The Ben Shapiro Show - Trump Has Covid | Ep. 1107

00:00:00.000 So, President Trump has COVID.

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00:01:35.000 Okay, so obviously the big news of the day, of the month of the year, is that President Trump has been confirmed to have COVID.

00:01:43.000 He tweeted this news out last night.

00:01:45.000 He tweeted out that he and the First Lady have both been tested positive for COVID.

00:01:50.000 He tweeted tonight, Flotus and I tested positive for COVID-19.

00:01:53.000 We'll begin our quarantine and recovery process immediately.

00:01:56.000 We will get through this together.

00:01:58.000 And, you know, naturally, all the same people on Twitter with the blue check marks, you would expect, have been just about as nasty as you would expect.

00:02:05.000 Some people have not been.

00:02:06.000 Some people have been pretty classy about it.

00:02:07.000 We'll get to that in a second.

00:02:08.000 But the White House doctor did release a note.

00:02:12.000 on this. The White House doctor acknowledging that the president has come down with COVID.

00:02:17.000 Here is the letter. It says, I release the following information with the permission of President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump. This evening, I received confirmation that both President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump have tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 virus.

00:02:29.000 The president and first lady are both well at this time.

00:02:30.000 They plan to remain at home within the White House during their convalescence. The White House medical team and I will maintain a I appreciate the support provided by some of our country's greatest medical professions and institutions.

00:02:40.000 Rest assured, I expect the president to continue carrying out his duties without disruption while recovering.

00:02:44.000 I'll keep you updated on any future developments.

00:02:47.000 Now, obviously, we don't know the direction that COVID-19 is going to take.

00:02:50.000 The president is 74 years old.

00:02:51.000 He is overweight, which is a complicating factor.

00:02:53.000 It is a pre-existing condition.

00:02:55.000 It is an underlying condition that can exacerbate the effects of COVID-19.

00:02:59.000 So far, it has been reported That the president of the United States has a mild case, or at least his symptoms are mild.

00:03:06.000 We'll see how this plays forward.

00:03:08.000 Honestly, I think from a political point of view, obviously politics comes second.

00:03:11.000 So our prayers go out to the Trump family, just as they go out to any family that is suffering with COVID-19, which can in fact be a very serious disease.

00:03:20.000 Politically speaking, this throws a wrench into a lot of what's going on because we have a debate that is scheduled for about two weeks from now.

00:03:27.000 Presumably, if the president goes through the process and then he quarantines for 14 days, he will get out, I believe, literally the day of the debate to do that debate.

00:03:35.000 So it throws a wrench into that.

00:03:37.000 It obviously throws a wrench into his campaign schedule.

00:03:39.000 He's not going to be going out and doing public events for quite a while because he's supposed to, according to the CDC, quarantine for 10 to 14 days.

00:03:45.000 We have to see, of course, the vector that the disease is going to take.

00:03:49.000 Which direction the disease is going to take.

00:03:52.000 Here, the political fallout here is pretty obvious for Trump.

00:03:56.000 And the political fallout, as we'll see, is largely surrounding the severity of the disease.

00:04:01.000 If Trump recovers from the disease quickly, if it turns out that this virus is something that doesn't affect him really badly, and that in four or five days, he's basically back to normal, he has a mild case, then he's gonna be able to go out and he's gonna say, listen, I know that this thing definitely affects some people truly terribly, and we have to protect those people, we have to make sure they get all the care that they could possibly need.

00:04:22.000 But the truth is that the vast majority of cases tend to be rather mild.

00:04:26.000 And that is true.

00:04:27.000 I mean, statistically, it is true that the vast majority of these cases tend to be rather mild.

00:04:31.000 Virtually everyone below the age of 50 who gets this thing recovers of it.

00:04:35.000 The death rates on this thing are extraordinarily striated by age.

00:04:38.000 If you're under the age of 20, then your likelihood of dying from COVID-19 is something like Two in 10,000.

00:04:44.000 If you are above the age of 70, then your chances of dying of this thing are something like 5%, which is a lot higher, obviously.

00:04:52.000 And Trump is in that latter cohort.

00:04:54.000 So if he recovers quickly and if he recovers easily, he's going to be able to say with a certain amount of credibility that it is important to recognize that this disease does not affect everybody equivalently, that many of these cases are mild, and it's important to keep that in mind when we are talking about recovery and the campaign probably moves on.

00:05:10.000 Obviously, if it's Much more severe than we don't just have a political issue on our hands.

00:05:14.000 We have like an actual human life issue on our hands.

00:05:17.000 Now, it turns out a lot of people have been infected inside the White House.

00:05:20.000 Apparently, this thing started with Hope Hicks is the current supposition.

00:05:25.000 Hope Hicks, of course, is a top aide to the President of the United States.

00:05:28.000 Other people who have tested positive at this point include Ronna McDaniel.

00:05:32.000 She's a guest a little bit earlier on the show this week.

00:05:35.000 Ronna McDaniel, the chairwoman of the RNC, according to the New York Times, has tested positive for COVID and is experiencing mild symptoms, according to several people briefed on the situation.

00:05:43.000 McDaniel is the latest person in frequent contact with Trump to test positive for the virus.

00:05:43.000 Ms.

00:05:47.000 Apparently, she received her diagnosis on Wednesday, and after a crowded donor event in March at Mar-a-Lago, the president's private club in Florida, Ms.

00:05:53.000 McDaniel fell ill, but she tested negative way back then.

00:05:57.000 Of course, Trump is not the first world leader to be infected.

00:05:59.000 Prime Minister Boris Johnson of Britain had a very serious case.

00:06:02.000 I mean, he was actually hospitalized.

00:06:03.000 President Jair Bolsonaro of Brazil tested positive as well.

00:06:07.000 Bolsonaro's case was much milder than Johnson's case.

00:06:11.000 Both of those men are significantly younger than Trump.

00:06:14.000 He is older and probably at higher risk, just on a basic medical level, than either of those people.

00:06:20.000 It is true that a lot of people today are pointing out Trump's personal behavior, and we'll get into that in just a second.

00:06:27.000 And they're pointing out that earlier this week, he seemed lethargic and that, you know, he maybe should have taken precautions at that point while he was being tested.

00:06:33.000 At that point, Mike Pence, for what it's worth, Mike Pence and the second lady, Karen Pence, have both tested negative for the virus at this point.

00:06:42.000 And it is also true that A lot of people get this thing, and a lot of people recover from this thing, and a lot of people get it under different circumstances.

00:06:50.000 For example, Justin Trudeau's wife had this thing.

00:06:53.000 And so, there's this sort of belief out there, this talismanic belief, that if you do all of the right things, or what's even more bizarre, if you say all of the right things, that you're immune from the disease.

00:07:02.000 One of the things that's very frustrating to people who watch this, and attempt to be objective in any real way about this, is that there are certain things you can do to minimize the chances that you're gonna get it.

00:07:10.000 There's no guarantee you're not gonna get it, because we're all living life.

00:07:13.000 You're going to run into contact with people, N95 masks may provide you a significant barrier, they may provide you real protection, but cloth masks don't provide you the same protection.

00:07:23.000 The original idea of cloth masks was that mainly you're preventing other people from getting it, not that it prevents you from getting it.

00:07:29.000 There was a point a month ago where Anthony Fauci was suggesting this thing is transmissible via the eyes.

00:07:34.000 So he was suggesting that people actually wear goggles if they could.

00:07:37.000 So there's no guarantee that you're not going to get it.

00:07:38.000 There are things you can do to minimize it, and we'll talk about whether Trump has done those things.

00:07:41.000 But there's this belief on the left, as we'll see, that even more than any of that, if you virtue signal about the virus, this acts as some sort of protection.

00:07:50.000 So Trump's great sin here was not even his personal behavior.

00:07:53.000 It was the stuff that Trump said.

00:07:54.000 If Trump had just said, I'm super serious about it over and over and over, it would have been fine.

00:07:58.000 Or if Trump presumably had protested it like a Black Lives Matter rally, he wouldn't have gotten it.

00:08:02.000 Or if he did get it, then it would have been worth it because he would have been protesting racism.

00:08:06.000 One of the big problems with this entire debacle since March is that where we should have been following the science and being measured in our language about what works and what doesn't, where we should have pointed out that risk factors vary by age, where we should have pointed out That certain types of masks are better than other types of masks.

00:08:23.000 And we should have stopped this sort of virtue signaling about how if you wear a mask, but it's below your nose, that's better than not wearing a mask at all or something.

00:08:30.000 Or that if you wear a neck gaiter, that's, I mean, the CDC has said, by the way, a neck gaiter is actually worse than nothing.

00:08:35.000 A neck gaiter actually helps aerosolize your spit. 0.98

00:08:38.000 Like if you sneeze into a neck gaiter, it actually blows it through the thing like a sieve.

00:08:42.000 And then it just kind of makes it go further.

00:08:45.000 It actually aerosols it wider.

00:08:47.000 Okay, so My big problem here is twofold.

00:08:50.000 One, I think there's some legit criticisms to be made of how Trump has personally, in terms of his attitude and what he's conveyed to other people and his personal behavior, has handled COVID.

00:08:58.000 I also think that the media have set up these bizarre standards where you are immune to the disease if you are protesting for racial justice, where if you run around and virtue signal about wearing a mask 100 feet from other people, this somehow makes you immune to the disease when it really has nothing to do with any of that.

00:09:17.000 There's this sort of talismanic worship of particular modes of discussing this disease.

00:09:22.000 That if you take it super seriously, then at least you're protected from the backlash or the mockery if you do get it.

00:09:28.000 And again, that is completely separated from the public policy discussion.

00:09:32.000 It's completely separated from a rational scientific discussion of these issues.

00:09:35.000 So for example, I've said on the show many times that if you're my age, if you're 36 and you're, thank God, healthy, I'm 36 and I'm healthy, I don't have any underlying conditions, if I get this thing I'm not particularly afraid of getting this thing because I'm 36 and I have no underlying conditions.

00:09:50.000 And then I said it is also possible that I could die of this thing if I get it because it is possible that anybody could die of this thing if they get it, although the chances are extremely unlikely.

00:09:58.000 Now, because I've said the former part, which is that, statistically speaking, I'm extremely unlikely to die of this disease, if, God forbid, something were to happen to me, then the media would jump on that and suggest that I was taking it lightly, even though I specifically say, at the end of that sentence, that it could happen to me, it's just very unlikely that it's going to happen to me.

00:10:15.000 People do not seem to understand how statistics work in any real way.

00:10:18.000 So if you say things like, Trump has said before, that not very many people are dying of this thing relative to the percentage of the population at this point, depending on age, That may be statistically true.

00:10:29.000 It can also be insensitive.

00:10:33.000 But people will use that as an example of Trump not taking the thing seriously, as opposed to, is what he is saying actually true?

00:10:40.000 He said earlier that if you're young and you get it, you really are not at high risk.

00:10:42.000 That happens to be a true statement.

00:10:43.000 That's not an example of him not taking it seriously.

00:10:46.000 And you saying that you are at high risk if you're five, as opposed to if you're 80, is actually being statistically Irresponsible with the information, but morally irresponsible, right?

00:10:55.000 This is sort of the divide that has happened, is that if you discuss this thing in a statistically responsible way, then you are charged with being morally irresponsible.

00:11:01.000 It's the AOC version of reality.

00:11:04.000 And if you say things that are statistically irresponsible, if you say, well, yes, it's true that older people get it, but if you're young, you definitely could die of it without any sort of examination of the base rates or of the actual death rates, the infection fatality rates, then you are considered good. 0.95

00:11:16.000 And so if something happens to you, then we can say, well, at least you took it seriously, right?

00:11:19.000 That was a good person.

00:11:21.000 It's become a moral battle as much as it has been a scientific battle.

00:11:25.000 We'll get to more of that in just one second.

00:11:27.000 And we will trace President Trump's actions over the past few days.

00:11:30.000 Members of the media are starting to go nuts because now they are saying that Kayleigh McEnany was exposed to this thing back on Wednesday.

00:11:35.000 Did she know that she was exposed to this thing back on Wednesday when she did her presser?

00:11:40.000 Yes, I'm sure Kayleigh McEnany walked into the press room and just deliberately blew COVID all over everybody. 1.00

00:11:45.000 I'm sure that she hates the press that much, Kayleigh McEnany.

00:11:47.000 I mean, we're getting a little bit over our skis here, guys.

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00:13:05.000 There are now questions as to how many people Trump has come into contact with.

00:13:10.000 So obviously he debated Joe Biden.

00:13:14.000 A little bit earlier this week, they were socially distanced in that debate.

00:13:17.000 They look like they're probably 10 feet apart.

00:13:20.000 Now, it was a very loud debate.

00:13:22.000 I assume that Joe Biden is being continuously tested, as well he should be.

00:13:24.000 I mean, Joe Biden is 78 years old, and he does not look like he is in significantly wonderful health.

00:13:29.000 So I'm hoping, you know, truly, that Joe Biden is being regularly tested.

00:13:33.000 By the way, I hope that everybody who's suspicious that they might have symptoms is regularly tested, or that if you're going to be in contact with somebody who is vulnerable, that you're regularly tested.

00:13:43.000 Yeah, I would say pretty meticulous on this sort of stuff.

00:13:46.000 I think since March, I've been tested some five times, knowing that I was going to be in contact with somebody else.

00:13:52.000 I've had an antibody test twice.

00:13:54.000 I believe that testing is a very, very good thing.

00:13:56.000 And I'm hopeful and I'm sure that Joe Biden has been tested for this thing.

00:14:02.000 But the president was in contact with Joe Biden a little bit earlier this week.

00:14:06.000 Apparently, it was evident earlier this week that he was feeling poorly.

00:14:10.000 Like, as of Tuesday, Wednesday, it became pretty clear that he was a little bit under the weather.

00:14:16.000 According to the UK Daily Mail, fears that the president may have contracted the virus were raised after it was revealed that Hope Hicks had traveled on both Marine One, the presidential helicopter, and on Air Force One in the last seven days, which transported the president and his staff to the presidential debate on Tuesday and other campaign rallies around the country.

00:14:30.000 Hicks also traveled with the president to a rally in Pennsylvania last Saturday, where she was seen maskless and clapping to the Village People's YMCA.

00:14:36.000 She's also been pictured with Jared Kushner and other senior White House staff in that time.

00:14:40.000 Now, Jared and Ivanka have both tested negative.

00:14:42.000 for COVID. So that means the Depenses have tested negative.

00:14:45.000 It means the Kushners have tested negative. Trump and his wife have tested positive. Ronald McDaniel has tested positive. That's what we know thus far. So here is sort of the timeline.

00:14:53.000 September 26th, the Trump family flew to Pennsylvania where they did a bit of an event. The president did meet with Judge Amy Coney Barrett a little bit earlier this week.

00:15:08.000 Again, right now, the date is October 2nd.

00:15:10.000 So the chances that he conveyed it to Amy Coney Barrett are extremely, extremely low.

00:15:13.000 I'm sure she's been tested as well.

00:15:15.000 Democrats are trying to claim, by the way, that this should be a case for pushing off the confirmation for Amy Coney Barrett.

00:15:20.000 Amy Coney Barrett doesn't have it.

00:15:22.000 And by the way, even if she did, that would not be a case for pushing off the confirmation so long as she is capable of Zooming into the session.

00:15:27.000 I mean, they literally had James Comey testify in front of the Senate by Zoom.

00:15:31.000 So Amy Coney Barrett could do exactly the same thing.

00:15:34.000 On September 28th, President Trump gave an update on COVID-19 testing strategy with the VP before meeting with White House Trade Advisor Peter Navarro to inspect a new electric pickup truck.

00:15:44.000 On September 29th, he went to Ohio.

00:15:47.000 Before boarding Marine One, the president was pictured waving to crowds of supporters During the debate, they stood Trump and Biden over six feet apart, but they did not wear masks, obviously.

00:15:58.000 On September 30th, which is just a couple of days ago, at which point it is probable that Trump had contracted COVID, right?

00:16:04.000 Because Hope Hicks was confirmed on Wednesday.

00:16:06.000 Ivanka Trump shared a picture of her Instagram account with her and her dad on Air Force One.

00:16:11.000 Later that day, the president traveled again with Hope Hicks to another campaign rally, this time in Duluth, Minnesota.

00:16:16.000 He was seen in front of a large crowd of people, many of whom were not wearing masks.

00:16:19.000 He threw a hat into the crowd on October 1st.

00:16:22.000 Before Trump would later announce his positive test results, Ivanka was pictured visiting Charlotte, North Carolina, mingling with members of the public.

00:16:27.000 And Trump attended a fundraiser in New Jersey where he participated in a roundtable with a bunch of supporters, apparently many of whom are now very nervous because he was in close proximity to them.

00:16:37.000 All of this, of course, raises questions about the president's personal behavior in the aftermath of Hope Hicks doing this.

00:16:43.000 Should he have been acting this way?

00:16:45.000 Should he have been in close contact with people?

00:16:48.000 Given the fact that he is 74 years old and, again, overweight, if I were advising the president, I would have told him a long time ago that he should be masked up in close proximity to people.

00:16:56.000 I've told my own parents they should be masked up in close proximity to people, and my parents are 64, not 74.

00:17:02.000 I tend to be on the cautious side.

00:17:03.000 Now, Trump is fully capable of choosing what he wants to choose.

00:17:06.000 There are certain risks that come attendant on that.

00:17:08.000 It's a free country.

00:17:10.000 That does carry questions about the messaging that he's been pushing to the American public about being cautious.

00:17:15.000 And this is what the media have been jumping on full scale.

00:17:18.000 So in a second, we're going to get to some of the classy leftists and then we'll get to some of the not classy leftists.

00:17:23.000 And then we'll get into the broader debate over Trump and how this affects the election and everything that has to do with Trump's promulgation of messaging on COVID.

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00:18:51.000 Rachel Maddow was classy about this. 1.00

00:18:52.000 this. She tweeted out, God bless the president and the first lady. If you pray, please pray for their speedy and complete recovery and for everyone infected everywhere. This virus is horrific and merciless. No one would wish its wrath on anyone. We must get it spread and under control enough. Okay, that is a class irresponsible.

00:19:06.000 Joe Biden, for his part, sends a classy response.

00:19:09.000 He tweeted out, Jill and I send our thoughts to President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump for a swift recovery.

00:19:13.000 We will continue to pray for the health and safety of the President and his family.

00:19:16.000 This is the proper response.

00:19:17.000 Then there are the people, the blue checks on Twitter, who are giving, I would say, rather improper responses.

00:19:22.000 So just one example. 0.90

00:19:23.000 The former national spokeswoman for Hillary Clinton's 2016 campaign and former Obama White House staffer, her name is Zahra Rahim, she tweeted out, literally, it's been against my moral identity to tweet this for the past four years, but I hope he dies. 0.66

00:19:36.000 Doesn't seem that nice.

00:19:37.000 Linda Sarsour, who is a delight, she tweeted out, seems like someone don't want to go back to the debate stage. 0.97

00:19:42.000 So apparently he's now faking COVID in order to avoid debating Donald Trump.

00:19:45.000 Yes, I am sure that that is what's happening.

00:19:48.000 George Conway, always classy.

00:19:50.000 He tweeted out, he failed to protect the country.

00:19:52.000 He couldn't even protect himself.

00:19:54.000 Yes, that's delightful.

00:19:57.000 Just wonderful.

00:19:58.000 Comedian Hari Kondabalu tweeted out my response to people telling me to take the higher ground.

00:20:02.000 Hashtag Trump has COVID.

00:20:03.000 And it's a picture of a man flipping somebody off.

00:20:07.000 Marley Rivera, a sports writer for ESPN, said, there is a God. 0.97

00:20:11.000 John Fuglesang, alleged comedian and originator of the term being Fuglesang, which means somebody tells a really stupid joke about you, but then thinks they're really funny. 0.94

00:20:20.000 I coined that term, by the way. 0.83

00:20:21.000 John Fuglesang tweeted out, Oh, funny, funny, funny stuff.

00:20:28.000 Okay, so some people were classy, some people were not.

00:20:30.000 I think overall, some of the top figures were classy.

00:20:33.000 The media, less classy.

00:20:35.000 The media, less classy.

00:20:36.000 Because the media are interested in the narrative above all.

00:20:40.000 Now, again, there are a couple things that the media ought to mention at the top.

00:20:43.000 One is you can take as many protective measures as you want.

00:20:46.000 There's no guarantee you're not going to get COVID.

00:20:48.000 That is just a reality of the situation.

00:20:50.000 That doesn't mean that you should ignore those protective measures if you don't want to get COVID.

00:20:53.000 It does mean that pretending that you have the all-sure knowledge of when people are going to get COVID and how they get COVID Then I guess you know more than virtually all of the medical professionals because we are still trying to figure out who the super spreaders are, how they spread, under what conditions this thing spreads.

00:21:09.000 We're seven months in and we still don't know the answers to a lot of these questions, but apparently Don Lemon does.

00:21:14.000 So CNN's Don Lemon, who is just the worst. 0.89

00:21:15.000 I mean, he is, I was for a while wondering whether Don Lemon was the dumbest man on TV or if it was Chris Cuomo. 0.96

00:21:20.000 It's pretty obviously Don Lemon at this point. 0.96

00:21:22.000 So Don Lemon.

00:21:23.000 on CNN was essentially ripping on Trump because he says that Trump had called COVID a hoax.

00:21:29.000 Trump never called COVID a hoax.

00:21:31.000 He did not.

00:21:32.000 That's a lie.

00:21:33.000 It's just not true.

00:21:34.000 Trump said that the Democratic response to the virus, which was that the White House was totally inept and all of this, he said the media playing up the White House's bad response was a hoax.

00:21:45.000 Okay, and you may agree with that or you may disagree with that, but he never said the virus itself is a hoax.

00:21:49.000 I mean, go back and look at the actual comments.

00:21:50.000 This has been fact-checked by virtually every fact-checker.

00:21:52.000 It is not true that Trump called COVID-19 a hoax, but Don Lemon, your objective journalism expert over at CNN, he says that the president, the hoax got him, the hoax got him.

00:22:04.000 Is this a moment of reckoning for the president and this administration?

00:22:08.000 For all of the pretending or looking the other way, and trying to convince people otherwise of the science, for whatever reason, whether it was to make sure that he was re-elected, to make sure that he had high standing with the public, or just for whatever reason, because of the economy, is this now a moment of reckoning that Yes, this is real.

00:22:35.000 It is not a hoax.

00:22:36.000 Okay, no one said it was a hoax.

00:22:40.000 This is a moment of reckoning.

00:22:41.000 So again, the media's take here is that if Trump had just said the right things, if Trump had been super strict in what he said, then he wouldn't have gotten COVID.

00:22:48.000 And this is part and parcel of the media's general take on COVID, which is that the only thing that you can do and receive the media's world wisdom And all of their sycophantic love is just shut everything down, right?

00:23:00.000 This is part and parcel of the entire lockdown debate, because their view is that if you lock everything down, then you can be blamed for nothing.

00:23:07.000 Whereas if you say that certain things should be open, or if you talk about the gradated risks of COVID, if you talk about the actual fact regarding mask wearing, which is that the evidence is somewhat mixed, given the fact that in Northern Europe they don't mask up, in Southern Europe they do mask up, and there are differential rates, that tend to benefit Northern Europe, or the fact that you actually have to have a class on how to wear a mask properly, or that different types of masks serve differently, right?

00:23:29.000 If you mention any of that, then they will say that you are downplaying the effectiveness of masks because it's proven that if you wear a mask, it's better than if you don't wear a mask.

00:23:35.000 Okay, well, that is true if everyone properly wears the mask, but it is not true if there are people who are improperly wearing the mask, or if they're wearing it under their nose, right?

00:23:42.000 If you mention any of that stuff, they say you are downplaying mask wearing, because we have now conflated, and this is a deeper conversation, we have now conflated in American politics People saying true things and people inferring things from those true things.

00:23:54.000 So if I say a fact and somebody infers something that I don't agree with from that fact, the media will hold me responsible for the inference.

00:24:02.000 If I say something that is factual and somebody takes it too far, the media will then try to hold me responsible for the inference.

00:24:08.000 By the way, this only works one way.

00:24:10.000 If you're on the right, this is true.

00:24:12.000 If somebody on the right says something and it happens to be a true thing, and then somebody takes that true thing and spins it completely out of proportion and does something crazy based on it, they will hold the right responsible for it.

00:24:21.000 On the left, this is never true.

00:24:23.000 On the left, you can say virtually anything you want, whether it's true or false, and the media will never hold you responsible for the baseline factual truth or falsity of the situation.

00:24:32.000 But this is one of the things that's happened with the entire COVID discussion.

00:24:35.000 So if Ron DeSantis in Florida says, here, by age and by preexisting condition, is the death rate on COVID?

00:24:41.000 They'll say, ah, look at that.

00:24:43.000 People are gonna take that, and now they're gonna be irresponsible, and that's Ron DeSantis' fault.

00:24:46.000 Why is that Ron DeSantis' fault?

00:24:48.000 Do we have to assume that people don't have agency?

00:24:50.000 I mean, the basic bottom line leftist view is that people very often do not have agency.

00:24:54.000 Their view is that only the government can mandate things.

00:24:57.000 But this ties into how people are responding to all of this.

00:25:02.000 Because it turns out that Trump's attitude and what he says are very often in conflict.

00:25:08.000 People have drawn messages from Trump that Trump himself has not necessarily said.

00:25:12.000 So I'll take a perfect example.

00:25:13.000 We'll take a perfect example from the debate.

00:25:15.000 We'll get to that in just one second.

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00:26:38.000 Let's talk for a second about some of the stuff that Trump has said because very often Trump will say something that is Fairly factual, but said in a particular manner.

00:26:46.000 And so the media focus in on the matter rather than on the fact of what he is saying.

00:26:49.000 Perfect example.

00:26:50.000 Yesterday, Kyle Griffin, who's a senior producer for MSNBC's The Last Word, he tweeted out, Trump doesn't wear masks.

00:26:57.000 Trump doesn't promote social distancing.

00:26:59.000 White House staff don't wear masks.

00:27:00.000 White House staff don't social distance.

00:27:02.000 Trump holds large rallies and events where no one wears masks and no one social distances.

00:27:05.000 Okay, so there's truth to some of this and there's untruth to some of this.

00:27:08.000 So Trump sometimes does wear masks.

00:27:11.000 Trump does at his rally social distance from the other people in the crowd.

00:27:14.000 I don't know what it means to promote social distancing, right?

00:27:17.000 He's literally said in speeches and from the White House rostrum at the press conferences that people should socially distance.

00:27:23.000 And he has said that you should wear masks.

00:27:24.000 One of the problems for Trump is that he has said so many things on this issue that people can sort of pick and choose from the tree.

00:27:30.000 I'm not going to pretend that Trump has been consistent in his messaging because he is not.

00:27:33.000 And it's that inconsistency in messaging that politically is coming back to bite him right now.

00:27:37.000 The fact is that if Trump had said, listen, if you're under the age of 50, the threat to you is not particularly grave.

00:27:43.000 Go out and do what you want.

00:27:44.000 And then he had held by that.

00:27:45.000 He said, but, Lilliton, I'm 74.

00:27:46.000 I'm wearing a mask.

00:27:47.000 I'm socially distancing.

00:27:48.000 Then you live by that.

00:27:49.000 But he's sort of been on all sides of the issue.

00:27:51.000 So, you know, the wishy-washiness of it is kind of a problem.

00:27:54.000 But it is not true that Trump never wears masks.

00:27:57.000 It's not true that Trump never promotes social distancing.

00:27:59.000 As far as White House staff not wearing masks, some White House staff do wear masks.

00:28:03.000 Other White House staff do not wear masks.

00:28:05.000 As far as White House staff not socially distancing, some White House staff do, some White House staff do not.

00:28:09.000 I know many members of the White House staff. 0.86

00:28:12.000 And as far as him holding large rallies and events where no one wears masks and no one socially distances, again, the media don't really have that much of a leg to stand on here, given the fact that they have been promoting huge open-air rallies with people not masked dancing around like idiots in the streets for months at a time. 0.93

00:28:29.000 So there's a bit of hypocrisy there as well. 0.51

00:28:32.000 Okay, so perfect example of the difference between Trump saying something that happens to be kind of factually true and the implication taken away from it and Trump being blamed for the implication.

00:28:43.000 I think sometimes that's fair.

00:28:44.000 I think sometimes that's not.

00:28:46.000 Trump attitudinally doesn't like the mask.

00:28:48.000 You can tell, right?

00:28:49.000 Attitudinally, Trump is not a fan of the masking.

00:28:52.000 He's been very wishy-washy about it from the beginning.

00:28:55.000 Does that mean that he has overtly told people don't wear masks?

00:28:58.000 No, he has not said that.

00:29:00.000 But we'll take an example.

00:29:01.000 So during the debate, here was Trump mocking Biden for wearing a mask uselessly.

00:29:06.000 Now people are going to ignore the last word of that sentence. 0.84

00:29:08.000 Uselessly.

00:29:08.000 He was asked, do you wear masks?

00:29:10.000 Why aren't you pushing masks?

00:29:11.000 And here was Trump's response to the debate just a couple of nights ago.

00:29:15.000 Are you questioning the efficacy of masks?

00:29:18.000 No, I think masks are okay.

00:29:19.000 You have to understand, if you look, I mean, I have a mask right here.

00:29:21.000 I put a mask on, you know, when I think I need it.

00:29:24.000 Tonight, as an example, everybody's had a test and you've had social distancing and all of the things that you have to, but I wear masks when needed.

00:29:32.000 When needed, I wear a mask.

00:29:33.000 Okay, let me ask.

00:29:35.000 I don't wear masks like him.

00:29:36.000 Every time you see him, he's got a mask.

00:29:38.000 He could be speaking 200 feet away from me and he shows up with the biggest mask I've ever seen.

00:29:44.000 Okay, people took this clip and they said, okay, that's Trump not promoting mask wearing.

00:29:47.000 Okay, but if you actually read the text of it, he is saying, Joe Biden is over here, not wearing the mask, like 200 feet away.

00:29:54.000 He's like 200 feet away from people when wearing a mask. 0.96

00:29:56.000 That's very silly. 0.91

00:29:57.000 Okay, it is silly to wear a mask if you're 200 feet away from other people. 0.95

00:29:59.000 There's no reason to do that.

00:30:01.000 But people took that as Trump is dismissive of masks overall.

00:30:04.000 And this does go to the power that I think that many members of the media and many members of the left think that political figures have over people's lives.

00:30:12.000 So people on the left believe that the reason that Joe Biden should wear a mask is because he needs to model to the American public that you need to wear a mask in all circumstances.

00:30:19.000 And that if he is wearing a mask 200 feet away from everybody else, then you should certainly be wearing a mask in close quarters.

00:30:24.000 Whereas Trump doesn't tend to model that behavior very well.

00:30:27.000 There's a lot of pictures of him not wearing a mask when he is fairly close with other people.

00:30:31.000 And he's not modeling the behavior.

00:30:32.000 And the case up till now has been, well, he's not modeling the behavior because he's one of the most tested people on earth.

00:30:36.000 He's surrounded by a bubble.

00:30:38.000 And You know, that's the way it works.

00:30:42.000 I mean, people around him are being regularly tested, presumably. 0.99

00:30:45.000 Well, now that he's gotten that, that's come to bite him in the butt, for sure. 0.96

00:30:48.000 But if you watch that clip, he's not saying never wear a mask. 0.96

00:30:51.000 The media take that as he's saying never wear a mask.

00:30:54.000 And this has become the media's talking point, is that masks are some sort of full-on guarantee.

00:30:59.000 So here is Chris Cuomo, the other block of wood over at CNN, saying that Trump wouldn't have needed to quarantine if he and his staff wore masks all the time.

00:31:07.000 The president may have to self-quarantine.

00:31:10.000 That's how it should be.

00:31:11.000 That's how it should be.

00:31:12.000 And if she had had a mask on, and if he had had a mask on, the chance that she would be sick now... This is more about the person at the top setting the example.

00:31:22.000 If the president had said, if he had made it mandatory in his meetings when he is in contact with her to wear a mask, Then we may not be in this situation.

00:31:32.000 They just needed to pull a Biden.

00:31:33.000 If he had had that mask on everywhere, nobody would be making fun of him because he's the only one who makes cracks about masks.

00:31:40.000 Okay, so just to point out here, Chris Cuomo had this thing.

00:31:43.000 Was Chris Cuomo not masking up?

00:31:44.000 Right, Chris Cuomo famously had this thing.

00:31:46.000 How'd he get it?

00:31:46.000 His entire family, by the way.

00:31:49.000 Got it.

00:31:50.000 And so, the sort of celebratory nature of a lot of the media coverage of this, which is like, karma has come to get Trump.

00:31:56.000 Karma has come to get Trump.

00:31:58.000 So, I'll be honest with you, I think that it will have some effectiveness.

00:32:01.000 Just politically speaking, I think it will have some effectiveness.

00:32:03.000 Because the American public basically breaks down into three groups.

00:32:08.000 It breaks down into a group of people who say that the virus is so serious that it's going to kill everyone.

00:32:13.000 There are people who are sort of panicked about the virus, to the point where a 28-year-old will say, I'm not... Like, this literally happened at a local school.

00:32:21.000 I know a lot of the parents there.

00:32:23.000 A 28-year-old teacher who is in good health Send an email to the parents saying, I would come to school and I'd be willing to take a bullet for your kids at school, but I'm not willing to die by getting COVID from your kids.

00:32:34.000 She's 28 and in good health. 0.97

00:32:35.000 That's very silly.

00:32:36.000 So there's one group of people who are taking this so seriously that they've actually moved beyond the data point. 0.83

00:32:41.000 Then there are a group of people who are taking it so not seriously, they've actually moved beyond the data points.

00:32:45.000 These are people who are like 70 years old, going to rallies and close contact with other people.

00:32:49.000 They have comorbidities.

00:32:50.000 Like, that's also not particularly smart.

00:32:52.000 And then there are a bunch of people, I think, who are in the middle, who are just kind of cautious about this, and who don't particularly love the masking.

00:32:59.000 They don't hate the masking.

00:33:00.000 They just are like, okay, what do I need to do to get back to my regular life?

00:33:03.000 Like, I take it about as seriously as I need to take it.

00:33:06.000 And they kind of waver, day to day, on how serious this thing is, because people do emotionally tend to waver.

00:33:11.000 When you see Tom Hanks has it and then you recover, you're like, okay, maybe it's not that bad.

00:33:14.000 And then when you see Herman Cain had it and he died, you're like, okay, this is really, really bad, right?

00:33:17.000 It could kill a lot of people. 0.99

00:33:19.000 What happens to Trump personally is now fully tied up with where we go as a country on COVID, which is kind of stupid, but that's how the human brain works, unfortunately. 1.00

00:33:29.000 The reason I say it's stupid is because public policy should not be attached to anecdotal evidence. 0.98

00:33:34.000 Public policy should be attached to the best available data. 0.98

00:33:37.000 Public policy should be about how you make the best policy for the greatest number of people.

00:33:42.000 It should not be about your attitude about Trump or Trump's attitude about masks or what you take from Trump's attitude about masks.

00:33:47.000 You're supposed to be an independent human being who's able to make their own analysis of the issues and of the data.

00:33:53.000 That doesn't excuse people when they take things too lightly or when they take things way too seriously.

00:34:00.000 It does mean that you as an individual, responsible human being, you ought to be looking at the data.

00:34:04.000 And when we make public policy, we shouldn't be basing it on like, well, did Trump had a super serious case or not super serious case? 1.00

00:34:09.000 But unfortunately, people are Very frequently dumb animals. 1.00

00:34:13.000 We are all dumb animals. 1.00

00:34:14.000 And we have amygdalas. 1.00

00:34:15.000 We have fear centers.

00:34:16.000 And so if Trump gets this thing very seriously, then the chances of future lockdowns are gonna be much greater.

00:34:22.000 People are going to skew toward the side that I think takes it so seriously they shut down economies again.

00:34:26.000 And if Trump has a very mild case, he's gonna be able to come out and he's gonna say, listen, the vast majority of people who get this are gonna live.

00:34:32.000 The vast majority of people who get this are fine.

00:34:34.000 The vast majority of people who get this are not going to die.

00:34:37.000 I didn't die and I'm 74 and I'm okay.

00:34:40.000 And maybe people will be like, oh, okay, well, you know, that's true.

00:34:45.000 People tend to respond to anecdotal evidence in a way they do not to data.

00:34:48.000 And that is just a flaw in the human brain.

00:34:50.000 It also happens to be true that when we discuss public policy on this stuff, it is extremely political.

00:34:56.000 So one of the tweets that was getting, one of the clips that was getting tweeted out a lot after it came out that Trump has COVID was this clip from earlier in the day where Trump said that the end of the pandemic is in sight.

00:35:05.000 Here's what Trump had to say.

00:35:08.000 We have reduced the fatality rate by 85% since just April.

00:35:13.000 We're on track to develop and distribute a vaccine before the end of the year, and maybe substantially before.

00:35:20.000 And I just want to say that the end of the pandemic is in sight, and next year will be one of the greatest years in the history of our country.

00:35:30.000 Okay, so he said that, right?

00:35:32.000 He said that the end of the pandemic is in sight, we have vaccine development, we're doing all sorts of therapeutics.

00:35:37.000 He's not wrong about that.

00:35:39.000 He is not wrong. 0.53

00:35:39.000 I think the end of the pandemic is in sight. 0.53

00:35:41.000 I think most scientists would say the end of the pandemic is in sight.

00:35:44.000 Now, that timeline may be, like, first quarter of 2021, or maybe end of the year.

00:35:50.000 But to pretend that we are closer to the beginning than we are to the end, I think, at this point, is probably You know, anti-evidence.

00:35:57.000 People are taking that as evidence Trump isn't taking it seriously.

00:35:59.000 That's not right.

00:36:00.000 Again, public policy is not about whether Trump personally gets COVID.

00:36:04.000 Just like the death rate on COVID has nothing to do with what personally happens to me.

00:36:10.000 People's unbelievable misunderstanding of the data is really a problem.

00:36:14.000 If I were to get COVID and God forbid I were to die, people would immediately go, well, it must be very, very dangerous for people my age.

00:36:19.000 It is not very dangerous for people my age.

00:36:21.000 I just happened to be the unlucky dude who drew the black marble out of the bag of 1,001 marbles, 1,000 of which were white.

00:36:27.000 That does not mean that it's super dangerous for everybody else in my age cohort.

00:36:32.000 But unfortunately, people tend to jump to that.

00:36:33.000 So people ignore the public policy in favor of the personal.

00:36:38.000 It also happens to be true that many Democrats do not take the masking particularly seriously.

00:36:42.000 Yesterday, the Democratic Pennsylvania governor and a state rep were caught on a hot mic joking about masks being political theater, which is always a good look.

00:36:51.000 By the way, it is true that when Trump has criticized some forms of mask wearing, I don't know about you.

00:36:57.000 Everybody's now wearing masks.

00:36:59.000 I live in L.A., at least for the moment, and everybody in L.A.

00:37:01.000 is wearing masks.

00:37:02.000 Many of them are wearing masks improperly.

00:37:04.000 Like, you actually have to have a class in PPE when you are a doctor.

00:37:07.000 My wife took one.

00:37:08.000 You actually have to be told how to don PPE properly.

00:37:11.000 If you take a mask, a cloth mask, and you futz around with your hands with it, and then you put it in your pocket, and then when you're drinking or eating, and then you put it back on your face, and you've been eating with your hands, right?

00:37:24.000 Is the mask still clean?

00:37:24.000 No, right?

00:37:26.000 Have you actually done anything to prevent the spread of the disease?

00:37:30.000 You may have actually increased the chance that you gave yourself the disease by putting your hands directly on the mask and then breathing it in, right?

00:37:34.000 Like, there are serious problems with that.

00:37:36.000 That does not mean that you shouldn't wear a mask.

00:37:37.000 It means you should be careful in how you treat the mask.

00:37:39.000 But people are conflating the ideal with the reality, and that isn't particularly true.

00:37:44.000 And here's the thing, a lot of Democrats even know this, right?

00:37:46.000 Here's the Pennsylvania Democratic governor joking about mask theater.

00:37:51.000 So Wendy, I'm going to take my mask off when I speak.

00:37:54.000 I will as well.

00:37:56.000 I'm waiting so that we can do a little political theater.

00:38:01.000 Okay.

00:38:02.000 So that it's on camera.

00:38:05.000 Okay, so there they are joking about, you know, I'm going to take the mask off as soon as I'm off camera, but when I'm on camera, I'm going to put the mask back on.

00:38:12.000 So much of the, so people on the left will say, okay, yeah, but the virtue signaling is good because you're signaling to people that they should wear the mask. 0.60

00:38:18.000 It's also possible that the virtue signaling is overwrought because it's now suggesting that people should wear masks in some of the dumbest possible ways. 0.52

00:38:24.000 Speaking of virtue signaling in the dumbest possible ways, the Chicago mayor, Lori Lightfoot, she actually went to a press conference dressed as what she called the Rona Fighter. 1.00

00:38:34.000 Like, for Halloween or something. 0.93

00:38:36.000 This is the mayor of Chicago dressed as Rona Fighter.

00:38:41.000 My God.

00:38:42.000 This is our politics.

00:38:43.000 Good times.

00:38:48.000 It says Rona Destroyer on her cape.

00:38:54.000 Okay, can I just point out that Chicago has had a pretty serious bout of coronavirus.

00:38:59.000 The Chicago COVID numbers are not particularly good.

00:39:02.000 Okay, and they've been kind of steady right now, but they are slowly increasing.

00:39:06.000 And there she is posing with a Clorox poster around her neck. 1.00

00:39:12.000 I'm sorry, everything is stupid. 1.00

00:39:14.000 Everything is incredibly stupid. 0.99

00:39:16.000 It just is. 1.00

00:39:17.000 Speaking of people following the science on the left, in a second, we're gonna get to California, which has decided on standards for reopening.

00:39:25.000 And the standards on reopening, shall we say, are mildly anti-scientific.

00:39:28.000 When I say mildly anti-scientific, I mean wildly anti-scientific.

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00:40:54.000 Okay, in just a second, we'll get to more science of the left.

00:40:57.000 Again, whenever somebody on the right gets this thing, it's like, oh, it's a reflection of the right's anti-scientific viewpoints.

00:41:03.000 If somebody on the left gets it, it's like, well, we did the best we could, and then we got it.

00:41:06.000 It's because we love science that we got it.

00:41:08.000 Or because we love racial justice that we got it.

00:41:11.000 The gap is pretty stark.

00:41:12.000 We'll get to that in just one moment.

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00:43:26.000 Now again, the differential media narrative here is that if somebody on the left gets it, it's despite all of their best efforts.

00:43:36.000 If somebody on the right gets it, it's because they are uniquely morally deserving of getting it.

00:43:41.000 So when the governor of Virginia, Ralph Northam, got it, and he is one of the virtue signaling maskers, right?

00:43:45.000 I mean, he's somebody who masks up, like, all the time.

00:43:47.000 Then it was like, well, he did the best he could, and COVID just got him anyway, right?

00:43:51.000 He just got it. 0.95

00:43:51.000 When Trump does it, it's like, well, you know, it's because Trump's evil. 0.95

00:43:54.000 It's because Trump's evil. 0.98

00:43:56.000 And it's because he doesn't follow science. 0.97

00:43:58.000 Here's the problem.

00:43:59.000 So much of what we are talking about is not science.

00:44:01.000 Nobody's talking about science when they talk about the anecdotal situation in which people get this thing.

00:44:06.000 How do we know that this isn't science?

00:44:08.000 Let's talk about public policy for a second.

00:44:10.000 Because we talk politics.

00:44:12.000 I'm far less interested in the individuals who get COVID on a public policy level than the public policies we enact.

00:44:17.000 Here's what California is doing on public policy. 1.00

00:44:19.000 You ready for this stupidity? 1.00

00:44:20.000 So, according to the Los Angeles Times, California's larger counties will not be permitted to reopen their economies further unless they reduce coronavirus infections in the hardest-hit places where the poor, black people, Latinos, and Pacific Islanders live. 0.99

00:44:34.000 Under a new state requirement for reopening during the pandemic, counties with more than 106,000 residents must bring infections down in these places and invest heavily there in testing, contact tracing, outreach, and providing means for infected people to isolate.

00:44:46.000 LA is one county sure to be affected along with others in Southern California.

00:44:51.000 The measure is designed to ensure that test positivity rates in the most disadvantaged neighborhoods do not significantly exceed a county's overall rate, a disparity that has been widespread during the pandemic.

00:44:59.000 So in other words, if there is one section of the city where nobody has it, and there's a section of the city where a lot of people have it for a variety of reasons, including that poverty tends to be a sort of comorbidity with this thing.

00:45:09.000 People are living in closer quarters.

00:45:10.000 People are not masking as much.

00:45:12.000 There's also significant comorbidity, racial comorbidities.

00:45:17.000 And this exists, by the way, not just in the United States, it exists in Europe as well.

00:45:20.000 People of color have been dying at a higher rate of this thing in Europe than they have white people in Europe.

00:45:25.000 And we're still trying to discover the reasons why.

00:45:27.000 Some of those reasons may include other comorbidities that are not evenly spread across the races.

00:45:31.000 Like, for example, diabetes or obesity.

00:45:34.000 There have been some possibilities that link this to, for example, genetic predisposition to sickle cell anemia.

00:45:40.000 What this does suggest is that now they're going to take the section of the city that has no cases, and they're going to shut it down out of a misguided sense of equity, right?

00:45:52.000 That now, if you have a section of the city, you have Beverly Hills, right?

00:45:54.000 And Beverly Hills has no cases.

00:45:56.000 And then you have South Central Los Angeles, and it has many cases.

00:45:59.000 You're gonna shut down both of them because it is unfair that Beverly Hills doesn't have enough cases, while South Central has too many cases.

00:46:06.000 Is that science in any way?

00:46:08.000 You're going to shut down the entire economy and deprive people of their livelihoods and their jobs?

00:46:11.000 And by the way, the ability for people in South Central to work, because many of those people work for companies that are owned by people who live in Beverly Hills.

00:46:19.000 You're going to shut down the entire system because of racial inequalities?

00:46:23.000 Seriously, like the entire system you're going to shut down?

00:46:26.000 Makes perfect sense.

00:46:27.000 Makes perfect sense.

00:46:30.000 According to the state's acting public health officer, Dr. Erica Pan, our entire state has come together to redouble our efforts to reduce the devastating toll COVID-19 has had on our Latino, Black, and Pacific Islander communities.

00:46:40.000 Look, we should be expending resources wherever there is a problem, regardless of race and regardless of income level.

00:46:45.000 We should be trying to bring down the positivity rates everywhere.

00:46:45.000 No question.

00:46:48.000 But you're suggesting we now lock down perfectly healthy areas because there are other areas that are perfectly unhealthy and the healthy areas tend to be whiter and the unhealthy areas tend to be more minority.

00:46:56.000 So we're going to punish the white people for not having enough COVID is basically the idea here, which is totally crazy. 0.88

00:47:02.000 That's totally crazy. 1.00

00:47:03.000 And if it were the reverse, I would be similarly offended because this is stupid. 1.00

00:47:08.000 It's the exact same thing as saying that everybody who's 20 has to stay home because a bunch of people who are 80 might die from this thing. 0.99

00:47:13.000 Okay, how about this?

00:47:14.000 How about we just don't have people who are 20 in contact with people who are 80 for a little while?

00:47:17.000 How about that?

00:47:18.000 Like, there are plenty of ways that you have to look at how this disease pl- like, does this have any- is this following the science?

00:47:25.000 We hear science, science, science, and then nobody actually wants to follow the science.

00:47:30.000 One of the reasons this thing has become such a mess is because nobody actually cares about the science.

00:47:34.000 You'll have Democrats joking about masking as political theater, totally fine because they're good hearted.

00:47:39.000 You'll have states that are locking down when they have essentially zero deaths.

00:47:43.000 And the way the media report this stuff is completely irresponsible.

00:47:45.000 Earlier this week, NBC News was talking about Manhattan.

00:47:49.000 And they said, well, you know, all of New York State had 11 deaths yesterday.

00:47:53.000 And sure, that's way down from the 800 deaths that they were experiencing on a daily basis back in March and April.

00:47:59.000 But it is higher than the six that they were experiencing just a couple of weeks ago.

00:48:02.000 It's like, what?

00:48:05.000 Those are not equivalent statements.

00:48:07.000 The difference between 11 and 800 is not the difference between six and 11.

00:48:11.000 It's just the lack of willingness to discuss the science is one of the indicators here of how political this is.

00:48:19.000 That doesn't mean that Trump can't have done better or shouldn't have done better.

00:48:23.000 His messaging on COVID has been one of the serious shortcomings of his presidency and has come back to bite him in very severe ways.

00:48:29.000 So what should Trump do from here?

00:48:30.000 This is really one of the questions.

00:48:32.000 What should Trump do from here on in?

00:48:34.000 So, here's my suggestion.

00:48:36.000 On a political level, the president's only hope at re-election at this point, and put aside the health level, right?

00:48:41.000 We're all praying for the health of the president and his wife.

00:48:44.000 If something goes wrong, it's obviously a far bigger worry than the politics of this.

00:48:48.000 But we do have a presidential election coming up in a month.

00:48:50.000 So, if you are President Trump, what do you do?

00:48:52.000 The answer is you put a camera on you and you keep it on you basically full-time.

00:48:56.000 If you are the president of the United States at this point, you should welcome the American public into the experience of COVID because people are taking it as a litmus test for how seriously we should do lockdowns.

00:49:05.000 Again, people are not looking at the data.

00:49:06.000 People are not looking at the science.

00:49:07.000 People are just following their guts on this sort of stuff.

00:49:10.000 What Trump should do is he should welcome the cameras in.

00:49:13.000 He should say, here I am at my desk upstairs quarantining.

00:49:17.000 There's my camera guy.

00:49:18.000 He's got the mask on.

00:49:20.000 And he is taking a photograph of me, and as you can see, I am not dead, nor am I dying.

00:49:24.000 And he should do this basically every hour on the hour until he is cleared of COVID.

00:49:29.000 Because otherwise, what's gonna happen is we're gonna get the ramped-up media speculation.

00:49:32.000 Today, we had ramped-up media speculation that Nancy Pelosi may end up President of the United States. 0.97

00:49:37.000 Mike Pence and his wife are negative.

00:49:38.000 He's the sitting Vice President of the United States.

00:49:41.000 Like, what are you guys even talking about?

00:49:43.000 People were saying, what if we have to invoke the 25th Amendment?

00:49:45.000 We're not there yet, guys.

00:49:47.000 Again, the president has not been incapacitated.

00:49:49.000 At this point, apparently, he has a mild cold.

00:49:51.000 We'll see where it goes.

00:49:53.000 If the president emerges from this thing in five, six, four days, and he says, listen, guys, you know, the symptoms are gone.

00:49:59.000 I feel fine.

00:50:00.000 This is the vast majority of cases.

00:50:02.000 It might be an actually good reminder to the American public, again, that statistically speaking, the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people do not die of this thing.

00:50:12.000 I keep repeating the stats because I think the stats are way more important than any anecdotal evidence you bring.

00:50:17.000 Anecdotal evidence is just anecdotal evidence.

00:50:18.000 Unfortunately, again, people tend to follow anecdotal evidence where they do not follow the actual evidence.

00:50:24.000 Which is...

00:50:26.000 I mean, too bad for sure.

00:50:26.000 Too bad.

00:50:28.000 Meanwhile, Joe Biden, I mean, this campaign has fallen out exactly as you would want to for Joe Biden.

00:50:34.000 Put aside the COVID stuff, right?

00:50:35.000 I'm not suggesting that Biden is wishing COVID on Trump or anything like that.

00:50:38.000 He already issued what I said earlier in the program.

00:50:40.000 It was a very nice statement about President Trump and the First Lady.

00:50:42.000 But if you are Joe Biden, imagine that you're 78 years old, that COVID is out there, you don't want to be out in public, and you literally just get to sit in the basement and everybody leaves you alone.

00:50:51.000 And that's your campaign.

00:50:52.000 Your campaign is literally just sit around watching old episodes of Matlock.

00:50:56.000 That's exactly what Joe Biden is doing these days.

00:50:58.000 And he's able to get away with it.

00:51:00.000 Joe Biden yesterday was finally pressed in an interview on court packing.

00:51:04.000 He avoided the question three separate times.

00:51:06.000 Of course not.

00:51:06.000 Will there be any blowback?

00:51:09.000 You dodged Chris Wallace's question on that last night about packing the court.

00:51:13.000 So let me ask you, do you support the idea of packing the court?

00:51:18.000 I'm not dodging the question.

00:51:19.000 What I'm doing is staying focused.

00:51:21.000 Do you continue to support leaving the court at nine justices?

00:51:25.000 What I'm not going to do is play Trump's game.

00:51:29.000 If you're president, would you seek to increase the number of U.S.

00:51:32.000 Supreme Court nominees?

00:51:34.000 You know, that's exactly what they want me to talk about, so we don't talk about how they're violating the Constitution now.

00:51:44.000 Absolutely not.

00:51:45.000 Absolutely not.

00:51:46.000 He's been able to get away with suggesting that he doesn't have to answer a question about whether he means to completely destroy a brand new government.

00:51:52.000 He's been able to get away with that because all the focus is on Trump.

00:51:55.000 You know, maybe for the Trump campaign, this is a bit of a blessing in disguise.

00:51:58.000 Maybe because he's relegated to, you know, not being on the campaign trail and not doing things.

00:52:03.000 Take away his Twitter and he'll spend the next 10 days, you know, getting healthy.

00:52:07.000 And everybody can actually focus in on the fact that we have another candidate for president of the United States who refuses to denounce Antifa.

00:52:13.000 And who has spent the last several weeks dodging questions as to whether he plans to pack the Supreme Court.

00:52:17.000 Okay, meanwhile, the media continue their mission to apparently be as crappy at their jobs as humanly possible.

00:52:24.000 Remember that one time when the New York Times op-ed editor was fired for the great sin of printing an op-ed by Tom Cotton, the senator from Arkansas, suggesting that we might want to use military force to quell insurrectionists inside major cities?

00:52:35.000 Remember that a bunch of woke staffers of the New York Times said, this is a threat to me.

00:52:39.000 It's a threat to me as a person of color that we would print this op-ed.

00:52:42.000 And so they fired the op-ed editor.

00:52:44.000 Remember this?

00:52:45.000 Well, on Thursday, the New York Times published an op-ed authored by Regina Ip, a Hong Kong official the paper once described as Beijing's enforcer, calling for Hong Kong to accept its relation with China as destiny.

00:52:58.000 Ip writes in the pages of the New York Times, no amount of outcry, condemnation, or sanctions over the Chinese government's purported encroachment in Hong Kong's affairs will alter the fact that Hong Kong was part of China and that its destiny is intertwined with the mainland.

00:53:10.000 She said the West tends to glorify people as defenders of Hong Kong's freedoms, but they've done great harm to the city by going against its constitutional order and stirring up chaos and disaffection toward our motherland.

00:53:20.000 She is a longtime proponent, of course, of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:53:23.000 Hip resigned in 2003 as Hong Kong's Secretary of Security because she was, quote, widely seen as Beijing's enforcer, sending police and immigration officers to perform sometimes politically controversial raids.

00:53:34.000 So the New York Times just ran straight Chinese propaganda.

00:53:38.000 I'm waiting for the woke staffers to really get on top of this.

00:53:41.000 I need to hear from the woke staffers.

00:53:43.000 Are they upset about the violation of the rights of Hong Kong citizens?

00:53:47.000 Oh no, they have nothing to say about that?

00:53:48.000 There's a giant shock.

00:53:49.000 I just can't believe it.

00:53:50.000 Meanwhile, however, they are definitely on top of the main narrative they want to push. 0.97

00:53:55.000 So the narrative that they will not let go of is that Trump is a vicious racist. 0.80

00:53:58.000 This cropped up again during the debate, when of course there was this exchange with Chris Wallace in which Chris Wallace asked him to to condemn white supremacy and right wing militias. 0.93

00:54:07.000 And he said, sure.

00:54:09.000 And then Chris Wallace said again, are you willing to do that?

00:54:10.000 And he said, sure.

00:54:11.000 And then Biden was like, do it.

00:54:12.000 And Chris Wallace was like, do it.

00:54:13.000 And he said, what do you want me to condemn?

00:54:14.000 I feel like I just condemned that.

00:54:16.000 And then Biden was like, the Proud Boys, who by the way, are not a white supremacist group.

00:54:20.000 And then, according to CNN.

00:54:22.000 And then Trump says, stand back and stand by.

00:54:26.000 And people took that to mean that he was somehow encouraging the Proud Boys.

00:54:29.000 My favorite thing about this is the media taking the Proud Boys so seriously, that the Proud Boys, who are a troll group, okay? 0.97

00:54:34.000 They are a group of trolls.

00:54:36.000 If you are not familiar with the Proud Boys, half of their media is just trolling, right?

00:54:40.000 They're members of the sort of alt-right and they're sort of on the borderline between the two.

00:54:46.000 And what they do online is troll.

00:54:48.000 So they took that stand back and stand by slogan and they put it on shirts.

00:54:50.000 And then the media were like, If Trump had really discouraged them, would they be putting it on shirts?

00:54:56.000 Sure, they'll put anything on shirts as a prank.

00:54:58.000 I'm also bemused by the media's new standard, which is that if someone expresses support for a politician, the politician is now responsible for that support.

00:55:05.000 So I hope that next we get to reanalyze the congressional baseball shooting in which a Bernie Sanders supporter literally attempted to assassinate Republican members of Congress over health care.

00:55:14.000 Okay, but in any case, the narrative was that Trump has not condemned white supremacy, as I've been saying over and over for days now.

00:55:20.000 That's not true.

00:55:21.000 Even in 2017, when I thought that he was being deliberately vague about the alt-right, when I criticized him very heavily for, in his original statement, saying that there were bad people on many sides on many sides without any explicit reference to white supremacy, He corrected that the next day, and he explicitly said that the good people did not include neo-Nazis and white supremacists, who I condemn totally.

00:55:41.000 That is a direct quote from Donald Trump circa 2017.

00:55:43.000 Okay, so, since then, he's made multiple statements condemning white supremacy, like a lot of them, and the media refused to accept the answer.

00:55:50.000 They refuse it.

00:55:52.000 They are so committed to the narrative that Trump is a racist that they literally... We're now playing Kathy Newman with Jordan Peterson.

00:55:57.000 If you've never seen this exchange, Kathy Newman is a supposed reporter for the BBC, and she's interviewing Jordan Peterson. 0.71

00:56:03.000 And she says to Jordan Peterson, so basically, you're a sexist.

00:56:06.000 And Jordan's like, no. 0.90

00:56:07.000 He says, so what you really mean to say is you're a sexist.

00:56:09.000 And Jordan's like, no. 0.89

00:56:11.000 And she means, and she says, well, by no, I think what you really mean is yes.

00:56:14.000 And Jordan's like, no. 0.89

00:56:17.000 Okay, well, that is the entire media declaring Trump a racist.

00:56:20.000 Trump will be like, I condemn white supremacy.

00:56:22.000 I condemn it totally.

00:56:22.000 Like, why won't you condemn white supremacy?

00:56:24.000 And he'll be like, well, no, but I literally just did that one second ago.

00:56:27.000 Like, no, you didn't.

00:56:29.000 We don't believe you.

00:56:30.000 That was one second ago.

00:56:30.000 I don't hear you doing it right now, do I?

00:56:32.000 That was at least one second ago.

00:56:33.000 One second ago was in the past.

00:56:34.000 We are now in the present.

00:56:36.000 Will you condemn it right now?

00:56:37.000 And he'll say, sure.

00:56:37.000 He'll say, that's not a condemnation.

00:56:39.000 That happened one second ago.

00:56:40.000 I want to hear you do it right now.

00:56:43.000 Okay, perfect example of this.

00:56:44.000 John Roberts of Fox yesterday, he's in the press room with Kayleigh McEnany.

00:56:49.000 And he asks her about Trump condemning white supremacy.

00:56:53.000 And here's Kayleigh McEnany's response.

00:56:55.000 And then, I mean, this is an insane exchange.

00:56:56.000 It's just, it's crazy.

00:56:57.000 It's just crazy towns.

00:57:00.000 As the person who speaks for the president, does the president denounce white supremacism and groups that espouse it in all their forms?

00:57:09.000 This has been answered yesterday by the president himself, the day before by the president himself.

00:57:14.000 On the debate stage, the president was asked this.

00:57:16.000 He said, sure, three times.

00:57:18.000 Yesterday, he was point blank asked, do you denounce white supremacy?

00:57:23.000 And he said, I've always denounced any form of that.

00:57:26.000 I can go back.

00:57:27.000 I can read for you, in August 2019, in one voice, our nation must condemn racism, bigotry and white supremacy. 0.98

00:57:34.000 In August of 2017, racism is evil and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups.

00:57:43.000 I have an entire list of these quotes that I can go through with you. 0.87

00:57:46.000 He has condemned white supremacy more than any president in modern history.

00:57:50.000 Just to clear it up this morning, can you, naming it, make a declarative statement that you did not that the president denounces. I just did.

00:57:59.000 I mean, it's unbelievable.

00:58:01.000 She literally reads him a statement with a bunch of statements with Trump condemning white supremacy.

00:58:05.000 He's like, yeah, but will you do it right now?

00:58:07.000 And she's like, like, I literally just did that.

00:58:09.000 Because what he wants her to do, of course, is he wants her to say the president unequivocally condemns white supremacy.

00:58:13.000 And then he'll say, well, why doesn't he just say so?

00:58:16.000 And she'll be like, well, here's a list of quotes.

00:58:18.000 But why isn't he doing it right now?

00:58:19.000 Now's in the present, guys.

00:58:21.000 OK, then Roberts goes on national TV and then he gets visibly angry at Trump not condemning white supremacy, even though Trump literally condemned it during the debate, condemned it the day after and has condemned it at this point, I believe, about 100 times since Charlottesville.

00:58:33.000 Here is John Roberts getting visibly angry again on TV to the delight of the folks over at CNN.

00:58:39.000 For all of you on Twitter who were hammering me for asking that question, I don't care!

00:58:44.000 Because it's a question that needs to be asked, and clearly, the President's Republican colleagues, a mile away from here, are looking for an answer for it too.

00:58:53.000 So stop deflecting, stop blaming the media.

00:58:58.000 I'm tired of it.

00:58:59.000 I'm so tired of it.

00:59:05.000 Nobody was deflecting.

00:59:06.000 That's not a deflection.

00:59:08.000 Crappy reporter from Vox, Erin Ruppar, said she's dancing around the question.

00:59:12.000 There's no dancing around the question.

00:59:14.000 They're so interested in ignoring what Biden is doing that they are willing to just create this narrative out of a whole cloth.

00:59:20.000 And by the way, let's not pretend that this isn't a little bit pre-planned, this entire narrative.

00:59:25.000 Dean Beckett, the executive editor of the New York Times, said in the aftermath of Russiagate that he was deliberately taking staff and staffing them up on the racism angle.

00:59:33.000 This is in 2019.

00:59:35.000 And in shock of shocks, right before the election, we were going to get six months of racism discussion.

00:59:39.000 Who could have predicted such a thing?

00:59:41.000 Kayleigh McEnany yesterday rightly pointed out, you know, you guys have been paying an awful lot of attention to Trump supposedly not condemning white supremacists, which he has done, or militia groups, which Trump again did yesterday.

00:59:51.000 I noticed that what you're not paying any attention to is Joe Biden legitimately and clearly refusing to condemn Antifa in any way while Antifa has conducted acts of violence in major American cities across the country for months on end.

01:00:03.000 She's, of course, totally right about this.

01:00:04.000 Here is Kayleigh McEnany. 0.63

01:00:07.000 Something else lost upon the media is the absolute turning of a blind eye to Antifa.

01:00:12.000 Carrying the water for Democrats, the media apparently agrees with Jerry Nadler that Antifa violence is a myth.

01:00:18.000 In August Senate hearings, Democrats refused to condemn Antifa.

01:00:22.000 Again, no journalistic curiosity here.

01:00:24.000 Ideas do not target police officers.

01:00:26.000 Ideas do not burn down buildings.

01:00:28.000 Ideas do not kill innocent Americans.

01:00:31.000 Organizations do.

01:00:32.000 And Democrats should condemn the shameful group in the same manner President Trump continues to condemn.

01:00:37.000 I mean, she, of course, is completely, completely right about this.

01:00:39.000 She's completely right about this.

01:00:41.000 OK, but that is not going to change the media's math here.

01:00:45.000 It just isn't.

01:00:46.000 So Joe Biden, of course, went on this rant yesterday about this.

01:00:49.000 Joe Biden showed off the Proud Boys logo.

01:00:51.000 By the way, it was Joe Biden who brought up the Proud Boys in the first place.

01:00:54.000 Well, the Proud Boys didn't think that.

01:00:55.000 the Proud Boys exactly what they want, which is insane levels of publicity that they never would have gotten without Joe Biden bringing them up.

01:01:01.000 Because again, the left's whole tactic here when it comes to the riots in America's major cities is to somehow swivel this. So it's the fault of the white supremacists and the right wing and all, despite the fact that it's been riots in major American cities driven predominantly by the left. So here is Joe Biden touting Proud Boys merch yesterday. This is good stuff. Well, the Proud Boys didn't think that. Go online.

01:01:24.000 This is the says the proud boys.

01:01:26.000 That's their symbol, right?

01:01:28.000 It says stand back and stand by.

01:01:33.000 Nobody has ever, ever, ever, ever sent that kind of message in American history.

01:01:41.000 Nobody.

01:01:42.000 And it's simply wrong.

01:01:45.000 Okay, by the way, Joe Biden did not call him on it in the debate because Joe Biden did not actually believe that's what Trump was saying.

01:01:51.000 And if we are now going to quote the trolling statements of members of the Proud Boys as though they are serious analysts of politics, then we're going to have to wonder exactly why Richard Spencer declared himself a Joe Biden supporter a little bit earlier this year.

01:02:03.000 Also, I was told, by the way, that Donald Trump does not condemn white supremacists or condemn the Proud Boys.

01:02:06.000 Here he was yesterday condemning the white supremacists and condemning the Proud Boys.

01:02:11.000 I have to say, I've said it many times, and let me be clear again, I condemn the KKK.

01:02:16.000 I condemn all white supremacists.

01:02:18.000 I condemn the Proud Boys.

01:02:20.000 I don't know much about the Proud Boys, almost nothing, but I condemn that.

01:02:24.000 But he should condemn also Antifa.

01:02:28.000 Antifa is a horrible group of people.

01:02:33.000 But apparently he's unwilling to condemn them.

01:02:35.000 This is gonna be the narrative, unless the narrative, of course, is that Trump deserves the COVID that he has gotten today.

01:02:41.000 Meanwhile, how vicious are the media?

01:02:43.000 They're going after Melania Trump, too.

01:02:45.000 I mean, imagine if anybody had leaked audio of Michelle Obama, like private audio of Michelle Obama during the Obama administration.

01:02:50.000 You think the media would have given that at the time, would they?

01:02:52.000 Or would they have said, she's off limits, she's the first lady, she wasn't elected, she has nothing to do with anything. 1.00

01:02:57.000 Doesn't matter.

01:02:58.000 Now they're very excited because an ex-East Wing advisor made audio.

01:03:01.000 I mean, that's true friendship, is an advisor who makes audio recordings of you, as we learned during the Monica Lewinsky days.

01:03:07.000 Here is a member of, at least their shoes, making recordings of purported, you know, politically relevant activity by the President of the United States himself.

01:03:18.000 In this particular case, Melania is the First Lady. 1.00

01:03:20.000 And now we're getting all these leaked recordings of Melania.

01:03:22.000 And they're supposed to make Melania look bad. 1.00

01:03:25.000 The media are miscovering them.

01:03:26.000 They don't actually make Melania look bad.

01:03:27.000 Here's Melania defending the treatment of immigrant children, and this apparently is supposed to be very bad.

01:03:33.000 Here's Melania.

01:03:35.000 All these kids that I met, they are here in the shelters because they were brought by it through coyotes.

01:03:45.000 The people were trafficking, and that's why they put them in jail.

01:03:50.000 And the kids that they go in shelters, and the way they take care of them, They even said, the kids, they say, wow, I will have my own bed, I will sleep on the bed, I will have a cabinet for my clothes.

01:04:03.000 It's so sad to hear it, but they didn't have that in their own country.

01:04:11.000 Okay, so that is apparently her being unsympathetic.

01:04:15.000 I'm confused as to how that's her being unsympathetic.

01:04:17.000 But again, the media are willing to run with any anti-Trump narrative, including anti-Trump narratives that hit Melania for some odd reason.

01:04:23.000 Alrighty, we'll be back here later today with two additional hours of content.

01:04:27.000 Otherwise, we'll see you here on Monday for all of the latest updates.

01:04:29.000 Again, have everybody who has COVID-19 in your thoughts and prayers this weekend.

01:04:35.000 It was hard to imagine this news cycle could have gotten any crazier, but God apparently decided to dump out all the crazy in 2020, which means I would hope that 2021 might be slightly calmer, since maybe he's exhausted the supply.

01:04:45.000 If not, well, I don't know what to tell you.

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The Ben Shapiro Show - October 02, 2020

Trump Has Covid | Ep. 1107

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