The Charlie Kirk Show - Expose the Tyranny of Lies with Vivek Ramaswamy

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00:00:01.000 Donald Trump arraigned for federal crimes.

00:00:05.000 My goodness, crimes he didn't commit just for exposing these criminals.

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00:01:16.000 Today, Donald Trump is going to be arraigned at a D.C. federal courthouse.

00:01:20.000 Former President of the United States, arraigned by this feral dog by the name of Jack Smith, who's using the full force of the federal government.

00:01:30.000 And Merrick Garland signed off on this.

00:01:32.000 It's supposed to be an independent counsel.

00:01:34.000 This is not an independent counsel.

00:01:35.000 This is one of Eric Holder's lackeys.

00:01:37.000 Went out to The Hague.

00:01:39.000 This guy has failed time and time again with his prosecutorial record, failed with McDonald, overturned at the Supreme Court.

00:01:47.000 He is perfect for political prosecutions, or should I say, persecutions.

00:01:53.000 I've read the indictment multiple times.

00:01:55.000 We've been through the details of this.

00:01:57.000 This is a disgrace.

00:01:59.000 It's a total disgrace.

00:02:00.000 And I will say, I have, I'm sensing a little bit of a change of even some of the most ardent Trump critics that I speak with and I text with.

00:02:11.000 I spoke with one the other day, someone who hates Donald Trump, and I called him.

00:02:14.000 I said, so how do you feel?

00:02:16.000 He said, man, I hate Trump.

00:02:17.000 He said, but I don't hate him this much.

00:02:19.000 I said, what do you mean?

00:02:20.000 He said, man, this is so bad.

00:02:24.000 This is so damaging, so dangerous.

00:02:27.000 He's like, Trump's probably going to win the nomination.

00:02:30.000 I'll support him in the general.

00:02:31.000 He's like, I really think Trump is bad for the country, but this is worse.

00:02:35.000 It's like, okay, that's an honest take.

00:02:38.000 I could take that.

00:02:39.000 That is progress.

00:02:40.000 That is movement.

00:02:41.000 And I'll be honest.

00:02:43.000 Anybody who is now doing cheap shots at Donald Trump while he is under active multi-sham federal indictments, I've lost respect for you.

00:02:53.000 Read the room.

00:02:54.000 Understand what's really at play here.

00:02:55.000 This is not the time to get in cheap shots of, oh, Donald Trump should have fired Fauci faster.

00:03:01.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:03:01.000 Okay.

00:03:02.000 Get out of the way. 0.80

00:03:02.000 We don't have time for this. 0.80

00:03:04.000 Okay?

00:03:05.000 There's something much bigger going on here than policy disagreements.

00:03:09.000 That might be valid.

00:03:10.000 Okay, personnel selection.

00:03:11.000 We've talked about it.

00:03:12.000 This is the whole ballgame.

00:03:13.000 Can an unelected administrative state take out the leader of an opposition party?

00:03:19.000 They believe yes, absolutely.

00:03:23.000 So the New York Times, I read it, so you don't have to.

00:03:27.000 It's just the lack of self-awareness here is amazing.

00:03:30.000 So they go through the co-conspirators.

00:03:32.000 We had John Eastman on the program and who's likely going to be indicted or unindicted co-conspirator.

00:03:37.000 We don't know.

00:03:41.000 This is the headline.

00:03:43.000 First Amendment is likely linchpin of Trump defense.

00:03:48.000 Allies prepare for fight over free speech after indictment calls out lies.

00:04:00.000 And then it goes on to say, the indictment cites a campaign of election falsehoods.

00:04:07.000 Time out here.

00:04:09.000 Are you allowed to believe things that the government doesn't believe?

00:04:15.000 Why do we have a First Amendment?

00:04:16.000 We are the speaking beings, as Aristotle would say.

00:04:20.000 We have reason, dialogue, conversation, disagreement, debate.

00:04:28.000 What opinions exactly need to be regulated?

00:04:33.000 A free society means that you're allowed to not just disagree, but challenge.

00:04:38.000 And in a free society, you're allowed to have what is deemed as wacky or goofy opinions.

00:04:44.000 I don't even think what Donald Trump was espousing was wacky or goofy for the record.

00:04:47.000 I think Donald Trump was onto something huge.

00:04:49.000 His gut instinct is correct.

00:04:52.000 The 2020 election was a sham.

00:04:55.000 From the intel agencies to the fake Hunter Biden laptop letter to the mass mail and ballots to the Center for Technology and Civic Life to the Yole Roth meetings with Twitter and the FBI, Donald Trump was onto something.

00:05:11.000 But this indictment, and this is why when people do these cheap shots on Trump, like, oh, Nikki Haley, move on, get out of the way.

00:05:16.000 You're a waste of time.

00:05:17.000 All right. 0.92

00:05:19.000 This here is the criminalization of wrongthink.

00:05:24.000 This is the criminalization and the potential imprisonment and death penalty.

00:05:29.000 That's right.

00:05:31.000 One of the statutes that Donald Trump is facing could potentially get him the death penalty for asking questions.

00:05:42.000 Now let's just go through the last couple hundred years.

00:05:46.000 Is there ever a time where somebody challenges an orthodoxy and ends up being proven right?

00:05:54.000 One of the most famous examples is Galileo.

00:05:57.000 Galileo, who is basically put on house arrest for questioning, saying, hey, you know, maybe there's something to this heliocentric theory of, nope, going to put you in house arrest, go into prison.

00:06:11.000 Or in the 1900s, lobotomies used to be considered to be the most amazing medical breakthrough.

00:06:18.000 How about as recently as the Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation?

00:06:24.000 Our leader said that.

00:06:26.000 Or that the vaccine is safe and effective.

00:06:29.000 Or that lockdowns are going to help kids.

00:06:33.000 Or that the virus is going to kill 20% of our population.

00:06:38.000 What's really going on here with this indictment?

00:06:42.000 And what infuriates me, and I have not heard this point made, it's like, okay, they're going after somebody for wrongthink.

00:06:49.000 Meanwhile, not a single member of the administrative state, not a single maggot, not a single vermin, not a single one of these people have been held accountable for their lies the last couple of years, for their intentional misrepresentations, for power, for profit.

00:07:17.000 And yet they're going after Donald Trump for asking questions that they don't like.

00:07:21.000 And the New York Times says, well, you know, the First Amendment is likely his defense.

00:07:26.000 Well, yeah.

00:07:29.000 What they are trying to do is set a precedent that I'll be honest is even bigger than Donald Trump.

00:07:36.000 They're going for a civilizational changing indictment here.

00:07:41.000 Not only do they think they will be able to take out the leader of the opposition party, they want to set a precedent in what will be the highest profile case.

00:07:52.000 More eyeballs on this case than I think any in American history.

00:07:58.000 Maybe, maybe the Scopes monkey trial would come closer.

00:08:03.000 This is going to, this will be covered wall to wall, every motion, every filing.

00:08:09.000 And by the way, I know it's not customary.

00:08:11.000 We need to demand that there are cameras in the courtroom.

00:08:15.000 We need to demand it.

00:08:17.000 And every one of these trials, there is not an argument not to have cameras in the courtroom.

00:08:22.000 Period.

00:08:24.000 You're going to go lock up the opposition leader.

00:08:27.000 I want it on every television.

00:08:29.000 Own it, Jack Smith.

00:08:31.000 Own it, prosecutors.

00:08:32.000 Come on, show us what you're doing.

00:08:34.000 I don't want to look at some sort of sketch by some sort of guy.

00:08:37.000 No, Cameras in the courtroom.

00:08:40.000 I want to know what's going on.

00:08:41.000 This will make the O.J. Simpson trial look like child's play as far as the high-profile civilizational impacts.

00:08:46.000 And that's not just one, is you got documents, you got this conspiracy to defraud the United States, a bunch of silly stuff.

00:08:52.000 You got the Georgia one that is looming.

00:08:54.000 We need cameras in the courtroom.

00:08:56.000 We need eyeballs.

00:08:57.000 I thought, because democracy dies in darkness, right?

00:08:59.000 That's what I'm lectured by the degenerates of the Washington Post every day.

00:09:03.000 What is really going on here in this indictment is yes, Donald Trump is part of it.

00:09:10.000 But the bigger game is can they eliminate the First Amendment?

00:09:18.000 And that is even bigger than Trump.

00:09:21.000 That is the crux of this indictment.

00:09:25.000 The crux of this indictment is the promise of the United States Constitution that our founding fathers put in the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights, inspired largely by George Mason.

00:09:40.000 Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof or abridging the freedom of speech or of press and the right to peaceably assemble.

00:09:49.000 Here is the key.

00:09:50.000 Here is the key.

00:09:51.000 And to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

00:09:55.000 This entire thing, even if you think Donald Trump was on Neptune and he believed wacky stuff, which I do not, I think he was onto something.

00:10:02.000 You are constitutionally allowed to challenge your government.

00:10:06.000 You're allowed to believe wacky and weird stuff.

00:10:10.000 In fact, that is what makes America a great country.

00:10:15.000 We should applaud it when somebody asks questions of their government.

00:10:18.000 We shouldn't send them to prison.

00:10:20.000 The government is not the arbiter of truth.

00:10:23.000 And that's what I just keep on going back to it.

00:10:25.000 What was the state-run newspaper of the USSR?

00:10:28.000 Truth.

00:10:29.000 Pravda.

00:10:30.000 We know the truth as the USSR, not you, Kulak. 1.00

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00:12:02.000 A mark of a totalitarian regime is they do not allow disagreement.

00:12:05.000 There's other breaking news.

00:12:07.000 Biden administration ordered Facebook to change algorithms to suppress conservatives.

00:12:11.000 It's the same thing.

00:12:12.000 Same thing that happens on college campuses.

00:12:14.000 We're getting ready for our college campus tour coming up soon at Turning Point USA, and we're going to have to deal with the anti-speech forces.

00:12:21.000 We teach our kids on college campuses that speech is not necessary.

00:12:26.000 That if you find a set of ideas that you don't like, shut them up.

00:12:30.000 When we go to these college campuses, we ask for disagreement to come to the front of the line.

00:12:30.000 We're the opposite.

00:12:35.000 If you disagree, we invite that disagreement.

00:12:38.000 We think it actually makes life better, makes civilization stronger.

00:12:44.000 The left has never believed in that.

00:12:46.000 They don't believe it in Mouse China.

00:12:47.000 They don't believe it in the USSR.

00:12:50.000 And this indictment of Donald Trump points directly to that.

00:12:56.000 So Al Charlatan, who somehow still is allowed on television, it's amazing to me.

00:13:08.000 He just gets a little ahead of himself sometimes.

00:13:10.000 And he just starts making stuff up.

00:13:13.000 And so he starts talking about, could you imagine us thinking about James Madison or Thomas Jefferson trying to overthrow the government?

00:13:22.000 And so let me just ask an obvious question here, okay?

00:13:28.000 Which I don't think anyone has said.

00:13:30.000 How can you overthrow the government when you're the sitting president?

00:13:35.000 How does that one work?

00:13:36.000 Like, I get the argument that maybe if you're like some opposition leader hundreds of miles away from the capital, but if you're the sitting president, how do you overthrow the government?

00:13:50.000 And by the way, Thomas Jefferson did help overthrow the government of Britain.

00:13:55.000 It's called the Revolutionary War.

00:13:57.000 Again, Al Charlatan, not a smart person at all, typical for MSNBC.

00:14:02.000 Play Cut 130.

00:14:05.000 One day our children's children will read American history.

00:14:09.000 And can you imagine our reading that James Madison or Thomas Jefferson tried to overthrow the government so they could stay in power?

00:14:18.000 That's what we're looking at.

00:14:19.000 We're looking at American history.

00:14:21.000 Okay, again.

00:14:23.000 How does one overthrow the government if you are the sitting president of the United States?

00:14:29.000 Make it make sense.

00:14:31.000 Gonna overthrow myself?

00:14:34.000 There's this other guy that keeps going on television at MSNBC, Michael Beschloss.

00:14:39.000 He has totally lost his mind.

00:14:42.000 And they have him on Morning Mika, and he just keeps on raising the level of absolute insanity.

00:14:47.000 Listen to this, Play Cut 60.

00:14:50.000 From time to time, America faces threats from monsters who want to destroy our democracy.

00:14:56.000 That happened in 1861 with the Confederacy.

00:15:00.000 Pearl Harbor, 1941, 9-11, 2001.

00:15:05.000 You see where I'm going.

00:15:06.000 What we see in this indictment is that on January 6, 2021, Donald Trump, just like those other threats to American democracy, tried to destroy our system.

00:15:18.000 And the thing is, Joe and Mika and Willie and everyone, it's almost happening again this morning.

00:15:24.000 Just as you said, who is the Republican frontrunner?

00:15:28.000 Donald Trump threatening to do it all again, but even more effectively, saying he's going to institute a presidential dictatorship that we may assume is going to take our democracy away.

00:15:40.000 And morning, Mika.

00:15:42.000 Yeah, of course.

00:15:42.000 Totally like Pearl Harbor, exactly like 9-11.

00:15:45.000 This is the whole point.

00:15:47.000 What Michael Beschloss is saying on MSNBC is to continue to set the baseline that half the country are moral equivalents of Nazi Germany, of the Axis powers of World War II, of the Confederacy, or of Al-Qaeda or bin Laden.

00:16:12.000 And this is now, they're starting to say this over and over again.

00:16:15.000 The Patriot Act, largely passed thanks to people like Lady Graham and others, they are chomping at the bit for an excuse to use government authority to now just destroy the conservative MAGA movement.

00:16:32.000 They're already doing it with these indictments, but now they're increasing the volume and saying, you know what?

00:16:38.000 MAGA is ISIS. 0.67

00:16:40.000 MAGA is al-Qaeda. 0.97

00:16:42.000 MAGA is Nazi Germany. 0.76

00:16:45.000 Not like them, they actually are that thing.

00:16:49.000 This is the inevitable conclusion of a political movement, the left, that is terrified of losing their political control.

00:16:59.000 Why do they hate speech?

00:17:01.000 Because they might have to actually defend their indefensible positions.

00:17:05.000 Why can't they allow us to express our opinions?

00:17:08.000 They know that the chemical castration of children and open borders, not popular with most of the country.

00:17:13.000 So we'll just put you in prison because we need to hold on to political power.

00:17:17.000 The truth, or even questions that lead to the truth, is always a direct threat to tyranny.

00:17:25.000 That's why Mao, Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, and Biden needs to put their political dissidents in jail.

00:17:34.000 Hey, everybody, Charlie Kirk here.

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00:18:38.000 Joining us now is Vivek Ramaswamy, who's running an excellent presidential campaign, defying all the experts out there and listening to the conservative base.

00:18:47.000 Vivek, welcome to the program.

00:18:49.000 Tell us about the lawsuit that you are filing against the Department of Justice.

00:18:53.000 Well, Charlie, I didn't want to sit by and be a bystander as we're watching the politicization of our justice system.

00:18:59.000 I believe in the truth, and I think that we are being lied to about what role the political actors are playing, Biden and Merrick Garland, in this politicized persecution through prosecution of my competitor in this race, the 45th president of the United States, Donald Trump.

00:19:15.000 And so I actually had filed, using the traditional legal process, a Freedom of Information Act request to demand, as any citizen can, any documents of what Biden told Garland or what Garland told Jack Smith in the classified documents case.

00:19:33.000 The law lays out a specific timeline.

00:19:35.000 They have to meet to at least provide minimal information.

00:19:38.000 They didn't meet that.

00:19:39.000 That gives me standing to sue them in federal court.

00:19:42.000 That's exactly what I've done.

00:19:43.000 with a fresh round of demands that I've also made in relation to this most recent prosecution.

00:19:49.000 And the reason I'm doing this is because I think it will become that much more difficult.

00:19:54.000 So what Vivek is saying is that he as a presidential candidate who, by the way, has a vested interest to see Donald Trump falter because he's running against him, is actually doing the right thing to sue the Department of Justice.

00:20:08.000 I'm really encouraged by this, and this is a theme that we hit on this program, time and time and time again, which is where is the opposition party in this country?

00:20:18.000 If you are using this as an opportunity while our own government becomes Soviet and Maoist against Donald Trump to say, oh, you know, get a little jab in here and a little jab in here, you are a waste of time.

00:20:31.000 Vivek is doing the right thing by doing this.

00:20:33.000 I want to play a piece of tape here while we get Vivek Ramaswamy back.

00:20:36.000 He deserves a lot of credit for what he's doing here.

00:20:38.000 I believe, do we have, oh, we have Adam Kinzinger, which is, I just see him in my, every time I see Adam Kinzinger in my cut sheet, I was like, oh, great.

00:20:50.000 Do we have, boy, this is a long cut sheet we have here.

00:20:54.000 Do we have the Mark Levin from this morning on Mike Pence?

00:20:57.000 I think it was excellent.

00:20:58.000 But if not, let's just play Adam Kinzinger.

00:21:00.000 Here's your opposition party.

00:21:02.000 Adam Kinzinger says out loud what most Republicans in Congress actually believe.

00:21:07.000 It's not that Adam Kinzinger is an outlier.

00:21:10.000 It's that he actually has the fortitude to say it out loud.

00:21:19.000 Play cut 125.

00:21:21.000 They're saying the president has a right to lie.

00:21:24.000 Okay, fine.

00:21:25.000 The president really doesn't have a right to lie when it leads to an attempted coup.

00:21:29.000 And that's what I think people are missing.

00:21:31.000 This isn't just the president speaking.

00:21:33.000 The president, first off, when you make an oath, when you swear an oath to the Constitution to uphold and defend it, you have to live by those standards.

00:21:40.000 But secondarily, when you cause people to, in essence, attempt a coup, and that's what this was, you have to be held accountable.

00:21:48.000 What they're in essence saying is, as long as the coup fails, well, then it's just freedom of speech.

00:21:53.000 If it succeeds, then, of course, they're in power and they can do whatever they want.

00:21:57.000 That is very dangerous for this country. 0.97

00:21:59.000 And I think, I mean, that's probably the only defense they can make in terms of the First Amendment, but I think it's asinine. 0.84

00:22:06.000 Several, a lot of Republican leaders agree completely with Adam Kinzinger. 0.95

00:22:10.000 It was a coup.

00:22:10.000 Get him out of the way.

00:22:12.000 How do you launch a coup if you're the sitting president?

00:22:15.000 Every single Republican running for the presidency should be outraged.

00:22:19.000 They should be in D.C.

00:22:20.000 They should be filing lawsuits.

00:22:22.000 But instead, they say, you know what?

00:22:25.000 Not me.

00:22:26.000 That is vichy French attitude. 0.90

00:22:29.000 Vivek stands alone.

00:22:30.000 Vivek, welcome back.

00:22:31.000 I know there's some technical stuff.

00:22:32.000 Vivek, please continue as to why you are doing this.

00:22:36.000 Well, I was in D.C. earlier today in front of the courthouse, Charlie.

00:22:39.000 I also made the announcement just because it would be a lot easier for me, let's be really honest, if Donald Trump were eliminated from competition.

00:22:46.000 I'm running third in the Republican national polls right now.

00:22:49.000 But that's not how I want to win this election.

00:22:51.000 We are in this for the country.

00:22:54.000 And I think we set a dangerous precedent, Charlie, if the party in power is using untested novel legal theories that have never once been applied by a prosecutor, let alone upheld by a judge, to arrest and indict their political opposition.

00:23:10.000 And so I believe that Jack Smith and Merrick Garland and Joe Biden are not telling the truth.

00:23:15.000 I think there is an absolute political component to this, which explains the fact that there are three different indictments right around the exact same time, which happens to be in the middle of a presidential election.

00:23:27.000 And so I believe in the truth.

00:23:29.000 I believe the government should trust the people with the truth.

00:23:32.000 I think there is no such thing as a noble lie.

00:23:35.000 And so we're using legal means to demand the White House and the Justice Department to expose exactly what correspondences they had with Jack Smith, the supposed special prosecutor.

00:23:49.000 And I think that we have to stand for the rule of law, Charlie, because the way it works right now is the government basically says the people can't be trusted with the truth, be it the truth about COVID-19, be it the truth about Hunter Biden, the truth about Ukraine, the truth about who directed what in this prosecution of Donald Trump, the truth about that shooter manifesto of the transgender shooter in Nashville.

00:24:10.000 I was in Nashville yesterday calling for the release of that manifesto.

00:24:14.000 We the people can handle the truth.

00:24:18.000 And that's the bottom line, Charlie, that we the people have to stand up for.

00:24:21.000 And the good news is at least there are means within the law to actually use to demand answers.

00:24:27.000 And that's what I'm doing, not just in my capacity as a presidential candidate, but in my capacity as a citizen of this country. 0.77

00:24:33.000 Well, look, Vivek is running a presidential campaign unlike any of these other losers.

00:24:37.000 By the way, Noble Lie comes from Plato's Republic. 0.71

00:24:41.000 It's book three where it's a knowingly propagated lie by the elite to maintain social harmony.

00:24:48.000 Goes back thousands of years.

00:24:49.000 And think about all the, quote, noble lies that these philosopher kings, the people in the clouds, tell you.

00:24:55.000 We're part of the secret society we know better than you.

00:24:58.000 Fauci, Comey, Brennan, Burks, Lerner, Lynch, Obama, Biden.

00:25:05.000 So, Vivek, you are going after the truth.

00:25:09.000 Yesterday, you were in Nashville, yesterday, the day before, Nashville calling for the release of the trans shooter manifesto.

00:25:18.000 That's been memory hold, hasn't it?

00:25:20.000 What's the latest?

00:25:21.000 And tell us why you were in Nashville demanding for the release of the manifesto.

00:25:27.000 Well, the reason I went this month, Charlie, is I waited.

00:25:29.000 I mean, you had the governor.

00:25:30.000 And by the way, we're talking about a Republican governor here who in April basically gestured towards them saying they would release the manifesto.

00:25:39.000 We're now sitting in August.

00:25:40.000 That manifesto has not been released.

00:25:43.000 In every major mass shooting, they always release the manifesto, but this time because the transgender shooter, they didn't do it. 0.99

00:25:50.000 And you know what?

00:25:50.000 Later this month, this is the dirty little secret, Charlie.

00:25:53.000 This is why I went down there.

00:25:54.000 On August 21st, that governor is convening a special session of the legislature.

00:26:00.000 To take guns away.

00:26:01.000 To pass.

00:26:02.000 Yep, exactly.

00:26:03.000 Governor Bill Lee, I got to interrupt.

00:26:04.000 Governor Bill Lee, governor of Tennessee, wants to take your firearms away in Tennessee, but is working in harmony to know that you don't see the manifesto.

00:26:12.000 Continue Vivek Ramaswamy.

00:26:14.000 That's exactly why I went down there.

00:26:16.000 Because now, what have we learned in the last several years, Charlie?

00:26:19.000 We make our worst laws and policy decisions as a country when we do so on false pretenses.

00:26:26.000 Think about what happened with the vaccines.

00:26:28.000 Think about what happened with the lockdowns.

00:26:30.000 Had we known what lockdowns would do, had we been told the truth about the myocarditis risks, and otherwise we would not have adopted the policies that we did.

00:26:39.000 Well, now we're repeating that same mistake because we know this was driven by a mentally deranged, psychologically ill person who identified in the wrong gender, went to a Christian school and shot people.

00:26:51.000 There is a manifesto that the government usually releases that the government officials here said that they would release, yet they have not released and yet have the gall now to call a special session of the legislature.

00:27:03.000 This is not an exaggeration.

00:27:05.000 By the way, the grassroots in Tennessee have been blowing me up.

00:27:07.000 They say Charlie, Governor Bill Lee, doesn't care about the manifesto.

00:27:10.000 He wants to take our guns away.

00:27:11.000 Special session, all red legislature, and people are fired up.

00:27:15.000 We have to, we got to, this is a real big problem.

00:27:17.000 And Vivek, you're one of the few people.

00:27:19.000 By the way, why do we need Democrats if we have Republicans like this?

00:27:22.000 This is a theme that I keep on hitting and hitting.

00:27:24.000 And Vivek, you're making a lot of waves across the board.

00:27:27.000 I love it.

00:27:28.000 You're going after the truth.

00:27:30.000 Just I'll let you riff on this.

00:27:32.000 Your stance on the 9-11 Commission report, this made people so angry.

00:27:35.000 But quite honestly, maybe there is more to the story.

00:27:38.000 Maybe there's something that we don't know.

00:27:39.000 I don't trust the government.

00:27:41.000 In fact, I'll wear that shirt time and time again.

00:27:44.000 I think the government is lying to you.

00:27:46.000 Vivek Ramaswamy, do you think our federal government is lying to us about what happened on 9-11?

00:27:51.000 Well, you don't need to take that from me, Charlie.

00:27:53.000 And I'm not one for conspiracy theories.

00:27:55.000 I'm just for the reality, the truth of the matter.

00:27:58.000 So you want to know what happened actually two years ago, the FBI finally, 20 years later, declassified documents relating to 9-11 that, lo and behold, confirmed something that they had long denied, that one of the graduate students, the 42-year-old graduate student that welcomed two al-Qaeda hijackers, did actually have ties to the Saudi government as working for the Saudi intelligence agency.

00:28:22.000 For years, they lied about it and said the contrary.

00:28:25.000 This is the same government that repeatedly lied in the post-9-11 era about weapons of mass destruction, saying that Pat Tillman in Afghanistan was killed by enemy fire, when in fact he was.

00:28:36.000 That's a great point.

00:28:37.000 That's right.

00:28:38.000 The government that lies to you, you can't believe them when they just expect you to take the truth from on high.

00:28:43.000 And I think that skepticism is good, Charlie.

00:28:45.000 I think we need more of that core of the American revolution.

00:28:48.000 It's how you have a free society.

00:28:49.000 I mean, by the way, we should have in our studio, guys, so we don't forget, the big lies of the last 30 years, right?

00:28:55.000 Vaccine safe and effective.

00:28:57.000 Border is completely secure.

00:28:59.000 Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation.

00:29:02.000 Lockdowns are going to save kids' lives.

00:29:04.000 Weapons of mass destruction.

00:29:06.000 We need a surge in Iraq. 1.00

00:29:07.000 The COVID origin.

00:29:08.000 Yeah, the COVID origin, great point.

00:29:10.000 Lab leak theory, right?

00:29:12.000 I mean, how many times do we have to be lied to by these people until we realize that there's more to the game?

00:29:19.000 He is doing very, very well.

00:29:21.000 And I got to tell you, I want a Republican Party that speaks like Vivek Ramaswamy, that fights like Vivek, that asks the tough questions.

00:29:28.000 I don't need to be lectured by Mike Pence about how beautiful our justice system is or about how Zelensky, the uppity foreigner in a t-shirt, needs more of our taxpayer money or why Ukraine is our problem. 1.00

00:29:41.000 It's not.

00:29:42.000 If Ron DeSantis was running a campaign like Vivek Ramaswamy, this thing would be a race.

00:29:46.000 Instead, Ron DeSantis is talking about corporate tax cuts.

00:29:49.000 Vivek Ramaswamy is demanding the release of the Trans Shooter Manifesto and saying, were we told the truth about 9-11?

00:29:54.000 Based.

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00:31:00.000 Vivek, you got to fill me in.

00:31:01.000 When you're on the ground in Tennessee, why is a deep red state like Tennessee have a governor that wants to take people's guns away but seems afraid to go after the trans lobby?

00:31:10.000 What's going on here?

00:31:11.000 It's a deeper failure of the managerial class, Charlie, and it pervades both political parties.

00:31:16.000 We have to graduate from this idea that it's about Republicans and Democrats.

00:31:21.000 It is not.

00:31:22.000 It is about the managerial class versus the everyday citizen.

00:31:26.000 And the Republican Party is controlled by the same donor puppet masters, or at least the same kinds of donor puppet masters as the ones that control the Democrat Party.

00:31:34.000 And so when it comes to the U.S. president, we need somebody who is not a super PAC puppet.

00:31:39.000 We need an independent patriot who speaks the truth.

00:31:42.000 And I think that goes for most governor positions in this country as well.

00:31:46.000 There is this culture of fear, and Republicans are not immune to it.

00:31:50.000 You're not vaccinated just because you call yourself a Republican from the culture of fear that's spreading like a virus across this country.

00:31:57.000 And so my answer is, I don't care if you're Republican or Democrat, especially if you're Republican, I'm going to call that out, stand for truth, and that's why I was in Nashville.

00:32:05.000 Yep, here's the article right here.

00:32:07.000 Governor Bill Lee promises to make special session call, sponsors bills amid Republican opposition.

00:32:14.000 Governor Lee is working with Democrats, it says in the article.

00:32:18.000 This is tennessee at Lookout.com.

00:32:21.000 They want to have a special session for red flag laws.

00:32:24.000 Here's a red flag law that if you are currently under the trans delusion, then maybe we should reconsider that.

00:32:31.000 Oh, you can't say that.

00:32:32.000 What's the red flag you want to put in then?

00:32:34.000 Why don't you release the manifesto so we know what was driving this lunatic that killed those kids, which was a hate crime against Christians?

00:32:42.000 Why won't Bill Lee say that?

00:32:43.000 It's really strange.

00:32:46.000 So, Vivek, tell us about the race in general.

00:32:50.000 It seems as if you have a lot of momentum.

00:32:53.000 The debates are coming up.

00:32:56.000 You're one of the few candidates that is willing to speak the truth.

00:33:00.000 Give us an update.

00:33:01.000 Where are you?

00:33:01.000 What are you hearing?

00:33:02.000 What are you seeing?

00:33:03.000 Well, look, I'm hoping the debate stage doesn't devolve into a boring setting of everyone just agreeing on everything and the easy issues.

00:33:10.000 Yes, we're all against wokeness. 0.95

00:33:12.000 Yes, we're all against higher tax rates if that's what's going to shrink the economy.

00:33:17.000 But I didn't want to talk about the hard things.

00:33:19.000 I want to talk about Ukraine.

00:33:21.000 I want to talk about our foreign policy.

00:33:23.000 I want to talk about how we're directing hundreds of billions of dollars to protect an invasion across somebody else's border that we could instead be using to protect the invasion across our own southern border.

00:33:33.000 And so I think that's actually something that people are hungry for, Charlie, is that the good news is we agree on a lot in the Republican Party, and that's great.

00:33:40.000 But instead of actually obsessing over that and hiding from where we differ, I'd say let's smoke out the differences.

00:33:46.000 Let's talk about pardons for the peaceful protesters on January 6th.

00:33:50.000 Let's talk about a commitment, making sure that we don't make these allegations against a former U.S. president through this persecution.

00:33:57.000 I want to smoke out the more difficult topics.

00:34:00.000 And that's what I'm doing on the campaign trail, Charlie, is, yeah, I'll tell people all the stuff they want to hear and they agree with.

00:34:05.000 But my view is it's the old quote: you know, if you care about somebody, you tell them the truth.

00:34:10.000 If you care about yourself, you tell them what they want to hear.

00:34:13.000 That's what the Republican Party is doing a lot of.

00:34:16.000 I think part of the reason our campaign is succeeding is that I am speaking the truth, even when they are hard truths.

00:34:22.000 And that's the approach I'm going to take to the end.

00:34:24.000 And if that's the winning strategy, then great.

00:34:26.000 And if it's the losing strategy, so be it.

00:34:28.000 I'd rather lose an election than to be some puppet parroting slogans that are poll tested and designed to win.

00:34:35.000 That's not how I do it.

00:34:36.000 So, Vivek, just looking at the candidates that are not named Trump, what are your thoughts on kind of their policy position and stances and their reaction to kind of what's been happening the last couple weeks and months?

00:34:49.000 I'm sure it must in some ways be surprising that the Republican Party is really filled with a bunch of gutless wonders.

00:34:56.000 It's very disappointing, actually, Charlie, but it also gives me now my sense of motivation because it does take an outsider to speak with the spine.

00:35:05.000 And now I get it.

00:35:06.000 I understand why, because many of those same mega donors are, I mean, I can't tell you the number of texts I got after, by the way, that it was a completely distortion of what I even said, even asking questions about areas where the government may have lied to us, including but not limited to 9-11.

00:35:23.000 But the same thing with respect to my Ukraine position, the same thing with respect to actually my extensive discussion about bank bailouts that I'm dead set against.

00:35:32.000 I have lost major donors over these positions, and I'm okay with that.

00:35:37.000 I've put over $15 million of my hard-earned money into this campaign, and we'll stop at nothing.

00:35:43.000 I'd rather do that than be dependent on somebody else who's going to restrain what I said.

00:35:47.000 You got to energize what I've learned.

00:35:48.000 Because there's one other thing, Vivek.

00:35:49.000 I want you to tell about the lawsuit with the World Economic Forum that you cleared up a lie that some people, unfortunately, are believing because of rumor chatter.

00:35:56.000 Minute remaining, Vivek, tell us about this.

00:35:58.000 Well, the World Economic Forum, I have been a top opponent against them.

00:36:01.000 I started a company to fight the ESG agenda.

00:36:03.000 I've written books about this.

00:36:05.000 They had the gall to name me on a list of young global leaders with a bunch of other young billionaires.

00:36:10.000 I said, no, absolutely not.

00:36:11.000 I refuse it.

00:36:12.000 And when they refuse to actually take down the name or they fail to, I believe in action.

00:36:16.000 So I sued them.

00:36:18.000 And guess what?

00:36:18.000 We got everything that we asked for.

00:36:21.000 I'm proud to say, most importantly, they have made a hard commitment that they will never do this to anybody again, as they've done to folks from Elon Musk to Glenn Beck in the past.

00:36:31.000 It's not going to happen again.

00:36:32.000 We got every demand we met in the lawsuit, but that was honestly the most important one, Charlie, because this isn't about my money or winning or anything else.

00:36:40.000 This is about doing what's right to make sure we push back against these guys.

00:36:44.000 So I'll say now the World Economic Forum tried to put me on their list.

00:36:47.000 Well, I put Klaus Schwab on mine, and that's exactly how we're going to roll.

00:36:50.000 We're going to win with action, not playing with kid gloves.

00:36:54.000 We're playing with the real thing.

00:36:55.000 And if you want to get into a fight with me, believe me, you're going to have to pay for it.

00:36:59.000 Vivek Ramaswamy, keep telling the truth.

00:37:02.000 It is shaking up.

00:37:04.000 The Republican primary was supposed to be happy talk.

00:37:07.000 It's supposed to be, it's morning in America if we're able to get rid of Donald Trump.

00:37:10.000 Vivek is like, boom, we're going to not have that happening.

00:37:13.000 Trans Manifesto, 9-11, where's the virus from?

00:37:16.000 Why are we funding Ukraine?

00:37:18.000 Why is the border wide open?

00:37:19.000 War on the cartels.

00:37:20.000 He is shaking up the Republican primary for the better.

00:37:23.000 Vivek, keep going.

00:37:25.000 Thank you.

00:37:26.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:27.000 Email us your thoughts.

00:37:28.000 As always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:31.000 Thank you so much for listening, and God bless.

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The Charlie Kirk Show - August 03, 2023

Expose the Tyranny of Lies with Vivek Ramaswamy

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