The Auron MacIntyre Show - October 02, 2025


Fascism as a Secular Satan | 10⧸2⧸25


Episode Stats

Length

9 minutes

Words per Minute

163.16507

Word Count

1,517

Sentence Count

90

Hate Speech Sentences

6


Summary

The post-Enlightenment West sees itself as a thoroughly secular and modern society. Sophisticated and progressive people have no time for silly superstitions or religious myths. But reality is a stubborn thing, and even if modern man believes that he has transcended the need for religious archetypes, they re deeply baked into the nature of the world that they reemerge in different ways. Instead of discarding concepts like evil or the devil, the West has reconstituted a secular version in the person of Adolf Hitler and the ideology of fascism.


Transcript

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00:00:18.400 The post-Enlightenment West sees itself as a thoroughly secular and modern society.
00:00:23.760 Sophisticated and progressive people have no time for silly superstitions or religious myths.
00:00:30.000 But reality is a stubborn thing, and even if modern man believes that he has transcended the need for religious archetypes,
00:00:36.300 they're so deeply baked into the nature of the world that they re-emerge in different ways.
00:00:41.300 Instead of discarding concepts like evil or the devil,
00:00:44.440 the West has reconstituted a secular version in the person of Adolf Hitler and the ideology of fascism.
00:00:50.640 One does not debate with the devil, one slays the devil, and the same is true of fascists.
00:00:56.160 This is why the left is now calling basic conservative ideas fascist,
00:01:01.020 because they're laying out the justification for political violence.
00:01:05.720 Would you travel back in time and kill baby Hitler?
00:01:08.780 This is one of the most common ethical questions that gets thrown around in discussions today.
00:01:13.580 Juxtaposing the innocence of an infant with the atrocities that could be prevented by an act that is immoral in any other context.
00:01:21.620 The murder of a child would normally be horrific,
00:01:24.100 but if it's a baby Hitler, a secular Satan who stands as our personification of evil,
00:01:29.540 perhaps it can be justified.
00:01:31.100 For many, the answer to this hypothetical is an enthusiastic yes,
00:01:34.480 because they see Hitler as so evil he stops being human,
00:01:38.140 and the rules of morality no longer bind you.
00:01:40.520 In 2017, the white nationalist Richard Spencer was punched in the face while giving an interview.
00:01:47.360 Spencer was not committing acts of violence or threatening anyone,
00:01:50.400 he was just simply sharing his views and exercising his right to speak.
00:01:54.500 The act was very popular with leftists,
00:01:56.960 and this began a dialogue around whether it was justified to punch a Nazi in the face.
00:02:02.200 The Supreme Court has, of course, made it clear that free speech extends to the rights of people like the KKK
00:02:07.380 to march in a Jewish neighborhood, even if it's full of Holocaust survivors.
00:02:11.460 But the majority of leftists ultimately agreed that it was justifiable for individuals to do violence
00:02:16.800 to those that they identify as Nazis.
00:02:19.480 Now that the moral justification for political violence had been established,
00:02:23.140 the only thing left to do was to label every conservative belief fascist.
00:02:27.340 The politically correct speech codes imposed by progressives have long served as secular blasphemy laws.
00:02:34.240 Charges like bigot, racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, and transphobe
00:02:38.420 all technically have different definitions, but they all mean the same thing.
00:02:42.960 Heretic.
00:02:44.080 At one time, these charges could have easily ruined an individual's life,
00:02:47.600 but as the left applied them to a wider set of basic conservative beliefs,
00:02:51.800 they started to lose their edge.
00:02:53.240 Now, progressives didn't change their strategy or anything.
00:02:56.340 They didn't rethink the effectiveness of morality of how they were going about this.
00:03:00.600 Instead, they just started to increase the intensity of their rhetoric during the Trump era
00:03:04.820 by deploying the term white supremacist in response to conservatives
00:03:08.480 who held radical beliefs like ending illegal immigration
00:03:11.900 or stopping the surgical mutilation of children.
00:03:14.560 This escalation proved ineffective,
00:03:16.760 and so their only option was to deploy fascists as their final word of power.
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00:03:52.020 In the modern secular narrative,
00:03:54.240 the United States derives whatever moral authority it has
00:03:57.860 from defeating Adolf Hitler and the Nazis in World War II.
00:04:01.740 Hitler was certainly evil,
00:04:03.140 though arguably no more evil than the man we joined forces with to defeat him,
00:04:07.680 Joseph Stalin.
00:04:08.920 In either case, it's certainly good that the Nazis were defeated and Hitler was stopped,
00:04:13.380 but this event has taken on a near-biblical quality for the left.
00:04:17.400 As the historian and political theorist Paul Gottfried has explained,
00:04:22.060 anti-fascism became the religious ideology of the West after World War II.
00:04:27.500 Every leader that America opposes from Saddam Hussein to Vladimir Putin is compared to Hitler.
00:04:33.580 Any form of nationalism became suspect.
00:04:36.180 The veneration of the family became taboo.
00:04:38.860 The idea of celebrating tradition or heritage became blasphemy.
00:04:42.700 As the author R.R. Reno has put it,
00:04:45.480 the strong gods had to be banished for the fear that they might once again stir the passions of men.
00:04:51.340 Secret Nazis could be hiding anywhere,
00:04:53.980 and so it was the job of every institution and individual citizen
00:04:57.300 to remain vigilant and report the enemies of humanity.
00:05:00.740 Despite this ongoing secular crusade,
00:05:04.120 fascism is not a threat to the United States.
00:05:07.100 As Gottfried points out,
00:05:08.700 fascism was a discreet political ideology centered mostly in Italy in the 1920s and 30s.
00:05:15.640 Extending the term even to the National Socialists of Germany muddies the true definition.
00:05:21.520 Fascism is a historical phenomenon that is as dead as the people who practiced it.
00:05:26.400 The ideology is not some eternal enemy of mankind waiting in the shadows to reemerge.
00:05:33.260 It's as relevant to the modern day as anarcho-syndicalism or the diggers of the English Civil War.
00:05:40.280 It's become fashionable among many on the internet left to refer to conservatives as ontologically evil.
00:05:46.480 Most of them have no clue what that means, of course,
00:05:48.780 but they do know that it allows them to treat their opponents as subhuman.
00:05:52.340 If one is ontologically evil, it means that evil is a fundamental part of their way of being in the world.
00:05:59.360 Evil is not a choice that they made that can be somehow reversed or atoned for.
00:06:04.340 It's the fundamental basis of their very existence.
00:06:08.200 There is no reasoning with or debating with someone who is ontologically evil
00:06:12.560 for the same reason that there's no reasoning with a man-eating shark.
00:06:16.520 The shark is simply doing what sharks do,
00:06:18.920 and your only option is to stop it by killing it.
00:06:23.580 News anchors, left-wing commentators, and Democrat politicians
00:06:27.140 now regularly call Donald Trump and his followers fascists.
00:06:31.380 Even former President Joe Biden called half the country semi-fascist.
00:06:36.620 The bullets fired at Charlie Kirk bore several anti-fascist slogans,
00:06:41.200 and many mainstream leftist commentators continue to call him a fascist even in death.
00:06:46.520 Charlie Kirk's views on family and Christianity are called fascists,
00:06:51.060 the same views that are held by tens of millions of Americans.
00:06:55.060 California Governor Gavin Newsom has repeatedly called White House staffer Stephen Miller fascist
00:07:01.160 for a simple reason.
00:07:02.980 Newsom wants someone to kill Miller.
00:07:05.560 That's not hyperbole.
00:07:06.880 That's just what that charge means.
00:07:09.180 That's what leftists mean when they say fascist.
00:07:12.060 The left has established a framework in which it's not just morally justifiable,
00:07:18.100 but it's morally required to kill fascists.
00:07:22.040 They have trained and funded entire networks of Antifa activists as foot soldiers to carry out
00:07:28.220 their extrajudicial killings.
00:07:30.640 They've defined the most benign conservative opinions as fascist.
00:07:35.460 When progressives apply the label of fascist, they know exactly what they're doing.
00:07:40.880 They're calling for your death.
00:07:43.560 It's critical that in America we come to regard baseless charges of fascism in the same way
00:07:49.700 that we regard someone calling for the lynching of a black man.
00:07:53.620 It should be seen as reprehensible, disgusting, unacceptable,
00:07:58.320 something that removes you from polite society,
00:08:01.140 something that keeps you from getting gainful employment,
00:08:03.700 something that makes everyone want to keep you at arm's length.
00:08:07.700 Let's be really clear here.
00:08:09.460 The left is not killing people because those people are really fascists
00:08:13.480 and somehow a danger to them.
00:08:15.340 They're calling these people fascists so they can kill them,
00:08:18.920 so they can justify their murder,
00:08:21.280 so they can end their life.
00:08:23.460 That's all the charge is meant to do.
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