The Ben Shapiro Show - Moore Comes Unmoored | Ep. 417

00:00:00.000 The Roy Moore campaign is on the rails after another accuser emerges. 0.76

00:00:03.000 Plus, the left finally acknowledged that Bill Clinton is probably a rapist, but they don't seem to acknowledge just why they ignored it in the first place.

00:00:12.000 We'll discuss all of it. 0.96

00:00:13.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:14.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

00:00:21.000 Okay, so the latest news is that Senate Republican contender from Alabama, Roy Moore, was hit with another allegation yesterday, a very credible allegation, from a woman who is now 55 years old.

00:00:32.000 She says when she was 16 years old, Roy Moore essentially tried to rape her.

00:00:35.000 We'll talk about that, but we will also talk about this op-ed from the New York Times that truly is astonishing and I think shows just why the

00:00:43.000 Evil people in politics are going to continue to gain credibility and actually gain in the public consciousness as opposed to losing the public consciousness.

00:00:52.000 It's an article from the New York Times that's truly astonishing today.

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00:02:05.000 Okay, so I want to start with this article from the New York Times.

00:02:08.000 I'll get to the allegations against Roy Moore in just a second, but first I want to give you the background because a lot of people on the left have been wondering, why is it that so many people on the right, why is it that so many people on the right are constantly

00:02:20.000 You know, making excuses for bad behavior on their own side.

00:02:23.000 This seemed like a question that was being asked a lot during the last election cycle.

00:02:26.000 I asked it too.

00:02:27.000 I said, you know, we were the party that said the character mattered.

00:02:29.000 We were the party that suggested that the president of the United States should not be involved in sexual misconduct.

00:02:36.000 And now we're nominating Donald Trump.

00:02:38.000 And I thought that was an open, honest question.

00:02:40.000 But the reality is that many people on the right, as I discussed yesterday,

00:02:44.000 are responding directly to the left embrace of Bill Clinton.

00:02:47.000 The Bill Clinton years broke the country as far as the question is whether character matters in their politicians.

00:02:52.000 There are always two perspectives on whether character matters in politicians.

00:02:55.000 Going all the way back to the founding, there was the delegate version of representation and there was the sort of responsibility version of representation.

00:03:02.000 So the delegate version of representation goes like something like this.

00:03:06.000 The character of the person you elect doesn't matter so long as they do what you want.

00:03:09.000 It doesn't matter if they're a good person.

00:03:11.000 It doesn't matter if they're a smart person.

00:03:12.000 So long as they are doing your bidding, you could elect a dog to basically hit a button in the Senate and you'd be just fine. 0.80

00:03:19.000 This is the delegate model of representation.

00:03:20.000 Then there's what the founders thought.

00:03:22.000 Edmund Burke, philosopher John Stuart Mill thought this.

00:03:25.000 That when you elect a representative, the whole point of having a representative government as opposed to a democratic government is that a democratic government is all about the idea that the people get to vote on every issue.

00:03:33.000 A representative government is about the idea that you elect representatives so you can delegate to them the responsibility to do independent thinking, independent research, and come to their own conclusions.

00:03:43.000 So that means you have to trust the character of the people that you actually elect.

00:03:46.000 This is why there's an inscription on the White House from John Adams that says, may none but good and wise men sit in this house.

00:03:52.000 Essentially.

00:03:53.000 The idea that character was innately bound with good legislation was something the founders really believed and was part of American politics for centuries.

00:04:01.000 That broke down during the Clinton years.

00:04:03.000 Because during the Clinton years, there have been bad people who were president before.

00:04:05.000 JFK was a bad guy.

00:04:07.000 LBJ was a bad guy.

00:04:08.000 There have been lots of people who were bad guys who were president before, but 0.86

00:04:12.000 It had never been part of the public consciousness just how disgusting some of these politicians were.

00:04:16.000 The press did not cover at all the allegations against JFK.

00:04:20.000 Instead, they turned him into a white knight on a shining horse, or an iron shining knight on a white horse, or whatever the phrase is.

00:04:26.000 And in any case, 0.82

00:04:28.000 When Clinton came about and all the allegations started to break about what a disgusting person he was, the left came to his defense. 0.99

00:04:33.000 And what the left says is everyone lies about sex. 1.00

00:04:36.000 They said that the accusers were a bunch of, uh, they were sluts and nuts. 1.00

00:04:39.000 Right? 1.00

00:04:39.000 This was legitimately a phrase that was used. 1.00

00:04:40.000 They were a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty. 0.99

00:04:42.000 This was one of the things that some of the Clinton defenders were saying. 0.99

00:04:44.000 People like Nina Burleigh from Time Magazine. 0.99

00:04:46.000 She was saying that she didn't care about Clinton's sexual peccadillos because she would be willing to offer the president oral sex so long as he kept abortion legal. 1.00

00:04:53.000 So... 0.99

00:04:54.000 This is a very lowbrow way of saying that it's the delegate model of representation. 1.00

00:04:57.000 So long as he votes the way I want, it doesn't matter if the guy is a complete scumbag. 0.97

00:05:02.000 Well, now, that logic has turned in on itself for the Democrats, because so many people on the right are basically saying the same thing now. 0.99

00:05:08.000 They're basically saying, who cares how Roy Moore votes, right?

00:05:10.000 This is the David Horowitz perspective.

00:05:11.000 Or rather, who cares how Roy Moore acts? 1.00

00:05:13.000 Who cares if he tried to rape a 14-year-old girl? 1.00

00:05:16.000 Who cares if he sexually assaulted a 16-year-old? 0.99

00:05:18.000 None of that matters, so long as he votes the right way on abortion.

00:05:22.000 And the left is objecting to this, I think rightly so.

00:05:24.000 So, now what is the left doing in response?

00:05:26.000 Well, now the left is trying to rewrite history.

00:05:28.000 They are trying to explain why they defended Bill Clinton, but they think that it's absolutely wrong to defend Roy Moore or Donald Trump when there are allegations against them.

00:05:35.000 And so what they've decided to do, as their solution, is throw Bill Clinton under the bus, but defend their behavior at the time.

00:05:41.000 So, there's a piece by Michelle Goldberg at the New York Times that is astonishing in its unconscious honesty about how the left viewed Bill Clinton.

00:05:49.000 So I'm going to go through it because I think that this informs.

00:05:51.000 You want to know why we are where we are in politics?

00:05:54.000 It is because of things that happened when I was a child.

00:05:56.000 It's because of the, it's because of the 1990s when the entire political left decided that character no longer counted.

00:06:01.000 And then the right learned the lesson that if character no longer counted, it shouldn't count for anybody.

00:06:05.000 So here is what Michelle Globerg writes.

00:06:07.000 She says,

00:06:23.000 Well, that's not accurate.

00:06:35.000 It's not accurate that the right was talking about Bill Clinton during the Roy Moore stuff because they were trying to dismiss allegations against Roy Moore.

00:06:42.000 I was one of the first people to say that Roy Moore should step out of the race.

00:06:45.000 And I was mentioning Bill Clinton because I was pointing out the hypocrisy of the left in going after Roy Moore.

00:06:50.000 I was saying that they should embrace a standard where they throw Bill Clinton overboard too, and Ted Kennedy, and JFK, and Harvey Milk, and all the people who are molesting, you know, young women.

00:06:59.000 All these people should be thrown overboard by the left if they wish to remain consistent here.

00:07:04.000 The left doesn't want to remain consistent, so they're going to accuse us of hypocrisy even if I'm not a hypocrite, even if I think that Roy Moore is guilty.

00:07:09.000 In any case, Michelle Glover continues, despite the right's evident bad faith, I agree with Hayes.

00:07:14.000 In this hashtag MeToo moment, when we're reassessing decades of maleness behavior and turning open secrets into exposés, we should look clearly at the credible evidence that Juanita Broderick told the truth when she accused Clinton of raping her.

00:07:29.000 Slow clap for coming to the correct conclusion 25 years after the fact.

00:07:34.000 Slow clap for that. 0.58

00:07:36.000 Juanita Broderick came out with her allegations in like 1992, and she alleged that Bill Clinton took her into a room and forced himself on her and physically raped her, and that there was a dinner afterward that she attended where Hillary Clinton came up to her, patted her on the hand, and she said, meaning keep your mouth shut.

00:07:54.000 The left, for two decades, has been ignoring Juanita Broderick and pretending that Juanita Broderick didn't exist.

00:07:59.000 During the last election cycle, when the Trump campaign brought up Juanita Broderick, the media quashed interviews with Juanita Broderick.

00:08:05.000 They said, this is old news, why would we cover this?

00:08:08.000 Only now, when the election's over, and when they're trying to look to weaponize all sexual allegations against the right, do they finally admit that this stuff happened against Bill Clinton.

00:08:18.000 It isn't complicated.

00:08:19.000 Condemn rapists. 0.99

00:08:20.000 Condemn sexual assaulters. 0.76

00:08:21.000 I have my entire career.

00:08:29.000 She says, Democrats are guilty of apologizing for Clinton when they shouldn't have.

00:08:33.000 At the same time, and here's where you start getting the excuses, here's where you get the, yeah, sure, we crapped all over Juanita Broderick and Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey and Monica Lewinsky. 0.98

00:08:42.000 Sure, we dumped heaps of garbage on them and destroyed their lives.

00:08:45.000 Sure, we did all the things, but you know why we did that?

00:08:47.000 We did that because of the right.

00:08:48.000 Because the right was politicized.

00:08:50.000 That's why we did it.

00:08:51.000 She says, at the same time, looking back at the smear campaign against the Clintons shows we can't treat the feminist injunction to believe women as absolute.

00:08:58.000 The believe women is in quotes in her piece.

00:09:00.000 Okay, so the idea here is that the smear campaign against the Clintons means that you get to crap all over a bunch of credible allegations?

00:09:07.000 The same exact logic.

00:09:08.000 What's hilarious is this article is supposed to be kind of against Roy Moore.

00:09:11.000 The exact same logic could be used for Roy Moore, right?

00:09:14.000 The people who are defending Roy Moore today say that this is a smear campaign launched by the Washington Post and the left-wing media 30 days before an election in order to get Roy Moore.

00:09:22.000 That's what they are alleging.

00:09:24.000 So by her logic, the right should look at Roy Moore and say, well, maybe these accusers are full of it.

00:09:29.000 I mean, after all, this is a smear campaign from the left.

00:09:32.000 Obviously, they're trying to win the Senate seat.

00:09:34.000 It's amazing.

00:09:35.000 Amazing.

00:09:35.000 Even at the same time, they're throwing Bill Clinton under the bus.

00:09:37.000 And now they can throw Bill Clinton under the bus in complete safety.

00:09:40.000 Hillary Clinton has lost the presidency.

00:09:41.000 Bill Clinton is not the first lady.

00:09:43.000 They can take his desiccated political corpse and throw it out the window of the train.

00:09:49.000 No problem whatsoever.

00:09:50.000 But even when they do that, they have to blame the right for it.

00:09:52.000 They have to suggest that because the right was trying to smear Clinton, that meant that these women should not be believed.

00:09:59.000 It's an incredible statement.

00:10:00.000 It demonstrates full scale the immorality of the left on these particular issues.

00:10:05.000 Really amazing stuff.

00:10:07.000 Wait a second.

00:10:08.000 It's easy to imagine Breitbart doing that?

00:10:10.000 It's easy to imagine Breitbart doing that?

00:10:29.000 This is what the entire right accused the media of doing with Donald Trump.

00:10:35.000 And Herman Cain.

00:10:36.000 And Clarence Thomas.

00:10:37.000 And a bunch of other Republican figures.

00:10:38.000 And now it's the right-wing media that's going to militarize this?

00:10:41.000 The Clinton years, this piece continues, in which epistemological warfare emerged as a key part of the Republican political arsenal, shows us why we should be wary of allegations that bubble up from the right-wing press.

00:10:53.000 So, she starts off by saying, I believe Juanita Broderick, and then she dispenses eight paragraphs explaining why she shouldn't have believed Juanita Broderick.

00:10:59.000 She says, at the time, the reactionary billionaire Richard Mellonscape was bankrolling the Arkansas Project.

00:11:05.000 Which David Brock, the former right-wing journalist who played a major role in it, described as the multi-million dollar dirty tricks operation under the Clintons.

00:11:11.000 Yeah, quote David Brock, the head of Media Matters, now a multi-million dollar dirty tricks operation against Republicans.

00:11:16.000 Various figures in conservative media accused Bill Clinton of murder, drug running, and using state troopers as pimps.

00:11:21.000 Brock alleges that right-wing figures funneled money to some of Clinton's accusers.

00:11:25.000 Okay, does that mean that you can't believe the accusers?

00:11:28.000 Because what she seems to be saying is you shouldn't believe them.

00:11:30.000 So do you believe them or do you not believe them?

00:11:32.000 Here's what she concludes.

00:11:34.000 In this environment, it would have been absurd to take accusations of assault and harassment made against Clinton at face value.

00:11:39.000 Really?

00:11:40.000 Would it have been absurd to take Juanita Broderick at face value?

00:11:43.000 Would it have been absurd to take Paula Jones at face value or Kathleen Willey at face value?

00:11:46.000 When they made credible allegations of rape and sexual assault?

00:11:50.000 Was that really that absurd?

00:11:52.000 Because, no, it wasn't.

00:11:54.000 No, it was not. 1.00

00:11:55.000 Right, she says that Willie accused not only Bill Clinton of groping her and rubbing his erect penis on her and pushing her hand to his crotch, but accused the Clintons of having her husband and then her cat killed. 1.00

00:12:05.000 Must we believe that too? 0.95

00:12:06.000 The answer is no, you don't have to believe that allegation, but you have to disprove the other one.

00:12:10.000 You have to at least, I thought that the idea behind Me Too is that we have to at least take seriously the other allegation.

00:12:15.000 And then she dismisses the Paula Jones stuff.

00:12:18.000 Even though Bill Clinton settled for hundreds of thousands of dollars out of court, she says that Paula Jones' claim must have been nonsense as well.

00:12:24.000 And then she finishes this way, this is amazing, she says,

00:12:27.000 Of the Clinton accusers, the one who haunts me is Broderick.

00:12:30.000 The story she tells about Clinton recalls those we've heard about Weinstein.

00:12:33.000 She claimed they had plans to meet up in a hotel coffee shop, but at the last minute he asked to come up to her hotel room instead where he raped her.

00:12:39.000 Five witnesses said she confided in them about the assault right after it happened.

00:12:42.000 It's true she denied the rape in an affidavit to Paula Jones' lawyers before changing her story when talking to federal investigators.

00:12:47.000 But her explanation that she didn't want to go public but couldn't lie to the FBI makes sense.

00:12:51.000 Put simply, I believe her. 0.99

00:12:52.000 So, buried in this article about believing Juanita Broderick is the fact that she thinks Bill Clinton's a rapist. 0.79

00:12:57.000 But most of the article is why it was okay not to believe Bill Clinton was a rapist when the allegations were made.

00:13:02.000 Why?

00:13:03.000 Because that would have helped the right.

00:13:05.000 And she concludes this way, she says, It's fair to conclude that because of Broderick's allegations, Bill Clinton no longer has a place in decent society.

00:13:12.000 Okay, if you think that, didn't he no longer have a place in decent society 25 years ago when he was running for president?

00:13:17.000 Seems to me rapists didn't have a place in decent society in 1992 the same way they don't in 2017.

00:13:22.000 Because we should remember, it's not simply partisan tribalism that led liberals to doubt her.

00:13:27.000 Discerning what might be true in a blizzard of lies isn't easy, and the people who spread those lies don't get to claim the moral high ground.

00:13:32.000 We should err on the side of believing women, but sometimes that belief will be used against us.

00:13:36.000 Well, then you're not erring on the side of believing women, are you?

00:13:39.000 I love that line.

00:13:40.000 We should remember it's not simply partisan tribalism that led liberals to doubt her.

00:13:43.000 It was simply partisan tribalism that led people to doubt Juanita Broderick.

00:13:47.000 That's what the entire thing was about.

00:13:49.000 There's no question that that is what the entire thing was about.

00:13:52.000 And now they're accusing the right of the same thing with some degree of truth.

00:13:55.000 With some degree of truth.

00:13:57.000 But this started on the left and then it infected the right.

00:14:00.000 That doesn't mean the infection on the right is okay.

00:14:02.000 It isn't.

00:14:02.000 It's disgusting.

00:14:03.000 Okay, just because somebody, just because the left had political herpes and now the right has acquired political herpes does not make political herpes good. 0.96

00:14:11.000 But to pretend that this is something that's unique on the right or the left now has the capacity to say their herpes have been cured at the same time they're defending their acquisition of herpes to begin with is disgusting.

00:14:20.000 Before I go any further, we're going to talk about Roy Moore and what's happening with Roy Moore, who clearly needs to step down from this race.

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00:15:50.000 All of this leads up to the latest allegations about Roy Moore.

00:15:52.000 And the left is just in stitches over this.

00:15:54.000 The left is chortling over the wonder and glory of the Roy Moore allegations.

00:15:58.000 And that is because the Roy Moore allegations are really bad.

00:16:00.000 Okay, so we'll start with the less disturbing allegations.

00:16:04.000 Ready for this?

00:16:04.000 Here's the less disturbing allegation.

00:16:06.000 According to the New Yorker, which has been doing good work on the Harvey Weinstein stuff, so before everybody goes, the New Yorker is just biased to the left, and that's why they're going after Roy Moore.

00:16:14.000 They also broke all of the news about Harvey Weinstein.

00:16:17.000 Here is what they say.

00:16:17.000 They say that Roy Moore, in the early 80s, was a regular visitor to the local Gadsden Mall and he was banned from the mall.

00:16:26.000 They say that, according to this columnist,

00:16:29.000 He spoke or messaged with more than a dozen people, including a major political figure in the state, who told me they'd heard over the years that Moore had been banned from the mall because he repeatedly badgered teenage girls.

00:16:38.000 Some say they heard this at the time, others in the years since.

00:16:40.000 These people include five members of the local legal community, two cops who worked in the town, several people who hung out at the mall in the early 80s, and a number of former mall employees.

00:16:48.000 The Moore campaign did not answer requests for comment.

00:16:51.000 The stories that say that they've been heard for years have been swirling online for days.

00:16:56.000 People are saying that he was banned from the Gadsden Mall and the YMCA for soliciting sex from young girls.

00:17:01.000 Teresa Jones, the Deputy DA in Ottawa County, she told CNN last week it was common knowledge that Roy dated high school girls.

00:17:07.000 Greg Legat is 59.

00:17:08.000 He was from 1981 to 1985 an employee at a store that was in the Gadsden Mall.

00:17:12.000 He said the mall was the place to be and he says he saw more there a few times even though it was his understanding that he had already been banned.

00:17:18.000 He said it started around 1979.

00:17:19.000 I know the ban was still in place when I got there.

00:17:22.000 He recalled a Gadsden police officer named J.D.

00:17:25.000 Thomas who worked security at the mall.

00:17:26.000 He said, J.D.

00:17:26.000 was a fixture there when I was working at the store.

00:17:28.000 He really looked after the kids there.

00:17:29.000 He was a good guy.

00:17:30.000 He said, if you see Roy, let me know.

00:17:31.000 He's banned from the mall.

00:17:34.000 Okay, people being banned from the ball because they're trolling for teenage girls, that is not a good sign.

00:17:38.000 And then it gets worse.

00:17:39.000 So yesterday, there was a lot of talk right before, during our show, I told you about how Gloria Allred was going to be holding a press conference with an accuser.

00:17:46.000 And I suggested that Gloria Allred's presence was an indicator that there may be a problem with the story, because Gloria Allred is a publicity hound. 0.63

00:17:55.000 Then came the press conference.

00:17:57.000 And the press conference was devastating.

00:17:59.000 The press conference was devastating.

00:18:01.000 So here is the press conference itself.

00:18:05.000 The woman in this story is a woman in Beverly Young Nelson. 0.94

00:18:09.000 She was 16 years old when the alleged attempted near-rape took place.

00:18:13.000 And here she is describing what exactly happened to her and then-District Attorney Roy Moore.

00:18:19.000 Instead of answering my questions, Mr. Moore reached over and began groping me and putting his hands on my breasts. 0.98

00:18:30.000 I tried to open my car door to leave, but he reached over and he locked it so I could not get out.

00:18:38.000 I tried fighting him off while yelling at him to stop.

00:18:44.000 But instead of stopping, he began squeezing my neck, attempting to force my head onto his crotch.

00:18:54.000 I continued to struggle. 0.97

00:18:57.000 I was determined that I was not going to allow him to force me to have sex with him. 0.67

00:19:01.000 I was terrified.

00:19:06.000 She was 16 years old at the time, and something that people should know is that she, like the first woman who accused Roy Moore of sexually molesting her when she was 14 years old, she's a Trump supporter as well.

00:19:16.000 Like, everyone in Alabama's a Trump supporter, so that shouldn't come as any surprise to anybody.

00:19:20.000 So, these allegations are very credible.

00:19:22.000 She also said that she knew Roy Moore and she had proof that she knew Roy Moore.

00:19:26.000 She said that she worked at a restaurant until 10 p.m.

00:19:28.000 at night, and basically, it was 10 p.m., she got off shift, her boyfriend couldn't pick her up, so Roy Moore offered to give her a ride home, brought her in a car around the back of the restaurant,

00:19:36.000 I think?

00:19:53.000 And yesterday she actually pulled out the yearbook.

00:19:56.000 And Roy Moore's signature appears in that yearbook.

00:19:58.000 It looks just like his signature from today.

00:20:00.000 Unless she went ahead and forged this for no apparent reason.

00:20:03.000 It says, to a sweeter and more beautiful girl, I could not say Merry Christmas.

00:20:09.000 So, making Christmas great again, Roy Moore.

00:20:11.000 This is Christmas 1977, Love Roy Moore, D.A.

00:20:14.000 So he actually signed it with his position, and then he signed it with the date, right, 12-22-77, and then it said Old Hickory House, right, so he even signed the location.

00:20:24.000 Roy Moore's response to all of this was to suggest that all of this was basically, all of this was nonsense, that he didn't know her,

00:20:33.000 There's a picture of her, by the way, you can see there on the bottom, you can see the picture of her from her high school yearbook.

00:20:38.000 And, you know, she was, apparently she competed in beauty pageants and contests and such, and more used to come in and flirt with her, she says.

00:20:45.000 Roy Moore responds to all of this.

00:20:47.000 And here's Roy Moore's response.

00:20:49.000 I want to make it perfectly clear.

00:20:51.000 The people of Alabama know me.

00:20:52.000 They know my character.

00:20:54.000 They know what I've stood for in the political world for over 40 years.

00:20:57.000 And I can tell you without hesitation, this is absolutely false.

00:21:01.000 I never did what she said I did.

00:21:04.000 I don't even know the woman.

00:21:06.000 I don't know anything about her.

00:21:08.000 I don't even know where the restaurant is or was.

00:21:11.000 And if you look at

00:21:12.000 This situation, you'll see that because I'm 11 points ahead, or 10 or 11 points ahead, this race being just 28 days off, that this is a political maneuver.

00:21:24.000 Okay, so he's going to blame it on a political maneuver in exactly the same way that Michelle Goldberg tries to blame not believing the accusers, Juanita Broderick, on political maneuvering. 0.99

00:21:31.000 So you can see, the exact mirror logic of the Clinton years is now being used by Roy Moore.

00:21:37.000 And one of the things that's really, you know,

00:21:40.000 Very difficult about this entire situation is that everyone, because they're looking at these allegations through the political lens, and it's impossible not to look at it through the political lens, they are now turning this into a battle between the establishment and the non-establishment.

00:21:53.000 There's a report out today, the only major Republican who is not disassociated from Moore in the aftermath of those very credible allegations that were made by this woman yesterday.

00:22:00.000 Literally, the only Republican who has not yet disassociated is Donald Trump himself.

00:22:04.000 Trump is supposed to come back into town, I believe, today, and we'll see what he has to say.

00:22:08.000 Apparently, according to Politico and sources around the president, he's actually tempted to support more in spite of all of this, which would not be surprising given what we know of President Trump's proclivities in terms of bucking the so-called establishment.

00:22:20.000 Turning this into an establishment versus anti-establishment fight versus a don't support people who

00:22:26.000 I don't know.

00:22:37.000 That everyone who doesn't support Roy Moore is basically a cuck establishmentarian who is willing to back down from the Clintons.

00:22:43.000 And everybody who's willing to fight is willing to stand with Roy Moore because the left is just so evil and just so bad. 0.97

00:22:49.000 You're a wimp if you don't stand with Roy Moore.

00:22:52.000 So you can see this from Moore's coordinator in Alabama calling all of the Republicans lightweights who are saying that he should step down. 0.88

00:22:59.000 You're telling the voters of Alabama, if you choose your senator, that we are going to try to nullify your vote, therefore you don't have constitutional right to vote in Alabama, because we are going to work our best to nullify your vote if you vote for Roy Moore.

00:23:14.000 That's the message I get from that.

00:23:16.000 I don't know how you perceive that, but to say if the voters of Alabama vote for Roy Moore, you're all wrong.

00:23:22.000 And I know more than you do.

00:23:23.000 Us Republican senators know more than you do.

00:23:27.000 And we're going to nullify your vote through some kind of mechanism in the rules of the Senate.

00:23:34.000 That's what we have from Senator Cory Gardner.

00:23:36.000 That's kind of a breach of the Constitution that I don't think folks in Alabama will rest well with.

00:23:40.000 Okay, so this is what it's going to turn into now.

00:23:42.000 Now it's going to turn into, they're going to try to turn this into a battle between establishment and non-establishment over an issue that really has nothing to do with the establishment or non-establishment.

00:23:49.000 Right?

00:23:50.000 Good moral people should look at allegations and see whether they are credible or not.

00:23:53.000 And the left has ignored this for 25 years and the right is beginning to ignore it now in response to the left.

00:23:58.000 Like, Sean Trent from RealClearPolitics basically sums this up incredibly well.

00:24:02.000 He says, if you don't understand the logic as to why so many of these people seem to be okay with what's going on with Roy Moore, why so many people seem to be backing away from all of this, you have to understand that this is all born of the Clinton years.

00:24:14.000 He sums it up really well.

00:24:16.000 He says, I don't think you can underestimate the degree to which many conservatives have this attitude.

00:24:19.000 A, we fought a battle over whether character counts and got our asses handed to us, and B, liberal leaders always circle the wagons around their guys and ours always cave.

00:24:28.000 I think that's exactly right.

00:24:28.000 I think it's the logic a lot of people on the right are using.

00:24:30.000 I think it's an immoral logic.

00:24:31.000 I think that the left did not actually win that battle.

00:24:34.000 I think the reason George W. Bush was elected president is because the left didn't win that battle.

00:24:37.000 But I think that there are a lot of people on the right who believe that, and so they're going to continue down this path where only the real fighters are willing to stand up for child rapists or alleged child rapists.

00:24:47.000 Okay, I'm going to continue along these lines and talk about whether this kind of misconception inside the Republican Party

00:24:54.000 That being a policy hard-ass and being willing to go along with disgusting people are tied together because there seems to be this misconception that I think needs to be separated out.

00:25:02.000 But I'm going to talk about that in just a second.

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00:26:15.000 Okay, so,

00:26:43.000 If you go back and you don't elect anyone who's ever done anything wrong,

00:27:10.000 Um, you know, we wouldn't have had Barack Obama.

00:27:12.000 I think he did cocaine.

00:27:14.000 Um, Bill Clinton supposedly smoked marijuana.

00:27:18.000 Okay, what?

00:27:20.000 Okay, so again, this sort of whataboutism is not good.

00:27:24.000 But the left did it, and so does the right, and it's really not a positive development.

00:27:28.000 And I think, again, that it's being tied to attitude.

00:27:30.000 So why do I think that Trump is tempted not to throw Roy Moore under the bus?

00:27:33.000 I think the reason he's tempted not to throw Roy Moore under the bus is it seems like the people who are most ardent about throwing Roy Moore under the bus are also the people who are anti-Tea Party and people who are anti-Trump.

00:27:42.000 You know, the Jeff Flakes of the world.

00:27:43.000 Jeff Flakes said he'd support a Democrat before he supported Roy Moore.

00:27:46.000 No, the proper answer is you would support a write-in candidate before you would support Roy Moore or you would abstain from voting.

00:27:51.000 That's the proper answer.

00:27:53.000 Cory Gardner said, if Roy Moore wins, he should vote to be expelled.

00:27:57.000 The Senate should vote to expel him.

00:27:58.000 But the lead political figures who have been speaking out on this are the so-called cuck people, right? 0.99

00:28:03.000 The people who are weak-kneed.

00:28:04.000 There's been this tie.

00:28:05.000 You have to understand, the entire Trump movement is not built on policy.

00:28:08.000 It is built on attitude.

00:28:09.000 And the attitude is always F you to the left.

00:28:11.000 Okay, that's always the attitude.

00:28:12.000 The attitude is a giant middle finger.

00:28:14.000 And so in this situation,

00:28:16.000 You can't say F you to the left when the bad guy is in your own party.

00:28:20.000 If you believe the allegations against Roy Moore, there's no F you to the left here.

00:28:23.000 There's just F you to Roy Moore.

00:28:25.000 Right?

00:28:25.000 Because you don't like people who allegedly, credibly molest 16 and 14 year olds.

00:28:30.000 Right?

00:28:30.000 That doesn't seem like an F you to the left as much as immorality is bad even when the left benefits.

00:28:36.000 or could benefit.

00:28:37.000 I mean, the fact is the left is benefiting right now.

00:28:39.000 He's not running 11 points up in Alabama.

00:28:41.000 He's running dead even.

00:28:42.000 The Cook Political Report just moved Alabama, a Senate race, in which no senator has been elected a Democrat from Alabama since, I believe, 1994.

00:28:49.000 It's been a long time.

00:28:51.000 And they just moved this race to toss-up status.

00:28:53.000 That is because of Roy Moore, not because of folks like me.

00:28:55.000 In any case, the people who are speaking up most strongly have been people who are already politically opposed to Moore, right?

00:29:00.000 So it's people like Mitch McConnell and Jeb Bush.

00:29:02.000 Now, I said I was very discomfited with a lot of things about Roy Moore.

00:29:06.000 I believe the woman, yes.

00:29:29.000 And then, Jeb Bush came forward and he said the same thing.

00:29:32.000 He said that Moore should step aside for decency.

00:29:36.000 We saw the comments from Senator Mitch McConnell about Roy Moore saying he needs to step aside.

00:29:40.000 Would you agree with that?

00:29:41.000 I would.

00:29:42.000 I would.

00:29:42.000 Because this is not a question of innocence or guilt like in a criminal proceeding.

00:29:47.000 This is a question of what's right and what's wrong.

00:29:50.000 And acknowledging that you're dating teenagers when you're 32 years old as an assistant state attorney is wrong.

00:29:57.000 It's just plain wrong.

00:29:59.000 Do you think with 27 or so days left that if the GOP were, if Mr. Moore were to step aside, that they would have the time to be competitive in that Senate race?

00:30:07.000 I think so.

00:30:08.000 But more importantly, we need to stand for basic principles and decency has to be one of those.

00:30:13.000 And again, the problem here is that there are so many people on the right who now respond to the tone and tenor more than they respond to the information.

00:30:19.000 The real question here is, is Roy Moore credibly alleged to have done these things?

00:30:23.000 Do you think he's guilty or do you think he's not?

00:30:25.000 And if the only people who are out there speaking on this are people like McConnell and Bush, this turns into a proxy fight about attitude as opposed to what it should be about.

00:30:34.000 This is my biggest problem with politics in the modern age.

00:30:37.000 Politics in the modern age seems to be almost entirely about the attitudes that we attribute to the other side as opposed to the facts on the ground.

00:30:43.000 I don't care what's in Jeb Bush's head.

00:30:45.000 I don't care whether he hates Roy Moore because Roy Moore is too fundamentalist.

00:30:49.000 I don't care whether Mitch McConnell doesn't like Roy Moore because he feels that he'd be a hassle in the Senate.

00:30:53.000 The question to me is whether Roy Moore should sit in the Senate if he did these things, and it appears that he did.

00:30:59.000 That's the question.

00:31:00.000 But instead, we don't want to answer the question.

00:31:02.000 So when you don't want to answer a political question, there's an easy way to avoid answering a political question.

00:31:06.000 This is true on both sides.

00:31:07.000 You saw it in that Michelle Goldberg column, and you're seeing it now from people who are supporting Roy Moore.

00:31:11.000 The question is, I don't want to answer a very simple question.

00:31:16.000 Are these allegations credible?

00:31:17.000 If they are, should he be in the Senate?

00:31:18.000 I don't want to answer that question.

00:31:19.000 So instead what I do is I say, the motivations of the people targeting Roy Moore are questionable to me.

00:31:25.000 The motivations, right?

00:31:26.000 You go to motivation.

00:31:27.000 That's what Michelle Goldberg does too. 1.00

00:31:28.000 Instead of saying, were the allegations of Juanita Broderick credible 25 years ago?

00:31:32.000 She says, right, but the motivations of the people leveraging those allegations were not credible.

00:31:37.000 If we just go after each other's motivations, and we just attribute to one another motivations, without any evidence, because it's convenient for us to do so, that's how bad things happen, folks.

00:31:46.000 That's how bad people get elected.

00:31:48.000 That's how Bill Clinton ends up President.

00:31:49.000 That's how Roy Moore, despite credible allegations, ends up in the Senate.

00:31:53.000 If we just sit around, accusing each other of bad motivations, instead of making independent moral judgments for ourselves, it absolves you of independent moral judgment, when you can just blame the other guy for his motives.

00:32:03.000 Right?

00:32:04.000 It's one of the most disgusting things I think about human beings, just about human nature.

00:32:08.000 It's something that we ought to fight.

00:32:09.000 You know, if somebody does something that you think, if there's an absolute moral question, is it wrong to steal?

00:32:18.000 And then, instead of answering the question, is it wrong to steal?

00:32:21.000 You say, yes, but the motivations of the people condemning thievery are really suspect.

00:32:25.000 They're religious fundamentalists, and I don't like that.

00:32:28.000 then you're just avoiding answering the question.

00:32:30.000 You're justifying your own immorality by attributing motives to somebody who you don't even know.

00:32:35.000 And that's what I see happening so much.

00:32:36.000 And so what this has resulted in is an unconscious connection for many people on both sides of the political aisle between being radical on politics, being anti-establishment on politics, and being willing to go along with bad guys.

00:32:52.000 Because if you're willing to go along with bad guys, that just shows that you're hard-nosed enough to know that your opponents are really nasty people who must be defeated by any means.

00:33:01.000 If you're hard-nosed enough on POTSC, if you know the country's really in trouble, then you know that the left has bad motivations in going after Roy Moore, and therefore it doesn't matter.

00:33:08.000 You don't have to answer the question as to whether Roy Moore is guilty or not.

00:33:12.000 This is a moral cop-out.

00:33:13.000 It is a moral cop-out, and people who are engaging in it should acknowledge that they are engaging in a moral cop-out.

00:33:17.000 I'm not a Jeff Flake fan.

00:33:19.000 I'm not a fan of Jeb Bush.

00:33:20.000 I would not have voted for him in the primary, and I didn't.

00:33:22.000 I'm not a fan of Mitch McConnell.

00:33:24.000 That does not change the basic question.

00:33:27.000 Did Roy Moore do it?

00:33:28.000 Unless you can show why you don't believe that he did it.

00:33:31.000 Uh, credibly, then I don't know why you would support Roy Moore in this race, particularly when there's still time.

00:33:36.000 And this, by the way, is an area, and I've talked, I've been critical of President Trump intervening in particular races.

00:33:41.000 I felt that he hasn't done enough in some cases, or that he's overstepped his boundaries in others.

00:33:45.000 This could be an area where Trump really demonstrates some leadership.

00:33:48.000 What Trump needs to do with Roy Moore right now is President Trump needs to come out and he needs to say, listen,

00:33:53.000 I didn't endorse Roy Moore in the beginning. 0.98

00:33:54.000 I didn't endorse him because I thought he was a loser. 0.99

00:33:56.000 It turns out that these allegations, they kind of look like he's a loser. 0.99

00:34:00.000 You shouldn't vote for Roy Moore. 0.82

00:34:01.000 Everybody should write in Jeff Sessions, right?

00:34:03.000 You should tell his attorney general, run for your old seat.

00:34:05.000 He doesn't like Jeff Sessions anyway.

00:34:07.000 He hates Jeff Sessions.

00:34:08.000 So you could kill two birds with one stone.

00:34:10.000 He should say, everyone should go out and vote for Jeff Sessions tomorrow in the Alabama State Senate.

00:34:14.000 The other thing that could happen, right, the other thing that could be very easy to do is, I believe the other senator from Alabama is Richard Burr, if I'm not mistaken.

00:34:20.000 So you could say to Richard Burr, I want you to drop out of your Senate seat right now and run for the open Senate seat in a write-in campaign, and then we'll have another special election that doesn't involve Roy Moore for your Senate seat.

00:34:30.000 This is the Ari Fleischer solution.

00:34:31.000 There are a couple of solutions that are still on the table, but the longer Trump dilly-dallies around, the longer Trump refuses to say anything, and if he just comes out and he says, listen,

00:34:40.000 I think Roy Moore should step down, but that's all I've got to say on the matter.

00:34:42.000 He's going to need to do more than that.

00:34:43.000 He needs to rally his base to vote for someone who is not Roy Moore, because otherwise you're going to end up with a split vote.

00:34:48.000 And as much as people in Alabama, there's a base of people who like Roy Moore and have allegiance to Roy Moore, many more people in Alabama have allegiance to Donald Trump than have allegiance to Roy Moore.

00:34:57.000 This is one area where Trump really could make an outsized difference in the wake of allegations like this.

00:35:03.000 He wasn't able to arrange people behind Luther Strange, and I don't think he should try to at this point, but I do think that he should stop, I do think that he should leverage his capacity to try and replace Roy Moore with somebody who is more palatable.

00:35:18.000 What I don't think that he should do is continue along the lines laid out by Representative Mo Brooks, the David Horowitz line.

00:35:23.000 Even if he did it, I'll be voting for Roy Moore.

00:35:25.000 Here's Mo Brooks making exactly that case. 1.00

00:35:27.000 He says,

00:35:39.000 Socialist Democrat Doug Jones will vote wrong.

00:35:41.000 Roy Moore will vote right.

00:35:42.000 Hence, I will vote for Roy Moore.

00:35:43.000 Okay, that's the delegate model of representation. 0.98

00:35:45.000 Vote for a person who may rape children so long as he votes right on the issues.

00:35:51.000 I think that Trump needs to fight against this. 0.94

00:35:53.000 But, you know, I have my doubt the character will ever...

00:35:57.000 We may have reached the breaking point for character in American life, where we've just decided that character legitimately doesn't matter in American life anymore, and that would be a very, very sad point.

00:36:04.000 Okay, I want to get to what I think is a giant nothing burger about Donald Trump Jr.

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00:37:31.000 Okay, so, meanwhile, uh, the media are completely, uh, off the rails about this new report that suggests that Donald Trump Jr.

00:37:39.000 was messaging with WikiLeaks.

00:37:41.000 I don't think there's a lot here.

00:37:42.000 I really don't think that there's very much here at all.

00:37:44.000 You can see that CNN was going nuts over this.

00:37:48.000 They were suggesting that this just demonstrates that active collusion took place.

00:37:52.000 No, and I will explain in just a moment.

00:37:55.000 According to new reporting in The Atlantic magazine, three full weeks before running mate Mike Pence denied the campaign was, quote, in cahoots with Wikileaks, Donald Trump Jr.

00:38:04.000 was absolutely in touch with, you guessed it, Wikileaks.

00:38:07.000 Wikileaks, you'll recall, was the organization the U.S.

00:38:09.000 intelligence community believes was chosen by the Kremlin to spread hacked information damaging the Hillary Clinton and the Democrats.

00:38:15.000 What is so fascinating is how the communications, in the form of Twitter direct messages, mesh with certain points on the campaign timeline that we already know quite well.

00:38:24.000 For instance, October 2nd, Trump friend and former advisor Roger Stone tweets that damaging material is coming from WikiLeaks.

00:38:30.000 The next day, October 3rd, Trump Jr.

00:38:32.000 messages them, asks them, what's coming?

00:38:35.000 On the 5th, Stone says there is a payload coming from WikiLeaks.

00:38:39.000 On the 7th, the U.S.

00:38:40.000 intelligence community says it believes Russia was behind the DNC hacks, and WikiLeaks begins releasing the hacked DNC Podesta emails.

00:38:47.000 A month later, the 12th of October, WikiLeaks messages Trump Jr.

00:38:51.000 asking him to link to one of their items.

00:38:53.000 Two days later, he tweets it out.

00:38:55.000 And on that same day, the 14th, Mike Pence denies any collusion with WikiLeaks.

00:39:00.000 It is, to say at the least, fascinating.

00:39:03.000 Okay, so this idea that there was some sort of deep-seated collusion going on, unfortunately, the record sort of belies this.

00:39:10.000 So, according to The Atlantic, according to a source familiar with the congressional investigations into Russian interference with the 2016 campaign, who requested anonymity because the investigation is ongoing,

00:39:19.000 We're good to go.

00:39:37.000 Okay, does this show deep-seated collusion?

00:39:40.000 Does this show deep-seated collusion?

00:39:41.000 I will explain why not in just a moment.

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00:41:23.000 Okay, so why is it that this Donald Trump Jr.

00:41:26.000 Russian operative story doesn't really work?

00:41:28.000 First of all, we already knew that Donald Trump Jr.

00:41:30.000 was happy to work with WikiLeaks.

00:41:32.000 Okay, we already knew that Donald Trump Jr.

00:41:33.000 and the Trump campaign were happy to reach out to the Russian government.

00:41:36.000 We know that because Donald Trump Jr.

00:41:38.000 basically admitted that.

00:41:39.000 Does that mean the collusion actually took place?

00:41:40.000 Um, no.

00:41:40.000 Okay, so...

00:41:56.000 Here is the actual correspondence.

00:41:57.000 That was the end of it.

00:42:13.000 On October 14th, 2016, Trump Jr.

00:42:15.000 tweeted out a link from WikiLeaks that they had sent him via direct message.

00:42:19.000 He probably would have.

00:42:19.000 Anyway, the rest of the correspondence is WikiLeaks asking for stuff from Trump, and Trump refusing to even respond.

00:42:24.000 They asked for Trump's tax returns, and Trump Jr.

00:42:27.000 did not even respond to that.

00:42:29.000 Is this earth-shattering stuff?

00:42:30.000 Does this demonstrate full-scale collusion that tipped the election to Hillary Clinton?

00:42:34.000 No, of course not.

00:42:35.000 That's not what it demonstrates at all.

00:42:36.000 It demonstrates, again, willingness, but we know about the willingness, so nothing has actually changed here.

00:42:41.000 Nothing has actually changed in any serious way.

00:42:43.000 So, yeah, I'm not sure why this is such a, it seems like a giant nothing burger to me, to be quite frank.

00:42:48.000 Okay, time for some things I like, things I hate, and then we'll deconstruct the culture.

00:42:52.000 So, things that I like.

00:42:54.000 When I first, there are very few movies where I try watching them once, I hate them, and then I go back later and I re-watch them and I really like them.

00:43:02.000 In fact, this may be the only movie like that that I can think of.

00:43:04.000 So, a few years back, I tried watching The Assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford, and I thought, man, this thing is just slow.

00:43:13.000 I mean, it is.

00:43:14.000 It is a slow movie.

00:43:14.000 There's no question.

00:43:15.000 It is a slow movie, and there's a narrator, which I generally don't like in films, and I watched it again this week.

00:43:23.000 I had only gotten through, I think, the first half an hour the first time.

00:43:26.000 I got through the entire movie this time.

00:43:27.000 It did take me two days, but I did get through the entire movie.

00:43:31.000 It is free from Amazon Prime, I believe.

00:43:33.000 And it is actually not just a good movie, it's a very good movie.

00:43:37.000 It's a beautifully shot movie.

00:43:39.000 Brad Pitt, who cannot act, is quite good in this.

00:43:42.000 Casey Affleck was nominated for Best Supporting Actor. 0.99

00:43:45.000 Now, he may be an utter scumbag as a human being. 0.98

00:43:48.000 There are all these allegations about him mistreating Lemon. 0.99

00:43:50.000 But he is a terrific actor.

00:43:51.000 Talent falls on the good and the evil alike.

00:43:54.000 He is a really first-rate actor.

00:43:56.000 And his performance as Robert Ford in this is really quite good and quite tragic.

00:44:01.000 It is a very complex story about why Jesse James is sort of worshipped by the American public, even though Jesse James is really a terrible person.

00:44:09.000 But even Jesse James is a shaded character.

00:44:11.000 It's really, really interesting, and it's got so many great character actors.

00:44:15.000 The cast of this thing is really fantastic.

00:44:18.000 I was looking at the cast the other day.

00:44:21.000 I'm trying to remember who else is in this.

00:44:26.000 Mary Louise Parker plays Brad Pitt's wife.

00:44:28.000 She sort of has a bit part. 0.98

00:44:30.000 Casey Affleck.

00:44:31.000 Sam Rockwell plays Charlie Ford, who's Robert Ford's brother.

00:44:34.000 Jeremy Renner is in it, playing Wood Hite, before Jeremy Renner was anything big.

00:44:38.000 Sam Shepard plays Frank James, and he's terrific.

00:44:41.000 Garrett Dillahunt, who's really one of the underrated character actors of our time.

00:44:45.000 He also plays two parts on Deadwood.

00:44:47.000 He's in it.

00:44:47.000 Paul Schneider plays Dick Little, and he is terrific in it.

00:44:50.000 So there's really great character actors, and the movie itself is really, I think, quite good, and demonstrates that good and evil have shades to them.

00:45:00.000 So, good movie, really worth a watch.

00:45:03.000 Okay.

00:45:04.000 Okay, time for a thing that I hate.

00:45:09.000 Okay, so, the left has decided that a guy named Brett Talley should certainly not sit on a federal court in Alabama.

00:45:17.000 Now, I have some objections to this simply because I know Brett.

00:45:20.000 So, Brett and I are friends.

00:45:22.000 We were friends at Harvard Law School, and the idea that what they're trying to

00:45:26.000 What they're trying to do to him is basically bring a bunch of random information and suggest that it is indicative of a crazy guy.

00:45:34.000 Okay, that is not true.

00:45:34.000 Brett is a very down-to-earth, solid, conservative, constitutional conservative.

00:45:39.000 We were classmates at Harvard Law School.

00:45:40.000 We were in Federalist Society together.

00:45:42.000 Here is his record.

00:45:43.000 Because they're saying he's never actually tried a case.

00:45:45.000 He's never tried a case.

00:45:46.000 Okay, first of all, transactional lawyers don't always try cases, right?

00:45:50.000 There are many transactional lawyers who are judges and never tried a case.

00:45:53.000 That's number one.

00:45:54.000 Number two, clerking for judges is a credential for becoming a judge.

00:45:59.000 You don't have to be a trial lawyer in order for you to sit on a court. 1.00

00:46:01.000 That's a stupid criticism. 0.99

00:46:03.000 Early in his career, he was an associate at Gibson Dunn Crutcher, which is one of the top law firms in the country. 1.00

00:46:06.000 He was a law clerk to Joel Dubina on the U.S.

00:46:09.000 Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit.

00:46:11.000 He was a law clerk to Judge Scott Kugler of the Northern District of Alabama.

00:46:16.000 He works for the DOJ.

00:46:18.000 He went to Harvard Law School.

00:46:19.000 He was the articles editor for the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, which is sort of the conservative journal over there.

00:46:24.000 He was a speechwriter for Rob Portman and a senior writer for Mitt Romney's presidential campaign.

00:46:28.000 And he's published—well, what the left is now jumping on is they're saying, well, he was a member of a true ghost-hunting committee.

00:46:35.000 He writes ghost stories.

00:46:36.000 Like, he's been nominated for the Bram Stoker Award.

00:46:39.000 He writes horror novels, which is actually kind of cool.

00:46:42.000 But I guess we're supposed to crap all over him because he's an interesting guy.

00:46:45.000 Now they're suggesting that he's not qualified because he has never tried a case.

00:46:49.000 And the ABA, of course, rated him not qualified to be on the federal judiciary.

00:46:53.000 They have also rated a bunch of conservative people not qualified.

00:46:57.000 He, quote-unquote, displayed a degree of partisanship unusual for a judicial nominee on his blog.

00:47:03.000 He denounced Hillary Clinton as Hillary Rotten Clinton.

00:47:05.000 So I guess that if you oppose Hillary Clinton and think that she's rotten, you're no longer qualified to sit on a federal court.

00:47:09.000 Instead, you have to pretend that she's wonderful.

00:47:11.000 And he expressed support for the NRA.

00:47:13.000 Oh, no.

00:47:14.000 Oh, no.

00:47:15.000 No other judges have ever supported the NRA, I am sure. 0.99

00:47:19.000 Just asinine. 0.87

00:47:20.000 You know, the idea that you can't have political opinions and sit on a federal court has always been an issue for me. 0.95

00:47:25.000 Because it only applies to one side of the political aisle.

00:47:27.000 Ruth Bader Ginsburg can work for now for years. 1.00

00:47:31.000 And that's totally fine.

00:47:32.000 You know, she can give speeches on a routine basis excoriating the right and excoriating Trump, and that's cool.

00:47:37.000 But Brett Talley, he commented on a blog about politics.

00:47:40.000 That means that he can't be a judge.

00:47:42.000 They're also saying, you know, how dare he fail to disclose that he was married to Ann Donaldson, who's the chief of staff to the White House counsel, Don McGahn, saying that that is a conflict of interest.

00:47:53.000 Talley didn't mention his wife when describing his contact with lawyers for the White House.

00:47:57.000 Yes, I'm sure he was trying to, I'm sure he was trying to hide that.

00:48:00.000 I'm sure he really thought he was going to get away with his wife works for the government. 0.57

00:48:04.000 Again, the idea that it's an oversight seems slightly more palatable to me, but it just demonstrates that we do this routine now that's really, really dumb and really irritating, where we pretend that judges have no political proclivities whatsoever.

00:48:16.000 The question is, will he make a good judge?

00:48:18.000 I know Brett.

00:48:19.000 I know his constitutional philosophy.

00:48:20.000 He will make a better judge than any of the people on the left who are currently sitting on the Supreme Court of the United States.

00:48:25.000 So, you know, this is a wild overreach on the part of the left, but that's nothing new.

00:48:30.000 Okay.

00:48:31.000 Last week I didn't deconstruct the culture, so I'm going to do a very, very brief deconstruction of the culture this week.

00:48:35.000 I know a lot of people were excited about me deconstructing the song Rockstar by Post Malone.

00:48:40.000 So Post Malone is a white guy who does sort of rap reggae.

00:48:43.000 I guess he follows me on Twitter, so thanks for following, Post.

00:48:46.000 But here is a bit of his song Rockstar.

00:48:54.000 We're good to go.

00:49:14.000 Okay, so this is pretty typical kind of rap.

00:49:24.000 It's sort of reggae-slash-rap.

00:49:26.000 So the lyrics to this thing are all about effing hoes and popping pillies. 1.00

00:49:29.000 Man, I feel like a rock star.

00:49:30.000 My brother's got that gas.

00:49:31.000 They always be smoking like a rasta.

00:49:33.000 Effing with me, call up on an Uzi and show up. 0.99

00:49:35.000 Man them shotas. 1.00

00:49:36.000 I assume that's shotguns.

00:49:37.000 When my homies pull up on your block, they make that thing go gratatata.

00:49:40.000 Okay, so.

00:49:41.000 This is not my favorite stuff, as you know.

00:49:44.000 And whenever I analyze rap genre, rap and R&B genre, very often it's to critique this particular aspect of the culture.

00:49:53.000 The glorification of drugs and violence and effing hoes. 1.00

00:49:58.000 It's amazing that an entire genre of music is allowed to talk about women this way, and meanwhile we're supposed to pretend that it's okay.

00:50:07.000 Well, we've decided as a society this kind of stuff is not to be said about women, except if you're recording these kinds of songs. 0.99

00:50:12.000 But what is the left upset about?

00:50:13.000 Are they upset about the content of this?

00:50:15.000 Are they upset about the drugs and the effing hoes and the shooting people stuff? 1.00

00:50:20.000 No, they're not upset about any of this.

00:50:21.000 What they are upset about is cultural appropriation.

00:50:24.000 Because you see, Post Malone is white. 0.68

00:50:27.000 This is from the LA Times, circa December. 0.80

00:50:29.000 He's a white culture vulture, cynically appropriating African-American culture. 0.62

00:50:33.000 He's received more attention than his meager talent deserves. 0.87

00:50:35.000 He's a rich kid whose parents essentially paid his way into music.

00:50:38.000 He says, there's a thing that says they bought 50,000 of my songs on iTunes.

00:50:42.000 Apparently his hit single is White Iverson.

00:50:44.000 He says, my dad's not a baller.

00:50:45.000 I have no idea where he'd get the money for that.

00:50:47.000 What I find interesting about the left is that they're very upset about the cultural appropriation that Post Malone is apparently engaging in by taking tropes from rap and using them being a white guy from an upper middle class background, I suppose.

00:50:59.000 Here is my problem with that.

00:51:01.000 I too am upset with cultural appropriation of bad things in culture.

00:51:06.000 I don't think anyone should be appropriating things about effing hoes and blowing people away. 1.00

00:51:11.000 So Post Malone may be very talented, but to critique him on the basis of cultural appropriation is an astonishing thing.

00:51:18.000 So the problem here is that if you were black, it would be okay, but he's white, so it's not okay for him to say these things?

00:51:23.000 One of the problems with rap culture is that these things are present in the first place. 0.96

00:51:27.000 If you want to correct this, if you don't want people culturally appropriating garbage, maybe you shouldn't make garbage for people to culturally appropriate.

00:51:33.000 How about we start with that? 0.98

00:51:33.000 The problem here is not that Post Malone is white. 0.98

00:51:35.000 The problem is that the message that he's promoting in this song is the same as the message that's promoted throughout the rap community, and apparently, without which you cannot rise to the top of the R&B rap charts.

00:51:45.000 Okay, that's the problem here.

00:51:47.000 So, you know, I wish that he would use his talents to promote better messaging, and if he's gonna culturally appropriate, you know, appropriate the musical stylings if you wish, but please, don't culturally appropriate the worst aspects of a rap culture that glorifies stuff like this.

00:52:00.000 It doesn't make it okay.

00:52:01.000 Okay, so we'll be back here tomorrow.

00:52:04.000 With lots more, I'm sure, on the political scene.

00:52:06.000 We'll be broadcasting from New York tomorrow.

00:52:08.000 I'm going to be on Fox & Friends Live tomorrow.

00:52:10.000 I'm also going to be the one lucky gentleman on Outnumbered tomorrow.

00:52:14.000 So I will see you live from New York tomorrow.

00:52:17.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:52:17.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

The Ben Shapiro Show - November 14, 2017

Moore Comes Unmoored | Ep. 417

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