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00:02:51.000We do live events with active QA from the voters of our great state because we want people to be able not just to ask their question, but to actually get a real policy response about how we're going to have the best state in America continue to be the best state in America while we drive down costs for young people and for seniors on fixed income in our state.
00:03:13.000Well, listen, I think it's a really important thing you just said that you are going straight to the voters.
00:03:22.000Because we had a phone call from somebody in your state on Friday, and she wanted to know how she could get more involved, get her friends to come out and vote for you.
00:03:32.000And I think it just perplexed a lot of our audience.
00:03:34.000We're going, wait, Florida, the best run state in the country, is there a real chance that they could go the other way?
00:03:41.000Like, why would Florida go any other direction other than the direction it's already going in?
00:03:46.000And so I started diving into it over the weekend, Byron, and I found out that your opponent, David Jolly, what a name, by the way.
00:04:47.000Two, it just demonstrates she's scared to get on stage and talk about the real ideas that are going to continue to make Florida the best state in America.
00:04:55.000David Jolly is somebody that when Ron DeSantis kept Florida open, David Jolly packed his bags and went to Pennsylvania.
00:05:02.000He said that Dr. Fauci had better judgment.
00:05:07.000Obviously, we know that was a complete and flat, flat out lie.
00:05:10.000David Jolly has also talked about his insurance plan, which is a government takeover of all wind insurance in the state of Florida.
00:05:18.000There was an independent analysis of a plan like that done by Florida State University, and Florida State was very clear in their analysis.
00:05:26.000A government takeover of wind insurance would actually raise premiums double digits in some areas more than 100% on Floridians.
00:05:35.000And on top of the premium rate increases, There would be a hurricane tax of about $1,000 per family in Florida, regardless if they got hit by the hurricane or not.
00:05:46.000And so, on a debate stage, there would be no ability for him to walk this stuff back.
00:05:50.000And so, I think that's why he's running from these debates.
00:05:53.000His policies and his ideas are not in step with what Floridians are looking for.
00:05:58.000They want common sense, conservative policy that has made us the best state in America.
00:06:02.000And David Jolly is really just a Trojan horse for the radical left Democrats and the Democrat Socialists of America.
00:07:46.000Number three, he wants to take tax money from local governments through tourist development taxes, money that's supposed to go for promoting Florida with respect to tourism in our state.
00:07:55.000He wants to take that to fund his plan.
00:07:58.000And Andrew, look, he can use all that revenue and it would still take him 10 years to create the fund that he needs.
00:08:05.000So, when the next hurricane comes, what's going to happen is that the people of Florida will be left holding the back.
00:08:10.000That's a single mom in Orlando trying to make ends meet and she has car insurance, she would be assessed $1,000.
00:08:17.000A family of five in Miami Dade County that didn't even get hit by a hurricane, they would be hit by it with $1,000 assessments.
00:08:24.000A family of four in Jacksonville, they're nowhere close to the hurricane.
00:08:29.000They would be hit with a thousand dollar assessment because of what David Jolly wants to do.
00:08:37.000My plan is just bringing down the bill.
00:08:40.000We can bring down premiums 20% in the state of Florida with some common sense reforms to our regulatory system, keeping the tort reform that Governor DeSantis put into place, restructuring our home hardening programs to be focused on older homes that need to be more secure.
00:08:56.000And then the last piece is when a storm comes, You get your permits automatically.
00:09:01.000You don't have to wait for local government or FEMA to give you the permit.
00:10:27.000By the way, speaking of California, you know, they have something similar, right?
00:10:31.000With all these fires and the fire insurance.
00:10:33.000And so, in order to get fire insurance in California, It's very difficult.
00:10:37.000So, the state has created this, you know, state plan.
00:10:40.000And if you live in one of these houses where you need to get the state plan, I mean, it is exorbitantly expensive to get this.
00:10:46.000But it's the only way to get insurance because all the insurers have fled the state.
00:10:50.000So, how do you make sure that insurance?
00:10:52.000Because this is a huge issue in Florida.
00:10:53.000People, like outsiders, are not necessarily, they're not as attuned to this issue.
00:10:59.000But in Florida, because of the hurricanes, I mean, this is a really big topic.
00:11:02.000How do you ensure that you actually keep the competition high?
00:11:05.000Because I was looking through the Your policy and one of the key pillars of it, and Governor DeSantis is keeping competition high because we all know that gives better services and it helps drive down costs.
00:11:16.000Well, the first part of that is that you have to be able to make sure that premiums are competitive.
00:11:22.000What happened in California, you brought it up, is they went to rate caps in California.
00:11:28.000And so, in order to drive affordability, they said, Well, let's just cap the rate artificially.
00:11:33.000Well, what happened was the insurance company said, Yeah, we're just not going to write the insurance, and they left.
00:11:37.000So then they went to that state fund, and the state fund is way more expensive, completely unacceptable, and the coverage sucks and it doesn't work.
00:11:44.000And now they're realizing the era of that waste after the last set of wildfires in the Palisades.
00:11:49.000So, how you do that is you keep our regulatory system as a common sense one.
00:11:54.000You do hold insurance companies accountable.
00:11:58.000If they're going to take the premiums when times are good, they have a responsibility to be there when the times are bad.
00:12:03.000And so that's the way you hold them accountable to make sure that they continue working through the claims process and being responsive to the policyholders, the customers that they have.
00:12:13.000But it's about regulation at its core.
00:12:16.000You can't have a crazy regulatory system or government takeover because you're never going to have more carriers come in.
00:12:50.000So we want to shrink those two years down while still providing a property that is structurally sound to protect against hurricanes and other elements.
00:12:58.000But also, that lowers the cost of construction.
00:13:01.000If you can get the cost of construction down while also having common sense regulations that protect consumers but drive down premiums, that's how you can afford insurance in our state.
00:13:11.000Governor DeSantis already started this with the tort reform.
00:13:14.000He talked about that in the last segment.
00:13:16.000We want to build upon that with regulatory reforms and changes to continue to drive down premiums.
00:13:21.000You know, that's the whole like craziest part about this race, Congressman, is that you have the most successful state in the country.
00:13:29.000And in some sense, You're almost a victim of your own success because so many people moved to Florida, right?
00:13:35.000So now you have a housing shortage because of the success, right?
00:13:39.000I guess the Democrat answer is like, let's give in to malaise and big government and create these like funds, and you know, it's going to cost all this money just like California, and then it will be terrible again if people move out and relieve the housing problem.
00:14:33.000So, what we tell people all the time is Florida is not an accident.
00:14:36.000We have had common sense conservative leadership.
00:14:38.000Like Governor DeSantis, who has made us the state that we are.
00:14:42.000The question for the voters of Florida is do you want the same common sense, conservative leadership that has made us better than the other 49 states?
00:14:50.000Because I know that our people do not want New York.
00:15:19.000If you're a parent, it's the biggest deal there is.
00:15:22.000And there's this whole Nicole Hannah Jones op ed that we're going to get into later in the show, which is basically an example of why the public school system is failing.
00:15:35.000He wants to double down on a failing system.
00:15:39.000But every single example of his is just big government.
00:15:43.000Ideas from failed blue malaise states, and he wants to bring it back.
00:15:48.000You would think that the people of Florida would have enough common sense because they all fled those states not to give in to the siren song of big government.
00:15:56.000That's all of his solutions, big government.
00:17:06.000Here's the thing you look for people and their character and their good choices and their wisdom and their prudence.
00:17:13.000And this guy just, time and time again, he's going back to failed policies, failed prescriptions for problems that Florida fixed a long time ago.
00:17:21.000So we're begging you, Florida, get behind our friend, one of the last candidates that.
00:17:27.000Charlie endorsed, and that is Byron Donalds for governor of the great state of Florida.
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00:19:41.000The TP Pack is doing a lot of ads all over the place.
00:19:44.000We're going to tell you some updates there.
00:19:46.000But then in the midst of this, Tyler Boyer, you sent me this note.
00:19:51.000And you've tweeted about it, of course, too.
00:19:54.000But it looks like CARE, which is the Muslim group, we'll just sum it up like that, they are working to turn out Democrats and they are working to turn out 3 million Muslims.
00:20:08.0003 million with an M, million Muslims for this midterm cycle and then into 2028.
00:20:54.000It ties to the Muslim Brotherhood, allegedly.
00:20:56.000About 15 years ago, especially during the Obama reign, CARE got a ton of funding.
00:21:04.000This is where we started to see on campus, on college campuses, all these different groups that were like pro jihadi groups, really anti Semitic groups, really anti American groups that were showing up on campus across America.
00:21:17.000And this was all funded essentially by CARE.
00:21:53.000So imagine what 3 million votes in Michigan, Texas, Arizona, Nevada, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Pennsylvania, what that could do to the future of America.
00:22:06.000And this is exactly what they're funding with probably close to a billion dollars or more that is just set aside just to influence American elections through care.
00:22:15.000Yeah, if you think about 2016, 2016 was basically flipped.
00:22:19.000President Trump became president because of about 40,000 votes.
00:23:10.000And now they're saying we're starting to get significant enough numbers in this country that we can turn out 3 million voters and we can turn full elections.
00:23:21.000So now we let this problem in and we've let the third world in and we've let Muslims in and now they can vote.
00:23:28.000So that kind of brings up a second point, Tyler.
00:23:30.000What is so critically important is that these other immigrant constituencies, these newcomers to the country, some of them are more reachable, namely Hispanics.
00:23:40.000So, what is Turning Point doing, Turning Point Action, Turning Point Pact doing to reach Hispanics?
00:23:45.000Yeah, I mean, look, this is the future of the country.
00:23:48.000So, if nothing is that, if President Trump doesn't get elected in 2024, we have a porous border.
00:23:54.000Obviously, we have Kamala going pedal to the metal, letting in illegals across the country.
00:24:00.000We actually have the battle of America right now American citizens that are of Hispanic descent actually siding with President Trump and saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
00:24:11.000We shouldn't just open up the borders and let anyone into this country.
00:24:14.000That's not what I came here for if they're a first or second generation American.
00:24:20.000That's not what my family came here for.
00:24:23.000We did it the right way and we built a business.
00:24:25.000And like my business shouldn't be around because the first people that are impacted by illegal immigration are those in the same communities, Hispanic communities in general, and minority communities in general.
00:24:39.000Those are the most impacted right away.
00:24:47.000And so you have ahead of the 2032 election and really the 2030 census where all of this matters.
00:24:58.000The 2028 election will determine who becomes president and then lets in basically millions more Islamists and millions more illegal immigrants that will impact.
00:25:09.000So the fight right now that exists is that we have to instill American values very quickly.
00:25:17.000With those that are on our side, particularly in the Hispanic communities, to help fight this battle.
00:25:23.000Because a lot of them we talk to and we're talking to doors in Arizona and Nevada, they're not even totally aware of, again, this Islamist movement.
00:25:32.000They're not even totally aware of the trans movement that's happening.
00:25:36.000They're aware that they're against it, they're totally against it.
00:25:40.000The third rung of that is the illegal immigration issue, which they are aware of.
00:25:45.000Some of them have become like, yeah, man, I've got my business.
00:25:49.000I mean, there's a myriad of businesses, especially here in states like Arizona, where it's, you know, in construction and, you know, landscaping.
00:25:57.000And I mean, there's all sorts of different things, right?
00:26:00.000Handyman businesses, small businesses like restaurants and things like that, that the Hispanic community generally has a ton, they're thriving in those.
00:26:09.000And the moment you have a conversation with them, like, hey, are you supportive of just like literally millions of more people coming across the border here in Arizona and impacting your business negatively?
00:26:20.000The answer, almost 95% of the time, is an immediate no.
00:26:25.000One of the biggest shockers, I think, for people was that President Trump's hard stance on immigration actually resonated with Hispanics.
00:26:32.000Because they know what they fled from.
00:26:34.000So now, Andrew, take that to the next step.
00:26:36.000When we start having conversations with people like, okay, we know you're against that, right?
00:26:40.000Most, like, vast majority of people with a brain that are born with a brain are against illegals coming in and just taking your business and your house and whatever, right?
00:27:37.000We're reaching out to Spanish speakers in the state of Arizona, which, okay, yeah, they should probably speak English, but listen, we didn't set up this system.
00:27:57.000So many of the businesses, many of the jobs that Hispanics have, Katie Hobbs has been actively working against their financial interests.
00:28:05.000And I don't think that they realize this.
00:28:07.000So you gotta get to them and say, listen, one of the reasons you feel this pinch is.
00:28:12.000It's because Katie Hobbs has been working against you because she wants more of your money, even low class, middle class, upwardly mobile Hispanics.
00:28:20.000And this is the conversation to have with every neighbor.
00:28:25.000It doesn't matter what background they are, but every neighbor is do you want a country where you have candidates like Katie Hobbs who are bringing in pro illegal sentiment into your state?
00:28:39.000That's including drugs, cartels, crime, everything.
00:29:06.000Because the Catholic community is so strong in Mexico City.
00:29:08.000Well, also, let's be honest Muslims want to immigrate to Western first world countries because they want to take them over.
00:29:15.000Look, but here, I mean, the strategy is like, They haven't survived because Catholicism is strong, stronger in Mexico City than it is in almost any city in America.
00:30:01.000I should probably give you guys a visual here.
00:30:04.000But check this out Chase the Vote, new hire training in our key states this week, on top of the hundreds and hundreds that are already deployed.
00:30:30.000Just to put this in perspective, Andrew, all three of those states, if that's all we had hired, that would be the biggest team in all three of those states.
00:30:37.000Well, that's an indictment of the conservative movement, though.
00:30:40.000But, I mean, just any group, I think we would be bigger than just about anybody.
00:31:06.000You go there, you plug in your address, and it spits out exactly all of the people you need to vote for.
00:31:14.000On your ballot, there's usually a lot of different things.
00:31:17.000There's propositions, there's judges, there's Nonpartisan races, and you never know.
00:31:24.000So, the biggest issue that actually we've surveyed from people when we talk to them, they go, Yeah, of course, I know who to vote for top of ticket, and I know the big battles for Senate and governor and president and things like that, but I don't know who to vote for for city council.
00:31:41.000And not enough education is done on the Republican side for that.
00:32:31.000So that would be like Iowa, Florida, states that traditionally and historically have been swing states, but Florida has gone in the R column.
00:32:38.000But now we're in a dogfight again with Byron Donalds.
00:32:50.000So, anyways, our Legacy Field team was doing voter reg drives all over the country, getting thousands of people registered to vote.
00:32:57.000And then TP Pack ad campaign for Arizona hit over 30 million views.
00:33:01.000So that would be on traditional TV over the top.
00:33:03.000Digital ads, billboards, and we have some big new ads launching, including the Spanish language ads in Arizona.
00:33:10.000And all the while, Chase the Vote staff continues to knock on doors, knock on doors, knock on doors.
00:33:15.000And this is what we were talking about in the break.
00:33:17.000The staff is reporting back to us that people do not feel the sense of urgency when it comes to illegal immigration, when it comes to even legal immigration, or the Islamification of America.
00:33:31.000So, what is your message to them, Tyler Boyer?
00:33:33.000Yeah, I mean, right now, we need absolutely everyone.
00:33:36.000If you are a constant, And consistent voter, you always show up to vote.
00:33:41.000You have a responsibility to help get out the vote for your street.
00:33:44.000Do not assume that your street is just going to show up.
00:33:46.000Do not assume that your family members are just going to show up.
00:33:58.000If you download tpaction.comslash app, you can go on iOS or Android, download it, and then on the top left corner, you hit the arrows and then you pop in your phone number.
00:34:09.000It verifies that you're a real person.
00:34:11.000And then once you verify you're a real person, you can click a green button that says voters near me, and it will direct you to the 10 or 15 nearest voters to you that need to be reached out to.
00:37:12.000If you're looking at your investment portfolio and feeling pretty smart right now, remember a bull market can make anyone look like a genius.
00:37:20.000If you've had a good run, the question is whether you keep it.
00:37:22.000The people who act early do it from a position of strength, the ones who wait act out of fear.
00:37:28.000There's nothing worse than turning a great trade into a break even.
00:39:11.000But on Friday after the show, he says, I am proud to announce that, effective immediately, this is Trump, I am banning fake news, CNN, MSNBC, who recently changed their name from MSNBC due to lack of viewership and credibility, and Politico from the White House.
00:39:25.000Basically, he goes on and calls them fake news.
00:39:29.000I have talked, Sean, to some of my social media experts, and they said the sentiment that they're seeing on social media to this decision is the most positive thing that they've seen Trump do in recent memory.
00:39:52.000Yeah, I find it interesting because we had multiple previous administrations who hated reporters who were critical of them to the point that they spied on them and had them arrested.
00:40:05.000I know this personally because when we were reporting on the Biden administration at the Federalist during the last administration, that entire administration devoted itself to destroying us, bankrupting us, and censoring us, using the power of the government, its full force.
00:40:22.000We had them admitting, yes, we are going after them.
00:40:25.000We are going to try to censor them to shut them down because they're inconvenient to us.
00:40:29.000So you will have to forgive me for not being particularly concerned about the claims from people like CNN and MSNBC, who, by the way, cheered on the censorship against us.
00:40:55.000I guess that's not an affront on the First Amendment, but by them not having instantaneous 24 or 7 real time access to Trump at his desk while he's working, that is somehow fascism.
00:41:11.000And there are so many elements to this story that are hilarious, but you brought up some great points that the press is a bunch of hypocrites.
00:43:42.000I'm just sick and tired of the pretense and the lying and the hypocrisy.
00:43:48.000Okay, none of those people went on a boycott when the Federalists and the Daily Wire were targeted for literal destruction by the Biden administration.
00:43:58.000And what's actually, and it's because they don't actually care about the First Amendment, this is about themselves getting on camera.
00:44:03.000There is no group of bigger preeners and egomaniacs than your average White House correspondents.
00:44:10.000They don't care about the precious freedom of the press.
00:44:13.000They don't care about the First Amendment or the Constitution.
00:44:15.000They care about getting their stupid faces on television every day.
00:44:19.000And when they're not allowed in the White House, it makes it harder for them to preen and primp and pretend like they're the actual stars of the show rather than people who are just there to cover it.
00:44:28.000So I just say, I have no patience for their nonsense.
00:44:31.000It's the same crap that Jim Acosta pulled.
00:44:33.000All they care about is seeing their dumb, fat faces on television.
00:44:37.000And whenever Trump comes in and says, you know what, you're just going to go have to find a platform to do your.
00:44:41.000Your little First Amendment LARPing somewhere else, they melt down and they act like they've been attacked.
00:44:47.000There's nothing these people enjoy more than pretending to be martyrs because it allows them to make themselves part of the story.
00:44:53.000And in themselves, they're the only ones they actually care about.
00:44:56.000So I'm not even interested in getting into the substance of it or like, what does the case law say?
00:45:01.000These people are a bunch of completely fake phonies.
00:45:03.000And honestly, I'm to the point where whatever makes them sad makes me happy.
00:45:26.000It was before it got all chaotic and it attempted assassination.
00:45:31.000What's interesting to me being around them, Sean, and you know this better than anybody, they look at themselves as almost a priestly class, right?
00:45:38.000Like this set apart group that has this moral obligation to the country to speak truth to power and all this.
00:45:46.000The way they talk about themselves is self ignorant.
00:45:48.000And aggrandizement is just nauseating.
00:45:51.000And yet, the proof is in the pudding 90 plus percent negative coverage, which is impossible.
00:46:24.000We're going to turn our attention to Nicole Hannah Jones and Colin Kaepernick because, you know, what's a weekend without accusing America of racism again?
00:47:26.000When did you truly start to have the realization that, hey, this does, in this sense, remind me of the slave trade?
00:47:35.000When you get to the point that it's like, Yeah, strip down to your draws.
00:47:40.000It's like, well, why do I need to do this?
00:47:47.000But also, I mean, I guess this is what I have to do, and everybody's doing it.
00:47:51.000Like, all right, this is part of the process.
00:47:56.000Now, at that point in time, there's conversations with players at a high level of like, yo, why do we have to do that?
00:48:06.000You have a high level sense of like, you know, it feels like it's a meat market.
00:48:11.000Okay, it feels like it's a meat market.
00:48:13.000So let me just get this straight, Sean.
00:48:15.000The man who compared the NFL to slavery is, let me check my notes here, still desperate to return to the NFL for more slavery or something.
00:49:48.000But this Ryan Clark guy, he got into a beef with, like, what is it, Robert Griffith III, and basically said he didn't have a perspective on a certain discussion they were having because he was married to a white woman.
00:50:02.000He said, You can't speak about the WNBA because you married a white woman.
00:50:06.000He, I mean, this guy is a real piece of work.
00:50:10.000And so, of course, Colin Kaepernick goes and joins him.
00:50:13.000It's just another, it's just one of these new reminders, Sean, though, that the woke is not dead.
00:50:22.000These people are true believers in the cult of woke.
00:50:25.000And you saw this, and I'm going to let you give us because we got Helen Andrews on next.
00:50:28.000We're going to talk all about Nicole Hannah Jones, but it's like another reminder.
00:50:32.000Nicole Hannah Jones sends her little daughter to the public schools in New York City, and then 10 years later writes a piece following up on that decision, being like, Did I betray my daughter?
00:50:43.000Because my daughter hated the schools I sent her to.
00:51:27.000The reason she didn't know her own daughter couldn't do long division is probably because she couldn't do long division.
00:51:32.000And she writes this whole screed about how she doesn't understand what she had really done to her daughter by putting her in a place where she was promoted, not because she had the ability or the aptitude, but she was just socially promoted because it was easier.
00:51:48.000So she finds herself going higher and higher, even though she had no ability whatsoever.
00:51:53.000At no point did Nicole Hannah Jones look at this and be like, wow, this is a microcosm of my own career.
00:51:59.000I, Nicole Hannah Jones, have kept on getting awards and being promoted and being feted.
00:52:04.000Even though I'm an idiot who doesn't know what I'm talking about at all, she has in her own daughter a brilliant microcosm of her own career, and at no point does she ever recognize it.
00:52:14.000So I highly urge everyone to read that entire New York Times article because it is a spectacular treatise and what it's like to have zero self awareness about one's own worldview or about how living how she did proves it to be nonsense, and yet she's utterly clueless about it.
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00:54:48.000She is one of the Most accomplished writers and thinkers in the space.
00:54:52.000She wrote an amazing piece that we're still thinking about and talking about the great feminization, which is really what causes so much wokeness.
00:55:20.000He says, Most writers don't admit to mistakes, much less.
00:55:23.000Publicize them so that we can all benefit.
00:55:25.000Nicole Hannah Jones has done both of those things with this powerful essay.
00:55:28.000I do not agree with every word or with some of the underlying assumptions, but she deserves nothing but praise for bringing her daughter up.
00:56:02.000Well, 10 years ago, Nicole Hannah Jones wrote a blockbuster article for the New York Times about her decision to send her daughter to a low income school in urban Brooklyn.
00:56:13.000And over the weekend, she published an essay saying essentially that she's decided that she was wrong, that her daughter did not benefit from being sent to this inner city school.
00:56:24.000Now, a lot of people made fun of her for sacrificing her daughter.
00:56:31.000Nicole Hannah Jones sincerely believed that the only problem with inner city schools was that they didn't have enough funding or they didn't have enough parental engagement or that their PTA didn't have enough money for bells and whistles.
00:56:46.000The kids didn't have enough enrichment.
00:56:48.000Nicole Hannah Jones was herself a wealthy woman making a lot of money at the New York Times.
00:56:52.000She was a politically powerful woman who could go into a meeting with the principal and say, if you don't give these kids what they need, I'm going to splash your name all over the press.
00:57:03.000I think the fact that she wanted to bring those resources that she had to bear for the benefit not only of her own daughter, but for the people in her community, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
00:57:13.000The only problem, the only error that she made was getting wrong the diagnosis of what's wrong with these inner city schools.
00:57:21.000But I don't think we can blame her for getting that wrong because her opinion of what's wrong with those schools is the only one you're allowed to have.
00:57:29.000It's the basis of all conventional wisdom in all of our discussions about education policy in this country.
00:57:34.000So, it's not like she was going with a fringe theory.
00:57:37.000She only believed what everybody else believed.
00:57:39.000You know what's interesting as I was reading this?
00:57:41.000So, by the way, I read the 2016 article and I read the one that was just published.
00:57:47.000And then I got a call from a New York Times journalist, completely unrelated this morning, asking about some other story.
00:57:52.000And he was like, everybody's talking about the Nicole Hannah Jones piece.
00:57:55.000So, it's like within the New York Times newsroom, everybody's talking about this.
00:58:00.000What struck me as I was reading it, Helen, just to kind of back you up on your point, There is a laudable nature to this.
00:58:07.000And I kept thinking if Nicole Hannah Jones' assumptions weren't so god awful, I wish if she had better ideas, I wish that that type of drive, sense of purpose, integrity to the mission, I wish she was on our team.
00:58:22.000If she had better ideas, a person like that would be powerful.
00:58:25.000It would be a powerful asset to have on a side that's fighting for truth and justice in the American way.
00:58:31.000Instead, she's devoted her life to sort of tearing down everything that makes America successful.
00:58:36.000So, here, just to your point, though, their assumption is that it's always funding.
00:58:45.000It says this is the per pupil funding for the elementary school Nicole Hannah Jones sent her daughter to, which was PS 307, Daniel Hale Williams.
00:59:18.000She says she had to pull two boys off each other that were fighting.
00:59:21.000And then we find out later that they weren't grading her tests or her coursework.
00:59:27.000They just weren't doing the basic blocking and tackling of being a teacher.
00:59:33.000And yet her conclusion is that this is because it's a lack of segregation, because all the whites and the Asians didn't want to go to these schools.
00:59:43.000What is the problem with a school like PS 307 where the white families? Have abandoned and they've taken their kids to more selective schools or private schools.
00:59:53.000What is actually causing the dysfunction in the public schools?
00:59:56.000The number one thing you have to understand about Nicole Hannah Jones, particularly when it comes to education, is that as a child, she herself was bussed to a majority white school.
01:00:09.000She lived in a black neighborhood, but she tested into an academically selective program because she's a smart lady.
01:00:15.000And so she was bussed to a majority white school.
01:00:18.000And that had two Big effects on her development and her thinking on these questions.
01:00:23.000The first was that she found the experience of being one of the only black kids in an all white school to be profoundly alienating.
01:00:31.000So she kind of romanticized the idea that she wished she could have been in a school with people who looked more like her, which I think is entirely understandable.
01:00:39.000I think kids deserve to have a sense of belonging.
01:00:42.000The second big effect that that personal experience had on Nicole Hannah Jones was that it gave her absolutely no idea.
01:00:51.000Of the reality of some of these inner city schools.
01:00:54.000She thought they would be full of kids just like her daughter, only with less money at home or maybe more broken households.
01:01:02.000So that's why she was so shocked in the anecdote you describe of going to a lunchroom and finding chaos.
01:01:08.000Where, as someone who went to magnet schools in Raleigh, North Carolina, that's about what I would expect to find in a lunchroom of an elementary school like the one that I went to.
01:01:17.000And I think Nicole Hannah Jones is actually wrong to blame the teachers who were there in the lunchroom.
01:01:23.000She went in and saw the kids getting rowdy and pulling the kids apart.
01:01:27.000And she looked at these teachers and said, Why aren't you doing anything about the fact that these kids are so rowdy or making so much noise?
01:01:34.000And the people that she spoke to said, Well, that's the way it always is.
01:01:38.000I actually have a lot of sympathy for those teachers.
01:01:40.000Just the customs of behavior in a school like that are going to be a little bit different and maybe a little jarring to someone from a more quiet middle class background.
01:01:49.000But I think the fact that she was so shocked and surprised just goes to show that she didn't really have.
01:01:58.000She was based on her romantic ideas from her own upbringing rather than any basis in experience.
01:02:04.000Well, both her and her husband were educated in, I guess she would describe it as segregated environments, right?
01:02:11.000Where they were learning with white people.
01:02:13.000I think her husband was a military kid, so he was learning on bases and things like that.
01:02:17.000So what's interesting about this, I think your analysis is spot on, Helen.
01:02:21.000She didn't understand the reality of what an inner city school really would be, right?
01:02:26.000And she thought that she could make a difference.
01:02:27.000Again, Laudable in a sense, except for the fact that she's continually misdiagnosing problems.
01:02:33.000As Sean Davis just said on the show, the problem with Nicole Hannah Jones is not that she doesn't have a sense of purpose, isn't dedicated to the mission, it's that she's dumb on some level.
01:02:41.000She is not accurately defining the problems.
01:02:47.000The problem is not that there's no white kids around.
01:02:50.000We call this like talisman whiteness, where like the minority communities in New York think that they can sprinkle a few like whites around to like fix the problem.
01:03:00.000And she admits they're only 15% of the public school population.
01:03:05.000So, there's less and less white kids in New York.
01:03:08.000The vast majority are blacks and Hispanics.
01:03:12.000I don't know how you're supposed to segregate or integrate a school when there's only 15% of the population you're demanding be integrated into these schools.
01:03:20.000Anyway, so her daughter grows up and she basically says, Why did you do this?
01:03:26.000She says, Putting me in this school didn't change anything.
01:03:30.000I was not trying to be in this type of environment.
01:03:35.000And she says, and her adamant started to see to fear that if I continue to force her to live my values, it could haunt our relationship far past her school years.
01:03:43.000So she says, You now get to choose the school that you want to go to.
01:04:09.000And this was like, you know, a big revelation.
01:04:12.000And she was struggling tremendously, by the way.
01:04:15.000For the first time in her life, she had homework, she had her grades getting.
01:04:19.000Or she had her papers getting tested and scored and graded.
01:04:23.000She had her math assignments getting graded.
01:04:25.000And she realized that she hadn't been taught any math at all.
01:04:28.000The question then becomes why are they so?
01:04:32.000So, are you saying that the reason that the public schools are failing, predominantly black and Hispanic schools are failing, is because of culture?
01:04:45.000It's a combination of all those things.
01:04:47.000The revelation that Nicole Hannah Jones should have had in this article from this experience.
01:04:53.000But didn't have is that all of the white parents and other middle class parents who pull their kids out of the New York public schools because they want to avoid schools like the one her daughter went to, she should have realized, like a clap of thunder, that those parents are not evil and racist.
01:05:11.000Those parents are making a rational decision.
01:05:14.000You said just a moment ago that New York City public schools are only 15% white.
01:05:18.000That's true, and that's reflected in almost every large urban school district in the nation.
01:05:23.000Somebody like Nicole Hannah Jones, remember, 1619 Project.
01:05:27.000I mean, she is a crusader for black Americans, even though, like, she was herself, as you pointed out, benefited from going to school with white kids.
01:05:36.000This is, she admits that this is probably why I live a middle class lifestyle now.
01:05:45.000Now, her assumption was that segregation in schools is simply a product of racism.
01:05:52.000And she constantly is talking about the hardest thing to talk about in this country or deal with is our.
01:05:56.000History of racism and segregation and all this stuff.
01:06:00.000But she should have realized that the parents that are doing their best to pull their kids out of failing public schools in places like New York City are not bad people.
01:06:20.000Nicole Hannah Jones has made an entire career, a very lucrative career, I might add, demonizing parents who pull their kids out of failing public schools.
01:06:29.000Majority minority urban school districts.
01:06:32.000She blames white flight of this kind on racism.
01:06:35.000And she's correct that it's a huge problem.
01:06:39.000The number of white students in most urban large school districts are invisible to the naked eye.
01:06:43.000They're in the teens or even single digits.
01:06:45.000That's certainly the case in New York City, where more than half of the white kids who live in New York City attend some kind of private school because their parents don't want to send them to the public schools.
01:06:56.000Nicole Hannah Jones accuses these parents of racism when actually they're making a very rational choice.
01:07:02.000The rational choice that they're making is based on two observations.
01:07:05.000The first is these inner city schools have a lot of problems.
01:07:10.000And those problems certainly should be addressed, and they are unique problems.
01:07:16.000But those problems will be in no way alleviated or improved by the presence of white kids or middle class kids.
01:07:24.000That's just not what those schools need, and that does nothing to improve the people who already go to these schools.
01:07:31.000And the second very rational thing that these parents are thinking is that the standard of behavior in these schools is very different to the one that I want to inculcate in my kids.
01:07:41.000A lot of these kids just don't have the habits of discipline.
01:07:43.000In the article, Nicole Hannah Jones cites her daughter complaining that there are kids in the class always goofing off, even engaging in violence, and the teachers won't discipline them.
01:07:53.000It is completely reasonable for middle class parents not to want to send their kids to a classroom that looks like that, especially if the presence of these white and middle class kids is not actually going to do anything to improve the standards of behavior at these schools.
01:08:09.000Well, this is what we call talisman whiteness.
01:08:12.000I think there is this assumption from people like Nicole Hannah Jones that you whites.
01:08:17.000Owe it to my black or Latino kid to force your kid to go, you know, subject your kids to this, I don't know, this chaotic scene that we're seeing play out in the lunchroom where nobody, there's no adult supervision.
01:08:32.000There's, they're just running around punching each other, fighting all this stuff.
01:08:35.000And then it gets to middle school and high school and the fights get more aggressive.
01:08:38.000The racial tensions get inflamed even higher and there's still no supervision.
01:08:44.000And it's, so, so they think that if you just subject a few white kids and sprinkle them out, these 15% that are left in New York City, That it'll fix the problem.
01:09:01.000I vividly recall, she says, this story as my friends were having the same discussions about choosing New York City schools.
01:09:06.000This is from the 2016 article, the one that made all those headlines.
01:09:10.000I mean, she, by the way, just so everybody's aware, Nicole Hannah Jones got sent all over the country to talk about public schools and desegregating public schools because of this article.
01:09:18.000It was such a huge bombshell at the time.
01:10:37.000But I have to push back on that a little bit because I do feel like families, it's okay for parents to make a few sacrifices for the sake of their community.
01:10:47.000The story that I thought of when I first read this article, the first thing it made me think of was a story from the darkest days of segregation.
01:10:55.000One of the biggest problems that Southern Blacks faced in that period was a shortage of doctors.
01:11:01.000There were just not enough doctors to go around and serve all of those people.
01:11:04.000So a Northern philanthropist thought and asked the head of his philanthropic foundation.
01:11:09.000Should I start a scholarship system, medical scholarships for Black would be doctors?
01:11:15.000And the head of his foundation had to tell him that's not going to work.
01:11:22.000And the reason why is that every single doctor that we created through our trial program of medical scholarships immediately moved to the North.
01:11:34.000Because if you're an educated Black doctor, you're going to have a much better standard of living in Boston or Philadelphia than in Mississippi or Alabama in the 1920s.
01:11:42.000But while I can't blame anybody, any black doctor who made that choice in that period, I have so much respect and admiration for those who made a different choice, for those who chose to stay with their community and say, I'm from the South.
01:12:45.000That can make somebody a productive member of society.
01:12:48.000The only downside is that imposing that discipline in an inner city school where habits of discipline are often quite different from what you find in a middle class school takes a little extra effort and it's a little bit harder.
01:13:01.000And imposing it is strict in a way that middle class kids aren't going to like.
01:13:06.000So, keeping those, you know, having unique discipline programs that are uniquely suited to those communities, that's the solution here.