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00:02:24.000But that night I had this dream and in the dream I stood in front of the nation and I sang this very famous song from Beauty and the Beast, Tale as old as time, bitter, sweet and strange, finding they can change, learning you were wrong.
00:02:37.000And I woke up with this really strong sense knowing this is actually about Trump and America.
00:02:45.000America the Beautiful versus the Beast which has been the caricature of Trump that this rich brash guy that lives in a castle who's rude and mean and then America the Beautiful and a transformation that happens in relationship and the incredible thing this is like so prophetic and profound is that at the end of the movie when the Beast dies or almost dies is really what happens.
00:03:10.000He comes back and he's totally transformed and the kingdom is totally transformed.
00:03:15.000And I think that's literally what we're seeing right now with the assassination
00:03:20.000attempt on former President Trump is there's a transformation that's happening
00:03:26.000There certainly seemed to be, to me, and I know you were there at the RNC Charlie, a transformation even in Trump.
00:03:32.000It seemed like there was an increase of his grace, of his humility, of his statesmanship, and it's all of these things that I had seen in this dream that God had given me in January of 2017.
00:03:42.000So we have We have a documentary about that coming out this September, just two months before the election, because we're trying to encourage Christians to help them understand God cares about the affairs of men and presidents and kings and kingdoms.
00:04:01.000And we're not just going to say, oh, you know, it looks looking good for us.
00:04:04.000We'll just hope people vote in our direction.
00:04:07.000And I don't think people know, Charlie, and I know you do, that Kamala Harris, was appointed as the Attorney General for the state of California.
00:04:15.000They passed Proposition 8 that said, hey, you guys, we're passing this law, Proposition 8, that says men and women get married.
00:04:27.000And she refused to do the will of the people for two and a half years, fought against Proposition 8, and refused to defend a state law.
00:04:37.000So all of this stuff is implicated by biblical morality.
00:04:41.000All of this stuff is implicated by God's blessing upon our nation when we walk in righteousness or when we choose to say, nah, we don't want to do your way, God.
00:04:49.000We're going to reject your way and we'll do it our own way.
00:04:52.000And we're going to, you know, we don't need your blessing.
00:04:55.000And then you see what happens, which is chaos and crime and inflation and joblessness and groceries being out of reach for normal people to be able to purchase.
00:05:05.000That is all correlated to the blessing of God on a nation.
00:05:09.000Yeah, and so David, let's dive deeper into that.
00:05:11.000How do you then reconcile where some people say, was God really intervening in the bullet not hitting Donald Trump?
00:05:20.000Because, you know, someone still died.
00:05:21.000I mean, how do we explain that theologically?
00:07:00.000The third quarter is when we'll be in September, and the fourth quarter is that October month when ballots are out.
00:07:06.000That is really when things are going to start to move.
00:07:10.000David, What do you have to say to a pastor that is indifferent to this election?
00:07:16.000That they say it does not matter, or even worse, some pastors that will say, God is done with America.
00:07:23.000You know, I would usually start, Charlie, from Genesis Chapter 1.
00:07:27.000I think that's a good place to begin at the beginning.
00:07:30.000And in Genesis Chapter 1, I think it was one of your favorite chapters, is God ordered mankind to have dominion over the world, to rule.
00:07:40.000That word, dominion, means to take rulership.
00:07:44.000And that means that we influence the dealings, you know, how people function, how they interact in commerce, how they interact socially in the world around us.
00:07:54.000John Ashcroft, former Attorney General under Bush, said that the purpose of government is to create an environment where freedom flourishes.
00:08:01.000So that righteous people can live in that environment and function in a righteous way.
00:08:07.000And so you contrast that with a place like North Korea, where it's very hard to function in righteousness, where it's very hard to proliferate Christianity, where it's very hard to love your neighbor, And so there is an imperative before all of these other values that we want to do, like loving our neighbor as ourself, there's an imperative to fight for an environment where which we can do that.
00:08:33.000And that goes back to literally Genesis chapter 1, which God gives man the authority to take dominion, to have dominion, to take rule over the place he's called to live.
00:08:43.000And when we don't do that, then we fall into the trap that the Greek philosophers told us that if we don't engage in politics, then what happens is that we are ruled by our lessers.
00:08:52.000And that just doesn't mean, like, we're ruled by people that are stupider than us.
00:08:56.000That's a crass way of thinking about it.
00:08:58.000But what if we're ruled by people that are morally inferior?
00:09:01.000What if we're ruled by people that are morally corrupt?
00:09:04.000And that's what happens when people with strong moral center, Christians, don't engage in politics.
00:09:12.000And so that would be my first argument from Dominion and then moving onward from there, Charlie.
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00:11:07.000We can go into that for a while, but to continue is that God deals with people in relationship to covenant, and he's given us this covenant through Christ that says, you can return to me up to the point of finality, up to the last point, and that's most manifest by the man on the cross, by the thief on the cross, that he's about to die.
00:11:26.000He's under the judgment of God, right?
00:11:29.000He's about to die, and he turns to Christ at the very last moment, and Christ says, today I will.
00:11:36.000It's like America is not past the point of death.
00:11:39.000It's not past the point of the final judgment of God.
00:11:42.000We still have an opportunity to turn and repent.
00:11:46.000And the scripture over and over and over reiterates, if we will do that, God will bless our nation and give us another generation for our children To be able to walk in the lands of liberty.
00:11:57.000And I think, you know, if you're not thinking about your children, then your heart is in the wrong place.
00:12:02.000In the book of Malachi, God says, if the hearts of the fathers will turn towards the sons and the sons towards the fathers, I will heal the nation.
00:12:09.000So I would say to those pastors that are thinking, oh, it's too far gone.
00:12:12.000Please remember your children, your progeny, the people that God has entrusted you to, that they would have an environment Wherein they can pursue God and then see a place that flourishes with righteousness and then blesses the rest of the world.
00:12:26.000But if we don't see America restored first, we're not going to see the rest of the world restored second.
00:12:32.000They're under the spell of globalism and Marxism and all of these other isms that limit the ability to exercise our Christian liberties.
00:12:42.000Well, I mean, first of all, what pride that one has to say is that you confidently know that God has done with a nation.
00:12:50.000I think that is incredibly fatalistic.
00:12:52.000It also is quite honestly, it's anti-biblical in many different ways that God wants you to stop fighting because you think you can see things ahead of time.
00:13:05.000Secondly, when it goes back to the assassination attempt of Donald Trump and him getting shot, Donald Trump might have saved the life of Trump for Trump, but also beyond that, because he knows that this country would have been in bedlam and unrest, the likes of which we've never seen.
00:13:22.000That maybe God was putting peace and the shalom of the nation.
00:13:27.000And I do believe it was divine intervention.
00:13:32.000And so David, as pastors and Christians look regarding this election, how should they think about it?
00:13:41.000How should they go about making their political choice, which right now seems to be Donald Trump versus Kamala Harris?
00:13:49.000Yeah, I think there's a hierarchy of value that we move through when we make political decisions.
00:13:55.000No one will line up perfectly with your ideals, or your values, or the way, you know, you interpret the scripture, or any of those kind of things, and we understand that.
00:14:02.000But I think there's a couple of places to start, and I think the protection of life is one of the fundamental places.
00:14:09.000And it's a really easy argument in that if we don't have life, and we don't protect life, especially vulnerable life, Then we don't have really a future.
00:14:18.000When we start to devalue life itself, we start to devalue our nation and our people.
00:14:23.000The scripture is really clear that when we shed innocent blood, we see this from Abel throughout the Old Testament, the shedding of innocent blood brings a curse upon the nation.
00:14:33.000And so I think it's really easy for Christians that are even moderately on the right to say, you know, it's a really great starting point.
00:14:40.000I'm going to vote for people that protect Unborn life.
00:14:43.000And I know it's a complicated issue for many.
00:14:47.000There's a really easy way to move forward and say, hey, look, maybe politics is too complicated for me, but I want to protect life.
00:14:54.000The other big issues are to protect Christian liberties, is to say, I want to be able to speak about my faith in public.
00:15:01.000And when we see the practices of the left as first exemplified in Europe and then in Canada and then making their way here, Christian free speech is being limited and people are going to jail around the world and that's on its way here unless we vote for people that believe in constitutional rights and liberties like free speech.
00:15:20.000So I think protection of life is really important.
00:15:23.000I think protection of the ability to exercise freedom of religion is very important.
00:15:28.000And then there are a couple of issues, but Christians have to have a hierarchy of value, and not killing other people has to be really close to the top of that hierarchy of value.
00:15:38.000I know people believe all kinds of things about immigration or taxation, and I'm okay with people having different opinions, but protecting the innocent, I think, is a really easy place for the vast majority of evangelical Christians to say, you know what?
00:15:56.000You may not think that, But you can still say, I want to defend the most innocent, and so I'm going to engage so that one day when I stand before God and he says, hey, why didn't you take 20 minutes out of your day on November 5th to engage the laws that rule the nation?
00:16:14.000You know, the exact... Yes, or just...
00:16:19.000We're not asking you to get shot like Donald Trump was shot.
00:16:23.000We're asking you to fill in a mail-in ballot.
00:16:25.000Okay, I want to play this piece of tape here and just get your initial reaction, which we were texting about this, David, which is, do you live in the context of which you are in?
00:17:44.000And so the idea that we're going to create some kind of sophistry that we're going to be unburdened from the past to see the future is, you know, it's strict Marxist idealism, which our friend Dr. James Lindsay talks about so well.
00:17:58.000This idea that under this Marxist rubric that we're going to be free from all the pain in the past.
00:18:03.000All you have to do is hand over all of power to me and I will create an idealistic utopia where There's no more racism, and there's no more evil, and there's no more crime, and that's not how the world works, and that's not how we change anything.
00:18:17.000We change things by changing ourselves.
00:18:19.000And that's why Jesus said, if you want the kingdom of heaven to come, repent first for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
00:18:25.000He didn't say take the Marxist dogma and overthrow Caesar or the other ruling class, but that you have the obligation to repent yourself and change and carry the burden that you're due.
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00:19:55.000It says, This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take and hold, to subdue nations before him, and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him, so that gates will not be shut.
00:20:12.000There's a late 19th century commentary about this verse and the commentary says of this verse that this is the only time in recorded history of the scripture where God calls a person that's not specifically a part of the house, like specifically a priest or a prophet or an Israelite king, specifically God's anointed to Sometimes people think that scripture where if you say a prayer and the mountain is removed that has to do with actual mountains.
00:20:42.000From biblical symbology, mountains represent kingdoms, and they represent places of power.
00:20:50.000Sometimes people think that scripture where if you say a prayer and the mountain is removed, that has to do with
00:21:07.000And I think God wants to use Trump to do these things, which are strip kings of their power and move mountains.
00:21:14.000What does it mean to strip a king of his power?
00:21:16.000That language in Hebrew, Charlie, means that they would be in their very soul shaken, or that their loins would be made weak.
00:21:25.000And I think that's going to happen in this next presidency if the people do what they're called to do, which is engage, get out and vote, influence their friends and family.
00:21:35.000I don't think this is a slam dunk, but I think God is giving us an opportunity to engage and he's setting up a roadway for us to walk down right now.
00:21:45.000Yeah, and look, the Biden thing might have been too easy.
00:21:47.000And maybe God's plan is like, no, I'm going to see if you guys want to work for it.
00:22:07.000But we understand that there is a divine, eternal, component that we cannot control, but it's not going to happen by just us sitting on the couch eating Fritos Doritos and sipping Mountain Dew.
00:22:22.000Yeah, the scripture says this phrase, it's a proposition really, if my people who are called by name, my name, It doesn't say when my people or that God's going to control their minds with his power.
00:22:34.000It says, if my people choose to engage, if my people who are called by my name humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will come and bring blessing, heal the nation.
00:22:46.000Well, what is in part our wicked ways?
00:22:47.000Part of that is just the apathy that we've walked in as a nation that we've said, you know, I don't need to deal with this.
00:22:55.000I'm just going to let Whoever wants to take power.
00:22:59.000We see this best exemplified in the book of Daniel because Daniel is a man that is a man of God that's engaged in let's call it secular politics and he prays faithfully and he engages faithfully and he influences the king of his time faithfully.
00:23:40.000But we manifest our desire and God's desire through regular, everyday acts.
00:23:46.000There's this phrase, like, don't be too heavenly minded that you can be of no earthly good.
00:23:51.000That really comes to play here when we talk about politics.
00:23:53.000It's like, no, if you if you call to love your neighbor, then you're called to care about the laws that rule their actual life.
00:24:02.000You're cared to call about the president that's in charge of their actual country.
00:24:06.000How can you say you love your neighbor if you don't care about who rules the country?
00:24:12.000And I mean that in the rulership and the constitutional construct of a democratic republic, et cetera, et cetera.
00:24:16.000But voting shows that you're caring for your neighbor, that you're loving your neighbor, and that's why this term, this election cycle, we have to engage.
00:24:26.000We have to be like Daniel, who both prays and influences, who hopes for angels to show up, which is what we're hoping for, but also walks into the King's office and says, hey King, you've got to treat our people X-way or that they're Speaking on behalf of godly principles and righteous edicts, so forth and so on, that we would see righteousness in this nation.