00:00:37.000His spirit, his love of this country, he's done an amazing job building one of the most powerful youth organizations ever created, Turning Point USA.
00:00:45.000We will not embrace the ideas that have destroyed countries, destroyed lives, and we are going to fight for freedom on campuses across the country.
00:01:11.000We booked you to discuss your free speech bill, which I want to get to.
00:01:14.000But first, I just want to get your reaction.
00:01:16.000Trump indictment, Department of Justice Jack Smith.
00:01:20.000How is the House Republican Conference going to respond to this continual Stalinistic approach from our government?
00:01:26.000So, Charlie, that is the news worth talking about.
00:01:29.000And you know me well enough to know how I'd like to respond to it.
00:01:35.000And this is something the American people need to understand and the leadership of the Republican Party need to continually be questioned about.
00:01:44.000We could, in the spending bills being prepared right now for the September 30 fiscal year deadline, we could say we're not passing anything unless and until you defund Jack Smith's special counsel office that is prosecuting this gross attack on the First Amendment of the Constitution.
00:02:05.000Leave aside whatever you think about Donald Trump one way or the other, this is the consummation, the brazen consummation of what we've seen and what's been called by that district judge, United States district judge in Louisiana, as the worst attack on free speech in the history of the United States, talking about the censorship with social media across the federal enterprise.
00:02:30.000Well, that's nothing compared to this.
00:02:33.000It is 45 pages of statements where Donald Trump said something about the election.
00:02:39.000Somebody who was an official position said something else.
00:02:43.000Therefore, Donald Trump was obliged to shut up and sit down and say nothing else about the election.
00:02:49.000And they've turned that into a crime, three crimes.
00:02:55.000And Republicans, I just want to make this clear.
00:02:57.000Republicans in the House could stop this right away.
00:03:03.000I've seen House Republican colleagues who say, gosh, we can't even take any of the money back from the FBI for their headquarters that will be larger than the Pentagon.
00:03:13.000I can't imagine what those people will say about what I've just suggested, but we could stop it.
00:03:18.000So, I mean, let's just get straight to it.
00:03:20.000So, we could defund, we could stop it.
00:03:49.000So you'd have to force your way through this.
00:03:51.000But it would take serious determination.
00:03:54.000I just believe that when the interference that the FBI and the DOJ have now run in every election in recent memory comes to the point that they're trying to criminalize obviously protected free speech of the most recently elected president of the United States and, oh, by the way, the leading candidate for the one major party for the next election, it is time to say enough is enough.
00:04:20.000And to me, it rises to the top of a very long list of priorities.
00:04:25.000Yeah, it's puzzling and really frustrating.
00:04:27.000So, Congressman, tell us about your free speech bill as well.
00:04:30.000It ties into the indictment, which itself is a criminalization of wrongthink.
00:04:37.000This is, I mean, it's exactly what the topic was in terms of the bill I've got.
00:04:42.000And what it does is there's long been a bill or a statute, a civil rights statute enacted right after the Civil War that allows people to bring private claims for relief, lawsuits, against state officials who violate their constitutional rights.
00:04:58.000It's not been done for federal officials who violate your rights.
00:05:02.000A couple of those have been allowed in a couple of cases, the Fourth Amendment, the Eighth Amendment, under law made by the Supreme Court over time, but not the First Amendment.
00:05:12.000And what this bill would do would put federal officials who deny First Amendment rights, who abuse First Amendment rights of private citizens, in exactly the same position.
00:05:22.000You could sue federal officials for that wrong.
00:05:25.000And that's exactly what needs to happen.
00:05:28.000Harriet Hageman of Wyoming and I have co-sponsored this bill's original sponsors.
00:05:35.000I wouldn't put it in the same priority as what I just said about defunding the DOJ's witch hunt of President Trump, but it ought to be a priority.
00:05:46.000By the way, we would materially benefit from this because we were targeted by our own government, and they outsource it, right, Congressman?
00:05:54.000And they think they're being cute or tricky.
00:05:56.000And by the way, we're entertaining a very serious lawsuit.
00:05:59.000We're in our final stages of all, I mean, it's like tons of legal fees and all this against the Department of Homeland Security because our Twitter account was, I can't remember, is the Election Partnership Institute.
00:06:18.000Michael Schellenberger famously dubbed it the censorship industrial complex.
00:06:23.000I prefer to call it the censorship laundering enterprise.
00:06:26.000But all of these federal agencies, as Secretary Mayorkis used the terminology, across the federal enterprise, the Cybersecurity Infrastructure and Security Agency called CISA, the FBI's Foreign Influence Task Force, the State Department's, I can't even remember what the GEC stands for, all these three-letter agencies all embedded themselves with social media companies directly, but more significant, allied themselves,
00:06:54.000made grants to these pseudo-academic institutions like the Stanford Internet Project, and they formed these ad hoc things.
00:07:04.000There was the Election Integrity Partnership, then there was the Virality Project dealing with COVID.
00:07:09.000And they just picked whole narratives to be squashed on social media.
00:07:14.000And they essentially threatened social media, essentially.
00:07:18.000They did it directly, that they'd take away their Section 230 protections and so forth.
00:07:23.000They would hurt them if they didn't do what they were told.
00:07:27.000And that's what the judge in Louisiana said.
00:07:29.000His injunction's been temporarily administratively stayed by an appellate court.
00:07:35.000But he's found in an almost 200-page opinion all the facts in terms of how They deprived you and many other speakers, but also as importantly, every American who has a First Amendment right of access to information of all kinds of stuff, not stuff that just originated abroad, to which that constitutional right still applies, by the way, but stuff from domestic sources, including somebody important as you.
00:08:06.000So hopefully this bill has some form of momentum.
00:08:09.000The Democrat Party seems completely uninterested in partnering with this.
00:08:13.000In fact, their whole theme right now is trying to go after what they call disinformation of misinformation.
00:08:20.000And, you know, the work that we do on campuses at Turning Point USA, we've been warning for the last half decade, hey, there's a real troubling theme amongst college kids that they can use political power against speech they don't like.
00:08:32.000Congressman, your reaction to this broader cultural issue now starts on college campuses, and now it's in the indictment.
00:08:38.000The very same thing in the indictment is, I don't like your opinions, Donald Trump.
00:08:43.000Now you have a conspiracy to defraud rights.
00:08:45.000Is that an overreach or an overestimation of what's going on here, Congressman?
00:08:51.000They are all thematically connected, and it is a fundamental transformation of the Democratic Party from their prior notions.
00:09:01.000So, you know, one of the oddest thing has been sitting in the, I'm on the select subcommittee on the weaponization of the federal government, of which this is one of the biggest topics.
00:09:44.000I believe this is a problem across the political spectrum, though.
00:09:49.000And ultimately, I don't know how we get there, but ultimately, because there's a BLM activist, for example, who the Justice Department extended their reach to in one of these plots to sort of entrap people.
00:10:04.000Have you seen like in the Whitmer kidnapping plot?
00:10:08.000There is an idea that there is an orthodoxy, the deep state, if you will, the security state, is going to punish people who believe wrongly.
00:10:17.000They're going to use the criminal law to do so.
00:10:20.000And it is as dangerous a threat as I've ever seen in my lifetime.
00:10:27.000And I'm telling you, as I say, the Jack Smith indictment of Trump is the capstone of what we're seeing in the Democratic Party that is authoritarian to its core at the moment.
00:12:14.000It's Cut 77, who is, this was the Prime Minister of New Zealand.
00:12:18.000I don't know if she's still the Prime Minister or not, where she effectively says, if you do not hear it from the government, it is not true.
00:14:25.000First of all, Mr. Pence, this is an indictment, not a conviction.
00:14:31.000He is treating this indictment as if it's totally true.
00:14:35.000The same regime that lied about the Russia hoax, lied about the vaccine, lied about lockdowns, lied about the source of COVID, lied about Ukrainian situational stuff happening in Ukraine, lied about all of it.
00:14:47.000And yet we must take what they're saying as gospel.
00:14:50.000Here is what he has said, in Mike Pence's own words.
00:14:52.000I will have more to say about the government's case after reviewing the indictment.
00:14:56.000The former president is entitled to the presumption of innocence, but with this indictment, his candidacy means more talk about January 6th and even more distractions, Mike Pence calls it.
00:15:04.000As Americans, his candidacy means less attention paid to Joe Biden's disastrous economic policies afflicting millions across the United States and the pattern of corruption with Hunter.
00:15:13.000Our country is more important than one man.
00:15:15.000Our Constitution is more important than any one man's career.
00:15:17.000On January 6th, former President Trump demanded that I choose between him and the Constitution.
00:15:21.000I choose the Constitution and always will.
00:15:24.000As your president, I will not yield an inch in defending America, our people, our values, I promise you.
00:15:29.000I will do so in a consistent with my oath to the Constitution and the character and decency of the American people will restore a threshold of integrity and civility in public life so we can bring real solutions to the challenges plaguing our nation.
00:16:00.000Not the out-of-control administrative state, not this.
00:16:02.000And here is the point: Mike Pence wants to be spared.
00:16:07.000Mike Pence knows that this Department of Justice is out of control.
00:16:11.000He thinks that true conservative is to surrender as long as I get book deals and I get to be controlled opposition.
00:16:20.000Mike Pence is David French conservatism, Vichy French conservatism, eat me last conservatism.
00:16:28.000Mike Pence says you can indict everybody, but don't touch me because I say acceptable stuff, but will never actually be totally disagreeable or challenge the real issues that are destroying America.
00:16:37.000I'm Mike Pence and I'm an honorable man.
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00:18:04.000And amazingly enough, Charlie, it seems to happen every week the day after there are major Biden revelations, whether it was earlier in the summer when the FBI shows the evidence that Joe Biden was involved.
00:18:17.000The next day, there was the original Mar-a-Lago indictment.
00:18:20.000Then you had the Hunter Biden Kush plea deal two weeks ago that was a better deal than any human being would ever get in the world, plus blanket immunity for anything else he may have done in perpetuity.
00:18:36.000The next day, they add on to the Trump thing.
00:18:40.000Then you have Devin Archer, Hunter Biden's business partner and BFF, going in to testify before House oversight.
00:18:49.000Magically, Charlie, as though we haven't noticed the pattern already, the next day, to distract from what's actually going on in the real world, the actual most corrupt president to ever sit in the oval office, you know, stuff that makes Watergate seem like kindergarten, you have another Trump indictment.
00:19:11.000You know, we're on, what, you know, 4,763.
00:19:14.000I mean, we live in a banana republic, Charlie.
00:19:16.000There's no other way to talk about it.
00:19:18.000I mean, the political persecution of your enemies in a democracy and a republic such as ours isn't supposed to happen.
00:19:31.000Our masters in the big tech sphere, our mainstream media.
00:19:35.000You know, they talk about the Trump indictment, not what's actually going on with people who've controlled the nuclear codes who have brought us to the brink of World War III with Russia.
00:19:44.000You know, again, over money made in the Ukraine.
00:19:47.000So who knows what else they have on the Bidens that's causing us to spend not just $130 billion, but also bring us perhaps to the brink of nuclear war.
00:19:57.000That's what's going on in our country.
00:19:59.000It's a sad state of affairs, and it's pretty pathetic.
00:20:02.000So, Don, I want to just reinforce what you're saying here.
00:20:04.000Here's a timeline: this is real stuff.
00:20:06.000And I'd love for some of these reporters to respond.
00:20:09.000June 7th, FBI releases documents to Congress alleging the Bidens took a $10 million bribe from Burisma.
00:20:15.000June 8th, Jack Smith indicts Trump and Mar-a-Lago documents.
00:20:18.000July 26th, Hunter Biden goes to court and gets rejection of the sweetheart plea deal.
00:20:22.000July 27th, Jack Smith adds more charges for Trump in the Mar-a-Lago case.
00:20:37.000And so what I have been most fired up about is the lack of response from Republicans.
00:20:44.000Mike Pence tweeted of your reaction to this yesterday, Don.
00:20:47.000Yesterday, Mike Pence said, today's indictment serves as an important reminder: anyone who puts himself over the Constitution should never be president of the United States.
00:21:02.000I had not been critical of him for plenty of things that I disagree with him on, but reading that and knowing what's going on, and he knows full well because he was part of Russia, Russia, Russia, and the precursors to all of this, I was wrong to have thought as highly of Mike Pence.
00:21:19.000Yeah, it's, I'll tell you, there's I've been more restrained than most on the Pence thing.
00:21:28.000Don, what is your reaction to the Devin Archer revelations and then what you had to go through with the Russia collusion nonsense for a couple of years?
00:21:37.000Yeah, so just for perspective, I did 50 hours of testimony.
00:21:40.000You had the head of the House Intelligence Committee saying that I had committed treason, a crime punishable by death.
00:21:47.000So for perspective, I took a 15, 20 minute meeting that everyone agrees was exactly as I stated, 50 hours of testimony for treason.
00:21:56.000I mean, that's kind of a big one, you know.
00:21:59.000And that happened in a tiny fraction, a matter of months.
00:22:05.000There was, you know, I looked at business deals with these people before.
00:22:10.000Remember, before we got into the world of politics, we actually built buildings.
00:22:15.000I don't know what Hunter Biden did before that, other than pedal influence, because his father was a career politician.
00:22:21.000There's credible paper trails, millions of dollars exchanged, corrupt regimes, whether it's China, Ukraine, Russia, money tied to human trafficking, drug trafficking, sex trafficking, you can't even make up.
00:22:34.000It reads like it's a scene out of narcos.
00:22:37.000And that's before you get to the Hunter Biden laptop from hell, the lies, the cover-up, the full-fledged interference by not just our mainstream media, not just big tech, but also our intelligence agencies and operatives.
00:22:51.000It seems that if Don Jr. would have done the things that Hunter Biden did, even a tiny fraction of them, he'd be in gitmo right now, and rightfully so.
00:22:58.000The fact that there's barely even coverage of these things, that there's barely, I mean, again, this stuff makes Watergate seem like garbage, like nothing.
00:23:08.000And I remember during Russia, Russia, Russia, you know, the Bob Woodwards, this is worse than, you know, every other day was something Trump did was worse than Watergate, even though he never did the things that they said were worse, but they, you know, they created that narrative.
00:23:22.000Their silence is deafening because if you're telling me that we're on the brink of war with Russia, we're funding not only a proxy war, but a boots on the ground war in Europe, what could possibly go wrong, with a nuclear superpower that has more warheads than we do, I'd say that's bigger than Watergate.
00:23:40.000If we're making decisions and sending $130 billion, and probably a large portion of the $220 billion that the Pentagon magically cannot account for, we are a corrupt and broken regime if we don't have a mainstream media that isn't even willing to ask the questions or Republicans who don't want to go all in because they're either a part of it or don't want to know the answers.
00:24:03.000I mean, if that's not bigger than Watergate, I don't know what is.
00:24:08.000I don't know what is, but it's happening right now.
00:24:10.000And you have a president that's sitting in there bringing us closer to the brink of war.
00:24:14.000Can't get through a sentence, but we're going to keep him in power because the Democrats have taken over every institution in our country and they've weaponized them and politicized them just like you see with the further indictments from Jack Smith this week, last week, the week before that, three weeks before that, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
00:24:33.000I just, it's just strange credulity that he flies to China with his son and doesn't ask once, by the way, where are you going to go in China?
00:24:41.000You know, what are the, are you doing business here?
00:24:44.000That he makes all these calls to these foods and dinners with foreign characters and he doesn't say, who were those guys?
00:25:39.000I legitimately feel like I'm living in the Truman show, Charlie.
00:25:43.000I'm waiting for like a TV camera to pop out of the ceiling and find out that I'm just being punked because it can't possibly be happening in the America that I know and love.
00:25:52.000And yet it is before our very eyes every day.
00:25:55.000So we better wake up to what's actually going on or we're going to be in serious trouble because we're no better than any of the banana republics we like to throw stones at proverbially about the way they run themselves.
00:26:08.000I mean, this is the Jack Smith, the press conference yesterday.
00:26:13.000And honestly, the Republican rhinos that are trying to maintain and or grab power by adopting the Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, Adam Schiff, January 6th unselect committee talking points to try to win some political capital during a primary, they're just as bad as the Democrats.
00:26:33.000So in closing here, Don, I want to get just kind of your reaction.
00:26:38.000There have been, unfortunately, the other Republicans running for the presidency, Ron DeSantis and others, the best one has been Vivek to his credit.
00:26:47.000They are not coming out very strong about this administrative state crusade against the top leading opponent.
00:26:54.000Can you just give us some window into the campaign?
00:26:57.000It looks like your father has more resolve, more fortitude, more fight than ever.
00:27:02.000Just give us a little bit of a picture in how your father is dealing with this and how he's more committed than ever to win the election in November of 2024.
00:27:39.000I saw Ron DeSanctimonius yesterday with his, well, I will now, in the high-pitched squeal voice of his, well, now take on the weaponization of government.
00:27:54.000Like, you know, yet another flip-flop with someone that I thought actually had some potential for the future of our party.
00:28:00.000It turns out, I guess, once you run for higher office, you're just bought by the, you know, the Karl Roves of the world and your consultants who, you know, have their other motives than, say, putting America first.
00:28:13.000So, you know, yet another flip-flop from these guys.
00:28:16.000You just realize how sad of a state of affairs, not just for the country in general, but even within our own party.
00:28:24.000We just have a bunch of weaklings and they're all beholden to the others and to the DC uni party establishment.
00:28:31.000And, you know, that's why they're going after Trump so hard.
00:28:34.000They want to make sure that not only does Trump never get back in there because he's the only threat to the power that they hold, but they also want to make sure to pass a message to anyone in the future who might hold a similar viewpoint, who may have been successful in the real world, not just within their bureaucracy, and wants to get involved and take part in our democratic process.
00:28:56.000They want to send a message to them loud and clear.
00:28:59.000Don't even think about stepping into our turf or we'll ruin you.
00:29:02.000And if you're a successful guy, you've done really well for yourself, you know, why on earth would you even bother?
00:29:07.000They would love for that apathy to exist so they can maintain their power because without it, they're nothing.
00:29:13.000Without it, they wouldn't be able, they'd barely be able to survive.
00:29:16.000They're good at one thing and functioning, and that's functioning in a bureaucracy.
00:29:19.000It's sort of like Anthony Fauci was never the best doctor.
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00:31:11.000Okay, something that we laid out a couple weeks ago was how the alternate electors were going to be the attack vector against Donald Trump.
00:31:21.000This is a total fiction, that they're trying to create this quote-unquote legal conspiracy around the idea of alternate electors.
00:31:31.000Now, we saw this very clearly, and this is exactly why they had to go after the MAGA supporters, the rank-and-file MAGA supporters in Michigan.
00:31:42.000This was us on our program laying it out, PlayCut 67.
00:31:46.000What is noteworthy here, and we'll go into the details of it, is why now?
00:31:54.000And it's obvious the alternate elector piece is critical to be able to prove Donald Trump, quote-unquote, prove Donald Trump was a seditious conspiracist.
00:32:10.000It is by no coincidence whatsoever that Donald Trump gets a letter from Jack Smith, and simultaneously, the Michigan Attorney General moves on these quote-unquote alternate electors.
00:32:28.000They're all tied together, and this is the largest part of the indictment.
00:32:31.000If you read through the indictment, it says in great detail that the core of it is the core conspirators, co-conspirators putting together alternate electors, which, by the way, alternate electors had legal precedent of being selected and chosen in the Kennedy-Nixon 1960 election.
00:32:54.000So they go after senior citizens in Michigan, first through the Michigan Attorney General, a totally captured state, by the way.
00:33:20.000The vice president could have sent it back to the states, and the judge in 1960, who selected the alternate electors in the Hawaii controversy of Kennedy and Nixon, said explicitly: if you would not have sent those electors, it could not have been chosen.
00:33:39.000The judge said that in 1960, the 1960 election.
00:33:43.000If you had not have sent them, we would not have been able to select them.
00:33:49.000And let me, I just, I'm curious, if you're trying to overthrow the government, who tweets about it?
00:33:56.000Every single one of these alternate electors tweeted in real time with pictures and selfies, here's our alternate electors.
00:34:02.000That's a rather weird way to overthrow the government.
00:34:17.000And John Eastman talked about it on our program.
00:34:20.000Component number one is that how these elections were conducted themselves were illegally conducted because they changed election law without going through the state legislature.
00:34:31.000So they send alternate electors saying the entire election itself might be invalidated as an illegal exercise.
00:34:40.000The second of which is: is there enough quote-unquote fraud or irregularities of ballot signatures, mass mail, and balloting, all this stuff?