There is something evil and pernicious happening in Brazil, and it requires a lot of attention. Our media is largely ignoring it. One of the biggest countries on the planet is turning into a totalitarian, unrecognizable nation. Joining us today is Paulo Figueiredo, who is a censored Brazilian journalist and host of the Paulo Figuiiredo Show. He talks about how Brazil is no longer a free country. It s really sad and it is a lesson for all of us. Today's guest: Todd Bensman joins us to talk about the invasion on our southern border, Todd's recent visit to the Darien Gap, and how the Supreme Court of Brazil is trying to make us pay the price for our freedom of speech and freedom of the press in Brazil. You are not going to get more information about what is going on in Brazil than this on The Charlie Kirk Show. Subscribe today using our podcast s promo code: "UPJUDGE" to receive 20% off your first month with discount code "UPPURCHILLER" at checkout. You can get involved with Turning Point USA at TPUSA.org/TPUSA and join the TPUSA Chapter today! Start a high school or college chapter today atTPUSA. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investments, a company that specializes in gold and precious metals. That's where I buy all of my gold! Go to noblegoldinvestments.com/thecharliekirk. Charlie Kirk is the official gold sponsor of the show. Click here to learn more about Noble Gold.co/theCharlieKirk Charlie's Gold? Learn more about the Noble Gold Investments? . at noblegold.investments by becoming a supporter of the Charlie Kirk show here. at Charlie Kirk's show here on the show Charlie Kirk and get 20% discount code: CHILLING! at CHALKERRYKIRK to receive 10% off of his next month's purchase of a piece of gold and a year's worth of gold at $10,000 or $50 or more! at CHALLENGING at CHLARIEKREMLYK? CHILLYKREVIEW HERE. CHECK OUT THE CHALLENGE HERE. CHALKING WITH CHILLIEK'S TALKING ABOUT THIS PODCAST AND MORE! CHILL FREE HERE.
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00:02:03.000Paulo, for our American audience that is not tracking what is happening in Brazil, walk us through the sequence of events that's occurred recently.
00:02:12.000You have been sounding the alarm, and Elon Musk has been sounding the alarm.
00:02:17.000For months about freedom of speech problems in Brazil, the censorship orders coming from the justice Alexandre de Moraes, that bald guy that looks like Baltimore or James Bond villain, who's effectively Brazil's de facto dictator.
00:02:32.000And in the last month, let's say, Moraes issued censorship orders to all social media platforms The targets included public figures, journalists like myself, senators, or even a journalist's daughter, a 16-year-old journalist's daughter, and also an imprisoned congressman's wife.
00:02:57.000Elon Musk was the only one that decided to not comply with the orders.
00:03:01.000Facebook, Meta, or Instagram, and YouTube, they all follow the orders.
00:03:08.000They decided to not comply with, Elon Musk decided not to comply with them.
00:03:13.000And then the Justice issued multimillion dollar fines, currently ranging from three to four million dollars, but they're increasing daily.
00:03:25.000And about a week ago, Rice threatened ex-executives as individuals and started threatening them.
00:03:34.000Threats included freezing the individuals' executives' personal assets, holding them personally liable for the fines.
00:03:42.000And even threatened to arrest them for not complying with the orders.
00:03:48.000And then Musk decided to close Axe office in Brazil, which was the fifth largest market for Axe in the world.
00:03:56.000Roughly 25 million people use Axe in Brazil and all the financial markets, all the mainstream media, politicians, and all you know the drill.
00:04:05.000So the court decided to, since they The Supreme Court issued a tweet or a post, whatever you want to call it, with an order to Elon Musk saying that they needed to name a new representative in Brazil or they would shut down X completely in Brazil.
00:04:29.000Now, I have to say that normally the legal instrument for judicial cooperation between Brazil and the US when Brazilian It's complicated.
00:04:49.000It's what the international law dictates.
00:04:51.000But they decided to just post an order on tweet, on AXE.
00:04:56.000And so they threatened to shut down AXE completely.
00:05:00.000The country demanded compliance with the decisions and appointments of new representatives in Brazil and all that.
00:05:08.000And immediately, Alstom Rice blocked Starlink's bank accounts, froze all their assets in Brazil, claiming that it's part of Elon Musk's economic group.
00:05:19.000So they froze all their assets to pay Axe Fines, Starlink's assets.
00:05:24.000And it was a problem because this caused people to be afraid of Starlink being shut down in Brazil.
00:05:29.000Many remote parts of Brazil depend on Starlink, including various services from the armed forces in Brazil.
00:05:36.000So right now, Axe is completely blocked in Brazil since last week.
00:05:41.000The only way to access Axe in Brazil is through a VPN or Starlink, which Starlink announced it would not comply with Mirai's decisions.
00:05:51.000But on top of all that, Mirai also imposes a $10,000 daily fee for any individual using a VPN to access Axe.
00:06:02.000But of course, we're Brazilians, we're resourceful.
00:06:05.000Many people continue using X in Brazil via VPN.
00:06:10.000They claim to be a friend posting on their behalf from outside of Brazil.
00:06:15.000Even the mainstream media outlets are saying that the posts are now being made by international correspondents.
00:06:22.000And that's, I think it's a summary of what happened the past month.
00:06:55.000So, freedom of speech is protected by Article 5 of the Brazilian Constitution.
00:06:59.000It is also protected by international treaties that Brazil signed, including the San Jose of Costa Rica Pact, which comprehends most countries in America.
00:07:11.000And also, it's part of the International Declaration of Human Rights of the United Nations.
00:07:19.000So, free speech is Bluntly protected by all types of laws, but the laws only matter if people decide to follow it, right?
00:07:28.000If the judges decide that they can open an exception to the law, then it's the same thing with the U.S.
00:07:35.000You have the First Amendment, it's beautiful, but if a court decides, well, we're going to suspend the First Amendment, there's no antidote for that, and we have this problem going.
00:09:00.000Oh yeah, the State Department actually supported Morales to get to this point.
00:09:05.000All the framework that Morales used to combat misinformation, which is the powers that he's claiming to do all that, came from the United States, came from the State Department, came from actually the FBI and United States NGOs like the Atlantic Council and of course the Open Society.
00:09:25.000So everything was imported from the United States.
00:09:27.000The State Department came to the point Then on the 2022 elections in Brazil, they said, well, Jake Sullivan went to Brazil to make sure Morais was not challenged.
00:09:38.000The head of CIA went to Brazil to make sure Morais was not challenged.
00:09:42.000Even the Secretary of Defense, they all went to Brazil on the same year to make sure no one would challenge Morais.
00:09:49.000So that's how it became all that powerful.
00:09:51.000Some people ask, oh, how did that guy became all that powerful?
00:09:54.000Well, it was the United States, Joe Biden's administration that made him that powerful.
00:12:20.000Yeah, but there are many cases of journalists from Brazil, even a judge, that fled Brazil and is looking for asylum here and filed claims for asylum.
00:13:29.000Yeah, it's pretty much endorsing the regime that's in power in Brazil.
00:13:35.000There have been some conversations in Congress about passing a bill regarding Brazil, similar to what exists about Venezuela, Russia, Belarus, and other countries as well, but so far the Congress hasn't done much.
00:13:53.000We have a couple of congressmen that actually talked about it Congressman Chris Smith from New Jersey, Maria Salazar here from Florida, Senator Rick Scott, but not that many.
00:14:05.000I think Congress is in recess right now, but Elon Musk is calling for retribution, right?
00:14:09.000And I think one key aspect that's not being explored is how a US company is having their assets
00:14:19.000taken away from a Brazilian, from a South American dictatorship.
00:14:24.000Again, that same thing happened in Venezuela in the past and in Cuba, of course, and it's now in a way,
00:14:29.000in a different way happening in Brazil as well.
00:14:32.000And I believe it's the job of the US government to protect American interests worldwide, right?
00:14:38.000Well I would, I mean, yes, if you have that belief I- I have a more nuanced belief, which is that the primary concern of a government is to first take care of its citizens, and then you can start exporting stuff.
00:14:59.000We've got 320,000 kids just missing that might have been sold into sex slavery.
00:15:03.000So if, if, if, Your most important thing is about the exporting of American values, which the American Foreign Policy Project says that it is.
00:15:12.000We have hundreds of well-funded think tanks in Washington, D.C.
00:15:15.000All they do all day long is write white papers that no one reads about how American values are the best ever.
00:15:20.000When it actually matters, and an ally of ours in the Southern Hemisphere, Brazil, flips, we just seem indifferent.
00:15:26.000Can you walk our audience through the Brazilian story in recent years, from Bolsonaro to Lula to the Chinese communist influence.
00:15:36.000How has Brazil fallen so quickly and so sharply?
00:15:39.000Because it looked as if it was on the upswing for a little bit.
00:15:41.000Well, Brazil has been under the hands of the left for almost three decades, and then we elected President Bolsonaro, who was very conservative in every sense.
00:15:52.000Bolsonaro stayed in power for four years, and then we had elections in 2022, and he lost.
00:15:58.000Well, he actually The election was stolen in Brazil with support of the CIA and the American Department of State.
00:16:11.000And, well, then he brought Lula back to power, and now Lula is the president of Brazil.
00:16:16.000But Lula doesn't have nearly as much power as Moraes does.
00:16:21.000Lula is very much a socialist, he's a communist, and he supports Moraes, but Moraes is the
00:16:27.000one in charge, Moraes is the one giving all these censorship orders.
00:16:31.000What Brazil is suffering is part of a process called jurisdicracy.
00:16:35.000Many countries in the world are suffering that, where the judiciary is taking over some
00:16:41.000roles that used to be part of the executive and legislative branch.
00:16:46.000So instead of having a democracy, a government from the people, of the people, you're having a juristocracy, a government of the judiciary branch.
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00:18:33.000I'm in the village of Baja Chiquito, which is an Embrera village on a fairly major river.
00:18:43.000That is used by the immigrants to go downstream and get off at another camp and be processed onto buses that then go on into Costa Rica.
00:18:58.000It took about two hours or so to get upriver to this place, to this Indian village.
00:19:05.000And what we found along the way was that at least 23 boats Filled with immigrants past us on the way down, on our way up and their way down.
00:19:18.000So Todd, walk our audience through your recent visit to the Darien Gap.
00:19:21.000Remind them where the Darien Gap is and the significance of it.
00:21:43.000The Panamanians have, and the Costa Ricans have in place something, a policy called controlled flow.
00:21:51.000So the Panamanians collect them off of the gap, send them down these rivers, process them in, Yeah, that's what I think.
00:22:06.000I don't think you should be given citizenship or allowed in the country, but if you walk 2,500 miles, I have a little more respect for you, but I guess they get rides, they get trains.
00:22:14.000I'm sure some people walk, but I mean, that is a journey.
00:22:17.000That's across the continuous United States.
00:22:37.000Right now, the Mexicans are in the midst of a major Biden-arranged crackdown to improve Election optics at our border.
00:22:50.000You know, you don't see much Fox News drone footage anymore of thousands of people crossing because they cut a deal with the Mexicans to hold them back in their southern provinces.
00:23:01.000So the people that are coming through Darien are going to have to get through that first.
00:23:07.000And then as of November 5th, I expect that the floodgates will be unleashed, lifted, and you know, all of those hundreds of thousands of people down there will pour through.
00:23:20.000But until the November 5th election right now, I think that, you know, we're not going to see them coming through very quickly.
00:23:28.000But the Panamanians afterwards, The Panamanians have done something really, they brought us this silver platter olive branch saying we will shut this thing down.
00:23:42.000All you have to do is give us some money for repatriation flights.
00:23:46.000The money's not coming so far and neither is the diplomatic muscle that they need to make other Latin American countries work with the Panamanians to shut that gap down.
00:24:00.000That gap has always been a problem because 170 nationalities come through there from all over Africa, every Muslim-majority country in the world.
00:24:11.000That's where they're coming through first.
00:24:13.000They land in Latin America and pass through there, and it's a perfect geographic chokehold point.
00:24:19.000And you've got a government there willing to do it, and the U.S.
00:24:24.000I find that interesting and has to be reported.
00:24:29.000The American people need to know that.
00:24:31.000A Harris government, I believe, would demur and say, yeah, we really don't want to help you out.
00:24:40.000A Trump administration, I think, would flood the zone with cash and diplomats to make sure it happened.
00:24:47.000So let me ask you one more question, then I want to get to the SAVE Act.
00:24:50.000Kamala Harris, a week from tonight, will be debating Donald Trump in Philadelphia, and she will assuredly say that border crossings are low.
00:25:34.000They just needed this deal with Mexico.
00:25:37.000All along, they could have done this at any point.
00:25:40.000Trump had a similar thing in place that was working great.
00:25:44.000And the first thing the Biden administration did was relieve the Mexicans of that obligation, and of course we saw what happened after that.
00:25:52.000But you mean they just gave the Mexicans cash, essentially, correct?
00:25:58.000Well, it's a secret still as to what the Biden administration did.
00:26:04.000Why are House Republicans not subpoenaing and trying to get answers of, hey, are we forking over tens of billions of dollars of cash for the Mexican government?
00:26:13.000I mean, that would be probably an important thing to find out.
00:26:57.000And so one other thing, Todd, just in the interest of time before we hit the SAVE Act, the CBP One app, are they coming in via other means?
00:27:04.000Are they getting depoted hundreds of miles away from the border and then getting flown into the interior of the United States?
00:27:12.000That is the great unseen mass migration where it's continuing.
00:27:17.000They've brought in a million two by direct flights from all over the world.
00:27:23.000And By bringing them on the CBP One app, the scheduling, uh, you know, uh, phone app, uh, over the land bridges, uh, from a hundred different nationalities, uh, over the land of 500, 600,000, they brought in and you can't see it.
00:27:41.000You can't see it when they're flying and you can't see it.
00:27:44.000And they call this a great success because they didn't cross illegally between ports of entry, but Ask Chicago, New York, Denver, Boston and all the rest of those big cities if they care how they came in or if anybody saw them.
00:27:59.000They're still showing up in huge numbers with their hands out in those cities.
00:28:07.000And if Trump, if President Trump can effectively in the debate tell this story saying the current Harris administration is flying people into the interior of the United States, That's a remarkable story to be told.
00:28:23.000People can't even grasp it that they just bypass the border now and they get a 747 into Madison, Wisconsin.
00:28:34.000I mean, that's exactly where they walk in.
00:28:37.000Over the bridges and we stamp them right in and I would like to see the candidate Trump, the nominee, talk about things like this other than just that, you know, they're emptying their insane asylums and because these are the things that people really care about.
00:28:53.000They're showing up in their cities, driving those cities to the brink of bankruptcy to this day by the tens of thousands a month still.
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00:30:20.000Well, obviously, there's a concern across the country, especially in Republican circles that, you know, illegal immigrants are going to vote widely enough in a close election that they could swing it.
00:30:35.000And what this would do is right currently, you know, federal law Prevents states from requiring proof of citizenship.
00:30:46.000So this piece of legislation would then allow states to require that proof of citizenship before people could vote.
00:30:53.000So You know, clearly this is a voter integrity measure.
00:31:11.000But of course, the Democrats are opposed to it.
00:31:15.000You know, I don't think it's I'm skeptical that it's going to really go anywhere.
00:31:20.000But it's a piece of legislation would also prevent, you know, inevitable litigation to gum things up if people now one thing you have to remember, though, is that This is kind of an issue because in a lot of states, when you are an illegal immigrant and you get a driver's license, a lot of states allow illegally present immigrants to apply for a driver's license.
00:31:45.000There's a box that you can check that you would simultaneously like to register to vote.
00:31:52.000And so the belief is that, you know, tens of thousands, maybe even hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants that have come in on this border crisis, check that box and that they're eligible to vote and there's nobody to stop it.
00:32:08.000So, the greater concern, just more globally, is how many foreigners are actually here in the interior of the United States.
00:32:16.000How many illegals are there, would you guesstimate, and how many have come across the border since January of 2021?
00:32:23.000Well, the center, we think that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of between, we're conservative on that, between 8 million and 10 million.
00:32:34.000And probably more and that would include the, the gotaways, the people that were never registered or nobody ever laid hands on them.
00:32:42.000They just slipped on through and into the interior.
00:32:45.000We think that there are probably, well, we know that there are at least 2 million of those, but we think there are probably a lot more.
00:32:52.000So the numbers are variable, but yeah, I'll figure about 10 million got in.
00:32:59.000So 10 million new people that have come into the United States, they're here illegally, 10 million people, and they're spread all across the country, they're not just regional.
00:33:13.000To give everyone, to put that into perspective, that is the population of Michigan, that is the population of North Carolina, that is more than the population of New Jersey, Virginia, Washington, Arizona, Tennessee.
00:33:26.000That's more than a population of 40 states, Todd.
00:33:29.000I mean, we were having, you know, four full Super Bowl stadiums a month come in for years.
00:33:35.000So, you know, I mean, those of us who were down there watching this were just, you know, we understood that there was nothing of this magnitude in the record books anywhere.
00:33:47.000No country on earth has had something like this happen on purpose.
00:33:53.000So yeah, there's that many people here and a lot of those, remember the people that come in over the border and then we usher them right in, we catch and release the vast majority of them.
00:34:05.000They'll gravitate to blue states, but also plenty of red states, but wherever they can get the most stuff, where the places that want to hand out driver's licenses, for example, where they can check those voter registration boxes, they're heavy in those places where you can check those voter registration boxes on the driver's license.