The Ben Shapiro Show - The Chinese Virus | Ep. 974

00:00:00.000 New information emerges on coronavirus as countries around the world lock down.

00:00:04.000 The U.S.

00:00:04.000 ramps up its own response and China tries to avoid the consequences of its own evil government.

00:00:09.000 I'm Ben Shapiro.

00:00:09.000 This is The Ben Shapiro Show.

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00:00:23.000 We're going to get to all the news in just one second.

00:00:26.000 And as always, plenty of news there is.

00:00:29.000 As always, just going to remind you, we are all in this together, even if we are apart.

00:00:33.000 Don't worry.

00:00:33.000 We're going to make it through this.

00:00:34.000 There will be an end to this.

00:00:35.000 We're going to talk about when that end might come, what the projections are for, how long this lasts, what the measures are that are going to be taken, how long those will last, because right now there's a lot of uncertainty out there, a lot of misinformation out there.

00:00:46.000 We're going to get into it.

00:00:46.000 We're going to break all of it down.

00:00:48.000 But first, Let's talk about a simple fact.

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00:02:32.000 So, Let us begin with some new information on coronavirus.

00:02:38.000 One of the reasons the market is up and down and all around is because we have no idea what's going on.

00:02:42.000 Nobody knows anything.

00:02:43.000 Okay, that is the theme of today's show. 0.99

00:02:44.000 Nobody knows anything except that the Chinese government is going to have to be punished at some point for the evil they've inflicted on this planet and it is grave and it is ridiculous. 0.98

00:02:51.000 We'll get to the Chinese virus. 1.00

00:02:53.000 It is the Chinese virus.

00:02:54.000 That doesn't mean it has anything to do with Chinese people.

00:02:56.000 It doesn't have anything to do with racism. 0.99

00:02:58.000 Or ethnicity, it has to do with an awful evil communist Chinese virus. 1.00

00:03:02.000 Okay, the fact is this thing would not have been unleashed on the globe if it had not been for the malfeasance and evil action of the Chinese government, which has been a crap show since the revolution that Mao brought into place. 0.97

00:03:13.000 Okay, this is just an evil government and the fact that we have not treated it as such is one of the reasons we are now seeing the results that we are seeing globally today.

00:03:21.000 And we ought to be treating them as the global As the global threat that they are, and that means taking them a lot more serious than we have heretofore.

00:03:27.000 When we are out of this thing, there need be consequences for the Chinese government, serious consequences for the Chinese government.

00:03:33.000 We'll get to that a little bit later on in the show.

00:03:35.000 But first, we'll bring you some of the sort of miasma of information that is floating around.

00:03:38.000 So there's some good news and there's some bad news.

00:03:39.000 And there are all sorts of different estimates as to the path, the trajectory that this coronavirus is going to take.

00:03:44.000 Sharon Begley has an interesting piece today over at statnews.com talking about the death rates.

00:03:48.000 Now, I had suggested a couple of weeks ago the death rates were gonna be lower for coronavirus than were being bandied about.

00:03:54.000 The World Health Organization had originally suggested a 3.4% death rate for those inflicted with coronavirus.

00:04:00.000 I said at the time, this is way too high.

00:04:02.000 The Diamond Princess Cruise did not evidence that kind of death rate, even though you had 700 people in extraordinarily close quarters.

00:04:09.000 It didn't evidence a 70% infection rate.

00:04:11.000 It didn't evidence a 3.4% death rate.

00:04:13.000 Okay, well now we are finding that even in Wuhan province, where this thing started, those are not the death rates.

00:04:17.000 Sharon Begley writes, in a rare piece of good news about COVID-19, a team of infectious disease experts calculates that the fatality rate in people who have symptoms of the disease caused by the new coronavirus is about 1.4%, which is really high, right?

00:04:28.000 I mean, that is a lot higher than, for example, the seasonal flu, which is about 0.1%.

00:04:32.000 Although that estimate applies specifically to Wuhan, the Chinese city where the outbreak began, and is based on data from there, it offers a guide to the rest of the world where many countries might see even lower death rates.

00:04:41.000 The new figure is significantly below earlier estimates of 2% or 3%, well below the death rate for China based on simply dividing deaths by cases, which yields almost 4%.

00:04:49.000 It's still higher than the 0.1% death rate from seasonal flu, as I mentioned, but it does raise hopes that the worst consequence of the coronavirus will still remain uncommon.

00:04:58.000 Now, cutting against that optimism, because no one was immune to the new virus, the majority of the population will be infected absent the quick arrival of vaccine or drastic public health interventions such as closing public places and canceling public events.

00:05:08.000 Those same scientists conclude in a paper submitted to a journal, but not yet peer-reviewed.

00:05:12.000 So, there have been these estimates floating around that anywhere from 40 to 70% of the population may eventually get the coronavirus, eventually being the key word there, because if that happens over the course of a couple of years, Well, then that is not actually a health emergency.

00:05:23.000 It's just a bad situation.

00:05:25.000 A health emergency is everybody gets that within the next two months, right?

00:05:27.000 Then we are just swamped.

00:05:29.000 That's when that bell curve moves over the line, and the line representing the amount of medical capacity that we as a society have.

00:05:36.000 But if that is spaced out over the course of the next couple of years, then it just becomes a really, really horrible seasonal flu that takes a lot of people from us, but is not beyond our capacity to contain to a certain extent.

00:05:47.000 The expectation that a majority of the population will become infected reflects a worst-case scenario about who encounters whom, something modelers call homogenous mixing.

00:05:54.000 But even the more realistic assumption that not everyone mixes with everyone else means at least a quarter to a half of the population will very likely become infected absent social distancing measures or a vaccine, According to Joseph Wu and Cathy Leung of the University of Hong Kong, who are leaders in the modeling of infectious diseases.

00:06:08.000 Now, as I say, there is some controversy over exactly how long this thing is going to last and what level of infection is going to take place.

00:06:16.000 And also, this is leaving out the fact that treatments may in fact get better without even a vaccine.

00:06:21.000 For example, there's an article today in EN24 News talking about hydroxychloroquine.

00:06:27.000 which I believe is an antimalarial treatment, which is now starting to be used as a treatment for coronavirus.

00:06:33.000 Early indications, according to EN24, is that the treatment with hydroxychloroquine would reduce the load, and the results are even more promising with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin, an antibiotic effective against viruses.

00:06:46.000 So you might see some new results from particular drugs that are brought to bear that could lower the chances of death or severe impact of the virus, which, of course, would lower the death rate and make it less dangerous.

00:06:57.000 Meanwhile, there's an open debate as to how long this thing is going to last sort of in society generally, because while we are treating this virus as though it is going to just be with us basically forever, the hot zone of the virus or the hot period of the virus, it does have a rise and it does have a fall.

00:07:15.000 Okay?

00:07:16.000 Yesterday we had an expert from Johns Hopkins University on the radio show.

00:07:19.000 It served in both the Trump and the Obama administrations and he said that he thinks the thing's gonna peter out by May because there is sort of a three-month period that we've seen Where the case numbers rise and then they tend to tail off.

00:07:29.000 He says that these viruses tend to start off very hot and then they seem to cool down a little bit.

00:07:33.000 So there are some alarmist reports today about how easy it is to transmit.

00:07:38.000 It's one of the reasons why we're engaging in social distancing.

00:07:38.000 That's true.

00:07:40.000 It's one of the reasons why we are all staying home for the moment.

00:07:43.000 We'll get to some different responses from different countries in just a second because it is sort of a fascinating social experiment to see how different countries are treating coronavirus and what measures they are taking.

00:07:53.000 But, according to the New York Times, coronavirus can live for three days on some surfaces like plastic and steel, according to new research.

00:07:58.000 It's one of the reasons why gyms have been shut down.

00:08:00.000 Experts say the risk of consumers getting infected from touching those materials is still low, although they offered additional warnings about how long the virus survives in air, which may have important implications for medical workers.

00:08:10.000 The new study, published Tuesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, also suggests that the virus disintegrates over the course of a day on cardboard, lessening the worries that deliveries will spread the virus during this period of staying and working from home.

00:08:21.000 When the virus becomes suspended in droplets smaller than 5 micrometers, like aerosols, it can stay suspended for about half an hour before drifting down and settling on surfaces where it can linger for hours.

00:08:30.000 The finding on aerosol is inconsistent with the World Health Organization's position that the virus is not transported by air.

00:08:36.000 That would mean that it's a lot more easy to transmit if it's just hanging around in the air after somebody sneezes, for example.

00:08:41.000 The virus lives longest on plastic and steel.

00:08:43.000 It can survive for up to 72 hours, but the amount of viable virus decreases sharply over this time.

00:08:48.000 It also does poorly on copper, surviving for about four hours.

00:08:53.000 On cardboard, it can survive up to 24 hours, which suggests that packages that arrive in the mail should have only low levels of the virus unless the delivery person coughed or sneezed on it or handled it with contaminated hands, which is true in general.

00:09:04.000 Unless the people handling any of this stuff are sick, the actual risk of getting infected is incredibly low.

00:09:09.000 So, you know, there are people, I mean, I know somebody who's immunocompromised, and every time they have a package come in their house, they immediately wash it down with sort of a solution of diluted bleach.

00:09:18.000 If you're really paranoid about this stuff, or if you have an underlying health condition, if you're elderly, that might be something to consider at this point.

00:09:25.000 Now, with all of that said, there are wildly varying estimates on how durable this virus is gonna be over the course of time, which of course is the big question.

00:09:31.000 The reason the market dropped today, and the reason the markets are gonna continue to drop, is because the market, excuse me, is trying to Don't worry.

00:09:39.000 We disinfect everything here.

00:09:40.000 People are far away from me.

00:09:41.000 I'm alone in the studio, guys.

00:09:42.000 When I cough, no one's getting dead.

00:09:44.000 Okay, so, the... But when we talk about...

00:09:48.000 When we talk about the path that this virus is taking, there are these widely variant estimates.

00:09:53.000 So, for example, there's an Israeli Nobel laureate named Michael Levitt.

00:09:56.000 He won the 2013 Nobel Prize in Chemistry.

00:09:59.000 He's praising Israel.

00:10:00.000 Israel has taken preventative measures.

00:10:01.000 They've basically locked everybody in their house.

00:10:03.000 He said most people are naturally immune to the disease.

00:10:05.000 He said the infection rate in China is slowing down, so the end of the pandemic is near.

00:10:09.000 He said that he's an American-British-Israeli biophysicist.

00:10:13.000 He says that he crunched the numbers.

00:10:17.000 And he said, he wrote to his friends in Hubei province.

00:10:21.000 He said, when they answered us describing how complicated their situation was, I decided to take a deeper look at the numbers in the hope of reaching some conclusion.

00:10:27.000 The rate of infection of the virus in the Hubei province increased by 30% each day, which is a scary statistic.

00:10:32.000 He said, I'm not an influenza expert, but I can analyze numbers.

00:10:34.000 That is exponential growth.

00:10:35.000 Had the growth continued at that rate, the whole world would have become infected within 90 days.

00:10:40.000 But as Levitt continued to process the numbers, the pattern changed.

00:10:42.000 On February 1st, when he first looked at the stats, Hubei province had 1,800 new cases a day.

00:10:46.000 By February 6th, the number had reached 4,700 new cases a day.

00:10:50.000 On February 7th, something changed.

00:10:51.000 He said the number of new infections started to drop linearly and did not stop.

00:10:55.000 A week later, the same happened with the number of deaths.

00:10:57.000 This dramatic change in the curve marked the median point and enabled better prediction of when the pandemic will end.

00:11:01.000 Based on that, I concluded that the situation in all of China will improve within two weeks.

00:11:05.000 And indeed, now there are very few new infection cases.

00:11:08.000 As we'll see, maybe the Chinese government is just lying about all of that.

00:11:10.000 Maybe there are new infection cases in China.

00:11:13.000 But, by best available data, which is the data that was presented to Levitt, he says this thing will slow and stop within weeks.

00:11:19.000 Levitt likened the trend to diminishing interest rates.

00:11:21.000 He says if a person receives a 30% interest rate on their savings on day one, a 29% rate on day two, and so on, you understand that eventually you're not going to earn very much.

00:11:29.000 Similarly, although new cases are being reported in China, they represent a fraction of those reported in the early stages.

00:11:34.000 He said, even if the interest rate keeps dropping, you can still make money.

00:11:36.000 The sum you invested doesn't lessen, it just grows more slowly.

00:11:39.000 When we discuss diseases, it frightens people a lot because they keep hearing about new cases every day.

00:11:43.000 But the fact that the infection rate is slowing down means the end of the pandemic is near.

00:11:47.000 Levitt predicts that the virus will likely disappear from China basically entirely by the end of March.

00:11:53.000 So he's not dismissive of the precautions.

00:11:55.000 He says that you still have to keep the precautions because that is one of the things that is allowing time for this thing to burn out.

00:12:00.000 He says that Italy's higher death rate than places like China or South Korea.

00:12:04.000 He says that's due to the fact that elderly people make up a greater percentage of the population.

00:12:08.000 Also, he says Italian culture is very warm.

00:12:10.000 Italians have a very rich social life.

00:12:11.000 This is true.

00:12:13.000 Contrary to sort of common sense, the fact is that people who actually have richer social lives are more likely to get this thing.

00:12:20.000 Okay, so if you were a shut-in, now is a great time to be a shut-in.

00:12:23.000 Now's a great time to be a person who habitually washed their hands too much.

00:12:28.000 Okay, the fact is that Italian culture does have a lot of cross-generational pollination.

00:12:31.000 That's one of the reasons why young people are bringing the disease to their elderly grandparents. 0.98

00:12:35.000 So that is one estimate.

00:12:37.000 Then you have the estimate from Ezekiel, Emmanuel, Susan Ellenberg, and Michael Levy.

00:12:40.000 We'll get to that in just one second because their estimate is very different and it's this sort of uncertainty that is leading to the vast amount of justified unease.

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00:13:58.000 Okay, so one estimate basically says that in China this thing's gonna be alleviated by March.

00:14:02.000 Considering it started in mid to late December and alleviated by March, what you'd expect in the United States is that this thing started in early March, late February.

00:14:11.000 You'd expect that presumably March, April, May.

00:14:13.000 That by May, which is exactly what this epidemiologist from Johns Hopkins told me yesterday on the show, That by May, this thing is going to start to let up.

00:14:23.000 Ezekiel, Emmanuel, Susan Ellenberg, and Michael Levy, these are all various doctors.

00:14:28.000 Emmanuel is an oncologist and medical ethicist.

00:14:30.000 Ellenberg is a biostatistician.

00:14:31.000 Dr. Levy is an epidemiologist at University of Pennsylvania.

00:14:34.000 They have a piece titled, The Coronavirus is Here to Stay, So What Happens Next?

00:14:38.000 And they say that there may be variant rounds of social distancing and business shutdowns and all the rest.

00:14:44.000 By the way, worth noting, it is kind of weird to hear this sort of stuff from Ezekiel Emanuel, who wrote a piece in The Atlantic, what, five, six years ago during the Obama administration, talking about how he would like to die at age 80.

00:14:54.000 The virus is killing mainly people who are above the age of 70.

00:14:56.000 So suddenly, Ezekiel Emanuel is having second thoughts about the whole everyone above 80 should just die routine.

00:15:02.000 In any case, this piece in The New York Times says, In the last few days, most Americans, even President Trump, have come to terms with the need for social distancing.

00:15:07.000 Though they feel fine, they're staying home and developing new routines, killing time baking, binge watching, figuring out how to homeschool their kids.

00:15:13.000 It took far too long for Americans to accept how serious coronavirus is.

00:15:17.000 Now that we've finally taken the necessary measures in many places to close schools, offices, restaurants, and other businesses, people are asking how soon will it all be over?

00:15:23.000 Two weeks?

00:15:24.000 Four weeks?

00:15:24.000 When can we go back to normal?

00:15:26.000 They say, unfortunately, normal is a long way off.

00:15:28.000 We need to be thinking in terms of months, not weeks.

00:15:30.000 We need to stop picturing that ubiquitous flat in the curve chart and start imagining a roller coaster.

00:15:35.000 They say social distancing works, which is true.

00:15:37.000 They say as China, South Korea, and other countries have demonstrated, it's possible to slow the spread of the virus and limit how many people are infected at one time.

00:15:44.000 This will keep hospitals from being overwhelmed with patients so that those who are sick can be treated competently and compassionately.

00:15:49.000 And this is already apparently rearing its ugly head in New York City where there's a shortage of ICU beds and ventilators.

00:15:54.000 Apparently there are messages going around last night from at least one person I'd heard of in a hospital who is suggesting the medical ethics boards were having to decide who to give a ventilator, a person who is elderly with cancer or a person who is young with coronavirus.

00:16:06.000 No one knows for sure how long social distancing will have to last to reduce the spread to near zero.

00:16:10.000 If South Korea and China are appropriate exemplars, we'll need to stay apart now for at least eight weeks and maybe more.

00:16:14.000 China locked down Wuhan and other cities in Hubei province January 23rd.

00:16:18.000 Today, provincial officials are reporting few or no cases of the virus.

00:16:21.000 Just a few days ago, they closed the last of their 16 makeshift emergency hospitals.

00:16:25.000 Restrictions are easing.

00:16:26.000 Schools and offices are slowly opening.

00:16:27.000 People are beginning to go out and see other people.

00:16:30.000 That timeline, says Ezekiel Emanuel, suggests your kids are not going back to school April 1st, nor are you returning to the office or catching a movie anytime soon.

00:16:37.000 Plan for social distancing at least until mid or late May.

00:16:39.000 Be thankful if it eases off earlier.

00:16:41.000 Now again, that's sort of what I suggested earlier, that we are talking about an eight-week period here of social distancing, an eight-week period where you're working from home as much as possible.

00:16:50.000 When can we expect that Americans slowly emerge from their homes? 1.00

00:16:53.000 Like much of the novel virus, say Ezekiel Emanuel, as well as these other doctors, we don't know for sure.

00:16:58.000 A likely scenario is there will be a subsequent wave of the disease.

00:17:00.000 That's what happened in Denver in the flu outbreak, the Spanish flu pandemic, and Toronto during the 2003 SARS outbreak.

00:17:08.000 Over the next few months, South Korea, China, other countries will generate some relevant evidence to show how this might play out.

00:17:13.000 They say the reality is that influenza and most cold viruses wane in the summer, but they do so in part because a lot of people catch them in the winter.

00:17:19.000 Since we've never been infected with this coronavirus before, there's no acquired immunity, so we don't know that there will be a seasonal reprieve.

00:17:24.000 Although it is true that there has been a seasonal reprieve in some of the more equatorial countries that are seeing the transmission of coronavirus.

00:17:33.000 They say the irony of successful social distancing is that fewer will develop immunity, which means that social distancing 2.0, 3.0, maybe even 4.0 will likely have to occur.

00:17:42.000 They say the next round of social distancing will be activated more rapidly because officials and the public will be more prepared.

00:17:47.000 It should also be shorter because fewer people are going to be likely to be infected, but it will still disrupt people's lives and the economy will have canceled conferences and sporting events.

00:17:54.000 People will not frequent restaurants and will not travel.

00:17:56.000 The service industry will be severely curtailed.

00:17:58.000 It's going to happen again and again.

00:18:00.000 So I think this is probably true, but this does raise the question as to how long Americans are going to undergo the harshness of the of the current regime, which is basically everybody stay home and never come out of your houses again.

00:18:12.000 I don't think Americans are going to live with that for indefinite periods of time.

00:18:16.000 If you tell people that eight weeks is sort of the outer limit of that, which is sort of what Ezekiel Emanuel is saying, and then you say, and here's our plan beyond eight weeks.

00:18:23.000 I think people will feel a lot more secure.

00:18:24.000 The markets will feel a lot more secure.

00:18:26.000 So we'll talk in just a second about exactly what that policy would look like.

00:18:31.000 Internationally, everybody is locking down.

00:18:33.000 I made the mistake yesterday of suggesting that Denmark was not locking down.

00:18:35.000 They've actually taken some significant measures, particularly in the last week and a half.

00:18:38.000 In order to lock down in the same way that other countries are locking down as well.

00:18:43.000 Israel is now completely locking down.

00:18:45.000 The government rolled out a new set of restrictions on the Israeli population Tuesday.

00:18:49.000 They have 427 coronavirus patients in Israel.

00:18:51.000 They've not yet had a death in Israel.

00:18:54.000 Bibi Netanyahu, the Prime Minister, he said, we started today using digital technology that detects those who come in contact with coronavirus patients.

00:18:59.000 We'll send those people into isolation.

00:19:01.000 These will be large numbers.

00:19:02.000 Isolation is not a recommendation.

00:19:03.000 It is mandatory.

00:19:04.000 We will enforce it without compromise.

00:19:06.000 He committed to dramatically increasing the number of people tested for coronavirus to the largest number per capita in the world.

00:19:12.000 He says he expects between 3,000 and 5,000 tests to be taken per day comparing Israel to South Korea.

00:19:16.000 And this does bring up the policy that South Korea has actually followed.

00:19:21.000 Because South Korea has had a different policy than a lot of these other countries.

00:19:25.000 France is now in the middle of a complete lockdown.

00:19:28.000 Emmanuel Macron, the president, called for citizens to restrict themselves from taking unnecessary trips outside their homes for at least two weeks.

00:19:34.000 So everybody is sort of pursuing the lock everything down routine.

00:19:37.000 That didn't actually happen in South Korea.

00:19:39.000 The reason being, in South Korea, they had vast numbers of tests available.

00:19:44.000 If we'd had vast numbers of tests available, it would have made an enormous, enormous difference.

00:19:48.000 In just a second, I'm going to explain how the South Korean example worked and how it could work in the future, right?

00:19:53.000 After we let this thing up in May, then the new model is going to have to be, obviously, we have to have more flexibility with our ICU beds, but maybe we can then apply the South Korean model because we'll have the resources, we'll have the tests available.

00:20:04.000 We'll talk about what South Korea actually did.

00:20:06.000 And how their economy has continued to actually operate in the middle of all this as opposed to completely shutting down the American economy, which is exactly what's going on right now, which is going to lead to some pretty dire consequences.

00:20:17.000 Again, I think the American people are willing to shut down the economy temporarily.

00:20:19.000 We are not willing to shut down the economy for 12 to 18 months.

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00:20:24.000 At a certain point, we all become wards of the state.

00:20:27.000 And at that point, it's going to be very difficult to reverse back into the most powerful economy in the history of the world.

00:20:33.000 It's also going to be very difficult to regain a lot of the economic freedoms that we have traditionally relied upon.

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00:20:38.000 We'll get to all that in just a little bit first.

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00:21:58.000 Okay, so how does South Korea handle all of this?

00:22:05.000 Well, according to an article from the American Institute of Economic Research, there's an article by Peter Earle over there talking about how South Korea took a different tack than a lot of other countries.

00:22:16.000 He said, South Korea has seen a steady decrease in new coronavirus cases for the latter half of the last week.

00:22:22.000 The country had the fourth most cases of coronavirus in the world.

00:22:24.000 There were no geographic quarantines enforced by armed guards.

00:22:27.000 Instead, the sole focus was on widespread testing and isolating the sick.

00:22:30.000 After averaging over 500 new cases per day back to the last week of February, between Friday and Sunday, the daily totals numbered 438, 367, and 248, according to the Korea Center for Disease Control.

00:22:40.000 How is it that without deploying the military or imposing widespread enforced quarantine, The spread of coronavirus in South Korea is apparently slowing.

00:22:48.000 Actually, there's a better question.

00:22:49.000 Why should the U.S.

00:22:49.000 copy China rather than South Korea?

00:22:51.000 The United States is deep in the throes of an election season at present, and so haughty invokings of the Constitution and Declaration of Independence are recurrent.

00:22:58.000 Of course, talk is generally cheap, all the cheaper when coming from the mouths of politicians.

00:23:02.000 South Korea...

00:23:04.000 is operating in a freer way than China.

00:23:05.000 South Korea is leveraging private property rights to thwart the spread of the virus.

00:23:09.000 Building owners have been posting and enforcing no mask, no entry signs.

00:23:12.000 Drive-through testing stations have been set up nationwide, through which individuals, after a 10-minute test, are notified within a few hours if they're infected.

00:23:18.000 A voluntary self-diagnosis phone app was created in the early stages of the pandemic.

00:23:22.000 Living and treatment centers were set up in a soft quarantine spirit.

00:23:26.000 Mostly, South Koreans are acting based on their experience with the H1N1 pandemic in 2009.

00:23:31.000 They're washing their hands frequently, making an effort not to touch their faces, wearing masks, and social distancing to the extent possible.

00:23:36.000 The high level of personal technology and access in South Korea makes the latter most eminently practicable, given the ubiquity of video telecommunications and other such technologies.

00:23:46.000 This columnist for AIER says it's true that certain aspects of South Korea's handling of the outbreak nevertheless infringes upon individual rights, in particular where privacy is concerned because they're using camera surveillance and tracking cell phone and banking activities of people who may have coronavirus, but that's a hell of a lot less restrictive than everybody go home and stay home forever.

00:24:04.000 So the premise of the South Korean government approach, according to Vice Health Minister Kim Ganglip, was, quote, without harming the principle of a transparent and open society, we recommend a response system that blends voluntary public participation with creative applications of advanced technology.

00:24:19.000 And South Korea has handled this without shutting down their economy in the same way that we are currently shutting down our economy.

00:24:25.000 It also demonstrates the foolishness of all of the advice that you were getting not to wear a face mask early on.

00:24:30.000 There's a difference between the medical-grade face masks that were in short supply and are needed by doctors and the face masks that you wear when you go to the hospital, you know, basically just a piece of cloth with some loops for your ears.

00:24:41.000 That's not what we're talking about when we say the doctors need medical masks.

00:24:43.000 Those are not the same types of masks.

00:24:45.000 South Korea has been applying those masks in public for a very long time.

00:24:48.000 The reason is not because it's going to prevent you from getting coronavirus, it's because it's going to prevent you from transmitting coronavirus, because the orifice is most likely to generate the germs on your nose and your mouth.

00:24:57.000 Zeynep Tufekci is a professor of information science specializing in social effects of technology, has a piece at the New York Times saying exactly this today, saying why telling people they don't need masks backfired.

00:25:09.000 As the pandemic rages on, there will be many difficult messages for the public, says this columnist.

00:25:12.000 Unfortunately, the top-down conversation around masks has become a case study in how not to communicate with the public, especially now that traditional gatekeepers like media and health authorities have much less control.

00:25:21.000 The message became counterproductive, may have encouraged even more hoarding, because it seemed as though authorities were shaping the message around managing scarcity, rather than confronting the reality of the situation.

00:25:30.000 First, many health experts, including the Surgeon General, told the public simultaneously that masks weren't necessary for protecting the general public and that healthcare workers needed the dwindling supply.

00:25:39.000 This contradiction obviously confused the ordinary listener.

00:25:42.000 Why is it that healthcare workers need it, but I don't?

00:25:44.000 Second, there were attempts to bolster the first message that ordinary people didn't need masks by telling people that masks, especially medical-grade respirator masks like the N95, needed proper fitting and that ordinary people without such fitting wouldn't benefit.

00:25:55.000 Again, that is deeply counterproductive.

00:25:57.000 Many people wash their hands wrong.

00:25:58.000 We don't tell them not to bother washing their hands.

00:26:01.000 And then, of course, masks work.

00:26:02.000 Maybe not perfectly, and not all to the same degree, but they do provide some protection.

00:26:05.000 Their use has always been advised as part of the standard response to being around infected people, especially for people who may be vulnerable.

00:26:11.000 WHO officials wear masks during their news briefings.

00:26:14.000 That was the reason I bought a few in early January.

00:26:16.000 I'd been conducting research in Hong Kong, which has a lot of contact with mainland China, and expected to go back.

00:26:21.000 I had studied, says this columnist, and taught about the sociology of pandemics and knew from the SARS experience in 2003 that health officials in many high-risk Asian countries had advised wearing masks.

00:26:30.000 It's true the masks don't work perfectly, that they don't replace hand-washing and social distancing, that they work better if they fit properly.

00:26:36.000 And surgical masks, which are the disposable type that I'm talking about, don't filter out small viral particles the way medical grade Masks do, but even surgical masks protect a bit more than not wearing masks at all.

00:26:47.000 We know from flu research that mask wearing can help decrease transmission rates, along with frequent hand washing and social distancing.

00:26:53.000 Now that we're facing a respirator mask shortage, the Federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is recommending that surgical masks are an acceptable alternative for healthcare workers, again, obviously, because some protection, even if imperfect, is better than none.

00:27:06.000 Fourth, the WHO and CDC told the public to wear masks if they were sick.

00:27:09.000 So again, there are all these conflicting messages.

00:27:12.000 Here's the bottom line.

00:27:13.000 Moving forward, after this thing alleviates and people go back to work, here's what we're gonna need.

00:27:17.000 We're gonna need the widespread availability of testing so that you can get tested quickly and then you can isolate fast.

00:27:23.000 We are going to need people to continue social distancing.

00:27:26.000 We are going to need those who can telecommute and do telehealth to do that.

00:27:30.000 We are going to need people to wear masks.

00:27:32.000 That is going to be something that we probably are going to need.

00:27:34.000 These sort of long-term policies are going to be useful.

00:27:38.000 The South Korean strategy becomes viable when those resources are available.

00:27:41.000 But the South Korean strategy was not viable and is not viable in the United States because, number one, people don't have the masks.

00:27:46.000 Number two, we don't actually have the capacity at this point to give those widespread tests.

00:27:50.000 But this is why the government policy needs to be generated right now toward making all this stuff available, right?

00:27:57.000 We need more ICU beds.

00:27:58.000 We need widespread testing.

00:28:00.000 And then when we get back to regular life, the economy can continue functioning again.

00:28:04.000 Okay, meanwhile, the United States government is taking new measures.

00:28:07.000 The U.S.

00:28:08.000 is planning to swiftly turn back people entering from Mexico illegally.

00:28:11.000 According to the New York Times, the Trump administration plans to immediately turn back all asylum seekers and other foreigners attempting to enter the U.S.

00:28:17.000 from Mexico illegally.

00:28:18.000 Saying the nation cannot risk allowing the coronavirus to spread through detention facilities and border patrol agents, according to four administration officials.

00:28:26.000 Those administration officials said ports of entry would remain open to American citizens, green card holders, and foreigners.

00:28:31.000 With proper documentation, some foreigners would be blocked, including Europeans currently subject to earlier travel restrictions imposed by the administration.

00:28:38.000 Points of entry will also be open to commercial traffic, but Border Patrol agents are going to immediately return anyone to Mexico who attempts to cross the southwestern border.

00:28:46.000 By the way, we are also closing our borders to Canada, so stop calling this racist because it simply is not.

00:28:52.000 Meanwhile, the United States has reported its 100th death.

00:28:55.000 We are now up to, at current count, and again, this is just at the present time, we're now up to 115 deaths or so, somewhere in that neighborhood.

00:29:05.000 In the United States, we saw a jump in New York last night, 16 deaths in New York last night.

00:29:11.000 The Trump administration is also moving to enlist more agencies in a whole-of-government response to the virus.

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00:30:22.000 Okay, we're gonna get to more of the news.

00:30:24.000 Plus, we have to get to what we're gonna do with the Chinese government.

00:30:28.000 Okay, the Chinese government is responsible for this. 0.98

00:30:29.000 Everybody who keeps saying, don't say Wuhan flu, don't say Kung flu, don't say Chinese virus, shut the hell up. 1.00

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00:30:36.000 It's ridiculous. 0.99

00:30:37.000 The Chinese government is responsible for this. 1.00

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00:30:50.000 And you're too busy in your politically correct bizarre universe to actually look at the reality.

00:30:55.000 We'll get to that in just a second.

00:30:56.000 First, I hope you've had a chance to see some of our new content we started this week called All Access Live over at DailyWire.com.

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00:32:10.000 So more on the federal response...

00:32:18.000 So the Trump administration is now starting to activate various branches of the federal government.

00:32:23.000 The New York State government is pleading for help from the Army Corps of Engineers.

00:32:27.000 to quickly build hospitals.

00:32:28.000 Oregon's governor repeatedly pressed the Department of Health and Human Services for hundreds of thousands of respirators, gowns, gloves, face shields, goggles.

00:32:34.000 President Trump is enlisting much of the government in what the White House had called for weeks a whole-of-government approach to the rampaging coronavirus.

00:32:40.000 He says we're starting the process.

00:32:42.000 Now, presumably, that should have started weeks ago, obviously.

00:32:44.000 And yes, there are going to be heads that have to roll in the federal government over the slow response over all this.

00:32:49.000 Yes, the lack of tests from January on is pretty much unforgivable.

00:32:53.000 If South Korea could turn out these tests, "Why could not the United States government "the most powerful force in the history of the world?

00:32:58.000 Why?

00:32:59.000 Why is that not a reality?

00:33:00.000 Why weren't the tests available?

00:33:01.000 And those are serious questions that are going to have to be asked.

00:33:04.000 We're going to have to ask why we weren't spending the last few weeks prepping the ICU beds that we all knew we were going to need.

00:33:09.000 But at least the shift is happening.

00:33:12.000 Apparently, an internal report from the DHS has concluded the pandemic will last 18 months or longer, could include multiple waves of illnesses.

00:33:22.000 The virus will cause significant shortages for government, private sector, individual U.S.

00:33:25.000 consumers, and coordination by the feds would be imperative, according to the document.

00:33:32.000 A lot of these various agencies were not brought into play until the last couple of days.

00:33:39.000 Hospital ships right now are at port.

00:33:40.000 The Department of Veterans Affairs awaits requests for help.

00:33:43.000 The Veterans Department has a surplus of beds in many of its 172 hospital centers, a robust number of special rooms for patients with breathing disorders, although If the media is pretending that those are going to be up to snuff in terms of the numbers we need, that is probably wrong.

00:33:54.000 The sprawling system of emergency doctors and nurses ready to be deployed by the Department of Health and Human Services, the National Disaster Medical System, is also still waiting for orders, other than to staff locations where passengers offloaded from cruise ships are being quarantined.

00:34:06.000 The Department of Defense, home to 1.3 million active duty troops, and a civilian and military infrastructure that has made planning for national emergencies almost an art form, has yet to be deployed to its fullest capacities.

00:34:15.000 Again, all of this is incredibly fluid.

00:34:18.000 All of this is incredibly fluid.

00:34:20.000 Now, the New York Times suggests that this is the fault of the Trump administration.

00:34:24.000 They point out that President Obama dispatched 3,000 American troops to Liberia to build hospitals and treatment centers to help fight Ebola.

00:34:30.000 That's true.

00:34:31.000 It's also a lot easier to figure out where exactly you're going to send your troops when all you have to do is send them to a foreign country and then ask the government there where to send them.

00:34:39.000 Presumably, we're going to do the same thing here.

00:34:40.000 The Pentagon opened a joint command operation at a hotel in Liberia's capital to coordinate the international effort.

00:34:45.000 So they're trying to say that Obama did a great job with Ebola, whereas we're doing a crappy job with coronavirus.

00:34:50.000 These are not the same thing at all.

00:34:51.000 Okay, an outbreak in a foreign country that is a lot smaller than the United States, and where you don't have to try and figure out which citizens to protect and which ones not to protect, a lot less difficult than what the federal government is trying right now.

00:35:03.000 Defense Secretary Mark Esper said on Tuesday, the Pentagon will make available to the Department of Health and Human Services up to 5 million N95 masks, which can be used to help protect health workers and vulnerable people against the virus.

00:35:13.000 The first million are going to be available immediately.

00:35:15.000 Now, why that wasn't done weeks ago is beyond me.

00:35:18.000 The Pentagon is also making available 2,000 ventilators for hospitals, which is not putting a serious dent in what is needed at this point.

00:35:27.000 But bottom line is that it is late, but it is happening.

00:35:30.000 At least the federal government is doing what it can do at this point.

00:35:34.000 Now, meanwhile, on the local level, Bill de Blasio is fighting with Andrew Cuomo.

00:35:37.000 Bill de Blasio is saying maybe we need an entire shelter-in-place order.

00:35:42.000 One of the things that we have to be careful of is letting the evidence lead us where we're supposed to go in terms of actual public action.

00:35:49.000 Because San Francisco declared a shelter-in-place order, now every mayor in the United States basically has an incentive to double down on what is the most restrictive possible thing to do.

00:35:57.000 And so we have to determine whether that is actually useful or whether it is not useful.

00:36:01.000 There hasn't been much of a debate so far as to what's useful and what's not useful.

00:36:04.000 Everybody just snaps to, okay, we got to do something and we got to do something significant.

00:36:07.000 And I think that that's probably right in terms of instinct.

00:36:09.000 But as time passes, the question is to whether you need to actually tell people that social distancing is not enough, that it's not enough to tell people not to go to restaurants, that we actually have to force people to stay in their homes for prolonged periods of time.

00:36:22.000 How that lasts for eight weeks, honestly, like just on a realistic level, it's going to be very difficult to police all this.

00:36:30.000 And I do have to note that the insanity of the fact that the New York City government right now is telling everybody that they may have to shelter in place while the Brooklyn District Attorney, Eric Gonzalez, attorney, Eric Gonzalez, is publicly announcing that his office will immediately stop prosecuting low-level nonviolent offenses and will consider freeing jailed suspects who are vulnerable to infection.

00:36:49.000 I don't know how you simultaneously hold those positions.

00:36:52.000 You're telling people you're going to prosecute them if they go open their restaurant, but if you decide to break into the restaurant and steal cash from the tiller, you won't be prosecuted.

00:36:58.000 How is that not a perverse incentive?

00:37:00.000 I mean, seriously, this is insane.

00:37:02.000 How can you have local governments announcing that if you commit a crime, it's going to be fine? 0.99

00:37:05.000 Like, at the very least, shut your face, dude.

00:37:07.000 Even if you're not going to enforce it, you seriously want to say openly? 0.60

00:37:10.000 I mean, what is this, the purge?

00:37:11.000 You want to say openly to criminals?

00:37:12.000 Guys, have at it.

00:37:14.000 We're not going to prosecute anything.

00:37:16.000 New York implemented decades ago the broken windows theory by James Q. Wilson, which suggested that policing of low-level crimes prevents the commission of larger-level crimes, and that is true.

00:37:25.000 Social science statistics prove this.

00:37:27.000 So I guess now New York, and apparently Philadelphia as well, they're pursuing a policy of go break the windows.

00:37:34.000 Go break the windows, we won't prosecute you.

00:37:36.000 What do they think that's going to do to crime levels?

00:37:37.000 And by the way, do you really believe that young people across the country Many of whom are impoverished are simply going to sit at home without any sort of social life.

00:37:50.000 They better come up with a better policy fast, is all I'm saying, because the policies that are being pursued by local governments are not workable.

00:37:55.000 These are not workable in the long term.

00:37:56.000 They may be workable for a period of time.

00:37:58.000 Law-abiding people will follow them, but we are now cracking down on all the law-abiding people while telling all the non-law-abiding people that we're not going to crack down on them.

00:38:05.000 I have no idea how that is possibly good policy.

00:38:08.000 It makes no sense at all.

00:38:09.000 It makes no sense at all.

00:38:10.000 Again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't stay at home.

00:38:12.000 I'm staying at home.

00:38:12.000 Right?

00:38:13.000 Everybody that, like seriously, like we're in LA.

00:38:15.000 Everybody's at home.

00:38:16.000 It's a zombie apocalypse out there.

00:38:17.000 There's no one on the roads.

00:38:18.000 And I think that in the short term, given the resources available, that is perfectly appropriate.

00:38:23.000 But how can you at the same time tell people that the cops are not going to enforce the law?

00:38:27.000 Are we insane here?

00:38:29.000 Brooklyn D.A.

00:38:30.000 VA spokesperson Orin Yaniv said, it's just a bunch of low-level offenses.

00:38:33.000 Basically anything where there's no kind of violence and no requirement to see a judge.

00:38:36.000 Really, the idea is just to decrease the number of people in the system. 0.99

00:38:39.000 Are you insane? 0.99

00:38:41.000 Like, what in the world? 1.00

00:38:43.000 So apparently we're now just going to release criminals into the wild, and that's not gonna have any downside.

00:38:49.000 Great stuff.

00:38:50.000 Great, great stuff.

00:38:52.000 Yeah, again, Philadelphia police are doing the same thing.

00:38:55.000 They're stopping low-level arrests to prevent jail overcrowding.

00:38:59.000 Nothing like incentivizing criminality to make everybody's life better in the midst of a pandemic.

00:39:05.000 And meanwhile, there's all of this ridiculous controversy Over what we label this thing.

00:39:12.000 President Trump suggested openly the other day that this is the Chinese virus and he was smacked for it.

00:39:17.000 And President Trump was asked about this yesterday.

00:39:19.000 He said, yeah, I'm going to continue to call it the Chinese virus because the Chinese government is responsible for all of this. 1.00

00:39:23.000 China and others have criticized you for using the phrase Chinese virus.

00:39:28.000 How do you feel about that?

00:39:29.000 Are you going to continue using that phrase?

00:39:32.000 Well, China was putting out information which was false, that our military gave this to them.

00:39:37.000 That was false.

00:39:39.000 And rather than having an argument, I said, I have to call it where it came from.

00:39:44.000 It did come from China.

00:39:45.000 So I think it's a very accurate term. 0.77

00:39:47.000 But no, I didn't appreciate the fact that China was saying that our military gave it to them.

00:39:51.000 Our military did not give it to anybody.

00:39:54.000 Critics say using our phrase creates a stigma.

00:39:58.000 No, I don't think so.

00:39:59.000 No, I think saying that our military gave it to them creates a stigma.

00:40:03.000 Correct, accurate, win for President Trump.

00:40:05.000 This is absolutely correct.

00:40:06.000 Okay, can we just be frank about this?

00:40:09.000 The Chinese government is responsible for this. 1.00

00:40:10.000 They're responsible for this at every level.

00:40:12.000 The Chinese government actively sought to silence people who are talking about the coronavirus.

00:40:16.000 They actively tried to arrest people.

00:40:18.000 They forced them to recant true statements about coronavirus.

00:40:20.000 Not only that, according to the UK, the Sunday Times, Chinese scientists destroyed proof of the virus in December.

00:40:29.000 According to the Times of London, Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year.

00:40:37.000 They were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples, and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

00:40:42.000 A regional health official in Wuhan, center of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1st.

00:40:50.000 China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

00:40:56.000 The detailed revelations by Cakes and Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.

00:41:04.000 By the way, the WHO bought this hook, line, and sinker.

00:41:07.000 The World Health Organization suggested in middle of January that coronavirus is not a threat because they had been informed of that by the Chinese government.

00:41:15.000 The Chinese government is responsible for this. 1.00

00:41:18.000 They are responsible for it from beginning to end.

00:41:21.000 The Chinese government attempted actively to silence doctors, warning others about the disease, according to the Washington Post.

00:41:26.000 As word of a mysterious virus mounted, Li Wenliang shared suspicions in a private chat with his fellow medical school graduates.

00:41:32.000 The doctor said seven people seemed to have contracted SARS, the respiratory illness from China that was sent to two dozen countries and left hundreds dead in the early 2000s.

00:41:40.000 He urged people to be careful.

00:41:42.000 Li and seven other doctors were quickly summoned by Chinese authorities for propagating rumors about SARS-like cases in the area.

00:41:47.000 The warnings were prescient. 0.57

00:41:48.000 Soon, health officials worldwide would be scrambling to combat a novel virus with a striking genetic resemblance to SARS.

00:41:54.000 As Jim Garrity says in National Review, Chinese authorities spent January denying it could spread between humans, something doctors had known was happening since late December.

00:42:01.000 Now we know they were destroying the proof, and went ahead with a Chinese Lunar New Year banquet involving tens of thousands of families in Wuhan.

00:42:08.000 Doctors say in Wuhan, people who had no connection to the Huanan market were among the first showing the symptoms.

00:42:13.000 So the Chinese authorities understood human-to-human transition was happening right from the very outset.

00:42:19.000 Even by the Chinese government's own accounts of events, President Xi Jinping knew about the disease for two weeks before making any public comments about it under fire.

00:42:26.000 For its response to the coronavirus epidemic, according to the New York Times, China's authoritarian government appears to be pushing a new account of events that presents President Xi Jinping as taking early action to fight the outbreak that has convulsed the country.

00:42:36.000 But in doing so, the authorities have acknowledged for the first time that Mr. Xi was aware of the epidemic and involved in the response nearly two weeks before he first spoke publicly about it and while people at the epicenter were still downplaying the dangers.

00:42:48.000 According to the Wall Street Journal, the Chinese government let some 5 million people leave Wuhan without screening.

00:42:55.000 Chinese medical authorities also banned staff from discussing the disease in public or via text or images.

00:43:01.000 Eight days after this ban went in place, a nurse in one of these departments started to feel sick, was confirmed she was infected by coronavirus.

00:43:08.000 By early March, three doctors at this particular hospital had died from the infection.

00:43:12.000 Even today, Chinese citizens who criticize the government are disappeared.

00:43:16.000 Okay, WeChat is currently banning Chinese Americans for talking about Hong Kong.

00:43:22.000 I mean, this is insane.

00:43:24.000 The Chinese government announced yesterday it's going to expel American journalists.

00:43:28.000 According to Mark Tracy, Edward Wong, and Lara Jakes, in a sharp escalation of tensions between the two superpowers, China announced on Tuesday it would expel American journalists working for The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and The Washington Post.

00:43:38.000 It also demanded that those outlets, as well as The Voice of America and Time Magazine, provide the Chinese government with detailed information about their operations.

00:43:44.000 The announcement was made by China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

00:43:47.000 They are blaming it on America booting out Chinese propagandists who have been claiming that America's military was behind this whole thing.

00:43:53.000 But in reality, is it possible that China is still covering this thing up?

00:43:57.000 Of course, it's highly possible is that China is still covering this thing up. 0.98

00:44:01.000 So I don't want to hear any of this crap from Stephen Colbert about how it's racist to call this the Chinese virus. 0.99

00:44:05.000 It is the Chinese government virus. 0.97

00:44:06.000 And furthermore, once this abates and once things start to go back to normal, The Trump administration should tell the Chinese government that the travel ban on Chinese citizens moving to and from the United States and on American citizens moving to and from China should continue until the Chinese authoritarian government shuts down these wet markets. 0.91

00:44:24.000 The wet markets are these animal markets where people are eating civets, people are eating bats, people are eating snakes.

00:44:31.000 This has now been responsible for swine flu, bird flu, SARS, H1N1 and this.

00:44:39.000 Okay, so we have seen virus after virus after virus emanating from these wet markets in China and the Chinese authoritarian government, which will jail you or maybe kill you, depending on what you say about the government or what you say about coronavirus.

00:44:51.000 They won't shut down these markets.

00:44:53.000 How is it that the international community is willing to allow a global pandemic to take place on its watch and the entire world economy is shuttered to a screeching halt?

00:45:00.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:45:02.000 The entire world economy is now stopped dead, like completely stopped dead.

00:45:06.000 All because China would not shut down the practice of people eating frickin' bats at the local markets. 0.85

00:45:13.000 This has been a problem for decades.

00:45:14.000 Okay, this is nothing new.

00:45:16.000 Going all the way back to the 1950s, there was an Asian flu, it was literally called the Asian flu, an Asian flu outbreak in the late 1950s, and it came from these animal markets. 0.99

00:45:24.000 The Chinese government is an authoritarian government.

00:45:26.000 At the very least, they should be outlawing these markets.

00:45:29.000 They should be prosecuting people who are selling exotic animals for people to eat.

00:45:33.000 And by the way, that's not cultural racism in any way. 1.00

00:45:36.000 Don't eat the fricking bats, you idiot! 1.00

00:45:38.000 I mean, seriously, how many lives would have been saved if the Chinese government had spent one ounce of its authoritarianism cracking down on perfectly illegal activity, or activity that ought to be illegal? 1.00

00:45:49.000 Like eating the local wildlife.

00:45:53.000 I mean, this is insane.

00:45:55.000 The Trump administration, the rest of the world should be on board for this too, honestly.

00:45:58.000 Like, can we all afford to do this once every four or five years?

00:46:01.000 Because that's the future.

00:46:02.000 The future is that once every four or five years, once every ten years, there will be another virus emanating from China, which has yet to shut down this stuff, and then has covered it up in authoritarian fashion, and they unleash it on an unsuspecting global community, and then all of the people in the media go, oh, it's so racist, it's so ethnically unpalatable to say this is the Chinese virus. 0.71

00:46:19.000 It has nothing to do with the skin color of the people or the location or the ethnicity of the people who are saying this stuff.

00:46:26.000 It has to do with the Chinese Communist authoritarian government, which has now unleashed for the one millionth time a virus on the rest of the world because they will not shut down what is obviously disgusting activity. 0.82

00:46:36.000 I'm sorry, it is disgusting to eat a civet. 0.86

00:46:38.000 Okay, it's gross.

00:46:39.000 Beyond being gross.

00:46:40.000 I don't care, you can do whatever is gross to your liking, okay?

00:46:43.000 I'm a libertarian on this stuff.

00:46:45.000 Except if they're externalities.

00:46:46.000 And it turns out, you eating a civet, you eating a pangolin, has some pretty significant externalities.

00:46:50.000 You think we're gonna lose $10 trillion in this economy because of this routine?

00:46:55.000 Seriously.

00:46:56.000 There better be some consequences to the Chinese government after all of this. 0.70

00:46:58.000 I mean, the stock market again is down below $20,000.

00:47:00.000 This is...

00:47:03.000 This is wild.

00:47:04.000 And our chief focus is Stephen Colbert sitting by his fireside in his nicely apportioned mansion, talking about how terrible it is to label this the Chinese virus. 0.98

00:47:11.000 Give me a freaking break. 0.97

00:47:13.000 Steve Mnuchin, the Treasury Secretary, is warning that this virus could yield a 20% jobless rate if we don't spend trillions of dollars. 0.94

00:47:21.000 Is that worth not punishing the Chinese government and forcing them to shut down these markets at the very least?

00:47:25.000 I mean, forget... I'm not even saying that we ought to force the Chinese government to openness.

00:47:29.000 I'm not even saying that we ought to root for the overthrow of the Chinese communist regime, which, by the way, we should.

00:47:33.000 I mean, it's an evil, evil regime.

00:47:35.000 Forget about what they do with the civets. 0.96

00:47:37.000 This is a regime that has overseen the forced sterilization of presumably tens of millions of women over the course of the last 30 years.

00:47:43.000 I mean, it's an evil government.

00:47:44.000 It is an evil government, just as evil as the Soviet Union, just nobody talks about it. 0.92

00:47:44.000 It is. 0.92

00:47:48.000 I mean, literally is evil.

00:47:49.000 The Great Leap Forward killed far more people than the Holodomor, the murder of millions in Ukraine by the Stalin regime. 0.66

00:47:57.000 This is an evil regime, and we've been treating it with kid gloves for years.

00:48:01.000 We should not be.

00:48:02.000 But put that aside, even if you're just talking about shutting down these ridiculous eating the exotic animals markets, we're going to go from a 3.5 unemployment rate in this country to a 20% unemployment rate in this country because China refused to crack down on people eating wild animals?

00:48:20.000 Here is Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin.

00:48:20.000 Seriously?

00:48:23.000 Apparently, he says that the jobless rate could hit 20% according to CNBC.

00:48:27.000 I'm told that in those meetings that the Treasury Secretary said that if Congress does not pass this package that unemployment could touch 20%.

00:48:38.000 Trying to highlight the dire consequences that could await this country if Congress does not actually move forward this package of unprecedented proportions that would deliver that money directly to Americans.

00:48:51.000 Okay, so the measures that are currently being taken by the federal government, by the way, include things like keeping that commercial paper window open, which is a good thing.

00:49:00.000 They're talking about floating cash to people so that they can make rent for the next couple of months.

00:49:05.000 There's been some talk, Andrew Ross Sorkin has a piece in the New York Times today suggesting that effectively the government floats zero interest loans for the next five years repayable to businesses that need them over the next few months.

00:49:18.000 And again, all of this I think should be off the table if it were not the government that were imposing the lockdown in the first place.

00:49:22.000 The government is imposing the lockdown in the first place.

00:49:24.000 That means that these businesses, normally the answer is like in 2007-2008, businesses that were poorly run and made bad decisions.

00:49:30.000 And then they're hit by a downturning economy that is not the result of an external shock or an internal shock directed by government.

00:49:37.000 Those businesses don't deserve a bailout.

00:49:39.000 But if you're talking about the federal government forcibly shutting down businesses, that is a different story.

00:49:43.000 So even that distinguishes between businesses.

00:49:45.000 Like the airline business.

00:49:47.000 There's a good case we made.

00:49:48.000 The airlines should not actually be bailed out.

00:49:50.000 That we should be bailing out their employees because the airlines have been using their money for stock buybacks because the airlines Should have banked up enough cash to at least survive, even if it means furloughing their employees for the foreseeable future, and then we should compensate the employees.

00:50:03.000 But if you're talking about keeping business afloat for a couple of months, if you're talking about making sure that basically we freeze the economy in place for a couple of months, as long as there's an end date to that, then all possibilities are sort of on the table.

00:50:16.000 But we should examine the consequences of those policies.

00:50:18.000 The danger, of course, to open-ended loans like that is a lot of people who are never going to repay those loans.

00:50:23.000 There is some winnowing that is going to happen in this economy.

00:50:26.000 This is going to change the way people live in particularly significant ways.

00:50:30.000 Even when this ends, the movie industry is going to take a hit.

00:50:33.000 The entertainment industry is going to take a hit.

00:50:34.000 Do you really want the government floating loans to industries that are going to take a permanent hit over the course of time because our way of life just radically changed?

00:50:41.000 That is unclear how people earn back their money at this point.

00:50:43.000 Perhaps the best way to do it, Sorkin suggests, that basically you should go to the banks, and then you should say to the banks, we're gonna back whatever loans you choose to give.

00:50:50.000 And that may be the best way to do it, because the banks actually have an actuarial interest in only giving out loans that will eventually be repaid, as opposed to the federal government, which has an interest in handing out free cash, helicopter cash, to everybody.

00:51:01.000 Okay, so, the bottom line here, Is that we don't know where any of this is going.

00:51:08.000 And you are seeing local restaurants shut down.

00:51:11.000 You're seeing people hurt.

00:51:12.000 We're going to have to figure out in pretty short order what the trajectory of this thing is.

00:51:16.000 Greatest Hope, by May, this thing starts to wane.

00:51:19.000 By May, people start going back to, if not normal, something slightly resembling normal.

00:51:24.000 It's gonna change our way of life, particularly in small spaces.

00:51:27.000 I think that the concert industry is gonna have a rough time.

00:51:28.000 I think a lot of local restaurants are gonna have a rough time.

00:51:30.000 Everything may translate over to in-room dining, you know, delivery.

00:51:35.000 It may transfer over to bigger restaurants with more space so that people can be spaced out a little bit more.

00:51:40.000 But with all of that said, we are going to have to figure out what the second step here is, because it is just not sustainable for everybody to be locked in their homes for 6, 12, 18 months.

00:51:49.000 That's not sustainable.

00:51:50.000 The economy cannot take it.

00:51:51.000 Because at a certain point, who's going to buy the debt?

00:51:54.000 Who's going to buy the bonds?

00:51:55.000 At a certain point, the federal government's going to have to just start inflating the currency, at which point everybody who has any money is worth nothing.

00:52:01.000 So it's very, it's very, you know, bottom line is that the federal government has to take measures to keep the economy running for the moment, but that should be temporary.

00:52:10.000 And we should have a plan for what happens next.

00:52:12.000 Okay.

00:52:12.000 Meanwhile, in other news, Joe Biden cleaned up last night.

00:52:15.000 So there were some primaries yesterday.

00:52:17.000 Joe Biden won primaries in Florida, Illinois, and Arizona.

00:52:20.000 He did it easily.

00:52:21.000 The percentages for him were extraordinarily high.

00:52:24.000 That is not a big shock.

00:52:26.000 The turnout was actually on pace to surpass the 2016 primary in places like Arizona, which is kind of shocking given the fact that pretty much everybody is supposed to be in lockdown.

00:52:35.000 In Maricopa County, which included Phoenix, more than 40,000 people voted in person on Tuesday compared to 35,000 there in 2016.

00:52:44.000 Much of Sanders' support has come from young voters.

00:52:46.000 That didn't play out in Arizona.

00:52:47.000 It didn't play out in Florida.

00:52:48.000 He just got skunked in Florida.

00:52:50.000 Both Florida and Arizona surpassing the turnout.

00:52:52.000 Honestly, it was irresponsible to hold these primaries.

00:52:54.000 If you are seriously concerned about the coronavirus, it's irresponsible to have huge numbers of people in line.

00:53:00.000 Biden, of course, One Illinois with big, big numbers.

00:53:04.000 So in a time of panic, Joe Biden, who's, as I've said, mashed potatoes and chicken soup.

00:53:09.000 That guy is is probably the I mean, this is helping Biden versus Bernie.

00:53:14.000 Obviously, Bernie is a destabilizing force in a time that requires stability.

00:53:18.000 It just demonstrates how crazy Bernie is that yesterday Bernie suggested that any business receiving aid at all should receive, the government should own a part of it.

00:53:27.000 This is nuts, by the way.

00:53:28.000 It is the government that is causing the economic downturn right now.

00:53:31.000 It is.

00:53:31.000 It's the government that is telling everybody to go home.

00:53:33.000 I'm not saying they're wrong to do it.

00:53:35.000 I'm just saying that for the government to say to everybody, stay home, we're going to destroy your business.

00:53:39.000 Also, We're going to give you loans and also we're going to own your business is totally wild.

00:53:45.000 That's wild.

00:53:45.000 I mean, that's just a thug tactic by the government.

00:53:47.000 That's basically nationalization by a backdoor and Bernie Sanders is all for it.

00:53:50.000 Here's Bernie being a nut yesterday.

00:53:52.000 We must make sure that companies that get bailouts are required to sell equity to the government and put workers on their board of directors.

00:54:03.000 This is crazy.

00:54:05.000 The government is going to force companies into bankruptcy, which is what is happening right now, and then is going to bail them out for a share of the company?

00:54:14.000 I mean, that's crazy towns.

00:54:17.000 Because it is the government that is telling people to stay home right now.

00:54:19.000 Because there are a lot of companies where if they were not told to stay home right now, people would be at work.

00:54:24.000 People would continue to operate.

00:54:26.000 Because the businesses would have to make the very tough decision between How much exposure can we take as a business in terms of people being out there and also laying off every employee we have?

00:54:35.000 I mean, there are hotel chains that laid off tens of thousands of people yesterday.

00:54:37.000 The unemployment rate on this thing is going to skyrocket.

00:54:39.000 So adding the additional threat, which is if you take a loan from the federal, who's going to take a loan from the federal government under those circumstances?

00:54:45.000 Seriously, you think that if my business is starting to have a rough time, that I am then going to take a loan from the federal government?

00:54:51.000 I'd rather go bankrupt, seriously, than take a loan from the federal government that lets the federal government run my business.

00:54:56.000 How's that not a first?

00:54:57.000 This is why this guy is losing all the primaries.

00:54:59.000 He should be losing all the primaries.

00:55:00.000 Joe Biden yesterday appealed to Bernie Sanders supporters.

00:55:04.000 Senator Sanders and I may disagree on tactics, but we share a common vision.

00:55:07.000 some 20% of Democrats are Sanders supporters.

00:55:10.000 Most of a huge number of them, like 40% of those people say they won't vote for Joe Biden because they don't think he's radical enough, which by the way, is kind of crazy because Joe Biden is very much on the left.

00:55:19.000 Here is Joe Biden trying to appeal to Bernie supporters.

00:55:20.000 Senator Sanders and I may disagree on tactics, but we share a common vision for the need to provide affordable healthcare for all Americans, reduce income inequity that has risen so drastically to tackling the existential threat of our time, climate change.

00:55:39.000 Senator Sanders and his supporters have brought a remarkable passion and tenacity to all of these issues.

00:55:45.000 Together they have shifted the fundamental conversation in this country.

00:55:49.000 So let me say, especially to the young voters who have been inspired by Senator Sanders, I hear you.

00:55:55.000 I know what's at stake.

00:55:57.000 I know what we have to do.

00:55:59.000 Our goal as a campaign, and my goal as a candidate for president, is to unify this party, and then to unify the nation.

00:56:07.000 Yeah, good luck with that.

00:56:08.000 The Bernie supporters are going to have no part of this.

00:56:10.000 By the way, Joe Biden did finish the speech on a very odd note.

00:56:13.000 He appeared not to know whether the camera was on or off, and so he just stood there awkwardly as his wife came to usher him off the stage, which is always a great look.

00:56:20.000 Here's what that looked like.

00:56:22.000 Thank you all for listening.

00:56:23.000 He's just standing there.

00:56:24.000 Now he's just standing there.

00:56:25.000 And standing there.

00:56:27.000 And there is Dr. Joe.

00:56:29.000 And then she's like, he's like, oh, there you are.

00:56:31.000 Thanks.

00:56:32.000 And then there's just more awkwardness.

00:56:35.000 OK.

00:56:36.000 Like somebody at some point should have turned off the camera.

00:56:38.000 That's not Biden's fault, totally.

00:56:39.000 But he's just standing there.

00:56:40.000 What's going on?

00:56:41.000 Like seriously?

00:56:44.000 Speaking of all of this, Bernie Sanders still has not dropped out.

00:56:47.000 He's saying he's reconsidering his campaign.

00:56:48.000 That, of course, is the appropriate action at this time.

00:56:51.000 Claire McCaskill, former senator from Missouri, she says, yeah, it is long past time for Bernie Sanders to drop out.

00:56:57.000 I think the conversation is going to quickly turn to how and when does Bernie Sanders unite the Democratic Party.

00:57:07.000 I predict that just like in Michigan and Mississippi and Missouri, we're going to see every county in Florida go for Joe Biden.

00:57:16.000 Every county in Arizona go for Joe Biden.

00:57:19.000 And every county in Illinois go for Joe Biden.

00:57:23.000 He's going to end up netting a big number of delegates after tonight.

00:57:28.000 And so I think it is time.

00:57:30.000 And well, this is the end of Bernie Sanders's campaign, but it is not the end of Bernie Sanders's impact, because what will Joe Biden have to give the Sanders supporters in order to get them back in the tent?

00:57:39.000 A lot of those people are not going to show up to vote.

00:57:40.000 They are young, they are motivated, and they are really, really far on the left.

00:57:44.000 So how many of them are going to stick around for Joe Biden?

00:57:46.000 Joe is going to have to pick somebody.

00:57:48.000 Who is somewhat radical for his VP or he's going to risk losing all of the Sanders supporters.

00:57:53.000 Honestly, if Biden were smart, what he would probably do at this point is even though he hates Sanders and thinks that he's a radical kook, which he is, Biden should probably offer Sanders some sort of administration post. 0.86

00:58:04.000 And that's probably something that he should do if he wants to unify the party.

00:58:07.000 But if Biden hopes that the Sanders people are just going to come around, that is not going to happen.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - March 18, 2020

The Chinese Virus | Ep. 974

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