00:00:11.000We have Vernon Jones, who stole the show on Monday evening at the Republican National Convention, where I also spoke here on the Charlie Kirk Show, a black Democrat voting for Donald Trump.
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00:02:00.000Hey, everybody, welcome to this episode of the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:02.000I am joined by Vernon Jones, who spoke at the Republican National Convention.
00:02:06.000We both spoke together on the opening night.
00:02:09.000Vernon Jones is a former Democrat or is a Democrat.
00:02:13.000I want to have him say it for himself.
00:02:15.000Vernon, welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.
00:02:17.000Tell us your story and tell us why you support President Trump.
00:02:31.000The things that they embrace now, such as no bores, turning their back on law enforcement, how the Democratic Party has treated African Americans.
00:02:41.000Although we've been a captive audience to them for the past 30, 45 years, they haven't done anything to produce.
00:02:47.000When I look at President Donald Trump, he has a track record of getting things done.
00:03:02.000Because that is not the conventional perspective of the mainstream activist press.
00:03:07.000They say that President Trump is an enemy of black people.
00:03:11.000Can you just walk us through that, especially for some of our listeners and viewers that don't always hear the perspective that you have?
00:03:18.000Well, the liberal media is part of what I call the slave masters.
00:03:24.000They're the ones who literally plant, I would say, those agent provocateurs to attack independent thinking black men like me and women from coming off the plantation.
00:03:37.000Because they don't want us to be able to think independently.
00:03:39.000And I think that was clearly demonstrated in a couple of more recent examples.
00:03:43.000One, Joe Biden talking about if you don't vote for him, you ain't black.
00:03:47.000Two, when he said that black people's thinking are not as diverse as Latinos.
00:03:52.000And then more recently, again, with the liberal media, MSNBC, when you saw me doing an interview with Craig Melvin, because I was telling him why I support this president based on his policies and based on his positions and what he's done directly for the African-American community, he didn't want to hear that.
00:04:10.000What he wanted to hear was what he asked me was, and that was what he asked me.
00:04:14.000I'm sure someone whispered in his ear, but he said, are you being paid by the Trump organization?
00:04:30.000Ironically, it was a reporter that was being paid, and that station is being paid to attack Donald Trump and not let African Americans feel that they have people who feel and express the way themselves the way I do come on their show without being attacked and run back into a hole.
00:04:47.000But they didn't know I'm not like Joe Biden.
00:04:49.000I'm not one of those, what you call those things that come out every year trying to determine what the weather's going to be like.
00:05:18.000And what specifically has moved you to be a Trump supporter now in 2020, speaking at the convention?
00:05:24.000Well, when I saw him come down to escalator, like many others with Mrs. Trump and heard what he had to say, I said, you know what, this man is talking my kind of talk.
00:05:36.000I think maybe 76 plus songs were made, rap songs too, that featured Donald Trump.
00:05:44.000Donald Trump had an amazing relationship with African Americans, from Jesse Jackson to Al Shapton to Jay-Z and all the others, including Herschel Walker.
00:06:47.000And Donald Trump stood up to foreign countries and brought them to the table so they could pay their fair share.
00:06:51.000We have now real fair trade agreements.
00:06:55.000What he's done for this country prior to the pandemic, record number of jobs, and certainly in the black community, small businesses and others.
00:07:02.000I will give the credit to Obama and the mixed Congress tenure.
00:07:06.000They did stop the bleeding with the economy.
00:07:09.000But when Donald Trump came on board, understanding business, understanding Wall Street and trade, he set this economy on steroids.
00:07:17.000That's why we're still seeing, even in this pandemic, gains in the stock market and record gains in many other places.
00:07:25.000So this president is on target and he supports law enforcement.
00:07:48.000I think the support among white people is greater.
00:07:50.000I'm not only just in a black community, I'm in the white community.
00:07:53.000The problem is, whites don't want to say that they support Donald Trump because they don't want to be called racist, and blacks don't want to say they support Donald Trump because they don't want to be called a sellout.
00:08:43.000So those traditional liberal networks that's always anti-Donald Trump, they got a chance to hear and see from people across this country in all sectors, from first responders to business people to people like me, what this president is really about.
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00:10:26.000It was one of my favorite lines the entire evening.
00:10:29.000Well, actually, Chuck Schumer actually, I think, wore a dashiki.
00:10:34.000The point of it is they panicked because no other candidate, presidential candidate, and I will say this: both Democrat and Republican has worked as hard to earn the black vote running for office as President Donald Trump.
00:10:49.000No other, going back to probably John Kennedy.
00:10:53.000And that's because President Trump knows black people.
00:10:56.000President Trump has worked with black people.
00:11:01.000He's contributed to black presidential candidates, elections.
00:11:06.000And so this president is not foreign to black people.
00:11:09.000And the Democrats always had that captive audience.
00:11:13.000They can always have someone to scare a Republican candidate away if they even give the impression or gave the impression they wanted to try to earn the black vote.
00:11:22.000And they got afraid and they would get afraid and run away.
00:11:25.000But President Trump, they cannot run him away.
00:11:29.000That kind of goes back to him being a non-traditional candidate and a non-politician.
00:11:42.000He showed that when he beat all those elected officials, governors, congressmen, and the senators, because he's competitive in nature.
00:11:50.000And that's why the world leaders are afraid of Donald Trump, because Donald Trump can checkmate them and he's beating them at their own game.
00:11:57.000And so I'm not at all dissuade because the Democratic Party's panic.
00:12:04.000I recognize that, hell, they're panicking because of me, because normally they would beat up a black or beat up a Democrat that came out for Republican, only though, if they're black.
00:12:16.000If they're white, they're given a free ride.
00:12:19.000Zell Miller not only supported George Bush for reelection, but Zell Miller spoke at the Republican convention.
00:12:26.000No Democrat said a damn thing about it.
00:12:28.000We've had conservative congressmen from Georgia, Democrats, voted against almost everything Obama put on the table, but the Democratic Party would give them a pass.
00:12:36.000But when a black independent thinking man or woman does that, the bigotry comes out there.
00:12:46.000As a matter of fact, even the Democratic Senatorial Committee, when I ran for U.S. Senate, they don't go out and support and recruit African-American candidates.
00:15:37.000So if you started to peel that wrapper back, Charlie, there's some interesting things.
00:15:42.000I'll tell you one more that's going to probably knock you off your feet.
00:15:46.000Why is it that the Democratic Party cannot select a presidential candidate or vice presidential candidate that have both parents that are black?
00:16:11.000And the rulers of the Democrat Party, not necessarily the Democrat voters, they are some of the most racist people I've ever dealt with in my life.
00:16:17.000I mean, it's not, I mean, they went straight from the KKK into the leadership of the Democrat Party, and they want free-thinking black individuals who got nowhere near leadership of their party in the Senate and Congress, decision-making, all up and down.
00:16:30.000They want it to be a party that's no different than how they ran plantations back in the 1830s.
00:17:11.000That's what the liberals are doing to Democrats.
00:17:14.000And Black Lives Matter, you know this, Charlie, as well as I do.
00:17:18.000Black Lives Matter were founded by lesbians, and they don't support the traditional black family, having a black male in the house as a father figure.
00:19:07.000First of all, we should be giving more funding to police, not less funding.
00:19:11.000You know, I was fortunate enough to command a large police department.
00:19:14.000And in that police department, and most people will tell you, law enforcement officers only get that psychological examination during the hiring process.
00:19:22.000But after that, they don't get it throughout the year.
00:19:25.000So let's say you're an officer, you've been on the street five years and you've been dealing with this.
00:19:29.000Nobody has given you a psychological examination to see where you are mentally.
00:19:34.000Should we put you in a different position?
00:19:36.000Because those things can make a difference when our officers make a decision between use of force, daily use of force, versus non-lethal, or how to de-escalate a situation.
00:19:55.000And they need more money for training, like in Georgia, for example.
00:19:59.000A police officer gets two hours a year in de-escalation.
00:20:04.000They only get two hours a year also for use of force.
00:20:08.000We need more money to give them more training.
00:20:10.000And so when you're talking about defunding police, why don't we take, and matter of fact, Charlie, you know, they were talking about replacing domestic calls with social workers.
00:20:23.000Well, domestic calls are some of the most dangerous calls you can make.
00:20:27.000And who's going to protect the social worker?
00:20:29.000So if they don't think security is that important, they don't think supporting law enforcement is that important, then why don't they just give up their security and give them a couple of social workers?
00:20:40.000I think they need some social workers based on how they're thinking.
00:21:04.000But, you know, you just blindly just, and you look at these Democratic cities, when I say Democratic cities, cities led by Democrats, almost every one of them have turned their back on law enforcement.
00:21:18.000And those suburban white moms that they're saying that President Trump doesn't have, he needs to target, they're seeing those Antifa and Black Lives Matter folks coming out into their neighborhoods now.
00:22:07.000I think we all can agree that Black Lives Matter.
00:22:10.000Now, I think there's some legitimate discussions where if a white young teenager goes missing and she's blonde, blue-eyed, a lot more liberal media attention comes to that.
00:22:21.000When a black young teenager girl goes missing, it does not get the same amount of attention.
00:22:28.000Now, that's the media doing that, the liberal media that's doing that.
00:22:32.000Now, but at the end of the day, Black lives do matter.
00:22:37.000I think I would have said Black Lives Matter too.
00:22:57.000But don't come and fool people and talk about it's about saving black lives.
00:23:01.000And you only want to jump and shout and scream and riot when a white officer is involved in a shooting versus children being shot down every weekend in Chicago and it's hashtag Black Lives Crickets.
00:23:17.000And how is, what about the police officer, the former police chief in St. Louis was shot down, killed on the streets of St. Louis providing protection at a friend's business.
00:23:33.000Why wasn't that officer's funeral made national news where they cover that funeral, the entire funeral of a law enforcement officer, not clips of it, but why not do that the same way you did George Floyd?
00:23:49.000All right, because Black Lives Matter.
00:23:52.000So the hypocrisy of Black Lives Matter, because in reality, all Black lives do not matter to Black Lives Matter.
00:24:00.000What matters to Black Lives Matter is that left agenda where they're getting the mozzarella from, the George Zoros and the other organizations who's funding them to carry out their destruction of this country.
00:24:13.000In the Black community, is there a little bit of uneasiness about the amount of rioting and looting and arson and crime that is being spread?
00:24:20.000Because the media makes it seem as if BLM Incorporated is nothing but popular and supported in the Black community.
00:24:28.000Well, what's interesting, you really have more white people rioting, looting, and destroying neighborhoods because there are not many black people in Seattle, Portland, and some of these other cities.
00:24:41.000So to make it like a black thing, are white people afraid of what these groups are doing?
00:24:47.000Stop trying to pit black against white.
00:24:50.000I believe white people are just as afraid as me and any other black person with a normal sense who want to protect their families, want to protect their property, who want to save neighborhoods.
00:25:01.000So I don't understand why they're not asking white people, aren't you afraid of Antifa and Black Lives Matter coming to the suburbs and making a big deal out of that?
00:25:24.000What do you think the president has to do to continue to expand the support amongst former Democrats such as yourself or even people that are supporting President Trump as a Democrat?
00:25:34.000Not just in the black community, but what really do you think is the most persuasive line of argumentation for the president to be able to win this election and get people over into the Trump campaign?
00:25:45.000Well, first of all, I like now that the president, when he does his press conferences, it's just him.
00:25:50.000When he rolls out his staff, the media is intentionally trying to get one person to disagree with just one person one time to disagree with the president and it's all over the place.
00:25:59.000You and I and American people know that Dr. Farsey and the liberal media first said when Trump took a step to stop the spread by banning travel from China, they said that, oh, this is nothing more than a flu.
00:26:13.000Well, okay, we found out later that wasn't the case.
00:26:17.000There were times when Dr. Farsi and others say, well, you don't have to wear a mask.
00:26:20.000So now they want to make a big deal out of a mask.
00:26:44.000I've opened up the floodgates, allowing these private organizations to jump over a lot of these restrictions that should have been changed long time ago and allowing the private sector to do what they do best.
00:26:59.000In the meantime, continue to provide best practices, get tools and resources to first responders and governments pushing out the states and try to make, you know, get those things out to those who need them most.
00:27:12.000But more importantly, Charlie, because he's testimonying of the country and we're face masks, you could not find them.
00:27:57.000And so no other president has had to deal with something like this in our generation.
00:28:01.000So, but I think he's doing a hell of a job and just stayed a core and talk about his record of accomplishments and talk about what he has in pipe for the next four years.
00:28:12.000Well, Vernon, you are an American hero.
00:28:14.000Thank you for supporting our president and thank you for being such a heroic voice.
00:28:19.000Any way that people can stay in touch with you, social media, otherwise, or ways that they can support you?
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