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00:01:33.000Joining me now is my pastor, Rob McCoy, with hopefully an uplifting message, but also one about how we can use ballot harvesting as a way to beat the left at their own game.
00:01:44.000Of course, where it is legal, it is not legal in Arizona, even though the left does it and breaks the law while doing it.
00:01:49.000Pastor Rob McCoy from God Speak Calvary Chapel joins me now.
00:02:33.000Well, we harvested just a little under a thousand ballots just from our church alone.
00:02:39.000And then we also put out a voter guide that was picked up by a number of churches in the area.
00:02:45.000So with the voter guide and then also encouraging them to do day of drop off, this the last, we have one more vote drop on Thursday.
00:02:56.000And every one of the candidates we're backing with the exception of school board candidates, the county supervisor is going to win.
00:03:02.000We're going to win the community college area two.
00:03:08.000City council Mikey Taylor, he made it onto city council.
00:03:11.000And that's all a result of us harvesting and dropping him in.
00:03:15.000We're experiencing, listen, I know that Arizona is frustrated, but two congressional cycles ago, young Kim was at freshman orientation as a newly elected congresswoman.
00:03:27.000And she had to be brought back because they found more votes overnight somewhere.
00:04:11.000So, you're allowed in California to drop off someone else's ballot if they give you permission.
00:04:18.000And there's a signature that's placed on the outside of the envelope, and I believe the signature of the person dropping off.
00:04:24.000And we just have a box, you just come in, drop it in there, and then we just take a bag full of these things.
00:04:29.000I mean, you can imagine they don't know how to calculate, you know, they do their ballot harvesting early, the Democrats, and then we come in at the last minute and drop off a thousand ballots.
00:04:40.000That's a game changer because we have a candidate running who is secular progressive, just a nightmare, Antifa.
00:04:51.000They put banners over the freeway, and they've come after us hard, along with the school board.
00:05:00.000And this candidate is because of the last two drops, she's now leading by 17 votes.
00:05:06.000But Lou Lichtel, who is from our congregation, who was outspent 11 to 1 in this next ballot drop, we're going to devastate her.
00:05:14.000And we've already secured the supervisory seat, which was a complete liberal.
00:05:20.000She's the one that, Linda Park, she's the one that put forward the funding to get the attorney to sue us and bring a restraining order to shutter our church during the virus.
00:05:34.000And now she turned out, and her heir apparent, who I was on the council with, we beat her.
00:05:56.000Instead, what you're doing and what you're saying is that, no, no, no, you're going to come and drop off the ballot and we're going to turn it in for you.
00:06:06.000Do people hesitate to actually turn off their ballot there?
00:06:09.000No, because we've been duped so many times by every, you know, we're trying to figure out what's the best way to do this.
00:06:16.000And so now, when we put together a voter guide and we say we're going to, we're going to bring these ballots down day of.
00:06:24.000And in addition, not only is the congregation willing to do that, but in addition, we're making phone calls as we speak to see if any of your ballots need to be cured.
00:06:34.000You put in your first name, your last name, and your date of birth, and you can see where your ballot is right now.
00:06:40.000And if it hasn't been processed, it's going to be in Thursday's batch.
00:06:44.000If it has to be cured, you need to go down and confirm your signature.
00:06:48.000And there's about a little over maybe a thousand that have to be cured, of which 400 are strong conservatives, like have voted in the last four elections.
00:07:05.000Instead of just passively saying, don't forget to vote, we're pushing registration in our country.
00:07:10.000And people are, what's amazing me, though, Rob, is people are okay with doing that instead of just dropping off the ballot themselves.
00:07:16.000Does it kind of create this team atmosphere?
00:07:19.000I mean, I'm trying to wrap my head around it because I'm the type of guy, and I know some of our audience would be like, I would never just drop my ballot off.
00:07:26.000But I guess since they trust their pastor and they trust their church, they're more willing to do that.
00:07:31.000Or is there some sort of, hey, we're going to drop all of our ballots at the county at once so that there's no way that they could play shenanigans with this drop?
00:07:39.000Can you walk us through the psychology of it?
00:07:41.000Because I know under traditional, like, let's just say parameters, I wouldn't be okay dropping my ballot off anywhere except the government office itself.
00:07:51.000Yeah, That's the perfect question, Charlie, because when we go back, California was patient zero for ballot harvesting.
00:07:59.000We've been doing this a lot longer than any other state, and we've seen the shenanigans.
00:08:04.000So, you know, we've participated in campaigning only to realize that the Democrats aren't campaigning.
00:08:10.000They're the ones that are just figuring out election day and who's going to count the votes.
00:08:14.000And we, you know, it's like it's like Charlie Brown and Lucy kicking the football.
00:08:24.000So I remember, again, two congressional cycles ago, we had a number of folks coming in and saying, if we could just get the churches to do ballot harvesting, and my reaction was the same as yours.
00:08:39.000But now, as we're starting to see this siege of secular progressivism and this, you know, the alphabet mafia and the heaviness that they're putting on us, we just finally said, let's do it.
00:08:50.000And the response was the antithesis of what I expected.
00:10:30.000It's how you could flip a county, flip a district, flip a state.
00:10:33.000If they're going to do it, it's time for us to do it.
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00:11:49.000Yeah, so every Sunday we point out that we have the drop-off box.
00:11:53.000We're going to take those in as a large group of ballots.
00:11:59.000And you just bring in your sealed ballot, which once you voted, you put it in, you lick the seal, sign it.
00:12:05.000You bring that in, drop it in the box, and it's secure.
00:12:09.000And then we take those in mass day of election right down there and drop them off.
00:12:15.000So we announced that in church on Sunday leading up to the election day, and folks keep bringing them.
00:12:22.000And then we also had folks from other churches hear about it and bring it in or watch us online because they may tend another church, but they saw that we're doing it.
00:12:31.000So they wanted to participate in that.
00:12:34.000Nothing's illegal about it either, by the way, for the person who was concerned.
00:12:38.000And questioning why we participate in it, it's the rules that have been established.
00:12:43.000It's easier for them to knock it because they don't live in California.
00:14:00.000So in California, the unions were the ones that pushed forward ballot harvesting, mass vote by mail.
00:14:06.000They actually then tried to stop churches from doing exactly what you want to, what you are doing.
00:14:12.000We have this tearout we could put up on screen here, but there was a lawsuit.
00:14:16.000California Democrats tried to sue Republicans from ballot harvesting.
00:14:21.000I do not think this was successful, and it got put up, you know, a big fight around it.
00:14:27.000But so, Rob, in states like Nevada, in states where this is legal, if we're serious about winning it in 2024, if we're serious about going at a place of improvement, is it time for us to now embrace the most sophisticated and ambitious ballot harvesting operation in the history of American politics?
00:14:48.000And, you know, because if we're going to be subject to these vote-by-mail ballots and this tyranny that was put on us during the virus, listening to President Trump last night announce his candidacy and the best part of the speech, as far as I was concerned, I love the tariffs and all that stuff that he, but the thing that really paper ballots, one person votes,
00:15:40.000That's three seats we weren't supposed to win, we've won.
00:15:45.000And if it wasn't for what we did in California right now, the Democrats would have the house.
00:15:51.000And for the person who says they're not going to vote anymore, had I taken that position and everyone in the church taken that position, the house would be run by Democrats.
00:16:09.000Rob McCoy and Jack Hibbs and John Randall and Pastor Juergen and many others, Joe Pettick and Greg Denham and all of our friends in California, these dissident California pastors, a network of them together helped retire Nancy Pelosi.
00:19:54.000And so we're asking him at the Center for Renewing America not just to admit you're being invaded and to blame Joe Biden.
00:20:02.000And it is supposed to be the federal government's responsibility, but the founders were wise enough to leave the states the authority to defend themselves.
00:20:13.000We're not talking about tanks and planes.
00:20:16.000We're just talking about stopping people at the side of the river, ferrying them back across and putting them in Mexico and saying, don't come back in between the legal ports of entry.
00:20:27.000If people believe who are thinking of coming to America illegally and walking across Texas's border across the Rio Grande, and they believe they're going to be returned back to Mexico, they won't come.
00:20:43.000Operation Lone Star, as I said from the very beginning, will not succeed unless and until Governor Abbott is willing to return people back to Mexico.
00:20:54.000And he has the constitutional authority to do it.
00:20:57.000And thus far, he has declined to use it.
00:21:00.000So I guess the question that I have is the wouldn't then he just be sued by some federal judge and would say that that it's a little legally unprecedented.
00:21:12.000So walk us through what would happen next then.
00:21:15.000So in a different part of the Constitution, you know, Greg Abbott correctly says, hey, this is Joe Biden's job.
00:21:21.000Well, if you look at Article 4, Section 4, called the Guarantee Clause, the Guarantee Clause has the federal government promising three things to states to protect a Republican form of government, to protect state governments against insurrections against the state governments, and to protect all 50 states against invasion.
00:21:45.000And of course, not only isn't the federal government protecting the states against invasion, it is practically inviting the invasion.
00:21:53.000But in years past, over the last 30 years, states have sued the federal government for failing to protect them against invasion.
00:22:04.000And in five different appellate circuits, Charlie, the second, third, fifth, which is Texas, ninth, which is Arizona, and 11th, courts have all found universally that they don't get to decide that question.
00:22:22.000It's called non-justiciability to lawyers, meaning courts don't have the authority to address it.
00:22:29.000And the reason is that they all state is this authority is deposited with another entity in our constitutional system.
00:22:37.000And in Article 1, Section 10, it is very explicit: states can exercise war powers when they are actually invaded.
00:22:46.000And the courts have universally held that it is not for the court to decide whether there's an invasion.
00:22:53.000And what that means in this case is it is for Greg Abbott, the governor of Texas, commander-in-chief of Texas, to make that decision.
00:23:02.000This is why they had to do everything they could to try to get rid of Kerry Lake because Kerry Lake really kind of probed the side of the state.
00:23:08.000Yeah, she was bound and determined to do this.
00:23:10.000I mean, it's, we'll see how the legal challenges and stuff do.
00:23:13.000There should be a new election in Arizona after the thousands and thousands of people were suppressed.
00:23:18.000I mean, Ken, you were former White House DHS and former Attorney General of Virginia and senior fellow for the Center for Renewing America.
00:24:20.000And yet, he won't use the full authority provided by that provision of the Constitution to protect Texas.
00:24:28.000And really, all this looks like in the real world application is it looks like the federal enforcement of the Title 42 public health order that was put in place in March of 2020 because of COVID.
00:24:47.000It's just stop them at the border and take them back across.
00:24:50.000There's no shooting, there's no tanks and planes, not that kind of use of war power.
00:24:56.000The key aspect of the war power is what you can do with prisoners of war, and that is simply deposit them outside of your state and in this case, outside the country.
00:25:05.000So, this is the press release that Governor Greg Abbott has said he'll do.
00:25:10.000He'll say he'll deploy the National Guard to safeguard our border.
00:25:21.000We were talking about him doing this like a year and a half ago, and I was lectured by people in his kind of camp that all of this he can't do.
00:25:58.000It would be one thing if they were accomplishing a meaningful mission, but from the very beginning, maybe he hoped this would work, but certainly I and others who are experts on the border told him it wouldn't.
00:27:21.000So that number declined in the Biden administration, but a lot of people on our side don't realize that until relatively recently, over half of all illegal border crossers were still returned back into Mexico under the Title 42 authority, even by the Biden administration.
00:27:42.000But if you take Title 42 down, you're effectively doubling the number of border crossers every day who stay in the United States.
00:27:52.000It doubles catch and release overnight.
00:27:56.000And the judge indicated he's going to take this off in five weeks, which, by the way, Charlie, puts all the more pressure on the need for Governor Abbott to declare an invasion so Texas can get a five-week start on dealing with this as the federal government takes down their Title 42 authority.
00:28:19.000Yeah, and so I guess what he'll have to do is not just then do the press release.
00:28:26.000He actually has to then deport foreign nationals himself back to their country of origin.
00:28:52.000This is a constitutional power of the state.
00:28:54.000It's a totally separate source of legal authority.
00:28:58.000Just like the public health law is a totally separate source of legal authority by which border are they going to move people back over the Mexican border?
00:29:08.000Relocate them or repel them or is it repel them?
00:29:43.000You can read about this in more detail at Center for Renewing America.
00:29:46.000If you look under border security, you'll find this.
00:29:49.000One of the excuses they give for not doing it is that they're concerned that the federal government will prosecute state officials for civil rights violations.
00:29:58.000Well, we analyze that under the civil rights law.
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00:31:29.000Okay, I want to get to some pieces of tape here, but I know a lot of people are asking, Charlie, what is the path forward in Arizona?
00:31:34.000We have to be very clear and we have to repeat it that thousands, if not tens of thousands of voters were suppressed and disenfranchised.
00:31:43.000What I think personally is the most upsetting, and putting all the stuff we talked earlier in the show aside, understandably put all of that aside.
00:31:52.000What is so frustrating is that from the moment that we woke up on Election Day, from the moment that I turned on my phone on Election Day, there were already voters that were being suppressed.
00:32:07.000Because when the machine stopped working, the lines started growing.
00:32:12.000And then you had Bill Gates come out and he says, oh, everything's working so wonderfully, but one out of five of voting centers has just completely and totally been shut down.
00:32:21.000And then you have people that have to run their ballots through multiple times.
00:32:24.000And then you get competing and understandably confusing advice where people say, we got to go to this one and that one.
00:32:30.000And I think one of the reasons why everyone is so upset is that Kerry Lake really became the spiritual epicenter of the entire movement.
00:32:39.000And I think, look, Kerry needs to file lawsuits one after the other demanding a new election in Maricopa.
00:32:46.000There is no, and that's an extraordinary thing to say.
00:32:51.000Some people say that's radical, but how can you possibly quantify one out of five voting centers going down, being inoperable, inoperable on election day, and then the lines and the issues that were caused because of it?
00:33:11.000Now, I do not know what a judge is going to do.
00:33:14.000I don't have a lot of faith in the legal system.
00:33:17.000But it does need to be said, it needs to be vocalized, that what happened on that election day, we are not going to put up with.
00:33:29.000So now Abe Hamaday is within 771 votes.
00:33:33.000And so now I can say with certainty, with clarity and certainty, that if those 223 voting centers, one in five, right around 50 voting centers in the most Republican areas, would not have gone down, Abe Hamaday would be 100% the Attorney General of Arizona.
00:33:54.000And so I do not know what the legal strategy is from this point forward.
00:33:57.000We also don't know the remaining ballots.
00:34:00.000Now, if Kerry Lake even gains a couple thousand more votes, this is going to go to a recount.
00:34:06.000And a recount is different than an audit.
00:34:09.000So don't expect a totally different result with a recount.
00:34:13.000But there is something very strange about this entire thing.
00:34:45.000This is the most important pending legal fight in the country, both what's happening with Abe Hamaday and what is happening with Kerry Lake.
00:34:55.000On that Arizona GOP flyer, we said we're all going to show up on game day.