just have a

00:35:02.860 a different spirit a different understanding and he makes a great point that you know even if you

00:35:07.980 have second or third generation immigrants and they look american or british they sound american

00:35:13.980 in their you know in their accent or in their dress uh ultimately they're still going to have 0.96

00:35:19.700 these attitudes they still have uh kind of this different way of life this different understanding

00:35:24.580 And that's going to create division. That's going to create a crack in kind of the facade of the civilization. You don't have that natural unity that comes with a homogeneous culture, tradition, kinship, everything else. And so that is going to continuously show itself.

00:35:41.460 You're going to see these factions. They're going to ghettoize. They're going to create different communities. And, you know, we already see in the United States entirely Muslim cities trying to kind of build themselves, you know, places like France with their no-go zones, these kind of things.

00:35:55.880 uh you know this is the civilizational da sign this is uh the the the metaphysical spirit that

00:36:03.000 spengler talks about or you know there again so many other uh thinkers that we have discussed

00:36:07.920 have recognized this and uh it also gives that echo of that steve sailor uh invite the world

00:36:13.580 or you know invade the world invite the world right like when you conquer a place those people

00:36:18.080 come to your place as unintuitive as it seems and again it's not just american it's not just british

00:36:23.900 it's not just modern it's not just liberal we can blame those ideologies for these things we can

00:36:29.060 blame those specific empires and don't get me wrong there are individuals who do these things

00:36:33.260 wrong we should hold individuals accountable but ultimately we have to understand that this is a

00:36:37.720 cycle that repeats over and over and over again that this is something that shows itself that

00:36:43.000 manifests itself as a nation as a nation becomes an empire and perhaps empires are inevitable i

00:36:49.840 think in many ways glub is saying that they are either this this idea of kind of a more deterministic

00:36:55.300 cyclical history is often very unpopular with people because they want to believe that they

00:37:00.060 can escape the cycle that their civilization is different i hear a lot of people saying well yes

00:37:04.940 we will now acknowledge that america is an empire but it should just be a based empire it should be

00:37:09.600 just a based empire that works for americans and that sounds nice but ultimately as glub is pointing

00:37:14.820 out here just the action of empire will create the situation everyone is now angry at and this

00:37:21.080 is always kind of my point when it either whether it's scale empire democracy whatever everyone

00:37:26.580 wants to keep the system uh but they don't acknowledge how they hate the out the the 0.97

00:37:32.040 effects of the system they're all saying oh well i hate all these foreigners being in here i hate 0.92

00:37:35.840 all the division i hate the endless debate i hate the the fact that the the political system doesn't 0.66

00:37:41.680 work i i hate that uh we're all impersonal i hate the foreign influence they say they hate all these

00:37:46.840 things but they won't stop doing they won't walk away from any of this stuff and maybe you can't

00:37:51.700 right maybe that's just the way things are and we have we have to ultimately understand that and do

00:37:57.080 our best you know as kind of like spangler said optimism is cowardice and you know if you're the

00:38:02.840 roman soldier guarding the gates of uh pompeii as the lava flows in then it's your job to stand

00:38:08.840 there and take your noble death maybe that is just the way things are uh but it is amazing that

00:38:14.200 people think that we can kind of just keep all the trappings of empire but pay none of these costs

00:38:19.000 underneath this as well is the very seductive idea of the universal man right that um you know

00:38:26.980 really we're all basically the same uh you know everyone everyone wants a weather grill and you

00:38:33.780 know a wife and to go to the football and stuff like that and and as as glob says while everything

00:38:39.920 is is going swell economically while there is you know uh jobs and opportunity and you know

00:38:45.420 expansion that sort of holds together but once things start getting dire the truth reasserts

00:38:53.900 itself um it's you wouldn't be able to say this today right really but the one of the things that

00:39:00.000 universalists hate above all is just the concept of race no matter how weakly it is applied the

00:39:06.200 concept of of ethnicity the idea that there are differences in ethnicity they really don't want

00:39:12.640 to like you know and i think it might be sort of you know they uh you know i was thinking like one

00:39:18.520 of the things that might be sort of a product of getting rid of sort of like the militaristic thing

00:39:23.620 is is trying to get rid of clan rivalries right you you know particularly if you've got a bunch

00:39:29.000 of like militarized people and they've got like clan conflicts this can be very very destabilizing

00:39:32.920 within a society and so they solve that problem by like melding everyone together into this sort

00:39:37.640 of like one universal idea and so they thin out the concept of ethnos and they need more workers

00:39:42.640 for this and they thin out the concept of ethnos again and again and again and then you get the

00:39:46.680 final version which is basically sort of you know the what we've got at the moment the anti-racist

00:39:50.640 state this sort of idea where you enforce the idea that everyone is the same by literal coercive

00:39:57.500 force of the state in defiance of all reality and then when things get bad as as glub says old

00:40:04.980 rivalries or even i mean you know if you if you look at the uk they're literally importing people

00:40:09.480 from places like bloody eritreus ongoing rival there was a there was a machete fight not far

00:40:17.260 from where i am in london where like the the two sides of the eritrean civil war the tigre and um

00:40:22.340 i forget the other side they all lined up in the street and had a big machete battle

00:40:26.440 you got uh you know hutus and tootsies going at it in the middle of uh london you know yeah

00:40:32.520 precisely precisely and so you know this just becomes i i i think the i think they the to the

00:40:39.220 to the bureaucrat ethnos becomes sort of a a stumbling block right because you know ethnos

00:40:45.560 is also you're probably like gonna like have favorable treatment to those within your ethnos

00:40:49.900 so that's seen as corruption what they want is like a single sort of universal law and bureaucracy

00:40:54.900 that applies to like everyone um but by taking in people more and more and more people this gets

00:41:00.200 stretched thinner and thinner and thinner until you have the sort of political formula that

00:41:04.640 currently governs a lot of the west which is like a mile wide and like less than an inch deep you

00:41:08.720 could skip a coin off it and nobody be signing up to that uh i don't know if you know this but in uh

00:41:14.780 in minnesota we had one mayor who in order to stay in office uh basically played one somali tribe

00:41:23.400 off another uh in the town like he had to he had to exacerbate the uh the the rivalry between the

00:41:31.080 uh the Somalian tribes in order to maintain his uh you know like like he's some kind of you know

00:41:36.700 British uh chief in the middle of conquering a foreign nation um that's the state of politics

00:41:43.700 in the United States you better you better you better understand deeply the ethnic uh rivalries

00:41:48.680 of Somalians if you want to maintain political power I mean it's it it you have to laugh or you 1.00

00:41:53.900 just cry it's insane yeah absolutely yeah all right let's go on to frivolity here 23 as the

00:42:01.140 nation declines in power and wealth a universal pessimism gradually pervades the people and

00:42:06.640 itself hastens the decline there is no there is nothing succeed succeeds like success and in the

00:42:13.660 age of conquest and commerce the nation was carried triumphantly onward on a wave of its own

00:42:19.320 self-confidence republican rome was repeatedly on the verge of extinction in 390 bc when the gauls

00:42:26.260 sacked the city and in 216 bc after the battle of canny but no disaster could shake the resolution

00:42:34.320 of the early romans yet in the later stages of roman decline the whole empire was deeply

00:42:39.600 pessimistic thereby sapping its own resolution frivolity is the frequent companion of pessimism

00:42:47.580 let's eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die the resemblance between various declining nations 0.99

00:42:53.500 in this respect is truly surprising the roman mob uh we have seen demanded free meals and public 0.99

00:43:00.820 games gladiator shows uh chariot races and athletic events were their passion and the 0.98

00:43:06.980 byzantine empire the rivalries of the greens and the blues and the hippodrome attained the

00:43:10.860 importance of major crisis judging by the time and space allotted to them in the press and television

00:43:16.580 football and baseball are the activities which today's chief chiefly interests the public in

00:43:21.880 britain and the united states respectively the heroes of declining nations are always the same

00:43:26.600 athletes and singers and actors the word celebrity today is used to designate a comedian or a football

00:43:32.720 player not a statesman or a general or a literary genius yet again sounds exactly like where we're

00:43:40.460 at we literally have a reality tv star as president uh you know with our most successful politicians

00:43:45.700 are actors like ronald reagan or arnold schwarzenegger uh jesse ventura was a professional

00:43:52.340 wrestler was the governor uh obviously in the uk uh you guys also have a lot of emphasis on

00:43:58.660 celebrity. We know that everybody wants to be a star on social media or an influencer or a movie

00:44:06.800 star or a rapper or something. Very few people are interested in being, like I said, a general

00:44:13.720 or the next great novelist, that kind of thing. And so we really just see that there's this

00:44:19.600 constant slide towards this frivolity, as he's pointing to. And it is interesting that at some

00:44:25.980 point uh this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy right he says you know the idea that the civilization

00:44:30.880 is doomed that it is on the decline means fewer and fewer people are willing to sacrifice for

00:44:36.180 that doomed civilization and therefore they can't overcome so in these earlier stages when you ran

00:44:41.220 into these major battles that could have wiped you out and destroyed your society you had the

00:44:46.000 resilience you had the vitality to come back and fight for it but once people think that you're on 1.00

00:44:50.380 the decline there's nowhere to go obviously you're filled with a lot of immigrants who don't really 0.99

00:44:53.780 care about the country, uh, then more and more you find that people just lean into this. Well, 1.00

00:44:58.780 if I can't win, I might as well burn it all down mentality. Uh, we see now so many young people 1.00

00:45:03.740 in both of our, uh, both of our countries saying, well, I'm never going to have a house. I'm never

00:45:08.580 going to have kids or a family. I'm never going to have a good career. Uh, so I might as well,

00:45:12.600 you know, do a lot of sports gambling or, you know, blow my money on a lot of, uh, you know,

00:45:17.100 travel and, and food and these kinds of things, because I'm, you know, I might as well have these

00:45:21.420 small uh you know decadence uh things now because i'm never going to have the long-term things that

00:45:27.420 really build society into something great and so we just see this kind of cycle uh that self-fulfilling

00:45:32.800 prophecy of well it's already bad and i'm never going to get anywhere so i'll just do none of the

00:45:37.440 things that would get me where anyway and things just get worse and worse yeah complexity and and

00:45:42.940 nepotism uh proliferate uh with bureaucracy you know it's interesting to consider as well that

00:45:49.020 the qualities that make a good ruler in the expansive phase uh totally frowned upon during

00:45:55.940 this phrase right imagine imagine if if trump had come out and he's like um i killed a thousand men

00:46:01.160 i took their women i pray impregnated them all i've got like many kids i took all their fields 0.60

00:46:07.880 i burned their villages uh they to be fair impregnating women one might be something trump

00:46:13.740 would like that like that like that is the sort of imagine him being andrew uh jackson and just 0.89

00:46:21.560 you know dueling people and you know killing a couple guys while you know walking around with

00:46:25.820 a bullet lodged in his chest from a duel you know that they couldn't dig out right like you can't 0.84

00:46:30.140 even imagine that being a positive thing for people today that guy he showed up to the white 0.83

00:46:35.740 house i shot him in the face like it's just like it's just a very very different milieu

00:46:43.560 like like completely like the the qualities that are of like a highly militaristic highly

00:46:48.980 expansive leader i mean even even someone like like washington right like you know famously

00:46:53.260 you know we go into battle and you come back and his his you know clothes would just be full of

00:46:58.240 bullet holes and he'd be untouched and everyone would be like my god you are literally being

00:47:02.480 protected by the divine imagine like trump uh i don't know going out into iran and you know i

00:47:08.560 I mean, it's just because these societies demand very different things from their rulers.

00:47:15.140 And I think what happens in the sort of final decline phase, the frivolity phase, is that people realize that despite all of the effort they have put into intellectualism,

00:47:26.320 they have still not discovered a secret formula by which they can still continue expanding to sort of stave off the decline.

00:47:38.560 and then i think this induces this sense of pessimism um where they're just like well okay 0.86

00:47:44.860 there's you know there's you know there's nothing can be done uh i've got mine jack screw you

00:47:49.780 yeah well you know it is interesting on that note of course trump was shot uh and uh when he was

00:47:56.860 shot uh he famously you know kind of popped up and uh and the what the secret service was trying

00:48:02.660 to pull him off stage and did the whole fight fight fight thing uh obviously not the same as

00:48:06.720 going into battle uh but it is interesting that in that moment uh i think that's the thing that

00:48:11.340 terrified our elites the most right and trump sadly you know has not maintained that momentum

00:48:16.920 uh but at that moment uh he looked like a lion he looked like a guy who could lead you into battle

00:48:24.020 who could have that personal courage and sacrifice and uh like i said maybe maybe not manifesting

00:48:30.620 itself as much as we'd like but ultimately uh just the just the hint of that the shadow

00:48:35.680 of that was enough to inspire people and terrify uh the elites and i think that speaks a lot to

00:48:41.900 you know how dangerous as you say those qualities become to the current system they were necessary

00:48:47.700 for creating the empire uh but they are they are a direct threat to the political formula

00:48:52.880 that is kind of managing its decline yeah that's a really good point i forgot about butler how could

00:48:59.020 forget yeah okay 24 the arab decline in the first half of the 9th century baghdad enjoyed its high

00:49:07.880 noon as the greatest and richest capital in the world in 861 however the reigning caliph

00:49:13.200 mutawakil was murdered by his turkish mercenaries so you remember what marcovelli said about

00:49:18.720 mercenaries who set up a military dictatorship which lasted for some 30 years during this period

00:49:25.320 the empire fell apart the various dominions and provinces each assuming virtual independence and

00:49:30.560 seeking its own interests baghdad lately the capital of a vast empire found its authority

00:49:36.120 limited to iraq alone the works of contemporary historians of baghdad in the early 10th century

00:49:42.480 are still available they deeply deplored the degeneracy of the times in which they lived

00:49:47.920 emphasizing particularly the indifference to religion the increasing materialism and the

00:49:52.960 laxity of sexual morals they lamented also the corruption of the officials of the government

00:49:57.760 and the fact that politicians always seem to amass large fortunes while they were in office

00:50:02.760 the historians commented bitterly on the extraordinary influence acquired by popular

00:50:08.420 singers over young people resulting in a decline in sexual morality the pop singers of baghdad

00:50:15.160 accompanied their erotic songs on the lute an instrument resembling the modern guitar

00:50:19.680 i wonder if they had goths in baghdad in the second half of the 10th century as a result

00:50:26.960 much obscene sexual language came increasingly into use such as would not have been tolerated

00:50:32.500 in an earlier age several caliphs issued orders banning pop singers from the capital 0.99

00:50:37.800 but within a few years they always returned an increase in the influence of women in public life

00:50:43.960 has often been associated with national decline yeah the later romans complained that although 1.00

00:50:50.720 rome ruled the world women ruled rome in the 10th century a similar tendency was observable in the 0.99

00:50:57.180 arab empire the women demanding admission to the proficient sorry to the professions hitherto 0.92

00:51:02.540 monopolized by men what wrote the contemporary historian ibn bassam have the professions of

00:51:10.040 clerk tax collector or preacher to do with women these occupations have always been limited to men

00:51:16.100 alone many women practiced law while others obtained posts as university professors there

00:51:22.500 was an agitation for the appointment of female judges which however does not appear to have

00:51:27.740 succeeded soon after this period government and public order collapsed and foreign invaders

00:51:33.680 overran the country i feel like this is relevant the resulting the resulting increase in confusion

00:51:40.240 and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets with the result that

00:51:45.340 this movement collapsed i've seen this movie i've seen this movie very prescient the disorders

00:51:53.240 following the military takeover in 861 and the loss of the empire had played havoc with the economy

00:51:58.360 at such a moment it might have been expected that everyone would redouble their efforts to save

00:52:03.640 the country from bankruptcy but nothing of the kind occurred instead at this moment of declining

00:52:09.440 trade and financial stringency the people of baghdad introduced a five-day week when i first

00:52:17.000 read these contemporary descriptions of 10th century baghdad i could scarcely believe my eyes

00:52:21.500 i told myself this must be a joke the descriptions might have been taken out of the times today

00:52:26.940 oh oh glub if only you could see what we have become the resemblance of all of the details was

00:52:33.580 especially breathtaking the breakup of the empire the abandonment of sexual morality the pop 0.67

00:52:39.140 singers with their guitars the entry of women into the professions the five-day week i would not 0.54

00:52:44.720 venture to attempt an explanation there are so many mysteries about human life which are beyond

00:52:50.580 our comprehension yes well i mean i would venture an explanation glob um people become soft and they 0.99

00:52:59.780 become uh susceptible to the arguments of women and uh that generally leads to bad outcomes

00:53:06.860 yeah i mean once again just amazing amazing calling the shot uh you know 100 years out but 0.98

00:53:14.440 you know i always like to remind people that being ruled by foreigners and women is literally a

00:53:19.660 biblical curse which which which uh really riles up a lot of people who want to pretend that they're

00:53:26.420 like these really traditional christians and they really want a christian nation until we get to

00:53:31.100 that part uh of the bible uh but yeah no i mean just incredible you know pop singers everyone

00:53:37.520 is ultimately uh you know venerating these people other than rather than uh you know truly impressive

00:53:42.980 heroes uh women enter in all these professions uh and and naturally i guess just always end up 0.76

00:53:50.380 encouraging more and more foreigners to take over uh the streets become uh dangerous obviously you 0.99

00:53:56.380 know we don't have to go into detail but the uk and rotherham and everything that has happened

00:54:01.160 with the grooming gangs there is just uh you know not only is the the government they're

00:54:06.100 not doing anything about it they are enabling it they're protecting it and it's the women who are

00:54:10.880 the loudest you know welcoming the migrants in protecting them even though they're the ones

00:54:14.640 being you know sexually assaulted in the streets they're still the ones championing these people 0.61

00:54:18.920 Same thing in the United States. Women are the ones most likely to say we should be soft on crime. We should be letting people out of prison. We should be letting in as many migrants as we can. And then talking about the evils of men collectively as if it's men who are attacking them instead of very specific men that they are letting in because they don't care about your feminism. They're not cowed by your calls for equality and all these things. 1.00

00:54:43.200 So yet again, something that is just apparently an inevitable consequence of this type of decline, something that a pattern that we see over and over again across many different historical examples and that we can see playing itself out in our modern world.

00:54:58.980 and yet no one learns from this right like we glub wrote about this 100 years ago he saw the

00:55:06.960 pattern in so many historical documents everyone knows this to some extent and yet we we don't

00:55:14.200 stop it we can't stop it it's it's an incredible thing this is again something spangler talked

00:55:18.680 about as well uh with the ipson women uh when when women want to become companions when they

00:55:23.460 want to become, you know, pop stars, when they want to become, you know, equal to men, they want

00:55:30.920 to travel, they want to learn, they want to, you know, do all these things, they stop being mothers,

00:55:35.940 they stop, you know, they break this rhythm. And once you have this rhythm broken, this natural

00:55:40.880 motherhood rhythm, you can't put it back together. Like this is something that once it falls out of

00:55:45.640 fashion, once it loses that status, it's almost impossible. And we see this, there are several

00:55:51.460 countries that have tried to incentivize motherhood, incentivize marriage and having 1.00

00:55:56.540 children, and women won't do it. Modern women will not do it even when the financial incentives 1.00

00:56:02.460 exist. So there's a very real sense in which this seems to be something that cannot be reversed once 0.99

00:56:09.460 you've gone down this path. Again, a level of fatalism a lot of people are uncomfortable with,

00:56:13.880 but I have a hard time arguing against the number of men who have made very good arguments that

00:56:19.100 this is indeed the case i wonder if during this stage of empire both women and men um deep down

00:56:27.880 lust for the uh state of expansion um it does it does seem that um the women are often uh inviting

00:56:37.440 in the very same men that embody this sort of you know these highly violent expansionist sort of

00:56:43.360 like things the men are restrained sort of almost totally in their violence right if you if you talk

00:56:50.160 the uk for example you're not even allowed to own a weapon right this is sort of surely the the

00:56:55.620 complete uh opposite point of the original sort of expansionist thing you're not you're not even

00:57:01.220 allowed to arm yourself right no no the state will will tell you that you're you know you must 0.68

00:57:06.480 be unarmed whilst at the same time inviting hordes of highly violent migrants in i wonder if this is 1.00

00:57:12.760 one of the reasons for the dissolution because deep in the you know the world soul or you know 0.94

00:57:17.740 whatever right the group soul the group psyche of these people they long for war and conflict i i

00:57:25.360 guess for some reason to sacrifice for some reason uh to you know for something to to struggle against

00:57:32.820 to push against and without it um frivolity is the inevitable result no i think that's absolutely

00:57:40.320 true and you know not to wade into the gender wars here but uh you know women don't often know what

00:57:46.380 they want you know they they they train a man to be one way uh if give if that if a man is you know

00:57:52.680 willing to to kind of play along with that uh but they want something entirely different they say

00:57:57.180 they want a man who is kind or uh you know uh you know has a passivity to him is ultimately

00:58:04.760 going to kind of bend to their wishes but what they really want is someone who's going to

00:58:08.880 you know be strong push back you know be aggressive uh you know uh you know use force 0.99

00:58:14.440 these are things that women say they don't want but you know if you ever read a woman's 1.00

00:58:18.540 romance novel you know absolutely not the case they really do want a savage man at the end of 1.00

00:58:25.780 the day and if they if they can tame enough of their own men they'll import new ones in a lot

00:58:31.120 of ways uh again subconsciously i don't think that they'd say it out loud but i think that is

00:58:35.960 something that plays itself out they they want something to tame right like that's the whole

00:58:42.540 in my opinion right like that's the whole sort of like game again look at at women's romance right 0.60

00:58:48.900 like you know it inevitably is like you know a very very set formula they meet a savage man and

00:58:53.520 then sooner or later this savage man is like gentle then you know i guess the the romance

00:58:58.980 novel ends before he gets an accounting job and puts on a time becomes like a a massive

00:59:05.660 turns into willy loman and death of a salesman yeah yeah right like it's it's it's it's a it's

00:59:11.660 a struggle it's something to push against it's like a a project and you know you can sort of

00:59:16.840 reach like a sort of a sort of happy medium but you know again i i think like men as well you

00:59:22.880 know they they want a a project to fight for like an ideal to to fight for but since all these ideals

00:59:29.960 are now basically forbidden what is there left except um frivolity and dissolution very true

00:59:36.080 very true all right guys well we are going to wrap it up here i think we've got at least one more if

00:59:41.200 not two more episodes uh given the uh length of the document uh but we we made better progress

00:59:46.460 this time we we read more than three uh so uh well well done for us uh we're going to head to

00:59:51.940 the uh questions of the people real quick but before we do uh mr news fist where can people

00:59:56.700 find your great work uh you can find all my stuff on youtube just search for news fist um ignore

01:00:02.720 the sri lankan news channel that is currently conflicting with my seo you can also find me on

01:00:07.400 twitter at malinformed tv if you'd like to you know see some of my hot takes uh i do a show well

01:00:13.440 i do a bunch of shows i do twice a weekly show with rhetorically defective over on his channel

01:00:17.280 arty and fist and on thursdays i do a sort of comedy podcast what i've been covering recently 0.68

01:00:23.820 we've been covering the the sort of weirdness of the nation of islam and it's just hilarious 0.99

01:00:27.680 quite frankly um that's on thursday uh yeah just just check out on on twitter you can find all of 1.00

01:00:34.180 my shows are posted there thank you very much excellent all right let's go to the questions

01:00:40.320 uh steven uh nitz uh nizek uh says intellectuals may not destroy empires but uh domathie domathians

01:00:49.420 proved via the philipicus that intellectuals very much do destroy republics

01:00:56.400 uh maddie ice says uh was an uh arabic student for a while vizier comes from the arabic root

01:01:05.000 that means to carry a burden uh there's also a farsi turkish word of uh fasir which is a spiritual

01:01:12.520 ruler uh likely related but there's no v sound in the classic arabic all right thanks maddie

01:01:19.760 and then weirdy curb says uh what of the army of or prison choice offered to convicts

01:01:29.020 this historically unique to america does this this devalue military service in the public eye

01:01:36.640 um it's not it's not historically unique to america at all um look at the french foreign

01:01:43.660 legion as as a as a good example look the problem that you have in in societies generally is that

01:01:49.740 your bottom five percent of people have a massively outsized effect on the rest of society

01:01:55.480 there's a great 4chan post that goes around that like illustrates this right that the most important

01:02:00.320 group of people really in any society are your bottom bottom five percent because all the rules

01:02:04.700 have to bend around them so the more of that bottom five percent you can get the hell out 0.62

01:02:09.380 um the more society benefits i've actually got this theory that that's actually what pakistan 0.69

01:02:14.180 is doing to to europe uh one of the reasons they won't take any of the people back is because

01:02:18.540 they're basically getting rid of all the troublesome people and sending them over uh to europe and

01:02:23.620 probably have an incredibly beneficial effect on pakistan as a country you know well we know this

01:02:29.140 for a fact that uh you know this is what venezuela and uh you know other countries are doing uh in

01:02:35.940 latin america to the united states and of course you know obviously we know that uh what your your 0.59

01:02:42.180 home country was born because uh you know the the british sent all their criminals to uh australia 0.53

01:02:47.300 So, yeah, that is very true. 0.94

01:02:49.660 That is very historically common.

01:02:53.000 All right, guys, we're going to go ahead and wrap this up.

01:02:55.880 Once again, it was fantastic speaking with Mr. News Fist.

01:02:58.620 Make sure you're checking out all of his content.

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 20, 2026

Do Intellectuals Always Destroy Empires？｜ Guest： News Fist ｜ 7⧸20⧸26

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - July 20, 2026

Do Intellectuals Always Destroy Empires？ ｜ Guest： News Fist ｜ 7⧸20⧸26

Episode Stats

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Do Intellectuals Always Destroy Empires？｜ Guest： News Fist ｜ 7⧸20⧸26