00:00:57.000He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:01:03.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:47.000Is Trump stronger than you thought he would be now facing 600 years in federal prison?
00:01:52.000Yeah, thanks for having me on, Charlie.
00:01:54.000And I would say an emphatic yes to your first question.
00:01:57.000You know, that was the big, right, when you and I were dealing with this three months ago, five months ago, that was our big unknown, right?
00:02:04.000Is we knew the indictments were coming, but we didn't know how the voters would respond.
00:02:09.000And so we were sort of looking, you know, as much as we hate polls and know all the problems with polls, that was our only way forward.
00:02:17.000And we've been sort of looking for this.
00:02:19.000So there was a poll out yesterday done after the most recent Georgia indictment.
00:02:25.000And Trump, you know, well, I think the last time I was on, we talked about one poll.
00:02:33.000That was McLaughlin or McLaughlin poll.
00:02:36.000And then a poll came out yesterday, Wall Street Journal, showing him dead even with Biden.
00:02:41.000And we've started to see these sort of fearful articles from Washington Post and New York Times just wringing their hands, wondering, why aren't Trump's numbers, why aren't his poll numbers falling?
00:02:53.000So I think we have the first answer to the question, which is the lay of the land, four indictments out.
00:03:04.000And now we'll just have to sort of cross our fingers and watch if this changes as we head into the actual trials.
00:03:13.000So the Republican primary seems largely to be over.
00:03:17.000Now, talk for a second, Kane, and we'll play some pieces of tape here to reinforce this.
00:03:20.000The media is now waking up that these indictments did not have the effect that they would have hoped, that Donald Trump is now turning into a martyr.
00:03:32.000Without a doubt, I mean, I'm sure you saw what happened on Twitter after the Fulton County thing.
00:03:37.000We had, it seemed like a pretty large percentage of the black voter population in Atlanta suddenly jumped to Trump's side.
00:03:46.000I think Jack Smith and Merrick Garland probably, you know, like all the never Trumpers on the Republican side, I think they completely underestimated this.
00:03:58.000And I weren't exactly sure how the electorate would react to all these indictments.
00:04:02.000And I think that they just bought into conventional wisdom and assumed that as soon as these indictments started to flow, that the electorate would turn away.
00:04:11.000And they had no idea that it might actually not only turn people away, but it might grab some independents who normally wouldn't lean for Trump, who suddenly see, hey, the system is stacked against him.
00:04:24.000So I think, you know, Charlie, six months ago, we could not have, knowing that these indictments were coming, we could not have asked for a better first six-week outcome in the polls than we've had.
00:04:37.000I totally see it exactly the same way.
00:04:39.000I want to play a piece of tape here that reinforces it.
00:05:08.000So, Kane, this is going to come down to just a couple states, a couple counties.
00:05:12.000Isn't this exactly what we've been saying for the last seven or eight months?
00:05:15.000Yeah, and that was a great find with that clip.
00:05:18.000It's on the if people want to watch that full discussion.
00:05:21.000It's on or in the stack from yesterday, which you found.
00:05:27.000You were the one who originally found it.
00:05:28.000And that's what you've been talking about.
00:05:30.000You know, this is a six or this is a three or four swing state, six or seven county deal.
00:05:36.000It's part of the why Turning Point USA has funded Scott Pressler and his movement in Wisconsin to the tune of 5 million, even though Ron, you know, Ronna Romney and the RNC are nowhere to be found.
00:05:49.000And I think, you know, I think, again, it was sort of the arrogance of the left.
00:05:53.000They've always, no matter how many times they've been proven wrong, they've always thought the next indictment or the next shoe to drop was going to be the one that brought down Trump.
00:06:01.000I think they ought to be able to see at this point that the guy is Teflon.
00:06:04.000It doesn't, you know, the base, the base is sticking with Trump no matter what.
00:06:09.000As you said two minutes ago, sort of the primary seems to be a fait accompli at this point.
00:06:14.000And so the left has continually underestimated the base and they underestimated how people would react to these indictments and see them as overkill.
00:07:32.000Well, I've been doing two or three headlines on it every single day.
00:07:35.000Yesterday, the Washington Poise, Washington Post joined the chorus.
00:07:40.000There's a lot of things happening here, so I'll spit them out.
00:07:42.000We've had the Arizona Secretary of State already say that it's not going to happen in Arizona, that Arizona law will not allow a 14th Amendment challenge to Trump.
00:07:53.000So Trump is going to be safe in Arizona, but we know that Jocelyn Benson, the Secretary of State in Michigan, has already said that she's, you know, not only is she looking at this, but she gave away some interesting details in the articles.
00:08:06.000She said that she's talking on a daily basis with other secretaries of state in other blue states about just this issue.
00:08:13.000So there's some coordination going on regarding this 14th Amendment.
00:08:17.000And I'm sure, you know, you read this stuff like I do, right?
00:08:19.000So I'm reading hundreds of these articles a day.
00:08:23.000Some of them pertain to the 14th Amendment.
00:08:24.000And you know what's in every single 14th Amendment article?
00:08:28.000The first thing they bring up are the Republicans at, I believe it was Heritage.
00:08:33.000I could be wrong if it wasn't Heritage Foundation, but it was a couple of Republicans.
00:08:36.000And then they lead right into the Larry tribe.
00:08:39.000So they try to claim that this 14th Amendment movement is somehow bipartisan.
00:08:43.000You know, and it's incredibly infuriating because we know that 90% of the Republican base absolutely would not support this.
00:08:50.000And we've even seen in polls that independents feel that this is, you know, that this is bad pool.
00:09:08.000You were the one who alerted me to it.
00:09:09.000We've been watching your show, my site.
00:09:12.000We've been watching this closely for two months, and it's really, really been rolling out in the last three, four weeks.
00:09:17.000But last thing I'm going to say is, and all of these articles on the 14th Amendment, when you finally get down to the last couple of paragraphs, they all admit that this is going to be that these are long shots and that this is going to be decided by the Supreme Court.
00:09:32.000So whether it's California or what other blue state decides to bring this up first, I think it will quickly go to the Supreme Court, who will, and this is purely my opinion, but I think they will want to put an end to this as quickly as possible so that there are no issues when producing ballots for all of these states.
00:09:48.000And so I think we're going to slide by this one, but we're definitely watching it closely.
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00:11:09.000You have the video at citizenfreepress.com as if they're trying to storm the beach.
00:11:13.000Again, more firepower, more artillery against American citizens than the foreigners invading and border jumping into our country on the southern border.
00:11:47.000I just wanted to double check because I quickly read the public statement, Liberty Safe.
00:11:52.000Now that this is kind of blowing up on social media and people are calling for a boycott, Liberty Safe issued a second, you know, public statement, and I can read from it.
00:12:02.000You know, one of the craziest parts of it is says Liberty Safe had no knowledge of any of the details surrounding the investigation at the time.
00:12:11.000So what they're saying in their statement is, as long as we get a warrant, we will comply 100%.
00:12:17.000And they showed, and then they went ahead and admitted that they didn't do any investigation.
00:14:16.000That's, yeah, that little tidbit you just supplied was stunning.
00:14:21.000So, you know, they're like every other tech company, every other company we deal with when, you know, hire an outside service to get access to your own product, your own property.
00:14:31.000But the, you know, within minutes from the FBI providing them with a warrant, they turn it over.
00:14:38.000Here's it, you know, they missed a huge opportunity here.
00:14:40.000Charlie, you and I should be in charge, should be involved in these corporate boards.
00:14:44.000Imagine if they had taken the opposite tack and they said, no, we're going to go public with this.
00:14:49.000We're going to turn this into the biggest First Amendment, Second Amendment case of the last two or three years.
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00:17:41.000Dr. Gorka, thank you for taking the time.
00:17:42.000Dr. Gorka, no real agenda for us to talk about in particular, but one thing I do want to ask you about is I believe we're living through an attempt by the bad guys to demoralize our base.
00:17:55.000I'm seeing our side grow stronger in resolve.
00:17:58.000Talk about the psychological warfare of how Marxists attempt to try to break the resolve of the core base of a political party to take over a country.
00:18:08.000Well, look, first things first, the proof of the lie that we're losing steam and momentum is what you did Monday before last when we heard about this rhinos secretary of state in New Hampshire scandal and trying to remove President Trump from the ballots.
00:18:26.000You unleashed the hammers of hell on your show.
00:19:21.000If you haven't seen it, Yuri, just watch the short version.
00:19:24.000The short version, he says, you can demoralize a whole nation.
00:19:28.000It takes about 10 to 12 years, and you do it in the schools.
00:19:31.000And within 10 years, if you allow the children to doubt the veracity of the values upon which the nation is founded, you've taken control of that country.
00:19:42.000Yuri Besmanov told us, and that's, I think, why you created Turning Point USA, because that's how we stop them, Charlie, and that's what you're doing.
00:19:52.000And it takes effort and it takes deliberate obedience to the values you care about, to the divine, to not allow these intentional demoralization tactics to wear you down.
00:20:04.000And so there's this clip from Donna Brazil.
00:20:06.000We played it a couple times yesterday, but I'm going to paraphrase it and we might play it again, Dr. Gorka.
00:20:10.000But I want your reaction where she basically said, I've never seen a movement quite like this.
00:20:15.000And yes, the odds are stacked against us, right?
00:20:18.000They have the intel agencies, they have the major corporations, they have obviously the media, they have social media.
00:20:24.000Donald Trump is facing 600 years in prison.
00:22:37.000What kind of man can go to Hawaii, stand in front of people who've lost loved ones, who've had everything burnt to the ground, and say, well, once I almost lost my Corvette.
00:22:47.000I mean, these are really soulless individuals.
00:22:50.000But at the end of the day, they're also clinically imbeciles.
00:24:05.000You know, there's a point at which you just have to decide who will bear fruit, where the seed should be scattered in such a way that it actually grows.
00:24:18.000If you go back to Jesus' parable about the seas sown on the path, if you look at the rhinos, if you look at the Christie's or even the Pencees, at some point you've got to realize they're not in it for America.
00:24:33.000It's either ego, it's either status quo, and you move.
00:25:13.000Focus your efforts on those people who will bear fruit.
00:25:18.000And also, remember the catalytic power of key issues.
00:25:22.000Yes, we've got to talk about clean elections.
00:25:24.000Yes, we've got to talk about de-weaponizing the justice system.
00:25:28.000But I think, and tell me if I'm wrong, because you have a real feel for what's the pulse of the general public.
00:25:33.000I think the transgender movement is the Damascene moment when the scales fall from the eyes.
00:25:41.000You don't have to be deeply imbued in politics, but when a girl who's been swimming for six years is at the highest level as an athlete in high school or college and that gets it all dashed away because of a guy who says he's a woman suddenly, or when a grown man goes into a girl's locker room, that's when the average person goes, no.
00:26:05.000And I want everybody to watch the video of you at that event.
00:26:09.000I think it was a religious event where you said, where are the fathers?
00:26:14.000At those swim meets, I mean, you had some righteous indignation.
00:26:18.000I've been channeling that as much as I can, because if you're a father of a girl who's at one of those events competing and along comes, you know, Will Thomas pretending to be Leah, you should be making a human wall around that swimming pool and saying, you do not get, that man does not get in that pool with my daughter.
00:26:38.000So wake up and take responsibility for your country and your family.
00:26:45.000To answer the point you make, yes, the trans thing, as Ernest Hemingway said, I think it's happening gradually than suddenly, the awakening.
00:26:53.000I mean, tonight we have Riley Gaines tonight at an event and we're interviewing her.
00:26:59.000And she's the perfect spokesperson for this because she's not political.
00:27:03.000She had a championship legitimately robbed by a freak and no one stood up for her.
00:27:33.000I want you to listen carefully to the word selection of Mr. Pence, Play Cut 27.
00:27:38.000Our digital team got a copy of your speech today, Bill.
00:27:41.000And one of the lines you're set to deliver is that, are we going to follow the siren song of populism away from the timeless conservative principles of the Republican Party?
00:27:55.000Well, look, you look at this Republican field, whether it's my former running mate or some of his imitators.
00:28:02.000And there is a push in this Republican primary to move us away from our party's historic commitment to American leadership on the world stage, to a commitment to fiscal responsibility and reform in the face of a massive national debt crisis.
00:28:19.000And many of those people I shared the stage with, including my former running mate who wasn't there, want to marginalize the right to life and relegate it to a state's only issue.
00:28:33.000He doesn't have the wherewithal, the spine, the testicular fortitude to use the man's name and to try and say that he's weak on the right to life.
00:29:20.000Time to take a stand for life, everybody.
00:29:22.000We can say we're pro-life, but what does that actually mean?
00:29:24.000In a pro-Roe versus Wade world, there are states that are more radically pro-death than ever before, aborting babies up until the moment they draw their first breath.
00:30:20.000Remember, so this is just another just kind of piece of data on the trans thing.
00:30:25.000This thing has not got, this story has not received as much attention as the Riley Gaines, Mr. Thomas freak.
00:30:31.000Let's first cut 41, MSNBC talking about a biological man who forced his way into a sorority who gets an erection watching girls change.
00:30:40.000The court said that the biological man is allowed into this sorority, play cut 41.
00:30:46.000Wyoming and made history last fall as the first openly transgender woman to join a sorority.
00:30:51.000Being the first can be incredibly hard, and this case is no exception.
00:30:57.000But this week brought some very good news for Artemis.
00:31:00.000Artemis Langford scored a major legal victory when a judge dismissed a suit brought by six fellow members of her Kappa Kappa Gamma sorority who sued to kick her out of the chapter over her trans identity.
00:31:41.000I want people to know that everything that they've experienced, that I'm certainly not the first trans person to ever be attacked by elements in the media.
00:31:55.000I want people to know that it's never okay for that kind of scrutiny on a person just because of their identity, just because I'm trans.
00:32:07.000Every day that they can be themselves is a good day for us all.
00:32:12.000Dr. Gorka, biological man, the court says biological men find to go into kappa, kappa, gamma, sorority or reaction.
00:32:19.000The host called that thing brave and unique.
00:32:24.000Just look at the visage of that individual.
00:33:01.000And now sexual perverts get to sit in the lounge of the soriety and stare as they play with themselves as the real women walk around in what?
00:33:59.000It was always, it was about making femininity, okay, don't stay at home, go into the workforce, freeze your eggs, go start up.
00:34:05.000So it would actually make sense, Dr. Gorka.
00:34:08.000The feminists are cheering this on because the next natural step of a young lady freezing her eggs, becoming a corporate partner, becoming a law firm partner, and having a bunch of cats and not kids is just do the last thing, become the man, Dr. Gorka.
00:34:40.000And this is where the subsidiarity, this is where the Republic, you know, the state, the Republic of States is so essential.
00:34:47.000This must be fought, not just when President Trump, God willing, if we do our part, comes back to the White House, but at the state's level.
00:34:54.000So many states have said, no, this must not happen.
00:34:57.000The idea that a 12-year-old can't buy a packet of cigarettes or get a tattoo, but they can have their genitals removed without supposed to make them happy without their parents.
00:35:09.000And that's supposed to make them happy.
00:35:11.000I mean, it's like Jordan Peterson, who's a clinical psychiatrist, says there is no condition, no mental condition where we affirm the condition.
00:35:19.000If I walk into a psychiatrist and say, I'm Napoleon, or I've got 48 identities, we don't say, oh, congratulations, you're Napoleon.