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00:02:24.000You have actually a number of different stories that I'd be interested in getting into with you.
00:02:27.000But the one that caught our eye just as of yesterday, actually, was this bombshell that the CIA now has its fingerprints on J6.
00:02:38.000I mean, it's a story with multiple layers, and the further we seem to peel it back, the more we discover.
00:02:44.000Tom, what have you and your great organization discovered about the CIA's involvement on J6?
00:02:50.000You know, there's all sorts of weirdness with it, right?
00:02:52.000You know, these were text messages, not from the CIA, but these were ATF text messages that we have obtained after almost a year plus of waiting and suing.
00:03:04.000And they show that they had a CIA bomb text, a CIA bomb text down.
00:03:11.000It looks like at the DNC and maybe where there were other pipe bombs, I guess at the RNC as well.
00:03:17.000And then there were dog teams on standby associated with the CIA.
00:03:21.000And so this is the first time I'm aware of, maybe others out there have heard of this before, but that the CIA was involved in response to the January 6th events.
00:03:36.000Typically, they don't get involved in domestic issues.
00:03:40.000Was there a foreign intelligence component that required their presence?
00:03:45.000Were they on standby before January 6th?
00:03:48.000Were they part of this spy operation against Americans that we knew was taking place by the deep state?
00:03:56.000And what else were they investigating related to January 6th?
00:03:59.000Is this the full extent of their involvement?
00:04:01.000And these are additional questions that need to be pursued.
00:04:04.000Obviously, they weren't, we didn't get much information on this, no information on this at all from the Pelosi January 6th committee.
00:04:12.000And frankly, the Republicans haven't done much in January 6th either.
00:04:15.000Yeah, and Tom, I think you hit the nail on the head.
00:04:19.000My first thought when I saw this story was, what the heck is the CIA doing involved in J6?
00:04:24.000This is an Intel agency that is supposed to be focusing on foreign adversaries.
00:04:29.000It's not supposed to have its purview in domestic affairs.
00:04:32.000It's more, you would think, the FBI, which we also know has a ton of fingerprints on J6.
00:04:39.000I mean, we have Representative Clay Higgins, who's been doing a lot of great work on this, Lautermil and others, where we're finding out that, yeah, maybe there was as many as 200 FBI agents involved, and maybe more when you count informants, that were also, Clay Higgins has also suggested that they were involved in group chats before J6, trying to potentially incite violence or other activity on that day that would have gone against the rule of law and peaceful assembly and all those things.
00:05:07.000So, you know, when you look at this story in its totality, do you see an operation that was, let's just say, anti-Trump afoot?
00:05:17.000I mean, you know, I don't want to be conspiratorial.
00:05:20.000Was this just base incompetence with a bunch of agencies sort of not knowing what the left hand and the right hand were doing?
00:05:26.000Or do you see something coordinated, Tom?
00:05:29.000And I know I don't want you to get out of your skis, but it's not something a lot of other people haven't observed.
00:05:37.000Well, if you had said two days ago before this disclosure that the CIA was involved in the response to January 6, you would have been censored, right?
00:05:48.000And now it's confirmed through text messages that we had to uncover through a FOIA lawsuit.
00:05:59.000What was the role of other federal agencies?
00:06:02.000We knew, and we've known for some time, thanks in part to other FOIA requests we filed and lawsuits, that everyone who was anyone had a heads up, that there was going to be a significant crab that day.
00:06:24.000I think the left and like the Pelosi gang and the DC government didn't want a big show of force because they thought it would be seen as political in the sense of helping Donald Trump.
00:06:41.000And, you know, and frankly, I think they thought the left was going to beat up a bunch of Trumpers and they didn't want the cops to get in the way.
00:07:25.000I think to know where the conspiracy begins and ends and where incompetence begins and ends.
00:07:31.000There's another piece of concern is that there's been zero official interest in any of these questions, all of which are legitimate questions.
00:07:40.000Because as you point out, there could be legitimate answers to all of it.
00:07:42.000I mean, I tend to think the pipe bomb scenario is just incompetence by security forces.
00:07:50.000And yeah, the lack of response, you know, we're presuming that the Secret Service and the U.S. Capitol Police, you know, we're supposed to believe all their press releases about their competence and expertise and training.
00:08:04.000And, you know, my experience is these agencies are as poorly run as every other federal program we're concerned about.
00:08:14.000But, you know, DOJ isn't going to tell us the truth.
00:08:19.000I mean, their whole theory of retaining power depends on a certain story and narrative about January 6th.
00:08:27.000And Congress is compromised because they're partly responsible for what happened.
00:08:31.000And then you've got the failure of leadership by the House Republicans to pursue January 6th once they got power in the House.
00:08:41.000And, you know, everything they're doing is a little bit too late.
00:08:44.000Yeah, no, I tend to agree with you on that.
00:08:46.000And, you know, I'll never forget, Tom, Charlie tweeted out something, I mean, it must have been a year and a half ago, maybe even longer, basically on the fact that Congress or that Donald Trump had offered to approve 10,000 National Guard troops.
00:09:03.000And then that was fact-checked on Instagram and on Facebook.
00:09:07.000I mean, all the fact-checker orgs came after us.
00:09:21.000So the whole thing stinks to high heaven.
00:09:23.000And then you've got the J6 committee, which didn't disclose some of this evidence, including the piece about the 10,000 National Guard troops.
00:09:31.000And they've been hiding everything, destroying evidence.
00:09:34.000I don't think that this story deserves or gets nearly enough attention.
00:09:39.000And a lot of people say, we don't want to look backwards, we want to look forward, stop litigating the past.
00:09:43.000But this is so telling about the way Washington operates.
00:09:47.000And Tom, you know this better than just about anybody of just how corrupt and how incompetent.
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00:11:43.000Tom, it's kind of related to what we were just talking about, January 6th Committee.
00:11:47.000You're suing Fannie Willis for communications with special counsel Jack Smith and the January 6th Committee.
00:12:00.000How connected are these various lawfare attempts against Trump?
00:12:04.000Well, you know, we had asked for these documents, relatively simple requests, because I know, as you're saying, everyone's interested in it.
00:12:11.000What have they been doing with Jack Smith or the Pelosi January 6th Committee?
00:12:16.000Was that all part of a conspiracy or collusion or just what was being done here?
00:12:22.000And they told us they didn't have any documents.
00:12:24.000So we asked Fannie Willis's office for this.
00:12:29.000And then Congress just not too long ago released a letter that Fanny had signed to Betty Thompson, who run the January 6th committee for Pelosi.
00:12:40.000So how does that comport with them telling us they had no documents?
00:12:57.000What communications did they have with the politicized January 6th Committee and the politicized Jack Smith investigation?
00:13:05.000Yeah, no, I think it's a I'm going to play a clip here, and apologies, going to suck up a little bit of our time here.
00:13:10.000But 112, this is Newt Gingrich on this show saying that he was getting word from D.C. that there was collusion going on with Fannie Willis in the White House counsel's office.
00:13:24.000That I am told, this is hearsay, but I am told by a reliable source, that Friday evening, somebody from Washington called the District Attorney in Atlanta and said, you have to indict on Monday.
00:13:36.000We have to cover up all of the mistakes we just made with Weiss.
00:13:41.000And she said, apparently, my jurors aren't coming back till Tuesday.
00:14:04.000And I'm telling you up front, this is hearsay, but it's from a person who has remarkably good.
00:14:09.000I totally believe it, though, because that would explain why they leaked and they messed up on the clerk document, why she was exhausted and why they had the 11 p.m. press conference, Mr. Speaker.
00:14:18.000All right, Tom Fitton, you hear what Newt is saying there.
00:14:22.000It sort of ties into what you're talking about, not only with the J6 committee, not only with this whole weaponized DOJ, the collusion, but also the special counsel.
00:14:32.000You heard that they screwed up with the special counsel.
00:14:34.000You're now suing for the transcripts of those interviews with Robert Hur, am I correct?
00:14:41.000So you got like your hand in multiple pieces of this, Tom.
00:14:59.000But, you know, is there a video, an audio of the video of what happened?
00:15:02.000I think that would be very educational to see Biden's demeanor and how he answered these questions live, because the transcript doesn't, it gives you a good part of the story, but not the entire story, which is why he was recorded.
00:15:29.000Speaker Gingrich said they screwed up on the special counsel appointment.
00:15:35.000And maybe it was a simple political PR miscalculation that they were reacting to and they wanted to switch the momentum back and get back on the offense.
00:16:20.000They need to abuse him, keep his supporters in line by making them nervous that they'll get prosecuted too.
00:16:27.000But also, the abuses of Trump by the Justice Department and these other allies like in New York and Fulton County serve to distract and protect and keep the DOJ busy and the public distracted from the criminality of folks like Joe Biden.
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00:19:45.000Well, the current failure of Haiti really begins in September 2021 when we had the Haitian migrant camp crisis in Del Rio, Texas.
00:19:57.000I think a lot of people remember that, 17,000 under the bridge there in Texas.
00:20:03.000The way that they liquidated that camp was the Biden administration reached out and killed, I mean, a stake through the heart of imminent democratic elections for Haiti in order to install a dictator who would accept deportations from that migrant camp.
00:20:26.000So there were all these plans in place.
00:20:30.000They were two months away from elections, and the Biden administration shut them down so that they could get somebody who would take deportations from Texas.
00:20:41.000They did the deportations from Texas and left that guy in there.
00:20:46.000And that is the guy who is now, they never got their elections.
00:21:21.000These ships are sailing, headed for the, you know, the area of southern Florida where the keys right out of Miami there.
00:21:32.000The border patrol station there through leaked documents is warning that if any of these boats show up, they will be immediately overwhelmed and swamped.
00:21:44.000They have like 10 people there to deal with this.
00:21:48.000And the piece that I have up right now is just pointing out that how Joe Biden handles the ships that are showing up that are on their way will determine whether we have a mass seaborne migration crisis to contend with in the next few weeks.
00:22:10.000Yeah, so your piece says what Biden does next will determine whether a mass seaborne migration crisis develops with Haitians.
00:22:18.000Now, you've got people like Matt Gates saying, you know, we cannot turn southern Florida into little Haiti.
00:22:25.000I mean, obviously, everything that's gone on in the last few months and the last three years with Biden's open border immigration crisis, this just feels like, you know, it feels a little bit, Todd, to me, like Texas 2.0, where you had to standoff with the federal government, because you're saying that you have well-placed sources within Customs and Border Patrol that are saying that basically we're going to assist these boats to arrive safely as opposed to turning them away.
00:22:54.000Then you had Governor DeSantis saying, you know, absolutely not.
00:22:58.000So you've got another red state governor pitted against the federal government.
00:23:02.000And so it's almost like a, you know, and by the way, I mean, that is instructive because Governor Abbott stood his ground and we're sort of at this detente right now.
00:23:14.000And the Texas law enforcement is still putting up razor wire.
00:23:18.000They're still enforcing the border and pushing migrants to the West.
00:23:22.000But that's still, there's still legal challenges that are pending, right?
00:23:29.000And one other question, as far as that federal state conflict that is building up here, how do you see that playing out?
00:23:36.000And secondly, as we were researching this, getting ready for you to come on, we couldn't necessarily determine whether there was an actual flotilla that had already amassed in the Caribbean.
00:23:47.000You're saying that you know that it has, or are you, I mean, do we have solid proof that this is actually happening?
00:23:57.000There's good reporting in the Bahama press in the Bahamas about apprehensions of these sailing vessels moving through Bahama waters.
00:24:10.000So they are catching some of these ships coming through, but others have gotten through and are on the way here.
00:24:18.000The big question is whether the administration is going to let them land in Florida.
00:24:27.000If they let them make it all the way to Florida, if they just escort them to the banks of Florida, to the beaches of Florida, then the message that will go back to Haiti is it's open.
00:25:07.000Now, in the administration's defense, this is a tough situation because if they block them at sea, they won't be able to readily return them to Haiti because the ports are closed and controlled by gangs, and so is the airport.
00:25:25.000So the question is, what do you do with them?
00:25:28.000Well, right now, what I'm being told is they're going to just let them land in Florida and then process them in.
00:25:36.000That's exactly the ingredient for mass migration.
00:26:46.000And when the time comes, they can be repatriated back to Haiti and they don't step foot on U.S. soil and claim asylum.
00:26:54.000So that is, to me, the obvious solution here.
00:26:57.000A second one is what Bill Clinton did when this happened in 94, 95, which was to organize a multilateral invasion of Haiti, put U.S. Marines in there to stabilize things.
00:27:12.000And then they returned the shiploads of Haitians back to a more state Haiti.
00:27:17.000I'm not hearing anything about a multinational force going into Haiti right now, although I think it's necessary.
00:27:25.000Ultimately, we're going to be forced into doing something like that, or people are going to start starving.
00:27:34.000Is a very interesting situation to watch on multiple fronts.
00:27:37.000Ron DeSantis is playing Greg Abbott over there, like you mentioned.
00:27:42.000He's surged 250 law enforcement officers and vessels and boats out there.
00:27:48.000I don't know what he's going to do with those.
00:27:51.000If some of those sailboats get close to the shoreline, I don't know what there are legal questions about what DeSantis can do at that point.
00:30:47.000Todd, you know this stuff better than anybody.
00:30:49.000Have we in recent memory, you mentioned Clinton, you mentioned some other iterations of this.
00:30:57.000Is the main concern going to be that basically Joe Biden just lacks the will to essentially turn these people away as we've seen other administrations do?
00:31:06.000And then once they get here, you know, it creates this magnet effect.
00:31:10.000Or do you, I mean, there's just so many open questions because we haven't seen this dynamic of the federal government being so lax on illegal immigration.
00:31:22.000Is that the main concern that Joe Biden's going to refuse to push these people away and is going to invite them in?
00:31:30.000The island of Haiti, the population is 11 million.
00:31:35.000Nobody wants to live, wants to live in their home country.
00:31:39.000So the question is, do you aid and abet a population transfer in the millions by boat to Florida?
00:31:48.000Or do you enact policies that stem the flow?
00:31:56.000Well, all past presidents that have been faced with similar circumstances have done whatever they could, whatever they had to, to make sure that a population transfer didn't happen.
00:32:10.000This is the first president ever in the history of the country, as far as I know, who has purposefully and intentionally opened the southern border to 10 million people crossing in 36 months.
00:32:26.000They are allowing more than 85%, I would bet closer to 100% of everybody who reaches the border in one way or another to enter.
00:32:36.000So the question is, are they going to do that on the Atlantic seaboard off the coast of Florida?
00:34:04.000What are the estimates of how many are going to try and come and how many have already embarked on that journey?
00:34:11.000And secondly, is there any animus politically pointed at Florida being this sort of MAGA hotbed, this MAGA center, an antagonist to the Biden regime?
00:34:22.000Are you hearing any of that where, you know, there's just an unwillingness conveniently politically to work with DeSantis and his government?
00:34:30.000No, I'm not hearing any outward messaging about that, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if inwardly they're kind of like, you know, pleased with at least the idea of letting tens of thousands of Haitians land in Florida and,
00:34:48.000you know, and putting, I mean, there's already hundreds of thousands of Haitians living in Florida who came in over the southern border, collapsing their hospitals and doing, you know, and really, you know, on public welfare systems, et cetera.
00:35:05.000I don't know how many we can look, we can expect, but certainly if the thing were to just open up tens of thousands, I mean, in 91, George H. Bush set up Guantanamo Bay and they had like 40,000 in there in the camp.
00:35:31.000And if they really just opened the gate and just said, we're going to send our Coast Guard to escort these ships, lest anybody drown, we'll save anybody from drowning.
00:35:42.000We'll provide anti-drowning security all the way to the Florida Keys.
00:36:03.000Thanks so much for listening, everybody.
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