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00:00:03.000This is an entire movie based on that, trying to break people out of the prison of manipulation.
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00:01:10.000Joining us now is Mike Smith, who's the director and producer of this new film called Into the Light, and also Dr. Keith Rose, a frequent guest on the Charlie Kirk Show and great friend.
00:01:19.000Keith and Mike, welcome to the program.
00:01:35.000I made a movie a few years ago called Out of Shadows.
00:01:38.000And when we set up, you know, when I made the film, it had a tremendous amount of success and it got millions of views and it got translated into like 24 different languages.
00:01:50.000And it went out, but we were heavily censored.
00:01:53.000I was removed from YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and PayPal.
00:01:58.000So it was really quite a learning experience.
00:02:03.000And one of the things we touched on in Out of Shadows was psychological operations.
00:02:09.000But in Into the Light, we went deeper.
00:02:12.000And the main focus of the film is everyone in this world, no matter where you live or no matter what country you're in or how you identify or what you know to be to believe to be true, we've all been manipulated.
00:02:28.000And people have a lot of questions about getting to the truth.
00:02:32.000And it's really hard to get to the truth now because there's so much disinformation and misinformation out there in the public that I felt like I, you know, being in the media had a different perspective of it.
00:02:46.000And I said, I was, you know, I pray a lot.
00:02:51.000And I felt like God was saying, hey, you need to explain to the public how they've been manipulated, why they were manipulated, and who's manipulated.
00:03:00.000Because until they understand that, they're not going to understand how to really disseminate and discern over the information they're receiving to find out what is the truth.
00:03:11.000So I set out on this journey and I got together with some amazing people.
00:03:38.000And these people were gracious enough to let me interview them and to pass off a lot of really, I think, important information that the public just needs to be aware of.
00:03:50.000So I would imagine, you know, it's a one-two into the light and also out of the shadows, which is obviously going back to the allegory of the cave, right?
00:03:58.000Which is there's people staring at a wall.
00:04:01.000It's Plato's allegory of the cave that we actually get the word education from this allegory: people staring at a wall, they're looking at puppets or shadows behind them.
00:04:09.000But there are many different dimensions to this.
00:04:12.000We'll build that out because an interesting part of the allegory is once you enter the light, they actually don't like it, but that's a separate issue.
00:04:18.000So, Keith, let's talk about who, what, or where.
00:04:20.000Can you just give some examples of some of the psychological mass manipulations that we are living through?
00:04:25.000Or just give one example that people might be able to attach to of how we are living through a simulation.
00:04:32.000Well, now, what's come out about COVID?
00:04:35.000When it first started, everyone was driven by fear.
00:04:39.000This movie touches on how you drive people, how they are influenced by the media, how they're influenced by the phone in their hands.
00:04:48.000And everyone had this almost irrational fear almost immediately about COVID.
00:04:54.000You have had actual information being censored, and then you had the real disinformation being pushed out, pumped out, and selectively placed into the feeds.
00:05:07.000Charlie, you have a great intelligence device in your hand every day.
00:05:12.000It's called your iPhone or your Android.
00:05:15.000And everything you do on that phone, and this movie goes into depth about this, is captured and it's evaluated.
00:05:24.000In the past, you would talk about demographics: you know, 30 to 40-year-olds, 45 to 55-year-olds.
00:05:31.000But when you're shaping, and this is what this movie is about, it's psychological shaping for an event.
00:05:37.000They're grabbing what they call psychographics.
00:05:40.000They're understanding your likes, your dislikes.
00:05:43.000They can actually follow what they can anticipate what you're going to look at and then place this information in a format which will be enticing to you into your feed.
00:05:55.000So, you would ask yourself, how can you get all the nations in the world to basically shut down almost simultaneously for a virus that we had almost identical virus back in the early 2000s?
00:06:08.000We knew how to treat it, but they didn't let any information get out.
00:06:12.000And then they were able to manipulate the information that was pushed out.
00:06:16.000And so, they understood each person's psychological profile.
00:06:20.000And the movie even talks about they have created a digital twin of a lot of people based on their search history, their likes, and things like that.
00:06:29.000So, it's basically taking that, you know, silent weapons for quiet wars paper to the next level using the internet.
00:06:37.000And it's about manipulating, shaping people to get them to do what they want.
00:06:42.000And the movie touches on this with the book, Unrestricted Warfare, written by the two Chinese colonels.
00:06:49.000And that's what General Flynn's been pushing: this fifth generation warfare where it's not with guns and bullets, it's with data and manipulation.
00:06:57.000Again, the movie is Into the Light Dot movie.
00:06:59.000Mike, what's one way that an audience member can recognize that they are being psychologically manipulated?
00:07:10.000What is the pattern that you can realize that what you're seeing is synthetic?
00:07:15.000Well, I think truth, like when you're when you find truth, you feel what you know what truth is when you hear it.
00:07:24.000And when you're when you're sitting back and you're just absorbing information and you're not able to process or critically analyze or think about it, and we talk about this in the movie, a lot of it is that they can polarize you or get you into one mindset or creating the situation where you're in a life fight or flight mode, you're not able to critically analyze or think.
00:07:50.000And so I guess that's a great question, Charlie, because it's not just one thing.
00:08:27.000Yeah, I was going to say, it's something when you see the movie and the movie really lays it out, it's hard to catch in a sound bite, understanding it.
00:08:35.000It's something you and I both have said, you know, sometimes you can't see it or hear it.
00:08:40.000You have to experience it and then you understand what it is.
00:08:44.000But it's that moment where, you know, you're talking about buying a new car and then on your Facebook feed, all you see are advertisements for new cars.
00:08:53.000You know that there's an algorithm running in the background that's listening to you talk.
00:08:59.000And it just takes it to the next level.
00:09:01.000So the way that this movie, a lot of people, I mean, we've had just an overwhelming response to this movie and it comes out.
00:09:08.000It teaches people, I tell them, don't look at the news for what they're saying, but step back and ask yourself, why are they saying it?
00:09:17.000You have to look at the time and point.
00:09:27.000But this will help people retrain the way they're thought, the way they think, to critically think about things and understand a little bit about the technology behind it and the mindset, because this movie goes and gives real world examples of what's happening.
00:09:43.000And it jumps into the WEF and a lot of other things.
00:09:47.000One of the positives of COVID, there's not very many of them, is that a portion of the American population are now seeking truth in a way I've never seen before.
00:09:57.000That is one of the blessings of something that was just so terrible, the lockdowns and the catastrophe.
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00:11:18.000I would add, one of the ways that you know you are being manipulated is that there's a force component.
00:11:25.000They force you to believe it or you're punished for not believing, whether it be smearing, censorship, you know that you are being psychologically manipulated if there's a penalty to believing the opposite.
00:11:42.000You know, we, every generation, I'm a little bit older than you.
00:11:47.000We want the next generation, our floor, our ceiling to be their floor.
00:11:54.000And right now, with the current movement, the socialist movement, they want our floor to be their ceiling.
00:12:02.000And the only way you can actually get a society to go backwards is to, like you said, aggressively censor information and make it a penalty if you say anything.
00:12:14.000I mean, look at, take, for instance, what's going on with President Trump right now and some of his mid-level staffers.
00:12:20.000They're not just going after President Trump.
00:12:23.000They're going after anyone that supports him.
00:12:25.000And people, that is to censor or prevent anyone from speaking out, helping him in his campaign, which is really, what is a campaign?
00:13:06.000Well, and the only way you can tell with something's true is I asked a guy in Treasury one time, this, how do you tell a counterfeit $100 bill?
00:13:13.000He says, you have to compare it to the original.
00:13:16.000And so if I can shape the news, shape the history that you're taught, you have no original to compare it to, then you'll accept my generation's floor as your generation's ceiling, which is exactly the opposite of what should be happening.
00:13:34.000As C.S. Lewis would say, you do not know a line is crooked unless you have a straight line to compare it to.
00:14:01.000This is the war between good and evil.
00:14:03.000And this is, I mean, think about what it is.
00:14:06.000They're trying to manipulate us into changing our human DNA, our God-given DNA.
00:14:10.000They're trying to remove us from the world that God created and move us into a technologically advanced world that man created to be like the world that God created.
00:14:20.000And we have a battle going on and the people have to wake up and understand that this is real.
00:14:31.000There is a battle between good and evil that's been going on before most of us were ever born.
00:14:36.000So we're just waking up to the fact that this is actually real because we don't consider these things to be real because we've been trained not to look or question this part of it.
00:14:47.000I mean, I meet Christians all the time that are what I call lukewarm.
00:15:26.000Satan stands in front of God and says, they chose my world, not yours.
00:15:31.000And we know that's not going to happen, but that's what he's ultimately trying to do, trying to manipulate the population into destroying God's greatest creation, which was man.
00:15:44.000One of the positives post-COVID that really stunned and shocked the elites was that there were still 30 to 35 million holdouts for the mRNA shop.
00:16:05.000It's not a majority, but it's a fighting 10% of 30 to 35 million, by the way, of blacks, of Hispanics, of men, of women, all across the board.
00:16:16.000In fact, more blacks per percentage than whites, go figure, that said no.
00:16:23.000It gives me hope that despite that it was the number one priority of the pharmaceutical companies and the government regime, the 30 to 35 million people resisted.
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00:19:24.000You know, like the way I look at this is if you're a police officer or you're in law enforcement, you understand that world.
00:19:33.000If you're a lawyer, you understand the legal world.
00:19:36.000If you're a physician, you understand the medical world.
00:19:39.000But I come from media and I spent 30 years from the bottom to the to the top.
00:19:45.000And I have a perspective of how media is used to, because I know this, if you give me money and time making films, I can make you believe anything I want you to believe.
00:19:55.000So knowing how that works, it's easy for me to understand how all this really works.
00:20:02.000But for the public, the average person who's worried about just going to work from Monday to Friday and they get time with their children on Saturday or they go to church on Sunday and they're back to work.
00:20:12.000They don't have the perspective to understand some of the ways that they're being manipulated.
00:20:20.000So unless somebody like myself or Dr. Rose or General Flynn or Lara, one of the best journalists in the world, goes out and explains to you, we've all been manipulated.
00:20:32.000And what I mean by that is, I mean, for me, for 30 years, I didn't see it.
00:20:38.000And if I worked in it for 30 years and couldn't see it, how's the average person in the population going to see it?
00:20:44.000How are they going to understand this unless somebody shows them?
00:20:48.000And I just felt like God told me, I want you to explain it to the people.
00:21:15.000If you don't have perspective or you don't have the knowledge because you haven't seen it or how it works, you're not going to be able to understand the way you're being manipulated.
00:21:28.000So let's play this tape here then, Keith.
00:22:12.000And I'll comment on this, but to go back to what you asked right before the break, the way they're able to pull this off is they're building a modern Tower of Babel.
00:22:23.000They're trying to build the human kingdom here instead of the kingdom of God.
00:22:28.000And you remember, they were only able to build the Tower of Babel or Babel, however you want to call it, while they all spoke the same language.
00:22:51.000But what they do is they will, they have to limit what we can say, but they also have to go after the next generation and set that expectation.
00:23:01.000And what you just played on that clip is you have some kids, they're in a recording studio, so they're already excited.
00:23:08.000And this guy does nothing but encourage them.
00:23:24.000And then at the very end, he kind of just throws in the hail Satan as almost an afterthought, but he knows what he's doing.
00:23:34.000And so the kids in their excitement, it's just being imprinted.
00:23:38.000But a lot of those kids probably couldn't tell you what he said, but it imprinted in their minds.
00:23:44.000And that's kind of what you're seeing in this fifth generation warfare.
00:23:48.000It starts out slow and then it picks up speed.
00:23:51.000You and I both are huge fans of Yuri Besminoff.
00:23:55.000This movie highlights Yuri Besmanoff in several places and explains how the progressive left, the socialist, the World Economic Forum has been able to take shaping a society to the next level.
00:24:11.000Because if you want to understand the shaping, this is not original.
00:24:14.000Remember, Satan counterfeits everything God creates.
00:24:17.000They're trying to create man's kingdom.
00:24:20.000And some of the clips in this movie will absolutely floor you.
00:24:23.000Yeah, Mike found some amazing clips about Dr. Harari and these other guys in their own words.
00:24:29.000He uses the words of the media, the words of the World Economic Forum, the words of certain influencers, and then reveals how they're shaping you.
00:24:40.000And the movie comes around to this is the problem, but this can be the antidote and ultimately the cure.
00:25:36.000That's just, let's make a name for ourselves.
00:25:38.000He didn't say this is the country that was founded on covenant with God.
00:25:42.000He said, we are who we've been waiting for.
00:25:45.000It makes man the king on the throne, and it's never worked in the arc of history.
00:25:51.000And understand that Gnosticism and Hermeticism are evil cousins of each other.
00:25:56.000It's this idea of combining the world to one mind.
00:25:59.000H.G. Wells wrote about this extensively: that there's going to be one dogma, there's going to be one collective consciousness, and Genesis 11 is a precursor to that.
00:26:09.000Mike, talk about the globalist components.
00:27:30.000We are a small group of people that will stand up and light a brushfire of freedom across this nation.
00:27:36.000And that's and that's that's what we're doing.
00:27:39.000We're going to light brush fires because you don't know who you're going to inspire.
00:27:42.000You don't know who you can reach if you're just talking about the truth and understanding that the founding of this country, the founding of this nation was founded on Christian principles.
00:27:54.000So if you if you don't that is that is what they want to take away from you.
00:28:03.000Either you stand for this country and the founding fathers and the principles that this nation was founded on and the tyranny that they escaped from because they're trying to bring it back and remove all of our freedoms.
00:28:15.000And I don't think, I don't think anybody has the right to do that to any man or woman or anybody for that matter.
00:28:23.000So Keith, can you actually comment on something I said before at how sizable the resistance was to the shot, considering the subsidies and the force?
00:28:58.000Why am I being told that it's my fault if I don't get the shot?
00:29:03.000And I think there's a huge boomerang effect going on right now because, you know, as we talked about, I think your show I was on with you and a few others was probably one of the first shows to even talk about this and push back really hard against the lockdowns and everything that was happening.
00:29:21.000I think that they're hitting critical mass because you can't cover up all the problems from the vaccine right now.
00:29:28.000And a lot of people are really thankful that they didn't take it.
00:29:32.000And a lot of people are also very regretful that they did.
00:29:36.000And there's a lot of really strong doctors that were good advocates against the vaccine from the beginning that are coming out with treatments for people that have taken the vaccine.
00:29:46.000But I think I heard one guy say it best.
00:29:50.000He says, we're willing to forgive the folks for trying to push this down our throats, but they have to admit they were wrong.
00:29:57.000And they also need to admit they were wrong to censor people.
00:30:00.000Because it's not that they just pushed it.
00:30:02.000They did it in a way we've never seen before.
00:30:05.000So I think that this movie coming out right now is at a critical point because people know something's wrong.
00:30:13.000Mike talked about the founders and the founding, and you and I have had offline talks about that.
00:30:19.000Well, the counterfeit of the covenant that our founders had with God for this nation is convenience.
00:30:25.000We're trading covenant for convenience.
00:31:56.000This is something it's also, it's so that we can keep control of it.
00:32:03.000So you can find it at IntoTheLight.movie.
00:32:06.000And one thing I'd like to say about it, there's a lot of films out there that offer a lot of information, but very rarely do they have a call to action.
00:32:14.000And our call to action is, okay, now that you know this, like my friend said after she saw the premiere, she goes, I'm fired up.
00:33:00.000And I think that we offer you, you know, look, you can see a lot of people standing up and speaking out and igniting brush friars so in closing, I would just say, you know, please support the film if you like it.
00:33:16.000There's a pay it forward model where you can purchase codes and send them to your friends.
00:33:20.000And for those who might not watch it, but it's only going to be found at endofelight.movie.
00:33:49.000Just to amplify what Mike said, it gives you, this movie really brings it all back to becoming a brush fire using the Samuel Adams quote, a brush fire in the minds of men.
00:33:59.000And you'll see someone get red-pilled in this movie, but I will tell you, since it's been out, Charlie, I know people that are in the government, in the intelligence services, in the military that have seen this movie and they said, I'm going to step out and say something.
00:34:12.000This movie will give you modern examples, like up to the last few days, of people that have become brush fires in the hearts and minds of men.
00:34:21.000Those are called whistleblowers, people getting out and making a difference.
00:34:26.000You got out early, early in life, and made a difference.
00:34:56.000A covenant was made between God and man and the most famous covenant, the first of which is the Noahic covenant, which applies to all people after God made a promise and that morality should apply to all people.
00:35:10.000And so the movie is Into the Light.movie.
00:35:13.000I encourage you guys all to check it out.
00:35:15.000We are in the midst of an invisible war, a spiritual war.
00:35:18.000Keith, you and I have talked about it.
00:35:20.000What's your response to people that say, I don't believe any of that stuff?
00:35:40.000And if you read history, you can see it's not the first time.
00:35:44.000But if you also study history, you can see that the answer is to turn back to God, to turn back to who we had the original covenant with in this land, and that you have to get out, say something.
00:35:56.000And that I still believe America's best days are ahead of us if we get back into the light and back to truth.
00:36:03.000Keith Rose, Mike Smith, the movie's Into The Light.movie.