The Ben Shapiro Show - DeSantis Rising | Ep. 1577

00:00:00.000 Florida Governor Ron DeSantis lays a bear trap for the entire open borders left and in the process turns himself into the media's public enemy number one and the rights champion.

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00:02:27.000 When you look at the polling data for 2022, what you see is there are several issues where Republicans have a significant advantage and there are several issues where Democrats have a significant advantage on, for example, whether democracy is going to be operational.

00:02:41.000 Democrats have a significant advantage over Republicans, but there are several issues that are major issues that loom large in the public mind where Republicans have an advantage.

00:02:50.000 Top among those issues are the economy and illegal immigration.

00:02:54.000 Immigration Republicans have an advantage because the giant perception of the American people is that the Democratic Party does not care about open borders.

00:03:00.000 And the reason for that perception is because you've had about 2 million illegal immigrants cross the southern border of the United States since Joe Biden took office.

00:03:07.000 1.2 million of those people were taken in by the system and then disgorged generally into Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, Florida, into all the border states.

00:03:16.000 And there were another million or so gotaways, which are just people who crossed the border and never had an experience with the border patrol.

00:03:24.000 Well, this has prompted Republican governors like Greg Abbott and Ron DeSantis, Abbott in Texas, DeSantis in Florida, to begin taking some of these illegal immigrants and busing them to blue areas that have declared themselves sanctuary cities.

00:03:35.000 Because these blue areas have basically said, we are the greatest among you.

00:03:39.000 We are so tolerant.

00:03:40.000 We are so diverse.

00:03:41.000 Multiculturalism is our strength.

00:03:44.000 And therefore, we will not Participate with the federal government in the deportation of people who are here illegally. 0.98

00:03:49.000 We will attempt to shield them from all legal ramifications for crossing the border illegally.

00:03:54.000 And so DeSantis and Abbott and Doug Ducey in Arizona, they basically said, OK, fine.

00:03:59.000 Well, if you want these folks, then you got it.

00:04:00.000 And now you get to deal with it.

00:04:02.000 And this of course has led to the media going increasingly mad.

00:04:05.000 Now this has been a long time thing.

00:04:07.000 It's not as though many of the illegal immigrants stay or all of them stay in Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, etc.

00:04:13.000 Many of them do go to blue cities eventually.

00:04:16.000 So essentially a lot of these red state governors are basically just facilitating the process.

00:04:19.000 They're saying, fine, I'll give you the bus ticket today instead of you being here and being a draw on public resources for the next Six months.

00:04:25.000 Instead, why don't you just go directly to where you want to go?

00:04:26.000 We'll get you to Manhattan.

00:04:27.000 We'll get you to Washington, D.C.

00:04:29.000 We'll get you to Chicago.

00:04:30.000 Well, Ron DeSantis went the furthest, and he wanted to demonstrate to the media and to the public at large.

00:04:36.000 That Democrats basically are into the virtue signaling, but they are not interested in open borders when those open borders actually affect them directly, particularly in areas that are rich and cloistered.

00:04:47.000 All of these kind of gated communities that the left likes to reside in.

00:04:51.000 See, here's the thing.

00:04:51.000 There are many Republicans, including me, who live in gated communities.

00:04:55.000 But that's because we prefer the idea that people should live in communities legally.

00:04:59.000 We're not big fans of the idea that people should simply be able to enter a place and then squat there for the reason that they just want to be there.

00:05:06.000 But Democrats seem to be very much in favor of this idea up until the point it reaches Barbara Streisand's gate.

00:05:10.000 They really like this idea up until the planes land in Martha's Vineyard.

00:05:13.000 So, Ron DeSantis, send.

00:05:16.000 About 50 illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard and the entire world went insane. 1.00

00:05:20.000 Now, I just have to point out here, 50 illegal immigrants is nothing.

00:05:23.000 It is nothing, statistically speaking.

00:05:25.000 When you're talking about Martha's Vineyard, you're talking about a town of about 17,000 people.

00:05:29.000 That number can swell dramatically during the summer.

00:05:32.000 So you'll have well upwards of 200,000 people who are visiting Martha's Vineyard over the course of the summer.

00:05:37.000 Like many, many people who are moving in and out because it's a great vacation spot.

00:05:43.000 But the bottom line is, 50 compared to, say, 17,000, that's nothing compared to hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants arriving in certain places in Texas where the total population is like 100,000 people.

00:05:56.000 In fact, as it turns out, this administration is very fond of flying people around the country to different areas in the dead of night.

00:06:03.000 According to Luke Rosiak reporting for the Daily Wire, border airports were among the fastest growing airports in the United States and suggested a scale of migrant flights in 2021 that is absolutely stunning.

00:06:15.000 According to Rosiak, the records as presented present a pattern that could suggest the scale at which the Biden administration and federally supported charities have been moving illegal immigrants around the country.

00:06:23.000 Despite a surge in airline traffic of more than 80% when compared to 2020 due to the COVID pandemic and restrictions imposed in response to it, total air travel is still down nearly 30% from pre-pandemic levels in 2021 with most airports.

00:06:35.000 Los Angeles International Airport saw 19 million fewer passengers board compared to 2019.

00:06:39.000 The Atlanta Airport, San Francisco Airport, New York's JFK also saw 16 million fewer people board outbound flights.

00:06:45.000 While the vast majority of airports lost passengers from 2019 to 2021, among the 22 airports that grew the fastest were those in the Railground Valley that play a key role in the government's migrant moving operation.

00:06:55.000 Brownsville, McAllen, Harlington, Laredo.

00:06:57.000 The number of passengers boarding flights out of those airports rose from 978,000 in 2019 to 1,110,000 in 2021.

00:07:05.000 But even that 132,000 person increase may understate the growth of traffic at these airports.

00:07:10.000 If ordinary Americans stopped using those airports in 2021 due to COVID at the same rate they did elsewhere, the surplus over the expected 2021 figure could be as high as 425,000 people.

00:07:20.000 In addition, Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio registered 13,000 outbound passengers in 2021 compared to only 936 in 2019 and 247 in 2018.

00:07:29.000 The second group of people who started taking advantage, by the way, of flights were people who wanted to hide out in Jackson Hole Martha's Vineyard in Key West.

00:07:37.000 Basically, a lot of the sort of rich and famous playgrounds.

00:07:40.000 That is where people were flying and lots of illegal immigrants were flying around the country.

00:07:43.000 Meanwhile, apparently, according to Breitbart, Venezuela, taking advantage of the open border situation, has decided to open its prisons.

00:07:50.000 This looks very much like what happened by the Cuban government in the early 1980s, where essentially they saw that the United States was taking in a lot of Cuban migrants.

00:07:58.000 And so they decided we're just going to open our prisons and we're going to send all of our criminals to South Florida.

00:08:03.000 According to Breitbart, a recent Department of Homeland Security intelligence report received by Border Patrol instructs agents to look for Venezuelan inmates released from entering the United States, according to a source within CBP.

00:08:12.000 The report, reviewed by Breitbart Texas, indicates the Venezuelan government is purposely freeing inmates, including some convicted of murder, rape and extortion.

00:08:20.000 Intelligence reports warns agents the freed prisoners have been seen within migrant caravans traveling from Mexico toward the U.S.-Mexico border as recently as July.

00:08:28.000 Apparently, the move is reminiscent of a similar action taken during the Muriel Boatlift in the early 1980s.

00:08:35.000 So again, illegal immigration is a major problem for the country.

00:08:37.000 Everyone who watches the border knows this.

00:08:40.000 And it turns out that deploying Kamala Harris to not the border did not solve the problem.

00:08:45.000 And so when Ron DeSantis and other Republicans say to blue areas, you own the consequences of your own policy, not only is there nothing wrong with that, as it turns out, they're actually helping the migrants.

00:08:54.000 So Ron DeSantis, he did a presser over the weekend in which he pointed out, listen, It's pretty amazing that Joe Biden and his cabinet is being reported that they're scrambling over me sending 50 illegal immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. I know they're scrambling about this, they're freaking out about this, but they weren't scrambling or freaking out about the fact that literally millions of people have been crossing our southern border under Joe Biden.

00:09:13.000 I also was a little bit perplexed when I heard that the president is scrambling to get his cabinet together to try to address the fact that you have governors who are helping to relocate illegal aliens to sanctuary cities.

00:09:32.000 He didn't scramble to get his cabinet together when we had millions of people illegally pouring across the southern border.

00:09:43.000 He didn't scramble to get his cabinet together when you had 43, 53 migrants die in some trailer In Texas, because they were neglected by the federal government, it's only when you have 50 illegal aliens end up in a very wealthy, rich sanctuary enclave that he decides to scramble on this.

00:10:07.000 He is, of course, absolutely right about this, is Governor DeSantis.

00:10:10.000 And this has created an extraordinarily hilarious irony over in Martha's Vineyard.

00:10:14.000 So, within 48 hours of these illegal immigrants arriving in Martha's Vineyard, in one of the richest areas of the United States, And a place with a lot of empty housing this time of year, as it turns out.

00:10:24.000 Because we're about to enter fall, so you have hundreds of thousands of empty units right now, but apparently they couldn't house any illegal immigrants.

00:10:29.000 We wouldn't want that.

00:10:30.000 Apparently, according to NPR, authorities in Massachusetts are moving the dozens of migrants who arrived earlier this week in Martha's Vineyard to Cape Cod.

00:10:37.000 The Office for Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker announced Friday the state's Emergency Management Agency relocated the migrants to Joint Base Cape Cod.

00:10:44.000 There, the state will provide shelter, food, and other essential services.

00:10:47.000 Apparently, Baker planned to activate 125 members of the National Guard to assist.

00:10:51.000 So they arrive there and within two days, the National Guard shows up and starts taking these people to Joint Base Cape Cod.

00:10:57.000 Baker said in a statement, we are grateful to the providers, volunteers, and local officials that stepped up on Martha's Vineyard over the past few days to provide immediate services to these individuals.

00:11:04.000 Our administration has been working across state government to develop a plan to ensure these individuals will have access to the services they need going forward, and Joint Base Cape Cod is well equipped to serve these needs.

00:11:15.000 Since Wednesday, state and local organizations have scrambled to assist the new arrivals, many of whom speak little to no English.

00:11:21.000 Okay, so they lasted in Cape Cod for a grand total of like 48 hours.

00:11:25.000 And I guess we're now going to get left-wing musicals about this, probably.

00:11:29.000 We're probably going to get like Broadway musicals about the kindness that these migrants were shown on Cape Cod for all of about 48 hours.

00:11:34.000 This is the best headline ever.

00:11:36.000 It really is an amazing headline.

00:11:37.000 It's from CNN.

00:11:38.000 You ready for this?

00:11:38.000 Ray Sanchez reporting.

00:11:40.000 They enriched us.

00:11:41.000 Migrant's 44-hour visit leaves indelible mark on Martha's Vineyard. 1.00

00:11:47.000 It's all about you.

00:11:48.000 It's all about you.

00:11:49.000 White, upper crust, left-wingers with your lawn signs.

00:11:52.000 They enriched you, did they? 1.00

00:11:54.000 For all those 44 hours before you were like, get your asses out of here. 0.99

00:11:58.000 You're gonna have to take off. 0.89

00:11:59.000 Again, hundreds of thousands of people are put on buses to places like Uvalde, Texas.

00:12:04.000 Largely Hispanic areas that have no Real resources for a lot of these folks. 1.00

00:12:11.000 El Paso, Texas is hit with hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants every year.

00:12:16.000 In places in Arizona, same sort of thing.

00:12:19.000 And here, Martha's Vineyard, we have an entire article on CNN about how these liberals, they've learned to love.

00:12:27.000 They enriched us.

00:12:28.000 They made our community so much better.

00:12:31.000 For those 44 hours until we until we shoved them on a bus with the National Guard and told them to go to the Air Force Base.

00:12:36.000 Those 44 hours were so enriching.

00:12:38.000 By the way, this is how so many sort of white lefties view cultural enrichment.

00:12:42.000 It's like, yes, I once met a black person.

00:12:44.000 I didn't have to deal with them for very long, but it enriched my life.

00:12:47.000 It was pretty wonderful.

00:12:49.000 It's it turns out that people from other cultures.

00:12:52.000 Generally, they are not actually your props that you get.

00:12:56.000 This is just get out.

00:12:57.000 I'm sorry, this is get out, OK?

00:13:01.000 A person who is brown and speaks a different language than me.

00:13:03.000 I met them for 44 hours and they enriched my life.

00:13:07.000 Thanks, CNN.

00:13:08.000 After sharing hugs and teary goodbyes with roughly 50 migrants who had arrived unexpectedly by plane on this affluent vacation island, the volunteers who sheltered them at an Episcopal church carried out tables and chairs, packed food onto trucks, and folded portable cots.

00:13:19.000 A familiar quiet had descended by Friday afternoon on the tree-lined downtown block on Martha's Vineyard, where Jackie Stallings, 56, could not stop thinking about a young Venezuelan.

00:13:26.000 She was 23 but looked 15, who sat with her in the St.

00:13:29.000 Andrew's Parish House the night before.

00:13:30.000 The asylum seeker showed Stallings' cell phone video taken during the journey across a remote Central American jungle pointing out migrants who died along the way.

00:13:38.000 The heartbreaking part is seeing these beautiful young ladies become desensitized at her husband, Larkin Stalling 66 in Oak Bluffs, a bar owner who sits on the nonprofit's board.

00:13:45.000 For them, they just flip and show you a picture.

00:13:49.000 Apparently, during their whirlwind 44-hour visit this week, migrants like the young Venezuelan woman left an indelible mark on their accidental host in this isolated enclave known as the summer playground for former U.S. 0.90

00:13:58.000 presidents, celebrities, and billionaires.

00:14:01.000 And again, all these people who are helping out, I mean, good for them.

00:14:04.000 But this idea, the intellible mark that was left on the white people. 0.53

00:14:07.000 I mean, these brown people came and they left an intellible mark, and then we shoved them onto buses and we brought them to the military. 1.00

00:14:14.000 That's what we did.

00:14:14.000 But, you know, we are so sweet.

00:14:17.000 We are just amazing, amazing people.

00:14:22.000 Apparently, the migrants are going to be housed in dormitory-style spaces with separate spaces accommodating both individuals and families.

00:14:29.000 They will have access to services including legal healthcare, food, hygiene kits, and crisis counseling.

00:14:33.000 So, just to get this straight, everything is great for them, right?

00:14:36.000 They're doing fine.

00:14:38.000 So, I have a question.

00:14:40.000 If they are doing fine, then why is it that the talk from the left is how these people have been the victims of human trafficking and human rights abuse by Ron DeSantis?

00:14:48.000 You can't have it both ways.

00:14:49.000 Either they got to Martha's Vineyard, and everything was fine, and people treated them decently, and then they ended up in a place where they have resources, So, okay.

00:14:57.000 Or, they were brutally human trafficked.

00:15:00.000 They were shoved onto cattle cars and sent to the Auschwitz of Upper Massachusetts, Cape Cod. 0.60

00:15:08.000 You can't have it both ways, guys.

00:15:09.000 Either this is human rights abuse, or what Ron DeSantis just demonstrated is that you guys go nuts when you even have to touch the consequence of your own policy.

00:15:18.000 It is amazing how the media and Democrats just fell directly into this very, very obvious trap that was laid here by Governor DeSantis.

00:15:24.000 So, Julian Castro, who once ran for president and failed, because why wouldn't he?

00:15:31.000 He's very bad at his job.

00:15:33.000 He says this is a human rights violation.

00:15:35.000 It's human trafficking, apparently, to send people on air-conditioned planes to Martha's Vineyard, or to send them on air-conditioned buses to Washington, D.C., or Chicago, or New York.

00:15:45.000 It's a human rights violation.

00:15:47.000 Having people who are literally dying in the jungles of Central America trying to get to the United States, or again, as Ron DeSantis said, Coyotes, leaving people in the back of trucks and locking them in and letting them die there of dehydration.

00:15:58.000 Totally fine.

00:16:00.000 But if you put some people with signed forms, by the way, on an air-conditioned plane and you send them to the richest part of America, that's a human rights violation, according to Julian Castro.

00:16:09.000 What they're doing is they're fraudulently inducing these individuals who, by the way, are here legally.

00:16:16.000 To seek asylum is perfectly legal.

00:16:18.000 And so they're here legally.

00:16:20.000 They're being fraudulently induced to cross state lines, essentially for these governors' political gain.

00:16:26.000 To me, these governors have basically become human traffickers.

00:16:30.000 They're human traffickers who traffic people for personal gain, for money.

00:16:36.000 These governors are trafficking these folks for political gain, and I hope the DOJ does investigate them.

00:16:41.000 So they want a legal investigation now.

00:16:43.000 If you put people on buses and you send them to a different part of the country, you now want the DOJ to crack down on them.

00:16:50.000 Everything I don't like is illegal, according to the Democrats.

00:16:53.000 It's pretty astonishing stuff here.

00:16:55.000 And the Biden administration has facilitated the transfer of literally millions of people across the United States.

00:17:00.000 They just take people at the border, they give them a bus ticket, and they tell them to basically go to a small Texan town.

00:17:07.000 And then the people on the other end will just have to deal with it.

00:17:09.000 Or they put them on a bus and they just send them to Murrieta, California.

00:17:11.000 And if the residents complain, it's because they're bigots.

00:17:14.000 But if you put people on a bus and you're a state governor, or you put people on a plane, then this means the DOJ is supposed to investigate you.

00:17:20.000 The great irony of people who literally have treated human beings as livestock claiming that it is treating people as livestock to put them on a bus or a plane and send them to a different place where they are then taken care of is amazing.

00:17:30.000 So Jay Johnson, the former Secretary of Homeland Security, Who presided over kids in cages, okay?

00:17:36.000 The Obama administration built the cages at the border.

00:17:39.000 Remember that time when you had AOC, all in white, weeping in like an empty parking lot because at the other end of that parking lot was a holding facility for illegal immigrants?

00:17:47.000 And thanks to a settlement decision called Flores, you're not allowed to hold entire families in custody.

00:17:52.000 And so you have to separate the adults from the children so that the children can be presumably given to relatives who are inside the United States and the adults are to be held.

00:18:02.000 That's sort of the basic idea there.

00:18:03.000 And that was a settlement agreement that has been in place in the United States for a long time.

00:18:07.000 And so it was the Obama administration that built cages for children and Secretary Jeh Johnson who facilitated that.

00:18:13.000 Now, Secretary Johnson's like, oh, well, you know, this is like treating people like livestock.

00:18:17.000 No, it isn't.

00:18:18.000 I don't remember the last time we shoved a cow onto a charter plane, air conditioned, in coach and sent them to Martha's Vineyard. 0.93

00:18:24.000 Do you?

00:18:26.000 These comparisons are so over the top, but I can't believe they're doing this.

00:18:29.000 It's really amazing.

00:18:30.000 The federal government moves migrants from the border to other parts of this country quite often.

00:18:35.000 What's the difference when a state governor does it, albeit, I know, without warning?

00:18:40.000 Well, there's a right way and a wrong way to do that, Margaret.

00:18:43.000 The wrong way is on 20 minutes' notice to send people by bus or airplane to the Edgar Town Airport or to Mass Ave.

00:18:52.000 in front of the vice president's residence without giving local resources, NGOs, shelters, local government an opportunity It's treating people like livestock now.

00:19:01.000 It's a political stunt.

00:19:03.000 See, here's the thing.

00:19:04.000 and house migrants.

00:19:06.000 What the governors of Florida and Texas are doing, frankly, is a political stunt in treating people like livestock.

00:19:13.000 I'd say it's treating people like livestock now.

00:19:16.000 It's a political stunt.

00:19:17.000 See, here's the thing.

00:19:19.000 If you just inundate small towns with hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants. 0.97

00:19:23.000 Not a political stunt.

00:19:23.000 That's your policy.

00:19:24.000 That is your proposed policy.

00:19:26.000 But it's a political stunt to demonstrate full-scale to the rest of the American public that this is a bad policy.

00:19:31.000 That's a stunt.

00:19:33.000 Again, this is the same variation on the game.

00:19:35.000 We do something really bad, right? 0.99

00:19:37.000 It's a really crap policy. 0.98

00:19:38.000 But you noticing it is the problem. 0.99

00:19:40.000 And you exposing that to the view of the American people is really the problem.

00:19:43.000 This, of course, set off folks like Jim Acosta over at CNN.

00:19:46.000 And ladies, find you a gentleman who loves you like Jim Acosta loves Jim Acosta.

00:19:49.000 This dude is the narcissist of American politics.

00:19:52.000 Here he is explaining this is hurting the children.

00:19:55.000 And from the same media advocates who suggest that double mastectomies for 14-year-olds who are in the mistaken belief that they can be boys, that's a good idea. 1.00

00:20:04.000 Hurting the children.

00:20:05.000 I'm going to take this one with a large grain of salt.

00:20:08.000 Maybe like a pillar of salt.

00:20:09.000 Maybe like an ocean filled.

00:20:12.000 These border states and border towns should not be subjected to the undue burden of this.

00:20:17.000 And we need I remind you, President Biden and the Biden administration has flown people under cover of darkness to New York State and elsewhere across this country under similar circumstances.

00:20:29.000 But there's a plan in place.

00:20:30.000 You know, when they put them on the plane and they land in a different jurisdiction, different state, different town, different city, the people on the other end know that they're coming.

00:20:38.000 This is just dumping people on Martha's Vineyard or in Washington D.C.

00:20:42.000 in front of the vice president's place to own the libs.

00:20:45.000 This is not owning the libs, this is hurting the kids.

00:20:48.000 It's not owning the libs, it's hurting the kids. 0.51

00:20:49.000 Oh, it's the children! 0.99

00:20:50.000 You don't give a crap about the kids. 0.99

00:20:52.000 You don't give a crap about the kids. 0.99

00:20:54.000 Hundreds of thousands of unaccompanied minors have been showing up on the border thanks to this administration's policies. 0.99

00:20:58.000 I don't give a crap about that. 0.89

00:21:00.000 You just don't like that you guys got shown up. 0.98

00:21:02.000 That's all.

00:21:03.000 And the American public can see this.

00:21:04.000 By the way, get back to all this in just one second.

00:21:07.000 First, you may have noticed that the economy seems to be on the tipping point lately.

00:21:11.000 We are probably already in a recession.

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00:23:23.000 The media treatment of all of this.

00:23:26.000 Aren't you upset using kids as props?

00:23:27.000 It's so terrible you're using it.

00:23:28.000 They're traveling with their families to places where they are then taken care of.

00:23:34.000 As opposed to what you guys do, which is you draw unaccompanied minors via coyotes across the border and then release them en masse into American society with a bus ticket. 0.60

00:23:43.000 When they say that there's a plan, Okay, if you mean that you have notified local charities that do not actually have the resources to deal with tens of thousands of illegal immigrants arriving, that there will be some buses arriving, and then they get overwhelmed, yeah, sure, I guess that counts as a plan. 0.98

00:23:56.000 But it's not much of one.

00:23:57.000 I mean, Jake Tapper on CNN, he had on Mike Rounds of South Dakota, and he was asking about this.

00:24:02.000 Aren't you upset that you're using kids as props?

00:24:04.000 First of all, Democrats use kids as props literally all the time.

00:24:07.000 Everything they do, it's kids as props.

00:24:09.000 It's Nancy Pelosi talking about abortion and the killing of the unborn flank by like her grandchildren.

00:24:15.000 We based our entire environmental policy on the left.

00:24:17.000 On a Swedish teenager. 0.52

00:24:20.000 I mean, come on.

00:24:22.000 Here's Jake Tapper.

00:24:24.000 There isn't any heads up being given to Mayor Adams, you just heard from him, or the individuals on Martha's Vineyard.

00:24:32.000 I get they're trying to send a message, they're trying to get the attention, but they're also, isn't there a degree of trolling going on here?

00:24:41.000 And do you really have no issue with using human beings, a one-month-old baby, little kids, to make a political point like this?

00:24:49.000 Again, this idea that Democrats, they care about the children, but you don't care about the children when they were on an air-conditioned flight to a very rich area, they were taken care of, everything was fine.

00:25:00.000 It's pretty incredible.

00:25:02.000 Meanwhile...

00:25:04.000 Eric Adams, he says that these migrants were misled.

00:25:06.000 They were lied to.

00:25:07.000 OK, so the case they have to make here in order for this to work, in order for Democrats to make this case, Democrats have to show that these migrants were basically lied to, that they thought that they were going to a warm, welcoming place, and instead they were sent to hell on earth.

00:25:19.000 And as it turns out, it's not true, as we'll see in just a second.

00:25:22.000 Here's Eric Adams, though, trying to claim that these immigrants were lied to.

00:25:26.000 Many of the migrants flown to Martha's Vineyard by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis say they were falsely told that jobs and housing would be waiting for them when they arrived.

00:25:35.000 Were any of the migrants that have arrived in New York, have they been similarly misled?

00:25:41.000 Yes, they have been.

00:25:42.000 And it's really unfortunate when you watch government misrepresent where you're sending people.

00:25:48.000 In some cases, we had those who were COVID positive on the buses with individuals who were dehydrated, didn't have proper food.

00:25:57.000 Some were even tagged.

00:25:59.000 It's just terrible.

00:26:00.000 They're not being told.

00:26:01.000 OK, so Washington Post has an entire piece about all of this.

00:26:04.000 And the piece is titled Martha's Vineyard Flights Leave Migrant Advocates Scrambling.

00:26:08.000 Because apparently up till now they had everything under control.

00:26:10.000 But now they're really scrambling.

00:26:12.000 There's only one problem.

00:26:13.000 Buried at the very end of this piece is the actual accounts of people who are these illegal immigrants.

00:26:18.000 And here's what they say.

00:26:19.000 Venezuelan migrant Mike Betancourt-Vivas was outside a city shelter on Saturday trying to find a ride to Washington State.

00:26:25.000 He had crossed the border in Eagle Pass, but he never saw state buses.

00:26:28.000 If he had the option, he said, he would take one.

00:26:30.000 We need a way to get to our destination directly.

00:26:32.000 People here shut the door and don't give us opportunities just like other countries like Panama and Costa Rica.

00:26:37.000 Betancourt, 26, a construction worker and composer with a wife and two daughters stuck in Colombia, said he doesn't care about being a political pawn if it gets him a free ride to Washington.

00:26:44.000 Doesn't matter to me.

00:26:46.000 I just want to go, he says.

00:26:48.000 Oops.

00:26:49.000 Oops.

00:26:50.000 Meanwhile, even MSNBC is reporting that migrants who are arriving in places like Martha's Vineyard are actually thanking Ron DeSantis.

00:26:56.000 They're like, hey, this place is kind of nice.

00:26:58.000 You know, it's like it's like a vacation spot or something.

00:27:01.000 They're saying that these people are being abused and used to bring a border crisis deeper into the country.

00:27:09.000 Now, I can tell you, they are not angry at Ron DeSantis.

00:27:12.000 They are actually thanking him for having brought them to Martha's Vineyard, where they were very well received.

00:27:20.000 But other people, well, they're saying they're being used as political pawns.

00:27:23.000 They don't resent it for now.

00:27:25.000 So, they're all like, um, yeah, this is great.

00:27:27.000 I like it here.

00:27:28.000 Martha's Vineyard's nice.

00:27:29.000 It is, actually.

00:27:30.000 Martha's Vineyard's a really, really super nice place.

00:27:32.000 It's really beautiful.

00:27:34.000 Rhonda Sanchez for his part, he says, uh, they keep saying that we're deceiving people.

00:27:37.000 They literally have forms that they have signed that show that they know where they are going.

00:27:41.000 It literally has a map that shows that they are going to Martha's Vineyard.

00:27:44.000 Hey, and he says, listen, if I had the ability, if it were up to me, I would send them back to their home countries. 1.00

00:27:49.000 But that's illegal.

00:27:50.000 He's not allowed to enforce federal immigration law.

00:27:52.000 So instead, I'm just going to send them to places where all of the liberals can take care of them with their lawn signs for 44 hours before patting themselves on the back, writing some musicals and sending them off to the local Air Force base.

00:28:04.000 They give them a release form to sign.

00:28:06.000 They actually give them a packet, and in that packet included a map of Martha's Vineyard.

00:28:10.000 So it was obvious that that's where they were going, and they gave that to them.

00:28:13.000 And here's the thing, it's all voluntary, because it's just the type of thing where we think that's the right way to do it.

00:28:19.000 I mean, I think that If the states could send, I would send back to Mexico or back to the home country.

00:28:25.000 But here we are doing it voluntarily.

00:28:27.000 They sign a release and then they get a packet.

00:28:30.000 So they did get a packet that had the map of Martha's Vineyard.

00:28:32.000 And they're also treated, you know, very well with all this.

00:28:36.000 I mean, they're treated well with meals and everything.

00:28:38.000 Okay, so what exactly is the big problem?

00:28:42.000 The big problem here is, of course, Democrats are humiliated.

00:28:45.000 That is the big problem.

00:28:46.000 And they're so humiliated that now they have to avoid the obvious problem here.

00:28:49.000 The problem is not DeSantis.

00:28:50.000 The problem is not Abbott.

00:28:51.000 If you don't like illegal immigrants showing up in your town anywhere in the United States, there's only one force you can blame, and it is not the governor of these various states. 0.99

00:28:58.000 It is the federal government.

00:28:59.000 The federal government has very few specified powers under the Constitution.

00:29:02.000 Control of the border of the United States is one of those powers.

00:29:05.000 The federal government is given that power exclusively.

00:29:07.000 The states do not have the ability to control immigration into and out of the country.

00:29:13.000 So if Eric Adams doesn't like illegal immigrants showing up in New York, he has one person and one person alone he can blame, the President of the United States.

00:29:21.000 And Eric Adams, in his interview with Jake Tapper, and it's really fascinating, watches as he tries to escape the implications of his own words.

00:29:26.000 So first he says, this is a humanitarian crisis, and this humanitarian crisis is not being created by any sort of external, exogenous circumstance.

00:29:33.000 It's happening because of human policy.

00:29:36.000 We should be clear that this is, as I stated, a humanitarian crisis created by human hands.

00:29:43.000 And it is an all-hands-on-deck moment where we're all supposed to come together and coordinate.

00:29:50.000 Coordination during a crisis is something that we must do together.

00:29:54.000 And that's the federal government, that is also the governor of the state of Texas, as well as the governor of the state of Florida.

00:30:02.000 We should not be Really treating other cities and municipalities in the manner that we're witnessing now.

00:30:09.000 And so we need resources for housing, resources to make sure that we can properly give people the medical care, all of the basic necessities that you would give new arrivals that enter a city.

00:30:21.000 Okay, so I've noticed that Eric Adams, who has put up billboards in Florida saying, in New York, we say gay.

00:30:25.000 So come on back from Florida, New York.

00:30:27.000 He has to say that because everyone from New York would love to live down in Florida.

00:30:30.000 Now he's like, can you stop sending me your people?

00:30:32.000 Please stop sending me these illegal immigrants. 1.00

00:30:34.000 And it's probably an internal governor versus mayor issue here.

00:30:37.000 So Jake Tapper does some journalism in here and he has an actual real question.

00:30:41.000 He says to Eric Adams, well, I noticed that actually federal policy on the border is the policy that defines whether illegal immigrants are even in the country in the first place.

00:30:49.000 So why don't you just say that this is about Joe Biden?

00:30:52.000 So you're struggling to process the 2,500 migrants sent to you from Texas.

00:30:57.000 Meanwhile, the El Paso sector of the border sees an average of 1,700 migrants crossing every single day.

00:31:03.000 A record 1.9 million migrants have been apprehended on the southwest border this fiscal year alone.

00:31:10.000 Even if you think what these governors are doing is horrific, It seems like you agree this is a crisis that needs more attention from the Biden administration.

00:31:19.000 And I'm just like, no, they're working on it.

00:31:21.000 It's fine.

00:31:22.000 It's probably fine.

00:31:24.000 OK, but it isn't.

00:31:25.000 And Democrats know that it isn't.

00:31:26.000 And they're being humiliated on the issue.

00:31:28.000 Now, all that the Democrats jumping on this hand grenade have really accomplished is to once again make Ron DeSantis a hero in the eyes of the right.

00:31:35.000 So it turns out that, as I've been saying for a while, one of the Unfortunate problems with American politics right now is everything is incredibly reactionary.

00:31:43.000 So, if the media attacks somebody, the right immediately deems this person a hero.

00:31:46.000 It doesn't matter if that person actually is qualified, like Ron DeSantis, the governor of Florida, or if it's Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:31:51.000 No matter who the left attacks, the right immediately says, this person must be good, because we trust the media so little that whatever they say has to be wrong.

00:31:59.000 Well, that has some upsides, which is, frankly, doubting the media at this point is not an option, it's an obligation.

00:32:05.000 But, you actually have to use what we would call in Yiddish yersechel, you'd have to use your actual common sense, and you'd have to try to determine whether or not the media are complaining about a thing that is real, or whether they are complaining about a thing that is fake.

00:32:15.000 When it comes to DeSantis, they are complaining about things that are fake, and the entire right knows it.

00:32:18.000 Which is why DeSantis has now risen to the top of the pile.

00:32:21.000 Ron DeSantis is a national figure as governor of Florida, which is rare.

00:32:25.000 It's actually very rare that you have a governor who becomes a national figure.

00:32:28.000 Normally, if you're a governor and you want to become a national figure, you have to basically stand on a street corner and shout like Gavin Newsom is in California.

00:32:35.000 Ron DeSantis didn't do that.

00:32:36.000 He just implemented good COVID policy in Florida, and then he implemented good educational policy in Florida, and now he's attempting to show up the Democrats on illegal immigration.

00:32:46.000 And this is generating extraordinary goodwill for him on the right side of the aisle, as the left immediately is already doing this.

00:32:52.000 They've moved into DeSantis is worse than Trump.

00:32:54.000 Now, this is the most predictable development in American politics.

00:32:57.000 The most predictable development in American politics is whoever the last Republican president was, when they were president, that person was Hitler. 0.77

00:33:03.000 When it was Bush, it was Bush-Hitler. 0.79

00:33:05.000 When it's Trump, it's Trump-Hitler. 0.80

00:33:07.000 And then, whoever comes next, must be worse than that person. 0.85

00:33:11.000 So when Bush was there, he was the worst.

00:33:12.000 Then McCain came in, it was like, oh my god, this guy's so much worse than Bush.

00:33:15.000 Man, I wish for the days of Bush.

00:33:17.000 And then Trump came, it was like, oh man, I wish for the days of Mitt Romney and John McCain.

00:33:21.000 And now it's Ron DeSantis' turn, so they're already doing the routine, where they're like, man, DeSantis, that guy's even worse than Trump.

00:33:27.000 Now, listen, DeSantis, for his part, he's going for it, because he knows how this game is played.

00:33:31.000 DeSantis is a very savvy political operator, He happens to be an incredibly effective governor of Florida.

00:33:37.000 He's turned this state deep red.

00:33:40.000 This was a purple state just by 2018.

00:33:42.000 This is now a very solidly red state, the state in which I live.

00:33:45.000 Governor DeSantis is doing a fabulous job.

00:33:47.000 I make no bones about the fact that I'm a fan of Governor DeSantis.

00:33:50.000 I believe that Governor DeSantis is going to win in a cakewalk in his gubernatorial race this year.

00:33:55.000 DeSantis says, listen, I'll keep sending illegal immigrants to these places because why exactly wouldn't I? 1.00

00:34:01.000 I have $12 million allotted to me bipartisan fashion.

00:34:04.000 Democrats voted for a $12 million line item in the budget that allows the state of Florida to fly illegal immigrants to other places.

00:34:10.000 So why exactly wouldn't I do that?

00:34:13.000 These are ongoing things.

00:34:14.000 I mean, you know, so you're going to look, obviously there's going to be buses like Texas is doing.

00:34:18.000 You know, there may be some more flights.

00:34:20.000 You know, Martha's Vineyard is a little bit different because it's an island. 0.71

00:34:23.000 So you kind of got to either fly in there or take a ferry.

00:34:26.000 All we're trying to do is offer transport to sanctuary jurisdictions free to the alien. 0.96

00:34:32.000 but certainly not mandatory.

00:34:34.000 And that way they're able to go and these sanctuary jurisdictions can put their money where their mouth is. 0.67

00:34:40.000 They can provide the resources, they can do all of that.

00:34:42.000 And then once that happens, the chance of folks coming to Florida is probably very, very low.

00:34:47.000 So that's why we're doing it and I think we're going to continue to do it.

00:34:51.000 Okay, so this has prompted the left, all this prompted the left to do the worse than Trump routine.

00:34:57.000 So Jamel Bui, who's a terrible columnist for the New York Times, he has an entire piece about how DeSantis is worse than Trump.

00:35:03.000 Quote, Donald Trump is a lifelong celebrity with a public persona that is as much about The Apprentice and even Home Alone 2 as it is about his political career.

00:35:09.000 What's more, Trump has the skills of a celebrity.

00:35:11.000 He's funny, he has stage presence, he has a kind of natural charisma.

00:35:14.000 He can be a bully in part because he can temper his cruelty and egoism with the performance of a clown or a showman.

00:35:19.000 He can persuade an audience that he's just kidding, that he doesn't actually mean it. 0.62

00:35:21.000 Ron DeSantis cannot.

00:35:23.000 He may be a more competent Trump in terms of his ability to use the levers of state to amass power, but he's also meaner and more rigid, without the soft edges and eccentricity of the actual Donald Trump.

00:35:33.000 This is the first time I've ever heard Jamal Bowie talking about the soft edges and eccentricity of Donald Trump.

00:35:38.000 But this is what the media have been reduced to.

00:35:40.000 They're so scared of DeSantis that they're now doing the he's worse than Trump routine.

00:35:44.000 And I think they're really scared of here is that DeSantis is incredibly effective.

00:35:48.000 And by the way, DeSantis also happens to be an actual Republican politician who helps actual Republicans.

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00:36:22.000 And so the real reason that the Democrats are afraid of Ron DeSantis is because Ron DeSantis is effective.

00:36:27.000 That's the real reason.

00:36:28.000 So they weren't afraid of Trump until he became president.

00:36:30.000 Then they became scared of Trump.

00:36:32.000 In 2016, They only became scared of Trump when he became the nominee, and that was after they had actively attempted to make Trump the nominee, because they thought that he was most likely to lose.

00:36:40.000 Then he won, and they lost their ever-loving minds, and they have not regained those minds.

00:36:43.000 Those minds are still off wandering in the wilds of Scotland somewhere.

00:36:46.000 But now, they are really, really scared of Governor DeSantis.

00:36:49.000 And the reason they're scared of DeSantis is because DeSantis actually is very meticulous in how he treats issues.

00:36:55.000 He picks his political stunts well, as this latest one demonstrates.

00:37:00.000 And he raises an enormous amount of money.

00:37:02.000 According to Open Secrets, Governor DeSantis' political operation reported raising $177 million through September 9th.

00:37:08.000 That breaks the gubernatorial fundraising record without adjusting for inflation.

00:37:11.000 A new Open Secrets analysis of state campaign finance filings found.

00:37:15.000 His re-election campaign has raised over $31.4 million since January 2021.

00:37:19.000 Friends of Ron DeSantis, his state level PAC that is not subject to contribution limits, raked in $146 million since January of 2019.

00:37:27.000 Now again, that number is just astonishing considering that his closest competitors, people like Charlie Crist, right, who's running on the Democratic side of the aisle, he has raised a grand total of $20 million at this point.

00:37:42.000 Ron DeSantis has raised $177 million at this point.

00:37:47.000 This is more money than has ever been raised in the history of American politics in terms of gubernatorial races.

00:37:52.000 And here is the thing, Governor DeSantis is using a lot of that money in order to help fellow Senate GOP candidates.

00:37:59.000 So he is actually using that money to benefit his political movement because Ron DeSantis cares about the end goals of the political movement, which is going to contrast rather strongly with President Trump, as we'll talk about in just one minute.

00:38:11.000 According to Politico, Governor DeSantis is using his sizable campaign stash to help down ballot Republicans.

00:38:16.000 DeSantis earlier this month shifted $2.5 million from his political committee to the Florida Republican Senatorial Committee, the campaign armed control by incoming Senate President Kathleen Pasadena.

00:38:25.000 It's the single largest contribution recorded by the Committee of the Cycle and since its creation back in 2014.

00:38:29.000 Senate President Wilton Simpson, who's running for Ag Commissioner, donated $2 million from his political committee back in July.

00:38:37.000 This has put Senate Democrats on the back foot.

00:38:39.000 They've been forced to spend money to help defend the Senate Minority Leader Lorne Book against a primary challenge.

00:38:43.000 They have less than $600,000 in their main campaign account.

00:38:47.000 DeSantis has already had a hand in helping to mold the state Senate to his liking, endorsing several Republicans, even though Senate GOP leaders had initially planned to support other candidates.

00:38:54.000 The apparent thinking behind DeSantis' help is he wants to assist Senate Republicans across the board and not any one candidate.

00:39:01.000 And so again, Ron DeSantis in his state is using the money that he has raised in order to help Other Republicans.

00:39:08.000 This, of course, is raising Ron DeSantis' profile tremendously in the possibility of a presidential race in 2024, particularly because Joe Biden yesterday on 60 Minutes, he again dropped the idea that he might not run in 2024, which is leaving open the possibility of somebody like Gavin Newsom running.

00:39:22.000 Here is the President of the United States.

00:39:24.000 We'll get to more of his 60 Minutes interview in a little while here because it really was kind of amazing.

00:39:28.000 Here was the President of the United States announcing he may or may not run.

00:39:32.000 Sir, are you committed to running again?

00:39:35.000 Or are there certain conditions that have to be right?

00:39:38.000 Look, if I were to say to you I'm running again, all of a sudden a whole range of things come into play that I have requirements I have to change and move and do.

00:39:46.000 In terms of election laws?

00:39:47.000 In terms of election laws.

00:39:49.000 And it's much too early to make that kind of decision.

00:39:52.000 You say that it's much too early to make that decision.

00:39:56.000 I take it the decision has not been made in your own head.

00:40:00.000 My intentions, I said to begin with, is that I would run again.

00:40:04.000 But it's just an intention.

00:40:06.000 But is it a firm decision that I run again?

00:40:09.000 That remains to be seen.

00:40:10.000 He's leaving that door wide open.

00:40:12.000 Gavin Newsom is ready to charge through that door.

00:40:14.000 Hair gel ablaze.

00:40:15.000 So he actually tweeted out the other day, Hey, Governor DeSantis, clearly you're struggling, distracted and busy playing politics with people's lives.

00:40:21.000 Since you have only one overriding need, attention.

00:40:23.000 Let's take this up in debate.

00:40:24.000 I'll bring my hair gel.

00:40:25.000 You bring your hairspray.

00:40:26.000 Name the time before Election Day.

00:40:27.000 So he obviously is attempting to glom onto the fact that DeSantis has extraordinary amounts of momentum and he would like to be the nominee, would Gavin Newsom, which is the reason why, for example, he has been running ads in Florida and Texas and other red states.

00:40:40.000 The goal for Newsom is takeover for Joe Biden and the way that he is doing this, and this betrays where Democrats think this race is going.

00:40:47.000 He is directing that not at Trump.

00:40:49.000 He is directing that at DeSantis.

00:40:51.000 And the reason for that, again, is because if you are a person who cares about the conservative movement, one indicator that you ought to back somebody like Iran DeSantis is because not only does he know how to run an executive government in a place like Florida, but as I have said, he is using his actual resources in order to help fellow Republicans.

00:41:08.000 This contrasts extraordinarily strongly with President Trump's activity here.

00:41:11.000 President Trump has a super PAC.

00:41:13.000 That super PAC has raised like $100 million.

00:41:15.000 So far, he has spent, my understanding is $0 or very close to $0 of that super PAC on other Republican candidates, which is why there are candidates like Blake Masters and J.D.

00:41:24.000 Vance, people who Trump handpicked, who are now short of cash.

00:41:28.000 It's a very, very serious problem.

00:41:30.000 I got Ron DeSantis, who's actually using his money in order to help his Senate Republican candidates in Florida across the finish line.

00:41:35.000 And you have Trump, who's picking candidates on the federal level, people like Blake Masters, people like J.D.

00:41:40.000 Vance, and then giving them basically no money.

00:41:45.000 That's an amazing thing.

00:41:46.000 I mean, put aside the quality of the candidates for just a second, because there's a current poll from Traffilgar that has Blake Masterson in two.

00:41:51.000 J.D.

00:41:51.000 Vance is running a very competitive race with Tim Ryan.

00:41:53.000 A little bit of money would help right here.

00:41:55.000 But where exactly is the cash?

00:41:56.000 Where is the cash?

00:41:57.000 If Donald Trump raised $100 million to presumably help the conservative movement and not just use it for whatever, and we don't know what whatever is, where exactly is the money?

00:42:09.000 There's an entire piece in the Wall Street Journal about this from Kimberly Strassel pointing out that Peter Thiel and Donald Trump helped Blake Masters get the nomination in Arizona, but there's no money.

00:42:18.000 So now they've gone back to begging Mitch McConnell and the Senate Leadership Fund for the cash.

00:42:24.000 So why exactly?

00:42:25.000 If you're relying on the kindness of Mitch McConnell because Trump can't be counted on here and Thiel can't be counted on, what is the good of endorsing candidates, particularly the most controversial candidates, and then immediately turning around and not supporting them in the way they need support?

00:42:38.000 That's bad stuff.

00:42:38.000 And it doesn't help when Donald Trump decamps to Ohio to do a rally for J.D.

00:42:43.000 Vance.

00:42:43.000 And his first concern is basically insulting J.D.

00:42:45.000 Vance in front of the entire audience, which is what he did last night.

00:42:47.000 Here he was.

00:42:49.000 The New York Times did a fake story today, big front page, that J.D.

00:42:53.000 wasn't sure if he wanted my support.

00:42:54.000 J.D. 1.00

00:42:54.000 is kissing my ass he wants my support. 1.00

00:42:57.000 I'm 18 points up. 1.00

00:42:59.000 If I was 18 points down, he wouldn't want my support.

00:43:02.000 I mean, who does that? 1.00

00:43:04.000 Who goes to a Senate rally and says about the candidate you're supporting that the guy's kissing your ass? 1.00

00:43:10.000 Is that like brilliant politics that I'm missing out on? 0.99

00:43:12.000 I mean he does the rally for Shady Vans and the entire rally apparently like a huge portion of this rally was Donald Trump doing like a bizarre story like this in Youngstown, Ohio.

00:43:25.000 Doing a bizarre 8 minute segment in which music plays in the background as the crowd remains silent and people hold up their hands in solidarity with Trump.

00:43:36.000 Is that a rally for J.D.

00:43:37.000 Vance?

00:43:37.000 How does this help J.D.

00:43:38.000 Vance particularly?

00:43:39.000 Or does it turn into a campaign ad for Tim Ryan?

00:43:42.000 Here is Trump doing this routine.

00:43:44.000 It was very odd.

00:43:44.000 It was very odd optics.

00:43:47.000 We're not talking about 2024.

00:43:49.000 Trump hasn't declared for 2024.

00:43:50.000 No one's declared for 2024.

00:43:51.000 It's 2022.

00:43:53.000 Shouldn't he be rallying for J.D.

00:43:54.000 Vance rather than doing what appears to be some sort of campaign ad for 2024 using J.D.

00:43:59.000 Vance's campaign as a platform without actually funding J.D.

00:44:02.000 Vance?

00:44:03.000 We are a nation where free speech is no longer allowed, where crime is rampant like never before, where the economy has been collapsing, where more people died of COVID in 2021 than in 2020.

00:44:19.000 We are a nation that is allowing Iran to build a massive nuclear weapon. 0.86

00:44:23.000 And it goes like this for eight minutes, three minutes.

00:44:25.000 So here's the question.

00:44:27.000 If you are like typical conservative voter and you're looking at the possibility of 2024, who do you want?

00:44:32.000 The very effective governor of Florida who has got the media reacting to him constantly on issues that matter to the American people like illegal immigration, who is funding fellow Republicans, who is trying to pick the best candidates in particular races, who has swung an entire purple state red Or do you want the guy who can't be bothered to sign a check to the candidate he handpicked in the Senate and who's busy doing rallies where he pipes in music and people show solidarity with him personally?

00:44:58.000 However much you like Trump, at a certain point, you got to figure who is more likely to be a good president and who is more likely to win.

00:45:04.000 And again, none of that is to say that Donald Trump, if he's the nominee, I wouldn't vote for him.

00:45:08.000 None of that is to say that Donald Trump didn't do great things while he was president of the United States.

00:45:12.000 But efficacy matters.

00:45:14.000 Knowing how this game is played matters.

00:45:16.000 And by the way, backing the conservative movement generally, as opposed to losing two Senate seats in Georgia at a personal peak, that matters too.

00:45:22.000 If we hadn't lost two Senate seats in Georgia because Donald Trump was pissed at Brian Kemp in 2020, half of Joe Biden's spending never gets done.

00:45:30.000 More than half, probably.

00:45:31.000 Alrighty guys, the rest of the show is continuing right now.

00:45:33.000 You're not going to want to miss it.

00:45:35.000 We'll be getting into the New York Times suggesting that democracy is under threat, but we'll talk about from whom democracy is really under threat.

The Ben Shapiro Show - September 19, 2022

DeSantis Rising | Ep. 1577

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