00:00:00.000Today in the Charlie Kirk show, we have Devin Nunez join us.
00:00:03.000And then Citizen Kane from Citizen Free Press joins us for a raw, unfiltered, and quite honestly, extremely powerful and entertaining conversation.
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00:01:32.000Well, James Baker, for those folks who don't know, was the lawyer for Comey.
00:01:39.000So, one of the top lawyers in all of the Department of Justice, especially at the FBI.
00:01:44.000And then he, miraculously, after Comey left, he was involved in the early FISAs.
00:01:50.000We think he had a lot to do with that in 2016 and 17 during the Russia hoax.
00:01:56.000And then, of course, he was involved in the one of the only two indictments that Durham brought.
00:02:02.000He was one of the people who testified.
00:02:03.000He's the one who took the information on the Russia hoax to the FBI or accepted it on behalf of the Clinton campaign.
00:02:11.000And then, lo and behold, after we conduct this investigation in 2017, he ultimately is forced out at the FBI, and then he lands on his feet at Twitter.
00:02:20.000And I think the bigger point here to make, Charlie, is that we're learning in all of this, that we've kind of known from the periphery, but there's been a revolving door.
00:02:30.000High-level Democrats through all levels of government that served in the Obama-Biden administration and previous capacities as Democratic operatives have moved over into the big tech world and fill many of the top positions.
00:02:46.000And so then you have to ask yourself, there's kind of this merger that's occurred between big government, i.e. Democrats working within the system, big business through the woke corporates who are now funding all of these big tech companies, and then, of course, big tech and the radical left.
00:03:07.000It helps the radical left, left-wingers, the Democratic Party, win elections in this country.
00:03:13.000So I think that's why it's so important that we need to get these Twitter files fully released.
00:03:19.000Like I'm all for President Trump and I were very supportive of Elon Musk buying Twitter.
00:03:24.000You know, our goal is very simple, to open the internet back up and give the American people their voice back.
00:03:29.000And clearly, it's better to have somebody like Elon Musk, even though a lot of people, I think, question, well, he's the richest guy in the world.
00:03:36.000What's, you know, he could turn people off at any time if he wanted to.
00:03:40.000But it's a hell of a lot better than these woke wackos that had Twitter before as a public company.
00:03:47.000So what I think Elon Musk really needs to do, Charlie, is he just needs to release all the files so that there's so many great investigators that are out there on True Social and many other platforms that would go through all these documents and then help the non-fake news media actually get more of this information out.
00:04:04.000And we probably would learn a hell of a lot more than just James Baker.
00:04:09.000The template that was used for RussiaGate, and you were really the chief investigator into RussiaGate, and you deserve a lot of credit for that.
00:04:17.000But the template was then reused really for Twitter, which is intelligence agencies, domestic agencies meeting with private actors for a political purpose, whether it be the dossier or Perkins Cooey.
00:04:30.000No one was ever held accountable, Devin.
00:04:36.000And I think it's all in the same, Charlie.
00:04:38.000I don't really see this as anything different.
00:04:42.000Russia Gate was just kind of the biggest scandal in U.S. history that we know of, at least in modern history.
00:04:49.000But everything that's happened since then is all related and it's all kind of transgenderly related or directly related to the Russia hoax.
00:04:57.000So remember, what they needed to do to plant their narratives and to spy on people without having to get a warrant, just go to the big tech companies, either see people in.
00:05:09.000I mean, either these people are willing actors who are within these tech companies who can feed information to the FBI and the Department of Justice.
00:05:22.000So I view this all in one and the same.
00:05:25.000And what we see with Twitter is likely only, number one, it's likely just very, very little of what Twitter has and what Twitter's holding.
00:05:38.000For example, somebody posted on True Social earlier this morning, I think, asked a legitimate question.
00:05:43.000What role did Twitter play with the Canadian truckers who were protesting their rights in Canada against their government?
00:05:50.000And they were taken down by the government.
00:05:53.000I mean, pretty forceful takedown of that movement where they were protesting for freedom.
00:05:59.000They were against the COVID restrictions that were being put on them.
00:06:03.000So that's just one example of, I think, what a lot of people around the globe want to know.
00:06:08.000What exactly was Twitter doing and how big did it go?
00:06:15.000Twitter's tiny compared to now we call it Meta, but it's the greater Facebook and Instagram, you know, where you literally have probably over 100 million Americans on there.
00:06:48.000And if the FBI's got relationships with them, they can, you know, they're sharing it.
00:06:53.000And now, look, I think it would be illegal for our government to do that.
00:06:56.000And that's why we need more documents in Congress.
00:06:59.000I think if Elon doesn't release them, they're going to have to subpoena all the documents, the Republicans in Congress, to try to make heads or tails of what the hell's happening here.
00:07:24.000I mean, I think, I mean, look, we don't, we only have circumstantial evidence here, but if they were doing it with Twitter, it's hard to believe they're not doing it with Facebook, which is far bigger, far more destructive than Twitter ever dreamed of being because there's so many more people that are on Twitter or that are on Facebook and Instagram.
00:07:44.000And look, it's the same reason why, you know, the Chinese, it's highly likely that TikTok, which is really grabbing a lot of our young people, it's hard to believe that the Chinese aren't doing exactly the same thing, sucking up all this data, using artificial intelligence to essentially build a network and a dossier, so to speak, on every single American and young person that uses that uses TikTok.
00:08:07.000So look, it's just almost impossible seeing what they did at TikTok, seeing everything that they've done through the Rush Oaks.
00:08:15.000And we can go through countless examples.
00:08:17.000Look, I'll just name a quick few that come to the top of my head.
00:08:28.000The whole January 6 riots that now look infiltrated by people like, say, a Ray Epps, who nobody still knows why he hasn't been prosecuted or even put in jail.
00:08:39.000So these are all just simple questions of optimizing.
00:08:41.000If they're willing to do all that, hard to believe that they don't have informants at these big tech companies who can view into every aspect of our life, even if you're using the best of the VPNs and you keep all the notifications capabilities and search functions off of your phone.
00:09:00.000Pretty hard to believe that someone, that if they wanted to, these big tech companies, they could find out exactly who you're talking to, where you've been, where you're going, et cetera, et cetera.
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00:11:25.000It's because President Trump and I wanted to give the American people their voice back, but we also never wanted to be in a position like Parlor or like anyone else where we're beholden to, say, these 10 big giant tech companies that control everything.
00:12:18.000And I'm, and keep in mind, I'm not in San Francisco or LA, Charlie.
00:12:22.000I'm in this, you know, I'm in the central part of California.
00:12:26.000And I just have to believe that people aren't that stupid.
00:12:31.000People just don't think, well, hell, there's no sugar at Starbucks and there's bums all around and we got crime and people are getting shot and killed.
00:12:38.000I just have to think that it's a matter of people just don't know the truth.
00:12:44.000And so I think that's going to be key is promoting this new ecosystem.
00:12:49.000You know, if somehow, you know, Congress can take on and get those files, the rest of the files from Twitter, go after some of these big tech companies like Facebook and Instagram to see exactly what they've been doing.
00:13:00.000And then, of course, I think the priority that Congress can do because they don't have guns, they don't have a way to lock someone up is, yeah, they can fight on the margins on the funding.
00:13:11.000I agree with Cash on that, but it's going to be on the margins because you're going to have to get almost every single Republican to agree on something.
00:13:22.000They can't even agree right now on who their leader is going to be.
00:13:25.000And it's delaying, you know, they should be figuring out who should they be subpoenaing right now.
00:13:30.000You know, are the existing committees going to be enough?
00:13:34.000I mean, there's a lot that's on Jim Jordan and Comer's plate, both the chair of judiciary and the chair of the oversight committee.
00:13:43.000You know, look, I think you're going to need something like some type of commission, quite frankly, where you bring in outside people where they can look across all the different government platforms and truly do a big investigation.
00:13:57.000Because as I said in the last segment, sadly, it's not to, you know, I mean, look, it pisses me off, but it is what it is.
00:14:04.000You know, we're still living in this Russia hoax nightmare where Obama and Biden continue to cover their tracks.
00:14:13.000All these bad actors within the DOJ and the FBI are covering their tracks.
00:14:18.000You've got a lot of these people that are sitting at the top of the DOJ now that were either brought back or were burrowed in and never left.
00:14:25.000And so you have a crumbling system around us, which is creating this kind of nightmare situation that'll go back to what I just, what I started with in this segment, which is you got the tale of two different countries.
00:14:40.000Like you've got a California, which is going to hell, and you've got a Florida that's working really well.
00:14:46.000So these red states are going to get redder.
00:14:49.000They're going to come out of this recession even faster.
00:14:52.000And you're going to see these states like California that I think are in big trouble, where you've got 1% of the taxpayers paying over half the taxes or more in California.
00:15:12.000And that's why I appreciate what you do with Turning Point.
00:15:18.000I was, I don't know, I don't think you saw me, but I was there the other night at Mar-a-Lago, at least at the reception and the after party.
00:15:27.000It's recruiting young people and it's getting the message out because ultimately, you know, humans are smart or smart if they are armed with the information.
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00:16:47.000Joining us now is Kane, who runs Citizen Free Press, otherwise known as Citizen Kane.
00:16:54.000Citizen Kane, welcome back to the program.
00:17:38.000So when you eliminate that, and when we also don't have a Facebook page and our Twitter page exists, and it's Spencer Neal is doing a fantastic job with it.
00:17:50.000He used to write for the Washington Examiner for a while.
00:17:52.000But anyway, we don't use that Twitter page to drive traffic to the site.
00:17:56.000So in other words, 97% of the visitors every day to the site are people coming directly to the homepage.
00:18:03.000And so they're, you know, we do 100, 120, 130 stories a day.
00:18:07.000So they spend a really, really long time.
00:18:10.000So when you look at the, if you go deep into those similar web numbers, which are people can look at these publicly, it shows that our average length of visit last month was 31 minutes and 55 seconds.
00:18:23.000And to give you an idea of how that compares, for Breitbart, their average length was like two and a half minutes.
00:18:29.000And for Politico, it was about the same, about three minutes.
00:18:33.000So this long-winded answer to your question is: we get a whole bunch of, you know, a crazy amount of page views because we have really dedicated readers that come three or four times a day and they click on all different kinds of stories.
00:18:51.000You know, here we are, we're at 250 million.
00:18:54.000Our actual server number on Cloudflare, as well as my server company, was actually over 330 million.
00:19:02.000So we're about half the size of Drudge in terms of page views right now.
00:19:06.000But we only get about a fourth of the visits of, for example, of Breitbart and about a fourth of the visits of Drudge and about a fifth of the visits of Politico.
00:19:18.000It's just that when someone goes to Political, the average person stays there for a minute, 30, reads one story, and they leave.
00:22:24.000Every single component of it is rigged.
00:22:27.000And, you know, but we need to keep that.
00:22:30.000We need to keep educating that component of our base, as well as explaining to people and hopefully showing them that, you know, and then my thoughts are kind of disjoying, but I'll wrap it up where you really had it correct.
00:22:43.000And I sent you a private message about a month ago that you responded to when you were on Laura.
00:22:49.000And what it's really about is in the states where we can't change the ballot box laws and the Dropbox laws, we have to embrace it.
00:23:00.000We have to have Dropboxes at conservative events, at little leagues.
00:23:05.000So I think you win it by, or we win this debate by, you know, trying to drive home to people that everything isn't rigged.
00:24:11.000You know, the last question you asked to Tom Fitton as you went to break, which was, you know, which is about how to regular ordinary citizens get justice, it sort of ties back into this.
00:24:47.000And look, I'm telling you, Kane, you have such a fabulous finger on the pulse, which is so rare because a lot of these people who pretend like they're in touch with general audience, they're not, right?
00:25:33.000After the 2020 election in November, and we knew we had the double runoffs coming in in Georgia, as you remember, I remember telling Tyler O'Neill, who was the managing editor of PJ Media at the time, he and I were talking privately.
00:25:45.000I was like, Tyler, we're going to lose both these races.
00:26:40.000And I think the number, you know, whatever, we've seen numbers from 10 to 30 to 50,000, even higher were, you know, and that's the hardest thing.
00:26:49.000If there were some way we could get our hands on the number of people who didn't vote, who went to one, who went to one voting center in Maricopa, went to a second voting center, went to a third.
00:27:07.000Well, look, as I, you know, if you were following the site, I was doing Charlie Kirk headlines, Carrie Lake Warroom headlines, and Abe Hamada headlines nonstop for two weeks.
00:27:20.000You know, these are, these are just such great fighters.
00:27:33.000So, of course, I'm slightly skeptical and pessimistic that he's going to officially get it, but could, I mean, good heavens.
00:27:41.000Yeah, if you're asking my opinion, I think Abe won by, would have, in a fair thing, would have won by thousands.
00:27:46.000And one last thing I'll say: Tracy Beans at Uncovered DC has two great articles in the last 24 hours about a heat map, a Maricopa County vote, expected Republican and Democratic voter heat map that they had it plastered on the walls.
00:28:02.000And apparently, those things, according to Rich Barris, are super expensive to produce.
00:28:08.000And they just raise more questions about, you know, look, the conspiracy guy and all of us is saying they knew that we were going to turn out big on election day in Maricopa.
00:28:19.000And did anybody, was there someone, a rogue actor with those tabulators?
00:28:25.000You know, was somebody screwing with something just to make our lives more difficult?
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00:31:54.000I've put up at least five different links trying to break down the different aspects because both her lawsuit and Abe's lawsuit, they are complicated, but they're working.
00:32:04.000You know, people need to take the time to see what's in them.
00:32:30.000I like it because I could, you know what I love, Kane, is that you empower your audience to kind of go through the buffet line of the news items, right?
00:34:15.000You know, it's tough when you do what you do or what I do, and you've got to sort of try to stay above it and process all of this and let it sort of flow into your brain through osmosis.
00:34:24.000You know, you just sort of have to sit above.
00:36:05.000I actually think it's not, I don't think it's DC.
00:36:07.000I think they want a spectacle in Georgia that hurts him in the battleground state of Georgia in suburban voters there and puts it on display.