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00:01:16.000Today, Donald Trump is going to be arraigned at a D.C. federal courthouse.
00:01:20.000Former President of the United States, arraigned by this feral dog by the name of Jack Smith, who's using the full force of the federal government.
00:01:30.000And Merrick Garland signed off on this.
00:01:32.000It's supposed to be an independent counsel.
00:02:00.000And I will say, I have, I'm sensing a little bit of a change of even some of the most ardent Trump critics that I speak with and I text with.
00:02:11.000I spoke with one the other day, someone who hates Donald Trump, and I called him.
00:04:55.000From the intel agencies to the fake Hunter Biden laptop letter to the mass mail and ballots to the Center for Technology and Civic Life to the Yole Roth meetings with Twitter and the FBI, Donald Trump was onto something.
00:05:11.000But this indictment, and this is why when people do these cheap shots on Trump, like, oh, Nikki Haley, move on, get out of the way.
00:05:31.000One of the statutes that Donald Trump is facing could potentially get him the death penalty for asking questions.
00:05:42.000Now let's just go through the last couple hundred years.
00:05:46.000Is there ever a time where somebody challenges an orthodoxy and ends up being proven right?
00:05:54.000One of the most famous examples is Galileo.
00:05:57.000Galileo, who is basically put on house arrest for questioning, saying, hey, you know, maybe there's something to this heliocentric theory of, nope, going to put you in house arrest, go into prison.
00:06:11.000Or in the 1900s, lobotomies used to be considered to be the most amazing medical breakthrough.
00:06:18.000How about as recently as the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation?
00:06:26.000Or that the vaccine is safe and effective.
00:06:29.000Or that lockdowns are going to help kids.
00:06:33.000Or that the virus is going to kill 20% of our population.
00:06:38.000What's really going on here with this indictment?
00:06:42.000And what infuriates me, and I have not heard this point made, it's like, okay, they're going after somebody for wrongthink.
00:06:49.000Meanwhile, not a single member of the administrative state, not a single maggot, not a single vermin, not a single one of these people have been held accountable for their lies the last couple of years, for their intentional misrepresentations, for power, for profit.
00:07:17.000And yet they're going after Donald Trump for asking questions that they don't like.
00:07:21.000And the New York Times says, well, you know, the First Amendment is likely his defense.
00:07:29.000What they are trying to do is set a precedent that I'll be honest is even bigger than Donald Trump.
00:07:36.000They're going for a civilizational changing indictment here.
00:07:41.000Not only do they think they will be able to take out the leader of the opposition party, they want to set a precedent in what will be the highest profile case.
00:07:52.000More eyeballs on this case than I think any in American history.
00:07:58.000Maybe, maybe the Scopes monkey trial would come closer.
00:08:03.000This is going to, this will be covered wall to wall, every motion, every filing.
00:08:09.000And by the way, I know it's not customary.
00:08:11.000We need to demand that there are cameras in the courtroom.
00:09:25.000The crux of this indictment is the promise of the United States Constitution that our founding fathers put in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights, inspired largely by George Mason.
00:09:40.000Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of press and the right to peaceably assemble.
00:09:51.000And to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
00:09:55.000This entire thing, even if you think Donald Trump was on Neptune and he believed wacky stuff, which I do not, I think he was onto something.
00:10:02.000You are constitutionally allowed to challenge your government.
00:10:06.000You're allowed to believe wacky and weird stuff.
00:10:10.000In fact, that is what makes America a great country.
00:10:15.000We should applaud it when somebody asks questions of their government.
00:12:12.000Same thing that happens on college campuses.
00:12:14.000We're getting ready for our college campus tour coming up soon at Turning Point USA, and we're going to have to deal with the anti-speech forces.
00:12:21.000We teach our kids on college campuses that speech is not necessary.
00:12:26.000That if you find a set of ideas that you don't like, shut them up.
00:12:30.000When we go to these college campuses, we ask for disagreement to come to the front of the line.
00:13:36.000Like, I get the argument that maybe if you're like some opposition leader hundreds of miles away from the capital, but if you're the sitting president, how do you overthrow the government?
00:13:50.000And by the way, Thomas Jefferson did help overthrow the government of Britain.
00:15:06.000What we see in this indictment is that on January 6, 2021, Donald Trump, just like those other threats to American democracy, tried to destroy our system.
00:15:18.000And the thing is, Joe and Mika and Willie and everyone, it's almost happening again this morning.
00:15:24.000Just as you said, who is the Republican frontrunner?
00:15:28.000Donald Trump threatening to do it all again, but even more effectively, saying he's going to institute a presidential dictatorship that we may assume is going to take our democracy away.
00:15:47.000What Michael Beschloss is saying on MSNBC is to continue to set the baseline that half the country are moral equivalents of Nazi Germany, of the Axis powers of World War II, of the Confederacy, or of Al-Qaeda or bin Laden.
00:16:12.000And this is now, they're starting to say this over and over again.
00:16:15.000The Patriot Act, largely passed thanks to people like Lady Graham and others, they are chomping at the bit for an excuse to use government authority to now just destroy the conservative MAGA movement.
00:16:32.000They're already doing it with these indictments, but now they're increasing the volume and saying, you know what?
00:18:38.000Joining us now is Vivek Ramaswamy, who's running an excellent presidential campaign, defying all the experts out there and listening to the conservative base.
00:18:49.000Tell us about the lawsuit that you are filing against the Department of Justice.
00:18:53.000Well, Charlie, I didn't want to sit by and be a bystander as we're watching the politicization of our justice system.
00:18:59.000I believe in the truth, and I think that we are being lied to about what role the political actors are playing, Biden and Merrick Garland, in this politicized persecution through prosecution of my competitor in this race, the 45th president of the United States, Donald Trump.
00:19:15.000And so I actually had filed, using the traditional legal process, a Freedom of Information Act request to demand, as any citizen can, any documents of what Biden told Garland or what Garland told Jack Smith in the classified documents case.
00:19:43.000with a fresh round of demands that I've also made in relation to this most recent prosecution.
00:19:49.000And the reason I'm doing this is because I think it will become that much more difficult.
00:19:54.000So what Vivek is saying is that he as a presidential candidate who, by the way, has a vested interest to see Donald Trump falter because he's running against him, is actually doing the right thing to sue the Department of Justice.
00:20:08.000I'm really encouraged by this, and this is a theme that we hit on this program, time and time and time again, which is where is the opposition party in this country?
00:20:18.000If you are using this as an opportunity while our own government becomes Soviet and Maoist against Donald Trump to say, oh, you know, get a little jab in here and a little jab in here, you are a waste of time.
00:20:31.000Vivek is doing the right thing by doing this.
00:20:33.000I want to play a piece of tape here while we get Vivek Ramaswamy back.
00:20:36.000He deserves a lot of credit for what he's doing here.
00:20:38.000I believe, do we have, oh, we have Adam Kinzinger, which is, I just see him in my, every time I see Adam Kinzinger in my cut sheet, I was like, oh, great.
00:20:50.000Do we have, boy, this is a long cut sheet we have here.
00:20:54.000Do we have the Mark Levin from this morning on Mike Pence?
00:21:25.000The president really doesn't have a right to lie when it leads to an attempted coup.
00:21:29.000And that's what I think people are missing.
00:21:31.000This isn't just the president speaking.
00:21:33.000The president, first off, when you make an oath, when you swear an oath to the Constitution to uphold and defend it, you have to live by those standards.
00:21:40.000But secondarily, when you cause people to, in essence, attempt a coup, and that's what this was, you have to be held accountable.
00:21:48.000What they're in essence saying is, as long as the coup fails, well, then it's just freedom of speech.
00:21:53.000If it succeeds, then, of course, they're in power and they can do whatever they want.
00:21:57.000That is very dangerous for this country.
00:21:59.000And I think, I mean, that's probably the only defense they can make in terms of the First Amendment, but I think it's asinine.
00:22:06.000Several, a lot of Republican leaders agree completely with Adam Kinzinger.
00:22:32.000Vivek, please continue as to why you are doing this.
00:22:36.000Well, I was in D.C. earlier today in front of the courthouse, Charlie.
00:22:39.000I also made the announcement just because it would be a lot easier for me, let's be really honest, if Donald Trump were eliminated from competition.
00:22:46.000I'm running third in the Republican national polls right now.
00:22:49.000But that's not how I want to win this election.
00:22:54.000And I think we set a dangerous precedent, Charlie, if the party in power is using untested novel legal theories that have never once been applied by a prosecutor, let alone upheld by a judge, to arrest and indict their political opposition.
00:23:10.000And so I believe that Jack Smith and Merrick Garland and Joe Biden are not telling the truth.
00:23:15.000I think there is an absolute political component to this, which explains the fact that there are three different indictments right around the exact same time, which happens to be in the middle of a presidential election.
00:23:29.000I believe the government should trust the people with the truth.
00:23:32.000I think there is no such thing as a noble lie.
00:23:35.000And so we're using legal means to demand the White House and the Justice Department to expose exactly what correspondences they had with Jack Smith, the supposed special prosecutor.
00:23:49.000And I think that we have to stand for the rule of law, Charlie, because the way it works right now is the government basically says the people can't be trusted with the truth, be it the truth about COVID-19, be it the truth about Hunter Biden, the truth about Ukraine, the truth about who directed what in this prosecution of Donald Trump, the truth about that shooter manifesto of the transgender shooter in Nashville.
00:24:10.000I was in Nashville yesterday calling for the release of that manifesto.
00:25:30.000And by the way, we're talking about a Republican governor here who in April basically gestured towards them saying they would release the manifesto.
00:26:03.000Governor Bill Lee, I got to interrupt.
00:26:04.000Governor Bill Lee, governor of Tennessee, wants to take your firearms away in Tennessee, but is working in harmony to know that you don't see the manifesto.
00:26:16.000Because now, what have we learned in the last several years, Charlie?
00:26:19.000We make our worst laws and policy decisions as a country when we do so on false pretenses.
00:26:26.000Think about what happened with the vaccines.
00:26:28.000Think about what happened with the lockdowns.
00:26:30.000Had we known what lockdowns would do, had we been told the truth about the myocarditis risks, and otherwise we would not have adopted the policies that we did.
00:26:39.000Well, now we're repeating that same mistake because we know this was driven by a mentally deranged, psychologically ill person who identified in the wrong gender, went to a Christian school and shot people.
00:26:51.000There is a manifesto that the government usually releases that the government officials here said that they would release, yet they have not released and yet have the gall now to call a special session of the legislature.
00:27:41.000In fact, I'll wear that shirt time and time again.
00:27:44.000I think the government is lying to you.
00:27:46.000Vivek Ramaswamy, do you think our federal government is lying to us about what happened on 9-11?
00:27:51.000Well, you don't need to take that from me, Charlie.
00:27:53.000And I'm not one for conspiracy theories.
00:27:55.000I'm just for the reality, the truth of the matter.
00:27:58.000So you want to know what happened actually two years ago, the FBI finally, 20 years later, declassified documents relating to 9-11 that, lo and behold, confirmed something that they had long denied, that one of the graduate students, the 42-year-old graduate student that welcomed two al-Qaeda hijackers, did actually have ties to the Saudi government as working for the Saudi intelligence agency.
00:28:22.000For years, they lied about it and said the contrary.
00:28:25.000This is the same government that repeatedly lied in the post-9-11 era about weapons of mass destruction, saying that Pat Tillman in Afghanistan was killed by enemy fire, when in fact he was.
00:29:21.000And I got to tell you, I want a Republican Party that speaks like Vivek Ramaswamy, that fights like Vivek, that asks the tough questions.
00:29:28.000I don't need to be lectured by Mike Pence about how beautiful our justice system is or about how Zelensky, the uppity foreigner in a t-shirt, needs more of our taxpayer money or why Ukraine is our problem.
00:31:01.000When you're on the ground in Tennessee, why is a deep red state like Tennessee have a governor that wants to take people's guns away but seems afraid to go after the trans lobby?
00:31:22.000It is about the managerial class versus the everyday citizen.
00:31:26.000And the Republican Party is controlled by the same donor puppet masters, or at least the same kinds of donor puppet masters as the ones that control the Democrat Party.
00:31:34.000And so when it comes to the U.S. president, we need somebody who is not a super PAC puppet.
00:31:39.000We need an independent patriot who speaks the truth.
00:31:42.000And I think that goes for most governor positions in this country as well.
00:31:46.000There is this culture of fear, and Republicans are not immune to it.
00:31:50.000You're not vaccinated just because you call yourself a Republican from the culture of fear that's spreading like a virus across this country.
00:31:57.000And so my answer is, I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat, especially if you're Republican, I'm going to call that out, stand for truth, and that's why I was in Nashville.
00:32:32.000What's the red flag you want to put in then?
00:32:34.000Why don't you release the manifesto so we know what was driving this lunatic that killed those kids, which was a hate crime against Christians?
00:33:21.000I want to talk about our foreign policy.
00:33:23.000I want to talk about how we're directing hundreds of billions of dollars to protect an invasion across somebody else's border that we could instead be using to protect the invasion across our own southern border.
00:33:33.000And so I think that's actually something that people are hungry for, Charlie, is that the good news is we agree on a lot in the Republican Party, and that's great.
00:33:40.000But instead of actually obsessing over that and hiding from where we differ, I'd say let's smoke out the differences.
00:33:46.000Let's talk about pardons for the peaceful protesters on January 6th.
00:33:50.000Let's talk about a commitment, making sure that we don't make these allegations against a former U.S. president through this persecution.
00:33:57.000I want to smoke out the more difficult topics.
00:34:00.000And that's what I'm doing on the campaign trail, Charlie, is, yeah, I'll tell people all the stuff they want to hear and they agree with.
00:34:05.000But my view is it's the old quote: you know, if you care about somebody, you tell them the truth.
00:34:10.000If you care about yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.
00:34:13.000That's what the Republican Party is doing a lot of.
00:34:16.000I think part of the reason our campaign is succeeding is that I am speaking the truth, even when they are hard truths.
00:34:22.000And that's the approach I'm going to take to the end.
00:34:24.000And if that's the winning strategy, then great.
00:34:26.000And if it's the losing strategy, so be it.
00:34:28.000I'd rather lose an election than to be some puppet parroting slogans that are poll tested and designed to win.
00:34:36.000So, Vivek, just looking at the candidates that are not named Trump, what are your thoughts on kind of their policy position and stances and their reaction to kind of what's been happening the last couple weeks and months?
00:34:49.000I'm sure it must in some ways be surprising that the Republican Party is really filled with a bunch of gutless wonders.
00:34:56.000It's very disappointing, actually, Charlie, but it also gives me now my sense of motivation because it does take an outsider to speak with the spine.
00:35:06.000I understand why, because many of those same mega donors are, I mean, I can't tell you the number of texts I got after, by the way, that it was a completely distortion of what I even said, even asking questions about areas where the government may have lied to us, including but not limited to 9-11.
00:35:23.000But the same thing with respect to my Ukraine position, the same thing with respect to actually my extensive discussion about bank bailouts that I'm dead set against.
00:35:32.000I have lost major donors over these positions, and I'm okay with that.
00:35:37.000I've put over $15 million of my hard-earned money into this campaign, and we'll stop at nothing.
00:35:43.000I'd rather do that than be dependent on somebody else who's going to restrain what I said.
00:35:47.000You got to energize what I've learned.
00:35:48.000Because there's one other thing, Vivek.
00:35:49.000I want you to tell about the lawsuit with the World Economic Forum that you cleared up a lie that some people, unfortunately, are believing because of rumor chatter.
00:35:56.000Minute remaining, Vivek, tell us about this.
00:35:58.000Well, the World Economic Forum, I have been a top opponent against them.
00:36:01.000I started a company to fight the ESG agenda.
00:36:21.000I'm proud to say, most importantly, they have made a hard commitment that they will never do this to anybody again, as they've done to folks from Elon Musk to Glenn Beck in the past.
00:36:32.000We got every demand we met in the lawsuit, but that was honestly the most important one, Charlie, because this isn't about my money or winning or anything else.
00:36:40.000This is about doing what's right to make sure we push back against these guys.
00:36:44.000So I'll say now the World Economic Forum tried to put me on their list.
00:36:47.000Well, I put Klaus Schwab on mine, and that's exactly how we're going to roll.
00:36:50.000We're going to win with action, not playing with kid gloves.