The Charlie Kirk Show - July 20, 2022


Is China a Paper Tiger Afterall? With Sen. Marsha Blackburn and Kyle Bass


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If you're confused about what's happening to the Chinese Communist Party, this is the episode for you. Senator Marsha Blackburn and Kyle Bass join us to discuss the latest in China and what it means for the future of the country.

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00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, today on the Charlie Kirk Show, a comprehensive episode about China.
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00:00:08.000 If you want clarity about what's happening to the Chinese Communist Party, this is the episode for you.
00:00:13.000 Senator Marsha Blackburn and Kyle Bass, join us.
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00:01:47.000 There's so much news happening with China right now.
00:01:51.000 And so I wanted to bring who I consider to be the preeminent expert on all things China, Kyle Bass, great American patriot.
00:02:00.000 He's the CIO of Heyman Capital and Conservation Equity Management and a China scholar and also a member on the Council of Foreign Relations.
00:02:10.000 Kyle Bass, welcome back to the program.
00:02:12.000 Pleasure to be here, Charlie.
00:02:14.000 So Kyle, there's a lot of news surrounding China right now.
00:02:18.000 Let's take a 35,000-foot view.
00:02:20.000 What should we be looking at?
00:02:21.000 China is openly threatening Nancy Pelosi for a visit to Taiwan.
00:02:24.000 Do you think they're going to make an approach on Taiwan anytime soon?
00:02:27.000 What's your take on this?
00:02:29.000 Yeah, you know, Charlie, it looks to me if you just, if you get out of whiteboard and you take into account many of the things that she's done in the last, call it, four or five months.
00:02:40.000 First thing he did is he told his banks to run a stress test, an aggressive stress test, in how they might deal with the asset side of their balance sheet in the event of extremely restrictive U.S. sanctions.
00:02:53.000 Well, the only thing the U.S. has never sanctioned Chinese SOE banks or joint stock banks, right?
00:02:59.000 There are four big banks.
00:03:00.000 There are 12 super regionals and they're about 10,000 local banks.
00:03:04.000 But we've never really sanctioned any of their big banks or even talked about it for that matter.
00:03:10.000 We should have long ago, given their malign activities and money laundering and funding terrorism and dealing with the enemies of the United States.
00:03:18.000 But irrespective of that, I think it's important to note that he ordered a stress test on the banks to deal with U.S. sanctions.
00:03:26.000 And then the next thing he did is he told the 90 million Communist Party members to divest of any of their personal assets they have in the U.S. and the West.
00:03:36.000 And then they revamped a couple of the laws that are on their books that deal with their national security.
00:03:43.000 The first one enables them to nationalize any assets in China that are currently owned by Western investors or Western corporate interests in the event of what they deem to be special circumstances, which include war.
00:04:00.000 And then they actually brought into law, Chinese law, a new law about dealing with compliance of foreign sanctions, i.e., if the U.S. sanctions China and a U.S. company based in China simply adheres to those sanctions, the expats can be arrested and the assets can be nationalized.
00:04:22.000 So when you look at the kind of flowchart on the wall, it's all there.
00:04:26.000 It's all there that they're moving towards a wartime footing.
00:04:29.000 And just in the last few days, we've been talking to some friends that have people that own factories all over China, and they're being forced to set plans for, again, wartime production.
00:04:42.000 So it sure looks to me like in the last few months and then literally in the last few days, you've probably seen that the rhetoric, whether it's coming out of General Milley yesterday or whether it was Janet Yellen doing the about face on the Chinese submitting themselves to Western audits, I've seen a sea change in the recent time that tell me that things are worsening, not getting better.
00:05:05.000 So just from a probability standpoint, what happens if China makes a move?
00:05:10.000 I mean, is Taiwan, how easy is it for them to take over, if at all?
00:05:15.000 I'm not a military expert by any means.
00:05:16.000 I know you know the region far better than most.
00:05:19.000 Is this going to be an easy endeavor for them if they are indeed preparing to go on war footing?
00:05:25.000 Yeah, I don't think it's going to be an easy, an easy, call it amphibious assault if that's the way they do it.
00:05:33.000 I think that I think everybody knows that the best window for the Chinese to cross the Taiwan Strait for an invasion happens basically in the autumn between call it the end of August and the end of September or the end of October. 0.97
00:05:47.000 And so here we are approaching those times.
00:05:49.000 We have Pelosi saying she's going to visit Taiwan, I think in August.
00:05:54.000 And so, you know, Charlie, the way that wars happen, no one can predict what's going to spark one of these wars, but it's easy to see the frictions build over time.
00:06:05.000 And whether you're talking about World War I or World War II or any of the major wars, these frictions build over long periods of time.
00:06:12.000 And then all of a sudden, something unpredictable happens, which kicks it off.
00:06:16.000 I have no idea of knowing what that's going to be, but I can tell you the frictions are at a boil.
00:06:22.000 So something that you've always said that has fascinated me that I want to make sure our audience hears is the fundamentals of China.
00:06:30.000 They're actually a lot weaker than a lot of the West realizes, that their banking system, their financial system is actually largely built on a house of cards.
00:06:40.000 Can you elaborate on that for us, please?
00:06:43.000 Sure.
00:06:44.000 So, you know, without diving too deep into kind of how the financial architecture is, it's important to note that basically the U.S. banking system, let's say going into our financial crisis in 2008, we had about 17.5 trillion of GDP.
00:06:58.000 We had about 17.5 trillion of bank loans on balance sheet in the system.
00:07:03.000 So call it one times our GDP in our bank loans.
00:07:06.000 And if you remember in the financial crisis and the aftermath, if you remember how Iceland and Ireland and Greece fell like dominoes, Iceland and Ireland had 10 times their GDP in banking assets.
00:07:20.000 So when the assets turn bad, let's just say a number of, let's say 5% of the loans go bad.
00:07:26.000 Well, if 10 times your economy has 5% of its loans go bad, you are completely broke as a country, right?
00:07:34.000 Your sovereign goes broke.
00:07:36.000 And that's what happened to Iceland and Ireland and Greece.
00:07:39.000 And it's important to note that China is three and a half, 350% more levered than the United States is levered.
00:07:47.000 And they've only been at this capitalism game for what, 20 years since they ascended the WTO in 2001.
00:07:54.000 So I think that the Chinese are really smart.
00:07:57.000 They're cunning.
00:07:58.000 They run a grand strategy, but they've got too many plates spinning, Charlie, and they've got way too many loans in their system.
00:08:04.000 You think about this also.
00:08:06.000 Almost 40% of the loans in the Chinese banking system are lent to real estate, which is in major crisis.
00:08:12.000 You've had 91 downgrades of Chinese property developers this year alone.
00:08:17.000 And in the last 10 years, you've only had about 50 downgrades over the last decade.
00:08:21.000 So you have property developers collapsing.
00:08:25.000 You have Chinese property prices collapsing.
00:08:27.000 You have people in China boycotting their mortgages because they've been lining up at their banks to get money out or cash out and the banks won't give it to them.
00:08:37.000 So you've seen bank runs and even the SOE banks in Hawaii.
00:08:40.000 You saw a Bank of China bank run.
00:08:42.000 So when you think about their economy, it has been hyper growth, hyper-levered for a long time.
00:08:48.000 And now the world's having a bit of a slowdown and they're going to have to deal with the ramifications of that.
00:08:54.000 They are a paper tiger.
00:08:56.000 Xi Ji Peng wrote in one of his musings at some point or a speech that he gave all about how the theory of Western capitalism is the ultimate force and it's being shaken to its core.
00:09:08.000 Socialist development has experienced a miracle.
00:09:10.000 Western capitalism has suffered reversals, a financial crisis, a credit crisis, a crisis of confidence, and their self-conviction has wavered.
00:09:17.000 Western countries have begun to reflect and openly or secretively compare themselves against China's politics, economy, and path.
00:09:24.000 Xi Ji Ping, on the inevitability of socialism.
00:09:27.000 About your immediate reaction to Xi Ji Ping's musings on the inevitable Chinese future.
00:09:33.000 It brings a smile to my face.
00:09:34.000 We all know communism has never worked.
00:09:37.000 And they are the second largest economy in the world today.
00:09:42.000 If we give them the benefit of the doubt of the conversion of their currency into ours, but they still have a closed capital account.
00:09:49.000 They have to build a wall to keep their own people in. 1.00
00:09:52.000 They have to rinse the internet of anything that's not Chinese propaganda that's going to their people.
00:09:59.000 You know, China is really a joke to the world, and yet they pretend to be the model for stability and prosperity. 0.96
00:10:07.000 And we're going to see going forward that that's just not the case.
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00:11:12.000 Kyle, what should we do, especially on a state-by-state basis right now, to prevent the incursion of the Chinese Communist Party into our way of life, whether it be buying farmland or hacking into our grid? 0.89
00:11:22.000 You did something in Texas that I think can be scaled across the country.
00:11:27.000 Yeah.
00:11:27.000 You know, and Charlie, it's a great question.
00:11:30.000 And it's important to note that what Texas did with the Lone Star Infrastructure Protection Act that we helped a lot with, what we were trying to do is stop malign actors as kind of defined by the annual threat assessment by the Director of National Intelligence from acquiring, not actually from acquiring, from basically interfacing directly with what we deem to be critical infrastructure.
00:11:57.000 So that is the power grid, the water treatment, the nuclear facilities, the teleco facilities.
00:12:02.000 But what we didn't do, what we were unable to do with that bill, is simply stop outright malign foreign actors from acquiring land, whether it be farmland or land near our critical infrastructure.
00:12:18.000 Imagine if we tried to acquire several hundred acres of land next to China's largest nuclear power plant or next to their largest military base, their largest military training base for their pilots.
00:12:31.000 That will never happen.
00:12:33.000 And yet we in our open society are constantly infiltrated by these actors that create U.S. companies, fund them with U.S. dollars, and buy them with malign intentions.
00:12:48.000 And in this case, there's 200 square miles of Texas was bought just 25, 30 miles from our largest Air Force training base and next to our border.
00:13:01.000 And they've filed applications to build 700-foot-tall windmills.
00:13:06.000 So imagine a Washington monument with blades on it and over-the-top mapping that allows them to map everything over the horizon with precision.
00:13:16.000 So they'll be able to map every single airplane or maybe not airplane that flies by there on our base.
00:13:25.000 And it's all under the auspices of, hey, they can own land just like anyone else.
00:13:30.000 We must have a revamp.
00:13:31.000 Yeah.
00:13:32.000 This is, you said, you said it's states.
00:13:34.000 You know, states could do it, but our federal government needs to revamp Cypius and say foreign ownership of lands near anything strategic or critical is simply off base.
00:13:45.000 It's not going to happen.
00:13:45.000 But Kyle, the reason I said states is we had a senator on this program last week.
00:13:49.000 We had a good conversation.
00:13:51.000 We disagreed, but we had clarity.
00:13:52.000 Senator from North Dakota, Senator Kramer, and he agreed that this was a problem, but I couldn't get him to just say bluntly that the Chinese Communist Party should not be able to own land in America.
00:14:04.000 I just think it should be that simple.
00:14:05.000 Now, that's probably going to be too much for the Washington, D.C. to stomach.
00:14:10.000 That's kind of my starting point.
00:14:11.000 But how about within 100 square miles of, I don't know, Grand Forks Air Force Base, right?
00:14:18.000 I don't even think 100 miles is enough, Charlie.
00:14:20.000 I mean, their technology is going to get better and better and better.
00:14:24.000 Why should we allow them to own anything anywhere near these basic cases?
00:14:28.000 Well, you don't have to define, you know, you and I both spend a lot of time focused on the Chinese Communist Party.
00:14:35.000 But every year, the Director of National Intelligence issues a report.
00:14:39.000 And the report is, you can Google this.
00:14:42.000 It is basically the threats against U.S. national security.
00:14:45.000 And in there, DNI names the malign actors that we're most concerned about.
00:14:51.000 And, you know, it's interesting, even though with Russia's invasion of Ukraine, China is still the number one threat.
00:14:57.000 It's China, Russia, Iran, and North Korea.
00:15:00.000 So you could define it as the malign actors in the DNI threat assessment reports over the last 10 years, right?
00:15:07.000 You could define it that way and really write the bill properly.
00:15:11.000 You don't want to just single out one malign actor.
00:15:14.000 You want to catch them all.
00:15:16.000 And someone's got to sponsor a bill like this and get it through.
00:15:19.000 The problem is the Chinese Communist Party has huge amounts of lobbying money in the U.S. Congress.
00:15:25.000 I mean, that's a separate issue.
00:15:27.000 Why is it our elites are so cowardly on the issue of China?
00:15:32.000 And the easy answer is they're bought and paid for.
00:15:34.000 But there's another one, which is, and I told you this when I saw you privately two weeks ago, they whisper in your ear, well, Charlie, a Chinese future is inevitable. 0.99
00:15:42.000 They're parroting Xi Jinping's talking points because I think they don't have the stomach for confrontation.
00:15:47.000 And you can't have a country that way.
00:15:49.000 You can't.
00:15:50.000 It's true.
00:15:51.000 It's true.
00:15:52.000 You know, what the Chinese do so well is they create, they create, they make billionaires larger billionaires. 0.99
00:15:59.000 They give special access to their markets.
00:16:01.000 Those people become cheerleaders. 0.97
00:16:03.000 They become evangelical about the benefits of doing business with China.
00:16:08.000 But then China doesn't allow anyone else to make money.
00:16:10.000 So it's a brilliant strategy.
00:16:12.000 We've got to wake up to it.
00:16:14.000 Elite capture, I think is what they call it.
00:16:16.000 Kyle Bass, thank you so much for being generous with your time.
00:16:18.000 Enjoy wherever you are because that looks awesome.
00:16:22.000 So thanks so much, Kyle.
00:16:23.000 God bless you.
00:16:24.000 Pleasure to see you.
00:16:24.000 Thank you.
00:16:25.000 Thanks, you too.
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00:17:14.000 With us now is the great senator from the wonderful state of Tennessee, Senator Marsha Blackburn.
00:17:22.000 Senator, welcome back to the program.
00:17:24.000 Good to be with you.
00:17:25.000 Thank you so much.
00:17:27.000 Thank you.
00:17:28.000 I want to talk to you about China in particular.
00:17:30.000 You have been leading on this issue for quite some time now, where it seems as if the current regime, the Biden administration, is putting our country last and China first.
00:17:41.000 There's so much news happening with China almost in real time.
00:17:45.000 Give our listeners an update.
00:17:48.000 You are so accurate when you say there is news happening in real time.
00:17:54.000 And that's what makes it so difficult to keep up with.
00:17:57.000 And Charlie, I think it's also why people are saying, well, really, all of this can't possibly be going on, but it is.
00:18:08.000 And we know of the problems around COVID, the denial that was there, how they cornered the market on PPE for over 50 days while they tried to keep quiet, that they had a pandemic.
00:18:22.000 We know what they have done with producing fentanyl and working with the Mexican cartels and pushing it over the border and into the cartel hubs that are actually on U.S. soil.
00:18:36.000 And that killed over 71,000 Americans last year, in addition to thousands that have become addicted to these synthetic opioids.
00:18:47.000 We know what China is doing to the Uyghurs and how they're using them as slave labor and how American companies are continuing to manufacture in Xinjiang province using this slave labor.
00:19:03.000 We know also that the Chinese Communist Party is active in just about every company that is doing business there in China, and they continue to reverse engineer American products and they continue to steal our intellectual property. 0.85
00:19:23.000 At the same time, when you look at big tech and not only are they manufacturing many of their products there in China, but big tech social media platforms such as TikTok are gathering data on the American public and they're doing it every single day.
00:19:44.000 They're building digital virtual use of our children.
00:19:49.000 Then, Charlie, as we look at our military, and what we term great power competition, we know that the communist Chinese are using their Belt and Road initiative debt diplomacy to bring other countries under their influence and into their sphere. 0.85
00:20:11.000 And China partners with Russia, Iran, and North Korea in creating what I call the new axis of the evil. 0.96
00:20:20.000 That's exactly.
00:20:21.000 And they're kind of the leaders of that.
00:20:23.000 And of course, we see what they're doing in the Horn of Africa.
00:20:27.000 We see what they're doing in South America.
00:20:29.000 We have watched in real time what they're doing in Afghanistan as they're going in and pulling all the rare earth minerals and lithium that we charted and mapped using that and flying all of that out of Bagram airfield every day and into China,
00:20:50.000 where they're using it for component parts, for telecommunications, for different electronics and for electric vehicle batteries.
00:21:01.000 And that's just part of it, not to mention they're buying farmland here.
00:21:07.000 So part of what I want to ask you about, Senator, is this theme of how they're able to do what they do domestically here, which is the great frustration, irritation.
00:21:17.000 The TikTok thing is super important.
00:21:19.000 I think we should have banned TikTok a long time ago.
00:21:21.000 I also think it's increasing depression, anxiety, and other issues in our nation's young people, something that I could speak to personally and also, you know, based on the scientific data.
00:21:32.000 But Senator, you're such a clear voice on this.
00:21:36.000 Few are.
00:21:36.000 I mean, we've had other senators that kind of tip dance as a tiptoe around this and tap dance around, I'll be honest.
00:21:42.000 Why is it that we kind of all know what's happening, but it's hard to build consensus to do something about it?
00:21:48.000 I mean, you listed off all these things, fentanyl and TikTok and farmland.
00:21:52.000 Why is it that there is this gap between the understanding of the problem and actually getting something done about it?
00:21:59.000 And Charlie, I think that many times people think, well, it can't really be that bad.
00:22:05.000 And when I started over a decade ago working on this issue of holding China to account for the piracy that they were conducting, for the way they tried to work here in our country outside of the same rules that we hold our companies to. 0.92
00:22:26.000 People just thought, well, it can't really be that bad.
00:22:29.000 You know, we've sent all of this manufacturing over there.
00:22:33.000 Well, fine, let's bring it back and let's put it in place here.
00:22:38.000 But you mentioned something that is so very important.
00:22:41.000 You look at how the Communist Chinese Party is buying property in the U.S.
00:22:49.000 They like to buy property and farmland that is in proximity to our military bases.
00:22:56.000 They like to buy big buildings in big cities, like they did with the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York City.
00:23:07.000 We see them being aggressive there.
00:23:10.000 We also see them being very aggressive on college campuses.
00:23:16.000 Now, as you know, and Turning Point has been so good on these issues, what you see with the Chinese on college campuses is their push to do Confucius Institutes.
00:23:30.000 And many colleges have now ended those institutes, but the communist Chinese continue to try to get their researchers and professors, many of whom are spies. onto these campuses. 0.93
00:23:46.000 But we have to realize and be clear-minded about this because the communist Chinese look at this as a 100-year marathon.
00:23:57.000 And they look at this as these are the steps we need to take in order to be globally dominant by 2050.
00:24:07.000 They want to be the only superpower on the face of the earth.
00:24:12.000 So what are they trying to do?
00:24:14.000 Sister city programs, Confucius classrooms in high schools, Confucius Institutes on college campuses, getting in there, getting people to like them, to say, oh, you know, Chinese people, we like them and we all do.
00:24:30.000 We have to realize this is not the Chinese people. 1.00
00:24:34.000 This is the Chinese Communist Party.
00:24:36.000 That's exactly right.
00:24:37.000 The Chinese Communist Party is every day carrying out atrocious acts against the Chinese people.
00:24:47.000 And that nuance is important.
00:24:48.000 It's like saying Mexican people in the cartel, right? 0.86
00:24:50.000 It's two totally different things.
00:24:51.000 Now, the cartel controls a lot of Mexican villages and governments.
00:24:57.000 The CCP controls the entire country.
00:25:00.000 And so I guess I'm just super frustrated, Senator, because we see what's happening.
00:25:04.000 We see the damage that's being done to our own citizens.
00:25:06.000 And there is just kind of this bureaucratic process where we just can't seem to get what is done necessary.
00:25:14.000 Donald Trump got stuff done, thankfully, just through executive orders and decisions.
00:25:19.000 I mean, is it fair to say that the reason that this regime isn't doing anything, Joe Biden is just, he's just completely captured by China?
00:25:26.000 I mean, we know the financial ties to some extent.
00:25:29.000 I mean, this is, there's some very serious words that we could use to describe this.
00:25:34.000 I'm not going to say that.
00:25:34.000 I'll let our audience infer it.
00:25:36.000 But if you're not acting against an enemy where they're buying up farmland and buying up reconnaissance technology and dumping fentanyl and manufacturing because you're purchased or they have blackmail on you, then what exactly, how are we supposed to think about that?
00:25:49.000 And think about it like this.
00:25:51.000 You take some of us that are in the Senate.
00:25:55.000 I've been banned by China.
00:25:58.000 I've been sanctioned by China.
00:26:00.000 I can't go to China.
00:26:02.000 And then I find out that they are carrying out a malign influence campaign against me because they don't like that I think they should be held to account.
00:26:15.000 We should, in sanctioning the Chinese Communist Party and some of these Chinese businessmen who are Chinese Communist Party leadership, we should prohibit them from buying buildings and farmland here in this country. 0.96
00:26:32.000 Chinese-based companies should have to abide by the same rules that U.S. companies abide by if they're going to be publicly traded in the United States.
00:26:46.000 And what we need this administration to do is to admit that the Chinese Communist Party is our adversary. 0.88
00:26:56.000 They are not our friend and they do not wish us well.
00:27:00.000 And Donald Trump, as you said, was very successful in holding them to account and in making certain that they came to the table on trade deals.
00:27:12.000 And what we find out now with this Biden administration, when it comes to ag products with our farmers in Tennessee, China is not buying what they promised to buy.
00:27:24.000 They are not fulfilling their obligation because Joe Biden is not going to make them fulfill their obligation.
00:27:32.000 Yeah, and you brought up such an important point, which is, look, we have some people that are speaking out against it, you being one of them. 0.96
00:27:41.000 The Chinese Communist Party, they're a bunch of snakes. 0.99
00:27:43.000 They're deceitful. 0.99
00:27:44.000 And this is what drives me nuts, Senator, is when I hear people in the Biden administration, even some Republicans are like, well, China's a rival or China's a competitor.
00:27:53.000 No, they're not a competitor.
00:27:54.000 It's not a rival, an enemy, or an adversary.
00:27:57.000 Choose one of those words, okay?
00:27:58.000 I mean, rivals don't dump fentanyl into rival countries, okay?
00:28:02.000 They don't hack cyber grids.
00:28:04.000 They don't deploy mind control technology such as TikTok.
00:28:08.000 And by the way, you look at Chinese TikTok versus American TikTok.
00:28:12.000 It's totally different.
00:28:13.000 So they're teaching their children about art and poetry.
00:28:16.000 Tucker had a great segment on this last evening, where our TikTok is kind of a steaming pile of garbage, as if you wanted to destroy the hearts and minds of an entire youthful population.
00:28:29.000 Senator, you voted no for the $40 billion of aid to Ukraine, of which I want to thank you for that.
00:28:34.000 I got very fired up about that story where we can't build a border wall.
00:28:37.000 We don't know where this money's going.
00:28:39.000 And it turns out that that $40 billion has really not been traced to specific armament deals.
00:28:45.000 It's unclear.
00:28:46.000 So just explain that vote and kind of how should we think about what's happening in Russia and Ukraine, all the while there's all this drama with our greatest enemy happening in the Far East.
00:28:58.000 Yes.
00:28:59.000 And when you look at what is happening in Ukraine, we're all supportive of the Ukrainian people and making certain that they have what they need to defend themselves.
00:29:12.000 And last fall, I wrote the White House and pointed out that Putin was beginning to assemble troops and armaments and equipment on the border.
00:29:24.000 And just as in 2008, when he went into Georgia and 2014, he went into Crimea, he did it in the Olympics during that period of time.
00:29:36.000 And then we find out that Putin has gone over and had a personal meeting with Xi Jinping.
00:29:43.000 And we know that they are partnering up through this Axis abievil. 0.98
00:29:48.000 So my recommendation to the White House was take this seriously.
00:29:54.000 Look at what he's done in the past, what he's planning to do in the future.
00:29:58.000 Look at who these alliances are with and between.
00:30:02.000 And then go ahead and put some sanctions on the oligarchs and on Putin, his family, and on the country.
00:30:12.000 Be sure that you keep the sanctions on Nord Stream 2.
00:30:16.000 And if they go in, go after Nord Stream 1.
00:30:20.000 And then to begin sales of arms, sales, very important, of arms and equipment to the Ukrainian people so that they would be able to be prepared.
00:30:33.000 And Charlie, I have been with our troops in Ukraine and in Poland prior to all of this.
00:30:41.000 Now, the administration chose to wait and not to do anything until Putin made a move.
00:30:49.000 But this just shows you the difference between strength and weakness.
00:30:54.000 So after the fact, they get start saying we have to get things into Ukraine, but then it's more difficult with your supply lines to get it where it needs to go.
00:31:06.000 So we hesitated.
00:31:08.000 That caused Biden and the U.S. to look weak.
00:31:11.000 We know that already there is a slow process of getting this equipment to the Ukrainian army and the humanitarian aid into the country.
00:31:25.000 And with the $40 billion, we said, okay, tell us exactly what goes into equipment and goes into this.
00:31:35.000 And what is humanitarian aid?
00:31:37.000 And we couldn't get that transparency.
00:31:39.000 Yeah, we don't get an answer.
00:31:40.000 It's just like, oh, yeah, $40 billion.
00:31:41.000 That's an extraordinary amount of money, as you know, Senator.
00:31:43.000 I mean, we've sent more than the GDP of North Dakota over there.
00:31:47.000 And so, look, I understand the heart for the Ukrainian people.
00:31:51.000 I sympathize with that, obviously, but we have so many problems here that it just seems like our own leaders are stumbling over.
00:31:57.000 In closing here, Senator, what races are you looking at to involve yourself in?
00:32:01.000 Do you feel as if we're on track to win back the Senate this November?
00:32:07.000 I think we're going to see the House and the Senate.
00:32:10.000 And as my friend Tim Scott says, this isn't a red wave.
00:32:14.000 This is a tsunami.
00:32:16.000 And people are tired of being broke.
00:32:20.000 They are fearful of what is happening with the economy, with the southern border.
00:32:25.000 They don't like the crime uptick, the drugs that are on our streets.
00:32:30.000 They want to see adults back in charge of this government.
00:32:35.000 And they want the federal government to do what they're supposed to do to protect the people, provide for the common defense, and defend our freedom and liberty.
00:32:45.000 That's well said.
00:32:46.000 Senator Blackburn, thank you for your leadership, especially on China.
00:32:49.000 And look, there's only 11 Republicans that voted against that massive aid package to Ukraine.
00:32:54.000 I think that was a litmus test.
00:32:55.000 And so thank you for that, truly.
00:32:57.000 Thank you, Senator, for being generous to your time.
00:32:59.000 Thank you.
00:33:02.000 Thank you so much for listening, everybody.
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00:33:06.000 Thanks so much for listening.
00:33:08.000 God bless.
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