The Charlie Kirk Show - Have You Ever Seen A Happy Trans Person?

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00:01:27.000 Alright, hello everybody.

00:01:28.000 My name is Gabe.

00:01:29.000 First of all, super excited to be here.

00:01:31.000 I cannot believe you came here to UF.

00:01:35.000 What I came here, my talking point, I wanted to know what your views are on, what is it, queer people, just like gay people, transgender people, because I know there's a lot of hatred coming from conservatives, and I won't say all of them, but it's a...

00:01:55.000 It's a common thing, and I think a lot of it just comes down to hating to hate.

00:01:58.000 I want to know where you stand on that.

00:02:01.000 Nice dress, by the way.

00:02:03.000 Yeah, thanks.

00:02:04.000 Why don't you tell me first...

00:02:07.000 You're obviously a biological male, right?

00:02:10.000 Yes.

00:02:12.000 So explain the whole ensemble here.

00:02:14.000 Oh, like what I'm...

00:02:15.000 You don't like it?

00:02:16.000 Actually, I said I liked it.

00:02:18.000 I think I pull it off.

00:02:20.000 No, I'm just having fun, man.

00:02:23.000 You might not believe me, but I'm a straight, heterosexual, cis man.

00:02:27.000 Cis is short for cisgender.

00:02:28.000 I'm just using slang.

00:02:33.000 Yeah, and I just wanted to come on here.

00:02:35.000 It's maybe not just for you, but I just wanted to say that, like, there's a lot of hatred on gay people, on trans people.

00:02:44.000 And there's a lot of legislation that's going against it.

00:02:47.000 And I want to know where you stand as a conservative.

00:02:51.000 Okay, let's start with a very basic moral question.

00:02:54.000 You as a biological male, should you be allowed to compete against females in sports? 0.94

00:02:59.000 No, I shouldn't.

00:03:02.000 Okay, should men be able to compete against females in sports? 0.98

00:03:06.000 No, I don't think men should go against women.

00:03:08.000 Okay, we agree.

00:03:09.000 So that's a lot of the legislation that's passing currently.

00:03:12.000 No, that's not true.

00:03:14.000 No, it is.

00:03:16.000 21 states have passed those laws.

00:03:19.000 And it's also now the president signed an executive order saying no men in female sports.

00:03:23.000 Well, but there's trans females that are being denied. 1.00

00:03:26.000 Oh, so what is a trans female? 0.98

00:03:29.000 People didn't like that.

00:03:30.000 No, what is a trans female? 1.00

00:03:31.000 You're right, that's the wrong term.

00:03:32.000 Trans women. 1.00

00:03:34.000 What is a trans woman? 0.97

00:03:38.000 I think it's someone who was born male and now they identify as female.

00:03:41.000 All right, bro.

00:03:42.000 Chill out.

00:03:43.000 It's not that deep.

00:03:44.000 They are a man, but at what point...

00:03:45.000 No, they're not.

00:03:46.000 At what point do they become...

00:03:47.000 It's not that deep.

00:03:49.000 I want you to educate the audience and me.

00:03:51.000 At what point do they become a woman? 1.00

00:03:53.000 When they say they are.

00:03:54.000 I think it's...

00:03:56.000 I think...

00:03:57.000 Okay, listen, listen.

00:03:58.000 I think what's getting confused here is the distinction between gender and sex.

00:04:04.000 Like, there's...

00:04:05.000 I think there's a real distinction.

00:04:07.000 Gender...

00:04:08.000 Gender is in the mind.

00:04:09.000 Gender isn't real. 1.00

00:04:12.000 You can dress, you can say you're whatever you want.

00:04:14.000 If gender is in the mind, then why do people need to chop off their breasts if it's just a mind thing? 1.00

00:04:19.000 If they want to.

00:04:20.000 It's because they feel like they want to.

00:04:22.000 I think it's not that deep.

00:04:23.000 But I thought it's just a brain thing.

00:04:24.000 Why does it have to involve a body thing?

00:04:26.000 Well, maybe their brain says they want to.

00:04:29.000 I don't think it's that deep.

00:04:31.000 Got it.

00:04:32.000 So then anybody at any point can become a woman in your estimate? 0.60

00:04:35.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:04:36.000 You can just say you are, and then I would say you are.

00:04:39.000 It's a gender identity. 0.84

00:04:40.000 That's how I think it works.

00:04:42.000 Right, so gender and sex.

00:04:43.000 Our opinion is there are zero genders. 0.98

00:04:45.000 It's a concept that doesn't exist.

00:04:46.000 There are two sexes and unlimited personalities.

00:04:49.000 So what you're conflating is personality with gender.

00:04:53.000 Gender is a term that was started by John Money.

00:04:55.000 That has no medical or clinical value whatsoever.

00:04:58.000 There are two sexes. 0.58

00:04:59.000 That's it.

00:04:59.000 It's binary.

00:04:59.000 It's absolute.

00:05:00.000 But I just want to make sure I'm clear.

00:05:02.000 So you as an offensive lineman looking individual.

00:05:09.000 I'm a big guy.

00:05:10.000 I know.

00:05:11.000 A big guy.

00:05:11.000 Yes.

00:05:12.000 There's nothing morally wrong with you going and, let's just say, competing in a weightlifting competition with the women's sports Of University of Florida if you say you're a woman.

00:05:26.000 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:05:27.000 Well, no, I would say there is, yeah.

00:05:30.000 Because I think, because when you're identifying as a woman, there's processes you take towards that.

00:05:35.000 I mean, it's very easy to differentiate.

00:05:37.000 But hold on.

00:05:38.000 You said all it takes is for someone to say they're a woman.

00:05:40.000 Why is it a process?

00:05:42.000 You said it's just a declaration.

00:05:44.000 But I'm not saying I'm a woman.

00:05:46.000 Inform me about the process because I thought you said it was just a declaration.

00:05:51.000 I'm a woman.

00:05:51.000 Yeah, I mean, you can pretty easily tell that someone's going out.

00:05:54.000 I don't know if it's ever been documented, but someone that's going out to women's sports to specifically... 1.00

00:06:01.000 Compete and just say, oh yeah, I'm trans.

00:06:03.000 I'm sure that would be shut down.

00:06:05.000 No, actually it isn't.

00:06:06.000 We have 900 document examples.

00:06:08.000 We have William Thomas who won the NCAA swimming championship against Riley Gaines.

00:06:12.000 Yeah, but that's a trans woman, right? 1.00

00:06:14.000 Or a trans man. 0.88

00:06:15.000 I don't really know where your angle is right now.

00:06:17.000 It's a biological man who was born a man and is a man who, like you, was dressing up like a woman but isn't a woman. 0.72

00:06:25.000 Isn't that going against free speech?

00:06:28.000 Because you can present yourself however you want.

00:06:31.000 Okay, so let me ask you another moral question.

00:06:34.000 I don't think it's that deep.

00:06:35.000 If someone who says they are a woman, should they be allowed to walk into the woman's locker room? 1.00

00:06:41.000 Yeah, I think that's fine.

00:06:46.000 Like, if they identify as a woman, I mean, I don't think it's that deep.

00:06:53.000 I mean, well, what's your angle against it?

00:06:58.000 Well, that men and women are distinct and perverts have no places in locker rooms?

00:07:02.000 But I don't think...

00:07:02.000 Listen.

00:07:04.000 I don't think trans people are perverts.

00:07:07.000 And I would say if someone is a pervert...

00:07:10.000 Listen.

00:07:11.000 If a man is a real true predator, will not turn trans and say, oh, I'm a woman now, to go into a women's bathroom?

00:07:20.000 Well, actually, the clinical data shows that men to women transitions, which don't exist, is something called autogynophilia.

00:07:27.000 Do you know what autogynophilia is?

00:07:28.000 No idea.

00:07:29.000 That's a big word.

00:07:30.000 It's men that get sexual pleasure of dressing up like women and being around women.

00:07:35.000 Oh, okay.

00:07:36.000 Well, all right.

00:07:39.000 Okay, alright, that's crazy.

00:07:41.000 You can look it up.

00:07:42.000 It's a clinical term called autogonophilia.

00:07:44.000 It is the biggest driver of transgenderism. 1.00

00:07:47.000 However, I do want to get to root causes, though.

00:07:51.000 Because we keep on using this word.

00:07:54.000 So, what is a woman? 1.00

00:07:56.000 Dude, I don't know.

00:07:58.000 That one's hard.

00:07:59.000 Dude, that's your line.

00:08:01.000 And I think that's hard to say, man.

00:08:03.000 I don't know.

00:08:05.000 What do you think is a woman? 1.00

00:08:07.000 Well, a woman is an adult female with XX chromosome. 0.99

00:08:09.000 It's not difficult, right?

00:08:10.000 I disagree.

00:08:11.000 I don't think so.

00:08:11.000 But if you disagree, then what is your alternative?

00:08:14.000 Oh, I don't know.

00:08:16.000 So you disagree without an alternative?

00:08:18.000 Yeah.

00:08:19.000 Yeah, okay.

00:08:20.000 Well, I mean, I think that's a fair thing to say.

00:08:22.000 But you disagree, but you must have some opinion.

00:08:25.000 What is your opinion of what a woman is?

00:08:26.000 I really don't know.

00:08:27.000 I think it's a gender.

00:08:29.000 I think it's a gender more than a sex.

00:08:31.000 I think sex is female and then a woman is like gender. 1.00

00:08:35.000 Yeah.

00:08:36.000 That's what I would say.

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00:09:55.000 So I guess the other question I have is that is there something morally wrong with an 11-year-old?

00:10:02.000 Who thinks that they are a woman or thinks they are a boy taking medication to change their body?

00:10:08.000 I actually think it depends because I think there is a real concern about permanent changes.

00:10:17.000 But I think it's often a bit of a huge scare because I think there's a lot of procedures that go into being transgender that aren't permanent.

00:10:25.000 And I think those are totally fine.

00:10:28.000 I think if an 11-year-old says, hey...

00:10:30.000 An 11-year-old boy says, hey, I think I'm a girl.

00:10:33.000 And they want to dress up like a girl to go to school. 0.97

00:10:35.000 I don't think that's...

00:10:36.000 That's not an irreversible thing.

00:10:38.000 I think that's totally fine.

00:10:39.000 Yeah, if an 11-year-old wants to chop off their arms, should we say fine?

00:10:42.000 Chop off their arms?

00:10:43.000 No, I think that's pretty bad.

00:10:45.000 That's interesting.

00:10:46.000 Yeah.

00:10:46.000 But if they want to chop off their breasts, cool?

00:10:49.000 No, I think going...

00:10:51.000 First of all, that's a far leap.

00:10:53.000 That's a procedure other than just chopping off your breasts. 1.00

00:10:57.000 I do think...

00:10:57.000 Which happens thousands of times a year.

00:10:59.000 Going through the actual surgery, that's really far.

00:11:03.000 You know, that doesn't have to occur early stage.

00:11:07.000 Like, if someone's transgender, there's so much more than physically, like, chopping off your body parts. 1.00

00:11:13.000 A lot of it is just self-expression.

00:11:15.000 So if an 11-year-old says, I'm going to chop off my body parts, yeah, I would say they can't really do that.

00:11:21.000 Let's wait a little later.

00:11:22.000 At some point, parents should come in and say, don't.

00:11:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:11:24.000 Parents should be parents.

00:11:25.000 That's what parents are for.

00:11:26.000 Should 14-year-olds be able to get tattoos?

00:11:28.000 No, I think that's a permanent change.

00:11:31.000 I guess it's not necessarily permanent.

00:11:34.000 But puberty blockers will stop puberty almost permanently.

00:11:38.000 They can't get to sexual climax.

00:11:40.000 Now, is it permanent?

00:11:42.000 Because I'm not sure.

00:11:43.000 I don't know.

00:11:44.000 Here's my angle.

00:11:45.000 If it's permanent, I think it should be waited until later on.

00:11:48.000 If it's not permanent...

00:11:49.000 Then it's whatever.

00:11:50.000 And I think that's where it comes from.

00:11:52.000 It is permanent, irreversible damage.

00:11:54.000 Sure.

00:11:54.000 I have no idea.

00:11:55.000 I really don't know.

00:11:55.000 And so you said something earlier which you said there's a lot of hate towards trans people.

00:11:59.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:00.000 Has anything I've said here hateful?

00:12:02.000 Yeah, I would say a little bit.

00:12:04.000 At least I felt like it was at the very least rude.

00:12:08.000 So explain, because everything I've said is very factual and truthful.

00:12:12.000 I want to know why we should...

00:12:13.000 I think one thing you said...

00:12:14.000 I'm taking really long, but one thing that you said that I feel like could have been seen as rude was when you mentioned...

00:12:22.000 And you just essentially called all trans people perverts.

00:12:25.000 I think that's pretty hateful.

00:12:26.000 No, I said if you are a man going into a woman's locker room, you absolutely are a pervert. 1.00

00:12:29.000 Okay, but if you identify as a woman... 0.75

00:12:32.000 It doesn't matter if you identify.

00:12:33.000 You could identify as a rhinoceros or a gator or an elephant.

00:12:36.000 Now we're back to disagreements on what is being a woman. 0.99

00:12:40.000 So, no, but it's not a disagreement.

00:12:41.000 You see, I'm living in reality.

00:12:45.000 You are wearing a dress.

00:12:46.000 We're in, like, completely different worlds, right?

00:12:48.000 I feel like, okay, you started this complimenting my dress.

00:12:51.000 And I think you don't like it.

00:12:53.000 I'm starting to feel a little bit hurt right now.

00:12:57.000 You can feel whatever you'd like.

00:13:00.000 I do think, though, that it's interesting, and I'll just close with this, which is that a civilization that can't define very basic biological terms and stay close to them...

00:13:10.000 Is a civilization in moral chaos.

00:13:12.000 And we are experiencing that with both our kids, both with biological standards, and of course with women's sports. 0.96

00:13:18.000 900 awards, medals, and sporting events have been taken from women.

00:13:22.000 Not to mention the women that have to undress next to biological men. 1.00

00:13:26.000 And I guess that is a fair question.

00:13:29.000 Should there be female sports at all? 1.00

00:13:31.000 Yeah, I think that's fine.

00:13:32.000 But what I was going to get back to, I just think that...

00:13:37.000 Like, it's just like how I was saying, you're part of the problem, I think, with the hatred on trans people.

00:13:43.000 It's really not that deep.

00:13:47.000 Like, if someone wants to dress up however they want, that's totally fine.

00:13:51.000 Okay, so I'm not preventing you from dressing up like this.

00:13:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:55.000 I know you're not.

00:13:56.000 However, let me ask you a question.

00:13:58.000 I will flush this out.

00:14:00.000 So let's pretend you say you are a woman.

00:14:02.000 Yeah, yeah, let's pretend.

00:14:03.000 I know you are a man, but I refuse to call you a woman. 1.00

00:14:06.000 Okay.

00:14:07.000 Who's the hateful one?

00:14:08.000 I would say you are.

00:14:10.000 I mean, I wouldn't appreciate it.

00:14:10.000 So you're going to force me and shame me.

00:14:12.000 I'm not forcing you to do anything, man.

00:14:13.000 No, hold on a second.

00:14:14.000 I'm the hateful one to shame me into saying something that is biologically...

00:14:18.000 I'm not shaming you either.

00:14:19.000 No, you said I'm hateful.

00:14:20.000 Of course that's shaming.

00:14:21.000 Yeah, it's just kind of rude.

00:14:22.000 It's really just, like, common courtesy.

00:14:25.000 Let me be clear.

00:14:29.000 It is never common courtesy to lie.

00:14:32.000 It is never common courtesy to go up against reality.

00:14:36.000 You do not become a thing just because you say you are the thing.

00:14:39.000 And guess what?

00:14:40.000 Nobody in the history of the species that was born XX or born XY and transitioned is able to change their chromosomes. 0.99

00:14:47.000 Every one of your cells is coded either XX or XY. 0.74

00:14:50.000 And it is an insult to women everywhere, in this audience and across the country, that's saying...

00:14:54.000 That you could just wear makeup and dress like a woman, undergo surgery, that you magically become a woman. 0.98

00:15:00.000 And it is the abolition of women and is the abolition of reality. 1.00

00:15:05.000 And with it, we see great unjust human suffering because of it.

00:15:11.000 I really don't see that point, but I think we're getting to the point where we straight up disagree.

00:15:17.000 And I don't know how to get there.

00:15:19.000 I wouldn't even say that we agree to disagree.

00:15:21.000 I'm not agreeing to disagree.

00:15:22.000 But what we're saying, though, is that we have two different perceptions of reality.

00:15:27.000 And that's a very important thing versus disagreement.

00:15:30.000 Disagreement is that we have two different opinions.

00:15:32.000 Two perspectives, yeah.

00:15:33.000 Two opinions, two perspectives.

00:15:34.000 But we don't have two different opinions, which is that I believe A is A, and I believe that gravity is real.

00:15:40.000 What are you talking about?

00:15:41.000 You are living in a concept that is completely abstract and theoretical and does not apply to any other material science.

00:15:48.000 I don't think that's true, man.

00:15:49.000 I think, like I said, it's in the mind.

00:15:53.000 It really is in your head.

00:15:54.000 Okay, but if that were to be true, can somebody say they are black?

00:16:00.000 No, no, I wouldn't say so.

00:16:01.000 Why not?

00:16:01.000 It's in the mind.

00:16:02.000 It's not.

00:16:03.000 Race isn't in the mind.

00:16:05.000 Hold on a second.

00:16:05.000 I mean, why not?

00:16:06.000 How is race and gender different? 0.96

00:16:08.000 Can someone say they're rich?

00:16:09.000 It's in the mind.

00:16:10.000 Can someone say they're old?

00:16:12.000 Can I say that I'm 14 years old?

00:16:13.000 No, I don't think so.

00:16:14.000 Why?

00:16:14.000 It's in the mind.

00:16:15.000 But it's not.

00:16:16.000 But why is it that gender's in the mind, but... 0.98

00:16:18.000 That race or how rich you are, how old you are is not in the mind.

00:16:21.000 Well, I think they're different.

00:16:23.000 How?

00:16:23.000 Prove it.

00:16:24.000 They're all actually in the mind.

00:16:26.000 They're all mindsets.

00:16:26.000 They're all psychologies, aren't they?

00:16:28.000 I just don't think so.

00:16:29.000 I disagree.

00:16:31.000 What in your cell says you're white or black?

00:16:34.000 Actually, nothing.

00:16:35.000 I think so.

00:16:36.000 Actually, no, it's not true.

00:16:37.000 What in your cells actually says you're XX or XY?

00:16:39.000 A lot.

00:16:40.000 Yeah, but that's, again, going back to sex, not gender.

00:16:44.000 Gender doesn't exist. 1.00

00:16:45.000 And that's where the disagreement comes.

00:16:47.000 I think you're wrong.

00:16:48.000 You are living under a multi-decade propaganda spree from John Money.

00:16:55.000 Multi-decade.

00:16:56.000 All right, man.

00:16:57.000 That's all right.

00:16:58.000 Are we good?

00:17:00.000 Do you have anything else to say?

00:17:01.000 No, I mean, again, I get asked by Democrats all the time.

00:17:03.000 Charlie, why did we lose the election?

00:17:06.000 Thank you.

00:17:07.000 Okay, alright.

00:17:08.000 Because we don't dress up in dresses and go to events like this.

00:17:11.000 I feel, okay, now I think you're just a liar.

00:17:14.000 You said you liked my dress.

00:17:15.000 Alright, I'm good to go.

00:17:16.000 Thank you.

00:17:16.000 Did I earn a hat?

00:17:17.000 Did I earn a hat?

00:17:18.000 Really?

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00:18:38.000 Yes.

00:18:39.000 Hello, how are you?

00:18:40.000 I'm good.

00:18:42.000 Okay, so there's one thing that you've said so far that I agree with, and that's Republicans won the election because of stoking fear about transgenderism and paranoia about these culture issues, and their actual policy and economic agenda is devastating for the middle and working class and Americans.

00:18:59.000 There is nothing that the Republican budget proposal right now is going to do to benefit working-class Americans.

00:19:06.000 They're passing tax cuts that are going to add $4.5 trillion to the debt over the next 10 years.

00:19:11.000 Tax cuts are going to save the economy.

00:19:13.000 Since 2000, we've passed tax cuts four separate times, five if you include the recent budget proposal, to the tune of $11.5 trillion.

00:19:21.000 It's not going to save the economy then.

00:19:24.000 If it was going to, it would have done it a few trillion dollars ago.

00:19:27.000 What we could have invested for the Republican tax cuts, just the recent one, is funding universal child lunch over 10 times, which is the cheapest way to improve test scores.

00:19:37.000 We could have increased funding for Medicare to improve American health.

00:19:40.000 We could have provided paid family medical leave.

00:19:43.000 We could have provided universal child care over 15 times over to increase the participation of working mothers in the workforce.

00:19:49.000 If you look at where we're spending the money on tax cuts, we could significantly be uplifting the working class, and Republicans just aren't doing that.

00:19:56.000 They just want to give handouts to rich people.

00:19:58.000 So in any world, why should we vote for them other than, oh, they make me scared about trans people? 1.00

00:20:04.000 Yeah, so you say it's paranoia about trans people.

00:20:07.000 Is it paranoia when moms are concerned that their daughters have to change next to men? 0.99

00:20:12.000 Okay, where do we draw the line?

00:20:14.000 Because I think women... 1.00

00:20:15.000 No, to answer the question.

00:20:16.000 Okay.

00:20:17.000 No, it requires a little bit of nuance.

00:20:19.000 Okay, so I think trans men and women, like a woman with her daughter, would feel a lot more comfortable with a trans woman that's undergone a vaginoplasty than a trans guy that has a dick, even though he has XX chromosomes. 0.77

00:20:31.000 So where do we draw the line?

00:20:32.000 Because that's a valid distinction we have to make.

00:20:35.000 What?

00:20:35.000 I'm sorry.

00:20:36.000 Okay, trans men get a vaginoplasty. 1.00

00:20:39.000 They have dicks. 0.53

00:20:40.000 Should they be in the locker room with women? 1.00

00:20:43.000 Well, first of all...

00:20:44.000 There's no such thing as trans men or trans women.

00:20:46.000 There are men or women.

00:20:47.000 So you mean fake men, so you mean women. 0.99

00:20:50.000 Okay, we can agree or disagree on that.

00:20:51.000 No, there's not agree or disagree.

00:20:52.000 Because you have to then prove the point.

00:20:54.000 At what point does a human being...

00:20:55.000 I don't think the semantics of the argument matter to the core.

00:20:59.000 Well, it does matter.

00:21:00.000 But I'm saying, it's not paranoia about trans people.

00:21:04.000 It's very simple.

00:21:05.000 And I'll get into the economics because it's a fair question.

00:21:08.000 We'll get into that.

00:21:08.000 I am interested, though.

00:21:10.000 Is there anything disturbing to you?

00:21:12.000 About biological men winning championship after championship, stealing medals from women. 0.94

00:21:17.000 Does that bother you?

00:21:18.000 Okay, so the most high-profile transgender woman that competed in NCAA sports, there are 12 right now. 0.99

00:21:26.000 Okay, you brought her up.

00:21:27.000 It's Leah Thomas.

00:21:28.000 She got fifth.

00:21:29.000 She was a good swimmer before. 0.92

00:21:31.000 William Thomas won the national championship.

00:21:34.000 What's her legal name?

00:21:35.000 William Thomas.

00:21:36.000 I call her Leah.

00:21:37.000 That's how she goes by.

00:21:38.000 A lot of people have nicknames.

00:21:39.000 I don't reckon.

00:21:40.000 You can respect that.

00:21:41.000 How about Thomas?

00:21:42.000 We'll call him Thomas.

00:21:44.000 Okay, sure.

00:21:45.000 Thomas.

00:21:46.000 So, the most high-profile one was actually the Olympics with the Paris boxer of this woman.

00:21:51.000 She wasn't trans. 0.85

00:21:52.000 Oh, yes, she was.

00:21:53.000 She wasn't.

00:21:54.000 Oh, yes, she was.

00:21:55.000 You haven't seen the latest report.

00:21:57.000 It came out that it was a biological man that went beat up on this poor woman.

00:22:02.000 That woman was not trans.

00:22:04.000 And that's part of the problem.

00:22:07.000 Algeria has come out and has admitted it.

00:22:08.000 See, you're dealing in a different factual universe.

00:22:11.000 But I just want to be clear, though.

00:22:12.000 It's a very simple question.

00:22:14.000 Can we at least agree?

00:22:15.000 No more men and women's sports. 0.59

00:22:16.000 Can we just, like, say we're done with that?

00:22:18.000 Can we at least agree on that?

00:22:20.000 No.

00:22:24.000 I think the governing bodies of these sports should take reasonable precautions to, like...

00:22:29.000 It's not like these transgender women are just showing, can I just finish? 1.00

00:22:32.000 You understand, we're going to win every election.

00:22:34.000 It's actually good for us that you guys are this insane.

00:22:36.000 Okay, but it's not simple.

00:22:37.000 There's like a lot of nuance to this debate, and I'd like if I could answer your question.

00:22:40.000 There is no nuance.

00:22:41.000 Explain the nuance, though.

00:22:42.000 Okay, I will.

00:22:42.000 Okay, so it's not like these transgender women are just showing up in sports and being like, actually, I'm a woman now, and I want to go break all these records.

00:22:49.000 No, it's exactly how it works.

00:22:50.000 No, okay.

00:22:50.000 Within six to nine months, they're self-declaring as a woman.

00:22:53.000 Could I finish?

00:22:54.000 So the Olympic body has very strict governing standards on the amount of testosterone and the amount of time you've been on hormone replacement therapy to reduce your levels of testosterone, that's like the performance enhancer for these sports, to natural levels of women.

00:23:13.000 Whether or not that provides an advantage or not.

00:23:16.000 Is up to, like, the governing bodies.

00:23:18.000 I do think there should be research into that.

00:23:20.000 But say, like, a blanket ban on people who might have been taking puberty blockers since they were 12 and then go on to progress and actually know you're not allowed to participate in women's sports.

00:23:28.000 There doesn't really seem to be an argument for that, does there?

00:23:31.000 Of course there is.

00:23:32.000 Why?

00:23:33.000 Well, you haven't gone through puberty.

00:23:34.000 Hold on a second.

00:23:35.000 You developed as a woman.

00:23:36.000 You never got the boost from testosterone.

00:23:38.000 What's the performance advantage?

00:23:39.000 What do you mean developed as a woman?

00:23:41.000 You still have more...

00:23:43.000 Do you understand?

00:23:44.000 Just a refresher.

00:23:45.000 I don't know if you know this.

00:23:45.000 But men, XY chromosomes, tend to be 30% taller.

00:23:49.000 They tend to have twice as much muscle mass, nearly three times as much bone density, more lung capacity, almost every possible structural advantage in sports that you...

00:23:59.000 By the way, I can't believe I have to tell you this.

00:24:01.000 It's so obvious just looking at nature.

00:24:04.000 I just want everyone to go back in your memory.

00:24:06.000 Do you remember in the Olympics where that poor French woman, her whole Italian woman was all about boxing and she just got beat up for 80 seconds. 1.00

00:24:14.000 That was a fake woman. 1.00

00:24:16.000 It was a biological man.

00:24:17.000 It was on display for billions of years.

00:24:22.000 You are missing a very important fact about the differences in physical capabilities between men and women and that most of them develop before puberty.

00:24:36.000 As puberty is going on, when the male body gets a lot of testosterone, so if you develop and you take puberty blockers, and then when you're 18, you take estrogen, you develop as a woman, you won't...

00:24:47.000 Get those physical advantages.

00:24:49.000 First of all, you're wrong.

00:24:50.000 It doesn't impact height.

00:24:51.000 It doesn't impact lung capacity.

00:24:53.000 It doesn't impact bone density.

00:24:54.000 It might impact testosterone, and it might impact... 0.76

00:24:57.000 It totally impacts...

00:24:57.000 It's a testosterone blocker.

00:24:59.000 What do you mean it might?

00:25:00.000 This is the kicker, though, because you made my argument for me, which is amazing.

00:25:03.000 You said there's only 12, quote-unquote, trans athletes in the NCAA.

00:25:06.000 In the NCAA, yes.

00:25:07.000 And yet we know, like, three of them.

00:25:09.000 Why?

00:25:10.000 Because they end up winning all the awards.

00:25:11.000 No, because there's so few of them that they win all the championships.

00:25:15.000 How does that work?

00:25:15.000 The volleyball player...

00:25:17.000 At San Jose State that hospitalized a girl.

00:25:20.000 A girl got hospitalized because of her.

00:25:22.000 We look at her speed on her serves and her spikes. 0.99

00:25:25.000 They're not significantly faster than the average woman. 1.00

00:25:28.000 She's not playing for a significantly competitive school.

00:25:30.000 You're acting like these women are dominating the field. 1.00

00:25:33.000 You understand the gift that Democrats are giving us?

00:25:34.000 This is a 90-10 issue.

00:25:36.000 You guys are so...

00:25:37.000 Do you want to look up the San Jose volleyball raking?

00:25:40.000 I'm really aware of that incident.

00:25:41.000 Because she's been on the team for like three years.

00:25:43.000 Someone do it.

00:25:43.000 I'm actually aware of that issue and that incident.

00:25:46.000 But no, it's just, I want you guys to not give us this political gift.

00:25:49.000 It's a very middling volleyball team.

00:25:52.000 And like, competitive sports is very competitive.

00:25:56.000 NCAA sports is very competitive, but it's not like she's dominating and you guys are acting like she is.

00:26:00.000 She literally is dominating. 1.00

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00:27:04.000 By the way, not every man that's quote unquote to play with women is going to beat women.

00:27:09.000 The point is that enough to, we have 900 examples of stolen medals and awards and championships.

00:27:15.000 Is that wrong?

00:27:16.000 Is that a societal problem? 0.87

00:27:17.000 I think there's nuance in the debate and like where you started getting puberty blockers into development that should influence that.

00:27:25.000 I don't think you should say.

00:27:26.000 Straight up, no.

00:27:27.000 You have XY chromosomes. 0.94

00:27:28.000 You can't...

00:27:29.000 Okay, let's try to find more common agreement.

00:27:31.000 Should we agree that 14-year-olds should not be able to get gender-affirming care?

00:27:36.000 No.

00:27:37.000 You think they should?

00:27:38.000 Yeah, I think they do.

00:27:40.000 Are you the Society of Pediatric Endocrinologists?

00:27:44.000 Are you the AMA?

00:27:45.000 Because they disagree with you.

00:27:46.000 You're not a doctor, and the medical literature disagrees with you.

00:27:50.000 First of all, the AMA and the medical literature is completely corrupted.

00:27:53.000 They have destroyed thousands of lives.

00:27:56.000 And just because you don't have the title doctor does not mean that you can't see which doctor practices from afar.

00:28:03.000 There is no medicinal value of giving a 14-year-old girl who might be going through a phase who's probably going through puberty anxiety, irreversible drugs like Lupron and breast removal surgery and saying that this is all about gender-affirming care.

00:28:16.000 No one in the United States under the age of 16 gets, like, breast reduction surgery.

00:28:23.000 They do have access to hormones. 1.00

00:28:24.000 And there are...

00:28:25.000 Medical benefits to that, primarily the decrease in anxiety and suicidality.

00:28:30.000 First of all, that's been disproven in the Cass report.

00:28:32.000 Okay, the Cass report?

00:28:33.000 I'm so happy you brought that up, actually.

00:28:35.000 Because the Cass report is like ignoring a lot of high-quality studies.

00:28:39.000 The methodology they use is excluding a lot of pediatric studies.

00:28:44.000 I don't want to pick on you, but you've got to explain to me, what is a woman? 1.00

00:28:46.000 A woman? 0.80

00:28:47.000 Okay.

00:28:48.000 Let's be clear.

00:28:51.000 Language is a device we use to express thoughts.

00:28:55.000 If I had XX chromosomes and you called me a man, like, he's asking me a question, people would look at you, like, if I had XX chromosomes and I transitioned into a man, and you called me a man, and you were like, oh, she's asking a question.

00:29:12.000 Dude, this is not a hard question, please.

00:29:14.000 What is the question?

00:29:14.000 I think it's anyone who identifies as a woman.

00:29:16.000 Got it.

00:29:17.000 No, no, but then what is the term?

00:29:19.000 It's like saying a tree is a thing that is a tree.

00:29:20.000 That's circular reasoning.

00:29:21.000 So we have to define the term.

00:29:23.000 So what is that?

00:29:24.000 I think it's literally just that.

00:29:26.000 I don't think it has to be that deep.

00:29:28.000 Okay, how would you define it then?

00:29:29.000 To, like, understand where you're coming from.

00:29:31.000 As humanity always has, which is an adult female with XX chromosomes, right? 0.98

00:29:35.000 Not tough, not difficult, not overcomplicated.

00:29:36.000 My two-year-old actually could say, woman, man, woman, man, man, woman, woman, man.

00:29:42.000 Men with androgen insensitivity who phenotypically are female.

00:29:46.000 Are they men?

00:29:48.000 Do you think we should call them PM?

00:29:49.000 Should we call them men?

00:29:50.000 What's their chromosome structure?

00:29:51.000 It would be really rude.

00:29:52.000 What's their chromosome?

00:29:53.000 Their XY. 0.81

00:29:54.000 Okay, but they're not men then.

00:29:57.000 I got a mixed up.

00:29:58.000 Okay.

00:29:58.000 But going back to the definition.

00:30:00.000 Yeah, men with androgen insensitivity.

00:30:02.000 They don't get testosterone.

00:30:03.000 They're phenotypically female. 1.00

00:30:05.000 They're XY. 1.00

00:30:07.000 Do you mean individuals with Swire syndrome?

00:30:09.000 Is that what you're asking?

00:30:10.000 No, I mean androgen insensitivity.

00:30:11.000 You have XY chromosomes. 0.94

00:30:13.000 Your body doesn't produce...

00:30:14.000 A man.

00:30:16.000 XY chromosomes.

00:30:17.000 Man.

00:30:19.000 So, XY man, XX female. 0.99

00:30:22.000 You don't process testosterone.

00:30:24.000 Phenotypically, you are a woman. 1.00

00:30:26.000 You have a vagina. 1.00

00:30:27.000 That's called Swire syndrome.

00:30:29.000 No, it's not.

00:30:29.000 It's called androgen insensitivity.

00:30:32.000 You're just wrong.

00:30:33.000 Someone look it up.

00:30:34.000 Literally look up Swire syndrome.

00:30:36.000 It's exactly what I'm talking about.

00:30:37.000 Someone look up androgen insensitivity.

00:30:38.000 It's someone that has XY chromosomes.

00:30:41.000 But a disfiguration on the binary does not...

00:30:46.000 Okay, but your definition isn't complete.

00:30:49.000 Of course it's complete.

00:30:51.000 But you can't answer the question by saying...

00:30:54.000 It's like saying, Charlie, what is a table?

00:30:55.000 Well, a table is something that is a table.

00:30:58.000 Nothing in the world would we accept that as a definition.

00:31:00.000 So you've got to give me more than that.

00:31:02.000 What is the woman that we're speaking of? 0.66

00:31:03.000 I don't think I do.

00:31:05.000 It works in my worldview.

00:31:07.000 I mean, there's not really...

00:31:09.000 I mean, I don't think saying you identify as a woman...

00:31:13.000 Okay, I'll call you a woman. 1.00

00:31:15.000 In public society, in medicine, yeah, we should probably make a distinction.

00:31:19.000 Like, you have XY chromosomes, but you're not a doctor.

00:31:21.000 Why do you need to know that?

00:31:22.000 Why does it matter if you call them a man or not?

00:31:24.000 Hold on.

00:31:25.000 So we just gravitated from that this is what it is to why does it matter.

00:31:30.000 Let me tell you why it matters.

00:31:31.000 Because we are being forced to lie on a daily basis and affirm people's mental delusions.

00:31:36.000 And we refuse to lie.

00:31:38.000 We're not going to affirm a lie, and we're not going to teach it to our kids, and we're not going to put our kids in locker rooms alongside men who think they are women, which puts them in danger at safety and ruins female privacy.

00:31:48.000 But trans men with dicks are okay, because they have XX chromosomes. 1.00

00:31:50.000 I'm sorry?

00:31:51.000 Trans men with dicks are okay, because they have XX chromosomes then? 1.00

00:31:54.000 They're not men.

00:31:56.000 Okay, but they have...

00:31:58.000 They look like a man. 0.73

00:31:59.000 No one's going to be able to tell the difference.

00:32:00.000 They have a fake part that they paid for in plastic surgery.

00:32:03.000 Okay, you think that's going to matter?

00:32:05.000 Hold on.

00:32:05.000 Of course it matters.

00:32:06.000 You can make yourself look like something else.

00:32:09.000 You think a woman and a girl in a women's locker room, a trans guy who looks exactly like a guy, strips down, oh, I have XX chromosomes, that's fine. 0.72

00:32:17.000 Because that's what you're saying.

00:32:18.000 Well, hold on.

00:32:19.000 First of all...

00:32:20.000 What you're saying is they don't look as you think.

00:32:22.000 You could tell that they are a woman. 0.99

00:32:23.000 Number two, they should be kicked out of the locker room in general because that's a really weird freak that shouldn't even be in public life. 0.98

00:32:29.000 Number three, though, and this is the most important thing, transgenderism is so obviously a mental illness. 1.00

00:32:35.000 And the treatment for that is puberty blockers, testosterone, and hormone replacement therapy.

00:32:39.000 Why would we change the treatment that worked for 40 years?

00:32:42.000 Say, you are not this.

00:32:44.000 Let's find the underlying cause.

00:32:46.000 No, it doesn't work.

00:32:47.000 That's in the clinical practice, the guidelines.

00:32:49.000 The DSM-5 is wrong.

00:32:51.000 These clinicians are making millions of dollars abusing our kids. 1.00

00:32:55.000 No, what you're saying is we should address underlying mental health issues.

00:32:58.000 That's part of the DSM clinical guidelines.

00:33:01.000 But it also includes gender-affirming care to reduce symptoms of anxiety and suicidality.

00:33:06.000 Gender-affirming care is butchering.

00:33:08.000 So what do you mean by works?

00:33:10.000 It reduces suicidality.

00:33:12.000 It reduces anxiety.

00:33:13.000 For detransitioners, does it work? 1.00

00:33:14.000 The detransition rate is about 1%.

00:33:16.000 So are we saying that 99% of people who are happy with the treatment they receive shouldn't have access to it?

00:33:21.000 I've met a lot of trans people.

00:33:22.000 I don't think I've ever seen a happy trans person. 1.00

00:33:24.000 I know a lot more.

00:33:25.000 I lived in Lavender.

00:33:26.000 I guarantee you I know more that are more than happy.

00:33:29.000 Do you know why?

00:33:30.000 Because transgenderism, and this is the final point, is a symptom of an underlying cause. 0.99

00:33:35.000 If you see a fever, you don't know what the issue is.

00:33:38.000 It could be COVID, it could be a bacterial infection, it could be sepsis.

00:33:42.000 Genderism is somebody that might have been abused as a kid, having puberty anxiety, or most often, they have autism.

00:33:48.000 And they don't know how to fit in with other people.

00:33:50.000 And they're very expressionist.

00:33:51.000 And they're very much like trying to be in the world.

00:33:55.000 And transgenderism holds on to people that are neurodivergent and that are on the spectrum. 0.85

00:34:00.000 And it weaponizes autism towards this butchery and this medieval practice of chopping off people's parts.

00:34:06.000 So instead of going towards the underlying causes of autism, we've turned an entire generation of kids with irreversible damage.

00:34:12.000 Okay.

00:34:13.000 Yeah.

00:34:14.000 Back to the economy, because that's what's going to affect most people.

00:34:17.000 I mean, did I not say that?

00:34:19.000 Most people are going to be more impacted by the Republicans' economy.

00:34:23.000 As long as you guys keep on having a war on women and a war on reality, you're going to keep on losing elections. 1.00

00:34:28.000 I wish we could end this issue.

00:34:30.000 I'm kind of sick talking about it.

00:34:31.000 I mean, stop talking about it.

00:34:33.000 Let's talk about the Republicans' $4.5 trillion tax cut.

00:34:36.000 And a trillion dollars to the 1% over the next 10 years.

00:34:38.000 I'm happy to talk about that, but we won't move on from fundamental biological truth.

00:34:45.000 I think most people care a lot more about having health care than what someone's medical decision is.

00:34:50.000 It's not an either or.

00:34:51.000 Our economic plan is way better.

00:34:53.000 Let me ask.

00:34:54.000 Was the economy better under Trump or Biden?

00:34:57.000 Are they wrong?

00:34:59.000 Are they wrong?

00:35:01.000 Yeah.

00:35:02.000 I think...

00:35:03.000 Okay, one, tell me which explicit policies that Trump passed led to...

00:35:08.000 Energy independence, better trade deals, tax cuts.

00:35:09.000 Biden drills more oil than Trump.

00:35:11.000 Our oil drilling levels are higher than they've ever been.

00:35:14.000 Not true.

00:35:14.000 That's literally just a fact.

00:35:16.000 No, it's not.

00:35:16.000 But anyway, the point being is that the price of gas was lower under Trump.

00:35:19.000 We had better economic prosperity.

00:35:21.000 We're drilling more.

00:35:22.000 We're producing more oil.

00:35:23.000 It's not helpful for us just to debate back and forth what economy was better.

00:35:26.000 Everybody remembers the Trump years.

00:35:28.000 It was better.

00:35:28.000 And so no amount of spin will get it back.

00:35:31.000 What the Trump tax cut will do, will actually, you know what it'll be?

00:35:35.000 No tax on tips.

00:35:36.000 No tax on Social Security.

00:35:38.000 It is the largest working class tax cut in the history of Washington.

00:35:42.000 Most people do not get their income from tips or social security.

00:35:49.000 Hold on.

00:35:50.000 Hold on.

00:35:50.000 Every person over 65 gets income from Social Security, number one.

00:35:54.000 Number two, it's also he's looking at no Social Security tax, which is FICA.

00:35:59.000 And finally, what we're going to see is the largest working class family tax cut.

00:36:04.000 Joe Biden did none of this stuff.

00:36:05.000 He raised taxes on Americans.

00:36:07.000 Hyperinflation crushed people.

00:36:09.000 It's just an extension of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act.

00:36:10.000 So it's not...

00:36:11.000 Really reducing taxes, it's just keeping them at the current level they are?

00:36:14.000 Yes, well, the ones that worked very well under Trump, and then adding no tax on tips, no tax on Social Security, etc., etc.

00:36:19.000 So you're still increasing the deficit by $4.5 trillion?

00:36:22.000 That's not true.

00:36:23.000 We're cutting a lot of spending through Doge.

00:36:25.000 It's not nearly close to $4.5 trillion.

00:36:27.000 When you cut taxes, sometimes revenues go up.

00:36:30.000 Okay, the TBO estimates from the Trump tax cuts when you passed them in 2017 were actually lower.

00:36:37.000 Than the projected revenue.

00:36:38.000 So we're actually not seeing that.

00:36:40.000 The deficits under Trump were much lower than under Biden.

00:36:42.000 But I just...

00:36:43.000 I find your passion great.

00:36:46.000 The Democrat Party is going to be in a place of perpetual wilderness.

00:36:48.000 And I wish you guys would get sane.

00:36:50.000 I want to have two...

00:36:51.000 I wish you guys would actually pass things that would help working people.

00:36:54.000 Like universal child care.

00:36:55.000 We won and you didn't.

00:36:57.000 Universal family paid leave.

00:36:59.000 And you're worried about transgender people.

00:37:01.000 That'll have a lot more...

00:37:03.000 Actually, funding child care.

00:37:05.000 We're worried about a lot of things, but it's just so remarkable that we sign an executive order saying that no men in female sports, and there's opposition.

00:37:14.000 Wouldn't it be smart for you guys to be like, you know, this is a 90-10 issue.

00:37:17.000 Girls are losing championships, but you guys are so married to that. 1.00

00:37:20.000 I know too many trans people. 1.00

00:37:21.000 I have befriended and loved too many trans people to sacrifice them and throw them under the bus. 1.00

00:37:26.000 Good luck in the next election with that.

00:37:29.000 Thank you.

00:37:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:37:32.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

00:37:34.000 Thanks so much for listening and God bless.

The Charlie Kirk Show - May 09, 2025

Have You Ever Seen A Happy Trans Person?

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