The Ben Shapiro Show - October 01, 2026


The Case for the Death Penalty

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00:00:00.000 So, this is the most bizarre story of the day.
00:00:03.000 A woman who received the death penalty and actually received her lethal injection, and apparently just put her to sleep, but she didn't die.
00:00:10.000 Her name is Krista Pike.
00:00:12.000 She was sentenced to death in 1996 at the age of 20 because she murdered a 19 year old named Colleen Slemmer in Knoxville, Tennessee.
00:00:19.000 Court filings and medical records show that her childhood was a disaster neglect, abandonment, sexual assault at age 11, rape at age 17.
00:00:26.000 She attempted suicide when she was 12.
00:00:28.000 She's been diagnosed with bipolar.
00:00:30.000 So, in 1995, when Pike was 18, She lured a classmate named Colleen Slemmer to a wooded area near the University of Tennessee's agricultural campus and killed her because she believed that Colleen was trying to steal her boyfriend.
00:00:40.000 Apparently, she assaulted Slemmer for 30 minutes with a box cutter and a meat cleaver.
00:00:44.000 She carved a pentagram into Slemmer's chest.
00:00:47.000 And then afterward, she kept a fragment of her skull as a souvenir.
00:00:52.000 So that is a brutal murder.
00:00:54.000 In March 96, she was convicted of first degree murder and conspiracy, and the jury gave the death penalty.
00:01:00.000 So again, death penalty, the methods have changed.
00:01:02.000 This will become relevant in a moment.
00:01:04.000 Originally, the state of Tennessee used hanging as their method of capital punishment.
00:01:09.000 And then in the 1910s, they used the electric chair.
00:01:12.000 They paused capital punishment entirely between 1960 and 2000, and then they switched to lethal injection.
00:01:17.000 So while she was on death row, this murderess was convicted of attempted first degree murder for strangling another inmate with a shoe cord at the Tennessee Prison for Women.
00:01:25.000 She attempted to escape with a correctional officer in 2012, but was foiled.
00:01:30.000 So her execution was suddenly stayed an hour before it was slated to be held.
00:01:33.000 And then the Supreme Court.
00:01:35.000 Said that they could go forward.
00:01:38.000 Now, the court halted a procedure to re examine her childhood trauma and mental health considerations and certain restrictions placed by the state regarding her access to her Buddhist spiritual advisor.
00:01:51.000 Pike said on Monday she felt kinship with Lindsey Clancy and was pleased the accused child murderer received a mistrial for killing her three kids using exercise bans in 2023.
00:02:01.000 She says, I was a mentally ill 18 year old girl who committed a crime with two other individuals and I was the only one to receive the sentence.
00:02:06.000 There are so many women who don't get the help they need.
00:02:08.000 So the Supreme Court voted 6 3 to allow Tennessee to proceed with the execution.
00:02:08.000 Me and others.
00:02:14.000 But it didn't work.
00:02:16.000 So officials gave her a dose of pentobarbital that should have killed her, and it failed.
00:02:24.000 So apparently she is alive and loudly snoring after the attempted lethal injection.
00:02:31.000 I'm sorry, it's something out of a very, very, very dark sitcom.
00:02:35.000 The state's execution protocol calls for a secondary set of drug syringes to be administered if the inmate is not deceased after the first set.
00:02:41.000 It doesn't say what happens if the subject is alive still after the second set.
00:02:45.000 Robin Marr, the executive director of the Death Penalty Information Center, said that this is singular and unparalleled.
00:02:52.000 She remained awake.
00:02:52.000 At one point, she raised her head and asked prison officials if her arm was supposed to feel that way.
00:02:56.000 It was not clear to what she was referencing.
00:02:59.000 So now, Tennessee Governor Bill Lee is pausing all executions this year, calling for a comprehensive third party review of Pike's execution.
00:03:05.000 Okay, so first of all, let's just talk about the death penalty briefly as a moral matter.
00:03:09.000 The death penalty is entirely merited.
00:03:11.000 The death penalty is the proper punishment for people.
00:03:14.000 Who do egregious crimes of murder, egregious crimes of rape for a wide variety of reasons, not just deterrence.
00:03:21.000 The most obvious case for the death penalty is that people deserve it.
00:03:26.000 And the reason that you deserve it is because, again, the way that criminal justice has worked in societies going back legitimately millennia is that if somebody kills a member of your family, you then go and kill a member of their family.
00:03:37.000 And the monopoly on legitimate use of force being delegated to the state means that there must be a punishment commensurate with the crime to prevent us from falling into vengeful tribalism.
00:03:47.000 That is the basis of the death penalty, and that still holds today.
00:03:50.000 Second, there are certain things that are so morally egregious that you deserve to not be breathing the same air as the rest of us.
00:03:55.000 It seems to me that murdering a woman and bashing her skull and then keeping a piece of it probably falls into that category.
00:04:04.000 With that said, it is kind of incredible that we have come up with methods of execution that apparently are so humane that they don't actually kill the person.
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00:05:12.000 Well, the split between left and right on immigration continues to boggle the mind.
00:05:16.000 This is why, for whatever issues you have with the Trump administration, the fact that there is still a left that wishes to just open the borders is kind of astonishing.
00:05:27.000 The Department of Homeland Security head Mark Wayne Mullen says, I'm confused.
00:05:31.000 Why is securing our borders controversial?
00:05:33.000 None of this should be a Republican thing or a Democrat thing.
00:05:36.000 Why would protecting the homeland, why would securing our elections be controversial?
00:05:44.000 Nothing about that makes sense unless it's just a political talking point.
00:05:48.000 What we do at the Department of Homeland Security is not controversial.
00:05:52.000 We're enforcing our nation's laws.
00:05:54.000 We're enforcing the laws that Congress passed.
00:05:57.000 And yet they're the ones that are complaining about us enforcing their laws.
00:06:00.000 They also have the ability to change the laws that they choose to.
00:06:05.000 And if they change them, guess what?
00:06:07.000 Department of Homeland Security will enforce those laws when they become laws.
00:06:11.000 He is right.
00:06:12.000 But again, Democrats are stumping for an open border.
00:06:14.000 Brad Lander, who again is part of the Zoran Momdani far left squad and he's going to end up in Congress, he says that the path to safety in the United States is inviting strangers in.
00:06:27.000 I don't think that's the path to safety.
00:06:30.000 They really, here we go.
00:06:33.000 Okay, I get why you might think the path to safety is thicker walls and better locks and maybe like guns and bombs, but that's a mirage.
00:06:44.000 The path to safety is recognizing your fragility and then inviting your neighbors in, guests in, and strangers in, because that's how we'll build a safe world.
00:06:56.000 Like it really is the path we believe in.
00:06:59.000 That guy's psycho.
00:07:01.000 That guy is psycho.
00:07:02.000 I promise you that if you, on a personal level, invite strangers into your house and you think this is the path to safety, that is really, really, really nuts.
00:07:13.000 It is just nuts.
00:07:14.000 And again, Brad Lander is going to be in Congress.
00:07:16.000 Like, this is crazy.
00:07:17.000 The Democratic Party has lost their ever loving mind in a wide variety of ways.
00:07:21.000 Well, Steve Hilton, who is running a heroic but obviously doomed race in California against Xavier, but I say that with no upset at Steve for running it.
00:07:30.000 It's great that he's running.
00:07:31.000 The chances, of course, that Steve wins in California are slim and none.
00:07:35.000 But it's fun to watch him run rings around Xavier Becerra.
00:07:37.000 Here he was in a debate with Xavier Becerra, who was the former head of health and human services under Joe Biden, who lost contact with more than 85,000 unaccompanied migrant children.
00:07:46.000 Here was Steve Hilton smacking him around over it.
00:07:49.000 I cannot believe that you're standing there trying to make these arguments when you were HHS Secretary.
00:07:57.000 You were responsible for 479,000 unaccompanied migrant children and for their welfare in camps that you ran.
00:08:07.000 You sent them because you dismantled the vetting that should have made sure that they were with a safe, protective family or sponsor.
00:08:16.000 You sent thousands of young children directly.
00:08:21.000 Into the clutches of child sex and labor traffickers.
00:08:25.000 Hundreds of thousands of children that you were responsible for are still missing today.
00:08:33.000 And he is not wrong about that.
00:08:35.000 Xavier Becerra, he immediately comes back from that accusation by just calling Steve Hilton a racist on the basis of literally nothing.
00:08:43.000 California welcomed you into California and you welcomed ICE mercenaries into our state in return.
00:08:50.000 How do you square that?
00:08:52.000 You know, you're an immigrant.
00:08:53.000 I have fought all my life.
00:08:55.000 To make life better for immigrants, to represent them well, to defend them, to let them grow and build like my parents.
00:09:01.000 But here's the problem I have with your policies.
00:09:04.000 You seem to welcome immigrants who look like you, but deport immigrants who look like me.
00:09:12.000 Why is he making it into a racial thing?
00:09:15.000 Why is he making it a racial thing?
00:09:17.000 Again, this is all the left has.
00:09:18.000 They truly believe that immigration restrictionism is inherently racist, which is, of course, totally nuts.
00:09:24.000 It is totally crazy.
00:09:25.000 Well, I wish to end today with a reminder.
00:09:27.000 That the Democrats continue to run nut jobs in pretty much every major race.
00:09:31.000 Troy Jackson is running in Maine.
00:09:32.000 And again, Troy Jackson, if they found bodies in his basement, it would not surprise me in any way, shape, or form.
00:09:40.000 So, Troy Jackson says that he's upset at the Jews in Maine because those darn Jews won't call what happened in Israel a genocide.
00:09:48.000 It's unfortunate that there are people here in Maine that don't like to use that term only because they're Jewish and what that means to them with the Holocaust.
00:10:00.000 You know, it fits that description.
00:10:02.000 And, you know, it is.
00:10:04.000 It's an unbelievable thing that's happened there that people that are innocent are being murdered.
00:10:10.000 And it is a genocide.
00:10:11.000 Even though Hamas and Gaza started the war by massacring 1,200 Israelis, many civilians, women, and children.
00:10:18.000 You could argue the same thing for Hamas, too.
00:10:21.000 Those darn Jews and their refusal to say lies about Jewish people.
00:10:24.000 Like, it's just terrible.
00:10:25.000 It's just terrible.
00:10:26.000 I can't believe this is the person they chose, this weirdo.
00:10:31.000 And, you know, again, he could end up in the Senate.
00:10:35.000 Americans do better, please.
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