The Charlie Kirk Show - June 03, 2024


Ending Republican Weakness for Good


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Today's guest is Charlie Kirk, the President of Turning Point USA, a powerful youth organization dedicated to fighting for freedom on college campuses across the country. Charlie is a force to be reckoned with! Today's episode is a must listen!

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, Tan Charlie Kirk Show.
00:00:01.000 Benny Johnson, Blake Knap, Josh Hammer.
00:00:04.000 We discuss why are Republicans so weak?
00:00:07.000 Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:00:11.000 As always, you can send us your thoughts and you can get involved with TurningPointUSA at tpusa.com.
00:00:18.000 That is tpusa.com.
00:00:20.000 And email us your thoughts, freedom at charliekirk.com and become a member, members.charlikirk.com.
00:00:26.000 That is members.charlikirk.com.
00:00:29.000 Buckle up, everybody.
00:00:30.000 Here we go.
00:00:31.000 Charlie, what you've done is incredible here.
00:00:33.000 Maybe Charlie Kirk is on the college campus.
00:00:35.000 I want you to know we are lucky to have Charlie Kirk.
00:00:38.000 Charlie Kirk's running the White House, folks.
00:00:41.000 I want to thank Charlie.
00:00:42.000 He's an incredible guy.
00:00:43.000 His spirit, his love of this country.
00:00:45.000 He's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created.
00:00:51.000 Turning point USA. 0.65
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00:01:29.000 They are counting on your surrender.
00:01:34.000 If you give up, they win.
00:01:36.000 But what if we look back and we realize we were just inches away from victory and that's when we decided to give up?
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00:02:50.000 Benny Johnson, who is the host of the Benny Show, a TPUSA contributor and a great friend.
00:02:55.000 Benny, your reaction to Donald Trump being convicted.
00:02:59.000 Yeah, so the MAGA hat stays on.
00:03:01.000 Looks good on you, Charlie.
00:03:02.000 I haven't seen you in one of those in a while.
00:03:04.000 Where's your MAGA hat?
00:03:05.000 Benny?
00:03:06.000 What a good hat are you?
00:03:08.000 You'll never see me in any hat.
00:03:09.000 I don't look good in that.
00:03:11.000 I still have hair.
00:03:11.000 Okay, so I still have hair.
00:03:13.000 I think I've seen you in a hat.
00:03:15.000 I'm going to fact-check you on that.
00:03:16.000 I think I got it.
00:03:17.000 I don't wear hats.
00:03:18.000 I still have hair, and I'm not going to encourage any, I'm not going to encourage any retreat up here by wearing hats.
00:03:27.000 So you just, you won't find me in a hat regularly, and you won't find me retreating.
00:03:32.000 And you're not seeing Donald Trump retreat.
00:03:34.000 And I'm here to bring tidings of great joy to your audience, Charlie, because there is no retreat, and there is no surrender, and there is no cope, and there are no tears on our side.
00:03:45.000 In fact, the only difference from yesterday to today is that there are tens of millions more MAGA voters, more Donald Trump voters than there were yesterday.
00:03:56.000 There are hundreds of thousands more Donald Trump donators than there were yesterday.
00:04:03.000 The people who have decided to reach into their pocketbook or to reach into a ballot box and pull the lever for Donald Trump increased exponentially yesterday by every available metric.
00:04:15.000 The Trump campaign raised $36 million in six hours.
00:04:20.000 That's a world record.
00:04:22.000 To put that in perspective, Joe Biden raised $50 million the entire month of last month.
00:04:27.000 But I think I'm getting ahead of myself here when I say this will be the biggest political backlash in American history.
00:04:36.000 And to understand why, it's actually far less about Donald Trump than it is about who we are as Americans, as a people, as Americans as a people, like deep in our DNA is the revolutionaries who started this country.
00:04:53.000 Every single signer, every signatory of the Declaration of Independence is a felon.
00:04:58.000 Every one of them signed a document that said, I am a criminal now under the laws of the British Empire.
00:05:06.000 Some founders of that founders and some signers of that document were tried and put in prison.
00:05:13.000 Some died penniless.
00:05:15.000 Some were executed.
00:05:16.000 The signers of the Declaration of Independence, who are memorialized and turned into monuments all throughout Washington, D.C. now, that that document itself, the felony document, the Declaration of Independence, is now encased in bulletproof glass and gold in the National Archives in a nuclear-proof bunker because we respect felons.
00:05:36.000 We respect revolutionaries in this country.
00:05:39.000 And the revolutionaries changed the world.
00:05:41.000 They're guaranteed persecution.
00:05:44.000 But through that persecution, whether it's an apostle or a prophet or Joan of Arc or Nelson Mandela or the signers of the Declaration of Independence, the felons, the criminals standing against evil tyrannical systems, they end up changing the world.
00:05:59.000 And we remember them.
00:06:00.000 And so I look forward to the Trump monument in D.C. one day when we'll look back on him fondly as a founding felon father.
00:06:08.000 Founding felon father.
00:06:10.000 Benny, you are one of the most viral people in the movement.
00:06:13.000 You understand the internet really well.
00:06:16.000 Give our audience who is not as in tune, how did this perform act on the internet yesterday?
00:06:25.000 Who won?
00:06:26.000 Was it Wynn Biden favored Trump?
00:06:29.000 What were the independent minders, people saying the influencers, the non-political people?
00:06:34.000 Give us a vibe check.
00:06:36.000 Yeah.
00:06:37.000 So the vibe check.
00:06:38.000 I mean, I have here in front of me on my computer hundreds of posts on X.
00:06:43.000 This is what people are posting publicly that they've never voted for Donald Trump before.
00:06:48.000 They don't like Donald Trump.
00:06:50.000 They hate Donald Trump, in fact, and they're now donating to Donald Trump.
00:06:54.000 Professors from the University of Chicago, RFK campaign staffers saying now they're voting Trump.
00:07:01.000 RFK himself defending Donald Trump.
00:07:04.000 The entire unified freedom movement saying this isn't the country that we want to live in.
00:07:10.000 And it's an important moment to take a step back and also realize that the sort of psychosexual orgasmic cringe display that we expected from the left isn't materializing, Charlie.
00:07:24.000 Why is that?
00:07:25.000 It's a little strange, isn't it?
00:07:27.000 Like, why aren't we seeing the celebrations in the streets and the ticker tape?
00:07:31.000 Because I think that they know they done effed up, Charlie.
00:07:34.000 They didn't actually, they weren't planning on this being the one that got across the finish line.
00:07:39.000 They can't defend this.
00:07:42.000 And they are going, they are now shake.
00:07:45.000 Every time that a leftist opens up George Conway, every time takes his pudgy little fingers and opens up his social media, he is fearful of seeing the next round of polling or the next round of donation numbers because they know what they've, what they've just done here is effectively, again, put Nelson Mandela in prison.
00:08:06.000 You've made a political prisoner out of your enemy.
00:08:09.000 You've given him the story that he needed to run on.
00:08:15.000 He already had a great story, Donald Trump.
00:08:17.000 No one's crystallized it better than you, Charlie, but this just adds a shocking and wonderful chapter to the story of Trump.
00:08:27.000 And it's unifying, in fact.
00:08:29.000 The more they indict, the more we unite.
00:08:32.000 That is exactly right.
00:08:32.000 I love that.
00:08:34.000 And we saw, I mean, $39 million raised, huge amounts of support coming out of the woodwork.
00:08:41.000 And so, Benny, let me understand this: that even the weak Republicans were speaking out against this.
00:08:49.000 Even some of the more moderate wing, they found this to be an aghast at this.
00:08:55.000 Benny, we've known for quite some time that our institutions are rotten to the core.
00:08:59.000 And some people still yesterday said, I can't believe this.
00:09:02.000 This is so hard for me to believe.
00:09:04.000 I can't believe it.
00:09:06.000 So, Benny, my question is, why all of a sudden are they realizing what you and I have now known for a couple years?
00:09:14.000 Yeah, so you were able to ring this like a bell a decade ago with the founding of Turning Point USA when you said what's happening in our college institutions will make its way to the halls of Congress and to the halls of the judiciary.
00:09:31.000 The institutional rot began perhaps at the universities and in the nuclear epicenters of thought formation or lack thereof.
00:09:43.000 And it was only a matter of time until you have a ruling like this, given the fact that the people who are educated in these institutions come out.
00:09:54.000 And you saw what happened at Columbia University.
00:09:56.000 You see what happens across the country.
00:10:00.000 These aren't real institutions.
00:10:01.000 These institutions are designed to overthrow what made this country great in the first place.
00:10:09.000 And so you're just seeing the end result.
00:10:11.000 The end result is also Ilhan Omar AOC in Congress.
00:10:14.000 You're seeing that decay every single day.
00:10:17.000 But what I would say to the weak Republicans, you know, fast forwarding here, to the weak Republicans that want to mule today and send tweets and statements and go on cable TV and cry and strongly worded letters to the DOJ, I say to you, move aside.
00:10:42.000 You're the reason we got here in the first place.
00:10:45.000 We don't need you anymore.
00:10:47.000 We're not going to abide by the old rules of the system.
00:10:51.000 That country doesn't exist any longer.
00:10:54.000 The only thing that exists now is the will to power.
00:10:58.000 And the shocking reality is that the shocking reality is that Democrats, especially really powerful Democrats like the Clintons, the Obamas, and the Bidens, have done a lot of criminal things in red states.
00:11:14.000 Let's just take, for example, Jim Biden, who ran a Medicare fraud embezzlement scheme in the state of Florida, shut down like 20 different hospitals because of that collapse, putting little grandmothers and children that needed medical help on the streets here in Florida, causing major harm to the people of this great red state, getting filthy rich on it.
00:11:37.000 The DOJ actually investigated him.
00:11:39.000 Of course, they passed on charges.
00:11:40.000 So now it should fall to Ashley Moody, who's the attorney general of this state and other DAs to take Jim Biden, Joe Biden's brother, drag his to the Everglades into a trumped plus 50 district. 0.66
00:11:53.000 I want a judge who has Donald Trump's campaign logo branded on his.
00:11:59.000 I want a judge who donated to Trump and I want an entire jury of MAGA hats judging Jim Biden for his known crime of defrauding and embezzling against the people of Florida.
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00:14:10.000 You see, Charlie would be state prison here in the state of Florida because it's a rock, a rock, red, red state.
00:14:19.000 And it would be something that would be very, very simple for the state government to do.
00:14:24.000 And so, ladies and gentlemen, I pick back up.
00:14:26.000 You want to, like, this isn't pie in the sky stuff.
00:14:29.000 This is really simple.
00:14:30.000 You can charge the Bidens for their crimes in red states.
00:14:36.000 And it's not just Florida.
00:14:37.000 You could go to Texas, where Hunter Biden hatched a scheme to sell Texas's precious natural gas and oil to the communist Chinese in the world's largest LNG port. 0.87
00:14:49.000 That was supposed to be out of Houston.
00:14:51.000 This was, of course, violative of many laws and an insult to the people of Texas.
00:14:58.000 Why not charge Hunter Biden?
00:14:59.000 Joe Biden, of course, is somebody who once he leaves office could also be brought in on all of these charges and could be charged because he was the one running these gambits and running these schemes.
00:15:14.000 If you want to get after the Clintons, well, did you know, Charlie, that the Clinton Foundation has always and is to this very day operational out of Little Rock, Arkansas, and that Todd Blanch is a MAGA Republican who is in charge of the law in Arkansas.
00:15:38.000 He's the attorney general of the state of Arkansas, and that the governor of the state of Arkansas is Sarah Sanders.
00:15:45.000 And you could launch an investigation on that.
00:15:47.000 I have to interrupt, Benny.
00:15:49.000 I have to interrupt because you're making a great point.
00:15:51.000 Why don't they do this then?
00:15:53.000 You just laid out some great, wonderful details.
00:15:56.000 Why, Benny?
00:15:57.000 What's going on here?
00:15:59.000 Because they believe in an America that doesn't exist anymore.
00:16:03.000 And it's time to wake up and recognize what America we live at.
00:16:07.000 What time is it right now?
00:16:10.000 They believe that they live in an America that was painted by Norman Rockwell in the 1950s and some postcard, and that there are principles that still exist.
00:16:20.000 The Marxist has no principles, just the pure pursuit of power.
00:16:25.000 They'll celebrate putting Donald Trump in jail for what exactly.
00:16:29.000 And I guess that's the thing that I just can't really square. 0.77
00:16:34.000 They told their drooling audiences for years, Charlie, that Donald Trump was a terrorist or a Putin puppet or an insurrectionist.
00:16:44.000 Yet the charges that you get him on are bookkeeping errors from 2017 that have run out the statute of limitations for some alleged affair in 2005.
00:16:58.000 This is what you've gone with.
00:16:59.000 This is what you've been able to concoct and create.
00:17:02.000 No, no, no.
00:17:03.000 We can do that.
00:17:04.000 We can do that to Barack Obama, who summarily murdered an American teenager without a trial, violating his constitutional rights, obviously.
00:17:12.000 And he did this in a foreign country, which means that there's no statute of limitations.
00:17:16.000 So you could bring that in any federal district in the country.
00:17:22.000 So just go to southern Indiana, to that federal district, and that Trump plus 50 district and charge Barack Obama with the summary murder of an American teenager on Mar-Alwaki in Yemen.
00:17:37.000 This is easy.
00:17:38.000 This is easy stuff.
00:17:39.000 And the wild thing, Charlie, is that these demons on the other side, the Clintons, the Bidens, the Obamas, they actually committed crimes, like real crimes, really heinous, heinous stuff.
00:17:50.000 The Clinton Foundation, some of the worst things that have happened in human history have been have rolled through that foundation.
00:17:56.000 So let's go.
00:17:59.000 They believe the country is that in a country that's now dead.
00:18:02.000 Is this the wake-up call?
00:18:04.000 In a country that's now dead, is this the wake-up call?
00:18:06.000 Well, it doesn't have to be dead.
00:18:08.000 There just needs to be a time of retribution.
00:18:10.000 There needs to be a time of resetting the tables. 0.69
00:18:12.000 So their presidential candidates need to go to jail. 0.97
00:18:14.000 Their children need to go to jail.
00:18:15.000 They need to go to jail.
00:18:17.000 There needs to be a time that they must know that if they break the system, it'll be used against them.
00:18:25.000 If they don't get punched in the face proverbially, like a bully on a playground, then they'll continue to bully.
00:18:33.000 And so this is now the call to weakling Republicans.
00:18:37.000 Action.
00:18:38.000 No more words.
00:18:39.000 No more tears.
00:18:40.000 Action.
00:18:40.000 That's right.
00:18:41.000 Benny, plug your program, plug your stuff.
00:18:42.000 You're doing terrific.
00:18:43.000 Oh, at Benny Johnson.
00:18:45.000 You know where to find us.
00:18:47.000 But we encourage you to follow along on any social platform.
00:18:50.000 We're at Benny Johnson across all of them.
00:18:54.000 And we stay salty.
00:18:56.000 Love it, Benny.
00:18:57.000 Benny, I'll see you soon at the People's Convention in Detroit.
00:19:00.000 We have a great slot for you there.
00:19:01.000 Excited for that.
00:19:02.000 Benny, thanks so much.
00:19:03.000 And the RNC for our fellow and founding father.
00:19:07.000 I had this thought.
00:19:08.000 I want to remind you: people say, What can I do?
00:19:10.000 What can I do?
00:19:11.000 This is something that Democrats do artificially, and it works.
00:19:15.000 So the Democrats with the Mark Kelly campaign, when he was running for reelection in 2020 against Blake Masters, they spent a ton of money on this, where they have neighbors write postcards and little notes to their neighbors about the election.
00:19:29.000 It is incredibly powerful, and it's something that I think this audience could own.
00:19:34.000 I'm going to try to figure out a way where I can get an easy call to action with this.
00:19:38.000 So, for example, you have all your neighbors' addresses and many of their names, or even the ones that are close to you.
00:19:44.000 You could say, Hey, you know, dear Mr. Smith, I live a couple doors down.
00:19:47.000 I just want to write you about the upcoming election.
00:19:49.000 You know, our country's falling apart, blah, blah, blah.
00:19:51.000 Please consider voting for Donald Trump.
00:19:53.000 Thanks so much.
00:19:53.000 Your neighbor, here's my phone number.
00:19:55.000 That will get read, and that will be taken seriously.
00:19:58.000 The Democrats do this very, very well through relational organizing.
00:20:02.000 And I want to make sure I mention that in an upcoming broadcast.
00:20:05.000 Blake, welcome.
00:20:06.000 I want Blake to take some time and walk through this New York magazine article.
00:20:11.000 It is remarkable from The Intelligencer, which is one of their wrinkle publications.
00:20:18.000 And I mean, just riff on it, Blake.
00:20:21.000 What's going on here?
00:20:22.000 Yeah, sure thing, Charlie.
00:20:23.000 So, this article is by Ellie Hoenig. 0.87
00:20:26.000 They're a legal contributor to CNN, Harvard law grad, long career, like left-leaning lawyer.
00:20:35.000 And it's one of those things.
00:20:36.000 This is actually, I'd say, it's one of the better things that the left does.
00:20:39.000 Like, they'll do these really bad things, like prosecute Trump, and then there always is going to be someone who basically finally has their crisis and comes out and says, Okay, guys, this is actually really bad.
00:20:50.000 We should not be doing this.
00:20:51.000 And so, that's what Hoenig is doing here.
00:20:54.000 And what it all is, is this is clearly from a perspective of someone who doesn't like Trump, possibly even thinks Trump should be convicted of something.
00:21:01.000 But Hoenig comes out and says, This case is bad, and it's even specifically a case made from scratch to get Trump.
00:21:11.000 He says the New York, the Manhattan DA's office apparently internally calls it the zombie case because they had to get really creative to justify how they could charge this conduct from all the way back in 2016 because it normally had a two-year statute of limitations.
00:21:28.000 So, they had to say, Well, it was a conspiracy to cover up other crimes, although they never charge those other crimes, and they're not even that specific about what the other crimes are.
00:21:38.000 But he says it's actually a Frankenstein case, even more than a zombie one.
00:21:42.000 He says it is cobbled together with ill-fitting parts into an ugly, awkward, but more or less functioning contraption that just might ultimately turn against its creator.
00:21:54.000 He says Trump has a million viable reasons to appeal against this, and that even in New York, with all of its problems and all of its bias, he's going to have a decent shot at a reversal.
00:22:06.000 Never mind what might happen if a federal court decided to get involved in this.
00:22:10.000 There's so many good lines in this.
00:22:12.000 Let's see.
00:22:14.000 Let me find it here.
00:22:17.000 The charges against Trump are so obscure and nearly entirely unprecedented.
00:22:22.000 In fact, he says, no state prosecutor, not in New York, not in Wyoming, not anywhere, has ever used a federal election law as a predicate for a state crime against anyone for anything.
00:22:38.000 And until now, that is what the New York Alvin Bragg's case was.
00:22:42.000 His case was: he falsified his records, and as a result, he was conspiring to unlawfully change an election by breaking federal election law.
00:22:54.000 No one has ever brought a case like this in American history against anyone.
00:23:00.000 And he also points out the only actual charge they have is for falsifying business records, and that's almost never the only charge they bring in a case.
00:23:09.000 It's just extremely obvious and has to be said over and over again.
00:23:13.000 Set everything aside about concerns with the jury, concerns with the judge, concerns with procedure.
00:23:19.000 This legal case is a case that only exists to be brought against Trump.
00:23:24.000 It's never been brought against anyone else, and it probably never will be brought against anyone else.
00:23:29.000 They'll come up with new bespoke charges to go against other Republicans.
00:23:34.000 And that just has to be driven home.
00:23:36.000 This case would not exist for any other person in America.
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00:24:45.000 I want to get Josh Hammer in on here, Legal Mind as well.
00:24:48.000 Josh, welcome to the program.
00:24:49.000 Josh, your thoughts on the weakness of the case and just your general reaction of where we are as a country in this brave new world.
00:24:56.000 We've never been here before. 0.85
00:24:57.000 Charlie, it's disgusting.
00:24:59.000 I mean, you can insert your adjective of choice to describe where we are, and I'm not sure that there's a single word in the dictionary that quite adequately describes it.
00:25:06.000 I mean, you know, Charlie, my grandfather was in the newspaper industry when I was growing up, and I have all these fond memories of flipping through the newspaper when I was a kid.
00:25:13.000 And you would literally read about this overseas.
00:25:16.000 You know, you would read about some, you know, Eastern European country, a former iron curtain country, maybe a sub-Saharan African tin pot dictatorship, maybe some third world Islamist hellhole. 0.93
00:25:26.000 You would read about prosecuting and then trying to incarcerate your political enemy.
00:25:30.000 I mean, the way I put it in my column this morning, it kind of has the whiff of like medieval England.
00:25:35.000 The king comes in, deposes his rival, and then vanquishes him by sending him to the Tower of London to rot for the rest of his life.
00:25:41.000 But in America, you know, the land of the free and the home of the brave, like that America?
00:25:46.000 Like the America, like where I went to law school and clerked for a federal appeals judge and speak at law schools across the country where I, you know, I worship the Constitution.
00:25:52.000 I mean, this America, it is disgusting beyond words.
00:25:57.000 And, you know, I guess when the four indictments dropped last year, Charlie, if you had asked me, you had asked me which of the four was the most dangerous to Trump, no way in the world I would have said that the New York case was the one that was actually going to do him in.
00:26:09.000 Yes, it's New York City.
00:26:10.000 It's a terrible jury and whatnot here.
00:26:12.000 But this is also by far, by far, the most absolutely meritless and baseless of all of them.
00:26:19.000 Alvin Bragg's own predecessor, the equally left-wing Cy Vance Jr., looked into this.
00:26:24.000 He declined to bring charges.
00:26:25.000 The federal prosecutor's office under Biden, the SDNY, the Southern District of New York, they looked into this.
00:26:30.000 They declined to bring charges.
00:26:32.000 You know, this is not the big January 6th case that all of like the Democrat lawfare complex and the mainstream media is not that case.
00:26:40.000 That's Jack Smith's DC case.
00:26:41.000 This is so-called hush money payments for conduct, fraudulent bookkeeping that has a two-year statute of limitations, all about a one-night stand that allegedly happened.
00:26:51.000 We don't even know that it happened, what, 18 years ago, back in 2006?
00:26:55.000 It is an absolute freaking outrage of the highest proportions imaginable.
00:27:01.000 And, you know, they have crossed the proverbial Rubicon so many times now, Charlie.
00:27:05.000 I mean, they crossed it definitely when this indictment even dropped in the first place, the first ever indictment brought.
00:27:11.000 They obviously crossed it way back in 2018 with the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearing and throwing out four to 5,000 years of norms of civilization, all innocent or proven guilty.
00:27:19.000 How many Rubicons do they have to cross until our side, including my fellow lawyers, wake the heck up and realize what is happening in this country and realize that this neutral playing field, this idea of lady justice, of blindfolded justice, of liberal norms of neutrality, it's gone.
00:27:38.000 It is done right now.
00:27:40.000 And if you want to restore that, which is a noble and laudable goal, it's going to take some getting of our hands really dirty.
00:27:46.000 We're going to have to bloody up some notices.
00:27:49.000 What does that mean, Josh?
00:27:50.000 I mean, let's get into the details here.
00:27:52.000 And Blake is here as well.
00:27:54.000 We got to measure twice and cut once.
00:27:55.000 What does that mean?
00:27:56.000 I hate to drill you down away from the abstractions.
00:27:59.000 What does that mean with specificity here?
00:28:01.000 So we need to see DAs and attorneys general start engaging in equally high-profile politicized prosecutions.
00:28:09.000 By the way, it doesn't bring me any joy to come on your show, Charlie, and openly advocate for politicized prosecutions.
00:28:16.000 But the point is that if you want to restore some sense of neutrality, you have to make them feel the pain.
00:28:23.000 I mean, it's the whole idea of mutually assured destruction.
00:28:25.000 So for example, if you are a DA, let's say you're a 30 to 35 year old Republican DA in like the Texas panhandle in some very red jurisdiction, you want to make some inroads, you're ambitious, start filing some very creative prosecutions.
00:28:38.000 Find some charge to bring Anthony Fauci and Deborah Burks down there.
00:28:42.000 What about Hunter Biden?
00:28:43.000 Well, his gun charge, his gun trial starts on Monday, and then his tax trial allegedly starts back in September.
00:28:49.000 But there's a lot of meat left on that bone.
00:28:51.000 I mean, no one's touched any of the FARA stuff, the Ukraine corruption, China, any of that.
00:28:54.000 There's a lot of meat left on Hunter Biden as well there.
00:28:57.000 How about immigration?
00:28:58.000 Immigration is by far the number one issue that the country should be deciding the 2024 election based on.
00:29:04.000 You know, if you're a prosecutor down in Texas, in my state of Florida, Arizona, wherever, any state that has had a large illegal alien influx over the course of the Biden presidency, which is basically every state for that matter, actually, you know, and if you're a prosecutor, try to get some high-profile prosecution against a major open borders advocate who's maybe leading a human trafficking ring.
00:29:23.000 Someone who would actually not just do legal damage, but the optics of that would actually try to rejuvenate our side, to give our side hope that we actually can come to the playing field and fight again.
00:29:33.000 It's going to be a long slog back from the abyss, but you're going to have to.
00:29:37.000 Josh, I'm in complete harmony.
00:29:39.000 No, I totally agree.
00:29:40.000 I'm going to interrupt.
00:29:41.000 We're just short on time.
00:29:42.000 Why haven't they done that, Josh?
00:29:43.000 What is in the DNA?
00:29:45.000 What is in the muscle memory?
00:29:46.000 What is in the shared experience of the Republican DAs and AGs?
00:29:54.000 Why hasn't this not been done?
00:29:55.000 Why is this so hard?
00:29:57.000 Well, look, as someone who kind of, you know, I went to a top law school.
00:30:00.000 I was a federal society member.
00:30:01.000 I still am a federal society.
00:30:02.000 I mean, like, Charlie, you have to understand the milieu in which right-wing lawyers come from.
00:30:07.000 I mean, I know because I'm one of them.
00:30:08.000 And you basically exist in kind of this bubble in law school.
00:30:11.000 Maybe it's changed since I graduated 80 years ago, but you exist in this bubble where you're liberal classmates and you, oh, you disagree about the law a little bit.
00:30:18.000 We're going to go ahead and get drinks after class there.
00:30:20.000 This is kind of the whole idea of originalism as a jurisprudential philosophy.
00:30:24.000 I mean, this whole idea that we're just going to give it a good faith and then the left is going to come in and somehow we're not going to get railroaded because their justices vote in a row every single time.
00:30:32.000 And then all it takes is one of our guys to defect on so-called principled grounds and then we're screwed.
00:30:37.000 So, I mean, the two sides are definitionally not equal.
00:30:40.000 And until we structurally just change the way that young conservative law students, college students who are applying to law school, it starts there.
00:30:49.000 Then it'll start to kind of trickle into the DAs and the AGs and people like that.
00:30:52.000 But it's going to take a long time, I fear.
00:30:55.000 Yeah, no, I think that's so well said.
00:30:57.000 And it's, I know of what you speak.
00:31:00.000 And I like the Federalist Society.
00:31:02.000 I think that the strategy has been really prudent and good to try to win back the courts and to try to recenter us away from the war in court and the burger courts that we saw.
00:31:12.000 That was really what invigorated this whole multi-decade, multi-generation, generational constitutional nonprofit project.
00:31:20.000 And it's been terrific.
00:31:22.000 However, you have to be honest about the country you're living in.
00:31:28.000 And if the institutions that you revere are no longer the institutions that you once revered, then you have to be honest.
00:31:36.000 And I'm afraid there's a lot of delusion because I think people are afraid because it's not dissimilar to like the COVID vaccine or towards other limiting beliefs where people are like afraid that if that is not true, then like what else might not be true?
00:31:52.000 And high society is the most attached to these limiting beliefs.
00:31:57.000 I only use the COVID vaccine as just one thing.
00:31:59.000 I don't mean to loop that in, but there are things in society where people are afraid to even discuss it because it might bring you to two, three, four, five steps beyond that.
00:32:08.000 And you're like, I just, I can't process it because my entire world is going to fall apart.
00:32:12.000 And for a lot of high society conservative lawyers, their entire life, their existence is built around the idea of the impenetrable and the honest American justice system.
00:32:24.000 Guess what?
00:32:24.000 It's not.
00:32:25.000 Well, I think that you really nailed it because, again, these lawyers who grew up in this milieu that I was describing earlier, you know, you want to get to the corridors of power.
00:32:35.000 I mean, you still want to work in the elite law firms.
00:32:37.000 You still want to work in the elite agencies in Washington, D.C. Maybe you want to be general counsel at a Fortune 500 company, something like that.
00:32:44.000 And that necessarily is going to cloud your judgment insofar as you are not going to want to see your colleagues as an enemy who wants to throw you into a proverbial or perhaps even, God forbid, a literal gulag, right?
00:32:57.000 I mean, it's going to cloud your judgment.
00:32:58.000 You're not going to be able to see clearly when you still want to be friendly with these people or at least be amicable with them or have them as acquaintances.
00:33:06.000 And, you know, I'm not saying that you should, you know, cut out everyone who does not agree with you or see eye to eye from your life, but you do have to be clear-eyed about the state of the prosecutorial apparatus in this country right now.
00:33:19.000 You know, one of the greatest misconceptions that I've heard over the past 24 hours is, oh, it's just Trump. 0.54
00:33:25.000 You know, he's an infamous felon.
00:33:26.000 I mean, he was palling around with Roy Cohn decades ago and he was tented to the mafia. 0.88
00:33:31.000 It's just Trump.
00:33:32.000 No, it's actually not just Trump.
00:33:34.000 I mean, where have these people been living that they think it's just Trump?
00:33:37.000 I can go at least as far back as when the Obama administration started prosecuting the little sisters of the poor, nuns.
00:33:43.000 They sued nuns for failing to subsidize abortive fashions as part of Obamacare.
00:33:49.000 So this whole prosecute your political enemies thing at least started during the Obama administration.
00:33:54.000 But the Biden administration has obviously taken it to the next level.
00:33:56.000 We've seen pro-lifers who are being prosecuted under a ridiculous interpretation of the FACE Act.
00:34:01.000 Obviously, all the January 6 prisoners is John Eastman, my good friend, what's happened to him is beyond appalling, beyond the pale.
00:34:08.000 He's being disbarred in California, prosecuted in Georgia, Arizona.
00:34:12.000 I mean, the list just goes on and on at this point.
00:34:13.000 So this is not, this is not just about Trump.
00:34:17.000 This is like the new normal at this point within the bowels of Democratic Party and progressive liberal legal thinking.
00:34:24.000 So, you know, amidst that reality, again, I just have to ask, I mean, like, what more is it going to take?
00:34:31.000 And the problem when it comes to law schools, I guess one final thought on this.
00:34:36.000 You don't have a whole lot of lawyers who become law professors who see it.
00:34:40.000 There are very, very, very few law professors in America who have been openly critical of the Trump prosecutions.
00:34:46.000 I can name a few.
00:34:47.000 There are a laudable, noble few.
00:34:49.000 But the fact that I can think in my head, like literally individually, who those people are, that is itself the problem.
00:34:55.000 And until we change the culture of the law schools, I just fear that we're not going to be able to kind of make inroads to do the sort of nose-bloodying that you and I know must be done.
00:35:05.000 Yeah, I mean, this is where my crusade against college is at its weakest because you actually need elites.
00:35:13.000 You need people that are getting their JDs and people that are becoming lawyers.
00:35:18.000 When I say that college is a scam, I mean it, but we actually need people at the top of society.
00:35:22.000 Josh, plug your stuff.
00:35:24.000 Yeah, so just real quick in 10 seconds, Charlie, to your point about college scam. 0.90
00:35:27.000 We need class traitors.
00:35:28.000 People like Trump, Josh Hawley, JD Vance, who have the elite degrees, but then they're traitors to the ruling class. 0.78
00:35:33.000 They stand with the deplorables. 0.74
00:35:34.000 We need more class traitors is what we need.
00:35:36.000 Anyway, I host two shows, the Josh Hammer Show and American Trial with Josh Hammer.
00:35:40.000 I write a syndicated weekly column that goes up in Newsweek and a bunch of other write-up center publications on Twitter, Josh underscore Hammer, and then Instagram at Josh B. Hammer.
00:35:48.000 Very good, Josh.
00:35:49.000 God bless.
00:35:49.000 Thanks so much.
00:35:50.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:35:51.000 Everybody, email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.
00:35:54.000 Thanks so much for listening, and God bless.
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