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00:01:25.000And, you know, there's a lot of people.
00:01:29.000That do not work that hard in politics.
00:01:32.000They're there for the photo ops and, you know, I guess the cocktail parties and the rubber chicken dinners.
00:01:39.000Now there are people that are not like that, like Senator Eric Schmidt, who just closed up a hearing, ran all the way to his office, and he's joining us now.
00:02:02.000Yeah, the grassroots is here, Senator.
00:02:04.000You were leading a hearing this morning on Operation Arctic Frost, which is a very frosty, cold, fitting title for that.
00:02:17.000That, by the way, I just want to remind this audience, included spying on Turning Point and our affiliate organizations.
00:02:23.000And you were leading the charge this morning.
00:02:25.000I wanted to get you on right away to tell the audience about why you're leading this hearing, what you've discovered, and what the status is.
00:02:32.000Yeah, the focus of our hearing, there's been a couple hearings on Arctic Frost.
00:02:36.000And as your audience knows, this was the effort by Jack Smith and others essentially to have this dragnet of not just President Trump for the trying to imprison him for the rest of his life.
00:02:49.000But to pull in anybody, the crime being they had an R next to their name or they were part of the American right, Turning Point being one of it.
00:02:56.000I was actually the chairman of the Republican Attorneys General Association at the time they had subpoenaed.
00:03:02.000They'd done all this sort of work, again, for Jack Smith's kind of show me the man, I'll show you the crime effort, and really to try to destroy a movement.
00:03:10.000I think that's what this really was about.
00:03:11.000But the hearing today was the focus was the coordination that took place because it wasn't just Jack Smith.
00:03:18.000This was, you know, two days after President Trump announces he's running for president again.
00:03:22.000Jack Smith is appointed special counsel.
00:03:25.000The Fulton County case, the Fonnie Willis case, that gets set up.
00:03:31.000One of the assistant prosecutors is meeting, we find out, is meeting with the White House officials.
00:03:36.000There's communication that we unveiled today as part of the documents when they're trying to set up this meeting.
00:03:43.000Senior White House officials are saying, oh my gosh, Fonnie Willis is an icon.
00:04:05.000Because it was another effort to prosecute Trump.
00:04:07.000But really, this Arctic Frost investigation, it pulled in all kinds of conservative organizations.
00:04:14.000And really, what they were trying to do, Andrew, was to map a political movement and to intimidate and litigate people out of their organizations.
00:04:25.000So the prosecution and the effort, the procedure was the penalty, right?
00:04:29.000They knew they weren't going to get any convictions, but you make people, you ruin their careers, you make them spend a bunch of money on lawyers on this.
00:04:35.000This was a very coordinated effort by Jack Smith, who's a total dirtbag.
00:04:38.000To roll in the entire conservative apparatus.
00:04:41.000Well, so as you say, for them, the process was the punishment.
00:05:07.000I actually asked one of the witnesses today that if this went beyond just the political bias, There's a criminal aspect to this if you go beyond that, and it's a potential conspiracy against rights, right?
00:05:19.000And that is what could be on the table if a federal prosecutor chose to move forward on that.
00:06:41.000So if you're part of the original conspiracy on mile marker one, and you then leave government service or do something or leave office or whatever, in mile marker five, you are still responsible for the effects and the consequences of that conspiracy on mile marker 10.
00:06:57.000And I think that's where we're at right now.
00:06:58.000So I think that's the way to go after this.
00:07:01.000And there's a lot of people that should be implicated.
00:07:03.000Are you going to be making do you think this committee?
00:07:07.000These hearings, are they going to result in criminal referrals to the DOJ?
00:07:14.000So we've had a couple of hearings now.
00:07:15.000And my prediction is that this will culminate with a hearing with Jack Smith.
00:07:19.000And I think that'll be where you'll have the fireworks.
00:07:22.000And then my hope is that there's enough evidence here that this just went beyond just something that people think is disgusting, but actually was much more than that.
00:07:33.000And so, but the reason why we're having these hearings, guys, before we get to Jack Smith, so Jack Smith already testified in front of the House on the Senate Judiciary Committee, we want to get as much of all of those relevant documents.
00:07:44.000And most of them have come from whistleblowers because the last thing you want to do is have Jack Smith up there who kind of knows everything that went down, and we don't have as much information as we should.
00:08:14.000Very well aware of what you're doing here because I think it's important, along with the DNI revelations that you mentioned with the inspector general and the first impeachment.
00:08:21.000I'm going to play a Joy Reid clip here.
00:09:39.000First of all, we should be back on, get back to the Save America Act.
00:09:42.000I mean, I just don't, I think that election integrity, and, you know, I've been in close contact with the president about this, and not only do we have the two, the pieces of making sure only Americans can vote in American elections and photo ID, but then also getting rid of these mail in balloting scams, making sure men can't compete in women's sports, and getting rid of this transgender mutilation for our kids.
00:10:01.000Those are all 80 20, 90 10 issues, and we ought to spend all the time necessary to get that done.
00:10:10.000Effectively, what we're going to do here is since the Democrats have blocked the ICE funding, they went from defund the police to defund ICE now.
00:10:25.000And so now our response is going to be we're not going to just do one year funding for ICE and for deportations.
00:10:32.000We're going to supercharge that in a multi year set, at least three years worth of funding, so we don't have to deal with this nonsense again in September 30th or even next year, right?
00:11:22.000They've lost the case with the American people.
00:11:24.000And our response shouldn't be, well, okay, that's in the past.
00:11:27.000Our response is people have broken the law and we can't tolerate this.
00:11:31.000If we still believe we're a sovereign nation, if we still believe that America is a nation, that it's not some economic zone, that we're a nation and a people, we need to defend it.
00:11:39.000And that's why this reconciliation piece is important.
00:11:41.000Well, so this is, I mean, I couldn't agree with you more, Senator, but what frustrates me to no end, and I know it frustrates Blake. Is instead of getting mass deportations, instead of getting more, like, I don't know, tough, aggressive actions, we're getting pitched again and again and again this diet amnesty garbage because they think it pulls better.
00:12:02.000I will scream it from the top of my lungs until, I don't know, I'm done screaming, I guess.
00:12:08.000But I want somebody to hear me that, listen, if you're going to cuck out on deportations and immigration, you will depress turnout at the midterms.
00:12:18.000I don't care that you see a 75 number next to the diet amnesty crap.
00:12:22.000You will depress our base and we will not get out and vote for you in the midterms.
00:12:37.000And that's how we're going to win this coalition that this immigration question is at the front and center.
00:12:43.000And by the way, it was the central topic when President Trump came down the escalator.
00:12:48.000To say out loud what so many people in middle America, where I'm from, have been feeling for a long time.
00:12:54.000They were pissed off that their jobs got shipped over to China, these blue collar workers, these blue collar jobs, people I grew up around, my family.
00:13:00.000And when they turned around to look for new jobs, this country was flooded with illegal immigration that took the jobs or suppressed wages.
00:13:06.000Now it's happening with white collar jobs like H 1B, which is foreign workers, or even the OPT, which are foreign visas for students now to take our jobs.
00:13:50.000And I just, I'm so grateful to you for.
00:13:53.000Continuing to beat this drum because it is so critically important to the health, not only of the coalition, but the outcome of the midterms.
00:14:00.000And if you're not going to give the base what they voted for, what is the point of voting for Republicans?
00:14:05.000So, I mean, and listen, I want to keep the coalition together as much as anybody, but I can't make the case if I'm not getting results either, right?
00:14:48.000No, and by the way, we should be unafraid to talk about that.
00:14:51.000And not everybody in my conference wants to, but I'm because if we really are America first, if we really are who we say we are and that we're Fighting for the American people.
00:15:01.000The American people begin screwed over through this legal immigration system that is so fraudulent at this point.
00:15:08.000And H 1B, as we mentioned, look, we don't have a talent problem in this country.
00:15:12.000We have corporations that would rather import cheaper labor that's more compliant because the only reason they get to stay here is the company sponsoring them.
00:15:20.000And so the indignity of the American who has to train his foreign replacement for his severance pay is total, and that's got to end.
00:15:29.000Well, it's a mass demoralization campaign, too, by the way.
00:15:32.000I hear it from the students on campus.
00:15:34.000It's like, are they going to go into finance, which they don't really want to do?
00:15:37.000They'd rather do engineering or they'd rather do something in computer science or program or whatever.
00:15:41.000But they look around, the class is full of Indian and Chinese foreign visa holders, and they're like, I guess it's not for me.
00:15:48.000So that little psychology starts trickling throughout the country and our culture.
00:16:13.000So this is people, a lot of people don't know that.
00:16:15.000So we have incentives built in that shouldn't be there.
00:16:18.000Now, the good news on OPT, on the student one you're talking about, is that the director of Homeland Security can change that by executive order.
00:16:33.000And we have made, I want to give the administration its due.
00:16:36.000I mean, there was that big Cato report that came out trying to dunk on the mass collapse of legal immigration.
00:16:42.000Meanwhile, our whole base is like slow clapping.
00:16:44.000So, listen, they're making huge strides in a lot of ways on legal immigration, but I think we need to codify this.
00:16:51.000I think we need to get the Republicans in D.C. behind the fact that, listen, curtailing legal immigration, you know, I've had my differences with them, but Senator Tom Cotton in Trump 1.0 had a great.
00:17:06.000Bill on this that would have returned immigration to merit and decreased it from a million point two to five hundred thousand a year.
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00:18:49.000Without further ado, I want to bring in Scott Jennings, who is a great American and just, he's been a great friend and he is such a strong voice for conservatism in some of the hardest places you can imagine, namely CNN.
00:19:07.000So, which is not your normal stomping grounds unless you're mixing it up with the CNN folks.
00:19:13.000But here, let's just give us your stake.
00:19:15.000I want to do 30,000 feet with Scott Jennings, the state of the movement, the state of the country right now, and where we need to go next.
00:19:22.000Well, the state of the movement right now is a little unsettled, but I think we all need to realize what's at stake in November.
00:19:29.000I mean, I say this a lot, and I know Charlie felt strongly about this, too.
00:19:33.000The future of Western civilization is at stake.
00:19:35.000I mean, I look at what's going on just in the last few days, few weeks.
00:19:39.000Our opponents have become even more radical.
00:19:41.000And you had Democrat members of Congress and Democrat elected officials in Spain over the weekend, effectively telling a bunch of socialists that we need to overthrow the U.S. government.
00:19:51.000They're still committed to this unfettered illegal immigration.
00:19:54.000Getting people here, keeping people here, even if they're violent.
00:19:57.000I mean, we're not really arguing about politics as usual.
00:20:00.000We're arguing about the future of our country and the future of the West.
00:20:03.000And so, the state of the movement ought to be, Andrew, understanding the stakes.
00:20:12.000And we had a guest on, Joshua Hames, who's great, who divided the coalition into the neocons, the patriots, the plan trusters, the dissidents that feel like it's their job to hold the admins' feet to the fire, but they're supportive.
00:20:27.000And I think that's a pretty good taxonomy about how the base is actually divided.
00:20:31.000And by the way, the accelerationists want to pull the dissidents away, and the neocons want to pull the plan trusters away and drive a stake right in the middle and divide us.
00:20:40.000We have to stay united because your point is well made.
00:22:11.000Number two, if anybody watched 60 Minutes on Sunday night, I mean, you've got the UN and other weapons experts saying, yes, Iran has 970 pounds of enriched uranium.
00:22:53.000Of a major political party in this country right now, and the risks of putting them back in charge for whatever divisions or, you know, little buckets we're in as conservatives, the wages of putting those people back in charge are absolutely severe.
00:23:09.000That's all accurate, and it's very disturbing they're doing that, but we can see why they might be doing that, which is we can look at the polls.
00:23:16.000The conflict with Iran was started with not a ton of buy in, and I don't think that buy in is going up as it extends on.
00:23:23.000So, Even if the goal is just Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, what's either the best way to make this case going forward or what should the agenda be for the administration?
00:23:35.000How much runway do they have to get this wrapped up, do you think?
00:23:40.000I mean, my view is national security ought to be run based on goals, not on daily tracking polls.
00:23:45.000And so if I'm Donald Trump, we're in this war, he had a goal and he has a mission to keep them from getting a nuclear weapon.
00:23:51.000You really can't end it until you tell the American people you've taken it away.
00:23:54.000I think to end it prematurely would actually be.
00:23:57.000You just want to look at it purely politically, that would be the worst politics because then you've gone in and you didn't actually achieve what you said you wanted to achieve as your principal goal.
00:24:15.000I think he actually has them right now, have a lot of confidence in what the U.S. military is able to do when you take them off the leash, which we've seen over the last few weeks.
00:24:23.000So, you know, I put my trust in the president on this.
00:24:26.000By the way, we all debate these things.
00:24:43.000And look, at the end of this thing, my view is if he says we went in, they no longer possess the ability to have a nuclear weapon, the American people will say, oh, well, that was a good idea and that was worth it.
00:24:53.000Because if you look at some of the other polls, they agree with his broad goals no nukes, no exporting of terror, and so on.
00:25:01.000And so if the American people agree with the goals, And then you achieve the goals in a reasonable amount of time, which I think we're still within that window, it'll ultimately be viewed as a successful operation.
00:25:13.000I agree that there is a potential upswing here if we can wrap this thing up and achieve the stated goals, namely putting excavators in there with U.S. officials digging up the uranium.
00:25:24.000I think that would be a really powerful visual for the world.
00:25:27.000I worry that Iran are just a bunch of liars, and this is what they do they drag things out.
00:25:32.000So I guess the question that a lot of people are asking right now, Scott, is.
00:25:36.000Where you have our negotiators going to Iran, and you got, I think it's Witkoff, Kushner, and JD again.
00:25:45.000We're assuming they're going to play games with us.
00:25:47.000Do you bomb when President Trump's timeline comes to an end?
00:25:53.000Do you start bombing or do you extend the timeline?
00:25:55.000What would be your advice to the president?
00:25:56.000I think they've extended the ceasefire by one day.
00:25:59.000I don't think the vice president actually left Washington as we record this interview right now.
00:26:03.000And so there's obviously, we're in a little bit of a murky period.
00:26:07.000My view is, you go in good faith, you try to get a deal that takes the nuclear weapons away.
00:26:13.000And if you sense that they are lying, If you sense that they are jerking you around, if you sense that they just are not operating in good faith, then you have to go in and enforce your mission here.
00:26:23.000And the mission is to take away their nuclear weapons.
00:26:26.000I mean, the president, I think, wants peace.
00:26:28.000And I think he's showing some restraint right now.
00:26:30.000I actually think the naval blockade was a stroke of genius.
00:26:41.000The only way to enforce an agreement with these kinds of people is to really put them in a position where they have no choice but to comply.
00:28:37.000I don't see a commander in chief on that list.
00:28:40.000And if you look at what all these people are going to have to do and say to get their nomination, they'll be so far outside of the mainstream of American political thought come 2028, they'll be unrecognizable.
00:28:49.000But if they want to give it back to Harris, be my guest, Andrew.
00:28:52.000Well, listen, Scott Jennings, you're a great man.
00:29:05.000I talked to Rich Barris, who is not always a bearer of white pills, and he said, The one upside we always have is the Democrats are seriously good at screwing things up.
00:31:55.000You know, Charlie would always say about Obama, it's like the weak spot about Obama is he wasn't willing to work that hard.
00:32:02.000Let me show you Virginia with Democrats in power.
00:32:06.000This is the Virginia that Democrats have created, SOC 20.
00:32:10.000The adult 18 year old illegal immigrant found guilty of sexually assaulting several high school girls in Virginia has just been sentenced to 100 days behind bars.
00:32:20.000And one correction there, he's actually 19 years old.
00:32:22.000We know he was 19 years old attending that school as an adult.
00:32:26.000However, with time served in the calculations for a misdemeanor crime, he has 135 days left in prison, about four and a half months.
00:32:36.000Well, and he better be deported immediately after that.
00:33:08.000Is exactly the vision of what America should be according to the Democrats.
00:33:12.000If you want a vision of the future, just picture an illegal migrant asylum seeker groping your 14 year old daughter forever, to paraphrase George Orwell.
00:33:40.000So, if you want a country that your kids can inhabit that will be safe for the future, vote.
00:33:47.000It's one of the most frustrating things that there's a lot of people in the base where, let's just be frank, they only feel motivated to vote when Trump is personally on the ballot.
00:33:57.000And a lot of, I know that's not ever, I know it's not many of the people listening to this program, but those people exist.
00:34:03.000And you're not going to save your country that way.
00:34:06.000You have to, I would always tell this to Charlie, you have to care as much about.
00:34:10.000Salvaging this country as the left cares about ruining it.
00:34:18.000They unfriend people over their politics endlessly.
00:34:22.000They disown family members over politics.
00:34:25.000They, instead of going to church on Sunday, they go to their climate march or their anti this or that march or their gay marriage march, their trans rights march.
00:34:44.000But we have to respond to that by actually caring and getting out and doing the work.
00:34:48.000Yeah, this is their proposed wording, or this is the wording on the proposed constitutional amendment.
00:34:53.000Should the Constitution of Virginia be amended to allow the General Assembly to temporarily adopt new congressional districts to restore fairness?
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00:39:01.000So if you're looking for someone to replace Lady Graham, Mr. Lynch is the option.
00:39:06.000Yeah, well, and so I think he's, okay, it looks like we're just getting him.
00:39:10.000Sorted here because he's on the road traveling, campaigning as he should be, and his connection has been a little bit spotty, but it looks like we're getting close to having him on.
00:39:20.000But again, Blake, you've been looking at the polling recently, so why don't you get that ready because it is within striking distance.
00:39:26.000So obviously, Lady Graham has the endorsement of the president.
00:39:33.000But every so often, you have to make a principled stand and you have to say, listen, we think what's better for the country is replacing a neocon warmonger who Is more excited about sending boys and boys, American men and women off to foreign lands to go die in foreign wars than taking care of the home base.
00:39:51.000And that's why this is such an important race for us to focus on.
00:40:13.000Just 10 days ago or so, as y'all were saying, Paul decided to drop out and he endorsed me.
00:40:20.000And what an awesome thing, humble, just a great patriot, because he said publicly to everybody in our forum that night at USC that his main focus was to take Lindsey Graham out.
00:40:33.000And I had the ability to do that and the funding.
00:40:36.000And so what a great patriot to join forces.
00:40:41.000And not have internal fighting anymore and get another candidate out.
00:40:46.000So we were basically going head to head now against Lindsey.
00:40:49.000And so all his supports coming our way.
00:40:53.000And before that, the polling had already changed.
00:40:56.000We were in second place and Lindsey was down to 41%.
00:41:01.000And so with Paul's support now and all of his fans coming over to us, it's going to be an awesome race.
00:41:09.000And we're going to give America a great, Anniversary present on his 250th birthday with the removal of a traitor in Congress.
00:41:17.000Wow, that's, I mean, that's strong words there about Lindsey Graham that he's a traitor.
00:41:23.000Now, I'm just going to play some of the clips of Lindsey Graham in his own words, and I'll have you respond to them, sir.
00:42:39.000I'm glad he communicated with South Carolinians again, but that's not going to happen.
00:42:45.000Our sons and daughters aren't going over there to support another endless war as a bankrupt country that we are.
00:42:54.000You know, everybody's concerned instead of trying to start World War III like Lindsay's doing and whispering Netanyahu's ear and trying to get him to give him talking points to get Trump convinced.
00:43:06.000You know, we've got, we have concerns in America and in South Carolina with the terrorist sales all over the country that he allowed.
00:43:14.000Lindsay allowed to walk in here and grant them all amnesty.
00:43:22.000We've got to take care of America first, not America last.
00:43:27.000We're not here to support Lindsay's pocketbook anymore with the military industrial complex feeding him millions of dollars of our taxpayers' money.
00:43:37.000We're not getting what we're paying for, and South Carolina and America is tired of the betrayal, and we're removing Lindsay this cycle, June 9th.
00:44:01.000Trump endorsed Lindsey probably about a year ago now.
00:44:05.000And they remember his Truth Social post in 24, where Trump admitted in print online to the world hey, it's my fault that Lindsey is in office because I endorsed him and he endorsed him again.
00:44:20.000Everybody believes Trump needed him and is just using him in a lean Senate majority to get some of his bills across the finish line because Lindsey will pull a couple of other Republican senators with him in their voting decisions.
00:44:35.000And Trump knows that and he knows politics is a dirty game.
00:44:39.000You know, if you break the word politics down, poly means many and ticks are blood sucking parasites.
00:45:27.000And we're tired of paying, you know, in the fourth quarter of 25 and the first quarter of 26, in the budget bill, he funded another $5.7 billion in each budget bill to support illegal aliens and provide shelter and health care.
00:46:32.000But I feel like if you have been in South Carolina this long and you don't know how you feel about Lindsey, they're probably looking for some kind of alternative.
00:46:40.000And so we just need you to get hold him below 50% in the first round, and then you could conceivably win a runoff.
00:46:48.000Mr. Lynch, I'm going to read some names to you, and you can tell me what these mean.
00:46:53.000Kagan, Sotomayor, Merrick Garland, James Comey, Loretta Lynch, and Robert Mueller.
00:47:04.000What do all those names mean to you, sir?
00:47:26.000And I'm going to ask all Republicans out there if you say you're a Republican, then you cannot vote for somebody that is cited and his voting record, lifetime voting record, everything he's doing is to destroy America and support the Communist Party of the Democrats.
00:47:45.000I'm representing you, and we're a God first campaign, and we've got to get our country back to God first, to America first principles that our country was founded on.
00:48:40.000We've got a lot of problems we've got to fix.
00:48:42.000We love what Charlie Kirk started and stood for in Turning Point and what y'all are carrying on being all about Jesus Christ and not being ashamed of that and bringing out the message and the truth that our church and state has never been separated.
00:49:01.000Our founding fathers knew that you had to love Jesus to run for office.
00:49:05.000I love the book Pastor Matthew Truella put out.
00:49:09.000I recommend it to everybody about the doctrines of the lesser magistrates.
00:49:14.000And it just talks about the main point in the book is that when our laws don't match God's laws any further, we've got to resist to whatever level it takes to stop evil.
00:49:24.000And so I love the education that's happening.
00:49:32.000People that are in the know about everything that's going on in the country or on our college campuses because of what Turning Point started.
00:50:05.000The removal of Lindsey Graham will be one of the biggest doge events for the country because trillions of dollars of corrupt, evil money will come to an end.
00:50:28.000And so it's about bringing God back first in the country.
00:50:33.000Everybody keep praying, you know, but then we've got to go do the work like Charlie started, and we got to get involved, and we got to vote, and we got to be educated about who we vote with.
00:51:09.000And that's how we win this on our knees.
00:51:11.000But then we got to get out and knock doors and phone bank and do all the things it takes.
00:51:16.000So we're working on, The inflation, I know young people are very concerned about how they'll ever have their own home, how they can afford everything.
00:51:27.000We're seeing the gas prices going crazy.
00:51:30.000We're seeing all the H 1B visa immigrants coming in here and taking American citizens' jobs.
00:51:37.000I will fight to end all of that and stop the printing of money and letting the Federal Reserve exist.
00:51:44.000It's time to close them and get our money back based on gold and silver.
00:51:53.000At the deep level, from the top down, will help us get rid of this inflation and start busting up the monopolies that are buying and running and price fixing the homes, inflating the home prices with all this craziness in the economy that's going on.
00:52:59.000So much of the affordability crisis that we talk about right now is just it's the lords of easy money, as Steve Bannon calls it.
00:53:04.000It is the printing of endless, endless money that inflates the assets of the incumbent financial class at the expense of the working class and of young people that can no longer afford to get their foot in the door.
00:53:19.000It's absolute tragedy what we've done to debase our own currency and print away, fritter away our inheritance on foreign wars and foreign bombing campaigns, blowing the hell out of people we got no issue with, right?
00:53:32.000Now, I'm not even, listen, I give the president a lot of patience in Iran, a lot of my trust, but this has to stop.
00:53:41.000The people whispering in his ear to keep moving the goalposts, and now Lindsey's frothing at the mouth about Cuba, it's got to stop.
00:53:52.000And when people are tempted to get upset or discouraged about the state of the U.S. Senate, just imagine if we weren't giving away deep red states to guys like Lankford or guys like Lindsey Graham, and we could get a Mark Lynch in there that actually cares about this country.
00:54:11.000I want to put up two things here, just as we're running out of time with you, sir.
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00:56:09.000Welcoming now to the show is one of our own, Lucas Miles.
00:56:13.000He's the vice president of TPSA Faith and a great American, great patriot, great Christian man who's out there on the front lines every single day.
00:56:20.000We want to talk about so much with him, including the Make Heaven Crowded Tour, which is marching forward.
00:56:26.000Welcome, Lucas Miles, back to the show.
00:56:53.000Oh, and Allie Beth Stuckey is going to be there as well.
00:56:55.000So it's a solid lineup and might even have a visit from Special Advisor to the President, Mark Walker, over religious liberty and religious freedom.
00:58:15.000But, you know, to state the obvious, this is really an extension of what came out of the aftermath and the, I should say, the spiritual uprising on the other side of Charlie's Memorial.
00:58:26.000We originally had planned at TPSA Faith to do a single event, a large event in 2026 called the Believer Summit.
00:58:32.000And we had some historical, you know, framework for that.
00:58:37.000But what we quickly realized is that the movement across this country was too large to contain in just one event.
00:58:43.000And so we thought we'd have 4,000 people at one Believer Summit.
00:58:46.000We had 5,500 people just at our First, make heaven crowded stop in one city.
00:59:02.000It's kind of activating, it's engaging and helping to really just encourage people to push in more with their faith and their spirituality, get connected to a local church.
01:00:40.000British loyalists to smear the patriotic preachers of America.
01:00:46.000And so this is nothing new that when the opposition forces want to smear you and marginalize you and make you feel little, make you want to shut up, stop being so loud, they use pejoratives to paint you as a villain.
01:01:03.000But what ended up happening, interestingly, is the Black Road Regiment is something that we remember with pride and honor that it was our Christian faith as a wellspring that bubbled up to our.
01:01:16.000So I just think it's a beautiful heritage that we all have as Americans and as Christians.
01:01:22.000I want to ask you about a couple other things here, Lucas, because you are a pastor, you're a man of faith, you know your scripture.
01:01:28.000And there's two things I think that are worth discussing here and now.
01:01:32.000And I think people deserve some clarity.
01:01:34.000One is we've heard recently that Muslims actually revere Jesus and they love Jesus.
01:01:43.000What are your thoughts when you hear people saying that?
01:01:45.000Yeah, so I think there's two ways to look at this, right?
01:01:48.000So there is what the Quran teaches, and then there's what individual Muslims hold to.
01:01:53.000There are Muslims who are not necessarily Islamicists that have been deceived by the teachings of Islam, and they truly believe that they are revering Jesus.
01:02:06.000And to a degree, you could make a case that they view him as sinless, they view him as a prophet, they honor him in that way.
01:02:12.000But I would state that if we do not acknowledge Christ's divinity and his deity, then we're not truly revering him.
01:02:20.000In the way in which he deserves, right?
01:02:22.000So it could be a form of adoration, certainly.
01:02:25.000But if they're denying his divinity, then that's not what Jesus deserves.
01:02:34.000And so this is actually sort of a false sense of admiration for him as a prophet.
01:02:41.000Yeah, specifically, yeah, as you say, they can say he performed miracles, but why do we worship Jesus and not just say that he is similar to Moses or Elijah?
01:02:53.000Or anyone else, and it's specifically that he's the son of God that he died on the cross for your sins and then was raised from the dead.
01:03:00.000And they deny all of those things, is my understanding, right?
01:03:03.000So, if they would deny that Jesus was even crucified, right?
01:03:07.000And so, that is, and there's a little bit of a debate within Islam over that, but most Muslims would hold that Jesus was not even crucified.
01:03:14.000Um, and so, you know, of course, if they and they don't have an idea of blood sacrifice, so they don't believe that, uh, they think salvation is through submission plus good works.
01:03:24.000Rather than there is a chasm between God and man, and that because of sin, and it required a sacrifice in order to redeem us, that's a foreign concept to Islam.
01:03:34.000So we have to deconstruct the Quran and I think show the falsity of the book itself if I think we actually want to win Muslims over for this.
01:03:44.000But to just blanketly say that they're revering Christ the same way or better than Christians are without acknowledging his deity and without acknowledging either the crucifixion or the resurrection, pretty hard to make that claim.
01:03:55.000So I'm going to give you my take on it, and you tell me if I'm off base here.
01:03:59.000If the Muslims are revering and even loving a Jesus that is not the Jesus of scripture, namely the Son of God, then they are revering a counterfeit Jesus.
01:04:11.000It is not even Jesus that they are revering.
01:04:15.000They are revering a historical figure, perhaps, but they have bastardized his identity.
01:04:21.000So therefore, it's not even the real Jesus.
01:04:23.000Yeah, I would say there's absolute truth in that.
01:04:25.000I mean, you even see in the idea of Islam that when they talk about, you know, in kind of the final day that Jesus will come back as a servant to Allah.
01:04:33.000In carrying out part of the judgment against this earth.
01:04:38.000And so they see it's almost like a flip over of the book of Revelation, this bizarro world.
01:04:44.000And you could make a case that the way in which they see Jesus is very similar to what the Bible would teach about the Antichrist.
01:04:51.000And so this concept of this other Jesus, this false gospel, this framework, I think that we have to push on that.
01:05:01.000I mean, this is the nature of the Quran.
01:05:04.000What we know about Muhammad, there's some debate if he was even a real person.
01:05:07.000I give the benefit of the doubt that he was, but we know that he was illiterate if he was a real person.
01:05:13.000And so, at best, he sort of Frankensteined the scriptures and the ideas of Jesus.
01:05:18.000Most likely, he didn't even have the scriptures themselves when he was writing the Quran.
01:05:24.000He had probably some Christian Gnostic texts, and that's most of the stories you see from the Quran are actually that have anything to do with the New Testament are pulled out of Gnostic texts.
01:05:34.000It's almost sort of a complete plagiarization of those things.
01:05:37.000So This is a so called prophet that didn't actually have the scriptures, knew nothing really about the true historical Jesus, had heard certain things, framed them together and cut them together in the Quran, and you have this amalgamation of ideas.
01:05:52.000It is not the Jesus of the New Testament, it's not the Jesus of the scriptures.
01:05:56.000Yeah, I really encourage people, it's a worthy exercise.
01:05:59.000Go read the first lengthy section of the Quran.
01:06:03.000I'm forgetting the name, surah or whatever it is.
01:06:06.000It's called The Cow, and it is literally called The Cow.
01:06:09.000Just read it, and you'll raise an eyebrow because it is like reading.
01:06:12.000As you say, a plagiarism or like a fanfic almost of the Bible.
01:06:16.000It's all about, it jumps from Moses to different biblical figures.
01:06:20.000And it clearly would make no sense unless you'd sort of heard about these things.
01:06:24.000Lucas Miles, I want to talk about some of the recent kerfuffles with the Pope.
01:06:31.000I believe that there is a concerted effort to divide Protestants and Catholics, evangelicals specifically, and Catholics.
01:06:40.000And I haven't seen it like this in a while.
01:06:44.000You know, and I think some of these comments by the Pope are being used to drive that wedge.
01:06:49.000Some of the criticisms that I think are fair of the Pope's political statements are being used as, like, oh, you're disrespecting the Pope.
01:08:14.000I think that the Pope should be held to a higher standard, just in the same way that any pastor is.
01:08:21.000And I think that we have an expectation that his ideas and his commentaries are going to be based upon a biblical worldview, first and foremost.
01:08:28.000I don't mind that they're necessarily Catholic as long as that is framed within and not violating scripture.
01:08:34.000And I think what we've seen in some of the recent comments, I think it violates not only Catholic teaching, I think it also violates biblical teaching.
01:08:41.000Yeah, I guess I've just expressed over and over the Pope is going to say what the Pope says, but it's a little annoying to me if the Pope is coming out, for example, and just saying, as he has, that Lebanon is a model that we should look towards for how to organize society, both because I don't see anything specifically biblical in that point of view, and also Lebanon is terrible.
01:09:13.000It's not, you know, it's notably not a democracy in any serious way because you have all these special rules where different offices need to be held by different religions.
01:09:21.000Otherwise, the civil war reignites again.
01:09:23.000You're literally not allowed to speak with an Israeli because that's also caused drama there.
01:09:30.000And okay, the Pope can have opinions like anyone else, but he does have to be careful when he says things because he's in an office that's 2,000 years old and has a lot of moral weight to it.
01:09:41.000And if he's going to say, for example, peace is good, go for it.
01:09:44.000If he's going to say, and he'll say things that, I agree with a lot.
01:09:51.000But he has to be careful when he's saying things that are just purely, basically, a political point of view and they're not rooted in a view the church has had for thousands of years or something that's clear cut in the Bible.
01:10:05.000Yeah, I think that we saw this on the Iran situation.
01:10:08.000We saw, I mean, kind of a total violation even of Catholic ideas.
01:10:12.000Just war theory is Augustine and Thomas Aquinas.
01:10:16.000And so there seemed to be no acknowledgement of any validity there when you're pushing this idea that.
01:10:21.000You know, that anything other than peace is not a Christian option or an idea.
01:10:25.000Part of just war theory is that war has to be a last resort.
01:10:29.000And when you see negotiations, and look, we can talk about individual war and whether or not it fits into just war theory, but just keeping that on the table as Christians thinking about this, that we have ways in which we've dealt with this theologically to sort through conflicts, to sort through the just sort of the art of nation building and what that looks like, and how do we navigate that from a Christian standpoint.
01:11:05.000Yeah, I mean, listen, here's the thing.
01:11:06.000My heart is for an ecumenical stance within Christians, both Catholic and Protestant within the United States, that we stay united in at least our politics.
01:11:27.000That my differences with Catholics about issues of theology outweigh my issues with Islam, for example.
01:11:36.000So I will take partnership with the Catholics eight days out of the week over the alternative.
01:11:43.000So, yes, there are theological differences, but we need to stick together and we need to stay united, especially politically.
01:11:50.000When we think about the pro life cause, when we think about the direction of our country or school boards or transing our kids, there is so much more that brings us together than what separates us.
01:12:00.000And I know that Charlie felt the same.
01:12:12.000And Father Chuck from my high school was still in touch.
01:12:16.000So, anyways, my hope and my prayer for the American church is that we remain united against common, more existential forces that we need to defeat.
01:12:26.000Lucas, one more time Prestonwood, give us the deets.
01:12:30.000Prestonwood Baptist, it is our next Make Heaven Crowded Tour Stop.