00:00:30.000hey everybody how's it going thanks for joining me this afternoon i've got a great stream with
00:00:44.380a great guest that i think you're really going to enjoy we've been going through john glub's
00:00:49.680the fate of empires it's been a fascinating stream with my friend here news fist and last
00:00:55.920time we started to talk about Glove's idea of the age of intellectualism. He has all these different
00:01:01.220ages that empires go through, the age of a kind of conquest and expansion, the age of commerce and
00:01:07.360wealth, the age of intellectualism. And he was saying in the last passage before we stopped in
00:01:14.120our last episode that the age of intellectualism signals this moment where you have universities
00:01:20.780everywhere where credentialism reigns where all of a sudden people are very interested
00:01:25.380in the life of the mind that the intellect is the most important thing but ultimately there can be
00:01:30.500great weaknesses that this can signal a moment of collapse or heading towards decline so even
00:01:37.140though you would think of this as a triumphant moment in the modern day since we love the idea
00:01:41.520of the intellect we love the idea of IQ and and you know credentials as being the most important
00:01:47.740thing in the world. Actually, for Glob, this is an inevitable step towards the decline of that
00:01:53.760empire. So joining me today to continue that series is, of course, News Fist. Thanks for
00:01:58.680coming on, man. Always a pleasure, Warren. Thanks for having me back, mate. Absolutely. Well, we
00:02:03.620will just jump directly into the document here. Again, this is John Glob's essay, The Fate of
00:02:08.780Empires. And we are on number 19 here, The Effects of Intellectualism. He says,
00:02:16.000there are so many things in human life which are not dreamt in our popular philosophy the spread
00:02:21.300of knowledge seems to be the most beneficial of human activities and yet very every period of
00:02:26.880decline is characterized by this expansion of intellectual activity all the athenians and
00:02:32.300and strangers which were there spent their time in nothing else but either to tell or to hear
00:02:38.400some new thing is the description given in the acts of the apostles of the decline of the greek
00:02:44.980greek intellectualism the age of intellect is accompanied by surprising advances in natural
00:02:50.320science in the 9th century for example in the age of muman the arabs measured the circumference of
00:02:57.000the earth with remarkable accuracy seven centuries were to pass before western europe discovered
00:03:02.080the world was not flat less than 50 years after the amazing scientific discoveries under mammon
00:03:08.420the arab empire collapsed wonderful and beneficent as was the progress of science it did not save0.90
00:03:15.920the empire from chaos the full flowering of arab and persian intellectualism did not occur until0.98
00:03:21.700after their imperial and political collapse therefore the intellectuals attained fresh0.99
00:03:26.940triumphs in the academic field but politically they became the most abject servants of the
00:03:32.320often illiterate rulers. When the Mongols conquered Persia in the 13th century, they were0.68
00:03:40.100themselves entirely uneducated and were obliged to depend wholly on native Persian officials
00:03:46.760to administer the country and to collect the revenue. They retained as wazir or prime minister
00:03:53.500one Rashad al-Din, a historian of international repute. Yet the prime minister, when speaking to
00:04:01.460the mongol khan was obliged to remain throughout the interview on his knees at the state banquet
00:04:07.720the prime minister stood behind the khan's seat to wait upon it if the khan were in a good mood
00:04:13.440he would occasionally pass his wazir a piece of food over his shoulder in the case of the
00:04:18.080athenians intellectualism led to discussion debate and argument such as is typical in western nations
00:04:24.200today debate is elected debates in elected assemblies or local committees and articles
00:04:30.180of the press or interviews of on television endless and incessant talking men are interminably
00:04:35.620different and intellectual arguments rarely lead to agreement thus public affairs drift
00:04:40.760from bad to worse amid an unceasing cacophony of argument but this constant dictation of
00:04:48.020discussion seems to destroy the power of action amid a babble of talk the ship drifts onto the
00:04:55.820rocks. So once again, this seems incredibly prescient, right? Like this describes so much
00:05:01.880of what we're seeing in the world today. We love democracy. We love the idea of debate that we're
00:05:07.320getting, you know, the marketplace of ideas will win the day. We love this idea. Everyone in our
00:05:13.340society needs to go to college. Everyone needs to be able to defend things intellectually. But this
00:05:19.160is an idea that we see echoed in so many thinkers like Oswald Spangler or Friedrich Nietzsche.
00:05:25.280The idea that once a society has fallen into this intellectualism, where all they want to do is talk and debate, justify themselves rationally, ultimately, this is kind of the draining away of the spirit.
00:05:36.860And I love how he speaks here, how so many of these great civilizations continued to have alerted men, continued to have scientific advancements, but ultimately they were subservient to the barbarians.
00:05:48.060the barbarians were the ones who utilized them because ultimately all of this intellectualism
00:05:52.880could not help them to truly maintain their independence i mean the the story of um the
00:05:59.000vizier and uh the khan is very very interesting right so the khan needs the vizier to keep running0.51
00:06:07.400the taxation system presumably i imagine that's the only thing that the mongol that the khan really
00:06:11.960cared about was give me more money and uh although the vizier was uh undoubtedly a skilled
00:06:18.200administrator when it came to the application of sudden and brutal force it was clearly the0.80
00:06:24.740mongols who won out i think this is probably like the central dynamic that that we're examining
00:06:30.900here right when um when you have sort of a group that is purely just dependent upon the application
00:06:38.600of force looting expansion everything's very very simple really uh you know these these groups they
00:06:45.500tend to be sort of like highly defined for example it's like it's a clan so you're either part of our
00:06:50.760clan in which case you're part of the army you get a share of the gold and the women and you know we
00:06:55.200will you know conquer the degenerate uh elites in this other country they have like all the gold and
00:07:02.180the the soft beautiful women but uh fundamentally this sort of inward looking in this discord leads
00:07:10.620to the sort of backgrounding of the use of sudden and overwhelming force you could you could even
00:07:17.600say that this is you know in in modern society the way that uh we have given up the death penalty1.00
00:07:22.460is a really really good example of this and you know instead of you know the the the mongols for0.84
00:07:27.400example would probably i don't know i i guess uh many societies would say you know why did you not0.84
00:07:34.780have this person put to death and if you know oh well you know we we debated about it and you know
00:07:40.360we decided this and so i don't know so everything begins to get more complicated and i think the
00:07:45.460other thing that happens is that this is an inevitable result of bureaucracy at scale so you
00:07:50.780get these uh like you know in in the case of uh the vizier uh he's leading sort of a large
00:07:57.300bureaucracy that's like good for taxation public works all these things that we would regard as
00:08:01.780as a modern society but becomes incredibly susceptible to the use of overwhelming uh and
00:08:10.200uncompromising force yeah i should recognize that as vizier is that a british thing spelling uh
00:08:16.740vizier is with a w is that like color with a u or civilization with an s that's probably the arabic
00:08:23.180spelling given that grub is an arabic scholar it's it's it's probably it's probably like actually
00:08:28.440wazier i don't know i didn't speak arabic sure sure he clearly means vizier in right right yeah
00:08:35.260um so you know this is interesting i mean uh another example of this of course would be the
00:08:40.640Greeks uh the Romans conquered the Greeks uh famously uh they ultimately uh absorbed Hellenic
00:08:47.080culture and uh you know made it their own uh in many interesting ways uh the Greeks were a critical
00:08:52.960part of Roman culture a lot of important business was uh discussed in Greek uh as as a language of
00:08:59.620commerce that kind of thing uh but ultimately uh even though the Greeks were incredibly intelligent
00:09:05.820A lot of their philosophy was highly regarded.
00:09:08.760Obviously, their culture and pantheon were critical.
00:09:11.920Ultimately, the Greeks ended up being the slaves of the Romans.
00:09:15.120Now, in many cases, they were the tutors.
00:09:32.380So, yes, they were more intelligent in many ways.1.00
00:09:34.720They were more cultured in many ways. They were more capable intellectually and scientifically, but ultimately it didn't matter because the Romans were young. They were hungry. They had that energy.0.64
00:09:44.160I just got done reading The Birth of Tragedy with Nietzsche, and he has in the middle of that book a discussion about how Socrates kind of kills the Dionysian in the Greeks, that the rise of Socrates shifts the idea of morality from evil being something that is endured, that is natural.
00:10:07.000This is what the tragic element of life to something that can be avoided through proper education, that rigorous education and intellectualism will ultimately ameliorate your suffering, your personality flaws, increased virtue, these kind of things.
00:10:23.720And so now, you know, morality is something that consists of being the righteous man is he who can kind of ultimately justify his actions intellectually. Right. And that's the key.
00:10:37.000And so, again, it's interesting. Oswald Spangler talks about how books, philosophies, these things are written at the end of civilizations because that's after everything has revealed itself.
00:10:49.540The scholars can go through and pick through the bones and the pieces of the men of action and ultimately kind of assess what's going on and put these things together.
00:10:59.620But it's very, very interesting that throughout all of these thinkers, we see this constant emphasis on the transition from a civilization of action, of vitality, to one that is waning even as it understands things.
00:11:14.820It might be growing in wisdom, but it is no longer capable of action, no longer capable of growth, no longer fecund.
00:11:23.220And so it really seems that there is a tradeoff here.
00:11:26.200And so that says a lot about our society, you know, the Western society.
00:11:31.740But yes, but also, you know, think of a place like South Korea, where there's so much emphasis placed on getting into university, getting good jobs.
00:11:40.500You know, kids go to school and then to tutoring 12, 13, 14 hours a day, that kind of thing.
00:11:46.800So they can be competitive. But they're not having children.
00:11:49.080South Korea is dying. Because ultimately, while they're focused so much on these degrees and the
00:11:55.620status that comes from going to universities and the advancements in the learning, they don't have
00:12:00.920kids. They don't live their lives. So there does seem to be this very real trade-off with becoming
00:12:08.180educated, becoming a power that is making these advancements in the realm of the intellect,
00:12:14.280But then not being able to protect yourself, sustain yourself, grow, can just continue to thrive. And you will ultimately become the servant of other civilizations. So I think that should be a real warning to people in the United States, Britain, all over the West, that just because you think you're intelligent, as we've seen, sadly, many times in the American military recently, we might have all the cool stuff.
00:12:41.740We might have all the technological advancements. We might have all the highest technology, but we're repeatedly defeated by goat herders because they simply want it more.
00:12:51.340They feel these things very existentially and are able to fight in a way that we as people who are very keen to avoid loss, to avoid bloodshed, to pay real prices, we're not willing to.1.00
00:13:06.720And so when you get in a war with people who are willing to blow up their civilization and you're not willing to kind of put everything on the line, you're going to lose.
00:13:14.760You're going to lose because you just don't care enough.
00:13:17.520Yeah, but more than that, like, what do you do with your warriors in an advanced society?
00:13:22.660So the warriors that sort of typify the original, like, sort of bursting out phase are violent, extreme, right?
00:13:32.560they are like you know they're they're liable to like fly off the handle at any moment again
00:13:38.040think of the think of the khan and and the vizier right the the vizier knows all this stuff about
00:13:43.720administration but at any moment the khan could just flip out and be like off with his head um
00:13:49.140you don't these people you you see this in revolutions a lot actually um the the sort of
00:13:56.980the the highly sort of militaristic people um become a hindrance to stability because you know
00:14:03.200they you know they they they wander around and they like want stuff and the administration is
00:14:07.840like constantly afraid of them because they could be overthrown and so there's only a few things
00:14:12.480really you can do with them you know you can send them overseas to uh try and you know get them out
00:14:17.140of the country start a war somewhere else you can try and like farm them off um by sending them out
00:14:21.800into the country and get them to you know sort of like have farms with with slaves but always
00:14:26.740always always there is the undercurrent of the threat of extreme violence which is the one thing
00:14:33.220that the administrative class absolutely hates more than anything else so the administrative
00:14:37.440class wants not exactly warriors but i guess um janissaries you know like um highly controlled
00:14:48.160uh like a highly controlled highly disciplined military that will under no circumstances turn
00:14:54.780that military force upon the administrators and i think this is one of the reasons why they're
00:14:59.740often like put into foreign wars or they're turned upon the population excessive taxation and this
00:15:05.040kind of like military go together hand in glove you know because you you know you have these kind
00:15:10.100of people they enjoy brutalizing other people you're like well i'll tell you what instead of
00:15:14.840like brutalizing people in the government why don't you go out to the provinces and you can
00:15:18.280brutalize all the peasants that you want and we'll even like pay you money to you know this is the
00:15:22.800thing that the the skills that make an empire are not are often not the same skills that you need to
00:15:29.140maintain one if that makes sense right no and it does and uh for people who may wonder hey why does
00:15:35.120the american military move their officers you know around so much why they move them every couple
00:15:40.420years well that's not a mistake they do that because they're trying to discourage personal
00:15:44.500loyalty to military officers because every revolution begins with hey uh you know the
00:15:50.660colonel said that we don't have to take this from the government and let's go uh you know storm this
00:15:54.900thing and so they move the officers around so no troop serves under the same officer for too long
00:16:00.660and they can build up that rapport so even the basic structure of our military is specifically
00:16:05.860designed to make sure it doesn't threaten the civilian command the bureaucracy by that rotation
00:16:11.580so there's just a lot of aspects as you say deployment uh you know the rotation all these
00:16:16.220things are all built into the system to ensure that you never have that kind of trust built up
00:16:21.120so you could have that threat to the the empire itself uh do you want to take also why they use
00:16:26.840sorry this is also why they use migrants in police as well yes 100 do you want me to do the next one0.93
00:16:32.600if you don't mind sure 20 the inadequacy of intellect perhaps the most dangerous byproduct0.95
00:16:40.940of the age of intellect is the unconscious growth of the idea that the human brain can solve the
00:16:46.520problems of the world even on the low level of practical affairs this is patently untrue any
00:16:53.120small human activity the local balls club or the ladies luncheon club requires for its survival a
00:16:58.660measure of self-sacrifice and service on the part of the members in a wider national sphere the
00:17:04.360survival of the nation depends basically on the loyalty and self-sacrifice of the citizens the
00:17:09.380impression that the situation can be saved by mental cleverness without unselfishness or human
00:17:14.540self-dedication can only lead to collapse thus we see that the cultivation of the human intellect
00:17:21.180seems to be a magnificent ideal but only on condition that it does not weaken unselfishness
00:17:27.220and human dedication to service yet this judging by historical precedent seems to be exactly what
00:17:33.580it does do perhaps it is not the intellectualism which destroys the spirit of self-sacrifice
00:17:39.080the least we can say is that the two intellectualism and the loss of a sense of duty
00:17:45.840appear simultaneously in the life story of the nation indeed it often appears in individuals
00:17:51.520that the head and the heart are natural rivals the brilliant but cynical intellectual appears
00:17:56.560at the opposite end of the spectrum from the emotional self-sacrifice of the hero or the
00:18:00.920martyr yet there are times when the perhaps unsophisticated self-dedication of the hero
00:18:06.020is more essential than the sarcasms of the clever yeah yeah again beautifully put by glub here and
00:18:14.460uh i think we can see this over and over again again just looking at the military situation the
00:18:19.760america is in right now in iran uh you have the desire to basically uh win the war with minimal
00:18:27.700loss which by the way i'm 100 behind i don't think we should be in this war in the first place
00:18:31.720But the point is, you know, just the loss of a few troops, which, again, is tragic, by all means, people, please understand that. But, you know, we understand that in major conflicts, tens, hundreds of thousands of people dying is very normal. And without having that level of dedication, it's very hard to win those conflicts. But America simply does not have that anymore.
00:18:55.420you know in in iraq or afghanistan we lost a good amount of troops but still nothing by world war
00:19:01.800ii standards by that comparison the war with iran is a drop in the bucket and ultimately we still
00:19:07.760aren't willing to kind of put ourselves in line and so you can see him saying you know you you
00:19:11.940think that you can solve things by just being clever deploying more tactics having you know
00:19:15.960using money using using uh you know some kind of trickery uh using advanced uh technology but it's
00:19:22.100never enough. You ultimately have to have that self-sacrifice. You have to have that willingness
00:19:27.240to go out there and make those dedicated choices that might cost you everything. And you need
00:19:32.700people who are willing to do so. And I think back to put it in another frame of Vilfredo Pareto's
00:19:40.020foxes and lions, right? We have the lions who are the crafty, the clever, the cunning. We have the
00:19:45.560lions who are the brave, the bold, those who are willing to sacrifice physically, martial cast.
00:19:50.600And at the beginning, we have those lions who are necessary. They need to cut a path out of the wilderness and conquer the neighbor and defend you. They are usually the dominant elites early on in the society.
00:20:04.740But as the society increases in complexity, we see a need for more advanced social systems, you know, the management of higher complexity and order.
00:20:15.260And so we see the foxes rise into power.
00:20:18.040And, you know, Pareto says that at the end of many societies, it is the foxes dominating.
00:20:22.820It is that that overwhelming amount of the intellectual, the clever.
00:20:27.280They're the ones who who come because they're the only ones who can manage the complexity.
00:20:31.560but ultimately this helps a drift it creates a drift because the thing that foxes do so well
00:20:37.540is combine things take things apart and put them back together well in you know they do that often
00:20:43.040enough then you've dismantled the thing entirely and they're they're slowly dismantling you know
00:20:47.300i always like to say it's like a jinga tower you know you can get it pretty high by taking out
00:20:52.020pieces from the base but eventually you're going to pull out a piece that's necessary and the tower
00:20:56.640will fall down and so i think in many ways glub is kind of echoing this understanding that while
00:21:02.780the sharpening of the intellect is is good uh ultimately it seems to inevitably lead to this
00:21:08.880moment where we trick ourselves into believing everything can be solved by rearranging uh you
00:21:14.120know ones and zeros on a screen uh rather than having to go out and do the hard work of sacrifice
00:21:18.440in the real world wasn't it machiavelli that originally made the foxes versus lions
00:21:23.480argument so Machiavelli uh said that you need to be both fox and lion in the prince he said like
00:21:31.060for instance a Julius Caesar figure who's both very smart and uh and uh you know very brave
00:21:36.880uh and then uh Pareto had the type one and type two residues uh and so then in a third iteration
00:21:43.780John Burnham or James Burnham in the Machiavellians used Machiavelli's qualifiers for
00:21:50.020for uh pareto's uh categories because they're too hard to explain to people because they don't know
00:21:56.460what derivations and residues are so uh it's a weird etymology to get us there but there you go
00:22:01.580so to go back to i think it's moscow um what kind of political formula is going to sustain
00:22:11.580the idea of self-sacrifice i think this is one of the the real problems that modern liberalism is
00:22:18.480facing the political formula has become so thin um the way i tend to see it is that the the only
00:22:26.140things that people are really likely to self-sacrifice for are either sort of a clan or a
00:22:32.500nation or some kind of you know ethnic uh togetherness or some kind of religion liberalism
00:22:40.540as just this idea of you know sort of being vaguely nice and you know uh protect the gay
00:22:48.400and you know uh we will keep moving forward into like a progressive utopia is not really enough
00:22:55.560to get people to have that sort of self-sacrificial nature i think these two things sort of like work
00:23:01.440in tandem it's probably from the point of view of the intellectuals good for them to try and widen
00:23:07.120the political formula out so it doesn't rest purely on the military men but then eventually
00:23:12.380when it's taken to its extreme you know i mean okay i mean america does at least have some kind
00:23:18.480of political formula that people would uh be willing to self-sacrifice for what does europe
00:23:23.540have like like like seriously what what is the you know i was talking to someone about this a while
00:23:29.560back what is the european idea of self-sacrifice that would bring everyone together what even is
00:23:36.640the political formula uh of the eu oh managerialism and you know we're we're nice and we don't like0.74
00:23:43.360the americans because they've got guns and you know we're all for like the gays and and migrants
00:23:48.340that's not that's not a viable political formula which is in my opinion like why it's collapsing
00:23:54.100so hard right sorry i didn't mean to go off on a tangent but no no by all means that's uh it's
00:23:57.860good insight and also absolutely correct the political formula is an important thing to
00:24:02.100Remember from our elite theory, I know a lot of people are new to the show over the last few years and maybe haven't gone back through the original kind of run of explaining elite theory.
00:24:10.820So it's always worthwhile to go back and refresh people because that is critical.
00:24:14.400If you do not have that internal justification for the existence of the regime that both the ruled and the ruler buy into, ultimately, it's going to collapse.
00:24:27.480we're always analyzing that when we're trying to understand the stability of regimes and the flow
00:24:32.140of power all right uh civil dissensions another remarkable and unexpected symptom of national
00:24:40.160decline is the intensification of internal political hatreds uh yeah this one's going to
00:24:44.720be super relevant kids one would have expected that when the survival of the nation becomes
00:24:49.900precarious political factions would drop their rivalry and stand shoulder to shoulder save the
00:24:54.260country in the 14th century the weakening empire of the byzantium was threatened and indeed dominated
00:24:59.880by the ottoman turks the situation was so serious that one would have expected every subject of
00:25:05.240byzantium to abandon their his personal interest and stand with his compatriots in a last desperate0.95
00:25:10.920attempt to save the country the reverse occurred the byzantines spent the last 50 years of their0.99
00:25:16.120history in infighting one another in repeated civil wars until the ottomans moved in and
00:25:21.540administered the coup de grace uh britain was uh has been governed by an elected parliament for
00:25:26.420many centuries in former years however the rival parties observed many unwritten rules
00:25:30.700neither party wished to eliminate the other all the members refer to one another as honorable
00:25:35.600gentlemen but such courtesies have now lapsed booing shouting and loud noises have uh undermined
00:25:42.240the dignity of the house and angry exchanges are more frequent we're fortunate if these rivals
00:25:47.340have fought in parliament uh or we are fortunate if these rivals have fought fought it out in
00:25:52.500parliament but sometimes such hatreds are carried into the streets or into industry in the forms of
00:25:57.400strikes demonstrations boycotts and similar activities true to the normal course followed
00:26:02.360by nations in decline internal differences are not reconciled in an attempt to save the nation
00:26:08.120on the contrary internal rivalries become more acute as the nation becomes weaker again we can
00:26:15.300see this everywhere right uh right now uh it feels like uh you know america and britain are
00:26:20.620both sitting on a powder keg you know we have people talking about the likelihood of civil war
00:26:25.340in britain people laugh about the possibility of having it in america uh but i wouldn't be so
00:26:31.460sanguine about that i think ultimately we are seeing those tension rise and as glub says you
00:26:36.540would think that all of these external threats would bind people together you get the rally
00:26:40.220around the flag effect it would focus the mind uh but instead we see the internal rivalries are
00:26:45.700the things that are really tearing everything apart uh we're obviously seeing political
00:26:49.200assassinations in the united states and in the uk now uh which is insane uh and you know i just had
00:26:56.040um a gentleman on who had been in the lebanon uh lebanese civil war and uh you know he pointed out
00:27:03.220that uh when a bunch of muslims came into the country when you had all the muslims expelled
00:27:07.700all the palestinians expelled from the creation of israel flowing into lebanon uh this became an0.91
00:27:13.700opportunity for factions to settle scores right using kind of this new force uh and that's uh how
00:27:19.780the country started to fall apart and fall in the civil war and we can see this in america a lot of
00:27:25.140people are trying to use uh you know the immigrants here as a wedge of political power uh to settle
00:27:30.980scores this is how pretty much all uh you know great conquerors end up winning right they go
00:27:37.000into these areas uh alexander the great he recognizes one tribe is fighting against another
00:27:41.600or the americans see one indian tribe fighting against another and they use those differences
00:27:46.700those unsettled uh rivalries as a way to uh co-op the people and uh you know kind of go in and
00:27:52.400conquer because these these guys are so busy fighting each other that they're where they
00:27:56.580would rather use the invader as a way to destroy their domestic political enemies than they would
00:28:02.540be to actually repel those forces so again just a pattern playing out over and over again we are
00:28:08.080seeing it very obviously in both of our countries the great conceit of democracy and managerialism
00:28:15.940and you see this very very clearly in the united kingdom is that there is a middle way to solve
00:28:22.260everything there is not and because uh there are certain choices that are perforce binary like do
00:28:30.140we allow abortion or do we not right is christianity the religion of the country or not
00:28:36.080these questions these binary questions tend to get pushed to the side because parliaments and
00:28:41.880bureaucracies they desire consensus it's how they're built around so after a long enough time
00:28:47.340these binary questions begin to build up and build up and build up and sooner or later you have the
00:28:52.900kind of situation that you have in the u.s which is functionally two separate countries i've i've
00:28:56.880thought this for for many years that's you know it's it's not just that the two americas have
00:29:03.620different attitudes they functionally have two different languages they may use the same words
00:29:08.600but what those words mean are very very very different and the reason is because these binary
00:29:14.080questions have not been solved because they're put in the too hard basket and they're you know
00:29:18.500they're pushed off and no no no they you know they they create friction and stuff like that
00:29:22.320but sooner or later you get uh you get this sort of polarization basically happening where
00:29:27.120enough of these binary choices have been left unresolved that you just wind up with two groups
00:29:33.260you know each side sort of you know with a collection of these binary choices and then
00:29:38.020you get you know civil unrest basically yeah no that's exactly right uh okay i'll do the next one0.98
00:29:45.920uh 2022 the influx of foreigners gee i i wonder what this is
00:29:52.340one of the oft-repeated phenomena of great empires is the influx of foreigners to the
00:30:00.080capital city roman historians often complain of the number of asians and africans in rome
00:30:06.640the more things change the more they stay the same in the dad in its prime in the ninth century was
00:30:13.120international in its population persians turks arabs armenians egyptians africans and greeks
00:30:18.740mingled in its streets in london today cypriots greeks italians russians africans germans and
00:30:25.000indians jostle one another on the buses and in the underground so that it sometimes seems very
00:30:30.780difficult to find any british when was this written oh dear glob it has gotten so much worse
00:30:38.580the same applies to new york perhaps even more so this problem does not consist in any inferiority
00:30:45.480of one race as compared with another but simply the differences between them in the age of the
00:30:53.260first outburst and the subsequent age of conquests the race is normally ethnically more or less
00:30:58.480homogenous this state of affairs facilitates a feeling of solidarity and comradeship but in the
00:31:04.800ages of commerce and affluence every type of foreigner floods into the great city the streets
00:31:10.280of which are reputed to be paved with gold as in most cases this great city is also the capital
00:31:16.860of the empire the cosmopolitan crowd seat of empire exercises a political influence greatly
00:31:22.680in excess of its relative numbers second or third generation foreign immigrants may appear
00:31:29.040outwardly to be entirely assimilated they don't even bother anymore but they often constitute a1.00
00:31:34.020weakness in two directions first their basic human nature often differs from that of the original
00:31:39.740imperial stock wouldn't be able to write that today i like this if the earlier imperial race0.58
00:31:45.800was stubborn and slow moving the immigrants might come from more emotional races thereby
00:31:51.140introducing cracks and schisms into the national policies even if all were equally loyal second0.98
00:31:58.660while the nation is still affluent all the diverse races may appear equally loyal but in an acute0.86
00:32:04.900emergency the immigrants will often be less willing to sacrifice their lives and their property1.00
00:32:09.600than will be the original descendants of the founder race he's bang on the money there0.86
00:32:14.820third the immigrants are liable to form communities of their own protecting primarily0.98
00:32:21.120their own interests and only in the second degree that of the nation as a whole fourth
00:32:27.020many of the foreign immigrants will probably belong to races originally conquered by and0.97
00:32:31.120absorbed into the empire while the empire is enjoying its high noon of prosperity all these
00:32:37.100people are proud and glad to be imperial citizens but when decline sets in it is extraordinary how
00:32:43.580the memory of ancient wars perhaps centuries before is suddenly revived and local or provincial
00:32:49.380movements appear demanding secession or independence someday this phenomenon will
00:32:54.280doubtless appear in the now apparently monolithic and authoritarian soviet empire it is amazing for
00:32:59.820how long such provincial sentiments sentiments can survive historical examples of this phenomenon
00:33:06.220are scarcely needed the idol and uh kept captious i don't know what that means captious roman mob
00:33:13.560oh yes i think it means um uh like quick to anger and and and sort of uh fleeting uh with its endless
00:33:22.200appetite for free distributions of food bread and games is notorious and utterly different from that
00:33:28.460stern roman spirit which we associate with the wars of the early republic in baghdad the golden
00:33:34.780days of harun al-rasheed arabs were a minority in the imperial capital istanbul in the great
00:33:41.740days of ottoman rule was people by inhabitants remarkably few remarkably few of whom were
00:33:47.100descendants of turkish conquerors in new york descendants of the pilgrim fathers are few and
00:33:52.540far between this interesting phenomenon is largely limited to great cities the original conquering
00:33:58.540race is often found in relative purity in rural districts and on far frontiers which is of course
00:34:04.140why it's important to put asylum centers up there yep it is the wealth of the great cities which
00:34:10.080draws the immigrants as with the growth of industry cities nowadays nowadays achieve an
00:34:15.360ever greater preponderance over the countryside so will the influence of foreigners increasingly
00:34:20.560dominate old empires once more it may be emphasized that i do not wish to convey the0.99
00:34:25.660impression that immigrants are inferior to older stocks they are just different and thus they tend
00:34:30.620to introduce cracks and divisions so obviously once again incredibly prescient like he said
00:34:38.560you know this is written a hundred years ago and it sounds like he's complaining about being on the
00:34:42.960subway in uh in new york or in uh the uk right now uh yeah if he if he saw things right now he
00:34:49.920would assume that we had just collapsed a bit entirely conquered uh but uh you know he he kind
00:34:55.360of goes with the the lib thing here right he's being a good liberal says look uh you know there's
00:34:59.420nothing wrong with the immigrants they just have a different way of life you know they just have a
00:35:02.860a different spirit a different understanding and he makes a great point that you know even if you
00:35:07.980have second or third generation immigrants and they look american or british they sound american
00:35:13.980in their you know in their accent or in their dress uh ultimately they're still going to have0.96
00:35:19.700these attitudes they still have uh kind of this different way of life this different understanding
00:35:24.580And that's going to create division. That's going to create a crack in kind of the facade of the civilization. You don't have that natural unity that comes with a homogeneous culture, tradition, kinship, everything else. And so that is going to continuously show itself.
00:35:41.460You're going to see these factions. They're going to ghettoize. They're going to create different communities. And, you know, we already see in the United States entirely Muslim cities trying to kind of build themselves, you know, places like France with their no-go zones, these kind of things.
00:35:55.880uh you know this is the civilizational da sign this is uh the the the metaphysical spirit that
00:36:03.000spengler talks about or you know there again so many other uh thinkers that we have discussed
00:36:07.920have recognized this and uh it also gives that echo of that steve sailor uh invite the world
00:36:13.580or you know invade the world invite the world right like when you conquer a place those people
00:36:18.080come to your place as unintuitive as it seems and again it's not just american it's not just british
00:36:23.900it's not just modern it's not just liberal we can blame those ideologies for these things we can
00:36:29.060blame those specific empires and don't get me wrong there are individuals who do these things
00:36:33.260wrong we should hold individuals accountable but ultimately we have to understand that this is a
00:36:37.720cycle that repeats over and over and over again that this is something that shows itself that
00:36:43.000manifests itself as a nation as a nation becomes an empire and perhaps empires are inevitable i
00:36:49.840think in many ways glub is saying that they are either this this idea of kind of a more deterministic
00:36:55.300cyclical history is often very unpopular with people because they want to believe that they
00:37:00.060can escape the cycle that their civilization is different i hear a lot of people saying well yes
00:37:04.940we will now acknowledge that america is an empire but it should just be a based empire it should be
00:37:09.600just a based empire that works for americans and that sounds nice but ultimately as glub is pointing
00:37:14.820out here just the action of empire will create the situation everyone is now angry at and this
00:37:21.080is always kind of my point when it either whether it's scale empire democracy whatever everyone
00:37:26.580wants to keep the system uh but they don't acknowledge how they hate the out the the0.97
00:37:32.040effects of the system they're all saying oh well i hate all these foreigners being in here i hate0.92
00:37:35.840all the division i hate the endless debate i hate the the fact that the the political system doesn't0.66
00:37:41.680work i i hate that uh we're all impersonal i hate the foreign influence they say they hate all these
00:37:46.840things but they won't stop doing they won't walk away from any of this stuff and maybe you can't
00:37:51.700right maybe that's just the way things are and we have we have to ultimately understand that and do
00:37:57.080our best you know as kind of like spangler said optimism is cowardice and you know if you're the
00:38:02.840roman soldier guarding the gates of uh pompeii as the lava flows in then it's your job to stand
00:38:08.840there and take your noble death maybe that is just the way things are uh but it is amazing that
00:38:14.200people think that we can kind of just keep all the trappings of empire but pay none of these costs
00:38:19.000underneath this as well is the very seductive idea of the universal man right that um you know
00:38:26.980really we're all basically the same uh you know everyone everyone wants a weather grill and you
00:38:33.780know a wife and to go to the football and stuff like that and and as as glob says while everything
00:38:39.920is is going swell economically while there is you know uh jobs and opportunity and you know
00:38:45.420expansion that sort of holds together but once things start getting dire the truth reasserts
00:38:53.900itself um it's you wouldn't be able to say this today right really but the one of the things that
00:39:00.000universalists hate above all is just the concept of race no matter how weakly it is applied the
00:39:06.200concept of of ethnicity the idea that there are differences in ethnicity they really don't want
00:39:12.640to like you know and i think it might be sort of you know they uh you know i was thinking like one
00:39:18.520of the things that might be sort of a product of getting rid of sort of like the militaristic thing
00:39:23.620is is trying to get rid of clan rivalries right you you know particularly if you've got a bunch
00:39:29.000of like militarized people and they've got like clan conflicts this can be very very destabilizing
00:39:32.920within a society and so they solve that problem by like melding everyone together into this sort
00:39:37.640of like one universal idea and so they thin out the concept of ethnos and they need more workers
00:39:42.640for this and they thin out the concept of ethnos again and again and again and then you get the
00:39:46.680final version which is basically sort of you know the what we've got at the moment the anti-racist
00:39:50.640state this sort of idea where you enforce the idea that everyone is the same by literal coercive
00:39:57.500force of the state in defiance of all reality and then when things get bad as as glub says old
00:40:04.980rivalries or even i mean you know if you if you look at the uk they're literally importing people
00:40:09.480from places like bloody eritreus ongoing rival there was a there was a machete fight not far
00:40:17.260from where i am in london where like the the two sides of the eritrean civil war the tigre and um
00:40:22.340i forget the other side they all lined up in the street and had a big machete battle
00:40:26.440you got uh you know hutus and tootsies going at it in the middle of uh london you know yeah
00:40:32.520precisely precisely and so you know this just becomes i i i think the i think they the to the
00:40:39.220to the bureaucrat ethnos becomes sort of a a stumbling block right because you know ethnos
00:40:45.560is also you're probably like gonna like have favorable treatment to those within your ethnos
00:40:49.900so that's seen as corruption what they want is like a single sort of universal law and bureaucracy
00:40:54.900that applies to like everyone um but by taking in people more and more and more people this gets
00:41:00.200stretched thinner and thinner and thinner until you have the sort of political formula that
00:41:04.640currently governs a lot of the west which is like a mile wide and like less than an inch deep you
00:41:08.720could skip a coin off it and nobody be signing up to that uh i don't know if you know this but in uh
00:41:14.780in minnesota we had one mayor who in order to stay in office uh basically played one somali tribe
00:41:23.400off another uh in the town like he had to he had to exacerbate the uh the the rivalry between the
00:41:31.080uh the Somalian tribes in order to maintain his uh you know like like he's some kind of you know
00:41:36.700British uh chief in the middle of conquering a foreign nation um that's the state of politics
00:41:43.700in the United States you better you better you better understand deeply the ethnic uh rivalries
00:41:48.680of Somalians if you want to maintain political power I mean it's it it you have to laugh or you1.00
00:41:53.900just cry it's insane yeah absolutely yeah all right let's go on to frivolity here 23 as the
00:42:01.140nation declines in power and wealth a universal pessimism gradually pervades the people and
00:42:06.640itself hastens the decline there is no there is nothing succeed succeeds like success and in the
00:42:13.660age of conquest and commerce the nation was carried triumphantly onward on a wave of its own
00:42:19.320self-confidence republican rome was repeatedly on the verge of extinction in 390 bc when the gauls
00:42:26.260sacked the city and in 216 bc after the battle of canny but no disaster could shake the resolution
00:42:34.320of the early romans yet in the later stages of roman decline the whole empire was deeply
00:42:39.600pessimistic thereby sapping its own resolution frivolity is the frequent companion of pessimism
00:42:47.580let's eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die the resemblance between various declining nations0.99
00:42:53.500in this respect is truly surprising the roman mob uh we have seen demanded free meals and public0.99
00:43:00.820games gladiator shows uh chariot races and athletic events were their passion and the0.98
00:43:06.980byzantine empire the rivalries of the greens and the blues and the hippodrome attained the
00:43:10.860importance of major crisis judging by the time and space allotted to them in the press and television
00:43:16.580football and baseball are the activities which today's chief chiefly interests the public in
00:43:21.880britain and the united states respectively the heroes of declining nations are always the same
00:43:26.600athletes and singers and actors the word celebrity today is used to designate a comedian or a football
00:43:32.720player not a statesman or a general or a literary genius yet again sounds exactly like where we're
00:43:40.460at we literally have a reality tv star as president uh you know with our most successful politicians
00:43:45.700are actors like ronald reagan or arnold schwarzenegger uh jesse ventura was a professional
00:43:52.340wrestler was the governor uh obviously in the uk uh you guys also have a lot of emphasis on
00:43:58.660celebrity. We know that everybody wants to be a star on social media or an influencer or a movie
00:44:06.800star or a rapper or something. Very few people are interested in being, like I said, a general
00:44:13.720or the next great novelist, that kind of thing. And so we really just see that there's this
00:44:19.600constant slide towards this frivolity, as he's pointing to. And it is interesting that at some
00:44:25.980point uh this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy right he says you know the idea that the civilization
00:44:30.880is doomed that it is on the decline means fewer and fewer people are willing to sacrifice for
00:44:36.180that doomed civilization and therefore they can't overcome so in these earlier stages when you ran
00:44:41.220into these major battles that could have wiped you out and destroyed your society you had the
00:44:46.000resilience you had the vitality to come back and fight for it but once people think that you're on1.00
00:44:50.380the decline there's nowhere to go obviously you're filled with a lot of immigrants who don't really0.99
00:44:53.780care about the country, uh, then more and more you find that people just lean into this. Well,1.00
00:44:58.780if I can't win, I might as well burn it all down mentality. Uh, we see now so many young people1.00
00:45:03.740in both of our, uh, both of our countries saying, well, I'm never going to have a house. I'm never
00:45:08.580going to have kids or a family. I'm never going to have a good career. Uh, so I might as well,
00:45:12.600you know, do a lot of sports gambling or, you know, blow my money on a lot of, uh, you know,
00:45:17.100travel and, and food and these kinds of things, because I'm, you know, I might as well have these
00:45:21.420small uh you know decadence uh things now because i'm never going to have the long-term things that
00:45:27.420really build society into something great and so we just see this kind of cycle uh that self-fulfilling
00:45:32.800prophecy of well it's already bad and i'm never going to get anywhere so i'll just do none of the
00:45:37.440things that would get me where anyway and things just get worse and worse yeah complexity and and
00:45:42.940nepotism uh proliferate uh with bureaucracy you know it's interesting to consider as well that
00:45:49.020the qualities that make a good ruler in the expansive phase uh totally frowned upon during
00:45:55.940this phrase right imagine imagine if if trump had come out and he's like um i killed a thousand men
00:46:01.160i took their women i pray impregnated them all i've got like many kids i took all their fields0.60
00:46:07.880i burned their villages uh they to be fair impregnating women one might be something trump
00:46:13.740would like that like that like that is the sort of imagine him being andrew uh jackson and just0.89
00:46:21.560you know dueling people and you know killing a couple guys while you know walking around with
00:46:25.820a bullet lodged in his chest from a duel you know that they couldn't dig out right like you can't0.84
00:46:30.140even imagine that being a positive thing for people today that guy he showed up to the white0.83
00:46:35.740house i shot him in the face like it's just like it's just a very very different milieu
00:46:43.560like like completely like the the qualities that are of like a highly militaristic highly
00:46:48.980expansive leader i mean even even someone like like washington right like you know famously
00:46:53.260you know we go into battle and you come back and his his you know clothes would just be full of
00:46:58.240bullet holes and he'd be untouched and everyone would be like my god you are literally being
00:47:02.480protected by the divine imagine like trump uh i don't know going out into iran and you know i
00:47:08.560I mean, it's just because these societies demand very different things from their rulers.
00:47:15.140And I think what happens in the sort of final decline phase, the frivolity phase, is that people realize that despite all of the effort they have put into intellectualism,
00:47:26.320they have still not discovered a secret formula by which they can still continue expanding to sort of stave off the decline.
00:47:38.560and then i think this induces this sense of pessimism um where they're just like well okay0.86
00:47:44.860there's you know there's you know there's nothing can be done uh i've got mine jack screw you
00:47:49.780yeah well you know it is interesting on that note of course trump was shot uh and uh when he was
00:47:56.860shot uh he famously you know kind of popped up and uh and the what the secret service was trying
00:48:02.660to pull him off stage and did the whole fight fight fight thing uh obviously not the same as
00:48:06.720going into battle uh but it is interesting that in that moment uh i think that's the thing that
00:48:11.340terrified our elites the most right and trump sadly you know has not maintained that momentum
00:48:16.920uh but at that moment uh he looked like a lion he looked like a guy who could lead you into battle
00:48:24.020who could have that personal courage and sacrifice and uh like i said maybe maybe not manifesting
00:48:30.620itself as much as we'd like but ultimately uh just the just the hint of that the shadow
00:48:35.680of that was enough to inspire people and terrify uh the elites and i think that speaks a lot to
00:48:41.900you know how dangerous as you say those qualities become to the current system they were necessary
00:48:47.700for creating the empire uh but they are they are a direct threat to the political formula
00:48:52.880that is kind of managing its decline yeah that's a really good point i forgot about butler how could
00:48:59.020forget yeah okay 24 the arab decline in the first half of the 9th century baghdad enjoyed its high
00:49:07.880noon as the greatest and richest capital in the world in 861 however the reigning caliph
00:49:13.200mutawakil was murdered by his turkish mercenaries so you remember what marcovelli said about
00:49:18.720mercenaries who set up a military dictatorship which lasted for some 30 years during this period
00:49:25.320the empire fell apart the various dominions and provinces each assuming virtual independence and
00:49:30.560seeking its own interests baghdad lately the capital of a vast empire found its authority
00:49:36.120limited to iraq alone the works of contemporary historians of baghdad in the early 10th century
00:49:42.480are still available they deeply deplored the degeneracy of the times in which they lived
00:49:47.920emphasizing particularly the indifference to religion the increasing materialism and the
00:49:52.960laxity of sexual morals they lamented also the corruption of the officials of the government
00:49:57.760and the fact that politicians always seem to amass large fortunes while they were in office
00:50:02.760the historians commented bitterly on the extraordinary influence acquired by popular
00:50:08.420singers over young people resulting in a decline in sexual morality the pop singers of baghdad
00:50:15.160accompanied their erotic songs on the lute an instrument resembling the modern guitar
00:50:19.680i wonder if they had goths in baghdad in the second half of the 10th century as a result
00:50:26.960much obscene sexual language came increasingly into use such as would not have been tolerated
00:50:32.500in an earlier age several caliphs issued orders banning pop singers from the capital0.99
00:50:37.800but within a few years they always returned an increase in the influence of women in public life
00:50:43.960has often been associated with national decline yeah the later romans complained that although1.00
00:50:50.720rome ruled the world women ruled rome in the 10th century a similar tendency was observable in the0.99
00:50:57.180arab empire the women demanding admission to the proficient sorry to the professions hitherto0.92
00:51:02.540monopolized by men what wrote the contemporary historian ibn bassam have the professions of
00:51:10.040clerk tax collector or preacher to do with women these occupations have always been limited to men
00:51:16.100alone many women practiced law while others obtained posts as university professors there
00:51:22.500was an agitation for the appointment of female judges which however does not appear to have
00:51:27.740succeeded soon after this period government and public order collapsed and foreign invaders
00:51:33.680overran the country i feel like this is relevant the resulting the resulting increase in confusion
00:51:40.240and violence made it unsafe for women to move unescorted in the streets with the result that
00:51:45.340this movement collapsed i've seen this movie i've seen this movie very prescient the disorders
00:51:53.240following the military takeover in 861 and the loss of the empire had played havoc with the economy
00:51:58.360at such a moment it might have been expected that everyone would redouble their efforts to save
00:52:03.640the country from bankruptcy but nothing of the kind occurred instead at this moment of declining
00:52:09.440trade and financial stringency the people of baghdad introduced a five-day week when i first
00:52:17.000read these contemporary descriptions of 10th century baghdad i could scarcely believe my eyes
00:52:21.500i told myself this must be a joke the descriptions might have been taken out of the times today
00:52:26.940oh oh glub if only you could see what we have become the resemblance of all of the details was
00:52:33.580especially breathtaking the breakup of the empire the abandonment of sexual morality the pop0.67
00:52:39.140singers with their guitars the entry of women into the professions the five-day week i would not0.54
00:52:44.720venture to attempt an explanation there are so many mysteries about human life which are beyond
00:52:50.580our comprehension yes well i mean i would venture an explanation glob um people become soft and they0.99
00:52:59.780become uh susceptible to the arguments of women and uh that generally leads to bad outcomes
00:53:06.860yeah i mean once again just amazing amazing calling the shot uh you know 100 years out but0.98
00:53:14.440you know i always like to remind people that being ruled by foreigners and women is literally a
00:53:19.660biblical curse which which which uh really riles up a lot of people who want to pretend that they're
00:53:26.420like these really traditional christians and they really want a christian nation until we get to
00:53:31.100that part uh of the bible uh but yeah no i mean just incredible you know pop singers everyone
00:53:37.520is ultimately uh you know venerating these people other than rather than uh you know truly impressive
00:53:42.980heroes uh women enter in all these professions uh and and naturally i guess just always end up0.76
00:53:50.380encouraging more and more foreigners to take over uh the streets become uh dangerous obviously you0.99
00:53:56.380know we don't have to go into detail but the uk and rotherham and everything that has happened
00:54:01.160with the grooming gangs there is just uh you know not only is the the government they're
00:54:06.100not doing anything about it they are enabling it they're protecting it and it's the women who are
00:54:10.880the loudest you know welcoming the migrants in protecting them even though they're the ones
00:54:14.640being you know sexually assaulted in the streets they're still the ones championing these people0.61
00:54:18.920Same thing in the United States. Women are the ones most likely to say we should be soft on crime. We should be letting people out of prison. We should be letting in as many migrants as we can. And then talking about the evils of men collectively as if it's men who are attacking them instead of very specific men that they are letting in because they don't care about your feminism. They're not cowed by your calls for equality and all these things.1.00
00:54:43.200So yet again, something that is just apparently an inevitable consequence of this type of decline, something that a pattern that we see over and over again across many different historical examples and that we can see playing itself out in our modern world.
00:54:58.980and yet no one learns from this right like we glub wrote about this 100 years ago he saw the
00:55:06.960pattern in so many historical documents everyone knows this to some extent and yet we we don't
00:55:14.200stop it we can't stop it it's it's an incredible thing this is again something spangler talked
00:55:18.680about as well uh with the ipson women uh when when women want to become companions when they
00:55:23.460want to become, you know, pop stars, when they want to become, you know, equal to men, they want
00:55:30.920to travel, they want to learn, they want to, you know, do all these things, they stop being mothers,
00:55:35.940they stop, you know, they break this rhythm. And once you have this rhythm broken, this natural
00:55:40.880motherhood rhythm, you can't put it back together. Like this is something that once it falls out of
00:55:45.640fashion, once it loses that status, it's almost impossible. And we see this, there are several
00:55:51.460countries that have tried to incentivize motherhood, incentivize marriage and having1.00
00:55:56.540children, and women won't do it. Modern women will not do it even when the financial incentives1.00
00:56:02.460exist. So there's a very real sense in which this seems to be something that cannot be reversed once0.99
00:56:09.460you've gone down this path. Again, a level of fatalism a lot of people are uncomfortable with,
00:56:13.880but I have a hard time arguing against the number of men who have made very good arguments that
00:56:19.100this is indeed the case i wonder if during this stage of empire both women and men um deep down
00:56:27.880lust for the uh state of expansion um it does it does seem that um the women are often uh inviting
00:56:37.440in the very same men that embody this sort of you know these highly violent expansionist sort of
00:56:43.360like things the men are restrained sort of almost totally in their violence right if you if you talk
00:56:50.160the uk for example you're not even allowed to own a weapon right this is sort of surely the the
00:56:55.620complete uh opposite point of the original sort of expansionist thing you're not you're not even
00:57:01.220allowed to arm yourself right no no the state will will tell you that you're you know you must0.68
00:57:06.480be unarmed whilst at the same time inviting hordes of highly violent migrants in i wonder if this is1.00
00:57:12.760one of the reasons for the dissolution because deep in the you know the world soul or you know0.94
00:57:17.740whatever right the group soul the group psyche of these people they long for war and conflict i i
00:57:25.360guess for some reason to sacrifice for some reason uh to you know for something to to struggle against
00:57:32.820to push against and without it um frivolity is the inevitable result no i think that's absolutely
00:57:40.320true and you know not to wade into the gender wars here but uh you know women don't often know what
00:57:46.380they want you know they they they train a man to be one way uh if give if that if a man is you know
00:57:52.680willing to to kind of play along with that uh but they want something entirely different they say
00:57:57.180they want a man who is kind or uh you know uh you know has a passivity to him is ultimately
00:58:04.760going to kind of bend to their wishes but what they really want is someone who's going to
00:58:08.880you know be strong push back you know be aggressive uh you know uh you know use force0.99
00:58:14.440these are things that women say they don't want but you know if you ever read a woman's1.00
00:58:18.540romance novel you know absolutely not the case they really do want a savage man at the end of1.00
00:58:25.780the day and if they if they can tame enough of their own men they'll import new ones in a lot
00:58:31.120of ways uh again subconsciously i don't think that they'd say it out loud but i think that is
00:58:35.960something that plays itself out they they want something to tame right like that's the whole
00:58:42.540in my opinion right like that's the whole sort of like game again look at at women's romance right0.60
00:58:48.900like you know it inevitably is like you know a very very set formula they meet a savage man and
00:58:53.520then sooner or later this savage man is like gentle then you know i guess the the romance
00:58:58.980novel ends before he gets an accounting job and puts on a time becomes like a a massive
00:59:05.660turns into willy loman and death of a salesman yeah yeah right like it's it's it's it's a it's
00:59:11.660a struggle it's something to push against it's like a a project and you know you can sort of
00:59:16.840reach like a sort of a sort of happy medium but you know again i i think like men as well you
00:59:22.880know they they want a a project to fight for like an ideal to to fight for but since all these ideals
00:59:29.960are now basically forbidden what is there left except um frivolity and dissolution very true
00:59:36.080very true all right guys well we are going to wrap it up here i think we've got at least one more if
00:59:41.200not two more episodes uh given the uh length of the document uh but we we made better progress
00:59:46.460this time we we read more than three uh so uh well well done for us uh we're going to head to
00:59:51.940the uh questions of the people real quick but before we do uh mr news fist where can people
00:59:56.700find your great work uh you can find all my stuff on youtube just search for news fist um ignore
01:00:02.720the sri lankan news channel that is currently conflicting with my seo you can also find me on
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01:00:13.440i do a bunch of shows i do twice a weekly show with rhetorically defective over on his channel
01:00:17.280arty and fist and on thursdays i do a sort of comedy podcast what i've been covering recently0.68
01:00:23.820we've been covering the the sort of weirdness of the nation of islam and it's just hilarious0.99
01:00:27.680quite frankly um that's on thursday uh yeah just just check out on on twitter you can find all of1.00
01:00:34.180my shows are posted there thank you very much excellent all right let's go to the questions
01:00:40.320uh steven uh nitz uh nizek uh says intellectuals may not destroy empires but uh domathie domathians
01:00:49.420proved via the philipicus that intellectuals very much do destroy republics
01:00:56.400uh maddie ice says uh was an uh arabic student for a while vizier comes from the arabic root
01:01:05.000that means to carry a burden uh there's also a farsi turkish word of uh fasir which is a spiritual
01:01:12.520ruler uh likely related but there's no v sound in the classic arabic all right thanks maddie
01:01:19.760and then weirdy curb says uh what of the army of or prison choice offered to convicts
01:01:29.020this historically unique to america does this this devalue military service in the public eye
01:01:36.640um it's not it's not historically unique to america at all um look at the french foreign
01:01:43.660legion as as a as a good example look the problem that you have in in societies generally is that
01:01:49.740your bottom five percent of people have a massively outsized effect on the rest of society
01:01:55.480there's a great 4chan post that goes around that like illustrates this right that the most important
01:02:00.320group of people really in any society are your bottom bottom five percent because all the rules
01:02:04.700have to bend around them so the more of that bottom five percent you can get the hell out0.62
01:02:09.380um the more society benefits i've actually got this theory that that's actually what pakistan0.69
01:02:14.180is doing to to europe uh one of the reasons they won't take any of the people back is because
01:02:18.540they're basically getting rid of all the troublesome people and sending them over uh to europe and
01:02:23.620probably have an incredibly beneficial effect on pakistan as a country you know well we know this
01:02:29.140for a fact that uh you know this is what venezuela and uh you know other countries are doing uh in
01:02:35.940latin america to the united states and of course you know obviously we know that uh what your your0.59
01:02:42.180home country was born because uh you know the the british sent all their criminals to uh australia0.53