The Auron MacIntyre Show - Marriage Is Being Socially Engineered Out of Existence ｜ Guest： Lauren Chen ｜ 9⧸11⧸26

00:00:00.000 hey everybody how's it going thanks for joining me this afternoon i've got a great stream with

00:00:12.440 a great guest that i think you're really going to enjoy recently we had a jobs report that came

00:00:17.380 out and said that 98 of new jobs went to women last month this is obviously a huge shift in the

00:00:22.980 way that our society ultimately employs people it changes the dynamic between men and women and

00:00:27.840 with the Lindsay Clancy trial and everything else that is going on, it's pretty clear that

00:00:32.140 we are actively socially engineering away the concept of marriage. Joining me today to talk

00:00:38.200 about that is the conservative show host, Lauren Chen. Lauren, thank you so much for coming on.

00:00:43.000 Thank you for having me.

00:00:44.840 Of course. So just beginning with this jobs report, the idea that 98% of the jobs that

00:00:51.900 we had in one month would all go to women is such an outrageous number that it has to say 0.63

00:00:57.440 something beyond women are just getting better at going through the hiring process, right?

00:01:03.180 What trend do you think is reflected in these numbers overall?

00:01:07.440 Well, I've heard people like Radfem Hitler say that this is simply because the areas in the

00:01:12.660 economy that are growing tend to be disproportionately female. Things like health care, 1.00

00:01:17.680 you know, daycares are still growing, needing more workers all the time. But let's be clear,

00:01:21.860 there is basically no industry, maybe not even surrogacy, that is 98% female. This is just, 1.00

00:01:28.320 this is not explained by, oh, it's just for healthcare workers. This is systemic discrimination,

00:01:32.560 and I don't think there's any other way to describe it. 98% of payroll jobs. It's a crazy

00:01:38.820 number to think of. And actually, I have this from Polymarket. It's in the same vein. It says

00:01:43.600 women have accounted for nearly all net U.S. payroll job gains since Trump returned to office

00:01:48.840 with female employment up 765,000 and male employment down roughly 6,000. So, you know,

00:01:55.800 the number you mentioned earlier, that was just August. Perhaps some people are also thinking,

00:01:59.780 well, this is just one month. Is it really part of a larger trend? But at least if that is accurate,

00:02:03.840 what Polymarco was saying, it does seem like this isn't something new. This is actually a trend

00:02:08.920 toward our economy, employing more females and fewer males. And I don't think there's anything

00:02:14.860 natural about it. You know, you might say, well, all women are more educated now. They're the

00:02:19.900 majority of degree holders. But if you look at what women are actually studying, communication, 1.00

00:02:25.740 psychology, these are not big sectors for economic growth. I think there's several things behind this. 0.95

00:02:31.480 I think, you know, DEI, HR hiring practices, HR, of course, overwhelmingly female. I think there's 0.99

00:02:37.380 also a lot of AI screening. Again, AI tends to, you know, when you talk about AI, it actually

00:02:44.460 it learns from things like existing literature about who to hire. Again, these are all things

00:02:49.600 that have been mainly females that have contributed to. So it's many things all working together,

00:02:53.780 unfortunately, against men, it seems. And like you said, against marriage as a whole.

00:02:58.600 Yeah, I think there are some real trends to observe. You know, we're ultimately, I think,

00:03:03.300 going to come down on the same conclusion that, you know, this is largely engineered. But there

00:03:07.440 is some truth to the fact that the sectors growing are predominantly female. I think that 1.00

00:03:13.360 that's, you know, obviously the care economy, these type of things are going to be dominated 1.00

00:03:18.220 by female employees. I think it's also true that in addition to perhaps the political incentives 1.00

00:03:26.540 for hiring women, there's also a social incentive for most companies because women are naturally 0.95

00:03:32.520 more compliant. They tend to be better behaved. They tend to follow instructions more thoroughly. 0.95

00:03:37.660 And so you have this, when you have this large managerial bureaucracy, you don't really want a lot of people who are going to get out there and shake things up, you know, they're going to break the rules, that kind of stuff. You want people who stay in the box, produce reliable results, are going to feel a high degree of duty to continue to return to that role and go through the process. They're very loyal to the managerial process. And I think that just is a role that naturally fits women better.

00:04:03.560 I think that they tend to have an easier time in those environments, much like we've noticed that women are outperforming boys in many of the school environments, the educational environments, because of their predisposition for sitting in class for longer amounts of time without need for activity with good behavior.

00:04:20.960 You know, these are these are real gender differences that do play themselves out in certain market environments.

00:04:25.700 But as you say, there's no way that that makes up a 98 percent share of what's going on here.

00:04:31.620 And so it's very clear that in addition to perhaps some level of, you know, anthropological adjustment to a managerial structure, you're also seeing a very heavy weighting of femininity when it comes to value in the hiring process.

00:04:46.120 as you say a lot of people are pointing to the fact that women are now more educated they have

00:04:51.180 the majority of the degrees and it's true that that's often in fields that are not the most

00:04:55.540 rigorous you're not getting as many female engineers that kind of thing but they're perfect 1.00

00:04:59.460 for middle management right those are exactly the kind of degrees that slot into these corporate 1.00

00:05:03.720 middle management structures so in a way they are the exactly the type of employee that the

00:05:09.520 corporations are looking for in addition there's also just a clear fact that men especially white

00:05:15.200 men are an unprotected class under the Civil Rights Act. They're easier to fire. They're

00:05:19.900 easier to hire. They're easier. Their concerns about workplace conditions or any of these things

00:05:24.940 are dismissed automatically. Unjust firing practices are often dismissed when it comes

00:05:30.760 to a male. And so it's much easier to kind of abuse the process with men because there are no

00:05:38.020 civil rights actions triggered when a case like that occurs. No, you're 100 percent right. And I 0.65

00:05:44.280 think when we talk about the the bureaucracy the middle management uh sector of the economy that's

00:05:49.300 growing and growing it's just it's basically you know that that viral tiktok video um trench coat

00:05:56.720 enemy trench coat enemy i i i forget i think it was some skincare company but it triggered basically

00:06:02.760 an entire generation of men into realizing that this largely is what corporate life looks like

00:06:07.960 not just in america but in the western world more generally you have a bunch of boss babes with their

00:06:12.460 laptop sending emails all day. Much of the economy is fake and gay in that respect. And, you know, 1.00

00:06:18.020 the people who are doing the hiring, people are going to be managing you. It's all female 1.00

00:06:21.720 dominated. And we see from statistically speaking, just as we see that female teachers tend to 1.00

00:06:27.180 penalize boys just for being boys. They've done studies on this. They will grade a paper more

00:06:31.520 harshly if there's a male name versus when there's like no gender name attached. I believe a similar 0.98

00:06:36.340 thing is happening with the hiring process. And, you know, if you are a especially young male who's

00:06:41.600 maybe just graduated college against the odds because admissions to college are stacked against

00:06:46.420 you. But now you're looking at an economy that unfortunately is similarly hostile. It seems just

00:06:51.640 to you as a person. And I think unfortunately for a lot of young men, the prospects they're facing

00:06:57.860 are very bleak, whether that's for the job market or the housing market and heck even marriage.

00:07:02.340 It's a really tough place to be as a young man. And I unfortunately, I don't see a lot of even

00:07:08.080 people on the right who are sympathetic to that. And I think, you know, historically speaking,

00:07:12.780 large numbers of unemployed single men has not been great for society's stability. And unless 0.99

00:07:18.880 something is addressed, then, you know, if people are concerned about the quote radicalization of

00:07:23.680 young men now, it's not going to get better. Just put it that way. Yeah. One of the reasons that you

00:07:29.840 see people become radical is because something radical has happened to them. And I think that's

00:07:34.380 what a lot of young men are standing around, you know, looking at the world that has been shaped

00:07:38.940 by their predecessors. And very interestingly, a lot of conservative commentators seem to get

00:07:44.980 an odd glee out of kind of spitting on young men and saying, well, you know, your grandparents had

00:07:51.900 it worse than you. It was a lot harder. You're not bootstrapping enough. Yeah, yeah. Uphill both

00:07:57.000 ways. You know, find your own way in the world. Don't be a complainer. Don't be a whiner.

00:08:00.960 Now, look, there's two aspects here. The first is that, well, Jordan Peterson's advice to the individual is correct, right? Clean up your room, get yourself together, put everything in perfect order. Like that is actually individually how you should act, because that's the only thing you have agency over. You only have agency over yourself, your behavior.

00:08:20.600 So it's true that when you're talking one-on-one with someone, they shouldn't be a victim,

00:08:24.560 no matter how bad the situation is.

00:08:26.560 They should be fighting for a better future, finding a way forward at whatever level they

00:08:31.300 can.

00:08:31.880 That advice is true.

00:08:33.300 The problem is that is not a political project.

00:08:35.760 That is not a political prescription.

00:08:37.480 When we move from the realm of the individual person and advice to them, and we move to

00:08:42.560 what are we doing as a political movement?

00:08:44.300 What are we doing as a society?

00:08:45.720 Well, then you have to actually address systemic issues because they are systemic.

00:08:50.140 They aren't the fault of the individual people.

00:08:52.040 That doesn't mean the individual people don't have a duty to do their best inside that system.

00:08:56.040 But you don't just sit there and say, well, I know that you lose 99% of the time when you pull that slot machine lever, but it's the only game in town.

00:09:03.380 So stop whining and get pulling and get lucky.

00:09:06.200 Like that's not an actual solution to this imbalance.

00:09:11.340 So why do you think there is this obsession with so many conservative commentators to dismiss this project, even though many of them spent the last decade getting rich?

00:09:19.560 you know kind of telling everybody about dei and how unfair it was and all the hatred for

00:09:24.740 men and whiteness and everything else but now when people say and i'd like to fix it they're like

00:09:28.280 whoa whoa whoa easy they're socialist yeah well i think there's a few reasons for that number one i

00:09:34.040 think if you look at the establishment conservative class and even the establishment conservative

00:09:37.960 punditry uh the fact of the matter is they are still invested to some degree in the status quo

00:09:43.740 when it comes to what a lot of the young men i'm i'm hearing i'm talking to what they're worried

00:09:49.440 about, it is demographic security. And this factors into a number of ways that there are

00:09:53.660 basically being shortchanged in society, right? If we look at male dominated fields, jobs and 0.76

00:09:58.860 industries, increasingly, these are the ones where we are getting flooded with illegal migrant

00:10:03.920 workers, whether that be construction, frankly, a lot of the trades. So these are traditionally

00:10:08.100 more male dominated jobs. Now, you know, it's not just that these men haven't been working hard

00:10:13.800 enough or anything like that. But it's like, literally, there's been an importation of,

00:10:17.880 I mean, millions and millions of workers who are undercutting their wages. They're working for

00:10:23.060 cheaper and not just because they're happy with less, but because they actually have a systemic

00:10:27.700 advantage. Right. They're not paying all the same taxes. They don't have all the same response.

00:10:31.660 You know, they're not worrying about their car insurance, their health insurance premiums or

00:10:35.020 anything like that. So the system actually is rigged in favor of these illegal workers. 0.97

00:10:39.720 Young men are being kind of priced out of the the job market, again, not because they're just

00:10:45.000 too entitled or anything like that, but because, hey, they actually do have to play things like

00:10:49.520 payroll taxes. They have to worry about insurance. They're not getting access to all the cheap

00:10:53.680 housing and things like that. And so this is a problem and concern with young men, but you still

00:10:58.440 have the billionaire donor class, a lot of these big business owners who might identify as

00:11:03.180 conservative, but that doesn't mean that they're against illegal immigration because it actually

00:11:06.760 benefits them. And we've seen this when initially the Trump administration was going pedal to the

00:11:11.520 metal with the deportations. It was some of these large companies in construction and you name it,

00:11:16.520 who are calling them up and saying, hang on, I don't like this. Okay, actually, I'm down for

00:11:20.980 less regulations and less taxes on my business, but I still want the cheap workers. So I think

00:11:25.700 it's very fair for these young men to call that out. And that's not about them being entitled.

00:11:30.140 That's not about them wanting some sort of white American DEI, but it's just saying, hey,

00:11:34.780 the system is actively rigged against me. And I don't think that's fair. I'm still going to try

00:11:39.240 to work hard, but let's talk about this. And a similar thing applies to the housing market,

00:11:43.780 right? I mean, it's just, I know boomers like to say, oh, we had it too, but we can tell

00:11:47.860 because of the numbers that we have that it simply costs more years of a salary in order to buy

00:11:54.380 that same starter home. It's an objective fact. Housing is less affordable now than it basically

00:11:59.620 has ever been. Part of the reason why is also mass migration. Okay. But guess who doesn't like

00:12:05.520 removing all of the illegals because it's going to drive housing prices down again it's it's 1.00

00:12:10.200 boomers right it's a lot of this the same older class that's very uh well established in in the 0.97

00:12:15.800 media in mainstream politics they don't want housing prices to fall because for you know the

00:12:21.280 most part it's a big it's a big part of their portfolio it's a big part of their uh their net

00:12:25.840 worth and so there that's why you have this kind of friction between the the young and i would say

00:12:32.080 overwhelmingly the older conservative establishment. And I think this is something we're going to see

00:12:37.000 come to a head more and more so in the coming months before the midterms. And we see people

00:12:41.780 like J.D. Vance actually, I think, aware of this. He is one of the few people in politics today

00:12:46.180 that seems to be cognizant of the fact that we have a very large voter base that is

00:12:52.320 potentially willing and ready to support the GOP, but they want to feel like their concerns

00:12:58.880 are heard as well, which I think is fair.

00:13:00.820 Every other group gets all of these freebies,

00:13:03.560 these gimmies from politicians come voting season.

00:13:06.360 It seems to accept, you know,

00:13:07.660 the white male working class younger people.

00:13:10.560 And so, I mean, you know, we have that,

00:13:12.300 I guess, family credit that's being floated by Vance.

00:13:15.260 And that's one of the few things

00:13:16.760 that I think Republicans might be getting messaging right on

00:13:20.500 if we want to appeal to the specific voter demographic

00:13:23.300 who right now is feeling alienated,

00:13:25.020 but historically has turned out very strong for the GOP.

00:13:28.880 Yeah, it was truly amazing. You know, after 2024, the Democrats launched a thousand think pieces about why Trump won.

00:13:35.980 And the consensus was young men that he had won young men over, even not just white young men, Hispanic young men, like just young men in general as a demographic.

00:13:45.680 And they start talking about the man problem that they have, the podcaster problem that they have.

00:13:50.300 They can't reach, you know, anymore. Now, funny enough, they paid some obese woman 20 million dollars and her discovery was men are evil and we shouldn't bother appealing to them.

00:13:58.360 So, you know, no credit to the Democrats for recognizing and then, well, hey, they were trying.

00:14:03.240 I think they were specifically also trying to appeal to like young black male voters.

00:14:06.840 So I don't think the irony that they chose this overweight female white woman.

00:14:10.440 I mean, that's an attempt was made, but I don't think it was.

00:14:14.780 No, it's it's truly amazing that after that, like horrific, you know, fumble from the Democrats, the so many of conservative commentators said, you know what?

00:14:25.400 we don't want young men either especially young let's snatch victory out of the jaws of defeat

00:14:30.820 or you defeat other way yes there we go but yeah no 100 it's like okay well here's the easiest

00:14:37.580 victory ever you have a whole party that's literally defined by their hatred for young

00:14:42.580 white men all you have to do is just say yeah we won't hate you and you win and we just couldn't

00:14:48.800 do it and so you're right like yeah I'm very glad that JD Vance has recognized that in a way that

00:14:54.140 others haven't. But it is truly an amazing way to throw away a victory. Now, one of the reasons I

00:14:59.840 really wanted to talk to you about this is the impact that this is having on marriages. There's 0.98

00:15:05.340 been a lot of ink spilled when it comes to the dating market, the marriage market, how abysmal

00:15:10.340 it is. Well, I will touch on some of that, I'm sure. But the main thing that I think is really

00:15:16.180 reflected in this statistic, you know, with the jobs and everything going to women is the impact

00:15:21.520 it has on family formation because women just don't marry unemployed men and they definitely

00:15:26.180 don't want to ultimately be married to men who make less than they do.

00:15:30.300 There are some exceptions, of course, but the statistics bear this out that even if 0.94

00:15:34.160 a woman is making a good living, she wants to see her husband make more. 0.94

00:15:38.760 It's not enough for her to just be a provider for the family.

00:15:42.000 Like, actually, she needs to see him outperform her even in when she is very successful.

00:15:47.080 And so if you're having the majority of women being the ones who go to college, when you 0.59

00:15:51.420 have the majority of jobs going to women when you have the majority of raises going to women 0.72

00:15:56.040 you're building a perfect structure where women are never going to find men who fulfill the basic 0.75

00:16:02.140 role that they like feel compelled biologically to have that man you know fulfill even if they 1.00

00:16:08.220 themselves have told them a lot of sales a lot of feminist lies about how the family should be

00:16:12.180 structured and so it seems like we have basically engineered the scenario where nobody in the next

00:16:18.220 20 years is going to be able to get married because the entire employment situation throws

00:16:22.080 the male-female relationship into chaos. You're right. And to be clear, I don't think this is, 0.73

00:16:27.820 and I'm assuming you're agreeing with me too, I don't think the level of female outperformance

00:16:33.820 in the economy and academia, it's not simply because women are just better than men. This

00:16:38.020 is something that has been inherently engineered. It's not that women are simply outperforming 0.98

00:16:43.420 their male peers. And that's just how it is. This is something that has been specifically designed

00:16:48.420 through DEI initiatives, these different HR programs, hiring practices, and in academia, 0.99

00:16:53.600 literal, just affirmative action to specifically favor female workers, female characteristics, 0.99

00:16:59.640 female traits over masculine counterparts. And this is a bad thing because when we're talking

00:17:05.100 about the demographic collapse that is happening, it's not, you know, it's not in debate anymore.

00:17:09.580 It's just an objective fact. There are so many countries that are asking themselves, what can we do to raise the birth rates? And we always see the answers like, oh, well, we just need more like paid leave. We need more all of these things. Universal daycare. Now, I'm not saying those things are inherently wrong. But I mean, I also think that. But I think it's also true to say that these do not increase the fertility rate. We have seen this.

00:17:34.520 I mean, like, you know, places like South Korea, they're basically paying you to have

00:17:38.660 like free whatever.

00:17:40.800 If you want to go back to work, we'll watch the kids.

00:17:43.220 But still, people are not having children. 1.00

00:17:45.040 I think because at the root of it, and this is true, women do not want to pump out babies 0.99

00:17:50.080 in order to hand them off to someone else to raise. 1.00

00:17:53.160 That is just not what women want. 1.00

00:17:54.860 You give women the free daycare that does not. 1.00

00:17:57.160 We've seen this measurably. 0.96

00:17:58.320 It does not increase the fertility rate. 1.00

00:18:00.160 what women actually want is to be able to feel comfortable and secure, to be able to stay at 0.99

00:18:05.840 home and raise their kids themselves. Okay. We saw there was like a slight baby bump when it came to, 1.00

00:18:11.440 uh, you know, COVID and some work from home initiatives, that type of thing actually works

00:18:16.460 with the fertility rate. What women want the way you get women to want to have babies is you give 0.99

00:18:21.180 them successful men who are able to provide for them and an environment where they can stay and 1.00

00:18:26.820 raise their own kids because no woman is glamorizing the idea of popping out a baby and then two weeks

00:18:32.460 later maybe four weeks heading back to work oh but we you're the daycare is free doesn't matter

00:18:37.240 that that doesn't trigger a woman to want to have kids and so when we actually think like what is

00:18:43.340 pronatalist policy I think pronatalist policy a lot of people wouldn't think about this but

00:18:48.780 pronatalist policy is policy that gets men back to work that increases the environment where they

00:18:54.380 are able to be successful, but also specifically that allows a single parent or single income

00:18:59.940 household to thrive. That's what really women want to see. That's going to make them feel secure, 0.99

00:19:05.300 want to have kids. And, uh, you know, I think when we see the failure of these quote, like

00:19:10.040 pro natalist policies in places like Scandinavia, like very generous nanny States essentially,

00:19:15.520 but still really low birth rates, it's because they're not, they're not really speaking to the

00:19:20.040 right drivers of what motivates women to have babies. So there's a lot there that I think is

00:19:25.720 really important. And maybe we can unpack it by looking at the subsidy that you kind of hinted

00:19:30.980 towards that the Trump administration is suggesting. So one of the things that J.D. Vance

00:19:36.000 has announced recently is that the Trump administration is looking at using the child

00:19:40.860 care funds that are set aside for helping low income people pay for child care to, as you say,

00:19:48.620 They dump their child off with some other woman so that they can go to work, which is the saddest thing modernity ever did is convince a woman that working to pay someone else to raise your child is better than you raising your child. 0.63

00:19:59.380 But that said, they said, OK, well, since we're already going to have this 12 billion dollars, there's already this hot, this fun sitting out there for us to distribute.

00:20:09.380 It all goes to our political enemies. And more importantly, it all goes to incentivize bad behavior.

00:20:15.500 Right. It's largely going to single mothers. It's largely going to broken households. That's who are qualifying for the funds. That's who's using the daycare for the most part. What if instead we said, OK, but if you're a stay at home mom, but you know, you're maybe your husband isn't quite making enough. 1.00

00:20:31.860 you guys need a little more to help make sure you can stay at home comfortably and make sure that

00:20:35.840 everyone's going to get fed and everybody's going to be safe. We'll make you eligible. I think it's

00:20:39.820 like a $9,000 credit towards the same amount that would be spent for you going to work and paying

00:20:47.240 for the childcare. You just get that for staying home and being the person who cares for your

00:20:51.140 child. So you are subsidizing, but you're subsidizing in a manner that allows the woman 1.00

00:20:55.320 to stay with her child, not to just dump her child off with somebody as soon as she's got

00:21:00.220 through maternity leave and and a lot of conservative commentators are losing their

00:21:04.720 minds over this they're like this is socialism this is the end of american capitalism this is

00:21:09.320 just you know we are doomed because we're gonna subsidize people having kids and that could be 0.90

00:21:14.780 nothing worse for conservatives than women staying home with their children it's already money that's 0.82

00:21:19.880 been carved out lauren it's not any they're not there's not a single new dollar being added to

00:21:23.560 this fund what is the trend here what's going on this is what is really really frustrating and

00:21:29.260 If you're a conservative who has been fighting really hard the entire time against this daycare

00:21:34.840 fund, okay, I understand. But you have a lot of conservatives who are upset about this

00:21:40.240 J.D. Vance carve-out for the stay-at-home parent that have previously been absolutely silent about

00:21:46.840 this daycare fund. So really, like you said, this is money that already has been allotted.

00:21:52.560 It already exists. We are simply trying to decide where it goes. There is nothing wrong

00:21:58.480 with trying to, since this money has already been taken, it's already been set aside,

00:22:02.620 direct it to positive places instead of places that you say incentivize negative behaviors for

00:22:10.280 society. So I think the people who are freaking out right now about this are ones who are essentially

00:22:15.820 shooting themselves in the foot. They seem to hate victory, hate, hate, hate appealing to voters,

00:22:21.720 but there is nothing negative about that. I want to have a broader conversation like,

00:22:25.720 oh, we should not be doing this daycare fund, period. I would agree with you, but you're never

00:22:31.220 going to get the votes to actually repeal this at this point. What we can do with the power that

00:22:37.100 Republicans currently have is at the very least try to allocate the funds in a way that is actually

00:22:42.480 pronatalist, that actually does reward the family structure that we would like to see more of.

00:22:47.000 This is a win on all accounts, really. And I think the people who are complaining about it,

00:22:51.920 I think they are they're letting perfect get in the way of the good, which is very, very like the, you know, Republican establishment class, unfortunately.

00:23:00.660 But I think this is this is something we need to see more of actually taking taking programs that already exist.

00:23:06.740 It's not new money being allocated and just putting it toward things that do better society.

00:23:11.720 I honestly do not understand the people who are complaining right now.

00:23:15.180 Well, I think part of it is they recognize the ongoing kind of battle for a post Trump Republican Party.

00:23:21.920 And anything J.D. Vance does is wrong because right now J.D. Vance represents, you know, a possibility that MAGA could continue beyond Trump, that we won't go right back to neocon, you know, fusionist ideologies.

00:23:33.840 And so I think there's just part of that.

00:23:35.380 They don't they they probably even haven't even looked at the program.

00:23:38.020 They just saw J.D. Vance said something and therefore it's wrong.

00:23:40.820 But there is also the fact that the conservative movement has just been completely ideologically possessed.

00:23:48.140 like they can't you know russell kirk said that you don't want conservatism to ever care about

00:23:53.440 ideology you're not conserving an ideology you're conserving a people so whatever's best for the

00:23:57.900 people is your belief system that that's what you actually that's the whole goal of the conservative

00:24:03.020 movement and it seems that instead the idea is we need to conserve this idea of small government

00:24:07.640 for the sake of small government now i prefer there to be less government i think that especially

00:24:12.360 for like protestant anglo-descended countries you tend to have an understanding that less

00:24:17.300 government is the ideal form for you that just kind of fits your society the best however that's

00:24:24.260 not a principle by itself it's it's not the goal the goal of having a smaller government is that

00:24:29.140 society is more successful so if we're currently in a scenario where we're not going to reduce the

00:24:33.900 size of the government as you say the the funds are already there the fire hose already has water

00:24:38.340 flowing through it the only question is which direction do you point right like that the money

00:24:42.420 is going to go somewhere so it can go to bad behavior and your political enemies or can go

00:24:46.960 to subsidize good behavior and your political allies and that idea of using power that already

00:24:52.840 exists you're not allocating new money you're not creating a new program but simply saying well if

00:24:56.780 this program's on the books and the and the reality is we are never going to get this thing

00:25:01.880 removed in any near term you know we're sorry we're not abolishing welfare this term like no

00:25:07.280 matter how many times maybe next time right right yeah i'm sure we'll get it next time but like

00:25:11.920 because that's not happening we can't we're not allowed to take these wins because we're more

00:25:15.920 addicted to just saying the word small government and socialism bad, then we are like actually

00:25:22.160 thinking about what it looks like to win in the current political environment as we see

00:25:26.200 it.

00:25:26.680 No.

00:25:27.220 And that's what's really frustrating to me is that like I'm also I genuinely ideologically

00:25:32.020 support small government.

00:25:33.880 I think that's the most moral.

00:25:34.940 I think it's the most effective.

00:25:36.080 However, in the current state of things, what I cannot help but notice is that you have

00:25:40.100 a you have an establishment Republican class that seems to care most about having, quote

00:25:44.580 quote unquote, small government when it is the populist right who is actually suggesting a way

00:25:49.400 to use government that benefits benefits us in any way, shape or form. I it just seems like there

00:25:54.200 is a frankly a double standard. Right. You know, you have people like AOC, Mom, Donnie, they're

00:25:59.620 they're having grocery stores run by the government. They are suggesting all manner of

00:26:05.580 ways to introduce new government control over our lives. And these established Republicans,

00:26:09.460 they might kick up a little bit of a fuss but largely it's oh it's it's the status quo doesn't

00:26:14.720 really bother them however someone like jd vance comes along and suggests what about we allocate

00:26:18.760 some of these funds to say to our parents laser eyes wake up no that's socialist and it's like

00:26:23.640 all right this does this does seem like you're more invested in protecting the status quo where

00:26:28.880 government only ever benefits the left than actually guarding against small government

00:26:33.000 if that makes sense because it seems like there's a lot more uh political currency being spent to

00:26:39.160 oppose the populist right than the left. We see this as well with health care. I'm just going to

00:26:44.180 say it. Polls show that overwhelmingly Americans do support the idea of like a single payer system.

00:26:50.520 Now, I don't support that. But when you have people who try to, from a right wing perspective,

00:26:55.900 say, OK, how do we lower costs for the average person with the, you know, with the caveat that,

00:27:02.400 hey, we already have socialized medicine when it comes to the VA, when it comes to low income

00:27:06.720 people, when it comes to older people, no one like no one on the right seems to care about

00:27:11.200 dismantling those programs. It's only when we actually say, hey, how can we kind of extend this

00:27:15.780 to the average working class person? Then there is the big fur. And it's a frustration, I think,

00:27:21.540 for a lot of Republican and conservative voters, but who are also maybe more populous and thinking,

00:27:26.640 hey, why is it only about small government when it's a time government could potentially

00:27:32.940 be in my favor. Does that make sense? And I think that's what's putting a lot of people off,

00:27:38.020 especially in the younger generations who have grown up with X, Y, and Z government spending

00:27:42.680 program, you name it, you know, $40 trillion of debt. But now when it's time to discuss,

00:27:47.880 hey, maybe something that actually helps me, oh, well, now it's too much government spending. Now

00:27:53.140 it's too much government control. Like, really? Because that previously has never seemed to stop

00:27:57.700 you people yeah it's hard not to recognize that we don't have money to subsidize a married mother

00:28:05.080 staying at home with their children but we do have money to subsidize iran and or rather uh israel and

00:28:11.460 ukraine right like like we're spending a lot more than 12 billion dollars uh currently uh you know

00:28:17.700 fighting wars in the middle east we seem to have i think it was like 150 200 billion dollars for

00:28:23.660 Ukraine, but we do not have $12 billion for, you know, mothers here at home. And so the question

00:28:29.900 is not, do we have socialism? Of course we have socialism. We have socialism for, you know,

00:28:34.700 minorities. We have socialism for single mothers. We have socialism for foreign countries. We have 1.00

00:28:40.960 plenty of socialism. We have socialism everywhere. We just don't have any incentives for the very

00:28:45.720 people who would actually be doing the right thing in our society. And that's the next thing

00:28:49.020 I wanted to talk to you about that kind of goes along with the social engineering away marriage.

00:28:53.660 Obviously, one of the huge problems is our entire society has been completely reoriented from the top down. 0.77

00:29:00.280 I mean, we spent hundreds of billions of dollars and made major institutions and changed our laws so that single women could raise children, right? 0.99

00:29:08.900 Like the natural order is that a single woman with a child was in one of the worst places you could imagine as a person throughout most of history, right? 1.00

00:29:18.020 That's why we guarded female sexuality so carefully. 0.90

00:29:20.340 That's why we put such an emphasis on marriage, because we knew that like women, especially women with children, were dependent on men and needed someone to keep them safe and needed someone to provide for them most of the time. 0.77

00:29:32.500 And so you have this natural order where even if, like, say your husband died, it was very common for women to marry their brother-in-law who would then take over the family because they needed to protect the children,

00:29:44.300 made sure she was not, you know, widowed and alone without any ability to protect those kids.

00:29:49.780 So it was, you know, all the way from the Bible up until, you know, the Old West and the United

00:29:53.980 States, this was a very common practice. And that was just the basic understanding. But we didn't

00:29:59.100 want women to be dependent on men anymore, especially men in their family. Or the church.

00:30:04.360 Or the church, right. Yep, absolutely. Any of these classic organizations that would have

00:30:08.360 stepped in that moment. So we decided we had to, like, alter everything about society from

00:30:13.380 putting women in the workplace, advancing 1.00

00:30:15.580 them in jobs, making sure that there's plenty 0.98

00:30:17.540 of welfare and everything else that can subsidize

00:30:19.580 this, and a thorough

00:30:21.220 police force to basically provide physical

00:30:23.520 security when no man was available.

00:30:25.660 And all of these changes,

00:30:27.200 conservatives don't seem to notice

00:30:29.500 that when it's all built into the system.

00:30:31.440 They're watching billions and billions of dollars

00:30:33.040 go to completely rearrange our society 0.95

00:30:35.220 to make marriage unnecessary.

00:30:38.040 And then the minute we try to spend 0.96

00:30:39.600 a little percentage of that money

00:30:41.440 to say, actually, maybe it would be good 1.00

00:30:43.200 if women were married and stayed home with their kids and all of a sudden now it's a travesty like

00:30:47.260 i don't see any of those conservative commentators saying we need to strip away benefits from all

00:30:51.040 single mothers like that right they know they're never going to say that but they will strip the 0.95

00:30:55.040 benefits from married mothers no you're you're exactly right and i think it's because increasingly

00:31:00.980 i'm realizing that conservatives in the western sense what they are interested is conserving the

00:31:05.280 status quo and conserving the system where it actually should be as you mentioned conserving

00:31:10.420 of people. And we also see this, you know, we see this with, you know, funding daycare for single

00:31:16.480 moms versus stay at home moms. Apparently, like no one's really kicking up a fuss trying to defund

00:31:22.040 the daycares. They should be, especially since by the numbers, it seems like most of it is just

00:31:26.500 going to Somali fraudsters, not even the daycares. But we also have this kind of the same similar 1.00

00:31:32.680 discussion when it comes to homeschooling versus public education. Right. You have most mainstream

00:31:39.200 conservatives on board with the idea. Like, yeah, we just keep funding public education,

00:31:43.460 just keep pumping it in. I mean, No Child Left Behind was a George Bush project, right?

00:31:47.960 But we have, you know, from the grassroots level, some people, some parents, some homeschoolers

00:31:52.800 are starting to say, well, what if the money that was going to a public school for my kid,

00:31:57.920 but I'm educating them at home, what if that went to me instead? You actually have people

00:32:01.860 on the right who are arguing against that because, oh, then that would be too much government

00:32:06.540 control for homeschoolers, even though there's not necessarily actually any stipulation that

00:32:12.320 there will be more government control than already exists because most states already do have some

00:32:17.180 sort of you need to follow some umbrella program that's going to keep track of like, you know,

00:32:21.620 standardized tests and things like that. It's not like from my to my knowledge, there's any states

00:32:26.320 that's just, all right, do whatever you want. So if there's going to be these funds allocated for

00:32:31.160 these students, should it not remain with the parents who are educating them at home? But

00:32:35.600 obviously you have leftists fighting against it but yeah it's just frustrating to see that you

00:32:39.640 would also have right-wing people fight against that under the premise of oh well that that would

00:32:44.120 lead to more government involvement well you haven't said much about the government involvement

00:32:49.120 that already exists and it's just weird if you you know we all have a certain number of hours in the

00:32:54.500 day where we can spend fighting against things it just makes no sense to me whatsoever that with all

00:32:59.680 of the leftist policies on the books that are just objectively bad and benefit nobody, that any

00:33:05.820 conservative would spend one waking moment fighting against a policy that could potentially benefit

00:33:11.560 homeschooling, stay-at-home parents, you name it. So another big event that I think has dealt a

00:33:20.500 serious blow to gender relations here recently has been the Lindsay Clancy trial. Obviously,

00:33:25.660 Not only do you have a situation where a mother, you know, murdered her children in cold blood in a premeditated fashion and expected with apparently some, you know, real credit to ultimately get off for the murder of her children by saying that she was temporarily insane.

00:33:42.440 um the fact obviously that we had this massive outpouring from a lot of women online when it

00:33:49.420 came to supporting lindsey clancy finding all these kind of candace owens style conspiracy

00:33:53.880 theories uh for how she didn't really do it or you know excusing saying well you just don't

00:33:59.140 understand postpartum depression uh of course you know you might be compelled to murder your

00:34:03.260 children in a you know cold-blooded fashion uh you know saying that that ultimately was a

00:34:07.940 justification but i think the the final part the one that was really brutal to the system

00:34:12.160 was watching the jury situation where you had nine women and three men uh all of the women

00:34:17.900 were voting in her direction two of the men were there's only one man only one guy one one true

00:34:24.140 patriot hold out there that was uh holding up western civilization but the fact that we're 1.00

00:34:29.000 now in the place where it seems you know the default setting is that women are gonna expect 0.73

00:34:35.280 you to think that a mother should be able to murder her kids not just in the womb but outside 0.96

00:34:39.640 the womb like that i guess the logical you know slippery slope that everyone said was ridiculous 0.97

00:34:44.800 where you know evangelicals in the 80s were like they're gonna end up murdering five-year-olds oh 0.60

00:34:48.920 don't be don't be insane yeah that'll never happen well here we are and we have the scenario where

00:34:54.720 that seems to be an expectation going forward that men will have to believe that for a large

00:35:00.500 percentage of women in society to ultimately find them worthy of being in a relationship

00:35:06.120 after every other bit of feminist propaganda that's kind of destroyed a lot of marriages 0.99

00:35:10.420 and relationships between men and women i can't think of anything worse than making you know this

00:35:15.200 some kind of like litmus test for uh relationships going forward but yeah what how do you think that

00:35:21.240 this is ultimately going to impact men male female relationships the ability for people to get

00:35:26.100 married, that kind of thing. Well, I think if you are a man, honestly, one of the most important

00:35:31.200 questions you can ask your female partner right now is, do you support Lindsay Clancy? Choosing 0.89

00:35:37.280 the mother of your children is probably one of the most, if not the most important choices you can

00:35:42.320 make as a man. This is the person who not only are you going to be connected to throughout your life

00:35:47.600 because you share children, but who will be investing the most hours into raising your kids.

00:35:52.660 There is no greater, I guess, test you could have for a mother than whether she thinks harming a child is excusable in any way, shape or form.

00:36:03.720 And I will, like, I do want to clarify, I obviously think Lindsay Clancy did it, but the women who don't think she did it because Patrick maybe, that's still, there's still no evidence for that.

00:36:13.820 even like she herself admits she did it her defense team admits she did it but the people

00:36:18.840 who think Patrick actually did it they're dumb but it's more morally I guess it's less morally 0.92

00:36:26.220 egregious in my opinion because a lot of the women who don't think Lindsay did it they're 0.99

00:36:30.640 operated they're operating by the assumption that a mother could never kill her kids it's just too

00:36:35.600 terrible you know so it's like it's wrong but at least there there is kind of at the minimum a

00:36:41.040 tacit admission that children murder bad, right? Children murder so bad, unthinkable,

00:36:46.580 that she couldn't have done it. Now, I think what they're overlooking is the fact that some

00:36:50.880 women are just ontologically evil. But when it comes to the women who think that it's in any 1.00

00:36:55.600 way, shape, or form excusable, justifiable, or understandable, these are the same women who I

00:37:03.600 think the pilgrims were burning at Salem. This is the toxic feminine energy that I think, 1.00

00:37:11.040 You know, hundreds of years have been recognized as a threat to not just families, but civilization as a whole. 0.98

00:37:17.840 There is no way, shape, or form that hormones, postpartum psychosis, depression, whatever, would justify anything remotely close to what Lindsay Clancy did.

00:37:26.580 And I will also remind your audience, Lindsay Clancy's youngest was eight months old.

00:37:31.660 Postpartum psychosis immediately following birth, you know, within the first few weeks is an infinitesimally small percentage.

00:37:39.740 it gets smaller and smaller as time goes on. Lindsay Clancy was eight months postpartum.

00:37:46.340 Okay. A lot of women, they're already down the baby weight when it comes to eight months. So 1.00

00:37:50.420 the fact that all of a sudden after eight months now she starts hearing voices, it just, it doesn't

00:37:56.160 make sense. It's not believable. But I think what is happening is that women aren't necessarily

00:38:01.400 believing that she went through the psychosis. What they are co-signing, what they are approving

00:38:06.400 of is the idea that women should be not held accountable due to the whims of their emotions,

00:38:13.600 right? Their feminine hysteria agency, whatever. And it's ironically the same type of logic that 1.00

00:38:19.260 in previous generations dictated women have fewer rights and responsibilities because we were

00:38:25.000 exactly this unaccountable class. Now women are similarly trying to push that, but they still 1.00

00:38:31.600 want the same rights and responsibilities. But simply we can't have it both ways, right? Either 0.53

00:38:36.300 women are rational agents who deserve all of the power political power uh that comes with being a 1.00

00:38:41.740 you know part of the franchise in the 21st century or we're just girls we're just at the whims of our 1.00

00:38:47.000 hormones we can't be you know we can't be held responsible then we also can't be trusted it

00:38:51.420 stands to reason and when it comes to the jury um that that one that one juror i hope he i hope his

00:38:57.980 pillow is eternally cold i hope he meets nothing but green lights for the rest of his life on a

00:39:02.980 highway 40 hours i think they spend in deliberation and this man refused to budge on the fact that

00:39:08.100 yes it was beyond reasonable doubt that lindsey clancy was of sound mind when she was orchestrating

00:39:13.220 the calculated murder of her children um this this uh this whole case watching it unfold has

00:39:19.260 been i don't know about you but it's been very it's been a very dark time dark season for me i

00:39:24.260 think back to covid and that was when uh you know i kind of lost trust in the medical establishment

00:39:28.640 when I realized what they were about.

00:39:30.600 I've always been critical of feminism, 1.00

00:39:32.680 but I think it has been this Lindsay Clancy case 0.89

00:39:35.780 that has really shown me the darker nature 1.00

00:39:37.940 of modern women as a whole, 0.99

00:39:39.640 because it's not just leftist women

00:39:42.320 who are seemingly excusing Lindsay Clancy, 0.99

00:39:46.660 justifying what she's done. 1.00

00:39:47.940 I've also seen a shocking number of conservative women, 1.00

00:39:50.740 but you mentioned the slippery slope. 1.00

00:39:53.420 Increasingly, we see it's not a logical fallacy.

00:39:55.900 It's actually just like an observable pattern

00:39:57.420 of human behavior. 0.95

00:39:58.640 This is exactly what we should come to expect when we are increasingly placing the concept of female bodily autonomy over the lives of children, you know, in the womb.

00:40:08.980 But it kind of stands to reason, well, you know, does the value of life really change that much before and after the birth canal, right?

00:40:18.500 I mean, we've already seen people kind of justify post-birth abortions like we saw in Virginia most horrifically.

00:40:24.920 but i think we're also seeing it more broadly extend to children as a whole in canada this

00:40:30.700 was shocking to me i found out through the lindsey clancy discourse that the maximum

00:40:35.080 penalty a parent can have for killing murdering their infant is five years right um there is no

00:40:45.380 there is no justification for a law like that aside from we are just embracing satan um and

00:40:51.720 And, you know, this is where this frankly is just where this whole this whole discourse around abortion and female bodily autonomy leads to.

00:41:01.100 And we are we are seeing that, yeah, we will in the year 2026 actually justify the killing of of toddlers, of young children, you know, five, three and eight months if it's to say like, oh, well, you know, what was the mom feeling?

00:41:16.960 That's the most important thing. Absolutely insane.

00:41:19.660 so this comes to the hardest question probably of this entire thing um because i think what

00:41:27.500 we're facing is a true structural problem in our society that's unavoidable as you say it seems that 1.00

00:41:34.640 the current pathology that feminists are kind of cooking up over there is the idea that men 1.00

00:41:43.400 are responsible for all the bad actions of women and women are responsible for all the good actions 1.00

00:41:48.820 of women. So no matter what, you know, women cannot, they are, women are responsible when 0.67

00:41:55.540 they do good things, but they are unaccountable when they do bad things. And this mirrors a lot 0.98

00:42:00.120 of other, you know, kind of, it's not just for women. We have the standard, I think often for

00:42:05.260 black Americans, unfortunately, you know, you, yes, they have full agency unless someone says

00:42:10.400 the N word and then they, you know, Carmelo Anthony can't be held responsible for what he

00:42:13.460 does at that point. You know, it's totally understandable. You know, you just had what's

00:42:17.240 coming you know you you wouldn't you know spit on a tiger if it was you know in your face which 0.99

00:42:22.140 you're like that's just what you have to expect and for women it seems to be this idea that well

00:42:26.440 women should have full male roles in society they should be able to support themselves they should

00:42:31.460 be able to you know have big jobs have uh important political positions this kind of thing 0.94

00:42:35.880 but also they can't ever be held accountable when they do something wrong uh that's an untenable 1.00

00:42:41.200 position but it also then opens up another question if women are going to insist that they

00:42:47.280 are incapable in certain scenarios of you know having male behavior of having you know that they

00:42:53.460 have to in some way be treated differently because well it turns out women and men are different not

00:42:58.020 just below the neck but also above the neck that when you have this scenario it seems like not only

00:43:05.480 is it hard for women to be held accountable, but also large amounts of our family formation 0.99

00:43:12.340 problem, as we previously talked about, exists because of the scaffolding we built to go ahead

00:43:18.060 and permit women to be single and have children. So if we don't remove all of this architecture 0.95

00:43:24.680 that has been created to keep men and women apart, then they're not going to get married, 0.92

00:43:30.200 right? We've built this into education. We've built it into business. We built it into the 0.94

00:43:34.240 law system, built it into family court. At every step, we've basically hedged the welfare of women 1.00

00:43:40.420 so that they don't have to be attached to men in order to receive the classic benefits 0.96

00:43:45.220 of marriage and family. So is it possible for the family to return without in some significant way

00:43:53.820 making women dependent on men again? That's probably not something that most women want to

00:43:58.500 hear, but ultimately, is that the conclusion that we have to draw? Well, I will say that

00:44:05.820 whether women like to hear it or not, the truth is we are dependent on men. And the only reason 0.57

00:44:11.900 that this current system where women are kind of incentivized to be boss-based, the only reason 1.00

00:44:16.520 why it can't exist is because it does so off the backs of men. If we look at who pays net taxes in 1.00

00:44:22.660 this country. Overwhelmingly, it is simply males. Men are paying the net taxes. Single mothers 0.88

00:44:29.080 disproportionately are the receivers of this generosity. So the single moms who are, quote,

00:44:36.540 doing it by themselves, they're actually not doing it by themselves. They are still being 0.96

00:44:39.760 carried by the men who are, through their taxes, funding these choices. And I think what we need

00:44:45.980 to do is we frankly need to remove the structural support that men are giving. It needs to be

00:44:51.200 one-to-one, right? It's not fair for a single mom to just say, all men of society, you must 0.93

00:44:56.160 fund my bad choices. No. If women want to have kids, it should once again be incumbent on the

00:45:01.760 fact that a single man, a father is going to be responsible for that. So I think we need to remove 1.00

00:45:06.860 the financial incentives for women to pursue single motherhood. And I also, I will openly

00:45:11.820 say this, I'm increasingly of the mind that we frankly just need to bully women more to behave 1.00

00:45:17.020 correctly. Because women, we are social creatures. We operate overwhelmingly by consensus. I've 0.99

00:45:22.180 kind of mentioned this on my streams. But, you know, if women are asked, like, so do you think 0.93

00:45:26.100 he's cute? More times than not, they're going to look at what their friends kind of think before

00:45:31.440 they give their opinion. This is just how a lot of women operate. And for the longest time, you 1.00

00:45:38.240 know, if we look back the 1700s, 1800s, the way that women policed each other's behavior was 0.92

00:45:44.240 overwhelmingly through things like, you know, slut shaming, trying to enforce proper social 0.98

00:45:50.120 standards. Historically, women have been more religious than men as well. Women are kind of

00:45:54.480 like the moral gatekeepers of society. But what's happened over the, you know, the 20th and 20th 1.00

00:45:59.800 century is that female mentality has kind of been subverted through the feminist movement. 1.00

00:46:04.760 So women are still policing each other. They're still gatekeeping. They're still bullying each 1.00

00:46:08.180 other. But now they're bullying each other like, oh, what, you're a trad wife? Oh, you're right 1.00

00:46:13.760 wing. Let me henpeck and ostracize you. So now the social incentives are totally flipped from 1.00

00:46:18.880 what they should be. So I think as conservative women and as men as well, we need to start trying

00:46:24.240 to reinforce the proper social order, right? So it cannot be more glamorous, more, I guess,

00:46:31.720 amiable to be a boss babe than to be a stay-at-home mom with a beautiful family of children.

00:46:38.060 And the only reason why we would think that it would be the case is because we've had, I mean, 1.00

00:46:41.740 at this point, decades, generations of propaganda that has been feeding us like, oh, wow, that woman

00:46:47.160 is behaving just like a man. That's amazing. Promiscuity, that's no problem, right? This is

00:46:51.880 not something that has naturally occurred. This has been years and years of concerted effort,

00:46:57.740 like through media, through education, trying to frankly brainwash our entire society, not just

00:47:03.180 women, but also the men, the men who are complicit in this. And I think conservatives need to be a

00:47:08.060 little bit less ashamed of hurting people's feelings by enforcing what is morally right.

00:47:12.980 We could start with the Lindsay Clancy case, right? So if we have, you know, girlfriends,

00:47:17.120 fiancés who are supporting the idea that child murder is in any way defensible, excusable,

00:47:22.160 well, they need to be ostracized. They need to be broken up with. They need to be publicly shamed. 0.98

00:47:26.160 I'm basically, my platform is we need to get back to publicly shaming women when they behave badly 1.00

00:47:31.400 because it's only when we stop doing this that female behavior started getting out of control. 0.83

00:47:36.580 And like I said, females are still shaming each other, but now they're just shaming each other for being Trump supporters, for dating a right wing guy. I mean, you see the vitriol that people like Nara Smith and Ballerina Farms, like the trad wife influencers that they get. And it's because they're making the rest of women look bad. So they have to, you know, there's like the sisterhood chooses to attack these targets. 1.00

00:47:56.880 So, you know, women, we respond very strongly to social incentives.

00:48:02.620 And I think, you know, the more that men can also wrap their minds around that, the more we can get back on the right track.

00:48:08.820 I don't know if you saw that tweet.

00:48:10.080 There's very few times where I'm like, man, I wish I wrote that. 0.88

00:48:12.640 But there's that one tweet where if the male jurors actually want the female jurors to turn on Lindsay Clancy, all they need to do is start talking about how hot she is.

00:48:19.380 Yeah, that was amazing.

00:48:22.720 Poetry, arts. 1.00

00:48:23.740 Um, but yeah, like we, I think female, female intuition, it's, or sorry, female nature is not necessarily a huge mystery. We just need to start trying to utilize it to, you know, reward or punish behavior appropriately, which we haven't been doing for, again, generations since I would say at least the third wave feminists. 1.00

00:48:42.880 yeah and as you say conservatives are absolutely culpable for this i you you pointed out there and 0.83

00:48:49.560 it hadn't occurred to me but i think it's a great point it seems that the left has more control of

00:48:54.400 women because they're willing to shame them yes the left is fine shaming women they shame them

00:49:00.040 in a very particular way that's socially acceptable uh conservatives are terrified of

00:49:04.020 shaming them the minute we hear you know what things we heard from conservative political

00:49:08.100 pundits repeatedly you can't talk about the lindsey clancy case what do you want to lose 0.96

00:49:11.660 female voters yeah what you want it's and it's ridiculous it's exactly the opposite it's because 0.67

00:49:16.500 you won't police female behaviors because you won't shame women they don't respect you they 0.99

00:49:21.280 walk it which is something every man should know about female behavior at this point but it's just 0.80

00:49:26.000 it's just a conservative girl dad disaster over there it's conservative nice guy them uh completely 0.91

00:49:31.740 destroying them because they because they are not willing to hold a woman to a standard they are not

00:49:35.920 willing to shame a woman women do not respect them and then therefore in their own like disgust with

00:49:40.740 conservatives, they move to supporting liberals in many cases. Right. And the thing is, what some men 0.98

00:49:46.900 don't understand is that women are just as hierarchical as men are. We are. It's just that

00:49:52.200 the hierarchies are displayed differently and they are enforced differently. But if you go to any

00:49:56.200 female friend group, any all girls school, any basically female organization, there's plenty of 1.00

00:50:01.720 hierarchy. It's not always overt. It's not always explicit, but it definitely exists. And you can

00:50:06.560 observe it through the social order the left understands this and you know we even see like

00:50:11.340 you said like people like Tommy Lahren who should be conservative oh we can't we can't criticize

00:50:15.260 women in any way shape or otherwise they might vote for the left the left has never worried at 0.98

00:50:19.920 all about losing female support no matter what they do to women like the left can actively invite 0.97

00:50:24.840 criminals across the border to to rape to murder women they can give away female only spaces they 1.00

00:50:32.500 They can, I guess, redefine what it even means to be a woman, period. 0.98

00:50:36.460 And still, they don't worry about losing female voters, and they don't lose female voters.

00:50:41.120 And it's because they understand that it's not just about who criticizes women.

00:50:44.780 It's about kind of like rewarding or disincentivizing, punishing these different social behaviors.

00:50:52.720 So last question I want to ask you is in some ways the most controversial one, but I think, you know, people throw it out there flippantly.

00:51:00.600 um you know a lot of people will joke about well the 19th amendment you have to end the 19th

00:51:05.980 amendment after all of this and you know uh i don't think that's a political reality uh i just

00:51:11.680 don't think you know until until you get some kind of you know uh franco in the united states

00:51:16.080 that's simply not going to happen however there is a real question here because it's very obvious

00:51:22.420 that men and women being political blocks being being groups to which political parties can lobby

00:51:29.480 to can appeal to is destructive to gender relations. It's very obvious that the Democrats

00:51:35.280 basically becoming the party of immigrants, women, and weak men, and the Republicans becoming the 0.76

00:51:40.840 party of men and married women is not great for society. It's tearing it apart in a very real 0.72

00:51:47.080 sense. This is a concern that many anti-severagets had when the 19th Amendment was first introduced,

00:51:52.460 saying, look, you're supposed to vote as a household. The minute that both people have a vote,

00:51:56.560 politics is going to tear people apart they're going to disagree about politics and it's going 0.85

00:52:00.360 to rip the family apart and we're seeing that to be the case it's there's a lot of reasons why men

00:52:05.580 and women have trouble interacting but a very real one is that political parties are fighting

00:52:10.380 for competing interests and they're centered largely on uh you know what benefits one gender 0.97

00:52:15.100 or the other and so is there a way forward to reducing some of those privileges you're talking

00:52:22.100 about defunding all the things that benefit single moms and ultimately avoid keep us from

00:52:27.700 shaming women when they have bad behavior from the right hand things can't any of that be addressed 0.99

00:52:32.040 while women are still a political block it does the very existence of female suffrage 0.53

00:52:36.820 imply that we will always move down this path of kind of bipolar gender parties well what's

00:52:44.780 interesting is that if you look historically previously there have been generations where

00:52:50.840 women were actually more likely to vote right wing than men. And we've seen this in the UK as

00:52:56.640 well during the prohibition era. So that's the thing. Females tend to be like the moral gatekeepers

00:53:02.340 of society, but that might change what that actually looks like in practice changes depending 1.00

00:53:08.480 on what society's morals are. So we live in a progressive society. So women are overwhelmingly

00:53:12.960 progressive, but this was not the case when we were a conservative religious society. Women were 1.00

00:53:17.700 overwhelmingly more conservative and more religious. So trying to take back the female 1.00

00:53:21.860 vote, Republicans, is basically the same question as trying to take back society as 0.97

00:53:26.700 whole. It starts with the media. It starts with entertainment. It starts with all of

00:53:30.900 these different institutions. And there are things now, even though conservatives don't

00:53:37.160 have much institutional power to speak of, that conservatives on an individual level

00:53:41.480 can do to try and incentivize these behaviors. Women might control access to sex, but men 0.99

00:53:46.960 control access to relationships. And even with all the feminist brainwashing, the majority of 1.00

00:53:51.940 women still want relationships. But we see all of these, you know, TikTok videos of girls don't 1.00

00:53:57.180 date Republicans, blah, blah, blah. If you are a man, you need to make it clear that you will not

00:54:01.460 tolerate outward, like a super progressive woman, right? Men need to be more outspoken about the

00:54:08.040 fact that they could, they prefer a traditional woman, someone's conservative, or heck, even

00:54:12.320 better, apolitical, because women do respond to that type of thing. And for the longest time,

00:54:18.200 it's kind of been like women have been on the offense, controlling everything, and men have 1.00

00:54:22.400 been kind of henpecked to be too afraid to have any type of political preference or anything like 0.90

00:54:28.000 that. That's starting to change. And, you know, I think we need to do more like that as conservatives,

00:54:35.020 right? We need to start glorifying what women should be doing, as well as shaming what women 1.00

00:54:40.520 shouldn't be doing. We need to, you know, heck, any woman who's got kids, married, a homemaker, 1.00

00:54:47.080 we need to be raising these women, propping them up. I think it's Mongolia. They actually have 1.00

00:54:51.140 medals where they award to women who have like, you know, multiple kids. The homemaker needs to 1.00

00:54:55.700 be the most desirable, the most glamorous job that exists, period, like it was previous. I think it's

00:55:01.840 C.S. Lewis who said that, you know, homemaker is the most important role. All other roles exist to

00:55:06.920 support it, which is really how it is. Everything we do as a society should be so that the home can

00:55:12.260 be a place where the parents and the children can live harmoniously. It's a big societal change that

00:55:18.480 will have to take place and it won't be overnight, but we need to remember that the change that's

00:55:22.680 brought us to this day, that wasn't overnight either. This is over a hundred years in the

00:55:27.700 making, so it's not going to be reversed easily, but we can start by at least acknowledging that

00:55:33.320 something needs to change, that none of this is organic. And yeah, like I said, even with our

00:55:37.460 day-to-day preferences, letting it be known that, no, we're not going to glorify the harpies,

00:55:42.780 the harlots, the Lindsay Clancy's. We're going to shame them as we should.

00:55:47.080 Yeah, I think that we're probably reaching a bottleneck when it comes to human selection,

00:55:52.700 where it's going to be people who are religious, who are willing to impose those type of values,

00:55:59.360 who are going to be the ones that have children, obviously, because you're getting to a point where

00:56:02.780 kind of you know people who are secular people who do not have some motivation to stand up against

00:56:07.580 you know the the current paradigm uh they're just going to end up not having kids or they're going

00:56:11.720 to kill their kids uh you know as tragic as that is uh and then you're going to have the people who

00:56:17.100 are much more traditional much more willing to stand up for classic gender roles much more willing 0.96

00:56:21.500 to assert expectations on men and women uh both uh in their roles those are going to be the people

00:56:27.760 who actually have marriages who maintain relationships who have large families uh and

00:56:32.880 so it's not going to be pretty i don't think i think we're looking at a generation or two

00:56:36.720 of a real hardship trying to kind of turn this ship around but i think the just the basic

00:56:42.420 realities of courtship and marriage and maintaining families and having kids are going to play

00:56:48.000 themselves out eventually we simply cannot continue to kind of fund every terrible decision

00:56:53.120 And the United States is going to run out of money real quick.

00:56:56.040 And from there, nature will reassert itself, no matter how ugly it is in the process.

00:57:01.400 But, Lauren, it's been fantastic speaking with you.

00:57:03.240 Guys, this is a prerecorded episode, so sorry we can't take any Super Chats today.

00:57:07.260 However, Lauren, can you tell people where to find your great work?

00:57:10.580 Sure.

00:57:10.980 So you can find me on X.

00:57:12.180 I'm at the Lauren Chen.

00:57:13.080 You can also find me at that same username on Instagram and Facebook.

00:57:17.520 and if you'd like to hear more i stream monday wednesday friday on x kick twitch rumble and

00:57:22.880 facebook and my podcast anathema is also available basically wherever you get your podcasts

00:57:27.840 fantastic guys we'll make sure that you're checking out lauren's work and of course if

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The Auron MacIntyre Show - September 11, 2026

Marriage Is Being Socially Engineered Out of Existence ｜ Guest： Lauren Chen ｜ 9⧸11⧸26

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