Sen. Ron Johnson and Rep. Lauren Bobert join the Charlie Kirk Show to discuss the debt ceiling, the Green New Deal, and the need for a compromise on spending cuts. Charlie Kirk is the founder of Turning Point USA, an organization dedicated to fighting for freedom on college campuses.
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00:01:51.000Well, House Republicans passed a plan to avoid this catastrophe by raising the debt ceiling.
00:01:57.000Now, I had never voted on a debt ceiling increase before, but we did this by cutting wasteful government spending and getting America back to where it should be.
00:02:06.000Joe Biden had said that he would not even negotiate.
00:02:08.000And I'd like to remind Joe that America saw firsthand how strong the House Freedom Caucus was in January.
00:02:24.000And that's exactly what we put forward when we first outlined the debt ceiling proposal that we had.
00:02:29.000And so now Joe Biden and the senators need to come to the table and work with us for the good of the American people.
00:02:36.000Americans are on our side, and the majority of Americans think that Biden's unwillingness to negotiate is absolutely ridiculous.
00:02:45.00075% of Americans believe that the federal government spending is too high.
00:02:51.000And the other 25% probably just haven't paid attention recently.
00:02:56.000But Biden's campaign as a bipartisan deal maker was nothing but a lie.
00:03:03.000And so now we have to make sure that we're putting pressure on the Senate to keep the cuts that we had.
00:03:08.000We cut $500 billion in the student loan bailout, $60 billion in unspent COVID funding that would be taken out of that budget, the Green New Deal tax cuts.
00:03:21.000We strengthened work requirements for welfare programs and so much more.
00:03:28.000I'm very proud of the package that we were able to put together.
00:03:33.000I would have loved to even seen more, but it was great to actually get to be able to pass that, send it over to the Senate, keep the pressure on them.
00:03:40.000And now we have to force Joe Biden's hand at coming to the table, negotiating, and helping get our country back on track.
00:03:48.000I mean, the Uniparty spending is unbelievable, Lauren.
00:04:23.000And so, if you were to kind of play this out, then how do you see this progressing?
00:04:29.000Well, in a perfect world, they agree with our plan and add even more cuts.
00:04:33.000But unfortunately, I have seen how often the Senate Republicans fold and give place to more spending and for the further detriment of our country.
00:04:44.000So I think it's going to come back to us, and we are going to have to look at that and try to beef it up once again.
00:04:53.000It has to be where it was before to get the amount of support that it had because it was really tough getting the majority of Republicans to vote on this and pass it in the first place.
00:05:04.000So if this deal is even weaker when it comes back from the Senate, then that's going to be a very big problem.
00:05:11.000So shifting gears here for a second, Joe Biden has announced reelection, saying there's no primary debates.
00:05:18.000Do you think Republicans should follow suit?
00:05:22.000We have President Trump leading the top of the ticket on the primary for the Republican Party.
00:05:28.000And I think there's nothing better than a good President Trump debate.
00:05:32.000That's where we see him shine and really show that he is a leader, that he's here to drain the swamp, as we all want to do so badly and hold these people accountable.
00:05:44.000So I fully support a Republican primary.
00:05:48.000And, you know, I'm the least bit surprised that the most popular president in American history is struggling to gain support and now doesn't want a primary.
00:06:06.000And I don't know if we have enough of whatever it is they pump him full of to actually get him through a debate.
00:06:14.000And the only reason that he won't have this debate is because the people who are actually running the country know that Joe Biden does not have the cognitive ability to get through the debate.
00:06:24.000Biden even admitted in his White House correspondent speech that he talks for 10 minutes, Charlie, answers zero questions, and then walks away.
00:06:34.000And we know what little questions he does engage in.
00:06:38.000We have the kindergarten pamphlet there for him with a picture of the reporter and describing who they are and what the question is that they're going to ask, and then his answer already prepared.
00:06:49.000And if you can't even get through a question, a press conference at the White House, then you're certainly not going to be able to get through a debate.
00:06:59.000And that means that you're not fit to be president of the United States.
00:07:03.000And that's why I'm giving Joe Biden an open invite to a rehearsal debate whenever he's ready.
00:07:11.000So some White House officials say it's difficult to schedule public or private events with the president in the morning, in the evening, or on weekends.
00:07:19.000The vast majority of Biden's public events happen on weekdays from 10 a.m. to 4 p.m.
00:07:26.000Only four public events before 10 a.m.
00:07:29.000That vitamin B12 shot peaks right around 1 p.m.
00:07:32.000Just a dozen public events after 6 p.m., mostly dinners and receptions with foreign leaders or fundraisers, 12 full weekends with no public events.
00:07:42.000And so, Lauren, you ran in a very, very tight race.
00:07:44.000You have another important election coming up in 2024.
00:07:49.000I think that in your district, especially, one of the top issues is energy and the war on fossil fuels.
00:07:57.000Talk about how Joe Biden and the Democrats are continuing a crusade against our natural resources and how that impacts your race.
00:08:06.000Yes, well, we have been regulated into poverty in Colorado's third district by politicians and their terrible policies.
00:08:13.000We know that America needs to be energy secure.
00:08:16.000We have the cleanest, best resources, and nobody produces it better than we do.
00:08:20.000And Democrats would rather virtue signal and be involved with child and slave labor in the Congo, where we have children mining with their bare hands for cobalt, sending those rare earth minerals to China, who owns the mines.
00:08:34.000And then we're buying solar panels from them.
00:08:40.000They think it's affordable because of the subsidies.
00:08:43.000But all of this is doing is crushing America's economy.
00:08:47.000It is killing jobs and it is making it harder for Americans to even pay their utility bills.
00:08:53.000At one point, we had 20 million Americans who could not afford their utility bills.
00:08:59.000This did not happen under President Trump.
00:09:02.000It will not happen when President Trump is back in the White House because he will make sure that we are energy independent again, energy secure, and pursuing energy dominance.
00:09:11.000We need to utilize the resources that we have, and we could literally send our energy to other countries, like our clean LNG, to Europe, and we could be exporting freedom, liberating these countries from these horrible dictators that they are currently bound to get their energy by.
00:09:34.000So, what they're doing in every sense is destroying it.
00:09:37.000They want to outlaw, they want to outlaw gas vehicles, gas stoves.
00:09:43.000I saw in Colorado gas lawnmowers and weed whackers.
00:10:29.000I don't know about you, but it takes a lot to shock me these days.
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00:11:43.000So when I went to Wheeling High School in the suburbs of Chicago, I was taught, and this was the correct teaching, that if you have segregated anything, that's racist, that you should not segregate people based on race.
00:11:58.000You see, we believe that people should be judged by character and that race means absolutely nothing.
00:12:03.000That a moment in American history of racial segregation was rooted in tribalism and identitarianism.
00:12:39.000Now, we've been warning for quite some time.
00:12:41.000And of course, most people ignore our warning.
00:12:45.000It's not just our warning, but anybody on team reality and team decency and team humanity says, hey, segregation is coming back to the country.
00:12:53.000So there's black-only dormitories all across the country.
00:12:57.000There are black-only graduation ceremonies from Grand Valley State University to Columbia University where white people are not allowed to participate in the graduation ceremony.
00:13:07.000And now in the suburbs of Chicago, not far from where I went to high school, it is just the next step.
00:13:14.000AP Calculus, so advanced placement calculus, at Evanston Township High School says that there is a course, and it goes through the description of the course, but this code for the course is restricted to students who identify as black.
00:13:30.000And they also have a Latinx or Latinx.
00:13:34.000Essentially, math classes at Evanston High School, they have a black-only math class.
00:13:44.000And they have a Latin-only math class.
00:13:49.000And if you dare oppose this segregation, they call you a racist because they say blacks need to have environments where they are not influenced by whites, that there's so much white supremacy.
00:14:10.000Now, this is why I've never bought this idea that the party switched after the 1960s or 70s.
00:14:19.000Because white Democrats who are implementing the policy of segregation at Evanston High School are doing the exact same thing that their grandparents did in the 1950s and 60s, where they said blacks go to this restroom and whites go to this restroom.
00:15:07.000What does this new coalition stand for?
00:15:09.000Russell Brand, Joe Rogan, Bobby Kennedy Jr., Bill Maher, Elon Musk, Glenn Greenwald, Tucker Carlson, we think segregation is wrong and evil.
00:15:16.000We do not think the melanin content in your skin should dictate or determine where you go to class, how you learn math, where you go to school, how you graduate, or where you live.
00:15:29.000We are going to be entering into a country, it's like we're already there, but it's going to be institutionalized, where blacks live in one area and whites live in one area.
00:15:38.000It's against everything that Martin Luther King argued for, but they've never liked Martin Luther King.
00:15:42.000They never liked the deracialization of America.
00:15:46.000They never liked the idea that we're going to detribalize America.
00:15:49.000And by the way, you want to know what's coming next, and this is not an exaggeration.
00:15:54.000The next iteration will be whites paying taxes to black people as reparations.
00:16:45.000Segregating people based on the color of their skin creates more of the boogeyman that does not currently exist, but then you're going to get legitimate and actual racism.
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00:18:35.000It wasn't easy to do an investigation.
00:18:37.000People wouldn't come in for interviews.
00:18:38.000But, you know, a number of people from the State Department did come in for interviews.
00:18:42.000We actually had a interview scheduled with Anthony Blinken.
00:18:45.000Remember, he was Deputy Secretary of State.
00:18:47.000And at some point in time, he decided to cancel that.
00:18:51.000The election happens, and then lo and behold, because he wanted to become Secretary of State, he decided to come in for an interview.
00:18:58.000And so we transcribed that interview, asked him all kinds of questions.
00:19:01.000We were primarily concerned about the May 27th meeting that he had scheduled with Hunter, which got canceled because Bo Biden died, I think, three days later.
00:19:10.000But then the follow-up meeting, a luncheon meeting that occurred in July of 2021, or of 2020.
00:19:18.000And so we want to ask him, you know, what did he and Hunter talk about and what he told us?
00:19:52.000Now, what we've seen because of the Hunter Biden laptop is we have emails where Anthony Blinken was emailing Hunter Biden and probably even worse, his wife, Evan Ryan is her name.
00:20:04.000She worked for the State Department, also under Obama.
00:20:07.000She was, it looks like, acting as a conduit, communicating between Hunter and Anthony Blinken using her personal email account.
00:20:17.000There's one particular exchange where she was trying to set up a phone call between the Karen Tremontano and the folks of Blue Star Strategy.
00:20:54.000He lied to us, which calls into question all of his testimony, which, quite honestly, I didn't believe it back then, but there wasn't any documents we had to disprove it.
00:21:05.000Now we're going to be asking for his documentation, his email, his text records.
00:21:10.000We're going to delve into this further.
00:21:12.000Is it time to send a criminal referral?
00:21:14.000Are you able to do that for lying to Congress, to the Department of Justice?
00:21:19.000But we will first give him a chance to give us our records or give us his records so we can review them.
00:21:26.000So again, we'll give him an opportunity to provide us the information that we need if he wants to proclaim his innocence.
00:21:35.000But I think that would certainly be a potential step.
00:21:39.000It is becoming more and more clear that Tony Blinken is not just some sort of career diplomat, that he's kind of the conduit, or at least was.
00:21:48.000He was the lynchpin of the Hunter Biden laptop story, and he faced zero consequences.
00:21:54.000And so it's very important to really figure out who was, was he operating, of course he wasn't operating by himself, but who was really calling the shots?
00:22:02.000And it really begs the question then, Senator, is he Secretary of State as a reward?
00:22:08.000Was that the payoff, if you will, for doing all this clandestine activity during the 2020 election?
00:22:16.000Well, I like Jonathan Turley's comment where he's talking about people in the Biden administration as a bunch of made men.
00:22:22.000They prove their loyalty by doing things like what appears Anthony Blinken did in making sure that 51 former intelligence officials wrote probably as fraudulent a letter ever perpetrated on the American electorate in history.
00:22:39.000Remember all the Russian collusion hoax and the Democrats screaming that that was a stolen election.
00:22:46.000Blinken and Biden and their 51 intelligence officials interfered in the 2020 election to a far greater extent than anything Russia could ever hope to have achieved.
00:23:00.000Where's the outrage by the mainstream media?
00:23:03.000Well, we know there won't be any outrage, but we're going to do everything we can to hold at least Anthony Blinken and those 51 former intelligence officials.
00:23:11.000They should all have their security clearances revoked.
00:23:14.000None of them should be working for the federal government or ever work for them in the future as well.
00:23:27.000And it absolutely impacted the election.
00:23:29.000We've seen polls that had the public known just about Hunter Biden's laptop that Joe Biden would not be president and we would not be on this current path of destruction that the Biden administration has put America on.
00:23:41.000I think that damaging their reputation is necessary.
00:23:44.000I mean, they trade on their reputation, board seats, think tank opportunities.
00:23:51.000These 51 intelligence agents, they knew what they were signing was incorrect, and it was all a con job.
00:23:57.000And then, Senator, as you well know, it was used as basis for social media censorship.
00:24:04.000So I lost access to my Twitter for a week because they said, well, according to Politico, 51 intelligence officials say that this looks like Russian disinformation.
00:24:15.000And so I'm all for stripping their security claims.
00:24:26.000You know, we see the corruption in the FBI and the Department of Justice and Intel agencies.
00:24:30.000The Democrats couldn't care less because it favors them.
00:24:33.000But remember, the FBI had possession of Hunter Biden's laptop in December 2019.
00:24:38.000These people talk to each other at the highest levels.
00:24:42.000You don't think those folks didn't realize that the FBI probably had that computer laptop?
00:24:47.000The other thing, Charlie, Senator Grassley and my report relied on Treasury records through 2019.
00:24:55.000So that's, you know, we released our report in September 2020, which showed the vast web of foreign financial entanglements that proved that President Biden would be highly compromised, right?
00:25:05.000So now James Comer, he's getting new Treasury records.
00:25:08.000The Bidens knew they were under investigation in 2019, certainly during 2020, but now James Comer is getting evidence that they continued their grifts.
00:25:17.000I mean, they were so brazen, they were so confident that the deep state that the mainstream media would cover for them, that they could just keep right on profiting, selling influence, bargaining in the Biden name, engaging in conflicts of interest.
00:25:47.000And so, you know, there's, Senator, what is your thought just more generally?
00:25:51.000And you're nonstop on this, and you have great endurance and perseverance.
00:25:56.000But some people are just getting overly cynical that they're never going to be held accountable because you're right, the grift only accelerated.
00:26:03.000And, you know, this involves so many family members, you can't even count them on two hands.
00:26:08.000And so do you have some hope that there's going to be legitimate accountability or justice for any person in the audience out there that says, yeah, this is fine.
00:26:17.000But when are we going to start to see some form of criminal prosecution where you have Donald Trump getting indicted in New York for a paperwork issue that's being called a felony?
00:26:28.000I see the comments on my Twitter feed, and they're all criticizing me for not prosecuting him.
00:26:35.000I would suggest that the first line of accountability is exposure, exposing the truth, showing these people for the low-life, sleazy, corrupt individuals that they are.
00:26:47.000That's some pretty significant accountability.
00:26:48.000Now, are you ever going to be able to get Merrick Garland to charge any of these folks?
00:27:29.000We're now seeing the media go after Robert F. Kennedy Jr., calling him a nut for any sort of vaccine skepticism.
00:27:36.000And he had this thing on ABC where they heavily edited the entire interview and video.
00:27:41.000You know, Jake Tapper comes out and literally says Robert F. Kennedy Jr. running for president is a nut.
00:27:47.000And so, Senator, I know you've been looking into Pfizer, AstraZeneca, you know, a lot of these companies for lying.
00:27:53.000What is the status of some of those investigations as you look into the kind of the story behind the mRNA vaccine?
00:28:00.000Well, first of all, let me suggest to the mainstream media types that are going to continue to savage Bobby Kennedy: watch the documentary Vaxed.
00:28:09.000Read the books, Dissolving Illusions, Turtles All the Way Down.
00:28:14.000Familiarize yourself with the VARS report.
00:28:52.000Again, we will continue to expose the truth.
00:28:54.000I'll be continuing to write oversight letters, if nothing else, to act as a foundation.
00:28:59.000Should we get the majority and I become chairman of the permanent subcommittee investigations, and I would have the subpoena power to start hauling these people in before Congress and start asking them some pretty tough questions.
00:29:10.000And that's federal health officials, that's people like Fauci, Walinski, all these people that are covering up what the VAER system is basically telling us about vaccine injuries.
00:29:23.000That's a pretty simple, you know, that's a simple question that people aren't able to answer.
00:29:28.000Senator, thank you for your leadership and stay on it.
00:29:31.000I know that a lot of people are growing cynical, but we need to reveal, as you say, and really make public the corruption that's been happening in our government.
00:29:49.000Now, we're still learning as to why what went wrong at First Republic Bank because at each one of these bank failures, we're getting excuses.
00:29:57.000Silicon Valley Bank, it was because of crypto.
00:30:25.000They're de-emphasizing it because they do not want to create behaviors of a bank run because fractional reserve banking means that at any moment our entire banking system can collapse.
00:30:36.000So now JPMorgan swoops in and they're buying First Republic and JP Morgan's assets are up.
00:30:42.000I'm a free market guy, but I want to make sure we're all very clear.
00:30:46.000This is not in the best interest of markets or what we consider to be capitalism.
00:30:52.000This is something closer to fascistic oligarchy, where we're going to have only a couple companies to choose from.
00:31:01.000We're only going to have a couple banks.
00:31:03.000We already only have a couple cell phone companies, Verizon, T-Mobile, ATT.
00:31:08.000We only have two actual hardware cell phone companies, Samsung and Apple.
00:31:15.000We only have a couple major news networks.
00:31:17.000We only have a couple major streaming networks.
00:31:20.000We only have a couple mass delivery systems of consumer products, Amazon and Walmart, Target.
00:31:26.000We've already seen this corporate consolidation, this almost perfect fascistic oligarchy that has been basically taking over the entire country.
00:31:39.000This is not the best interested American worker, best interest of entrepreneurs, and this is not free market.
00:31:45.000You only have a couple soft drink beverage companies, Pepsi-Cola and Coca-Cola.
00:31:51.000You only have a couple of home good companies, Home Depot and Lowe's.
00:31:56.000You only have a couple rideshare services, Lyft and Uber.
00:32:00.000What we're getting at is that what they call free markets is really bigger and bigger companies merging and acquiring merger and acquisitions, smaller companies, to then create an entrenched, permanent, woke corporate oligarchy.
00:32:19.000And that's exactly where banking is going.
00:32:22.000We are going to see dozens, maybe hundreds of small and regional banks fold that then they have to get rolled into the woke major banks.
00:32:32.000For example, the biggest banks are JP Morgan, Wells Fargo.
00:32:40.000And so now First Republic is selling all of its assets to J.P. Morgan, and JP Morgan's stock is up.
00:32:48.000Either that or when these banks fail, they get bailed out by the biggest funds and asset managers.
00:32:54.000This is what is driving the new alignment, the realignment.
00:32:58.000Two things can be simultaneously true.
00:33:00.000In fact, it's necessary that they are simultaneously true.
00:33:04.000You can love the promise and the wealth that markets and entrepreneurs are able to create, that Milton Friedman beautifully articulated and Thomas Sowell articulated, while simultaneously believing that the mass, just unstopped, like unadulterated consolidation of corporate power is bad for all people.
00:33:26.000I don't want to live in a country where we only have two or three companies in every genre of market selection.
00:33:34.000Okay, here are your two companies for banks.
00:33:36.000Here's your three companies for cell phones.
00:33:39.000That's not good for anybody, largely because you don't have enough competition and they get bloated, inefficient.
00:33:50.000But more broadly, that I think is really important is that then their politics are a lot easier to control.
00:33:57.000They become woke publicly traded super PACs that are selling you potato chips, soft drinks, or offering you mortgages because these HR departments are already captured by people that go to Stanford and Brown and Yale, and they're all on birth for the men can, they're all on board for the men can give birth black only dormitory crowd.
00:34:19.000And then they fund transgenderism and BLM and CRT and ESG radicalism.
00:34:39.000We need somebody to come in and start to break up these companies and start to say, for the sake of markets, for the sake of entrepreneurs, for the sake of the muscular class, for the sake of the working man and woman, woke, internationalist, monopolistic, fascist oligarchies are at odds with human flourishing and liberty.
00:35:03.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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