Pastor John MacArthur joins the show to discuss his new book, The War on Children . Pastor John MacArthur has been a pastor of Grace Community Church for over 55 years and is the author of The War On Children.
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00:00:01.000The legend Pastor John MacArthur joins the program.
00:00:04.000He has been faithfully the pastor of Grace Community Church for 55 years, one of the most published and respected Christian communicators, thinkers, authors, and he's a true philosopher.
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00:02:42.000The great silent majority is rising like never before.
00:03:51.000I mean, you're addressing it all the time.
00:03:53.000And now the attack is directed at children.
00:03:58.000It's not enough that they're sinners to start with.
00:04:00.000It's not enough that they inherit the sins of their fathers for three and four generations so that they have to live in the world at the corruption level that the predecessors have created.
00:04:13.000It's not enough that sin runs rampant and evil men get worse and worse.
00:04:19.000That in itself is the environment that they live in.
00:04:22.000But then the culture, in our case, has literally turned on the children.
00:04:27.000It's almost like in ancient times, offering babies to Molech or burning them to bail.
00:04:35.000The assault on children is just astounding at this particular point in our culture.
00:04:45.000And I saw that, you know, in a very defined way, and maybe not even the most deadly way, in what was done to kids during the COVID lockdowns.
00:04:57.000Yeah, so Pastor, let's zero in on that.
00:05:00.000During COVID, we were told the worst thing that could possibly happen was that grandma would get COVID and die.
00:05:11.000But we were told that we must shut down all of society and harm children and lock down schools because the older individuals in America mattered more than the younger.
00:05:25.000That's the first time in American history where the older generation made conscious and deliberate political and economic decisions to make sure their grandkids have a worse life and that they could enjoy a couple more years.
00:06:39.000When you can't get those drugs except through a medical doctor, so why are they advertising all of these drugs to people watching television?
00:06:49.000And the only answer possible is this: because that way they silence the media.
00:06:56.000In other words, if the media are funded by big pharma, they're not going to criticize them.
00:07:02.000So I think that they have bought off the media.
00:07:05.000That's just one illustration of trying to get the truth through the machinations of these kinds of alliances is very difficult.
00:07:21.000Obviously, some ideologies and a whole lot of financial reasons.
00:07:27.000Yeah, I think that I want your theological opinion here: it is the wishes of the demonic of Satan to get rid of the children and to have a society that declares war and an assault on such children.
00:07:43.000And it is the role of the Christian to actually protect children.
00:08:05.000It was nearly institutionalized in ancient civilizations.
00:08:10.000Can you speak to the cultural impact that Christianity has had over the last millennia, a couple millennia, where Christianity has been the greatest defender of children that mankind has ever known?
00:09:50.000And again, the family is the priority, loving husbands, loving wives, raising godly children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
00:10:00.000And as long as there was Christian influence in culture, which the West enjoyed over the last couple of hundred years, there was a priority on the safety and security of children.
00:10:14.000But as this society has become secularized, and even worse than that, you might even say Satanized, when they have abandoned God altogether.
00:10:27.000And when you abandon God, you don't end up in neutral.
00:10:34.000It's either light or darkness, nothing in between.
00:10:36.000So I think as Christianity has been removed from the public square, as it has been attacked and assaulted because people don't want a God who tells them how to live and confronts their sin, children will become again the victim.
00:10:56.000And we're going to have the same kind of paganism that existed back in the Old Testament.
00:11:08.000I don't know how many babies were burned to Molech and Baal on an altar, but certainly nowhere near the number that are murdered in the womb.
00:11:18.000A million a year, a million abortions a year right now in America, and well over 55 to 60 million abortions since the passing of Roe versus Wade.
00:11:33.000It's the war on children, and it doesn't have to be this way.
00:11:36.000I think you've said it perfectly, Pastor, which is as America has become more satanic or secular, you could use either term, but they're not necessarily the same, but they're very close.
00:11:50.000Like, just get rid of them, just eliminate them.
00:11:52.000Is that if you do not have the transcendent belief that Christ is king and Christ is Lord, then all of a sudden your civilization starts to discard children.
00:12:00.000And that's exactly why Jesus had to be explicit in his teaching about protecting children.
00:12:06.000Not every civilization has gotten that right.
00:13:45.000Can you give us the theological backing for that?
00:13:49.000Yeah, you know, if you go back into the Old Testament, the children of Israel come into the promised land, they run into all these Canaanite tribes and they're involved in child sacrifice.
00:14:02.000And if you follow the pattern in the book, the war on children, I trace child sacrifice, its origins, it's the nations of the world that were involved in that.
00:14:15.000I mean, it goes all the way to Indian, like the Incas and other sort of ancient tribes of Indians who offered children as sacrificial offerings to their gods.
00:14:30.000So pagan religion has always, always participated in child sacrifice.
00:14:42.000The marvelous thing about that is that I believe God rescues those children that are sacrificed.
00:14:50.000And I wrote a book on that, a book particularly on that subject: What happens to babies that die?
00:14:59.000Because that, I think, is a rescue operation by God himself.
00:15:04.000So I think even with abortion, as horrendous as it is, and it's the contemporary form of child sacrifice to the God of self and the God of sin and the God of independence that dominates mental thinking these days among individuals who just want to live for their own enjoyment, their own pleasure.
00:15:32.000It's still the sacrifice of children for a God, only the God is the self, the one who makes the sacrifice.
00:16:37.000Just for one illustration, Jesus was with his disciples.
00:16:41.000People were bringing little children to him, putting them in his arms.
00:16:48.000And he said, of such is the kingdom of heaven.
00:16:54.000These little ones belong to the kingdom of heaven.
00:16:58.000What our Lord was saying was: until a child reaches the age of accountability, at which point that child decides against faith in God or for faith in God, God holds them in their innocence as a part of his kingdom.
00:17:20.000And I think that's exactly what he meant.
00:17:26.000And that's why Jesus made the statement that before you would do harm to a little one, you'd be better off to have a millstone hanged around your neck and be drowned in the depth of the sea.
00:19:34.000It carves up and sucks out the bits and pieces of a child created in the image of God.
00:19:41.000But once the child is 12 years old or 13 years old, this culture is willing to carve the child up again for the insane lie of gender dysphoria.
00:19:57.000This, I think, is the insanity of Romans one.
00:20:01.000In Romans one, God says there's wrath, and the wrath of God is revealed against all ungodliness.
00:20:44.000In other words, it becomes a kind of insanity.
00:20:47.000So when you look at a culture, a godless culture, and you see a sexual revolution followed by a homosexual revolution, followed by insanity, you are watching the judgment of God.
00:21:16.000Well, certainly the insanity is, if it's anything, it's thinking you're a girl when you're a man, thinking you're a man when you're a woman, and going to the extent where you literally carve up children under the illusion that they are the other sex.
00:21:36.000And this is not done in barns somewhere in the back woods.
00:21:43.000This is done in the major hospital institutions of our nation.
00:21:48.000There's a huge hospital, probably the premier hospital in Los Angeles, which has the most extensive carving up of children of any hospital in this region.
00:21:59.000You would think at some point the Hippocratic oath would step in and the insanity would be halted, but it isn't.
00:22:09.000So again, this is the war on children taken to the most barbaric pagan level.
00:22:16.000You can dismember them in the womb or you can carve them up even when they're a teenage young person.
00:22:24.000And then of course, as you know, you have to deal with the fact that they're now going to be at least 12 times more likely to commit suicide.
00:22:34.000And teenagers these days are more likely to commit suicide than any generation in American history.
00:22:41.000And there's some evidence that that has to do with their overexposure to the cell phone, internet, and all that that conveys to make their hearts and minds dissatisfied with who they are.
00:22:56.000So it compounds everything to an almost unbelievable level.
00:23:01.000Yes, a study published just last month shows that those who underwent gender surgery had a suicide risk 12 times higher than those who did not, adding more data showing the dangers of the life-altering procedure.
00:23:40.000Well, first of all, Charlie, you have to understand the truth.
00:23:45.000You know, when we were told to shut down the church, there was no way we were going to do that because the United States government is not the head of the church.
00:23:54.000Christ is the head of the church, and we know what our mandate is.
00:23:58.000And once it became apparent to us that they were lying about the death toll that was supposed to come from COVID, once we knew the statistics were not accurate, once we knew that the people who were in danger were the people who were old and had comorbidities, once we knew we weren't getting the truth, then we had to stand for the truth.
00:24:24.000And when we opened the church, and when that happened, I remember on a given Sunday, we said, we're going to have all the children come back because children had been frustrated and they can't see their friends.
00:24:45.000So we opened the church, and I think we had a thousand kids that Sunday come back.
00:24:53.000And that just kicked open the whole of Grace Church.
00:24:58.000And what was so interesting to me was we knew this COVID was not what they said it was.
00:25:06.000And that validated it because once we began to meet, the health department began to examine us, try to track us in COVID cases and all of that.
00:25:16.000And they eventually had to post on the Los Angeles Health Department website that there was no COVID outbreak ever at Grace Community Church.
00:25:42.000We countersued so that we could stay open.
00:25:45.000So I think it all starts with getting the truth.
00:25:49.000And you've got to realize that the culture is going to lie and deceive you.
00:25:55.000It's really difficult to get the truth about almost anything in this society because there are forces that own the media.
00:26:06.000There are forces that own the politicians.
00:26:09.000There are forces that own the medical profession, the doctors.
00:26:15.000These forces are counter to the protection of children and families and the well-being of its citizens, and also certainly counter to Christianity and the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.
00:26:31.000You've got to be willing to take a stand against the lies.
00:26:36.000And then beyond that, you've got to go right back to the Bible, right back to the word of God.
00:26:41.000And God gives us all that we need to know for raising children who will grow up to give honor and glory to him.
00:26:48.000You can raise them in the nurture and admonition of the Lord.
00:26:52.000And most of the book on the War on Children book is on that.
00:26:57.000There's an opening section in which we talk about the problem.
00:27:00.000But the bulk of the book is the solution, what the Word of God gives us to instruct our children so that they can live godly lives in the face of an ungodly culture.
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00:28:29.000How are women under attack in the modern era, and what can we do about it?
00:28:36.000Well, women are under attack, of course, by feminism.
00:28:40.000I mean, that's the primary assault that's been launched, and it's been rolling out for decades and decades and decades.
00:28:49.000Women basically being told that if they're keepers at home, lovers of their husband, submissive to their husbands, if they raise children and the home is their world, that they somehow are second class.
00:29:10.000They somehow have forfeited the opportunity to be what a woman can be.
00:29:18.000We saw that last week with the kicker for the Kansas City Chiefs giving a talk about women being homemakers and lovers of their husband and those who care for their children.
00:29:32.000And all horror broke loose against him.
00:29:35.000I think even the NFL took a stand against him for advocating what is the foundation of all human society.
00:29:44.000Loving mothers raising their children to live righteous and useful lives and partnering with their husbands for the dynamic impact on the world that strong families will have.
00:29:59.000So when feminism began to disintegrate the family, when it began to just drive women away from their God-given high calling, the assault on women was full force.
00:30:14.000And you find some of those things in ancient paganism, some of those feminine, feministic aspects of culture.
00:30:23.000But it was an all-out assault on the family that really did it, taking women out of the role that God designed for them, shattering and splintering the family.
00:30:34.000So that what you get in the next generation, if you want to get an illustration of it, is you get what you saw in the riots at all the universities, irresponsible, ignorant kids just creating havoc because they, I think, are the products of their inadequate parenting.
00:31:29.000Almost impossible to say the word masculinity without adding an adjective toxic, as if being a man is, is something poisonous to a society.
00:31:42.000I mean, that message has gotten across literally.
00:31:45.000Men have been browbeaten and and knocked down and made to feel like they are barely useful in any sense in the culture.
00:31:56.000They have been trampled on by women and by weak men.
00:32:01.000And the homosexual movement has added a component that has basically redefined manhood in a most, excuse me, in a most unproductive and ungodly way.
00:32:16.000I mean, look, Satan has attacked men so that they don't desire to be strong fathers, attacked women so that they don't desire to be strong mothers, attacked children.
00:32:32.000It's just a wholesale assault on every part, every role that the family plays that is the building block of a sane society.
00:32:43.000And the hyper-feminization of the American church has been a tragedy in recent years, especially.
00:32:51.000And so we talk about the solution, knowing the truth and then contesting for the truth.
00:32:57.000The solution has to be the church, though.
00:32:59.000And I want to kind of end how we started here, which is you talk about the slaughter of the innocents and the key battlefronts.
00:33:06.000And, you know, chapter four, which is, of course, in the book of Psalms, children are a gift from the Lord.
00:33:11.000The only solution here, though, is Christians and Christianity rising again and doing God's will here on earth.
00:33:21.000It's not going to be the secularists that are going to do this.
00:33:26.000Pastor, can you kind of lay out the blueprint of what that might look like?
00:33:30.000Yeah, well, Charlie, I mean, that is the real point.
00:33:33.000Until the church gets its act together, until the church is faithful to be the institution that trains husbands, wives, and children,
00:33:47.000until the church communicates from the scripture, from the word of God, the patterns for building godly, strong men, the patterns for building godly, strong women and strong families and the protection of children, until the church does its work.
00:34:06.000And what's wrong with the church is not just the feminization of the church, it's the worldliness of the church.
00:34:13.000It's the church, instead of confronting the corruption of the culture, it's the church courting the culture, trying to be like the culture, trying to be liked by the culture.
00:34:29.000The idea is if we can sound like them, dress like them, look like them, if we can pick up all the cultural idiosyncrasies that are hot at the given Moment, you know, maybe we can get people to like Jesus if they if they like us.
00:34:46.000And so, with that kind of soft, mealy mouth approach to the proclamation of the message of the gospel, the church forfeits its impact.
00:34:58.000What the church has to do is confront sin, confront all of these things with the scripture boldly, with love, and call for gospel truth to prevail for faith in the gospel for trust in Christ, so that one can be transformed, become the temple of the Holy Spirit, and have the power to live a godly life and be a part of a godly family.
00:35:28.000The church has to get its strength back.
00:35:32.000It has to be against the world, not a part of the world.
00:35:38.000It can't just blend in to the world around it.
00:35:42.000That is a deadly strategy that not only doesn't win the world, it kills the church.
00:36:23.000What you want to do is, first of all, think about the opportunity to be a wife and mother.
00:36:30.000And if that gets protracted, pushed off because the Lord doesn't bring the right man along in your life, then you can kind of go through the career phase.
00:36:41.000But a woman's priority should be to be married, love her husband, raise godly children.
00:36:50.000I mean, the Bible says that a woman is saved through childbearing.
00:36:54.000It doesn't mean she's saved from eternal hell.
00:37:59.000Well, first of all, accept the fact that the Lord doesn't expect you to bear children if you can't do that.
00:38:07.000But adoption, that is a wonderful opportunity.
00:38:11.000One of the great doctrines of the New Testament is the doctrine of adoption, that everyone who comes to faith in Christ, God adopts as his own child.
00:38:22.000And that's an interesting thing because the scripture is clear that if you're a believer, you were born again into the family of God.
00:39:17.000And then take on the responsibility of raising children according to the things of scripture and God will fill your life with boundless joy as you're faithful to do that.
00:39:28.000Pastor, thank you for your leadership.
00:39:30.00055 years you have been at the Grace Community Church.
00:40:01.000Again, the amount of impressive publications he has is really remarkable.
00:40:09.000It's Pastor John MacArthur, Grace Community Church in California, one of the most important voices in the country that God has been using for quite some time.