The Ben Shapiro Show - Circular Firing Squad | Ep. 377

00:00:00.000 So President Trump is getting rid of the Deferred Action for Childhood Rivals program, President Obama's executive amnesty.

00:00:05.000 Sort of.

00:00:06.000 Or maybe he's not.

00:00:08.000 Or what's he gonna do next?

00:00:09.000 And what's everybody yelling about?

00:00:10.000 We will explain all of it.

00:00:12.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:12.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:19.000 So much DACA your head will spin.

00:00:21.000 We'll go through all aspects of the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals program.

00:00:25.000 Where everybody stands.

00:00:26.000 Why is everybody going nuts when they basically all agree on policy?

00:00:29.000 And why is it that Republicans are so terrible at everything?

00:00:32.000 We'll explain all things.

00:00:33.000 All things will be clear by the end of today's show.

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00:02:12.000 So...

00:02:13.000 Yesterday, of course, the big news was President Trump announces that President Obama's Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals program is dead.

00:02:21.000 Or is it?

00:02:22.000 Or maybe not.

00:02:23.000 Or kind of, but not really.

00:02:25.000 That's sort of what this was.

00:02:26.000 So, remember, all the people who were in the Ann Coulter in Trump We Trust

00:02:31.000 They thought that this was going to be Trump's number one thing.

00:02:33.000 He was going to come in, he was going to deport a bunch of illegal immigrants, he was going to move out the parents, he was going to take the kids, he was going to dump them also.

00:02:40.000 There was going to be mass deportations, there was going to be a deportation squad, a deportation force.

00:02:44.000 This is what a lot of people who were on the Trump train from the very beginning thought.

00:02:47.000 In fact, remember back to the campaign, there's a revisionist history going on now where a lot of people say, well Trump was always soft on immigration. 0.98

00:02:53.000 Are you insane?

00:02:54.000 I was here every day doing play-by-play for the campaign. 0.98

00:02:58.000 One of the things that Trump did to great effect was bash the living hell out of people like Ted Cruz, who is very strong on immigration, as not strong enough on immigration.

00:03:06.000 If you recall, Donald Trump basically took Marco Rubio's head, stuck it in a toilet, and then sat on it over the issue of immigration and the Gang of Eight bill.

00:03:14.000 The idea was that you could never give amnesty to anyone

00:03:16.000 Well, now, Trump comes along, seven months into his administration, instead of getting rid of DACA on day one, President Obama's executive amnesty on day one, he waited for seven months.

00:03:25.000 And then, he had Jeff Sessions come out and say that this is being rescinded because it's illegal.

00:03:29.000 Here was Jeff Sessions, his attorney general.

00:03:31.000 It shows you how uncomfortable Trump is with the actual policy here, that he sends out Sessions.

00:03:36.000 If Trump were really comfortable, he'd go out and announce it himself.

00:03:38.000 He did with the Paris Climate Change Agreement, if I recall correctly.

00:03:42.000 That is not what happened here.

00:03:43.000 Here is Jeff Sessions.

00:03:44.000 The reason that Jeff Sessions stuck around, by the way, you remember like a month ago when Donald Trump was just humiliating Sessions on a daily basis?

00:03:51.000 That was only like six weeks ago, okay?

00:03:52.000 Time has stopped.

00:03:53.000 We're actually moving backwards in time.

00:03:55.000 We've reached 88 miles per hour in the political sphere and we're back in 1955 trying to make sure that Marty's mom and dad get together.

00:04:02.000 But time is moving so slowly. 0.77

00:04:03.000 It was only like six weeks ago that Jeff Sessions was being attacked by President Trump as incompetent and terrible and horrible.

00:04:09.000 Well, Jeff Sessions stuck around because this is the only thing Jeff Sessions cares about.

00:04:13.000 Okay, the illegal immigration issue is one of Jeff Sessions' big things.

00:04:16.000 I know this because I was at a drinking session, a late night drinking session between Ann Coulter, Jeff Sessions, and Stephen Miller.

00:04:22.000 It was like two years ago.

00:04:23.000 Three years ago, maybe.

00:04:24.000 Yes, three years ago.

00:04:25.000 And Jeff Sessions and Stephen Miller and Ann Coulter were all hot and heavy over what they were going to do to restrict immigration.

00:04:32.000 So this is Jeff Sessions' thing.

00:04:33.000 Okay, he loves this.

00:04:34.000 So here's Jeff Sessions yesterday.

00:04:35.000 Look how happy he looks.

00:04:36.000 For the first time in months, he really looks truly happy with what he's doing here.

00:04:40.000 The program known as DACA that was effectuated under the Obama administration is being rescinded.

00:04:48.000 The DACA program was implemented in 2012 and essentially provided a legal status for recipients for a renewable two-year term, worker authorization, and other benefits, including participation in the Social Security program to 800,000 mostly adult illegal aliens.

00:05:11.000 Okay, so he's very happy about all of this.

00:05:13.000 Now, he's right that this is unconstitutional, okay?

00:05:16.000 It was being struck down by the courts.

00:05:17.000 This is the weird thing.

00:05:18.000 If Trump had just waited for about three weeks, there were a bunch of courts that were going to strike down Obama's executive amnesty, and then he wouldn't have to do anything.

00:05:25.000 But he jumped the gun and announced instead that he's getting rid of DACA and then throwing it over to Congress.

00:05:31.000 Let's start with, I got a couple emails yesterday, people wanted to know why is DACA unconstitutional.

00:05:35.000 The reason that DACA is unconstitutional is because the President and the Department of Justice do have prosecutorial discretion.

00:05:41.000 They can just decide who they want to prosecute and who they don't want to prosecute.

00:05:45.000 It does raise questions about legality when you are just absolving friends and family, but

00:05:51.000 They're allowed to do that, they do have prosecutorial discretion.

00:05:53.000 That's not really the issue here.

00:05:55.000 The issue is that Obama went further than that.

00:05:57.000 Under DACA, all these people were not just said, it wasn't just said they're not going to be prosecuted for being here illegally, they're actually handed work papers.

00:06:05.000 Okay, so the Obama administration, without legislative approval, went ahead and did all of this.

00:06:08.000 That is a usurpation of legislative authority.

00:06:11.000 The legislature is given the responsibility to decide whether to give amnesty and work papers, whether people should be here legally, and the executive branch basically decided to overthrow all of that.

00:06:21.000 That's why it's unconstitutional.

00:06:22.000 So Sessions says, we're going to rescind DACA, and he's obviously very happy about it.

00:06:27.000 Trump, however, has different thoughts.

00:06:29.000 Trump is split on this, because Trump, on the one hand, says, I want all these people out.

00:06:33.000 On the other hand, he also says, I want all these people in.

00:06:36.000 So here is Trump yesterday, literally yesterday, saying he has great love for the Dreamers.

00:06:40.000 Well, I have a great heart for the folks we're talking about.

00:06:44.000 A great love for them.

00:06:46.000 And people think in terms of children, but they're really young adults.

00:06:51.000 I have a love for these people, and hopefully now Congress will be able to help them and do it properly.

00:06:57.000 And I can tell you, in speaking to members of Congress, they want to be able to do something and do it right.

00:07:02.000 And really, we have no choice.

00:07:04.000 We have to be able to do something.

00:07:05.000 And I think it's going to work out very well.

00:07:07.000 And long term, it's going to be the right solution.

00:07:09.000 Okay, we have no choice is always Trumpian code for, I'm not sure I really wanted to do this, but we have to do it, right?

00:07:15.000 This is what he's saying here.

00:07:16.000 Now, here's the thing that's funny.

00:07:18.000 If Trump, the left is going nuts over this, of course, because if he has a great heart for these people, then why is he just making them, why is he exposing them to possible deportation?

00:07:27.000 The answer would be that he wants, his actual answer, what Trump is actually saying here, is not that he wants to get rid of DACA.

00:07:33.000 He's saying, I want DACA to be permanent.

00:07:35.000 I want the legislature to actually make DACA permanent.

00:07:38.000 So he's actually ramming through Obama's executive amnesty as legislation.

00:07:42.000 Something Obama couldn't do with a Republican Congress.

00:07:44.000 Trump wants to do with a Republican Congress.

00:07:47.000 This is Trump's Nixon in China moment.

00:07:49.000 Nixon campaigned in 1968 and 1972 as a very anti-communist guy and then he travels to China and quote-unquote opens China.

00:07:56.000 That's what Trump is doing here.

00:07:57.000 He campaigned as a very anti-illegal immigrant guy.

00:08:00.000 And here he is now saying he wants the legislature.

00:08:02.000 Okay, make no mistake.

00:08:03.000 This is what he is doing.

00:08:04.000 He's announcing publicly that he wants Congress to make Obama's executive amnesty permanent.

00:08:09.000 That's what he's saying here.

00:08:09.000 And in case he wasn't clear enough, here's what he tweeted yesterday.

00:08:13.000 He tweeted this threat.

00:08:14.000 Quote, Congress now has six months to legalize DACA, something the Obama administration was unable to do.

00:08:20.000 If they can't, I will revisit this issue.

00:08:23.000 Okay.

00:08:25.000 What he's saying here is he wants DACA to be permanent.

00:08:29.000 He just wants Congress to do it.

00:08:30.000 He doesn't want to be blamed for doing it.

00:08:32.000 He wants Congress to do it.

00:08:33.000 And what's amazing about this is that the entire threat here, let's say that you're a Republican congressperson and you're looking at your base and your base really does not want you to enshrine DACA.

00:08:41.000 Your base hates DACA.

00:08:43.000 Not because of the unconstitutionality issue.

00:08:44.000 They hate it mostly because they don't want 800,000 so-called dreamers to be in the country illegally. 1.00

00:08:49.000 They want some of these people deported.

00:08:52.000 So you're a Republican congressperson, and here comes Trump sauntering down to your office, and he says, I want you to pass this.

00:08:57.000 And you say, well, I can't because then I'll get primaried.

00:09:01.000 Mr. President, are you going to protect me from primary?

00:09:03.000 And Trump sort of just hides behind the curtain.

00:09:06.000 Trump's not going to protect any of these Republican congresspeople from being primaried, which is why you're seeing Paul Ryan say, I'm not going to push any bill at all unless Trump explicitly endorses it.

00:09:16.000 Because Trump has set up this weird situation where all the Trump people are loyal to Trump, but Trump is now pushing a policy that is precisely the reverse of what he was pushing during the campaign.

00:09:27.000 I mean, let's be frank about this.

00:09:28.000 If we're going to be honest about what Trump is doing here, what he's doing here is backtracking on a key campaign promise.

00:09:32.000 This is not just me saying it, it's Ann Coulter saying it.

00:09:35.000 Ann Coulter was the biggest Trump booster in this election cycle, bar none.

00:09:38.000 Here is what she said on Twitter.

00:09:41.000 She said, that's great.

00:09:42.000 Sarah Huckabee Sanders says Trump wants comprehensive immigration reform, exactly what he used to denounce.

00:09:47.000 She said, Trump's landmark election-winning immigration speech, 8-31-16, enforcement first, we can't even discuss amnesty until we have a wall.

00:09:55.000 Weird how Sarah Huckabee Sanders, Trump's spokesperson, obsessively attacks Congress. 1.00

00:09:59.000 Trump's not going to get out of betraying voters on the wall by blaming Congress.

00:10:04.000 So she's absolutely hammering President Trump over all of this.

00:10:08.000 And if you are intellectually honest and you thought that Trump was going to actually get rid of DACA, you should be hammering him too, because the fact is what he is now calling for is keeping DACA.

00:10:16.000 And here was the threat that he was going to use, right?

00:10:17.000 The threat that he was going to use against his own Republican congresspeople wasn't, I need you to pass this bill or I'm going to primary you.

00:10:24.000 It was, if you don't pass this bill,

00:10:27.000 Then I am going to go after all 800,000 illegal immigrants, and then the Republican Party will become very unpopular. 1.00

00:10:33.000 So you pass the bill, you take the responsibility, I'll reluctantly sign it, and that will be the way that we work this thing.

00:10:39.000 Right?

00:10:39.000 That's the way that Trump wants to work it.

00:10:41.000 The way Trump wants to work it is he wants Congress to pass executive amnesty.

00:10:45.000 He wants to say, I had no choice but to sign it.

00:10:47.000 They had wall funding.

00:10:48.000 Right?

00:10:49.000 That's what he wants to say.

00:10:50.000 And then he wants to turn around.

00:10:52.000 And blame Congress for everything.

00:10:54.000 And Congress is saying, I don't want to do that.

00:10:57.000 But Trump's entire threat to get Congress to do that is that he's going to be the bad guy, right?

00:11:00.000 He's going to step in and start deporting people.

00:11:02.000 But in this tweet, he says he's not going to do that.

00:11:05.000 In this tweet, he gives away every bit of leverage he has.

00:11:08.000 In this tweet, he says, if they don't pass DACA, I will revisit the issue.

00:11:12.000 Meaning, maybe I'll leave DACA in place after all.

00:11:15.000 Maybe this is all fake.

00:11:17.000 Maybe I'm pretending here.

00:11:19.000 So what does this really say?

00:11:20.000 This says that Trump doesn't want to get rid of DACA.

00:11:22.000 Okay, Trump was doing something that he thinks is going to be just sort of enough facade to fake out his base, but it's not really an actual policy.

00:11:32.000 Okay, it's not an actual policy of changing immigration policy.

00:11:35.000 His entire administration is on the same page here.

00:11:37.000 Sarah Huckabee Sanders says this is not cold-hearted.

00:11:39.000 He's upholding the law, but it's not cold-hearted.

00:11:42.000 Dreamers, supporters of Dreamers say this is cold-hearted.

00:11:45.000 You're leaving the future of 800,000 people uncertain, up in the air.

00:11:50.000 What's your message to them?

00:11:51.000 It's not cold-hearted for the president to uphold the law.

00:11:55.000 We are a nation of law and order.

00:11:57.000 And the day that we start to ignore the fact that we are that, then we throw away everything that gives these people a reason to want to come to our country. 0.72

00:12:05.000 If we stop becoming the country that we were envisioned to be, then we throw away what makes us special, what makes America unique.

00:12:12.000 This president's not willing to do that.

00:12:13.000 The previous administration was.

00:12:15.000 This one isn't.

00:12:16.000 But we want to have real solutions.

00:12:18.000 We want to have laws that address these problems.

00:12:22.000 But it's Congress's job to legislate, not the president's.

00:12:26.000 And we actually want to uphold the Constitution.

00:12:30.000 And I think people across this country should be celebrating the fact that they have a president that is standing up and upholding the Constitution as he was elected to do.

00:12:39.000 But again, that doesn't wash because he's then calling on Congress to pass exactly the same policy that he's rejecting at the executive level.

00:12:45.000 So even if I agree with the constitutional argument, which I do, I don't understand why Trump's base is not upset with him if he is going to push Congress into basically an amnesty program that he was elected to stop.

00:12:58.000 That he was elected to stop.

00:12:59.000 Remember, this is the same Republican Party that rejected President Bush's amnesty program.

00:13:04.000 This is the same Republican Party that rejected Marco Rubio for the Gang of Eight stuff.

00:13:09.000 So this notion that Trump can push it and get away with it would be an amazing, amazing shifting of the goalpost by a lot of Trump's fans if that's indeed what happens.

00:13:17.000 Now, what this means is that there's a conflict between left and right over nothing.

00:13:21.000 They basically agree on policy.

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00:15:37.000 Okay, so...

00:15:39.000 Here's the amazing thing.

00:15:40.000 Democrats and Republicans apparently agree on the Dreamers.

00:15:42.000 Trump agrees that he wants them to stay.

00:15:44.000 The Republicans agree that they want them to stay.

00:15:46.000 The Democrats agree that they want them to stay.

00:15:47.000 So naturally, that means that they're clubbing each other in the head with baseball bats.

00:15:51.000 Because that's how our politics works now.

00:15:53.000 The way our politics works is that people don't disagree on anything, but they have to invest their politics with a deeper meaning, and so they beat the living crap out of each other every single day over virtually nothing.

00:16:03.000 Understand something.

00:16:03.000 The Democrats agree with Trump on DACA.

00:16:06.000 Trump agrees with the Democrats on DACA.

00:16:09.000 He wants Congress to pass DACA.

00:16:11.000 Okay, the idea that there's any broad disagreement here is insane, but that's not the way this is being painted.

00:16:16.000 So, President Obama immediately decides to come back out of the woodwork and bug everyone.

00:16:22.000 We just couldn't get rid of him.

00:16:23.000 He goes on Facebook and he decides that he has to defend his executive amnesty.

00:16:27.000 Here's what he says.

00:16:27.000 He says, quote,

00:16:29.000 Immigration can be a controversial topic.

00:16:31.000 We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy.

00:16:34.000 And people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules. 0.98

00:16:40.000 But that's not what the action the White House took today is about.

00:16:44.000 This is about young people who grew up in America.

00:16:46.000 These dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one, on paper.

00:16:51.000 They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants.

00:16:55.000 They may not know a country besides ours.

00:16:57.000 They might not even know a language besides English.

00:17:01.000 Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked to write legislation that would have told these young people, our young people, that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you've been here a certain number of years, and if you're willing to go to college or serve in our military, you get a chance to stay, earn your citizenship.

00:17:17.000 For years, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

00:17:19.000 That bill never came.

00:17:20.000 And he goes on and he calls Trump cruel, right?

00:17:22.000 He says, it's cruel.

00:17:24.000 What if our kid's science teacher or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a dreamer?

00:17:27.000 Where are we supposed to send her? 1.00

00:17:29.000 To a country she doesn't know or remember?

00:17:31.000 With a language she may not even speak?

00:17:32.000 Okay, this notion that if you were brought here as a child, you therefore must stay because we have a responsibility to you.

00:17:39.000 This has never made sense to me.

00:17:40.000 It's just not a good argument.

00:17:41.000 It's like saying your parents embezzled so you get to keep the cash.

00:17:46.000 It may hurt you.

00:17:47.000 It's not your fault your parents are in Brazil. 0.85

00:17:48.000 Is it your fault your parent was a criminal?

00:17:50.000 But we all live with the legacy of things that our parents did that were wrong.

00:17:54.000 It's the country's decision as to whether people should stay or not.

00:17:56.000 This is why I've always thought it's so weird that when it comes to immigration, we always treat people as a class.

00:18:01.000 I'm not a big fan of treating people as members of a class, as you know.

00:18:04.000 I know the left likes doing this, right?

00:18:06.000 You're Hispanic, or you're black, you're an illegal immigrant, you're a Jew, you're a woman. 0.99

00:18:10.000 I like treating people as individuals.

00:18:11.000 So this seems to me as though we should approach illegal immigrants in the same case-by-case way that we approach people who are trying to come here legally.

00:18:19.000 And when my father-in-law came to the United States with his wife legally, he had to go through a rigorous process, he had to show that he was employed, he had to show that he wasn't gonna be on welfare, he had to show that he was going to

00:18:28.000 That he was going to be employed by this employer for a certain period of time.

00:18:32.000 He had to have a green car, right?

00:18:33.000 He had to go through this long process.

00:18:35.000 It took my wife 10, 15 years to get citizenship.

00:18:38.000 Okay, that seems to me the same way that we should treat DREAMers. 1.00

00:18:42.000 That just because you were here from the time that you were two, let's say, just because you were here from the time you were two, that doesn't mean that you are automatically a citizen.

00:18:49.000 And that means that the country has the ability to make the decision as to whether you are a detriment or benefit to the country or not.

00:18:54.000 So, it seems to me we should be approaching this on an individual level, but the temptation for Democrats is always to treat everybody as a class and then say that if you want to get rid of some members of the class, you hate the entire class.

00:19:06.000 You understand how this logic works?

00:19:07.000 This is how Democrats operate. 0.73

00:19:09.000 What they do is they say, all black people are victims. 0.56

00:19:12.000 Then you say, well that's not true.

00:19:13.000 Some black people are not victims. 1.00

00:19:14.000 They say, you hate black people. 0.99

00:19:16.000 Don't you understand you hate them? 1.00

00:19:18.000 That's the reason you're targeting black people right now. 1.00

00:19:19.000 It's because you hate them. 1.00

00:19:20.000 Because all black people are victims. 1.00

00:19:22.000 And they do the same thing with Hispanics and illegal immigrants. 0.93

00:19:25.000 They say, well, all of these dreamers are wonderful people who deserve to stay.

00:19:28.000 You say, well, some of them probably are.

00:19:31.000 Many of them probably are.

00:19:31.000 But some of them probably are not.

00:19:33.000 And Democrats say, how dare you attack the Dreamers?

00:19:36.000 How dare you attack them?

00:19:38.000 I mean, there are very few Dreamers who are very bad people. 1.00

00:19:40.000 How dare you say some of them should go?

00:19:42.000 How dare you say we should screen them?

00:19:43.000 How dare you say we should treat them as individuals?

00:19:46.000 That means that you hate the entire class. 0.99

00:19:47.000 You must be a racist! 0.96

00:19:50.000 And this is the routine that Obama is pulling today.

00:19:53.000 He says, the action taken today isn't required legally, it's a political decision and a moral question.

00:19:58.000 Okay, first of all, it was required legally, but Trump undercut his own case for why it was required legally by waiting seven months to do it.

00:20:04.000 It's also weird that if you say it's unconstitutional, that you're saying that in six months you may reimplement it.

00:20:10.000 So, Trump has a case, but he's undercut his own case.

00:20:13.000 And then, Obama continues, he says, I'm very sick of this argument again, the no-fault, the through-no-faults-of-their-own routine is really a bad argument.

00:20:19.000 Okay, there are a lot of people who we were, like, the vast majority of criminals are criminals

00:20:35.000 Technically, through no fault of their own. 1.00

00:20:36.000 Not the vast majority, but a significant minority of criminals are people who maybe grew up in bad circumstances without any sense of morality, and they make decisions because they're stupid. 1.00

00:20:45.000 And now we put them in jail. 1.00

00:20:46.000 Okay, is that their fault?

00:20:47.000 You know, it's a contingent of fault.

00:20:49.000 It's not quite the same thing.

00:20:50.000 I mean, if you're born in the United States, obviously you have no control over the circumstances of your birth.

00:20:54.000 But, I mean, I would like to apply the same logic to people who are wealthy.

00:20:58.000 Right, why is it that people who are born into wealthy families are supposed to pay all of their estate tax, right?

00:21:03.000 They're supposed to have all their money given away.

00:21:04.000 Were they born rich through some fault of their own?

00:21:07.000 Was that their fault?

00:21:08.000 Like, we can't determine where we're born, but we can determine where we go from there, which is why I think we should offer a pathway to citizenship for dreamers who we think ought to stay in the same way that legal immigrants ought to stay, but they ought to go to the back of the line. 1.00

00:21:20.000 He says this action is contrary to our spirit and to common sense.

00:21:24.000 Business leaders, faith leaders, economists, Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today.

00:21:29.000 So, you know, Obama's going nuts.

00:21:31.000 And this is pretty common. 0.97

00:21:32.000 You're seeing all the Democrats lose their minds.

00:21:35.000 Andrea Mitchell, she comes out from MSNBC and she says, Jeff Sessions used the word illegal aliens.

00:21:40.000 That's just offensive.

00:21:41.000 It's just terrible.

00:21:43.000 It also denied jobs to hundreds of thousands of Americans by allowing those same illegal aliens to take those jobs. 0.96

00:21:53.000 To say nothing of his use of the word illegal aliens, which is offensive to a lot of people and not correct.

00:21:59.000 But Michael, the fact is, I don't know what he's talking about when he talks about the border.

00:22:03.000 Because this has nothing to do with the border.

00:22:05.000 Oh no, we certainly, that's certainly the correct term.

00:22:08.000 I mean, illegal alien just means a person who came here illegally.

00:22:11.000 So, but again, the idea here is that you're a racist if you suggest that we have to control our borders.

00:22:16.000 Joy Behar says the same thing.

00:22:17.000 She says, it's racist!

00:22:18.000 It's racist!

00:22:20.000 I mean, if the Trump administration is all about jobs, a lot of them employ people also, by the way, but if they're all about jobs and saving money and having money in the United States, then why would you then get rid of people who contribute $24 billion a year?

00:22:34.000 That's the lie.

00:22:34.000 That's the lie, that it's not about that, because none of these kids or people, whatever ages they are, are from Sweden or Norway.

00:22:42.000 They're all from these brown, so-called brown countries. 1.00

00:22:45.000 They're called brown people who are not white. 0.76

00:22:48.000 Non-white people. 0.91

00:22:49.000 So there's racism involved here, and why don't they just admit it?

00:22:52.000 Okay, the idea, by the way, that all DREAMers are from Mexico is just not true.

00:22:57.000 Okay, the fact is that DREAMers are from a wide variety of countries. 0.84

00:23:01.000 Apparently, there are 800,000 undocumented immigrants who are given a DACA referral.

00:23:05.000 Here they are, by top countries of origin.

00:23:07.000 Okay, you ready?

00:23:08.000 El Salvador is number one, at about 28,000.

00:23:11.000 Guatemala is number two, Honduras is number three, Peru is number four.

00:23:14.000 Then, South Korea.

00:23:16.000 Okay, so about 7,200, 7,300 members of the Dreamer community who are South Korean.

00:23:22.000 Okay, the Philippines is on this list at 5,000.

00:23:23.000 India has 3,000 people on this list.

00:23:27.000 There are a lot of people from South and Latin America, but that's because we have a contiguous continent with them.

00:23:31.000 But the idea that it is only people who are from countries that are south of the border, that's not technically true.

00:23:39.000 It's just not technically true.

00:23:40.000 But again, the idea is that Trump is a racist if he wants to enforce the border.

00:23:43.000 But the problem is Trump doesn't even want to enforce the border.

00:23:45.000 Okay, that's the thing that's amazing.

00:23:47.000 Trump isn't even interested in deporting all these people, and I'm going to explain why I think a lot of people are going to go along with this regardless, and it just demonstrates why partisanship has now taken a front seat over good policy on both sides.

00:24:02.000 We'll get to that in just a second.

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00:25:20.000 So, the left is going nuts over this, even though they know it's Kabuki theater.

00:25:24.000 Why are the left going nuts over this, even though they know it's kabuki theater?

00:25:26.000 Because they're trying to damage Trump, even though Trump's actual intent here is to do the same thing that they want.

00:25:33.000 And some of this is on Trump.

00:25:33.000 He's playing a double game here.

00:25:35.000 On the one hand, he's trying to appease his base.

00:25:37.000 On the other hand, he's trying to signal to everybody that wink-wink, nod-nod, I kind of like DACA.

00:25:42.000 Like, Republicans are split on this, and you're not seeing Trump come down in one direction or another.

00:25:45.000 It's kind of fascinating, actually.

00:25:47.000 Lindsey Graham, for example, he sounds exactly like a Democrat when he says to DREAMers, you've done nothing wrong. 0.89

00:25:53.000 To the Dream Act, uh...

00:25:56.000 There are a lot of people on the Republican side of the aisle who understand your dilemma and we want to find a fair solution because you have done nothing wrong.

00:26:05.000 You came here as children.

00:26:06.000 You've contributed to society.

00:26:09.000 You have passed criminal background checks.

00:26:11.000 You've demonstrated your ability to be beneficial to the country now and in the future.

00:26:17.000 The only thing that stands between you and certainty in your life is the Congress.

00:26:22.000 That cannot be that reassuring.

00:26:23.000 Okay, that's the same thing that Trump is trying to say, is that it's Congress's fault.

00:26:27.000 Congress should step in and fix all of this.

00:26:29.000 And here's the thing, the Democrats agree.

00:26:31.000 Dianne Feinstein, right?

00:26:32.000 Democrat senator from California, my state.

00:26:34.000 She's not a good senator, but she is a bright lady. 1.00

00:26:37.000 Here's what she had to say about Obama's executive amnesty.

00:26:39.000 She said Congress should have fixed this a long time ago.

00:26:43.000 DACA was executive order.

00:26:46.000 Legal is the law of passage of something.

00:26:49.000 There are 10 attorneys general that are prepared to sue.

00:26:54.000 I don't want to get into that.

00:26:56.000 The point is DACA is here and we've got 800,000 young people.

00:27:02.000 Your answer indicates though that it's on shaky legal ground.

00:27:06.000 It is.

00:27:06.000 That's why we need to pass a law.

00:27:09.000 Okay, she got ripped up and down by her own party for saying what is obviously true, that DACA was on shaky legal ground.

00:27:15.000 And it's really funny because you're seeing the media go nuts right now.

00:27:17.000 Look at the uncertainty that's been created by DACA.

00:27:20.000 Yes, the uncertainty created by DACA is because President Obama decided to use executive amnesty instead of trying to get something through Congress.

00:27:29.000 That's why there's...

00:27:30.000 I don't

00:27:48.000 I find this whole thing really distasteful.

00:27:50.000 I gotta be honest with you.

00:27:51.000 I find it really distasteful because I think there's an honest argument to be made for deportation for a certain number of people who are here illegally and not benefiting the country as a whole. 0.99

00:28:00.000 Again, on an individual level.

00:28:01.000 But Obama used these people as pawns in 2012 to win re-election.

00:28:04.000 He had control of the Congress from 2008 to 2010.

00:28:06.000 He did not do a damn thing on any of this. 0.83

00:28:10.000 It's an easy pass. 0.82

00:28:11.000 It's an easy one.

00:28:12.000 He could have done this in 2009.

00:28:13.000 He didn't.

00:28:14.000 He chose not to.

00:28:15.000 And then he used them as pawns in 2012 in order to create this poison pill situation for President Trump.

00:28:19.000 And now President Trump, in order to appease his base, is getting rid of DACA just so long as Congress will pass something else.

00:28:25.000 I mean, he's pledging that if Congress doesn't pass something else, he's going to go right back to DACA, or at least will consider it.

00:28:30.000 Is any of this good policy?

00:28:32.000 No, it's not good policy, and it shows you why partisanship on both sides is destroying the debate.

00:28:36.000 Everyone on both sides basically agrees on this issue, even though they probably shouldn't.

00:28:41.000 And yet they're bashing each other's brains in for this kabuki theater for their own base, because the Democratic base refuses to allow Democrats to work with Trump, and the Republican base wants to pretend that Trump is actually not in favor of DACA.

00:28:51.000 Blech! 1.00

00:28:53.000 Okay, so, when we come back, I'm going to explain to you a couple of things I like and things I hate.

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00:30:07.000 Okay, so I want to get to some things I like and some things I hate because there's one thing I hate that really is astonishing today that I want to spend a little bit of time on.

00:30:14.000 So, let's start with a thing that I like.

00:30:17.000 So, the thing that I like today is when I was in law school, I tried watching this show.

00:30:22.000 There are certain shows where, I don't know, when I was single and in law school and bored and it was winter, very often I would leave the TV on in my room just because you want some company.

00:30:31.000 Right, just because you want to hear some voices in the room while you're reading an incredibly boring law book.

00:30:37.000 And there are certain shows you can't do that with.

00:30:39.000 Like, there are certain shows, particularly sitcoms, where you can sort of do that, but there are certain shows where if you don't watch them closely, because there's actually a lot going on, then you miss what's going on, you don't enjoy the show fully.

00:30:48.000 So, one of those shows was The Wire, which I've recommended on the show before.

00:30:52.000 When I first watched it, I was watching it sort of half-distracted.

00:30:55.000 It's a show you really have to concentrate on in order to enjoy the show fully, because there's too much going on plot-wise.

00:31:00.000 Another show that's like that is Deadwood.

00:31:01.000 So when I first watched Deadwood, I really was not a big fan.

00:31:04.000 I also couldn't get over the cursing.

00:31:06.000 There's an enormous amount of cursing in Deadwood.

00:31:08.000 It was sort of, the way that it was created,

00:31:11.000 The creator's a guy named David Milch and they use the F word and the C word and every C word actually that is possible to use, they use in that show.

00:31:19.000 They use all of these words on a really frequent basis.

00:31:21.000 The reason, apparently, that they use those words is because all of the actual curse words that were used in the Old West, things like Galdarn, they sound funny to the modern ear, so David Milch wanted you to be shocked by the language and how much people cursed back then, so he used modern curse words.

00:31:35.000 The F word, believe it or not, did not come into common

00:31:38.000 currency in the United States until like the 1920s.

00:31:40.000 That's when it became an actual common curse word.

00:31:42.000 Before that, the f-word was not a thing.

00:31:44.000 Now, it is amazing how it's become so common that it's almost losing its impact, the f-word, and people are going to move on to new and more egregiously vulgar forms of language pretty soon.

00:31:53.000 In any case, Deadwood is all about the mining community of Deadwood, South Dakota.

00:32:00.000 This is back during the post-Civil War era, like shortly after the Civil War, and it's really well acted.

00:32:07.000 A lot of the people who are stars on Deadwood are known for the parts that they played on Deadwood.

00:32:14.000 Particularly, I'm thinking of the guy who plays the saloon keep.

00:32:18.000 Why is his name escaping me now?

00:32:20.000 Ian McShane.

00:32:22.000 Ian McShane.

00:32:22.000 He's become a big star because of Deadwood.

00:32:24.000 Timothy Olyphant was the star of the show, but he's actually the weakest link in the show in terms of acting.

00:32:30.000 Keith Carradine plays Wild Bill.

00:32:33.000 He plays Wild Bill Hickok.

00:32:36.000 The guy who really is the best thing in the show and was underappreciated is Brad Zuroff.

00:32:40.000 Brad Zuroff is one of the great actors of our time.

00:32:42.000 Okay, so for people who don't know Brad Zuroff, watch this show, and then watch Lord of the Rings, and then watch One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

00:32:48.000 Okay, in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, he plays Billy Babbitt.

00:32:52.000 It is one of the single greatest film performances ever, because if you read the book and then you watch the movie, he is the character.

00:32:57.000 He is the character.

00:32:58.000 I mean, he inhabits a character like no one else.

00:32:59.000 When he's Grima Wormtongue, he is Grima Wormtongue. 0.81

00:33:01.000 And when he's the Doc in this, he is the Doc.

00:33:03.000 Brad Zurf is one of the most underappreciated actors in modern American history.

00:33:07.000 He really is terrific.

00:33:08.000 He's only had these sort of bit parts, but he's amazing.

00:33:10.000 In any case, the show is really first rate, so you should go and check out Deadwood.

00:33:14.000 Here's a little bit of the preview.

00:33:16.000 Sans the Cursing.

00:33:17.000 It is definitely R to X rated.

00:33:20.000 I would say more R-rated than X, but here is Deadwood.

00:33:23.000 There's a hell of a place to make your fortune.

00:33:35.000 No ball at all in Deadwood.

00:33:36.000 There's a lot of gold out here.

00:33:38.000 Something terrible is going to happen.

00:33:40.000 You're going to find out something now about yourselves and your fellow man.

00:33:46.000 No one gets out alive.

00:33:53.000 Okay, there's so many terrific, terrific kind of character actors in this.

00:33:59.000 It really is a showcase for all of these character actors.

00:34:01.000 So you get people like Powers Booth, right, who shows up as Sy Tolliver.

00:34:04.000 You remember him as Curly Bill Brocious in Tombstone.

00:34:09.000 And he shows up as the rival saloon keep to Ian McShane.

00:34:12.000 Really a terrific show, and it has some depth to it as well, so go and check out Deadwood if you have a taste for that kind of stuff, if you're able to handle that kind of cursing and HBO-level violence and sex.

00:34:27.000 Okay, time for some things that I hate.

00:34:34.000 All right, so the first thing that I hate today, this is an amazing, amazing story.

00:34:38.000 According to Tablet Magazine, some people working with the U.S.

00:34:41.000 Holocaust Memorial Museum had a desire to whitewash former President Barack Obama for his inaction vis-a-vis the conflict in Syria.

00:34:49.000 This is according to Hank Barian at The Daily Wire.

00:34:51.000 They colored a new study offered by the museum so it read, quote,

00:35:04.000 They were going to introduce this study on September 11th.

00:35:06.000 It was supervised by former Obama National Security Council and Intelligence Officer Cameron Hudson, who now serves as director of the Simon Schott Center for the Prevention of Genocide.

00:35:16.000 According to Tablet Magazine, using computational modeling and game theory methods, as well as interviews with experts and policy makers, the report asserted that greater support for the anti-Assad rebels and U.S.

00:35:27.000 strikes on the Assad regime after the August 2013

00:35:30.000 Guta chemical weapons attack would not have reduced atrocities in the country and might conceivably have contributed to them.

00:35:36.000 So here's the story.

00:35:38.000 The Obama administration, a bunch of Obama administration officials, went to the Holocaust Memorial Museum and they made them write a report.

00:35:45.000 They wrote a report retroactively absolving

00:35:48.000 Retroactively absolving the Obama administration of responsibility for war atrocities in Syria.

00:35:53.000 This is the equivalent of the FDR administration former officials going to the Holocaust Memorial Museum and saying, can you write a report saying that it wouldn't have made a difference if we had bombed the train lines to Auschwitz?

00:36:04.000 Can you do that for us?

00:36:05.000 Because it might conceivably have worsened things.

00:36:07.000 How do you even make that call?

00:36:09.000 How do you make that call?

00:36:10.000 The whole point of the Holocaust Memorial Museum is that governments should do more to prevent atrocities, not to excuse governments for atrocities they didn't prevent.

00:36:18.000 Leon Wieseltier, who's a literary critic and an author.

00:36:23.000 He's a fellow at the Brookings Institute.

00:36:25.000 He said, He added, I'm sure we could concoct the effing algorithms for that too.

00:36:47.000 Tablet noted, since the outbreak of the civil war in early 2011, the Syrian dictator has repeatedly attacked civilians with poison gas, maintaining a network of prison camps where as many as 60,000 people have been tortured, murdered, and disappeared, their bodies dumped into crematoria and mass graves.

00:37:02.000 Even Abe Foxman, who is a real leftist,

00:37:05.000 He said, I assume the leadership understands it made a misstep.

00:37:07.000 I served three times on the Holocaust Commission.

00:37:09.000 The institution is very dear to my heart.

00:37:11.000 I believe it's appropriate, indeed imperative, for the museum to deal with questions of genocide in contemporary current events.

00:37:16.000 But in this case, several things are happening that are problematic.

00:37:19.000 First, the genocide isn't over.

00:37:21.000 Two, more broadly, I don't think it's appropriate for the museum to issue this kind of judgment.

00:37:25.000 That's beyond its mandate.

00:37:26.000 So, who works for the museum?

00:37:29.000 Ben Rhodes.

00:37:30.000 Obama's former National Security Advisor, who is largely responsible for the Iran deal.

00:37:34.000 Okay, Obama NSC alumni Grant Harris, Anna Cave, Daniel Benjamin, all worked for Obama at the NSC.

00:37:41.000 They are all on the Memorial Council.

00:37:43.000 They were all appointed at the end of Obama's tenure. 0.96

00:37:46.000 Just disgusting. 0.99

00:37:47.000 Just disgusting.

00:37:49.000 The museum is offering the following message now by people who wish to peruse the study.

00:37:54.000 It says, Last week, the U.S.

00:37:55.000 Holocaust Memorial Museum's Simon Schott Center for the Prevention of Genocide released a research study that examined several decision points during the Syrian conflict.

00:38:03.000 Since its release, a number of people with whom we have worked closely on Syria since the conflict's outbreak have expressed concerns with the study.

00:38:09.000 The museum has decided to remove the study from its website as we evaluate this feedback.

00:38:12.000 The question is why they ran it in the first place and the answer is because they're a bunch of Democrats who wanted to absolve other Democrats of malfeasance in a genocide.

00:38:20.000 That's what happened here. 0.98

00:38:22.000 It just demonstrates how far Democrats are willing to go to cover their own asses when it comes to their complicity in genocide. 0.99

00:38:28.000 Just incredible stuff. 0.99

00:38:29.000 Just incredible.

00:38:31.000 The same revisionist history.

00:38:33.000 You know, they're constantly accusing people on the right of manufacturing news, of manufacturing history.

00:38:38.000 This is manufactured news and manufactured history using the guise of a Holocaust memorial in order to do it. 0.81

00:38:44.000 Just gross all the way through. 0.64

00:38:46.000 Okay, other things that I hate.

00:38:47.000 So, Linda Sarsour, who of course is the terror-sympathizing Women's March organizer who's celebrated all over the left because she wears a hijab. 0.67

00:38:56.000 She has spent a lot of time recently saying that as a person of color this and as a person of color that, well here she is a few years ago explaining that she's actually just a normal white girl and now she wears a hijab so she's no longer a normal white girl.

00:39:09.000 When I wasn't wearing hijab I was just some ordinary white girl from New York City. 0.60

00:39:14.000 Wearing hijab made you know that I was Muslim.

00:39:17.000 She was just an ordinary white girl, you understand, but now she's a person of color because she threw on the hijab. 0.97

00:39:21.000 This demonstrates that the left likes to conflate activity with ethnic identity.

00:39:25.000 Okay, I am technically a white person, I guess.

00:39:29.000 I mean, Jews have been kind of qualified as white and then not qualified as white, but for purposes of the left, I'm a white guy.

00:39:34.000 I'm still a white guy even though I wear a yarmulke.

00:39:37.000 It means I'm identifiable as a Jew in the same way the hijab makes her identifiable as a Muslim. 0.99

00:39:41.000 But the idea that this makes me a quote-unquote person of color is just asinine. 0.80

00:39:44.000 And what this really means is that for the left, the only real people of color are people who are quote-unquote victimized by the broader society. 0.81

00:39:52.000 That's what they're going for.

00:39:53.000 So when you slap on a hijab, suddenly you're a person of color. 0.97

00:39:55.000 Why?

00:39:56.000 Not because you're actually a person of color, but because you're victimized. 0.70

00:39:59.000 And this also means that if you're a black person who's a Republican, 0.88

00:40:02.000 If you are Larry Elder, if you are Walter Williams, if you are Thomas Sowell, if you're Clarence Thomas, you're not an actual black person because an actual black person wouldn't act like that. 0.99

00:40:11.000 An actual black person, like Linda Sarsour, is more black than Clarence Thomas because Linda Sarsour is a white person who wears a hijab. 0.70

00:40:16.000 Color, in other words, is just another way for the left to say leftist.

00:40:20.000 And that's what you see from Linda Sarsour here.

00:40:23.000 She is a self-admitted not person of color by this tape, but she calls herself a person of color all the time.

00:40:29.000 Okay, final thing that I hate.

00:40:31.000 So, the Cleveland Browns have decided that they are not going to, a bunch of Cleveland Browns have decided they're going to kneel for the National Anthem, and a bunch of the cops said, listen, I'm not going to go there and hold the flag so that you can disrespect the flag.

00:40:42.000 And Stephen A. Smith, who is sometimes right, but is more often wrong,

00:40:48.000 He says that it's disrespectful for the police officers to refuse to hold the flag on the field in response to the Browns protesting the national anthem.

00:40:54.000 Here's Stephen A. Smith making the case with the ex-Scribble Max Kellerman.

00:40:58.000 What's your reaction to the Cleveland officers that they won't carry flags now?

00:41:03.000 I think they're the ones disrespecting the flag as opposed to the athletes.

00:41:07.000 For you to be the benevolent association or anybody else that then stands up and says we will not support an organization who is basically saying they agree with you but they're supporting the rights of their players because those players are American citizens.

00:41:25.000 You are disrespecting the flag more than the players are!

00:41:27.000 Because the players are exercising the rights given to them! 0.98

00:41:31.000 Okay, this is the backwards logic you constantly hear from the left, and it's really stupid, I'm gonna debunk it really fast. 0.93

00:41:35.000 Okay, so they constantly say things like, dissent is the highest form of patriotism. 0.87

00:41:39.000 Well, it depends on dissent from what.

00:41:41.000 Okay, because if dissent is the highest form of patriotism, and revolution is the highest form of dissent, then revolution is the highest form of patriotism.

00:41:49.000 Which is weird, because that would mean overthrowing the government.

00:41:52.000 So that's not super patriotic.

00:41:55.000 Okay, dissent is not always the highest form of patriotism.

00:41:57.000 Sometimes dissent is the lowest form of patriotism.

00:42:00.000 The person who burns the flag is not more patriotic than the person who refuses to stand there and hold the flag while you burn it. 1.00

00:42:07.000 That's idiocy. 0.97

00:42:09.000 But this is the sort of deconstruction that you seek when you're attempting to justify unjustifiable behavior. 0.99

00:42:13.000 It's the players who are making a mockery of the flag, and if I decide not to go there and participate in their mockery of the flag, good on me.

00:42:20.000 Good on the cops.

00:42:21.000 But again, Stephen A. Smith is coming to this with a prearranged conception of who's right and who's wrong.

00:42:25.000 The people who are kneeling are right and justified, and therefore anyone who impedes their efforts must be wrong.

00:42:29.000 Okay, time for—it's Wednesday, so time for a little bit of quick Bible talk.

00:42:32.000 So, this week, the portion of the Prophets that we read in the Jewish community, because every week we read a portion of the Prophets, as well as a portion from the Torah, is from the book of Isaiah.

00:42:42.000 There are a bunch of different sections from Isaiah that we read in the lead-up to the High Holy Days.

00:42:48.000 Rosh Hashanah is coming up in, like, two and a half weeks, I think?

00:42:52.000 And then Yom Kippur is coming up right after that. 0.93

00:42:54.000 So these are considered the Days of Atonement for Jews.

00:42:57.000 This month is, well the days of Atonement technically are the 10 days between Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, but the month beforehand is considered a time for repentance.

00:43:06.000 And so, we like to read about the uplift of repentance, returning to God, and what you get when you return to God.

00:43:12.000 So here is from Isaiah, chapter 60, 19 through 21.

00:43:35.000 The point that I want to make here is that we live in a very naturalistic world.

00:43:37.000 We live in a very materialist conception of reality.

00:43:40.000 In the last 200 years, really since probably David Hume, the deconstruction of the notion that nature is part and parcel of God has taken on a rather sinister aspect with regard to religion.

00:43:53.000 This notion that nature is a living rebuke to God.

00:43:57.000 That there's always a naturalistic explanation for everything, so you don't need God.

00:44:00.000 God is an unnecessary hypothesis, as a philosopher once put it to Napoleon.

00:44:05.000 Well, what this is saying in Isaiah is that really nature is a mask.

00:44:09.000 Nature is a mask.

00:44:09.000 We live in a natural, materialistic world, and it's impossible for us to detect anything logically beyond that natural world.

00:44:18.000 You can come up with rationales, but there's no proof for it.

00:44:21.000 And so because we live in this materialistic world, we think that's all there is.

00:44:24.000 But what this is saying in Isaiah is that the real light is the light of God.

00:44:27.000 That all of the rest of this, these are just manifestations of God's nature that he has created for you.

00:44:32.000 A world mask, as Rabbi Akiva Tatz puts it.

00:44:34.000 But when it comes down to what is real in the universe, there is something beyond.

00:44:39.000 There is something outside of Plato's cave.

00:44:41.000 There is something that is unseeable.

00:44:44.000 but exists beyond the light, and that light, that true light, infuses the nature with which we deal.

00:44:49.000 So there's the sun for light by day, and the moon that we rely upon, but in the end, if we're not relying on God, then we're living in a universe devoid of meaning.

00:44:58.000 And so it's not the sun that you should rely on, and not the moon you should rely on, but the everlasting light of God to infuse the entire universe with meaning, and in the end of days, when there is repentance, then that mask will fall away, and we'll all see clearly

00:45:10.000 That nature, as beautiful as it is, the systems that God created for us to live in, they were created by a master hand.

00:45:17.000 And that master hand has infused all of it with a meaning that makes your life worth living.

00:45:21.000 That's what Isaiah is saying here.

00:45:23.000 Okay.

00:45:24.000 We'll be back here tomorrow.

00:45:25.000 We'll give you the update on DACA and everything else.

00:45:27.000 Plus, we'll give you the update on this hurricane that's now headed for Florida.

00:45:30.000 A bad year for hurricanes in the United States.

00:45:33.000 We'll talk about all of that.

00:45:33.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:45:34.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - September 06, 2017

Circular Firing Squad | Ep. 377

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