The Ben Shapiro Show - Ep. 306 - Donald Of Arabia!

On Saturday, the co-founder of Twitter apologized for his creation. Why? Because it allowed the election of Donald Trump. In an interview with the New York Times, Evan Williams explained, "I think the internet is broken, and it's a lot more obvious to a lot of people that it's broken." This is silliness, of course. The internet isn't broken any more than guns are broken, just because bad people use them sometimes to do bad things. But Williams, like many of the left, believes that if a freedom can be exercised for great evil, it shouldn't be a freedom at all. Thus, he continues, I thought once everybody could speak freely and exchange ideas, the world was automatically going to be a better place. I was wrong about that. It's a very bad thing, but that doesn't make the forum bad. In fact, that should make it important. And I don't believe I have the right to be the sole determinant of where those lines are drawn. But I certainly don't think that tech executives who vote universally Democrat have that right either, either on a moral level, and neither do I believe that they have a moral obligation to act as gatekeepers. I don t believe that all speech is created equal. The problem is that the internet was started without the expectation that we'd have to be moderated by someone with which we agree. And that's what makes the forum important. except for the fact that we don't have a lock on our mouths, and that we should be able to argue them out of their position. Ben Shapiro: Perhaps you ought to help his Democratic friends come up with better arguments than shut Trump up if he wants Trump to lose, because he doesn't have the power to do so. Ben: If you want to be cool, then you need a better lock on the doorbell, but you don't need a lock to keep Trump out of the door, right? Ben: Ring: Ring of Security Kit: $150 off Ring + Ring + a Ring + an additional $150 to keep your house safe from intruders at night-time surveillance. Subscribe to Ben Shapiro's show: The Ben Shapiro Show: Ben Shapiro s show on the Ben Shapiro show on The Ben Show: I Don t know what to do with Ring + more! Subscribe to his podcast: Subscribe on Apple Podcasts Subscribe on iTunes Learn more about your ad choices? Subscribe on Audible Subscribe on Podchats and other podcasting services.

00:00:00.000 On Saturday, the co-founder of Twitter apologized for his creation.

00:00:03.000 Why?

00:00:04.000 Because it allowed the election of Donald Trump.

00:00:06.000 In an interview with the New York Times, Evan Williams explained, quote, I think the internet is broken, and it's a lot more obvious to a lot of people that it's broken.

00:00:12.000 This is silliness, of course.

00:00:13.000 The internet isn't broken any more than guns are broken, just because bad people use them sometimes to do bad things.

00:00:18.000 The internet is a tool that can do wonderful good or great evil.

00:00:21.000 But Williams, like many of the left, believes that if a freedom can be exercised for great evil, it shouldn't be a freedom at all.

00:00:27.000 Thus, he continues, quote,

00:00:28.000 I thought once everybody could speak freely and exchange information and ideas, the world is automatically going to be a better place.

00:00:33.000 I was wrong about that.

00:00:34.000 It's a very bad thing, Twitter's role in electing Trump.

00:00:37.000 If it's true that he wouldn't be president if it weren't for Twitter, then yeah, I'm sorry.

00:00:41.000 This is the problem with leftist thought.

00:00:42.000 There are many Americans who are deeply unhappy at Trump's election.

00:00:45.000 But there were just as many Americans unhappy at President Obama's election.

00:00:48.000 Just because many Americans don't agree with Ev Williams doesn't make a forum for argument and discussion bad.

00:00:53.000 In fact, that's what should make the forum important.

00:00:56.000 The shortcoming isn't Twitter, any more than the raucous debate that surrounds politics thanks to the First Amendment, is responsible for excesses performed by individual human beings.

00:01:04.000 We simply do not have the right to control what other people think or say, even if that results in bad people sometimes winning victories.

00:01:09.000 We have the right to argue them out of their position.

00:01:11.000 The moment they move toward violence, we have the right to stop them.

00:01:13.000 But Twitter didn't win the election for Trump.

00:01:15.000 It just provided Trump a forum for espousing his views, which those on the left were unable to counter effectively.

00:01:21.000 I don't believe all speech is created equal.

00:01:22.000 Some is evil, some is valueless, some is great.

00:01:24.000 But I also don't believe I have the right to be the sole determinant of where those lines are drawn.

00:01:29.000 And I certainly don't think that tech executives who vote universally Democrat have that right either on a moral level.

00:01:34.000 When Williams compares himself to Prometheus and says he deserves to have eagles, quote, peck out his guts for eternity for giving the power of tweets to Donald Trump, he forgets he didn't give the power of free speech to Trump.

00:01:44.000 God did.

00:01:45.000 He just provided a forum that wasn't moderated by someone with which he agrees.

00:01:48.000 Which is a good thing.

00:01:50.000 Perhaps you ought to help his Democratic friends come up with better arguments than shut Trump up if he wants Trump to lose.

00:01:55.000 But Williams has another solution.

00:01:56.000 Restore the gatekeepers.

00:01:58.000 He says the problem is that not everyone is going to be cool because humans are humans.

00:02:02.000 There's a lock on our office door and our homes at night.

00:02:04.000 The internet was started without the expectation that we'd have to do that online.

00:02:08.000 Except for the fact that there's no lock on our mouths.

00:02:10.000 Nor should there be.

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00:03:43.000 Okay, so, lots going on.

00:03:45.000 President Trump goes to Saudi Arabia.

00:03:48.000 So it's great for Trump that he is now doing this foreign tour because it's obviously eating up all of the headlines.

00:03:53.000 That's something that he needs because when last we left our story last Thursday, all of the talk was about Trump and Russia and firing of Comey and the Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

00:04:02.000 And there was a story that broke Friday that Trump had said to the Russians and the White House admitted that he said to the Russians that he was happy he got rid of Comey.

00:04:10.000 Because it provided him relief on the Russia issue, which is not something that you'd probably be saying.

00:04:14.000 But the focus has now shifted because Trump is abroad.

00:04:17.000 So as a PR matter, it's really good that Trump is over in Saudi Arabia, especially because there's no proof that anybody's done anything egregiously wrong as of yet.

00:04:25.000 And all of the Trump-Russia talk for the moment is just that talk.

00:04:28.000 So Trump heads over to Saudi Arabia, and supposedly the point of a tour like this is to create new ties and reestablish old ties.

00:04:36.000 Really, the point of a tour, whenever a president does a foreign tour, the point of a tour is generally the same as when you go into the office at your work, but you are capable of working from home.

00:04:47.000 It's FaceTime.

00:04:48.000 Okay, so the point is not to actually do anything useful.

00:04:50.000 It's to demonstrate to people that you're active.

00:04:52.000 It's to demonstrate to people that you are on the move, that things are happening.

00:04:56.000 When Obama went on his apology tour after he was elected, that didn't actually accomplish anything other than sort of give off the image of America as a country in retreat.

00:05:04.000 So, Trump was going to Saudi Arabia in order to change the image of America as a country in retreat.

00:05:09.000 Some of that he accomplished, some of that he didn't.

00:05:11.000 But it started off, and I have to say it's really funny, when Trump arrived in Saudi Arabia, the Saudis knew that he loves pomp and circumstance, and that he loves flattery, and flattery will get you everywhere with Trump.

00:05:22.000 So, they really laid out the red carpet for him.

00:05:24.000 Here's what it looked like as Trump deplaned in Saudi Arabia.

00:05:33.000 Jafar, you must come and see this!

00:05:49.000 Almost exactly like that, actually.

00:05:50.000 Like, you see the guys dancing with the swords?

00:05:51.000 So that actually happened in real life.

00:05:54.000 So here is some video of the Saudis doing the ceremonial sword dance, because nothing says friendly to people like a ceremonial sword dance. 0.82

00:06:02.000 So they all got out their swords into ceremonies, and here is Trump bebopping along to the ceremonial sword dance.

00:06:20.000 It's great stuff!

00:06:21.000 So Trump goes there and he takes part in all of this and of course everybody on the left is saying, well what in the world?

00:06:27.000 This is the guy who was saying that Saudi Arabia was the people behind 9-11 and there he is bebopping along. 0.66

00:06:31.000 So the left was kind of disappointed that Trump didn't start a nuclear war.

00:06:34.000 The left is always disappointed when Trump exceeds expectations.

00:06:37.000 And their expectation is that he was going to go to Saudi Arabia, spit on the Kaaba stone, and then immediately declare that everybody ought to convert to Christianity. 0.94

00:06:45.000 That is, of course, not what happened, and so they were very disappointed that wasn't what happened.

00:06:49.000 The imagery that came out, though, was pretty weird because

00:06:52.000 The great disconnect in American foreign policy, and this has existed well before the Bush administration, is this disconnect where we say that we're against radical Islamic terror, but then we make best friends with the Saudis who fund radical Islamic terror. 0.89

00:07:04.000 So you have some weird photos that were coming out like this one.

00:07:06.000 This is 10.

00:07:08.000 Yeah, this one.

00:07:10.000 So you got Trump.

00:07:11.000 This is, I believe, the king of Saudi Arabia.

00:07:15.000 They're opening the global

00:07:17.000 Anti-terror center which again if Saudi Arabia is involved in the global anti-terror center I'm gonna go with that's not gonna be a huge success and apparently Trump and the king of Saudi Arabia switching souls actually or at least gazing into the Palantir to see if they could see Sauron or not the problem is that that Hassan Rouhani is on the other end of that Palantir and can actually see them Austin producer Austin suggests that Donald Trump's basketball skills were actually sapped by this particular orb from Space Jam which is indeed a possibility in any case

00:07:46.000 All of this is, you know, not a huge deal.

00:07:50.000 The right made a huge deal out of President Obama bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia.

00:07:53.000 Trump didn't do that.

00:07:54.000 The left, it was really funny, the left tried to tell a fake news story where Trump had bowed.

00:07:58.000 He wasn't bowing, okay?

00:07:59.000 The prince of Saudi Arabia gave him some sort of medal and he bent over to receive it because how else do you get it?

00:08:05.000 On the person's neck.

00:08:06.000 I mean, it's like saying that Han Solo was bowing to Princess Leia when she was awarding him a medal after the destruction of the Death Star.

00:08:12.000 No.

00:08:12.000 It turns out that whenever somebody puts a medal around your neck, you have to sort of lower your neck so it can get around your neck.

00:08:17.000 So the left immediately tried to suggest that he was bowing in the same way that Obama had bowed, and that, of course, is just ridiculous and silly towns and nonsense. 0.97

00:08:26.000 I will again say that 0.97

00:08:28.000 I was of a divided mind about all the pomp and circumstance surrounding Trump arriving.

00:08:34.000 Ann Coulter said the reason that Saudi Arabia welcomed Trump this way is because he's an alpha as opposed to Obama who was a real beta.

00:08:39.000 Here is Ann on Saturday night.

00:08:41.000 I like the fact that, you know, because he is a strong alpha male leader, that the Arabs respect him.

00:08:48.000 They don't respect the beta male Obama.

00:08:52.000 Okay, well, I think that there's maybe some truth to this.

00:08:54.000 I think that it's more likely that the Muslims figured, that the Saudis figured, that if you flatter Trump a lot, then he will be nice to you.

00:09:01.000 And the reason I say this is because that's exactly what Bibi Netanyahu did immediately afterward.

00:09:05.000 So Bibi saw that they had rolled out this red carpet, they brought in 1.00

00:09:09.000 Which country star was it?

00:09:11.000 They brought in some country music singer to sing in front of an all-male concert in Saudi Arabia. 0.90

00:09:17.000 They basically did the full Vegas.

00:09:20.000 And Trump loved it.

00:09:21.000 And so immediately, Bibi Netanyahu, recognizing that Trump loves to be feeded and treated like a king, Bibi immediately mandated that all of his ministers had to be on the tarmac when Trump went to Israel.

00:09:31.000 Trump arrived in Israel today.

00:09:32.000 And Bibi mandated that they basically up the amount of pomp and circumstance because

00:09:36.000 Now this has turned into King Lear a little bit, where King Lear wants all of the daughters to show how much they love him and just express in the most glowing terms how much they love him.

00:09:45.000 So, is that a big deal or not?

00:09:47.000 No.

00:09:47.000 In fact, I think that it's kind of great when countries pay homage to the United States.

00:09:51.000 We are the most powerful country on earth, as well we should be.

00:09:54.000 But I'm not sure that the Saudis are paying homage to the United States.

00:09:57.000 I think they're paying homage to Trump, which is a slightly different thing.

00:10:00.000 Okay, so then Trump goes and he does his Saudi speech.

00:10:04.000 And the speech itself, you know, is widely praised by people on the right.

00:10:09.000 I am of divided mind about the speech, to tell you the truth.

00:10:12.000 I think there were some good things in the speech.

00:10:13.000 I think there were some things that were not so good in the speech.

00:10:15.000 I don't think it has much to do with Trump.

00:10:17.000 I think that Trump's speech has more to do with divides in the mind of the American people.

00:10:21.000 I think that the American people are very divided mind on foreign policy, and they're not of clear mind on foreign policy.

00:10:27.000 And there are three kind of key distinctions in foreign policy that the American people are not willing

00:10:33.000 To face up to.

00:10:34.000 Because foreign policy is filled with hard choices.

00:10:36.000 Because anytime you talk about foreign policy, in reality what you're talking about is the balance between diplomacy, isolationism, involvement in the world, military use of force.

00:10:45.000 And these are very difficult questions because no one wants to be the person who puts American soldiers in harm's way or expends American resources in pursuit of some goal that we don't care about.

00:10:53.000 And so there are three kind of fundamental conflicts in American foreign policy that have never been resolved.

00:10:58.000 Particularly since World War II.

00:10:59.000 World War II is the last time that all of these were resolved in united fashion.

00:11:03.000 Since then, the United States really has not had a coherent foreign policy, because World War II was such a clear-cut moral battle, and also such a clear-cut battle of self-defense at the same time.

00:11:14.000 There was some of this during the Cold War as well.

00:11:16.000 This was the key division between the right and the left.

00:11:17.000 The right saw it as a moral battle and a self-defense battle.

00:11:19.000 The left saw it as neither a self-defense battle nor a moral battle, and so there was battle over that.

00:11:24.000 But here are sort of the three conflicts in American foreign policy, and you'll see how they materialize in Trump's speech.

00:11:29.000 So, the first one is about human rights.

00:11:31.000 So Americans have a very weird perspective about human rights.

00:11:35.000 America has always stood for the notion that all human beings are created equal with certain inalienable rights in our Declaration of Independence.

00:11:42.000 That does not mean, however, that it is the job of the American government to achieve the realization of those inalienable rights for everyone.

00:11:48.000 America doesn't have the power to do that. 1.00

00:11:50.000 America doesn't have the wherewithal to do it.

00:11:51.000 If we could snap our fingers and everybody would have governments that protect the same rights that we have, then we would obviously do that.

00:11:57.000 But it's not about snapping the fingers.

00:11:58.000 It's about what are you willing to sacrifice to do that.

00:12:01.000 The basic American foreign policy has always been where possible we push, where not possible we hold off.

00:12:07.000 But here's the truth.

00:12:10.000 Since the Vietnam War, we have very little interest as a people in foreign interventions on the basis of human rights until there's something gross on our TV, in which case we get aggressive in knee-jerk fashion, which is sort of what happened in Syria. 0.78

00:12:21.000 We were like, OK, we don't want anything to do with Syria. 0.99

00:12:23.000 It's a civil war.

00:12:24.000 It's going to get ugly.

00:12:25.000 Fine.

00:12:25.000 Who cares?

00:12:25.000 And then there are pictures of gas children on our TV and everybody snaps to and boom, we need to get involved right now.

00:12:31.000 I mean, you fire some cruise missiles and hit a camel in the ass right now. 0.99

00:12:34.000 It's incoherent, but that incoherence didn't start with Trump and it doesn't end with Trump. 0.99

00:12:38.000 It's just incoherence that's been part of American foreign policy for the last few decades.

00:12:42.000 What that incoherence means is it's more incoherent, it means that there are basically a couple of views on how to pursue human rights.

00:12:49.000 People lie to themselves.

00:12:50.000 Instead of just saying, listen, we're not going to save every, we're not going to take every human rights violation all that seriously.

00:12:56.000 We're not.

00:12:56.000 We're going to take the human rights violation seriously, that we have to take seriously, and that forward America's goals, we're not going to take other ones seriously.

00:13:04.000 Instead you end up with this sort of bizarre

00:13:06.000 Snap back and forth foreign policy.

00:13:08.000 So President Obama would speak about human rights all the time, but then he felt that America was actually the threat to human rights, so he would withdraw from the region and the isolationism ends up setting the region on fire.

00:13:17.000 President Bush spoke about human rights and he actually meant it, so that meant he was much more interventionist.

00:13:22.000 Trump is actually more Obama than Bush, not because he thinks America's a bad force in the world, but just because he thinks America should be isolationist and not involved.

00:13:30.000 And so his foreign policy on human rights is, I'm going to speak in strong terms about violation of human rights, but there's no actual carrot and there's no actual stick.

00:13:37.000 And that's what was missing from the Saudi speech.

00:13:38.000 There was not a lot of carrot.

00:13:40.000 There was not a lot of stick.

00:13:41.000 It was not clear what his actual plan was in any of this.

00:13:45.000 And so you have to ask, okay, well, if he's not laying forth a plan in Saudi Arabia, what's he there to do?

00:13:49.000 There's only two things a foreign speech really, well three things, a foreign speech can do.

00:13:54.000 One is it can rev up your domestic base.

00:13:57.000 That I think Trump did and did well.

00:13:59.000 The second thing that it could do is it could set forth a sort of foreign policy goal.

00:14:04.000 I don't think that Trump did that all that well.

00:14:05.000 And the third thing is he could set forward policy and he didn't do that at all.

00:14:08.000 The second conflict, so I said that there are three central conflicts to American foreign policy that Americans really have not yet

00:14:14.000 Come to grips with because it's ugly.

00:14:16.000 We don't actually want to make these ugly choices.

00:14:17.000 I'm gonna get to the second one in just a second.

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00:15:55.000 Okay, so I said there are three fundamental contradictions in American foreign policy.

00:15:59.000 One is over human rights.

00:16:00.000 We say that we like them, then we're not willing to do all that much to do anything about them, in many cases, until there's something ugly on our TV and then we do something.

00:16:06.000 And this has been true since Black Hawk Down in Somalia, it's been true in Yugoslavia, it's been true in Iraq, it's been true in Syria, it's been true in Libya.

00:16:15.000 We have a tendency in the United States...

00:16:17.000 Or we don't actually want to commit resources, but then when it comes down to it, we recognize that we are actually the world's policemen, whether we like it or not, and that we are sometimes going to have to commit resources.

00:16:26.000 But, there's no real good way to articulate that.

00:16:29.000 Fundamental conflict number two, over radical Islamic terror.

00:16:31.000 So, there's a lot of talk about how Obama was doing a grave disservice to the United States by not recognizing the threat of radical Islamic terror.

00:16:38.000 He wouldn't even say the words radical Islamic terror, and the reason that Obama said he wouldn't say the words radical Islamic terror is because his take, what he liked to say,

00:16:46.000 Is that if he said the words radical Islamic terror, he would be lumping terrorists in with regular Muslims, and it has nothing to do with Islam, it's just a cult of death that has nothing to do with Islam.

00:16:56.000 And people on the right said, no, no, no, it does have something to do with Islam, and if you fail to recognize that, then you're failing to look in the right place for the enemy. 0.96

00:17:02.000 Like, pretending that terrorism is equally a threat in Sweden as it is coming from Saudi Arabia is just silly. 0.97

00:17:09.000 It's just silly. 0.90

00:17:10.000 And if you look at the polls, you'll see that a huge, huge number, hundreds of millions of Muslims, believe in things that we in the West would consider extraordinarily extreme. 0.94

00:17:17.000 I mean, I have a whole video about this, about the myth of the tiny radical Muslim minority. 0.90

00:17:23.000 So the whole point here was that leads you to a long-term strategy about how do you change the Muslim world? 1.00

00:17:28.000 Do you make temporary alliances?

00:17:30.000 Do you call on Muslims to do forward groups that are more secular in nature in Muslim countries?

00:17:37.000 But the point is that labeling radical Islamic terror is connected to a worldview and an action.

00:17:41.000 It's not just about saying the words and then doing nothing.

00:17:43.000 And there is this fundamental disconnect in the American mind because once you recognize that hundreds of millions of people

00:17:49.000 are radicalized.

00:17:50.000 Not terrorists, but radicalized and hold radical views according to Western standards.

00:17:53.000 That requires a pretty large sacrifice of resources if you want to change that.

00:17:57.000 It requires, for example, in some cases, regime change.

00:18:00.000 It requires the backing of rebel groups in particular areas that we might find uncomfortable.

00:18:05.000 It requires us to get deeply involved in areas that we don't necessarily want to be involved in.

00:18:10.000 And so what we tend to do is we tend to say, well, yeah, we should label the bad guys the radical Islamic terrorists. 0.82

00:18:15.000 But also, it's really not that many of them, and they're really not worshipping Islam.

00:18:20.000 So, that's sort of what happened with Trump yesterday.

00:18:22.000 He said radical Islamic terror, and then he parroted a bunch of Obama platitudes.

00:18:25.000 And finally, the third conflict that exists in American foreign policy that we really don't want to face up to, is isolationism itself.

00:18:33.000 So, Americans tend to be gut-level isolationists.

00:18:36.000 There has yet to be a president who ran on being an interventionist.

00:18:39.000 All presidents run on being isolationists, essentially.

00:18:42.000 And they all end up interventionists because the world is a pretty complex place.

00:18:45.000 So you can either be honest about your foreign policy or you can be not honest about your foreign policy.

00:18:51.000 President Bush ended up, he campaigned as an isolationist.

00:18:54.000 He ended up as an interventionist and stretched us too far in the process.

00:18:57.000 President Obama embraced isolationism and watched the region burst into flame.

00:19:01.000 The truth is that Trump is more along Obama's lines in terms of withdrawal from the region than he is along Bush's lines in terms of intervention in the region.

00:19:09.000 And so this speech

00:19:12.000 The right saw it as a fundamental rebuke to Obama, and in some ways it was.

00:19:16.000 The truth is it was actually more of a fundamental rebuke to the Bush foreign policy than to the Obama foreign policy.

00:19:22.000 So now I actually want to play some of the speech.

00:19:24.000 With all that in mind, I actually want to go through some of the speech.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - May 22, 2017

Ep. 306 - Donald Of Arabia!

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