BLAKE WEBBERKELEY, CA - On this episode of the Charlie & Blake Show, we discuss the recent events at the University of Virginia, including the murder of Rob Reiner and his wife, Michelle Reiner, and the possibility that they may have been killed by their own son, Tyler Robinson. We also discuss the Brown shooting at Brown University, and why we believe Tyler Robinson is the most likely suspect.
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00:02:58.000As soon as you told us to be, I was like, you know, he's pretty right.
00:03:00.000But we've got a lot of news to go over in the meantime.
00:03:03.000And, you know, obviously we had the Bondi Beach terrorism, which was just horrendous.
00:03:09.000We're going to get into that just in a second.
00:03:11.000We had Rob Reiner was apparently stabbed to death along with his wife, Michelle, who it appears that the son Nick, who's had mental problems and drug abuse problems, homelessness problems.
00:03:39.000But there is also reports that she may have been targeted.
00:03:41.000So let's get into all of these stories because we got to go quick here.
00:03:46.000Let's hit Rob Reiner because I think you and I both have some feelings about that.
00:03:51.000Yeah, that broke last night out of nowhere, very horrifying.
00:03:55.000Just, you know, it began with that police were at Reiner's home in the Los Angeles area, and they found two bodies there that matched their ages, and then they were stabbed to death, and it just sort of dribbled out over the course of the evening.
00:04:11.000And it now appears the suspicion is that both Rob and his wife Michelle were stabbed to death by their son, who I believe had a history of some addictions and issues.
00:04:23.000And so I imagine we'll learn more about how exactly that happened.
00:04:35.000And it caused us to look back and we saw things.
00:04:38.000And, I mean, among other things, Rob was on, he went on the air shortly after Charlie was shot and he actually said quite kind things about him.
00:06:19.000And, you know, guys like James Wood, who's a conservative, he came out and he said, you know, that he had worked with Rob and they were able to maintain their friendship, even though they are on diametrically opposed polar opposites of the political spectrum.
00:06:34.000And yeah, I mean, it's just, but here's some of his movies.
00:06:37.000This is Spinal Tap, Stand By Me, Princess Bride, When Harry Met Sally, a few good men.
00:06:46.000And say what you will about his politics, the guy made some absolute classics of American cinema in the 20th century.
00:06:53.000Yeah, and we should acknowledge there's an elephant in the room.
00:06:57.000President Trump, unfortunately, posted on Truth Social this morning.
00:07:02.000He said, a very sad thing happened last night in Hollywood.
00:07:06.000Rob Reiner, a tortured and struggling, but once very talented movie director and comedy star, has passed away together with his wife Michelle, reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive, unyielding, and incurable affliction with a mind-crippling disease known as Trump derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as TDS.
00:07:25.000He was known to have driven people crazy by his raging obsession with President Donald J. Trump.
00:08:33.000That's not a solution to solving problems.
00:08:38.000And I felt like what his wife said at the service at the memorial they had was exactly right.
00:08:46.000And totally, I believe, you know, I'm Jewish, but I believe in the teachings of Jesus and I believe in doing to others and I believe in forgiveness.
00:08:57.000And what she said to me was beautiful and absolutely, you know, she forgave his assassin.
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00:17:43.000All right, without further ado, Gary Milton, owner and lead instructor of Paramount Tactical.
00:17:48.000You can follow him on X, which is how I discovered him.
00:17:50.000He's been doing great work just breaking down all the dynamics of the case.
00:17:54.000I think people's intrigue in the dynamics of the case is reaching an all-time high, actually, because we first saw Tyler Robinson in court last week.
00:18:07.000So, just a little bit on your background so people understand why you know so much about this topic.
00:18:12.000Gary Milton is a former U.S. Army Special Forces Green Beret.
00:18:16.000You served as a weapon sergeant and sniper team leader, completing four combat tours.
00:18:21.000Following your military service, Gary, you held a position of unit chief and special tactics instructor for a federal agency.
00:18:28.000Today, Gary is the owner and lead instructor of Paramount Tactical Solutions, a company dedicated to professional firearms and tactical training.
00:21:06.000So just from your knowledge across the spectrum and your own visits, do you feel there's any misconceptions that you're seeing repeated over and over and over again that have spread really far that, in your opinion, are pretty easily debunked or opposed?
00:21:25.000Yeah, you know, there's been a cycle of people taking very normal things or maybe even slightly abnormal and then turning them into suspicious items, right?
00:21:36.000One of the things that really struck me on the ground there was exactly how easy this entire thing was.
00:21:40.000You know, before I went there, one of the things that was being portrayed was like this was, you know, some big conspiracy.
00:22:04.000And then once you see the layout of the campus, you know, looking at it from a security standpoint, unfortunately, it was a real challenge.
00:22:12.000You know, once the information was out that this was the location, and then on top of that, once you look at the UVU court yard, it is channelized.
00:22:21.000There's only, it's obvious where any sort of speaker is going to be.
00:22:26.000So, you know, the thing that shocked me the most was how easy this was.
00:22:31.000And then once we get into coming back and then hearing things like, hey, you know what, you need to be Spider-Man, or people think that you have to have some sort of special access or that you have to climb up to the roof.
00:22:41.000When in reality, you walk right up to the roof, the pathway that goes in between buildings is level with the roof.
00:22:48.000And the only thing that separates that walkway from the roof is, you know, a three-foot guardrail that you just step over and now you're, you have access.
00:22:58.000And the other thing is it's very obvious to me if you just look at Google Maps, if you're trying to plan this operation, you know, it's simple.
00:23:07.000It's not that hard and it's not that complicated.
00:23:09.000And the thing is, we have all these kids out there playing Call of Duty and, you know, they're very tactically minded.
00:23:15.000And, you know, there was nothing, especially once I went there, talked to people on the ground, saw the campus, a lot of what wasn't clear to me was crystal clear.
00:23:27.000You know, especially by the time that we got the charging documents out, they laid out the evidence.
00:23:34.000And, you know, they continue to push a lot of disinformation, and there's a lot of reasons behind that.
00:23:39.000But, you know, that's what I wanted to do.
00:23:41.000Look, I don't want to be lied to by the government, but I don't want to be lied to by the internet either.
00:23:46.000And I think it's really important for us to make sure that we're pushing the truth and people are being honest about this.
00:23:52.000And, you know, I think that's one of the biggest problems is the omission.
00:23:57.000You know, a lot of people pushing these different conspiracy theories and exploiting Charlie's death for their own means, they're not telling you this information.
00:24:06.000Like, why haven't these people gone to this location and looked at this?
00:24:09.000Why aren't they showing people how easy it is to actually access the roof?
00:24:13.000And if people saw what I saw, a lot of this stuff would make a lot more sense to them and they wouldn't believe a lot of these other artificial narratives that people are pushing.
00:24:25.000Well, and let me just, because when you, I saw this video of yours, Gary, it was, it reminded me of the charging document.
00:24:32.000So this is straight from the charging document.
00:24:34.000It says, Robinson's mother explained that over the last year or so, Robinson had become more political and started to lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights oriented.
00:24:43.000She stated that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male who was transitioning genders.
00:24:48.000This resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between Robinson and his father, who have very different political views.
00:24:54.000In one conversation before the shooting, Robinson mentioned that Charlie Kirk would be holding an event at UVU, which Robinson said was a, quote, stupid venue for the event.
00:25:04.000Robinson accused Kirk of spreading hate.
00:25:07.000And when you see how easy that rooftop access is, you start to kind of put one and one together and you realize that Robinson had a plan that he was going to ultimately take advantage of.
00:25:17.000And he obviously knew how easy it was to get up to that rooftop, which is terrifying.
00:25:24.000And look, you know, one of the other things that's being pushed around for a long time was that, you know, TPUSA, both the local chapter and you guys didn't advertise this event till a couple days prior to.
00:25:37.000Now, the insinuation there is that that doesn't give Tyler enough time to plan for this.
00:25:42.000And what we found out with a little bit of, I don't know, 20, not even five minutes of Googling and looking, look, you guys had already put out on your website as early as August 27th.
00:25:54.000So we have at least almost a full two weeks prior to this that not only the time of the event, but the location, the exact location of the UVU courtyard.
00:26:03.000So when you have over 10 days of planning and it sounds like that Tyler already was familiar with the campus to begin with, like a lot of the mystery of this starts to go out the window and it starts to really conform with what is exactly being proposed by the state of Utah and the FBI in the charging documents.
00:26:23.000And we can attest, you know, Andrew Cipher, who's our head of field, you know, Charlie would sometimes throw these events out, you know, seven, 10 days in advance.
00:26:31.000If something opened up in his schedule, he would be able to do these outdoor events a pretty quick turn.
00:26:38.000And so those whole that whole theory kind of goes out the window.
00:26:49.000So, you know, early on, Frank Turk talked about that on the way there that, you know, he actually was looking at Charlie's phone and he saw drone footage from the event.
00:27:00.000Now, I had talked to, with that in mind, I was, number one, I went to UVU and I actually put the drone up.
00:27:43.000So that kind of reinforced other people saying, Brian Harpool specifically saying, like, hey, we couldn't get it.
00:27:49.000We couldn't get permission to get a drone up in the air.
00:27:51.000And of course, people took that, what Frank said at the beginning and said, hey, this is clear indication of lying and or a conspiracy.
00:27:59.000Well, what I found out was the picture that was being pushed around saying, hey, this is proof that there was drone footage was actually, it was very clear to me once I saw that picture.
00:28:11.000It is a wide angle shot of the crowd from this is actually the, I think, the images, guys, I sent them to you.
00:28:20.000Yeah, this is actually, there was a walkway or a bridge elevated that that was just, that was just from our events team that was setting up that event.
00:28:28.000They went up there to, as they always did, to show Charlie the crowd size.
00:28:33.000Yeah, I understand why Frank thought this was a drone, you know.
00:28:37.000But again, I think it almost shows that the lack of conspiracy because you guys aren't sitting in there, you know, micromanaging what people say.
00:28:44.000It's just different people's perspectives and there isn't some sort of collusion.
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00:29:58.000Gary, I just want you to give you a chance.
00:30:02.000Just, you know, explain your background, how people can follow you.
00:30:07.000Number one, like I said, I, you know, 9-11 happened a couple of days later.
00:30:10.000I was in a recruiting station, ended up with the initial push into Iraq.
00:30:14.000I was a sniper team leader during that tour that came back, went special operations, did three more combat tours, multiple training tours, ended up working as a special tactics instructor for a federal agency.
00:30:26.000And long story short, I ended up, I wanted to work for myself.
00:30:30.000So I opened up Paramount Tactical Solutions.
00:30:32.000We offer training to civilians, military and law enforcement, and from basic to advanced, whether it's handgun, we kind of specialize.
00:31:08.000So, Gary, everybody that I've talked to since all this happened that's been in combat, everybody that I know in that role that's actually seen live fire in combat says that bullets do weird things.
00:31:21.000What do they mean by that when they say that?
00:31:23.000Look, you know, when we talk about ballistics, we have internal, external, and terminal ballistics.
00:31:28.000And terminal ballistics is a study of what happens when a projectile hits a target.
00:31:36.000We're pretty good at predicting what happens internally and externally.
00:31:39.000But once it hits a target, you know, there's so many things going on.
00:31:42.000It is an extremely high speed, energetic event, and there's so many things that happen at the micro level.
00:31:48.000As soon as that projectile touches anything at the speeds that it's going, it's going to deform.
00:31:56.000And really, the prediction of that kind of goes out the window after that.
00:32:01.000The real problem that we have here in this particular case is everything that we would even begin to try to use to try to predict what could possibly happen.
00:32:52.000And so, you know, the thing that we need to understand is that the 30 out 6 was one of the most popular rifles in the United States for a really long time.
00:33:02.000And when we're picking ammunition, whether we're shooting, you know, varmints all the way up to moose, there is an ammunition type specified for the 30 off 6.
00:33:14.000And then you get into things like, you know, right here, I have reduced recoil ammunition, low recoil ammunition, tumble upon impact ammunition.
00:33:22.000Again, some additional reduced recoil.
00:33:25.000And when we have this large array of different ammunition and projectile types, to come to the conclusion that they're all going to result in the, you know, have the same results, which is what people seem to think, is a little crazy.
00:33:40.000And then just on top of that, like we could take the exact same ammunition, the exact same rifle, the exact same target, and you're going to have varied results if you were shooting that exact same target 100 times.
00:33:52.000It's just a, it's, it's very hard to predict what's going on.
00:33:54.000There's a lot of variables that we can't account for, and we don't even have that information with when it comes to the Tyler Robinson case to begin with.
00:34:03.000But there's also a lot of variables that you'll never account for just between the variances of the ammo conditions, the way that it hits the target, all of these things.
00:35:00.000And he actually does have the rifle when he jumps off of the building.
00:35:04.000And you can actually see it in several shots.
00:35:06.000The problem is we have a really crappy video that has been cropped way in.
00:35:11.000But if you actually look and look at it, there are many times where you can see what is clearly a rifle.
00:35:17.000Now, as far as assembly, what we believe is that he actually had the barreled action separated from the stock when he was walking around with that barreled action down his leg.
00:35:29.000So that's just the action in the barrel, the part that holds it all together.
00:35:33.000Well, not really the part that holds it all together, but the stock, the part that we is separate from it.
00:35:37.000So he could make it more compact and carry it to the shooting location.
00:35:40.000Here's some great examples of pictures that I pulled where you can actually see that he clearly has something much longer.
00:35:48.000The problem is, is that this video footage is so poor.
00:35:52.000And then on top of that, it's zoomed so, it's, you know, it's cropped so far in that it is very difficult to see this.
00:35:58.000And I understand why people are confused by that.
00:36:00.000But all it takes is two screws to put the action, the barrel of action. back onto the stock itself.
00:36:08.000And it's not going to affect accuracy or anything like that.