The Ben Shapiro Show - The Radioactive Debate Fallout | Ep. 1106

00:00:00.000 After an extraordinarily contentious first debate between Trump and Biden, Democrats float canceling further debates and the media press forward at the accusation that Trump is soft on white supremacy.

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00:01:38.000 Alrighty, so we are still in the midst of the fallout from that extraordinarily contentious, rough, brutal to watch debate between Trump and Biden, where basically Trump yelled over Biden for about an hour and a half, and then Biden said really snarky and terrible things, punctuated by outright lies, and then Chris Wallace tried to intervene and himself became the subject of the debate.

00:01:59.000 It was really awful, like, all the way around, and it was not productive from any possible angle.

00:02:05.000 One of the things that happened is the media went nuts.

00:02:07.000 I mean, how could this have happened?

00:02:09.000 How could we have reached this point in American life, disgraced the American system?

00:02:13.000 It's such a disgrace.

00:02:15.000 And I mean, I thought that the debate was not good.

00:02:18.000 I mean, I talked about it at length yesterday.

00:02:20.000 I talked about it the night of the debate on Daily Wire backstage.

00:02:23.000 I thought this was a very, very bad debate.

00:02:25.000 Because the purpose of a debate is to inform you about the people who are participating, basically just reinforce what you already knew, maybe provide you a little new information, maybe put the positions of the participants in a different light, and the debate really didn't get into policy very much, or if it did, it was completely obscured by the bizarre antics that were evident from every available side.

00:02:45.000 But when the media complains about this being the low point of our democracy, I mean, people like John Meacham, the historian, saying this was the low point of the presidency in the United States, and people on CNN complaining that this was, it was unprecedentedly bad.

00:03:00.000 All I could think was, you are Dr. Frankenstein, and this is your monster.

00:03:04.000 I've been saying for a long time that one of the great misconceptions about Trump is that Trump is the murderer of American politics.

00:03:10.000 There's this weird thing that has happened in American politics ever since Trump became president where everybody assumes that every bad thing began with Trump.

00:03:17.000 And the reality, of course, is that Donald Trump is not the murderer.

00:03:20.000 He is the coroner.

00:03:21.000 This is the metaphor that I have been using for at least several years here.

00:03:27.000 Donald Trump stumbled upon the body of American politics.

00:03:30.000 It was warm.

00:03:31.000 I mean, it was warm.

00:03:32.000 It had been recently murdered.

00:03:33.000 But the fact is that he was not the guy who originally stuck the knife in.

00:03:36.000 Now, was he a doctor?

00:03:38.000 Did he fix the body politic?

00:03:39.000 No, of course he did not.

00:03:40.000 He proceeded to stand over the body and watch it bleed out.

00:03:43.000 But was Donald Trump the guy who originally brought us to this point?

00:03:47.000 In fact, he was not.

00:03:47.000 No.

00:03:48.000 And I have proof positive of this.

00:03:50.000 So last night on CNN, Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz, who All facts disclosed.

00:03:56.000 I'm very friendly with Senator Cruz, of course.

00:03:58.000 Senator Cruz was on with Chris Cuomo.

00:04:00.000 Block of wood on CNN.

00:04:03.000 Now, Chris Cuomo is not a reporter.

00:04:04.000 Chris Cuomo is a political activist masquerading as a reporter.

00:04:07.000 Most evident when he was doing these bizarre interviews with his brother, Andrew Cuomo, who is busily presiding over the worst regime in the United States with regard to handling of COVID.

00:04:18.000 Shipping elderly people back into nursing homes with COVID.

00:04:21.000 Ensuring that the state then covered up those numbers by pretending that if you died outside of a nursing home, even if you acquired COVID in a nursing home that was not listed as a nursing home death, refusing to answer FOIA requests, openly denying this week that he'd ever done that, which is pretty incredible, and then saying that every night when he puts his head down on his pillow, he knows that he has saved lives.

00:04:38.000 I mean, Andrew Cuomo's behavior during this entire debacle has been devastatingly bad.

00:04:44.000 And Chris Cuomo has been covering for him the entire way.

00:04:46.000 So this was a meeting between two partisan actors.

00:04:49.000 One is openly partisan.

00:04:50.000 Senator Cruz is perhaps the most partisan Republican in Congress.

00:04:55.000 This is perfectly obvious.

00:04:56.000 This has been true for years.

00:04:57.000 It's not like he's hiding the ball here.

00:04:59.000 Senator Cruz is not a quote-unquote objective reporter.

00:05:02.000 Chris Cuomo, however, is a quote-unquote objective reporter.

00:05:06.000 And Chris Cuomo spent about 20 minutes berating Cruz last night on CNN.

00:05:11.000 About 20 minutes.

00:05:12.000 Now, the reason this is relevant is because the media created this environment, and then they are very upset to learn that this is now the environment in which we live.

00:05:19.000 I saw a lot of this in the aftermath of the debate with regard to 2012.

00:05:22.000 I saw people tweeting out about, remember that quaint old time when people attacked Mitt Romney for his binders full of women?

00:05:28.000 And people treating that like, oh, it was a quainter time.

00:05:30.000 No, the story there is that you guys did go after Mitt Romney for the binders full of women comment, which was the most innocuous comment in the history of presidential debate.

00:05:38.000 He literally said, I tried to recruit women into my administration when I was governor of Massachusetts, and I had a binder filled with the resumes of women so that I could pick women who are qualified for positions.

00:05:48.000 And they treated that as though it was a sexist thing to have a binder filled with the resumes of females. 0.99

00:05:53.000 Okay, it was your fault that you got Trump.

00:05:56.000 It was your fault we got the debate last night.

00:05:58.000 You brought us to this point.

00:06:00.000 And the complete lack of self-acknowledgement, the complete lack of mirror ownership apparently at CNN, leads the same people who engage in this sort of nonsensical talking over each other, screaming at people, treating people like garbage on national TV, day in and day out, then turn around and they're like, how could Trump do this sort of thing? He's one of you. The answer is he's one of you.

00:06:24.000 Donald Trump was a media creation.

00:06:26.000 Donald Trump is a member of the media. People like to say that Trump hates the media.

00:06:30.000 There is nobody in American politics who loves the media more than Donald Trump.

00:06:30.000 Trump does not hate the media.

00:06:33.000 He obsesses with the media.

00:06:35.000 He talks with the media.

00:06:35.000 I mean, if he hated the media so much, why would he let Bob Woodward in the front door and do 18 hours of interviews with him?

00:06:41.000 Donald Trump loves the media.

00:06:43.000 He's obsessed with the media.

00:06:44.000 And the media are obsessed with Donald Trump.

00:06:46.000 So much so that there is a story in the New York Times today.

00:06:48.000 I mean, this just demonstrates the bizarre, the insane loop that has been created between Trump and the media.

00:06:54.000 There's a story in the New York Times today talking about how Trump is the single greatest source of misinformation in politics today, anywhere on the globe.

00:06:59.000 How did they measure that?

00:07:01.000 They looked at the number of headlines including Trump and misinformation.

00:07:04.000 So in other words, because Trump says something and the media are obsessed with him and print 1,000 headlines about the thing he said, that means that he is the source of misinformation, the chief source of misinformation.

00:07:14.000 Or alternatively, you guys are the loudspeaker.

00:07:16.000 You guys are the ones who decide where to shine the spotlight.

00:07:19.000 You're the ones who have decided to turn every issue in American politics into a crisis issue in American politics.

00:07:25.000 So, back to this Chris Cuomo and Ted Cruz interview.

00:07:28.000 I want you to see if you can distinguish the behavior of Chris Cuomo here from the behavior of Donald Trump in that debate the other night.

00:07:34.000 You're going to find it is very hard to do.

00:07:36.000 It's very hard to do. 0.91

00:07:37.000 The level of the debate in which we engage in politics in this country is the stupidest possible level, which, by the way, is why people now go to podcasts. 0.68

00:07:43.000 It's why the ratings on CNN overall have declined. 0.74

00:07:46.000 They've increased relative to their ratings over the past few years.

00:07:49.000 But just overall, in terms of general audience share, there's a reason that fewer people are now watching things like Chris Cuomo and more people are watching long-form podcasts, especially long-form podcasts like, for example, Joe Rogan, where he will do three-hour interviews with people with whom he disagrees and explicate their viewpoints.

00:08:04.000 They watch podcasts like this one.

00:08:05.000 They watch podcasts like my Sunday special, where I will have on Matthew Iglesias from Vox, and we'll just discuss ideas for a full hour.

00:08:11.000 Because guess what?

00:08:12.000 This stuff is getting old.

00:08:13.000 It really is getting old.

00:08:14.000 And the media created it.

00:08:16.000 Members of the media act like this, and the left cheers.

00:08:18.000 They love it. 0.98

00:08:18.000 When Chris Cuomo acts like a jackass to Ted Cruz, when he talks over him, when he insults him, when he brings up Ted Cruz's wife and suggests that Ted Cruz is a coward for not attacking Donald Trump more. 0.98

00:08:28.000 Meanwhile, defending his own brother. 0.98

00:08:30.000 Members of the media, they dig this.

00:08:31.000 This is the thing, man.

00:08:32.000 The left is into it.

00:08:33.000 They love it every second.

00:08:34.000 And then they're like, well, Donald Trump does that.

00:08:36.000 It's so bad.

00:08:36.000 Because you built this machine, guys.

00:08:38.000 You built the machine.

00:08:40.000 I do think we can have a very reasonable policy discussion about the policy mistakes in New York and New Jersey of sending COVID-positive patients into nursing homes.

00:08:50.000 I think that was a very serious policy mistake.

00:08:52.000 But that didn't happen all over the country, right?

00:08:53.000 That wasn't the most vulnerable population.

00:08:54.000 No, it didn't happen in Texas.

00:08:55.000 It's one of the reasons why the death rate in New York is four times the death rate in Texas.

00:08:59.000 Texas, the place where the governor said that you didn't need to test and you didn't need masks, right?

00:09:02.000 That guy?

00:09:03.000 Is that what you're talking about?

00:09:04.000 Was that too political?

00:09:05.000 Chris, was it a mistake when your brother implemented a policy that nursing homes had to accept COVID positive patients and endangered the lives of tens of thousands of seniors in New York State?

00:09:14.000 My brother was the first one to say that there was a learning curve and that mistakes were made and they changed things as soon as they could.

00:09:21.000 Okay, everybody turns up the heat here.

00:09:22.000 Okay, again, it gets even worse than this.

00:09:23.000 Chris Cuomo starts openly defending his brother's behavior and then brings up Ted Cruz as though it's Ted Cruz's job to condemn Donald Trump in the same way that it's Chris Cuomo's job to be an objective journalist.

00:09:35.000 The journalists and the politicians, you see, are exactly the same.

00:09:37.000 The journalists and the politicians are to be treated exactly the same.

00:09:40.000 The only difference is you're supposed to pretend the journalists are journalists.

00:09:43.000 Here's Chris Cuomo continuing this.

00:09:46.000 My brother will stand for his own record.

00:09:47.000 Why don't you talk to the president the way you talk to my brother, Ted?

00:09:51.000 You afraid of him?

00:09:52.000 You think he'll smack you down at home?

00:09:54.000 Oh yeah, I'm terrified of the Cuomos.

00:09:56.000 You guys are really tough.

00:09:57.000 Not the Cuomos, I'm talking about the president.

00:09:59.000 My brother's not the president.

00:10:00.000 I'm talking about the president. 0.96

00:10:02.000 The one who called you a liar. 0.93

00:10:03.000 You're perfectly fine to scream and yell because you know what? 0.96

00:10:06.000 Oh, but you don't.

00:10:06.000 You're doing it because you don't want to discuss the substance.

00:10:08.000 I had you on to discuss these things.

00:10:10.000 You invited me on the show to actually talk about the Supreme Court and talk about the book One Vote Away, and instead you just want to repeat insults over and over and over again.

00:10:18.000 Oh, but you're not.

00:10:19.000 Let's actually talk about the Supreme Court.

00:10:20.000 You just bring up my brother for half the interview because you're such a fair guy.

00:10:23.000 This is incredible.

00:10:25.000 Bringing up his brother.

00:10:25.000 His brother is the governor of New York.

00:10:27.000 His brother is the governor of New York.

00:10:29.000 And you're talking about COVID policy.

00:10:32.000 It seems a little relevant to bring up the fact that your brother, the governor of New York, who was treated with kid gloves by you on national TV for weeks at a time, that that was a failure of coverage on your part.

00:10:43.000 That is not the same thing as Ted Cruz doing the partisan thing and defending Trump.

00:10:47.000 He's a Republican senator from Texas.

00:10:49.000 What the hell do you think he's going to do?

00:10:50.000 He doesn't have the same job as Chris Cuomo.

00:10:52.000 The generalized point here is this.

00:10:54.000 While you hear everybody in the media complaining about Donald Trump, you guys created this toxic brew, and then you're like, oh, this is toxic brew.

00:11:02.000 This is really bad.

00:11:03.000 I can't believe it's so bad as all this.

00:11:04.000 I can't believe that it's really, really bad.

00:11:06.000 Jeff Zucker was calling the Trump campaign in the middle of the Trump campaign to give advice to Michael Cohen.

00:11:13.000 You can't, you can't do this.

00:11:15.000 You can't do this.

00:11:15.000 It's not that, You can certainly criticize Trump for his behavior.

00:11:19.000 You can certainly criticize anybody you want.

00:11:21.000 But you might want to check whether the house that you're living in is literally made of glass before you start chucking those sorts of stone.

00:11:28.000 Okay, so how were the actual ratings from the debate?

00:11:31.000 Not particularly good.

00:11:32.000 They actually nosedived from 2016, which suggests, as I thought before, that there are very few people who have not made up their mind in this election cycle, which, given the polling data right now, is very bad for Trump and very bad for Republicans across the country.

00:11:43.000 Cook Political recently re-rated Iowa from lean Republican to deadlock, basically, to throw up.

00:11:53.000 It's an even state now.

00:11:55.000 They now moved Ohio in the same way.

00:11:57.000 It was a lean Republican state, and now they've learned it into a toss-up.

00:12:00.000 It's a toss-up state.

00:12:01.000 So, the polls are trending away from Trump in a lot of these places.

00:12:05.000 People have made up their minds, it seems, and unless something dramatic changes, It's gonna be a rough night for Trump, if you look at the polls.

00:12:11.000 Now, again, maybe the polls are all skewed.

00:12:13.000 Maybe it turns out that Trump still gets a 30% shot at winning the presidency.

00:12:17.000 That doesn't mean he has a 0% shot.

00:12:18.000 I mean, you know, one in four times you run this simulation, Trump wins the presidency.

00:12:22.000 But right now, he's got a deficit to make up.

00:12:24.000 That debate definitely did not do it for him.

00:12:26.000 The ratings on the debate were abysmal.

00:12:27.000 The chaotic first presidential debate, according to the New York Post, between Joe Biden and President Trump officially tanked, pulling in dismal TV ratings compared to the blockbuster showdown between Trump and Hillary Clinton four years ago.

00:12:37.000 Again, that was very much because nobody really was tuning in to see Biden get clocked, per se.

00:12:41.000 during the 90-minute-plus slugfest, according to Deadline, that is a 36% plunge from the face-to-face brawl between then-candidate Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton in 2016.

00:12:50.000 Again, that was very much because nobody really was tuning in to see Biden get clocked, per se.

00:12:56.000 Nobody hates Biden the same way that so many people despised Hillary Clinton.

00:13:00.000 And so there wasn't that sort of tension and buildup to this particular debate.

00:13:04.000 Nonetheless, the Commission on Presidential Debate now says that they are going to redo the format of these debates.

00:13:11.000 They have decided that the debates themselves are not orderly enough because Trump talked over Biden for a lot of the debate, and so now they are probably going to give the ability for the moderator to mute the mics, which of course has created its own set of controversies.

00:13:25.000 Now, do I think that's a good idea?

00:13:26.000 Honestly, I think that it's not a bad idea.

00:13:28.000 I do.

00:13:28.000 I mean, the fact is that during the Lincoln-Douglas debates, which were pretty famous debates, people would talk for like half an hour, then the other guy would talk for half an hour, then they would have 10-minute rebuttals, and then they would do it one more time, and that would be the whole debate.

00:13:40.000 That seems like a better way of doing it than what we saw the other night.

00:13:43.000 So I don't object to the idea of changing the rules.

00:13:46.000 I just object to the idea that changing the rules after they've already been set is a good idea.

00:13:52.000 But at the same time, I think it's kind of fair.

00:13:53.000 I mean, I do.

00:13:55.000 Trump is the one who broke the rules from the beginning, so making clear that he can't just set the rules and then ignore the rules, I don't think that that's necessarily a bad thing.

00:14:02.000 But I think that they should get rid of a lot of the rules as they stand right now.

00:14:04.000 I don't think you can say a lot that's illuminating inside of two minutes.

00:14:07.000 Instead of trying to get through 35 topics, how about we have, like, two topics, and everybody has to speak at length, and then we get to watch these guys jabber for half an hour.

00:14:15.000 And, by the way, that'd be the best for Trump, right?

00:14:17.000 We know that Trump can go off the cuff for half an hour.

00:14:19.000 Can Joe Biden go off the cuff for half an hour right now?

00:14:21.000 I have serious doubts.

00:14:22.000 That'd actually benefit Trump if they went toward that format.

00:14:25.000 We'll get to more of this in just one second.

00:14:27.000 More of the debate fallout.

00:14:29.000 Because Democrats, of course, have decided that the pure story from the debate is Donald Trump's white supremacy.

00:14:33.000 Again, based on an exchange in which he literally said that he was willing to condemn white supremacy twice.

00:14:39.000 It's amazing.

00:14:39.000 I pointed this out yesterday, and people on the left went nuts.

00:14:42.000 Idiot Seth Rogen on Twitter came after me, suggesting that I was selling out to white supremacy. 0.99

00:14:47.000 If Seth Rogen had received one one-hundredth of the hate from white supremacists that I have received from white supremacists, he would shut the hell up. 0.99

00:14:53.000 Because the fact is, there is no one in America who has been harder on white supremacists than I have, nor has there anybody- literally by statistics.

00:15:00.000 In 2016, I was the number one target of the alt-right and white supremacists, according to the Anti-Defamation League. 1.00

00:15:06.000 So the suggestion that if I correctly characterize Trump's comments the other night, that that is some sort of sellout to white supremacism, that is because you guys are so full of crap that your eyes are turning brown. 0.99

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00:16:40.000 OK, so fallout from the debate.

00:16:42.000 So Chris Wallace said that he never dreamed that the debate would go off the rails that way.

00:16:46.000 He told this to The New York Times.

00:16:48.000 He said, I've read some of the reviews.

00:16:49.000 I know people think, well, gee, I didn't jump in soon enough.

00:16:51.000 I guess I didn't realize there's no way you could.

00:16:53.000 Hindsight being 20-20.

00:16:54.000 This was going to be the president's strategy, not just for the beginning of the debate, but for the entire debate.

00:16:59.000 He said, I'm a pro.

00:16:59.000 I've never been through anything like this.

00:17:01.000 And it's true that Trump's tactics definitely threw Wallace off his game.

00:17:05.000 That is certainly true.

00:17:06.000 Again, I don't think that Trump's behavior in that debate helped him very much.

00:17:10.000 But does that mean that Wallace did a great job anywhere throughout?

00:17:15.000 No, no it doesn't.

00:17:16.000 Okay, Trump for his part said he was disappointed in Chris Wallace and that he was also disappointed in Fox News.

00:17:21.000 I gotta say, this sort of stuff gets old.

00:17:22.000 You are the President of the United States.

00:17:24.000 How you behave in debate is on you.

00:17:25.000 Here was Trump yesterday in Duluth.

00:17:28.000 Did you see last night?

00:17:30.000 Name one... I said, Sleepy Joe, name one law enforcement group that supports you.

00:17:37.000 And then Chris Wallace says, don't do that, that's not... Can you believe this guy?

00:17:41.000 I was debating two people last night.

00:17:43.000 Can you go to church?

00:17:44.000 No.

00:17:45.000 Can you go to restaurants?

00:17:46.000 No.

00:17:46.000 Can you do anything?

00:17:47.000 No, but you can riot, that's okay.

00:17:50.000 Arson's okay, but challenging Sleepy Joe is totally off limits.

00:17:55.000 So disappointed in Fox.

00:17:57.000 OK, so I think that some of his critiques of Wallace are fair.

00:18:00.000 I also think that some of Wallace's critiques of Trump are fair.

00:18:02.000 Bottom line is that that debate really didn't accomplish much other than it gave Democrats a talking point for the next couple of weeks.

00:18:08.000 A talking point that, by the way, happens to be not true.

00:18:11.000 So for their part, Democrats, of course, got very offended.

00:18:15.000 Joe Biden said the debate was a national embarrassment. 0.92

00:18:18.000 It was a national embarrassment, says Joe Biden, who literally in 2012 said that Mitt Romney was going to put black people back in chains. 0.95

00:18:25.000 Joe Biden says this was a national embarrassment. 0.75

00:18:27.000 For 90 minutes, he tried everything to distract, everything possible.

00:18:34.000 And it just didn't work.

00:18:37.000 The president of the United States, Conducting himself the way he did, I think was just a national embarrassment.

00:18:49.000 Okay.

00:18:49.000 And then Chuck Schumer put out the suggestion, and you're starting to see this increase in sort of volume.

00:18:55.000 Chuck Schumer, the Senate Minority Leader, he said, I don't think that Trump should want to debate Biden again.

00:18:58.000 So they're putting out the message now that maybe the rest of the debate should be canceled.

00:19:01.000 Remember, Biden's entire strategy here is to run out the clock.

00:19:04.000 That's why what Trump did the other night was really not good for him, because he should have let Biden talk.

00:19:09.000 The whole point here is that Biden cannot talk.

00:19:11.000 And when he does, he makes big boo-boos.

00:19:13.000 That was a strategic blunder by Trump.

00:19:14.000 But Democrats basically want to take the ball and go home now.

00:19:17.000 Here's Chuck Schumer.

00:19:18.000 Unless he's trying to lose, I don't think Donald Trump should want to debate Joe Biden again.

00:19:23.000 Second, I would say maybe we should give the moderator a mute button, given how President Trump just interrupts at will.

00:19:30.000 And the bottom line is, Donald Trump doesn't follow the rules.

00:19:33.000 The commission's got to get a lot tougher when debate participants don't follow the rules.

00:19:40.000 Alrighty, so they're already talking about the possibility of shutting down future debates so Joe Biden can go back into the basement and run out the clock, which again underscores the entire strategy here is to make it about Trump.

00:19:50.000 And you saw this in the debate.

00:19:51.000 This is where Wallace really failed.

00:19:52.000 He should have held Biden's feet to the fire on the very simple question as to whether he's going to pack the Supreme Court.

00:19:57.000 Which, by the way, is the single most transformative question up in this election.

00:20:00.000 If you're taking one of the three branches of government and rendering it absolutely obsolete in terms of its legitimacy to the American public by packing it with a bunch of partisans, then that seems like that might be worthy of discussion.

00:20:11.000 And Joe Biden should not have been able to get away with, go out and vote.

00:20:15.000 That's not how any of that works.

00:20:17.000 OK, well, all of this takes a backseat to the generalized, the generalized narrative that the media have attempted to draw from the debate. 0.98

00:20:23.000 And that is, once again, as always, But Donald Trump is a white supremacist. 0.84

00:20:28.000 Now, just to recap, Donald Trump is not a white supremacist. 0.94

00:20:33.000 Donald Trump's history with condemning white supremacy is pretty long, meaning that it was, let's put it this way, it was intermittent for a long time. 0.99

00:20:41.000 There are a couple of instances in which he did not, and in which I duly ripped the living crap out of him.

00:20:46.000 You'll recall back in 2015 when he did an interview with Jake Tapper, and Jake Tapper asked him to denounce David Duke, and he said, I don't know who David Duke is, and then he refused to announce him.

00:20:54.000 And you'll remember, I just ripped into him.

00:20:55.000 I savaged him over this.

00:20:57.000 It was right before the Louisiana primary.

00:20:58.000 It was really, really ugly.

00:20:59.000 And then you'll remember in Charlottesville, where he actually did condemn white supremacists, but he said there were good people who were marching with the white supremacists, which happened not to be true.

00:21:07.000 And that was shortly after he had said that some very bad things happened in Charlottesville, and he sort of ignored the ideological component.

00:21:14.000 Then he came back and he revised, and then he recognized the ideological component.

00:21:18.000 Okay.

00:21:19.000 Ever since then, I mean, he's given multiple speeches in which he has talked about the evils of white supremacy.

00:21:23.000 He has repeatedly condemned white supremacy.

00:21:25.000 Trump has not been shy over the last several years in condemning white supremacy. 0.80

00:21:28.000 In fact, you remember in 2017, even during the Charlottesville mess where he was completely inept, he said that white supremacy should be totally condemned.

00:21:35.000 This was in 2017. 0.93

00:21:37.000 You had people, and I'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.

00:21:44.000 But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists, okay?

00:21:50.000 And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

00:21:54.000 Okay, so the problem with that comment was the people other than the Neo-Nazis and the White Supremacists didn't exist.

00:22:00.000 But he says, I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazis and the White Supremacists.

00:22:03.000 And in fact, you can compile a list of all the times he's condemned Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists.

00:22:07.000 He's done it many, many, many times.

00:22:10.000 But because the media ran out of the Russian narrative, they decided immediately to shift over to the racism narrative.

00:22:14.000 It's not as though this was not planned.

00:22:16.000 It was absolutely planned.

00:22:18.000 Dean Beckett of the New York Times literally said in print, right after the Russia narrative collapsed, right after the Mueller report, they said, we are shifting over our reporters to the racism beat.

00:22:27.000 They put out a full article talking about this, how they were restaffing up to cover racism in the lead up to the 2020 election.

00:22:33.000 This is a preset narrative.

00:22:35.000 And Wallace walked right into the preset narrative. 0.98

00:22:37.000 And Trump, because he is inept with human language, made a boo-boo. 0.98

00:22:43.000 But it was not a boo-boo in which he was saying white supremacy is okay. 0.98

00:22:47.000 You cannot read the comments that he said and come away with white supremacy is okay unless you wish to have that conclusion going in.

00:22:54.000 We'll get to that in just one second, because that is the conclusion the media are drawing.

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00:24:06.000 Okay, so again, the narrative that is now coming out from the left, and they're going to try and run this all the way to the election, is that Trump is soft again on white supremacy.

00:24:14.000 Now, do I think this is going to shift votes?

00:24:16.000 No, I think we've done this routine several times before.

00:24:19.000 It seems like it comes up every several months.

00:24:21.000 So Joy Behar is the most blunt instrument in the Democratic arsenal.

00:24:26.000 So here she was yesterday on The View suggesting that Trump himself was a white supremacist.

00:24:30.000 Yes, I'm sure that's right.

00:24:31.000 I'm sure that Donald Trump, the guy who signed into law criminal justice reform, who moved the embassy in Israel to Jerusalem, whose daughter is Jewish and his grandchildren are Jewish, and who has evinced tremendous love for both Jews and black Americans.

00:24:47.000 And there's a guy going back decades who was hanging out with Don King.

00:24:51.000 Here's Joy Behar talking about how Donald Trump is not just soft on white supremacy.

00:24:55.000 Again, he's made comments in the past where I think he was.

00:24:58.000 Did he do that the other night?

00:24:58.000 No, he did not.

00:25:00.000 She doesn't just say he was soft on white supremacy.

00:25:01.000 She goes, oh, because that's Joy Behar.

00:25:04.000 She's never met anything like a moderate statement. 0.96

00:25:06.000 She says instead, Donald Trump is himself a white supremacist. 0.94

00:25:11.000 Can I just say one thing? 0.99

00:25:13.000 Of course he doesn't denounce white supremacy, Sonny, because he is a white supremacist. 0.92

00:25:18.000 Americans have to decide whether they want a white supremacist in the White House.

00:25:23.000 We've never had it before.

00:25:24.000 Maybe we didn't know we had it, but we certainly know we have it now.

00:25:28.000 Okay, no.

00:25:29.000 No, no, no. 0.76

00:25:30.000 Okay, so here's the white supremacist yesterday. 0.87

00:25:32.000 So the white supremacist in chief yesterday.

00:25:34.000 Here he was, he was asked specifically about denouncing white supremacy.

00:25:38.000 Here was his answer.

00:25:39.000 They should stop defunding the police like they've done in New York, like they've done in New York.

00:25:44.000 I just told you.

00:25:47.000 I've always denounced any form, any form, any form of any of that you have to denounce.

00:25:54.000 But I also...

00:25:55.000 Joe Biden has to say something about Antifa.

00:25:58.000 It's not a philosophy.

00:26:00.000 These are people that hit people over the head with baseball bats.

00:26:03.000 He's got to come out and he's got to be strong and he's got to condemn Antifa.

00:26:08.000 And it's very important that he does that.

00:26:10.000 OK, so first of all, he's right.

00:26:12.000 He's absolutely right here that the media Have completely ignored the fact that during that debate, Joe Biden refused to condemn an actual violent group, Antifa, who've been committing acts of heinous violence up to and including murder in America's major cities.

00:26:25.000 And that's gone completely by the wayside, like he openly did that.

00:26:27.000 OK, you didn't have to read into the comments to get there.

00:26:29.000 Joe Biden literally refused to condemn Antifa from a presidential stage.

00:26:32.000 And no one gives a damn in the media.

00:26:34.000 That's an actual violent group.

00:26:35.000 The vast majority of the violence happening in our cities right now.

00:26:38.000 The city's burning.

00:26:38.000 That is not white supremacists.

00:26:39.000 It is not white supremacists in Chicago and L.A.

00:26:42.000 and New York and D.C.

00:26:44.000 It's not white supremacists in Portland.

00:26:45.000 It's not white supremacists in Seattle.

00:26:47.000 This is a bunch of left-wing groups.

00:26:48.000 Joe Biden has been able to get away with that because the media are so militarized against Trump that they seriously do not care if Joe Biden decides to make excuses for Antifa.

00:26:56.000 I mean, Chris Cuomo was a big Antifa defender in the early days.

00:27:00.000 He still occasionally will kind of let that mask slip a little bit.

00:27:03.000 So he's right about that.

00:27:04.000 But the key quote there is, of course I defend this.

00:27:07.000 Of course I denounce white supremacy.

00:27:09.000 I denounce all forms of this.

00:27:10.000 I've always denounced all forms of this.

00:27:13.000 Okay, so let's just replay for the sake of people's ears and eyes.

00:27:17.000 Who are you going to believe?

00:27:18.000 Seth Rogen and Joy Behar and the members of the New York Times editorial board or your own ears?

00:27:23.000 So I'm going to replay the exchange that happened from the debate the other night and see if you can find in here Donald Trump not denouncing white supremacy.

00:27:32.000 Seriously.

00:27:34.000 There's only one way that you can get there, and I'll explain in a second.

00:27:38.000 But you have to have the preconceived notion going in that Trump is a white supremacist in order to come away with that conclusion.

00:27:43.000 Okay, let's play the clip.

00:27:45.000 Are you willing, tonight, to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland?

00:27:59.000 Sure, I'm willing to do that.

00:28:01.000 Okay, stop right there for a second.

00:28:02.000 He has now said in the first 10 seconds of this clip, sure, twice, sure.

00:28:07.000 And then he says again, sure, I'm willing to do that.

00:28:09.000 And then Trump turns, right?

00:28:12.000 He turns and he swivels and he says, I don't understand why we're talking about right wing violence in cities that are being dominated by left wing violence.

00:28:17.000 I don't understand this.

00:28:18.000 Why aren't we talking about BLM?

00:28:20.000 Why aren't we talking about Antifa?

00:28:21.000 That is a perfectly legitimate point.

00:28:23.000 OK, and then Wallace, because he was terrible the other night, decides that he's going to double down on this.

00:28:27.000 Yes, sir.

00:28:28.000 But will you?

00:28:29.000 He already did twice.

00:28:30.000 He said, sure.

00:28:31.000 Two times.

00:28:32.000 If he wanted to say no, he would just shake his head or he would say no.

00:28:35.000 You think Donald Trump is is unwilling to say things that piss people off?

00:28:39.000 He does it all the time.

00:28:40.000 OK, but the fact is that he does condemn white supremacy.

00:28:43.000 He does condemn these people who are committing violence in the cities if they are from the right.

00:28:49.000 I'm sorry, but... Okay, so there's literally a three-word thing that Trump says in the rest of this exchange that everybody on the left is hanging their hat on to claim that he is, in fact, a white supremacist.

00:29:00.000 Okay, and the only way that you can read this is if you think that Trump is exact with his language, which we all know he is not. 0.98

00:29:05.000 It is amazing how the left, which fully understands that Donald Trump is wildly inexact with his language, that Donald Trump routinely says dumb crap, how suddenly they get super serious and meticulous about his literal language all the time. 0.73

00:29:17.000 Now, listen, I understand the left saying to people on the right, you know, you guys, you say that we should take him seriously, not literally. 0.95

00:29:22.000 And that lets him out of the that lets him basically say whatever he wants to say.

00:29:25.000 And we're supposed to read into his words.

00:29:27.000 But I don't even take him seriously.

00:29:28.000 I've said this all along.

00:29:30.000 I've been very consistent about this.

00:29:31.000 I don't think that virtually anything Trump says ought to be taken seriously because I don't think that he's the world's most serious person.

00:29:37.000 I don't think it's possible to look at Trump and think he's the world's most serious person.

00:29:40.000 I think very often there's a core of truth to things that he says, but I do not think that he is exact in his language.

00:29:45.000 I don't think that he thinks out what he's doing beforehand.

00:29:46.000 It doesn't... Okay, so here is the rest of the exchange.

00:29:51.000 I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing.

00:29:56.000 So what are you saying?

00:29:58.000 I'm willing to do anything.

00:29:59.000 I want to see peace.

00:30:00.000 Then do it, sir.

00:30:01.000 Do it.

00:30:01.000 Say it.

00:30:02.000 Say it.

00:30:03.000 Do you want to call him?

00:30:04.000 What do you want to call him?

00:30:05.000 Give me a name.

00:30:06.000 Who would you like me to condemn? 0.99

00:30:08.000 White supremacists and right-wing leftists. 0.96

00:30:10.000 Stand back and stand by, but I'll tell you what. 0.98

00:30:13.000 I'll tell you what.

00:30:15.000 Somebody's got to do something about Antifa and the left, because this is not a right-wing problem.

00:30:19.000 This is a left problem.

00:30:23.000 So he already said right at the top, sure, twice, I'm willing to condemn white supremacy.

00:30:23.000 Okay, so stop it there.

00:30:28.000 And then the thing stops dead, right?

00:30:29.000 For the first time in the entire debate, it stops dead because he literally is confused.

00:30:33.000 You can see he's confused.

00:30:34.000 They're saying to him, both Biden and Wallace, then do it, sir.

00:30:37.000 Do it.

00:30:38.000 And he's like, I don't know what you want me to do.

00:30:39.000 I literally just said that I condemn The white supremacists and I condemn the violence in the cities.

00:30:44.000 Who are we talking about?

00:30:45.000 Like, I don't know who we're talking about.

00:30:46.000 And the reason he says, I don't know who we're talking about is because the left lumps every single human being together. 0.75

00:30:50.000 The left pretends that everybody they disagree with is a white supremacist. 0.83

00:30:54.000 Okay, this is unfortunately a common left-wing trope, is that everyone they disagree with is a white supremacist.

00:30:58.000 Let me give you a perfect example.

00:30:59.000 So yesterday, Joe Biden releases an ad.

00:31:01.000 Okay, this ad is about Donald Trump not apparently fighting back against the white supremacists hard enough.

00:31:07.000 You'll see even in the Chris Wallace question there, he says white supremacists and right-wing militia groups.

00:31:12.000 OK, so number one, you can condemn anybody who's getting involved in violence that is illegal.

00:31:16.000 That's fine.

00:31:17.000 But if you are going to say that all of these quote unquote right wing militia groups are the same ideologically as white supremacists, that is inaccurate.

00:31:24.000 Right.

00:31:24.000 But the left likes to do that.

00:31:26.000 Ideologically, they're not the same. 0.77

00:31:27.000 The left has now grouped together, for example, Patriot Prayer, which is a not racist group, with actual white supremacists who are in fact racist. 0.96

00:31:35.000 Joe Biden did an ad yesterday where he grouped together, in order to group together everybody who they disagree with, they grouped together Kyle Rittenhouse and white supremacists who were marching that Unite the Right garbage people rally. 0.99

00:31:48.000 Kyle Rittenhouse, for all the idiocy of going to a riot site with a gun, OK, he shouldn't have done it. 0.98

00:31:55.000 I've said that a thousand times. 1.00

00:31:56.000 He is not a white supremacist.

00:31:57.000 There's no evidence he's a white supremacist.

00:31:58.000 Joe Biden groups him together with the white supremacists in this ad.

00:32:01.000 So here is that ad from from Joe Biden yesterday.

00:32:04.000 Are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in Kenosha and as we've seen in Portland?

00:32:19.000 Sure, I'm willing to do that.

00:32:22.000 I would say almost everything I see is from the left wing, not from the right wing.

00:32:28.000 I'm willing to do anything.

00:32:29.000 I want to see peace.

00:32:30.000 Then do it, sir.

00:32:31.000 Say it.

00:32:31.000 Do it.

00:32:32.000 Say it.

00:32:33.000 What do you want to call him?

00:32:34.000 What do you want to call him?

00:32:35.000 Give me a name.

00:32:36.000 White supremacist and white supremacist. 1.00

00:33:00.000 White supremacist and white supremac Okay, which one do you think that he meant? 0.98

00:33:04.000 I can tell you what Gavin McGinnis, the founder of the Proud Boys, said.

00:33:06.000 He literally was doing an online follow of this particular debate.

00:33:11.000 And in the middle, he said, wait a second, he just told us to stand back and stand down.

00:33:14.000 I'm the head of the Proud Boys.

00:33:14.000 Donald Trump isn't the head of the Proud Boys.

00:33:16.000 So Gavin McGinnis, the head of the Proud Boys, understood that what Trump was saying was stand down.

00:33:20.000 But Donald Trump isn't the head of the Proud Boys.

00:33:22.000 Okay, beyond that, notice the attempt by the left to, again, lump everybody in under one rubric.

00:33:28.000 Now, I'm not a Proud Boys guy.

00:33:30.000 I don't like the Proud Boys.

00:33:31.000 I've told them before I don't want them involved with anything that I do, right?

00:33:34.000 They've offered in the past, some of the Proud Boys, to go to, like, speeches that I give and provide security.

00:33:40.000 I'm like, what the hell? 0.97

00:33:40.000 You guys are a paramilitary group. 0.97

00:33:41.000 I don't want anything to do with the Proud Boys.

00:33:44.000 But to lump them in as white supremacists, right, that is the next step.

00:33:47.000 So in order to get to Trump didn't condemn white supremacy, you have to make a logical leap here.

00:33:51.000 The logical leap is that the Proud Boys, number one, are white supremacists, and number two, Trump was attempting to embolden them rather than telling them to stand down.

00:33:58.000 Okay, those are two logical leaps, neither of which is in evidence.

00:34:02.000 Number one, he told them to stand back.

00:34:04.000 When he said stand by, do you think he meant stand back and I want you to stand by in paramilitary fashion?

00:34:08.000 I suppose you could interpret it that way if that's how you want to, but I don't think that's what he was saying.

00:34:12.000 And I think it's fairly obvious that he meant stand back and stand down.

00:34:15.000 OK, beyond that, in order to get to this point, you have to lump together white supremacy.

00:34:20.000 OK, so he says twice in that exchange, will you condemn white supremacy?

00:34:23.000 OK, and then he says, who are you talking about specifically?

00:34:23.000 Sure.

00:34:26.000 And Joe Biden jumps in and gives the name Proud Boys.

00:34:29.000 Hey, now, in order to get to Trump is soft on white supremacy, you then have to say that the Proud Boys are a white supremacist group.

00:34:35.000 In fact, as CNN reported yesterday, they are not a white supremacist group.

00:34:38.000 They may be a paramilitary organization.

00:34:40.000 They may be an organization whose members engage in illegal activity.

00:34:44.000 They may be an organization, some of whose members have engaged in white supremacy, but as an organization, they actually condemn white supremacy, as CNN's own reporters acknowledged yesterday.

00:34:53.000 We should be really clear that the Proud Boys do not consider themselves a white supremacist group.

00:34:58.000 They have members from many different ethnicities.

00:35:02.000 That doesn't mean that they have not wreaked havoc.

00:35:05.000 They're more like a political fight club, if you will, than a white supremacist group and have distanced themselves.

00:35:11.000 So in order to get to Trump is soft on white supremacism, you have to say, number one, the Proud Boys are a white supremacist group.

00:35:16.000 And two, Trump was taking leadership of them and telling them to arm up, which he was not doing, which he was not doing.

00:35:21.000 In fact, What are the chances that Trump actually knows who the Proud Boys are?

00:35:24.000 Like really knows who they are? 0.97

00:35:26.000 Trump does this crap all the time because he has never not sounded off on an issue. 0.98

00:35:29.000 He says, who are you talking about? 0.99

00:35:30.000 It's Joe Biden who inserts the Proud Boys into that conversation.

00:35:33.000 Trump yesterday was asked about the Proud Boys and Trump was like, I don't even know who they are.

00:35:37.000 You mentioned a name, you threw it out there.

00:35:39.000 I was like, OK, so stand back and stand down or stand by or whatever it is.

00:35:42.000 Here was Trump yesterday.

00:35:45.000 I don't know who the Proud Boys are.

00:35:46.000 I mean, you'll have to give me a definition because I really don't know who they are.

00:35:50.000 I can only say they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work.

00:35:54.000 Law enforcement will do the work more and more.

00:35:57.000 As people see how bad this radical liberal Democrat movement is and how weak, the law enforcement's going to come back stronger and stronger.

00:36:05.000 But again, I don't know who Proud Boys are, but whoever they are, they have to stand down, let law enforcement do their work.

00:36:12.000 Okay, this is a completely manufactured media narrative.

00:36:14.000 This one.

00:36:15.000 It really is.

00:36:16.000 There are times when Trump has said things, and it is not a manufactured media narrative.

00:36:19.000 This one is manufactured out of whole cloth.

00:36:20.000 You can watch the clip yourself.

00:36:22.000 You can analyze it yourself.

00:36:23.000 Unless you go in with the predicate that Donald Trump is a white supremacist, you cannot read that as a white supremacist statement, nor any of the statements to follow.

00:36:31.000 You know what white supremacists generally don't do?

00:36:33.000 The following day, again, say for the thousandth time, they condemn white supremacy, and also that the Proud Boys should stand down.

00:36:40.000 That's a thing they don't do.

00:36:41.000 I mean, it's amazing.

00:36:42.000 The media conflate every single person they don't agree with with white supremacy and then say that if you condemn those people or if you tell them to stand down, you're a defender of white supremacy.

00:36:54.000 Again, go back and listen. 0.99

00:36:56.000 When I think that Trump has said things that are soft on white supremacy, I blasted the living crap out of him. 0.99

00:37:01.000 Probably more than anybody on the right. 0.98

00:37:03.000 Actually, I won't say probably.

00:37:04.000 Certainly more than anybody on the right.

00:37:06.000 That is not what happened at the debate last night and the attempt to manufacture this narrative in advance of the election is really a media creation and quite a disgusting media creation at that.

00:37:16.000 And you can see, by the way, the media spinning this narrative up in real time on everything.

00:37:21.000 You wonder why there's such a level of distrust in the country on these sorts of issues, on racial issues.

00:37:26.000 Maybe it has something to do with the media that will somehow come up with the idea that this was a soft on white supremacy moment for Trump in the debate.

00:37:33.000 And at the same exact time, they will throw out there that Kyle Rittenhouse is a white supremacist.

00:37:38.000 I mean, there are members of the media who were saying this at the time in Kenosha.

00:37:42.000 In a second, I'm gonna get to a piece from NBC News that is truly incredible in terms of its bias against Kyle Rittenhouse and against the Trump administration.

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00:39:19.000 Okay, so you want to know why Trump is so skeptical of the media whenever they say we want you to condemn X group or Y group?

00:39:31.000 Because he literally doesn't know whether they are asking him to condemn a white supremacist group or whether they're asking him to condemn a not-white supremacist group.

00:39:37.000 The reason that he doesn't know that is because the media are dishonest about this sort of stuff.

00:39:41.000 They are.

00:39:41.000 They will just lump everybody together.

00:39:43.000 They will say that everybody they don't like is a white supremacist.

00:39:46.000 That, by the way, is in fact the anti-racist theory that the media have been pushing.

00:39:51.000 The media have been pushing the theory that if you are white, you are by nature a white supremacist because you engage in a system of white supremacy. 0.99

00:39:56.000 Gavin Newsom, the garbage governor of California, said, I'm about to leave. 0.97

00:40:00.000 He tweeted out yesterday that California just became the first state in the nation to mandate the study and development of proposals for reparations. 0.99

00:40:06.000 Our past, he says, is one of slavery, racism and injustice.

00:40:10.000 Our systems were built to oppress people of color. 0.99

00:40:13.000 Our systems are not built to oppress people of color, but if you believe that, and then if you believe that you're quote-unquote complicit in those systems, you are a white supremacist by nature.

00:40:20.000 The same media who are on the side of people like Gavin Newsom, these same people, this is a crazy story.

00:40:25.000 NBC News printed an article today called, Internal Document Shows Trump Officials Were Told to Make Comments Sympathetic to Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:40:32.000 And so what you would think is that they were told to lie to make comments sympathetic to Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:40:36.000 No, they weren't.

00:40:37.000 They were told to say accurate things about Kyle Rittenhouse, and NBC News found this worthy of reporting on.

00:40:42.000 According to NBC News, federal law enforcement officials were directed to make public comments sympathetic to Kyle Rittenhouse, the teenager charged with fatally shooting two protesters in Kenosha, according to internal DHS talking points obtained by NBC News.

00:40:53.000 The document suggests that the DHS note that he, quote, took his rifle to the scene of the rioting to help defend small business owners.

00:40:59.000 He is on tape saying exactly that.

00:41:02.000 That is not biasing the case with regard to Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:41:05.000 That is a documented fact.

00:41:08.000 Another set of talking points distributed to Homeland Security officials said the media were incorrectly labeling the group Patriot Prayer as racist after clashes erupted between the group and protesters in Portland, Oregon.

00:41:17.000 Again, that happens to be a fact.

00:41:19.000 Patriot Prayer is not a white supremacist group.

00:41:21.000 The media were falsely labeling them a white supremacist group to say that white supremacists had caused the violence in Portland.

00:41:27.000 The media think that this is bad.

00:41:29.000 The media shouldn't be fact-checked on their attempt to smear everybody to the right of Hillary Clinton as a racist. 1.00

00:41:35.000 So that conversation is so fraught that Trump is, I think, rightly skeptical of the media's take on what constitutes racism and what does not constitute racism.

00:41:42.000 But putting that to one side, the entire narrative here, which is that the takeaway from the debate is that Trump was soft on white supremacy again.

00:41:49.000 If he had been, I would blast him.

00:41:51.000 I have done so in the past.

00:41:52.000 The reason people are very angry with me today is because I'm using my best judgment to determine that in that quote, he is not doing that.

00:41:59.000 Okay, now there's another narrative that the media are trying to draw out from the debate the other night, and that is all of the election fallout.

00:42:06.000 So they're suggesting that Trump is a threat to the election.

00:42:10.000 Now again, this is a media creation into which Trump absolutely steps.

00:42:14.000 So for months, we have heard from, months, years, we have heard from Democrats that Donald Trump is not a duly elected president, that he was in fact put in place by the Russians.

00:42:21.000 As it turns out, that is not true.

00:42:22.000 And then we have heard that Republicans have biased every major election.

00:42:26.000 George W. Bush was not legitimately elected.

00:42:28.000 Donald Trump was not legitimately elected.

00:42:30.000 Stacey Abrams is the actual governor of Georgia.

00:42:33.000 Voter fraud is rampant in Republican states.

00:42:36.000 Republicans attempt to suppress the vote.

00:42:38.000 This is a generic Democratic talking point at this point.

00:42:40.000 There have been full articles written about John Podesta prepping for the possibility of insane post-election maneuvering should Donald Trump win victory.

00:42:51.000 We know that the Biden team has hired hundreds of lawyers in preparation for exactly that.

00:42:55.000 There's a weird 20,000-word piece in The Atlantic positing all these bizarre scenarios whereby Donald Trump was going to hole up in the White House like Al Pacino at the end of Scarface snorting coke and firing guns to prevent being dragged out of the Oval Office even after losing an election legitimately.

00:43:12.000 So this is left-wing wish-casting.

00:43:14.000 If Donald Trump loses the election, he will go.

00:43:17.000 Now, Donald Trump made a boo-boo in the last debate because he decided to play right into all of that.

00:43:20.000 So Donald Trump plays the same game as the left.

00:43:22.000 This is the deep truth of Donald Trump.

00:43:25.000 He's a funhouse mirror for the left.

00:43:27.000 Everything the left does, Donald Trump does, except a little bit more.

00:43:30.000 So if you get Chris Cuomo doing the cable news routine, you get Donald Trump doing the cable news routine, except more.

00:43:35.000 If the left suggests that election fraud is going to skew the election such that Republicans are going to win, you'll get Donald Trump saying exactly the same thing back to them.

00:43:42.000 You guys are going to skew the election results so that you guys win.

00:43:45.000 And then, that plays into the left-wing narrative.

00:43:47.000 So this has been the left-wing narrative for the last couple of days because Donald Trump, when asked about the election, said there's the possibility for serious election fraud, there's the serious possibility of voter fraud, and votes not being counted, and it could be a mess.

00:43:58.000 Now, the real answer to that is a duly certified election is one that I will respect.

00:44:02.000 If we have evidence of malfeasance, then that is something that we'll have to deal with when it comes up.

00:44:07.000 That's the actual answer.

00:44:08.000 That's always the answer.

00:44:09.000 But because Trump is Trump, he immediately went to, well, you know, we'll have to see.

00:44:13.000 And then when we see, maybe we won't, maybe we will.

00:44:16.000 So now the media have spun up this entire narrative as an attack on voting.

00:44:22.000 So there's a huge article in the New York Times about how Trump is depressing the vote.

00:44:27.000 They literally say that Trump is undermining the election by claiming voter fraud.

00:44:31.000 So I have a question.

00:44:33.000 They're saying that Donald Trump is a threat to the legitimacy of the elections, but also he is a threat to the election because he himself is responsible for voter fraud.

00:44:43.000 So either he likes the voter fraud or he doesn't like the voter fraud, but apparently he likes both, right?

00:44:47.000 No matter what, how the election goes, Donald Trump will be responsible.

00:44:50.000 So if Donald Trump wins, it'll be due to voter fraud.

00:44:51.000 Also, if Donald Trump loses and then claims voter fraud, it's because he's bad, right?

00:44:55.000 This is the way that the media are playing his comments the other night.

00:44:58.000 That doesn't mean that Trump has handled that issue properly.

00:45:00.000 I criticized him yesterday on the show for handling the issue that way, but this is the narrative that Democrats are drawing because it's a heads I win, tails you lose scenario.

00:45:07.000 Again, if Donald Trump wins, it's because of voter fraud.

00:45:10.000 There's an attack.

00:45:12.000 On Trump in the New York Times called the attack on voting with just a bunch of and basically the entire story is a bunch of tweets from Trump about how there are various forms of voting that are a problem.

00:45:24.000 All those headlines about voter fraud amplified daily on Facebook and Twitter served a purpose, says the New York Times.

00:45:28.000 They laid the groundwork for a legal challenge.

00:45:30.000 The Trump campaign had a team of election lawyers standing by to dispute election results throughout the country.

00:45:35.000 And Republican National Lawyers Association had readied a self-described Navy SEAL type operation to fight similar cases.

00:45:41.000 In the event of a Republican loss, they would need a story and fraud it was.

00:45:43.000 The truth appeared to be a secondary concern at best.

00:45:47.000 There is only one problem with this, which is, of course, Democrats have also hired the exact same number of people.

00:45:52.000 As the 2020 presidential election nears, says the New York Times, it is becoming clear the Trump administration and the Republican Party are not just looking at, but heavily investing in the largely non-existent problem of voter fraud.

00:46:03.000 A New York Times magazine investigation based on a review of thousands of pages of court records and interviews with more than 100 key players found an extensive effort to gain partisan advantage by aggressively promoting the false claim that voter fraud is a pervasive problem.

00:46:16.000 The story did not originate with Trump.

00:46:17.000 And then, of course, they suggest that this is all about racism.

00:46:21.000 Of course.

00:46:22.000 It's not that Trump is trying to suppress votes of people who don't vote for him. 0.99

00:46:25.000 It's that he's a racist.

00:46:28.000 Voter fraud is an adaptable fiction, says the New York Times, and the president has tailored it to the moment.

00:46:32.000 So, what instead you have from the left is voter suppression.

00:46:34.000 If Trump loses, then it's because he lost legitimately.

00:46:38.000 But if he wins, it's because of voter suppression.

00:46:40.000 If he wins, it's because he said voter fraud and that created voter suppression.

00:46:44.000 Which, again, is a myth.

00:46:44.000 There is no voter suppression in the United States.

00:46:46.000 Nobody's blocking anybody from voting. 1.00

00:46:49.000 So again, another media crafted narrative into which Trump falls headfirst because this is the way our stupid politics work. 0.99

00:46:56.000 And by the way, if you think that it's getting better after if Trump loses, it's not getting better. 0.76

00:47:00.000 It's just that all of us will be weaponized on behalf of Biden the same way that it was weaponized on behalf of Barack Obama and enemies of the Biden administration will become enemies of the press.

00:47:08.000 Okay.

00:47:09.000 Meanwhile, speaking of the militarization of certain aspects of our government, James Comey went to the Hill yesterday.

00:47:15.000 So, as it turns out, there have been a variety of stories that have arisen over the past several years demonstrating that the FBI investigation into the Trump campaign was falsely premised, that the Steele dossier, which was the center of the thing, was basically Russian disinformation, and that people knew by the end of 2016 it was Russian disinformation, and they continued to promulgate it as the basis for FISA warrants.

00:47:38.000 So James Comey, who presided over the FBI during this entire period and is going to go down in history as maybe the worst FBI director ever.

00:47:45.000 I mean, really, truly an awful FBI director.

00:47:47.000 So James Comey.

00:47:49.000 Testified on the Hill.

00:47:50.000 And he testified in the aftermath of a bombshell allegation.

00:47:54.000 Annie McCarthy reporting for National Review.

00:47:56.000 Hillary Clinton personally signed off on the Russiagate farce to distract attention from her email scandal, according to a Russian intelligence analysis obtained by U.S.

00:48:03.000 intelligence agencies in July 2016.

00:48:05.000 That is the bombshell allegation National Intelligence Director John Ratcliffe has just dropped on the Senate Judiciary Committee with the first presidential debate just a few hours away and with former FBI Director James Comey scheduled to testify before that committee tomorrow morning.

00:48:19.000 Ratcliffe's letter to committee chairman Lindsey Graham asserts that in late July 2016, American intelligence agencies obtained insight into an analysis by Russian spies, which alleged that Democratic U.S.

00:48:29.000 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a plan to stir up a scandal against her Republican opponent, Donald Trump. 0.98

00:48:34.000 The plan involved, quote, tying Trump to Putin and the Russians hacking of the DNC.

00:48:39.000 Let's put this information in context.

00:48:42.000 was cleared of criminal charges in a July 5th, 2016 presser by Comey.

00:48:46.000 This prompted outrage over whether the Obama administration had distorted the criminal law applicable to mishandling classified information to give Clinton a pass.

00:48:53.000 The email scandal would dog Clinton throughout the campaign.

00:48:55.000 On July 25th, less than three weeks after the Comey press conference, the 2016 DNC convention began in Philadelphia.

00:49:01.000 Three days earlier, July 22nd, the hacked DNC emails began to be published.

00:49:06.000 By that point, former British spy Christopher Steele had been commissioned by the Clinton campaign to compile research tying Trump to Russia.

00:49:11.000 Steele ran a London-based private intelligence business whose clients include Russian oligarchs.

00:49:16.000 Moreover, in compiling the dossier, Steele relied heavily on Igor Donchenko, a man the FBI investigated in 2009-2010 on suspicion he was a Russian spy.

00:49:25.000 Days after the hacked DNC emails began being published, Steele generated a dossier report alleging that Trump was in a quote, well-developed conspiracy of cooperation with Russian leadership.

00:49:34.000 The evidence of extensive conspiracy between Trump's campaign team and the Kremlin, Steele claimed, included the hacking and publication of DNC emails.

00:49:42.000 The Russian regime had been behind the recent leak of embarrassing email messages emanating from the DNC's WikiLeaks. The operation, said Steele, had the full knowledge and support of Trump and senior members of the team. In exchange, Trump had purportedly committed to both downplay Russian intervention in Ukraine and raise American defense commitments to NATO as campaign issues.

00:50:00.000 Further, Steele claimed that Trump had, quote, moles within the DNC and hackers in the U.S., as well as outside in Russia.

00:50:06.000 On the Trump side, Steele said the conspiracy was managed by Paul Manafort, who is purportedly using Carter Page as an intermediary.

00:50:12.000 The story was absurd through and through.

00:50:15.000 As McCarthy says, Clinton is not a correspondent in the DNC emails and was not harmed by them.

00:50:19.000 Plainly, it would have been easy for Steele to weave this tale together from public reporting.

00:50:23.000 Page and Manafort didn't know each other.

00:50:25.000 In the same dossier report, Steele claimed Russia was using its consulate in Miami as a hub for the arrangement with Trump.

00:50:30.000 Russia didn't even have a consulate in Miami.

00:50:34.000 Ratcliffe's letter concedes the U.S.

00:50:35.000 intelligence community does not know the accuracy of the allegation that Hillary personally orchestrated the collusion scandal, nor can our agencies say whether Russian intelligence analysis is disinformation.

00:50:44.000 Nevertheless, the allegation about Clinton's role was known to the Obama administration at the time.

00:50:49.000 Ratcliffe elaborates the handwritten notes from former CIA Director John Brennan's show.

00:50:53.000 Brennan briefed Obama and other senior national security officials about the intelligence, including the quote, alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016, of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.

00:51:09.000 Apparently, in early September, U.S.

00:51:11.000 intel officials forwarded to FBI Director Comey and Agent Peter Strzok an investigative referral regarding, quote, U.S.

00:51:17.000 presidential candidate Hillary Clinton's approval of a plan concerning U.S. 0.96

00:51:20.000 presidential candidate Donald Trump and Russian hackers hampering U.S.

00:51:23.000 elections as a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server. 1.00

00:51:29.000 Director Radcliffe closes his letter by explaining there is other related intelligence that remains classified.

00:51:33.000 Apparently, that intelligence will not be declassified.

00:51:37.000 It turns out that CIA Director Gina Haspel, according to Sean Davis over at The Federalist, is blocking release of further Russiagate documents.

00:51:44.000 Okay, so now we have a Russian intelligence document, which itself could be disinformation, claiming that Hillary Clinton basically concocted the whole Russiagate scandal in order to distract from emailgate.

00:51:56.000 Is that true?

00:51:56.000 Is that not?

00:51:57.000 We have no idea.

00:51:58.000 But we certainly know that the Russian dossier, the Steele dossier, was Russian disinformation.

00:52:03.000 So we know that much.

00:52:04.000 Do we know that this was Russian disinformation?

00:52:05.000 We have no idea.

00:52:06.000 One thing we do know, the FBI botched this thing from beginning to end.

00:52:10.000 So James Comey, the self-righteous former FBI director, he appears in front of Congress yesterday.

00:52:15.000 And he proceeds to spout a bunch of conspiracy theories.

00:52:18.000 So, for example, he was asked about Trump's finances, and he just speculates that Trump's finances make him susceptible to blackmail.

00:52:24.000 Again, this is the guy who is tasked with leading—he was—with the leading law enforcement agency of the United States, the FBI.

00:52:32.000 He was tasked with heading that, and he's just out there engaging in rank speculation.

00:52:36.000 This doofus was running the entire operation.

00:52:39.000 Mr. Comey, is personal debt an important consideration when an individual is seeking a security clearance?

00:52:47.000 Yes.

00:52:48.000 Why?

00:52:50.000 Because a person's financial situation could make them vulnerable to coercion by an adversary, and allow an adversary to do what we try to do to foreign government officials we find are indebted, and that is recruit them to our side.

00:53:04.000 Go ahead, I'm sorry.

00:53:07.000 So it's a serious issue in any background review.

00:53:09.000 So someone with substantial personal debt may be vulnerable to influence by a foreign adversary?

00:53:16.000 Yes.

00:53:17.000 A government official.

00:53:19.000 Okay, so this is the, again, the Democrats trying to concoct various conspiracy theories about Trump.

00:53:24.000 Now, those conspiracy theories about Trump were used to target the Trump campaign.

00:53:28.000 They were used to target Carter Page.

00:53:29.000 Falsely.

00:53:29.000 Now, hilariously, James Comey then testified in front of Congress.

00:53:33.000 that everything in Russiagate was done by the book, which is patently untrue.

00:53:37.000 I mean, it's clearly, clearly untrue.

00:53:38.000 Here's Lindsey Graham asking him about it.

00:53:39.000 How would you rate the Crossfire Hurricane investigation in terms of being done thoroughly by the book, an investigation the FBI should be proud of?

00:53:52.000 I'm not sure I can apply a number scale, but I would say in the main, it was done by the book.

00:54:00.000 It was appropriate and it was essential Okay.

00:54:05.000 So you're proud of it?

00:54:08.000 Overall I'm proud of the work.

00:54:09.000 There are parts of it that are concerning, which I'm sure we'll talk about, but overall I'm proud of the work.

00:54:14.000 Proud of the work.

00:54:14.000 Okay, so what exactly did James Comey know about the work?

00:54:17.000 As it turns out, he knew nothing about the work.

00:54:19.000 So he was asked over and over again about the investigation, and he just said, I can't recall.

00:54:23.000 I don't know.

00:54:23.000 I can't recall, but I'm very proud of it.

00:54:26.000 I don't remember.

00:54:27.000 That's about all I recall.

00:54:29.000 I don't remember.

00:54:30.000 I don't remember learning anything additional about Steele's sources.

00:54:33.000 Not that I recall, no.

00:54:35.000 I don't remember ever using me.

00:54:37.000 I don't recall that.

00:54:38.000 So do you recall?

00:54:40.000 I do not.

00:54:41.000 Do you recall?

00:54:41.000 I do not.

00:54:42.000 I don't remember any discussion.

00:54:43.000 I don't remember using that word.

00:54:45.000 But I don't remember using that word.

00:54:47.000 I don't remember ever being informed.

00:54:49.000 I don't recall being informed of that.

00:54:50.000 Did you ask any questions or do any due diligence on this at all?

00:54:54.000 I don't remember anything about the facts that have been revealed recently about the subsource.

00:54:59.000 Okay, so...

00:55:00.000 But he's very proud of the work.

00:55:02.000 That was the guy who was trusted to lead up this operation.

00:55:04.000 I mean, Comey himself said, by the way, that there's this FISA application taken out against Carter Page.

00:55:09.000 It was based on that Steele dossier. 0.99

00:55:11.000 It was predicated entirely on crap. 0.99

00:55:13.000 And they knew it was crap, apparently, when they took out the renewals of the FISA warrant. 0.98

00:55:17.000 Lindsey Graham asked Comey about it, and he was like, well, you know, even though I personally signed the documentation, it's not my job to make sure the FISA applications are accurate. 0.89

00:55:24.000 Oh, is that how that works?

00:55:26.000 Whose job is it to make sure the facts are right when you present them to the FISA court?

00:55:33.000 Well, the most basic level, the affiant, whoever is signing the affidavit.

00:55:37.000 Did you sign the affidavit?

00:55:39.000 No, I signed a certification which is required of the FBI director.

00:55:43.000 Okay, does the FBI director have any responsibility to make sure the facts are right when they're given to the court?

00:55:50.000 Not in connection with the certification, but in general, the FBI director is responsible for everything that's being done underneath the FBI director.

00:55:57.000 Oh, but he's not responsible for anything because it's not his job.

00:56:00.000 It's not his job.

00:56:01.000 Ted Cruz concluded this line of questioning by basically slapping Comey around.

00:56:04.000 He says, you know, at this point, I don't know what to tell.

00:56:06.000 Is this just incompetence or deliberate corruption?

00:56:09.000 Like, what the hell happened here? 0.88

00:56:11.000 This investigation of the president was corrupt.

00:56:13.000 The FBI and the Department of Justice were politicized and weaponized.

00:56:18.000 And in my opinion, there are only two possibilities. 0.86

00:56:21.000 That you were deliberately corrupt or woefully incompetent.

00:56:25.000 And I don't believe you were incompetent.

00:56:29.000 This has done severe damage to the professionals and the honorable men and women at the FBI because law enforcement should not be used as a political weapon.

00:56:40.000 And that Is the legacy you've left.

00:56:44.000 So, how easy is it?

00:56:45.000 You know, people say, how easy is it for the media to concoct various narratives about political figures?

00:56:51.000 The answer is very, very easy.

00:56:52.000 For three long years, and now into the fourth year, we've been told that Donald Trump was a cat's paw of the Russians.

00:56:58.000 And now the media have concocted other narratives, and their narratives include that Donald Trump is going to steal the election somehow.

00:57:02.000 He is not.

00:57:03.000 They've concocted the narrative that Republicans are routinely engaged in voter suppression.

00:57:06.000 They have not.

00:57:07.000 They've concocted the narrative that that debate the other night was all about Trump going soft on white supremacy.

00:57:12.000 It was not.

00:57:14.000 In the end, will there be a comeuppance for the media?

00:57:16.000 I think the comeuppance is already happening in that people are tuning out.

00:57:19.000 They're tuning out from the media.

00:57:20.000 And you know when that's really going to become apparent?

00:57:22.000 When Donald Trump is not president.

00:57:23.000 The sad irony of all of this for the media is that their greatest wish, which is to throw Trump out of office on his year, their greatest wish, which is to take Trump down and replace him with, again, the next step in the leftist revolution via elderly Joe Biden and his Potemkin village of an administration.

00:57:40.000 The goal is going to result in their utter destruction.

00:57:43.000 Why?

00:57:44.000 Because it turns out that they feed, they prey on Donald Trump.

00:57:49.000 They feed on him.

00:57:50.000 Trump feeds into it, obviously.

00:57:51.000 But they need Donald Trump.

00:57:53.000 It is a symbiotic relationship.

00:57:54.000 They require Donald Trump in order to get the ratings that generate all of the money that they use to push forward the agenda that they want.

00:58:03.000 And what happens when they are deprived of that?

00:58:05.000 Well, then it turns out more and more people are going to recognize them for the propaganda outlet they are.

00:58:09.000 And people are going to start ignoring the media again.

00:58:11.000 And you're going to see an uptick in the number of people who are going to alternative media sources.

00:58:15.000 And frankly, I think that'll be great for the country.

00:58:17.000 Okay, we'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content.

00:58:19.000 Otherwise, we'll see you here tomorrow.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - October 01, 2020

The Radioactive Debate Fallout | Ep. 1106

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