The Ben Shapiro Show - The Bernie Moment | Ep. 931

00:00:00.000 We bid a fond farewell to Cory Booker.

00:00:02.000 Elizabeth Warren drops an anvil on Bernie Sanders' hand.

00:00:04.000 We examine Bernie's political history.

00:00:06.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

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00:00:21.000 All righty, tonight is the very last Democratic debate until the next Democratic debate, but it is the last one until Iowa.

00:00:27.000 And right now, Joe Biden is the man who is apparently in the lead in Iowa, according to a Monmouth University poll released on Monday.

00:00:36.000 According to Bloomberg, Biden is on top in Iowa as more voters say they have firmly decided on their choice.

00:00:41.000 Biden is currently ahead with 24 percent support, up five points from the same poll in November.

00:00:46.000 Bernie Sanders is in second place with 18 percent, virtually tied with Pete Buttigieg at 17 and with Elizabeth Warren at 15.

00:00:52.000 Biden has been at the top of most Iowa polls, though Sanders has had the lead in a Des Moines Register CNN MediaCom poll released on Friday with 20%.

00:00:58.000 Biden was fourth in that poll with 15% support.

00:01:01.000 The Monmouth poll is notable because 43% of respondents said they are firmly decided on their top choice.

00:01:06.000 As people are firming up their choices.

00:01:06.000 That is up from 28% in November.

00:01:09.000 They are finally settling on Joe Biden.

00:01:11.000 I've said for a while here that Joe Biden feels a lot like Mitt Romney in 2012.

00:01:16.000 In 2012, Mitt Romney was the presumptive Republican nominee when he jumped into the race.

00:01:20.000 He had, of course, come in second to John McCain in 2008.

00:01:22.000 And then over the course of the race, people fell out of love with Mitt Romney over and over and over.

00:01:27.000 Everybody got a chance at the top of that wheel of fortune.

00:01:30.000 Every single person, Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, everybody got a chance in 2012.

00:01:34.000 And then finally, everybody kind of went, OK, I guess we'll give it to Romney.

00:01:37.000 It seems like that may be happening with Joe Biden.

00:01:40.000 In recent weeks, Biden has sought to revive a flagging operation in Iowa, spending more time in the state and outlaying more on online and TV ads ahead of the February 3rd caucus.

00:01:49.000 Biden's frontrunner status in this poll could cause him to come under fire from his rivals on Tuesday as six Democratic candidates meet in Des Moines for the final debate before the caucuses, along with Warren Sanders and Buttigieg.

00:01:58.000 He faces Minnesota Senator Amy Klobuchar, And billionaire activist Tom Steyer.

00:02:02.000 Steyer is showing some signs of life in the early states after a huge amount of spending.

00:02:06.000 Amy Klobuchar has never been able to really catch fire.

00:02:09.000 The poll also revealed more about who voters would support as a second choice, according to Bloomberg.

00:02:14.000 Under Iowa caucus rules, supporters of candidates who don't receive at least 15% on the first round actually have to switch to a viable candidate so the second picks of supporters could prove important.

00:02:22.000 So let's say that 8% of people vote for Tom Steyer.

00:02:26.000 Well, now they have to switch.

00:02:27.000 Who are they going to switch to?

00:02:28.000 Warren leads for second choice.

00:02:30.000 23% said they would pick her if their first choice did not make the cut.

00:02:32.000 Up from 17% in November, Buttigieg was virtually tied with Sanders at 15 and 14% respectively.

00:02:38.000 Biden was the second choice of only 10%.

00:02:40.000 In other words, it seems as though everybody who is voting for Biden, he is their first choice.

00:02:45.000 There are not a lot of people who are thinking, okay, well, if Warren falls out, I'm moving over to Biden.

00:02:48.000 If Warren drops out, then probably that goes to Sanders.

00:02:51.000 If Sanders drops out, that goes to Warren.

00:02:52.000 If Buttigieg drops out, that probably breaks between all the various candidates.

00:02:56.000 But When pollsters asked likely caucus goers who they would pick if the only viable candidates in their caucus site were in the top four, Biden sat at 28%, Buttigieg at 25%, Sanders at 24%, Warren at 16%.

00:03:08.000 And one person who will not be taking part in the Iowa caucuses is, of course, Cory Booker, to whom we bid a fond farewell.

00:03:14.000 We say goodbye to Mr. Potato Head.

00:03:16.000 Cory Booker, there were good times.

00:03:17.000 There were bad times.

00:03:19.000 Mostly, there were potato times.

00:03:21.000 Cory Booker would go around popping those angry eyes, blink deliberately, and then tell you.

00:03:26.000 How seriously he took everything in the world.

00:03:29.000 Well, he released a video explaining that he was very sad to drop out.

00:03:32.000 This, of course, has prompted the usual spasms of apoplexy from all of the people in the media who are now firmly convinced that Democrats are racist again.

00:03:40.000 This part I like.

00:03:41.000 I will say that I am enjoying.

00:03:43.000 The perpetual revolution promised by the intersectional advocates.

00:03:47.000 The way this works is that if Democrats elect a black president twice, if they nominate a black guy with no actual record over Hillary Clinton in 2008, and then he becomes president and then they do it again in 2012, That doesn't matter anymore. 0.98

00:04:00.000 As long as you're not nominating a black guy this time, that means that you're a racist. 0.91

00:04:03.000 It's sort of how the Oscars work also.

00:04:05.000 It doesn't matter that Lupita Nyong'o actually won an Oscar for 12 Years a Slave in 2014.

00:04:10.000 She wasn't nominated this year.

00:04:11.000 That means that the Academy is racist.

00:04:12.000 It doesn't matter that Greta Gerwig was nominated At the 2018 Oscars for Lady Bird, she wasn't nominated for Little Women.

00:04:18.000 That means the Academy is sexist.

00:04:19.000 Well, it's the same thing inside the Democratic Party.

00:04:21.000 Cory Booker ain't on the stage.

00:04:22.000 Kamala Harris ain't on the stage. 0.54

00:04:24.000 That means, of course, that the Democratic Party is racist, and I am here for it, straight into my veins.

00:04:29.000 Here is Cory Booker announcing that his candidacy is over.

00:04:32.000 I will say that the music in this farewell video does not really match the moment.

00:04:36.000 It really sounds as though it's an ad for some sort of tractor company, but here is Cory Booker.

00:04:42.000 I'm suspending my campaign for president with the same spirit with which it began.

00:04:47.000 It is my faith in us.

00:04:49.000 My faith in us together as a nation.

00:04:51.000 That we share common pain and common problems that can only be solved With a common purpose and a sense of common cause.

00:05:01.000 So now I recommit myself to the work.

00:05:04.000 I can't wait to get back on the campaign trail and campaign as hard as I can for whoever is the eventual nominee and for candidates up and down the ballot.

00:05:15.000 Aww, that's so sad.

00:05:16.000 I mean, what's Rosario Dawson gonna do now?

00:05:18.000 She had this whole big campaign to her plan, and now I guess she's just gonna have to go back and be like a fringe character on Daredevils. 1.00

00:05:24.000 That's kind of sad.

00:05:25.000 Well, we bid a fond farewell again to Mr. Potato Head, and we hope that he always keeps with him his anger.

00:05:31.000 In a second, we'll get to the democratic debate itself.

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00:06:50.000 Okay, so as I say, the media are very upset now that Cory Booker is out.

00:07:00.000 They didn't care about him when he was running, but now they're very upset about it.

00:07:02.000 Yamiche Alcindor, commenting on MSNBC, she suggested, of course, that now it's an all-white Democratic debate. 0.98

00:07:08.000 These racist, racist Democrats who are all white. 0.99

00:07:11.000 So white. 0.99

00:07:13.000 Now, what's weird about that is the notion that minority voters only vote for minority candidates, which, of course, is untrue.

00:07:19.000 If you look at the Democratic caucuses, one of the big problems for Cory Booker and Kamala Harris is that black voters have overwhelmingly resonated to Joe Biden, who's about as white as white can be.

00:07:27.000 But the idea here is that Democratic voters overall are racist if they didn't somehow prop up a candidate of color into the final Sort of.

00:07:36.000 Four.

00:07:37.000 Here is Yamiche Alcindor, PBS NewsHour White House Correspondent, talking about how this is an all-white debate, and expect to hear a lot of that today.

00:07:44.000 Now that Cory Booker is out, you really have one African-American contender left.

00:07:48.000 That's Deval Patrick.

00:07:49.000 And then you have Andrew Yang, both of which have not qualified for the next debate.

00:07:54.000 So the next debate at this point is going to be an overwhelmingly white debate, a white, all-white debate.

00:07:58.000 And there are a lot of Democratic voters that are wondering if the Democrats are going to continue to rely on African-American voters, and specifically African-American women, for their loyalty, how they're going to continue to make that case while not having a field that looks like the voters are trying to get.

00:08:13.000 They're gonna bully one of these candidates into picking Kamala Harris's VP, aren't they? 1.00

00:08:17.000 I mean, that's the way this is going to work.

00:08:19.000 They're gonna bully Joe Biden into picking Kamala Harris, who he can't stand, or Cory Booker, who has been running for VP for several months here, as a candidate, just because we can't have too many women. 1.00

00:08:29.000 Very, very bad. 0.96

00:08:30.000 Too many white people.

00:08:31.000 But as I say, I will enjoy it while all of these candidates profess their deep upset at the fact that minority candidates have not been more successful in the 2020 race.

00:08:42.000 It reminds me of this very famous novel by Arthur Kessler called Darkness at Noon.

00:08:46.000 The entire novel It's about a Soviet apparatchik who had fought in the Russian Revolution and then had served under Stalin.

00:08:53.000 He's eventually made the target of the revolution during the 1938 purges and he finds himself in jail.

00:08:58.000 His choice is whether to confess to treason, which he knows is not true, or to stand up to the regime.

00:09:04.000 He chooses to confess to treason because he has to go along with the program, even if the program eats him.

00:09:09.000 And that's exactly the Democratic Party at this point.

00:09:11.000 You're going to see all of these Democrats who know that they are not racist proclaiming that their party is indeed racist because Kamala Harris and Cory Booker aren't on that stage.

00:09:19.000 Meanwhile, intersectionality fight breaking out now between two very white people, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

00:09:25.000 So they are going after each other.

00:09:27.000 Last night, Elizabeth Warren tried to drop a bomb on Bernie Sanders. 1.00

00:09:31.000 And this is really egregious.

00:09:32.000 I mean, I cannot stand Elizabeth Warren. 0.74

00:09:35.000 She is just the worst. 0.99

00:09:36.000 The reason that she is just the worst is because she pretends that she is as honest and true as the day is long.

00:09:41.000 The truth is that she has sold every one of the political principles she held in about 2003.

00:09:46.000 She's thrown them out the window in order to run as Bernie Sanders light. 1.00

00:09:50.000 And then she pretended she was Bernie Sanders, his friend throughout this campaign, and the two of them laid off each other.

00:09:55.000 And honestly, I think Bernie Sanders, as you will see in just a moment, is just an egregious, awful politician.

00:10:00.000 He has terrible, terrible views. 0.78

00:10:02.000 I think that he is back to the worst regimes on planet Earth.

00:10:04.000 I think he currently. 0.72

00:10:06.000 The hobnobs with some of the worst anti-Semites in Congress. 0.96

00:10:09.000 I mean, he's just, he's just terrible. 0.76

00:10:10.000 But, compared to Elizabeth Warren, at least the man's honest.

00:10:13.000 So last night, Elizabeth Warren, after spending years proclaiming falsely to choose a Native American, Drops a story. 0.97

00:10:19.000 She leaks this story that when she and Bernie Sanders met in December 2018, Bernie Sanders told her he didn't think that a woman could win the presidency.

00:10:27.000 CNN reported this.

00:10:28.000 The stakes were high when Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren met at Warren's apartment in Washington, D.C.

00:10:33.000 one evening in December 2018.

00:10:34.000 The longtime friends knew that they could soon be running against each other for president.

00:10:39.000 The two agreed that if ultimately they face each other as presidential candidates, they should remain civil and avoid attacking one another so as not to hurt the progressive movement.

00:10:46.000 They also discussed how to best take on President Donald Trump, and Warren laid out two main reasons she believed she'd be a strong candidate.

00:10:53.000 She could make a robust argument about the economy, and she could earn broad support from female voters. 1.00

00:10:58.000 Sanders responded that he did not believe a woman could win.

00:11:01.000 No, you can't say that.

00:11:03.000 You can't say that.

00:11:04.000 Oh my god.

00:11:05.000 Okay, so first of all, Does Bernie Sanders truly believe that a woman could not win the presidency?

00:11:11.000 Bernie Sanders has been saying for years that he thinks that a woman could certainly be president.

00:11:11.000 No.

00:11:16.000 In 1988, he said a woman could be president.

00:11:18.000 It is now 2020, so it is now 32 years later, and Bernie Sanders, I mean, he had like a little more hair then, but he feels like the high school principal in Back to the Future.

00:11:30.000 Did that guy ever have hair?

00:11:31.000 Anyway, here's Bernie Sanders in 1988 explaining that a woman could be president.

00:11:36.000 The real issue is not whether you're black or white, whether you're a woman or a man. 0.64

00:11:40.000 In my view, a woman could be elected president of the United States. 1.00

00:11:43.000 The real issue is, whose side are you on?

00:11:46.000 Are you on the side of workers and poor people, or are you on the side of big money and the corporation?

00:11:51.000 That is a man who has not changed one iota, except he speaks a little bit slower today.

00:11:55.000 That's pretty much it. 0.97

00:11:57.000 But, Bernie Sanders, who was apparently an 80-year-old communist when he was 40, The idea that he's going around telling women that they can't win the presidency because he doesn't like women is silly.

00:12:06.000 Now, maybe Bernie Sanders said, I think against Donald Trump, women are going to have a particular challenge. 1.00

00:12:10.000 Maybe he said that.

00:12:11.000 That happens to be a fairly common political analysis in the aftermath of Hillary Clinton losing the 2016 election to Donald Trump, who's about as toxic a male as it is possible to have in American politics.

00:12:21.000 According to CNN, that evening in 2018, Sanders expressed frustration at what he saw as a growing focus among Democrats on identity politics.

00:12:29.000 According to one of the people familiar with the conversation, Warren told Sanders she disagreed with his assessment that a woman could not win, three of the four sources said.

00:12:37.000 So Bernie Sanders was on CNN and he denied the report.

00:12:40.000 He called it a ludicrous report.

00:12:42.000 It is ludicrous to believe that at the same meeting where Elizabeth Warren told me she was going to run for president, I would tell her that a woman couldn't win.

00:12:51.000 It's sad that three weeks before the Iowa caucus and a year after that private conversation, staff who weren't in the room are lying about what happened. 0.99

00:13:01.000 What I did say that night was that Donald Trump is a sexist, a racist, and a liar who would weaponize whatever he could. 0.98

00:13:08.000 Do I believe a woman can win in 2020? 1.00

00:13:10.000 Of course.

00:13:12.000 After all, Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by 3 million votes in 2016.

00:13:18.000 Okay, now as we will see, Elizabeth Warren is doing the... I didn't leak this, but he did say that.

00:13:24.000 Then who leaked it?

00:13:25.000 You think that nobody from the Warren campaign leaked it?

00:13:25.000 Really?

00:13:27.000 There's Bernie surrogates and Warren surrogates in that meeting.

00:13:30.000 Do you really think that nobody from Elizabeth Warren's team like this?

00:13:33.000 Like, the day before the debate?

00:13:35.000 So that it's a debate topic?

00:13:36.000 Do you really think that Elizabeth Warren isn't playing cynical politics in the last moments of the campaign? 0.95

00:13:41.000 She is so gross. 1.00

00:13:42.000 She really is just an awful human being. 1.00

00:13:44.000 Just really terrible. 0.97

00:13:45.000 In just a second, we'll get to Elizabeth Warren confirming that Bernie did indeed say that a woman could not win. 0.65

00:13:51.000 Oh no! 0.97

00:13:52.000 He must be a brutal sexist! 0.98

00:13:54.000 People are so tiresome. 0.97

00:13:55.000 Now, I do feel sort of like that guy from Godzilla.

00:14:00.000 Let them fight.

00:14:02.000 I'm going to enjoy it.

00:14:04.000 At the same time, gotta feel a little bit bad for Bernie. 0.80

00:14:07.000 He's just over there being a useless socialist and getting some momentum and here comes Elizabeth Warren stomping through that front door. 1.00

00:14:15.000 In traditional Native American garb, suggesting that he is sexist. 0.97

00:14:20.000 It's got to be a little bit rough to be a Democrat, honestly.

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00:15:30.000 Okay, so Elizabeth Warren has come out and confirmed the report.

00:15:33.000 Shocker, shocker, because she leaked it.

00:15:35.000 She says, Bernie and I met for more than two hours in December 2018 to discuss the 2020 election.

00:15:39.000 Our past work together.

00:15:42.000 And our shared goals.

00:15:43.000 Beating Donald Trump, taking back our government from the wealthy and well-connected, and building an economy that works for everyone.

00:15:49.000 Among the topics that came up was what would happen if Democrats nominated a female candidate.

00:15:52.000 I thought a woman could win. 1.00

00:15:53.000 He disagreed.

00:15:54.000 I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further, because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences on punditry.

00:16:00.000 I'm in this race to talk about what's broken in this country and how to fix it.

00:16:03.000 And that's what I'm going to continue to do.

00:16:05.000 I know Bernie is in the race for the same reason.

00:16:07.000 We have been friends and allies in this fight for a long time.

00:16:09.000 I have no doubt we will continue to work together to defeat Donald Trump and put our government on the side of the people.

00:16:16.000 Okay, so she absolutely leaked this.

00:16:18.000 She absolutely did so in scurrilous fashion. 1.00

00:16:20.000 She absolutely is seeking to sink Bernie Sanders among women. 1.00

00:16:24.000 She hopes that she can pick up a few more votes in Iowa and New Hampshire and maybe be a legit contender for the presidency. 1.00

00:16:29.000 It's a brutal and terrible hit.

00:16:31.000 It's a really dishonest hit by Elizabeth Warren.

00:16:33.000 And there is absolutely no question this came from Elizabeth Warren's camp.

00:16:37.000 And I do love her take.

00:16:38.000 This story that my team leaked and that I'm currently putting out a statement on, I expect no further questions.

00:16:44.000 And watch as the media humor her. 1.00

00:16:46.000 Seriously, watch as the media pretend that she doesn't need to be asked about any of those questions.

00:16:50.000 I mean, at least Chris Cuomo.

00:16:52.000 Block of wood, Chris Cuomo. 1.00

00:16:53.000 The dumber of the Cuomo brothers. 1.00

00:16:55.000 At least Chris Cuomo is honest about this one. 0.99

00:16:56.000 He says, you know, if you're going to bring up this topic, then you might be asked questions about it.

00:17:02.000 I have no interest in discussing this private meeting any further because Bernie and I have far more in common than our differences.

00:17:11.000 Note to self, if you don't want to talk about it, then you should have never put out the statement.

00:17:17.000 If Bernie Sanders doesn't want to talk about it, he should have never denied it.

00:17:21.000 Now, you've got competing allegations.

00:17:23.000 Somebody's not telling the truth.

00:17:26.000 Well, it's pretty obvious what happened here, which is probably that Bernie made an offhand comment about how he thought that a woman might be at a disadvantage against Trump because Trump is so vicious.

00:17:33.000 Right, that's the kind of thing Bernie would say.

00:17:35.000 Does that mean that Bernie is an actual sexist who doesn't believe that a woman can be president? 0.99

00:17:39.000 Of course not, he just got beat by a woman in the primaries in the last go-around, so the whole thing is unbelievably silly. 0.97

00:17:44.000 So, on that level, I have a bit of sympathy for Bernie. 1.00

00:17:46.000 And then there is the political level, where Bernie is just a garbage fire.

00:17:49.000 So the fact that Bernie Sanders is taken seriously by the Democratic Party, the fact that this guy is one of the top two candidates, the fact that he really did have a significant amount of momentum going into this week's politics, it just shows you how far the Democratic Party has skewed to the left. 0.55

00:18:03.000 I mean, this guy was an independent for years in the Senate, specifically because he was too far left for the Democratic Party.

00:18:08.000 He was an independent in Vermont.

00:18:10.000 You know how left-wing you have to be to be an independent in Vermont?

00:18:12.000 I mean, my goodness.

00:18:15.000 That's, it's bizarre.

00:18:17.000 Okay, Bernie Sanders' record is egregiously, egregiously far left.

00:18:21.000 And that is why even people like Chris Matthews, who's sort of a normal left winger, even Chris Matthews, he gets up in the morning, puts on a rub of soap, come out here, have an iron in my shirt, come out of the show, Not as much hair as I used to be.

00:18:36.000 And then I come in here, I talk to John Kerry, whose face looks like it's collapsing in a mudslide from 1994 El Nino in Southern California.

00:18:42.000 Ha! 0.89

00:18:43.000 And then I tell him, Bernie's the worst.

00:18:45.000 And then we laugh about it together.

00:18:47.000 I say, ha ha!

00:18:48.000 And John Kerry says, ah ah.

00:18:51.000 Go! 0.95

00:18:51.000 You get the wrong candidate, you might lose the whole thing. 0.95

00:18:55.000 What about Bernie Sanders?

00:18:56.000 Do you think he's a danger as a president, as a candidate?

00:18:59.000 You're out there fighting like hell for Joe Biden.

00:19:02.000 How much of danger is that Bernie Sanders, who's now leading in the polls, in the latest poll out there in Iowa, how big a danger would he be to the country or to the party, the Democrats?

00:19:10.000 Let me give you a softball right up the middle, John Kerry.

00:19:13.000 Tell me, how much of a danger would Bernie Sanders be if he were the nominee?

00:19:16.000 I mean, would he be as dangerous as me ice skating around a rink behind an elephant?

00:19:23.000 Just random stuff?

00:19:26.000 But here's the thing, Chris Matthews isn't wrong.

00:19:29.000 Bernie Sanders is, in fact, a candidate who's not likely to win the hearts and minds of the American people.

00:19:34.000 And people who think that he is are a little bit delusional about exactly who Bernie Sanders is.

00:19:38.000 They've obscured his past, his 40-year-long history of being an actual communist, in order to shield from the fact that he is an actual communist, right?

00:19:47.000 If you want to make him electable, you can't talk about anything he's done for 40 years.

00:19:50.000 Instead, you have to buy his nonsense now that he only likes Finland.

00:19:54.000 He only likes Norway. 0.79

00:19:56.000 He only likes Denmark.

00:19:57.000 He never- I never liked Venezuela.

00:19:59.000 I was never a fan of Cuba, or Nicaragua, or the Soviet Union.

00:20:03.000 Except for all the years when I was actually putting up pennants for Stalin in my home.

00:20:07.000 I bought a pennant of Stalin.

00:20:08.000 It went right next to my Brooklyn Dodgers pennant.

00:20:11.000 And I put it up in my home.

00:20:13.000 And each night, I would sing the Soviet Union National Anthem.

00:20:18.000 But let me tell you, I was never a fan.

00:20:19.000 I was never a fan.

00:20:21.000 They didn't have enough pudding.

00:20:23.000 Here's the problem for Bernie Sanders.

00:20:25.000 Dude was actually, like, a full-on commie.

00:20:28.000 And continues to be, right?

00:20:29.000 He just sort of shields it now.

00:20:31.000 So, let's look back at Bernie's record briefly.

00:20:34.000 According to Andrew Kaczynski and Nathan McDermott, this is from March 14th, 2019, over at CNN, Bernie Sanders advocated for the nationalization of most major industries, including energy companies, factories, and banks, when he was a leading member of a self-described radical political party in the 1970s.

00:20:48.000 By the way, in the 1970s, Bernie Sanders was still 72 years old.

00:20:52.000 Bernie Sanders' past views shed light on a formative period of his political career that could become relevant as he advances in the 2020 Democratic primary.

00:20:59.000 Many of the positions he held at the time are more extreme compared to the more tempered democratic socialism the Vermont senator espouses today, and could provide fodder for moderate Democrats and Republicans looking to cast the Democratic presidential candidate and his beliefs as a fringe form of socialism that would be harmful to the country.

00:21:15.000 Aspects of Sanders' plans and time in the Liberty Union have been reported before, But the material taken together, including hundreds of newly digitalized newspapers and files from the Liberty Union Party archives at the University of Vermont, paint a fuller picture.

00:21:28.000 In a statement to CNN, Sanders' campaign spokesperson, Josh Orton, said last year, Throughout his career, Bernie has fought on the side of working people and against the influence of both the powerful ultra-rich and giant corporations who seek only to further their own greed.

00:21:40.000 The record shows that from the very beginning, Bernie anticipated and worked to combat the rise of a billionaire ruling class and the exploding power of Wall Street and multinational corporations.

00:21:48.000 Bernie's priority has always been and always will be defending the interests of working people across the country.

00:21:54.000 That does not sound, right there, so much like an apology.

00:21:57.000 Does it?

00:21:58.000 I'm not getting the apology there from Bernie Sanders.

00:22:01.000 Okay, so a little bit more on Bernie Sanders in the Liberty Union Party.

00:22:04.000 After moving to Vermont in 1968, according to CNN, several years after graduating college, Sanders became an active member of the left-wing Liberty Union Party.

00:22:11.000 Under the Liberty Union banner, Sanders, then in his early 30s... Bernie Sanders back in the 1970s is the same age that I was now.

00:22:19.000 He ran for governor of Vermont in 1972 and 1976, and then as a candidate for Senate in 72 and 74.

00:22:25.000 Didn't do great.

00:22:26.000 Sanders also served as chairman of the party from 73 to 75.

00:22:29.000 During this time, Sanders and Liberty Union argued for nationalization of the energy industry, which worked out amazingly well for the oil industry in Venezuela, bankrupting the country and leading to people eating dogs in the streets.

00:22:39.000 Public ownership of banks Which typically has gone hand in hand with a complete socialization of lending, which has ended with a death of entrepreneurship, telephone, electric, and drug companies, and of the major means of production such as factories and capital, as well as other proposals such as a 100% income tax on the highest income earners in America.

00:22:59.000 So he's a full-on communist.

00:23:00.000 I mean, this is just communism, right?

00:23:02.000 Every element of this is social ownership of the means of production, which is to say state ownership of the means of production.

00:23:08.000 That is the definition of communism.

00:23:10.000 Bernie Sanders was full on for it.

00:23:12.000 And when asked about it, he was like, I always stood up for working people.

00:23:15.000 Working people, the proletariat. 0.99

00:23:17.000 You might say they should break their chains.

00:23:19.000 You might say that the workers of the world should unite.

00:23:21.000 And if there are a few gulags, there are a few gulags.

00:23:25.000 Sanders also rejected political violence and criticized the anti-democratic nature of communist states such as the Soviet Union.

00:23:30.000 That was always the communist way in the United States of winking and nodding at the Soviet Union. 0.53

00:23:36.000 I do not like the violence in the Soviet Union, but boy, do they have wonderful healthcare!

00:23:40.000 This has been Bernie Sanders' position for a long time.

00:23:42.000 In one interview in 1976, Sanders said, I favor the public ownership of utilities, banks, and major industries.

00:23:51.000 So that's some pretty wild stuff.

00:23:53.000 And it turns out that Bernie Sanders has been fairly consistent about all of this.

00:23:57.000 Paul Sperry had a column in January of 2016 talking about how Sanders was an actual communist.

00:24:03.000 He says, while attending the University of Chicago, Sanders joined the Young People's Socialist League, a youth wing of the Socialist Party USA.

00:24:09.000 He also organized for a communist front, the United Packinghouse Workers Union, which at the time was under investigation by the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

00:24:17.000 Then he moved to Vermont, where he headed the American People's History Society, an organ for Marxist propaganda, where he produced a glowing documentary on the life of socialist revolutionary Eugene Debs.

00:24:27.000 Apparently, he still hangs a portrait of Eugene Debs on his wall in his Senate office, which is pretty astonishing.

00:24:33.000 That was as of 2016.

00:24:35.000 In 1918, Debs announced his solidarity with Lenin and Trotsky.

00:24:39.000 And then, of course, as we just mentioned, Sanders helped found the Liberty Union Party, which called for the nationalization of everything.

00:24:44.000 And then after he failed, in 1981, he managed to get elected mayor of Burlington, Vermont, where he restricted property rights for landlords, set price controls, raised property taxes to pay for communal land trusts.

00:24:54.000 Local small businesses handed out flyers complaining the mayor did, quote, not believe in free enterprise.

00:25:00.000 And then he took a bunch of goodwill trips to various communist dictatorships around the world, where he was very angry at the violence, but also they seem like pretty great places, do they not? 0.95

00:25:09.000 In 1985, he traveled to Managua to celebrate the rise to power of the Marxist-Leninist Sandinista government, which was slaughtering its opponents.

00:25:16.000 He called it a heroic revolution, and he undermined anti-communist U.S.

00:25:20.000 policy, denouncing the Reagan administration backing the Contras in a letter to the Sandinistas.

00:25:25.000 He even tried to broker a peace deal and invited Sandinista leader Daniel Ortega to visit the United States.

00:25:30.000 He exalted Ortega as an impressive guy while attacking President Reagan.

00:25:34.000 I mean, yes, this is who Bernie Sanders was, and I've seen not a lot of evidence that Bernie Sa- I mean, he's never repudiated any of this.

00:25:42.000 At no point did he turn around and say, yeah, by the way, this is a- this is- this was a mistake, and I went too far.

00:25:49.000 It was youthful exuber- sure, I was 47, but it was youthful exuberance!

00:25:52.000 I mean, I'm now 1,000 years old.

00:25:54.000 I was just a babe.

00:25:56.000 I'm basically like Baby Yoda.

00:25:58.000 I'm 8 years old, but I was still a baby.

00:26:01.000 Today, Sanders wants to bring what he admired in the USSR, Cuba, Nicaragua, and other communist states to the United States, according to Paul Sperry.

00:26:07.000 And obviously, his program for government spending is extraordinarily ambitious, to put it kindly.

00:26:12.000 But don't just ask me about it.

00:26:14.000 Ask Bernie about it.

00:26:15.000 Back in 1986, Bernie suggested that JFK's response to the rise of the Castros made him want to puke.

00:26:21.000 That would be the Castro's who are busy shooting dissidents in the streets, jailing them, and then imposing communal land ownership and wrecking the economy of Cuba such that people in 2020 are still driving around Chevys from the 1950s when they're not attempting to float them to the coast of Florida.

00:26:34.000 Kennedy was saying that Nixon was too soft on communism.

00:26:38.000 We pick up a point that Rick was making in Cuba.

00:26:40.000 We should deal firmly with Fidel Castro.

00:26:42.000 And Nixon was playing the role of, hey, you've got to be patient.

00:26:46.000 You know, you can't do these things.

00:26:47.000 You've got to negotiate.

00:26:47.000 Well, of course, what he was upset about is that secretly they were planning the Bay of Pigs invasion right then.

00:26:53.000 But for security reasons, he couldn't come out and say, we're already planning the destruction of the Cuban Revolution.

00:26:57.000 Don't worry about it.

00:26:58.000 So he, he was the liberal and Kennedy was playing the conservative.

00:27:03.000 Actually, you know, when you read novels, people say there's a sick feeling in your stomach.

00:27:06.000 Usually I'm Sufficiently unemotional not to be sick, but I actually got up in the room and almost left the puke.

00:27:12.000 He almost left the puke when I found out that the United States opposed a communist revolution that ended with the slaughter of people who actually wanted to just keep their property.

00:27:20.000 Back in the day, Bernie was also praising bread lines.

00:27:22.000 Bernie loves bread lines, actually.

00:27:24.000 This is the same period where he was explaining that bread lines are good because there are lines for bread.

00:27:29.000 Why should you not have lines for bread?

00:27:30.000 It's like a grocery store.

00:27:31.000 Bread lines are good.

00:27:32.000 You know what else is good?

00:27:33.000 Mass starvation.

00:27:34.000 Also gulags.

00:27:35.000 Bernie Sanders.

00:27:37.000 You know, it's funny.

00:27:38.000 Sometimes American journalists talk about how bad a country is because people are lining up for food.

00:27:43.000 That's a good thing.

00:27:44.000 In other countries, people don't line up for food.

00:27:46.000 The rich get the food and the poor starve to death.

00:27:50.000 In other countries, rich people get food and poor people starve to death like the United States.

00:27:54.000 But when there are bread lines, everything is great.

00:27:55.000 Because nobody gets bread, but there is a line.

00:27:57.000 And I like lines.

00:27:58.000 Have you ever danced in a conga line?

00:28:00.000 Have you ever done the Macarena?

00:28:01.000 Let me ask you that.

00:28:02.000 Have you ever done a proper conga line or a proper Macarena?

00:28:05.000 You don't see that in the United States, where cultural heritage is restricted to the Charleston and square dancing.

00:28:10.000 Have you ever seen such a thing?

00:28:13.000 Okay, by the way, back then, Bernie Sanders was also praising Soviet infrastructure.

00:28:17.000 I just love how this entire period of his career has been wiped clean, as though he doesn't believe all these things.

00:28:22.000 And when he's asked about it, he doesn't apologize.

00:28:25.000 As you will see in just a moment, when Bernie Sanders is asked openly about this stuff, he doesn't back off of it.

00:28:30.000 It's not as though Bernie has decided that he changed his mind.

00:28:32.000 Like, over the course— Listen, I've been doing this since I was 17.

00:28:35.000 Since the time I was— So, almost 20 years.

00:28:38.000 In that time, some of my views have changed.

00:28:40.000 Some of them have moderated.

00:28:41.000 Some of them become stronger.

00:28:42.000 And this happens over time.

00:28:43.000 And when I've changed my view on something, I try to be open about the views that have changed.

00:28:46.000 And if somebody asks me about it, I will say that my views have changed.

00:28:49.000 You can find tons of tape of me online talking about this.

00:28:51.000 Bernie Sanders has not changed his views since he was campaigning with Trotsky.

00:28:56.000 Here is Bernie Sanders talking about Soviet infrastructure and the wonders of Soviet infrastructure. 0.69

00:29:00.000 By the way, this is like a couple years before the Soviet Union collapsed because it turns out it was a garbage heap. 0.94

00:29:06.000 Most of the people here also were extremely impressed by their public transportation system.

00:29:12.000 The stations themselves were absolutely beautiful, including many works of art, chandeliers that were beautiful.

00:29:19.000 It was a very, very effective system.

00:29:21.000 Also, I was impressed by the youth programs that they have.

00:29:25.000 They have palaces of culture for the young people, a whole variety of programs for young people, and cultural programs which go far beyond what we do in this country.

00:29:37.000 They have unbelievable cultural programs in the USSR!

00:29:40.000 Unbelievable cultural programs!

00:29:42.000 They teach you to sing about how great Stalin was!

00:29:44.000 And then, also, they teach you to dance about how great Stalin was!

00:29:47.000 And then when you're finished singing and dancing, they teach you to recite poetry about how great Stalin was.

00:29:52.000 It's cultural genius over there, as opposed to the United States, the inventor of jazz, rock and roll, musical theater, movies.

00:29:59.000 They've got actual culture over there.

00:30:02.000 Actual, unbelievable, great culture.

00:30:04.000 And only one flavor of pudding, because you only need one flavor of pudding.

00:30:07.000 And it is indeed tapioca.

00:30:09.000 More on Bernie Sanders.

00:30:10.000 Again, this guy might win the Democratic nomination.

00:30:14.000 How nuts is one quarter of the country right now?

00:30:16.000 Like full-on crazy.

00:30:18.000 Completely crazy.

00:30:19.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:31:47.000 Okay, so when I say that Bernie Sanders has not changed, like ever, This week, he did an interview with the New York Times.

00:32:01.000 It's a very, very long interview.

00:32:02.000 And he was asked specifically about his opinions on Latin America.

00:32:05.000 So Latin America is a favorite.

00:32:07.000 It's a favorite topic for folks on the left, the Noam Chomsky left.

00:32:10.000 People liking to suggest that the United States has been interventionist in South America in unbelievably terrible ways because the United States worked sometimes with right-wing dictators in order to fight communist insurgencies in South America, which is true, because the United States has acted through the Monroe Doctrine to prevent great powers from intervening.

00:32:26.000 In Latin America, because it happens to be a fact of life and of history that when the United States was quote unquote imperialist in particular areas of the world, that has generally been in order to counter imperialism from countries across the sea that goes all the way back to the 18, really the 1820s and the Monroe Doctrine, the notion that no European country should set foot in the Western Hemisphere.

00:32:48.000 But Bernie Sanders is asked a simple question by one of the members of the New York Times editorial board, quote, you've long supported movements in Latin America to oppose American intervention and oppressive regimes there.

00:32:57.000 Why do you think it is that so many of the leftist governments that have taken power in the last few years, despite the hopes that many American leftists had that they would bring about change, have become anti-democratic, corrupt and even brutal?

00:33:07.000 That is just a simple fact.

00:33:09.000 Okay, and Bernie Sanders, his response to this is, What about all the right-wing people in Latin America?

00:33:14.000 He says, well, for a start, compared to what?

00:33:16.000 What I have opposed my whole life is U.S. interventionism and overthrowing governments.

00:33:19.000 Well, except for the fact that you did stand in favor of Daniel Ortega.

00:33:25.000 As you are familiar with, the United States has a long history under the so-called Monroe Doctrine of overthrowing governments.

00:33:31.000 I don't think that is right.

00:33:32.000 Only communists should be able to overthrow governments because workers of the world should rise up and break their feathers.

00:33:38.000 Alright, I think it was wrong to overthrow Salvador Allende in Chile.

00:33:41.000 It was wrong to overthrow the Brazilian government.

00:33:44.000 Wrong to overthrow the government in Dominican Republic.

00:33:46.000 Wrong to overthrow the Grenadian government.

00:33:48.000 You know, it's just Big Brother thinking they have a right to intervene, whatever they wanted, in Latin America.

00:33:53.000 Now you raise an interesting question.

00:33:55.000 First of all, when we talk about recent governments, Lula, this would be the former president of Brazil, who I talked to a couple of weeks ago, we can argue it.

00:34:01.000 Now I'm not telling you I'm the world's greatest expert, but I suspect the case against them was an illegitimate case.

00:34:06.000 Hey, Lula was corrupt. 0.94

00:34:09.000 And then he talks about Yair Bolsonaro, and he says Yair Bolsonaro is a dictator.

00:34:17.000 And then he praises Evo Morales of Bolivia, whose record is not particularly good, which is why there was a coup in Bolivia.

00:34:23.000 It was a democratic coup.

00:34:24.000 He was attempting to oust Morales after he attempted to change the constitution single-handedly.

00:34:30.000 The New York Times editorial board even came out and said that Morales had, quote, shed his legitimacy as a leader because of his attempts to destroy the constitutional republic.

00:34:39.000 And then he talks about Mexico.

00:34:40.000 He says, in Mexico, well, you have drug cartels, massive amount of corruption in terms of other countries.

00:34:44.000 So I'm not sure I accept the basic premises.

00:34:46.000 Lula, I think, did a good job in Brazil. 0.99

00:34:48.000 The people of Brazil did not think so.

00:34:50.000 I think Morales probably should not have run again, but his record is not a bad record.

00:34:53.000 And somebody asked him about Nicaragua and he said, And then he attacks Bolsonaro.

00:34:57.000 Bolsonaro's not a dictator.

00:34:58.000 Bolsonaro entered office like two years ago.

00:35:00.000 The hell are you talking about?

00:35:01.000 I think that's unfortunate. 0.94

00:35:02.000 But don't only look to leftist governments.

00:35:04.000 And then he attacks Bolsonaro.

00:35:05.000 Bolsonaro's not a dictator.

00:35:07.000 Bolsonaro entered office like two years ago.

00:35:09.000 The hell are you talking about?

00:35:10.000 You're comparing that to Daniel Ortega? 0.78

00:35:12.000 The Ortega's been in power for like decades.

00:35:15.000 What are you saying?

00:35:17.000 And then, he's asked about Venezuela.

00:35:19.000 He says, I assume that Venezuela would be one of the exceptions on that list as well.

00:35:22.000 I said, yup, yup.

00:35:24.000 And then, by the way, Sanders has warned against intervention in Venezuela.

00:35:29.000 So basically, there's not a left-wing dictatorship on planet Earth he's willing to attack.

00:35:32.000 But he's willing to declare non-dictators, who happen to be right-wing, dictators in order to push his nonsense.

00:35:39.000 So Bernie Sanders has always been deeply radical.

00:35:42.000 That has not ended.

00:35:43.000 That has not stopped.

00:35:44.000 And when you listen to him talk about what exactly he wants to do in his first 100 days, it's wild.

00:35:50.000 So he was asked what would his first 100 days look like.

00:35:53.000 And here's what he says.

00:35:55.000 He says, it's going to be a busy hundred days.

00:35:56.000 In fact, I've made enough promises.

00:35:58.000 I think I'm going to be up all night on my first day.

00:36:00.000 I'm going to go to bed at five in the morning.

00:36:02.000 I think the most important point, aside from the legislation, is to convince the American people that, in fact, we can have a government that represents working people and not just the 1%.

00:36:12.000 The notion that the American government has ever represented only the 1% is absolute nonsense.

00:36:16.000 It's been absolute nonsense for all of American history.

00:36:19.000 And it is particularly nonsense today.

00:36:21.000 He says, obviously the legislation we're going to introduce will deal with climate change, which I consider to be an enormous threat, not only to this country, but to the planet.

00:36:29.000 We'll introduce Medicare-for-all legislation in the first week!

00:36:32.000 That's only going to cost us a minimum of $32 trillion over 10 years.

00:36:35.000 It will likely cost much more than that.

00:36:37.000 There has yet to be a government estimate of cost that even remotely approaches what the actual cost looks like when you set up the government program.

00:36:44.000 He says, we'll be introducing legislation not dissimilar to what the House passed, raising the minimum wage to a living wage.

00:36:51.000 He would like to see the House of Representatives raise the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour, which of course will not cause any unemployment in the teenage ranks.

00:36:59.000 That's exactly what happens.

00:37:00.000 When a minimum wage is raised, the people who retain their jobs have a higher minimum wage.

00:37:04.000 Everybody else is unemployed, and this particularly creates a downward pressure on labor, because it means that if you're less qualified, you can no longer get the $7.25 an hour job, because now it's paying $15 an hour.

00:37:14.000 That one's gonna go to, you know, a college junior or something.

00:37:18.000 He also says that he's going to introduce legislation to rebuild our infrastructure, make public colleges and universities tuition-free.

00:37:24.000 He's going to do all of this in the first hundred days, and he's going to do it magically.

00:37:26.000 Because he was asked, how are you going to do this?

00:37:30.000 Because Mitch McConnell is in the Senate.

00:37:32.000 And he says that the agenda is supported by the American people, so I'm going to yell about it.

00:37:38.000 That he's going to actually just stand there and yell.

00:37:38.000 That's his plan.

00:37:41.000 He says, it's rallying the American people around an agenda that they already support.

00:37:45.000 All right?

00:37:47.000 That guy is your possible frontrunner.

00:37:49.000 And that is why so many Democrats are looking around and going, you know, maybe this Biden guy isn't the scariest guy.

00:37:55.000 Maybe we should go with the Biden guy because at least he ain't an old commie.

00:37:59.000 At least he ain't an old commie.

00:38:01.000 And meanwhile, The hubbub over impeachment continues.

00:38:06.000 Apparently, according to The Hill, GOP leadership believes there are not 51 votes to dismiss the Trump articles of impeachment right away, which is not a shock.

00:38:11.000 It is not surprising that the Republicans do not have a preemptive dismissal prepared.

00:38:17.000 Senator Roy Blunt of Missouri told reporters on Monday the Senate Republican caucus does not have the votes to dismiss the articles of impeachment against President Trump, who endorsed an outright dismissal over the weekend.

00:38:27.000 Blunt said, I think our members generally are not interested in a motion to dismiss.

00:38:30.000 Certainly there aren't 51 votes for a motion to dismiss.

00:38:33.000 President Trump has been trying to push all of that.

00:38:35.000 But the fact is that the Republicans are not going to go for that.

00:38:38.000 They're going to run through the process and then they are not going to vote to impeach him.

00:38:42.000 And then that is going to be that.

00:38:44.000 There's also a poll out today from Quinnipiac suggesting that a majority of Americans are interested in hearing from John Bolton, which is, again, not a surprise.

00:38:52.000 The media have been stumping No trial will be a fair trial without witnesses and documents, and John Bolton is a key witness.

00:38:58.000 And so he should be subpoenaed.

00:39:00.000 President Trump, Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader, is saying that Bolton should be subpoenaed, which is weird because he wasn't saying the same thing when Nancy Pelosi in charge of the House didn't subpoena John Bolton.

00:39:07.000 No trial will be a fair trial without witnesses and documents.

00:39:12.000 And John Bolton is a key witness.

00:39:14.000 And so he should be subpoenaed.

00:39:16.000 And if he is subpoenaed, executive privilege won't stop him.

00:39:20.000 They tried to invoke Executive Privilege against Fiona Hill. 0.56

00:39:23.000 They tried to invoke Executive Privilege against William Taylor.

00:39:27.000 They tried to invoke Executive Privilege against Sunderland.

00:39:30.000 But since they wanted to go ahead and testify, they did, and Bolton could do just the same.

00:39:34.000 If you're wondering why I only spend a couple minutes every show talking about impeachment, it's because it's completely a waste of time.

00:39:38.000 This is not going anywhere.

00:39:39.000 Bolton is not going to get up there and give a bombshell testimony that breaks President Trump's presidency.

00:39:43.000 That's not where any of this is going to go.

00:39:45.000 Democrats, however, would certainly rather focus on that than they would on President Trump's victory over the last couple of weeks in Iran.

00:39:50.000 The American public increasingly are basically in favor of what Trump did with regard to Soleimani.

00:39:56.000 Trump's Never going to show up in the polls this way.

00:39:58.000 What I mean is that if you ask the American people if they ever approve of anything Trump does, only about 45% will ever say yes.

00:40:04.000 Ever.

00:40:04.000 Because the other 55% have been taught by the media that it's very, very bad to say anything nice about President Trump ever.

00:40:11.000 I mean, the media essentially suggests that if you're seen within a 30-foot radius of President Trump, you have become absolutely toxic.

00:40:16.000 Last night, people went nuts because the actor Vince Vaughn was in a luxury box with the President of the United States at the college football national championship game.

00:40:26.000 People were going nuts over this.

00:40:27.000 Okay, first of all, Vince Vaughn has been a Republican for a very long time.

00:40:31.000 He's been very open about this.

00:40:33.000 Vaughn is a libertarian.

00:40:34.000 He's been a very outspoken libertarian.

00:40:36.000 People are going nuts.

00:40:36.000 How come?

00:40:37.000 Oh my God!

00:40:37.000 He's shaking Donald Trump's hand.

00:40:39.000 I guess that you can't watch swingers anymore because Vince Vaughn shook President Trump's hand.

00:40:43.000 That's totally crazy.

00:40:45.000 How could?

00:40:45.000 No!

00:40:46.000 No!

00:40:47.000 So the American public know that there's blowback for even suggesting any warmth at all toward President Trump's policies.

00:40:52.000 So what you end up with is for any action, about 45% will say that it's good.

00:40:56.000 The question is how many say that it's bad.

00:40:58.000 Because if that percent is low, that means that like 30% of Americans are happy with it, but they're not going to say so.

00:41:03.000 Perfect example.

00:41:04.000 According to Quinnipiac, slightly more American voters say that the killing of a top Iranian general was the right action for the United States to take, with 45% saying it was the right action, 41% saying it was the wrong action.

00:41:15.000 However, 45% say the killing of Qasem Soleimani has made Americans less safe.

00:41:19.000 While 32% say it has made Americans more safe.

00:41:23.000 18% say it has had no impact on the safety of Americans.

00:41:25.000 Okay, those are actually good numbers for Trump because that means that 50% say that the killing of Soleimani didn't actually make America less safe.

00:41:33.000 And it says that a plurality of Americans say that killing Soleimani was the right action.

00:41:36.000 Also, a vast majority of voters, 58%, believe that the tensions between the United States and Iran will not lead to war.

00:41:43.000 Only 29% believe that it will lead to war.

00:41:46.000 And that is led by a... Even the Democratic Party is evenly split on that question.

00:41:52.000 So, President Trump gets a win with regard to Iran.

00:41:55.000 The Democrats continue to pretend that the Trump administration did something deeply wrong in killing Soleimani.

00:42:02.000 It is amazing to watch the same Democrats who suggested that the Obama administration did not lie in the aftermath of Benghazi, that the thing was not a terror attack, it was a spontaneous uprising caused by a random YouTube video.

00:42:12.000 The same media who say that was not a scandal, suggest it is a scandal, that Trump suggested that Soleimani was going to participate in imminent terror, when that was literally his job.

00:42:21.000 I praised Chris Cuomo earlier.

00:42:23.000 I'm going to correct that error now.

00:42:24.000 Here's Chris Cuomo of CNN suggesting that President Trump's plan on Iran is to lie, deny, and defy.

00:42:30.000 How about this?

00:42:30.000 How about the media's plan on Iran is to back the Obama narrative even weeks after it has been openly debunked?

00:42:37.000 The Trump triple step is in full effect once again.

00:42:40.000 What is it?

00:42:41.000 Lie, deny, defy.

00:42:44.000 Take Iran. 0.97

00:42:45.000 It was imminent because Iran is bad. 1.00

00:42:47.000 And this guy was a terrorist. 0.98

00:42:49.000 Okay.

00:42:49.000 But why imminent?

00:42:52.000 Wow, lie, deny, defy.

00:42:53.000 No proof that it was, period.

00:42:55.000 Then the president denies that fact and says it was about the embassy that they hit in the past.

00:43:02.000 And for more, something even his inner circle can't back up.

00:43:08.000 Wow, lie, deny, defy. 0.84

00:43:10.000 Alternatively, you could just notice that Soleimani was a lifelong terrorist.

00:43:14.000 Yes, Trump has a habit of getting over his skis and saying things that are not true or embellishing.

00:43:20.000 Does that undermine the central point? 0.86

00:43:22.000 When Soleimani was a terrorist and needed to die?

00:43:25.000 No, it does not undermine that point at all, but the media are going to focus on the trees specifically so they can avoid focusing on the forest.

00:43:31.000 Okay, time for a quick thing I like and then a quick thing that I hate.

00:43:34.000 So, things that I like today.

00:43:36.000 So, I just recently completed a read of Ludwig von Mises' Socialism, an Economic and Sociological Analysis.

00:43:43.000 It is amazing how bad ideas never die.

00:43:44.000 They never even really fade.

00:43:47.000 Von Mises really debunks socialism, Marxist socialism, from beginning to end, and many other types of socialism, ranging from syndicalism to guild socialism.

00:43:56.000 He does all of that in this, what at the time was a very famous book, Socialism, an Economic and Sociological Analysis.

00:44:03.000 He did that in 1920.

00:44:05.000 Socialism has always been a rotten idea.

00:44:07.000 It was never practical.

00:44:09.000 The Austrian School of Economics, ranging from Schumpeter to Hayek to von Mises, did an excellent job of debunking the theoretical underpinnings of socialism, and in the process, debunking a lot of the idiocies of Keynesianism and government interventionism as well.

00:44:24.000 But we prefer to ignore all of that because the lure of socialism, the lure of what if we just had the wisest among us delegating power to the rest of us and determining what was fair and correcting all cosmic imbalances?

00:44:36.000 The ring of power is incredibly seductive.

00:44:40.000 It's incredibly seductive.

00:44:41.000 The fatal conceit that we are so wise that we can control the economy top-down is incredibly seductive.

00:44:46.000 And by the way, you see it on the right and the left.

00:44:48.000 These days you see it on the right too.

00:44:49.000 People suggesting that if we just correct the economy, if we just chain up the economy and make it work for us, why do we work for the free markets?

00:44:55.000 Why don't the free markets work for us? 1.00

00:44:57.000 That's idiotic. 0.99

00:44:58.000 That's like saying, why don't we make breathing work for us as opposed to working for breathing? 1.00

00:45:02.000 Free markets are just a recognition that individuals have rights.

00:45:04.000 They have a right to own their own labor.

00:45:06.000 They have a right to dispense with their own labor as they see fit.

00:45:08.000 They have a right to alienate their own labor.

00:45:09.000 They have a right to do anything they want with their own labor.

00:45:13.000 And mutual exchange is a matter of consent, right?

00:45:16.000 Recognizing those basic principles brings you to the free market.

00:45:19.000 Suggesting that the collective need overrides those individual principles eventually leads you down the road to tyranny.

00:45:26.000 That doesn't mean that you always end up at tyranny.

00:45:28.000 Sometimes you end up at sort of half tyranny.

00:45:30.000 Sometimes you end up with violations of property rights that are minimal.

00:45:34.000 Sometimes you end up with violations of property rights that are at the ultimate extreme as you see in the Soviet Union.

00:45:39.000 But the bottom line is that socialism as a theory was never workable.

00:45:43.000 Von Mises debunked it thoroughly in 1920.

00:45:46.000 We are now a hundred years later and people are pretending that it has not been debunked.

00:45:50.000 That somehow there is some new information out there that is going to somehow solve the knowledge problem.

00:45:54.000 The idea that the entire economy has more information than any cadre of wise folks at the top.

00:46:02.000 There are people who are suggesting that somehow computers are going to solve all this.

00:46:05.000 Algorithms are going to solve the vagaries of the market.

00:46:08.000 Yeah, except for the fact that people don't actually know what they want until an entrepreneur actually creates a new product and creates a dynamic economy.

00:46:15.000 One of the great conceits of both right and left when it comes to government running the economy or government interventionism in the economy is the notion that government has the capacity not only to pick winners and losers, but also to forecast what comes next. 0.97

00:46:28.000 And this is obviously foolish. 0.85

00:46:29.000 It's obviously not true. 0.90

00:46:31.000 The great developments in human history have been responses to market needs that people did not even know existed.

00:46:36.000 If you had asked people, there's a famous sort of Henry Ford apocryphal statement, if you had asked people in 1890 what they were looking for in a form of transportation, they would have said a faster horse.

00:46:46.000 People don't know what they want until somebody invents something new, until somebody creates a new product, until that product meets the price point at which people are willing to pay.

00:46:54.000 And when you hear socialists suggest that profit margin is an innate evil, this is like the AOC view and the Bernie Sanders view, that profit is greed.

00:47:01.000 Profit is greed.

00:47:02.000 It is the profit margin that provides the incentive structure that leads to the development of new, better processes, that leads products to become cheaper and more plentiful and more available.

00:47:12.000 And it is the price mechanism of the market itself, a price mechanism that cannot be set by government, because not only do they not have the information, even if they did have information, they'd have to get it from some sort of outside market, is the point Mises makes.

00:47:25.000 The notion that an entirely socialist earth, wherein no price mechanism exists, That you could then define the price of labor in that you can't define labor that way.

00:47:35.000 Because how would you know which labor is more valuable and which labor is not?

00:47:37.000 The only way you can do that is by submitting the product of the labor to the market and determining how much of somebody's labor they wish to trade in favor of somebody else's product.

00:47:46.000 That's the only way to determine what things are worth.

00:47:49.000 And we're still operating under the labor theory of value, which is that things are worth the amount of work that people put into them.

00:47:56.000 That is obviously untrue.

00:47:57.000 People on the right and the left buy into this nonsense.

00:47:59.000 It is economically untrue.

00:48:00.000 It is logically untrue.

00:48:01.000 It's clearly untrue.

00:48:03.000 If you ask somebody, what is more valuable?

00:48:07.000 An hour of labor in a coal mine or an hour of a man tinkering on a machine in his garage in 1982?

00:48:12.000 Most people would say an hour of work in the coal mine.

00:48:15.000 But if it turns out that the guy tinkering in his garage on a computer in 1982 is Bill Gates, well, then you might be wrong.

00:48:22.000 Turns out the market provides good, an excellent barometer of subjective values.

00:48:28.000 See, the thing is that every decision that you make is a subjective decision insofar as the value of a particular good, service, or product.

00:48:34.000 And the fact that the left refuses to acknowledge this and increasingly people on the right refuse to acknowledge it.

00:48:38.000 They think that there is some sort of objective value that can be assessed in a good or a product or a service, and that the government can therefore set it and get rid of the profit margin.

00:48:47.000 And then because the profit margin has gone, develop products more efficiently.

00:48:51.000 This ignores the fact that the market is, as Schumpeter put it, a part, a machine of creative destruction.

00:49:00.000 And that all the good stuff you have in your life, the reason you live better now than your parents did in 1950, Is because of all of the entrepreneurs who are creating new products and services and all the competition that made those luxury products available to the masses.

00:49:12.000 The economy is not, in fact, stagnant.

00:49:13.000 I've said this many times.

00:49:14.000 Socialism, the only thing it's good for is redistributing products that exist in the here and now.

00:49:18.000 That's the only thing that the government can do.

00:49:20.000 The government cannot produce more efficiently than the free market, nor can the government develop new products and services that have the capacity to reach the entire American market, at least now.

00:49:30.000 Without going about it at the expense of the actual market itself.

00:49:35.000 The only way you can tell what people want is to ask them.

00:49:37.000 And the fact that people refuse to recognize this is because people refuse to read books.

00:49:40.000 Go check out Ludwig von Mises' Socialism.

00:49:42.000 Not an easy read, but an important read.

00:49:43.000 Alrighty, a quick thing that I hate.

00:49:45.000 So I will acknowledge that I think there are a lot of good movies that were made this year.

00:49:49.000 The Academy Awards nominations came out yesterday.

00:49:52.000 I think there were a lot of good movies.

00:49:54.000 I've already praised Ford vs. Ferrari.

00:49:55.000 I've already praised 1917.

00:49:56.000 I've already praised Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

00:49:59.000 A lot of good movies this year. 0.96

00:50:00.000 But apparently, the Oscars are, again, very white and very sexist.

00:50:05.000 And this led Issa Rae, who's the star of some show whose name I cannot recall on HBO.

00:50:11.000 She was announcing the director nominees.

00:50:13.000 And this, of course, means that she gets to sound off about how sexist the Academy is.

00:50:18.000 The Irishman, Martin Scorsese.

00:50:23.000 Joker, Todd Phillips.

00:50:28.000 1917, Sam Mendes.

00:50:33.000 Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Quentin Tarantino.

00:50:39.000 And Parasite, Bong Joon-ho. 0.98

00:50:42.000 I did it?

00:50:43.000 I did it?

00:50:43.000 Thank you so much.

00:50:44.000 Congratulations to those men.

00:50:47.000 Congratulations to those men.

00:50:48.000 There's a sort of soft laugh.

00:50:49.000 She's the host.

00:50:50.000 She's the star of the show's called Insecure. 1.00

00:50:53.000 She got all sorts of plaudits for this.

00:50:54.000 Look at her strength and power in standing up to the men in her industry. 0.67

00:50:59.000 The one who everybody was whining about was Greta Gerwig, who directed Little Women. 1.00

00:51:04.000 She also directed Lady Bird and was nominated for Best Director two years ago.

00:51:06.000 So apparently between then and now, the Oscars have gotten very racist and very sexist again, which is exciting news.

00:51:13.000 It is, I will admit, a little bit fun to watch Hollywood eat its own.

00:51:16.000 Alrighty, we'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content.

00:51:19.000 So make sure that you stick around for that.

00:51:20.000 Otherwise, show up here tomorrow.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - January 14, 2020

The Bernie Moment | Ep. 931

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