The Ben Shapiro Show - October 12, 2026


Yes, Execute Terrorists on Camera. Here’s Why.

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00:00:00.000 There's big controversy over the fact that the U.S. is now planning to live stream an Army firing squad executing the Fort Hood shooter.
00:00:06.000 According to Reuters, the U.S. will live stream the Army's upcoming firing squad execution of a gunman who killed 13 people at the Fort Hood military base in 2009.
00:00:14.000 In what would be an unprecedented broadcast of a U.S. execution, Nidal Hassan, former Army psychiatrist, is set to become the first person to be executed by firing squad by the U.S. military since 1945.
00:00:25.000 He will be executed at the same sprawling Texas base where he opened fire with a laser-sided handgun in a medical facility.
00:00:31.000 That shooting came weeks before he was scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan, and he was left paralyzed and confined to a wheelchair from being shot by police during his arrest.
00:00:40.000 So, a few things to separate out.
00:00:42.000 A few things to separate out.
00:00:44.000 First, does he deserve it?
00:00:47.000 The answer there is clearly yes. 1.00
00:00:48.000 He deserves the death penalty. 0.99
00:00:49.000 Yes, yes, and more, yes. 0.98
00:00:52.000 Is it a humiliation of him to have his execution publicly broadcast?
00:00:55.000 Yes, and he also deserves it.
00:00:56.000 Now, that brings us to a third question, which is, as we'll get into a moment, whether the U.S. should televise this sort of thing.
00:01:03.000 But these are separate questions.
00:01:04.000 Does he deserve it?
00:01:05.000 100%.
00:01:07.000 There's not an element that says that he does not deserve this.
00:01:11.000 He was convicted of 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts of attempted premeditated murder.
00:01:15.000 He shot a pregnant woman as she screamed, My baby, my baby.
00:01:20.000 So, yeah, he has all of this coming.
00:01:23.000 He has all of this coming.
00:01:25.000 Now, that raises the question of whether we actually should televise the thing, right?
00:01:29.000 Should it be publicly televised?
00:01:31.000 And again, we should separate off between the death penalty itself and that question and whether it should be televised.
00:01:37.000 So, George Washington's opinion, by the way, was if you are going to do executions, you should actually publicize them. 0.89
00:01:42.000 Quote, I would to God that one of the most atrocious in each state was hung in gibbets up on a gallows five times as high as the one prepared by Haman. 0.84
00:01:49.000 No punishment, in my opinion, is too great for the man who can build his greatness upon the country's ruin. 0.84
00:01:53.000 He's talking about hanging traitors.
00:01:54.000 This is in 1778, George Washington.
00:01:57.000 JD Vance, for his part, says he will not watch the execution.
00:02:02.000 Well, first of all, I've seen these announcements.
00:02:04.000 I don't know that that's actually going to happen.
00:02:05.000 Let's sort of.
00:02:06.000 See what I think it's going to happen in December when he's executed.
00:02:10.000 But what I try to remind people is look, this is a guy who committed, in my view, the worst terrorist attack on American soil outside of 9 11.
00:02:18.000 The people that he was meant to treat, the army soldiers that he was meant to treat for mental illness and other problems, he took them at their most vulnerable and gunned down these people where they live.
00:02:29.000 So, whatever the controversy is about the method of the execution, I hope that people don't forget that this is a guy who brutally murdered a lot of innocent people.
00:02:38.000 Now, that said, I mean, look, if it's ultimately live streamed, I'm not going to be watching it.
00:02:43.000 Okay, so again, there are two questions.
00:02:46.000 One, death penalty, and second, is it worth watching?
00:02:49.000 Or should it be live streamed at all?
00:02:50.000 So, Pope Leo put out a tweet saying that the death penalty is an attack on the dignity of the person.
00:02:55.000 Quote, the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person.
00:03:00.000 The common good can be safeguarded and the requirements of justice can be met without recourse to capital punishment.
00:03:05.000 Effective systems of detention have been developed to protect citizens while at the same time do not completely deprive those who are guilty of the possibility of redemption.
00:03:12.000 No death penalty.
00:03:14.000 So, a couple of things. 0.63
00:03:16.000 The selective outrage from Pope Leo with regard to the American application of the death penalty, I find to be completely in absence when it comes to the mass slaughter of Christians all over Africa and the Middle East by radical Muslims.
00:03:28.000 It's kind of a shocking disparity.
00:03:31.000 Also, just going to point out that historically speaking, the church was quite comfortable with the death penalty.
00:03:37.000 Augustine wrote Great and holy men punished some sins with death because the living were struck with a salutary fear.
00:03:44.000 And because it was not death itself that would injure those who were being punished with death, but sin, which might be increased if they continued to live.
00:03:50.000 St. Thomas Aquinas, every part is directed to the whole, as the imperfect to the perfect, wherefore every part is naturally for the sake of the whole.
00:03:57.000 For this reason, we see that if the health of the whole body demands the excision of some member, through its being decayed or infectious to the other members, it is both praiseworthy and advantageous to have it cut away.
00:04:07.000 If a man be dangerous and infectious to the community on account of some sin, it is praiseworthy and advantageous that he be killed in order to safeguard the common good, since a little leaven corrupteth the whole lump.
00:04:18.000 John Paul II, in 1997, adopted A part of the catechism which permitted capital punishment under strict conditions, quote, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
00:04:29.000 And then in 2018, Pope Francis went further and he changed the catechism to say, quote, the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person and then committed the church toward worldwide abolition of the New Testament.
00:04:43.000 Okay, so again, hard disagree.
00:04:46.000 There are certain people who deserve not to live. 1.00
00:04:49.000 If you shoot a pregnant woman screaming, My baby, my baby, you should die. 0.99
00:04:55.000 The Bible, like the Old Testament, very, very clear on this, going all the way back to the beginning of the book of Genesis. 1.00
00:05:01.000 If man shed blood, by man shall his blood be shed.
00:05:04.000 That's, again, black letter biblical law.
00:05:07.000 So, we're talking about in the religious context, there's that.
00:05:09.000 But put that aside, there are basically two purposes for the death penalty.
00:05:13.000 One is because the entire goal of government is to remove from private hands vengeance.
00:05:18.000 That is one of the original goals of government.
00:05:21.000 If you go to places that are anarchic, what you see is if a member of one tribe kills a member of another tribe, The member of the second tribe will go and kill someone, anyone from a member of the first tribe.
00:05:30.000 And that's how you end up with tribal warfare in large measure.
00:05:34.000 And so the idea of a state that presided in impartial fashion over criminal law was a way of preventing tribal warfare.
00:05:43.000 And what you see is in places where the law does not govern, actually gang warfare continues to thrive.
00:05:47.000 This is true in the South side of Chicago, the same way that it's true in tribal Africa or tribal Middle Eastern countries.
00:05:53.000 That's just a reality. 0.88
00:05:54.000 So that is one purpose of the death penalty, is when you give the power to the government.
00:05:58.000 To actually adjudicate the law and then enforce the law that comes along with certain crimes that require death.
00:06:03.000 Okay.
00:06:04.000 Second, there's the question of deterrence.
00:06:06.000 And this is where you get into the public broadcast of this sort of stuff.
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00:07:12.000 So the question is whether this thing should be publicly broadcast.
00:07:15.000 Here is my view I am not against the public broadcast of death penalty application.
00:07:22.000 I am in favor of doing it significantly more often.
00:07:25.000 Here is the reason.
00:07:26.000 If you're using this as a deterrent, the fact that we have done this live broadcast.
00:07:30.000 Of an execution once in literally my entire lifetime suggests it is not an effective deterrent.
00:07:35.000 You're not going to deter terrorists by showing a firing squad for a terrorist.
00:07:39.000 Now, you might deter terrorists by showing firing squads for lots of terrorists.
00:07:43.000 If you go back far enough in American history or just throughout Western history, what you'll see is that executions publicly were part of the way that law was enforced because the idea was if you violate the law, this could happen to you.
00:07:55.000 But because we have an appellate system that means that Nidal Hassan murdered 13 people back in 2009, and I checked my calendar and it's now 2026, 17 years later, and we have never, so far as I'm aware, had a publicly broadcast execution, I don't think this is going to achieve the deterrent effect.
00:08:11.000 I'm very much in favor of achieving the deterrent effect, by the way.
00:08:13.000 I think if you commit a terrorist act on our soil, We should speed up the criminal justice process.
00:08:17.000 It should not take 17 years to exhaust your appellate process.
00:08:20.000 We should speed all of that up.
00:08:22.000 If you're convicted by a judge and a jury, then we should perform the executions quickly and publicly.
00:08:27.000 And we should do that much more regularly.
00:08:29.000 Don't have a death penalty if you're not going to apply it evenly.
00:08:32.000 Don't have a death penalty if you're never going to apply it.
00:08:34.000 Don't have a death penalty if you're going to take 20 years to apply it.
00:08:37.000 That is not the way this was supposed to work.
00:08:40.000 Okay.
00:08:40.000 However, when Governor Josh Shapiro says this is how they do it in North Korea, not the U.S., well, no.
00:08:45.000 Actually, in North Korea, they give you the death penalty for opposing the government.
00:08:48.000 They don't give you the death penalty for murdering pregnant women.
00:08:53.000 They've decided to live stream.
00:08:58.000 To live stream an execution of another human being.
00:09:04.000 That's how they do it in North Korea, not in the United States.
00:09:08.000 We're better than this.
00:09:09.000 We're a kind people, not a cruel people.
00:09:12.000 But unfortunately, Trump takes us to the lowest common denominator every time.
00:09:18.000 Chaos and Cruelty, how about the corruption that we're seeing from him every day?
00:09:26.000 Okay, now again, trying to suggest the execution of Nidal Hassan is some sort of evil in the American spirit or something, that's nonsense.
00:09:35.000 And again, it does actually reflect a broader unwillingness of Democrats to come face to face with the evils of crime.
00:09:44.000 And I think that you can be in favor of the application of the death penalty, I think you can be against the public execution.
00:09:50.000 I think you can even be against the death penalty in general on principle.
00:09:53.000 I think you're wrong, but I think you can be.
00:09:55.000 But the sort of bizarre sympathy that's being driven by some Democrats for some of the worst people on earth is really quite bad.
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