The Charlie Kirk Show - "Is the Nuclear Family Is Bad" And Other Odd Campus Questions

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00:01:18.000 First of all, I can't hear anything you're saying, okay?

00:01:20.000 I don't think anybody can.

00:01:21.000 And I just want to ask, do you feel proud of yourself for debating college kids who are unprepared to speak in front of an audience like yourself?

00:01:33.000 Hold on, hold on, hold on.

00:01:35.000 You're 30 years old.

00:01:36.000 We can agree you're 30 years old, right? 0.97

00:01:40.000 Do you think that's a little bit silly? 0.96

00:01:42.000 Are you a voter? 0.89

00:01:43.000 I am a voter.

00:01:44.000 Oh, so I vote and you vote.

00:01:45.000 So I'm talking to voters of this country that will determine the future of Western civilization.

00:01:50.000 That's what I'm doing here today.

00:01:52.000 Yeah?

00:01:53.000 Wait, hold on.

00:01:54.000 How is it any different than a professor talking to you?

00:01:56.000 Than a professor talking to you?

00:01:58.000 Who are you?

00:01:59.000 Well, important enough for you to come up to a microphone.

00:02:03.000 Yes.

00:02:04.000 Actually, when I first saw this ad, I thought it was like an improv comedy thing. 0.78

00:02:09.000 It looked so ridiculous that I didn't even think it was real. 0.72

00:02:13.000 Well, no, you could see. 0.97

00:02:14.000 Look how popular Trump is on your campus.

00:02:16.000 How does that make you feel?

00:02:20.000 That's not comedy.

00:02:21.000 That is a five-alarm fire for Kamala Harris, because she's probably going to lose Pennsylvania. 1.00

00:02:25.000 Look...

00:02:26.000 I just want to be clear.

00:02:27.000 Is there something wrong with talking to voters?

00:02:30.000 No, there's nothing wrong with talking about us.

00:02:31.000 Well, that's what we're doing here today.

00:02:32.000 It's an open mic.

00:02:33.000 I think that you push a dangerous agenda.

00:02:35.000 Such as?

00:02:37.000 Your stance on abortion rights, for example.

00:02:41.000 There we go.

00:02:42.000 Okay, so let me ask a question.

00:02:45.000 What is your name?

00:02:46.000 Jean.

00:02:47.000 Jean.

00:02:47.000 And what is your understanding of the current Republican Party's stance on federal intervention and abortion?

00:02:55.000 Well, I know that they want to bring it back to the states, right?

00:02:57.000 So it sounds like you do know that the Republican Party's current stance on abortion is they're against a federal ban on abortion.

00:03:04.000 I do understand that, yes.

00:03:05.000 And we're talking about a presidential election as the important election that we're talking about here.

00:03:08.000 I understand that, yes.

00:03:09.000 Great.

00:03:10.000 Again, I think this open dialogue is great.

00:03:12.000 I think it's great you're here challenging Charlie, and I think it's great that he's willing to travel campuses across this country to talk to the next generation.

00:03:19.000 We need more conversation.

00:03:21.000 Now, where's the disagreement, though, on content?

00:03:22.000 Because you could criticize style or why you're talking to people or dunk on someone personally, but where do you actually disagree with the substance?

00:03:28.000 I agree with the way that you edit content and specifically frame it so that people look bad talking to you.

00:03:36.000 You...

00:03:38.000 The way that you edit your content...

00:03:40.000 We post unedited content.

00:03:43.000 Let me just ask you one thing, though, because personal insults can fly in all directions.

00:03:49.000 Where is an area where you have a disagreement with the conservative movement, with Donald Trump, with Charlie, perhaps with myself?

00:03:56.000 I was a presidential candidate last year.

00:03:58.000 I think we need to talk about that more in the open, and the more we do, the stronger our country is going to be.

00:04:02.000 We've got a long line of people, but I want to hear from you.

00:04:04.000 One substantive area where you have an authentic disagreement, and I'd be glad to address it.

00:04:09.000 I'm sure Charlie would, too.

00:04:10.000 Just in any political...

00:04:13.000 Relating to any political topic where you have a disagreement, let's air it.

00:04:17.000 Okay.

00:04:19.000 I disagree with some of the laws that are being pushed that are against the LGBTQ community and the trans community.

00:04:33.000 Okay, so let's talk about that.

00:04:35.000 I'm going to give you my view and then I want to hear yours.

00:04:37.000 Okay.

00:04:38.000 My view is that if you're a fully grown adult, 18 or above, you're free to live how you want, dress how you want, marry who you want, if you want, if you're over the age of 18. I agree.

00:04:50.000 But you are not free to indoctrinate children in schools who are not yet of the age of consent.

00:04:55.000 You are not free, just as a 17-year-old or a 15-year-old can't get a tattoo on their own, I don't think that you should undergo genital mutilation or chemical castration until the age of 18. And so the lines that I draw here is that men are free to claim to be women and swim in swimming pools.

00:05:13.000 You're not free to claim trophies in a women's sports competition. 1.00

00:05:17.000 You're not free to enter a women's locker room. 1.00

00:05:19.000 You're not free to change a language.

00:05:20.000 And you're not free to actually indoctrinate our children who are under the age of five in schools.

00:05:25.000 Do we agree on the fact that adults should be able to live freely while still treating children differently?

00:05:29.000 If so, we're on the same side of this issue.

00:05:32.000 Listen, I agree with the majority of what you said.

00:05:36.000 However, I don't think that you're understanding the implications of the laws that are trying to be passed.

00:05:46.000 Look, We got a head start in the conversation.

00:05:49.000 We got a long line behind you.

00:05:50.000 But my only ask is, forget the personal attacks or the stylistic attacks.

00:05:55.000 Focus on substance.

00:05:56.000 The more we debate that, the stronger we're going to be as a country.

00:05:58.000 Thank you for coming.

00:05:59.000 Thank you.

00:05:59.000 I don't think you're focusing on substance, though.

00:06:02.000 That's the issue.

00:06:03.000 Hold on.

00:06:05.000 He intentionally tried to provoke substance out of you, and you said, well, I'm worried about some laws Congress should pass.

00:06:13.000 I have to ask, what laws are you talking about?

00:06:16.000 Can you be specific?

00:06:18.000 I'm sorry.

00:06:18.000 I'm very nervous.

00:06:19.000 But this is what you do.

00:06:21.000 This is what you do.

00:06:21.000 You take people and you put them under the spotlight and you...

00:06:25.000 Well, hold on.

00:06:25.000 I didn't ask you to come up here.

00:06:28.000 You voluntarily came to the front of the line.

00:06:31.000 You didn't have to do that.

00:06:32.000 You're purposely antagonizing people on campus.

00:06:35.000 Asking people to come up by spreading your weird agenda.

00:06:38.000 How?

00:06:40.000 What agenda is that?

00:06:41.000 I'm confused, though.

00:06:42.000 So, Charlie, I'll say this.

00:06:45.000 We'll end on this and we'll go to the next question.

00:06:48.000 When I was 18, and I'm not going to blame you for this, I also took for granted a lot of the stuff that the media force fed me, because that's what you know at the age of 18. You say there are some vague laws making their way through Congress that are hostile to trans communities.

00:06:59.000 I don't think those laws actually exist, but I don't blame you if that's what the cable media is feeding you.

00:07:05.000 But let's get to the specifics, and then we're able to actually have an open dialogue, and that's one of the things I've learned over the last 20 years.

00:07:11.000 I think that the issue is we're getting our media from different sources.

00:07:14.000 Both people are getting media from these skewed sources.

00:07:19.000 The facts that you're presenting are not always correct.

00:07:22.000 And that's why we're here with no TV screens between us.

00:07:25.000 So people who have policy-based substantive disagreements, we invite those.

00:07:29.000 I think that's how we're going to get our country back.

00:07:30.000 And as it relates to trans, which you brought up, 18 or above, you're free to live how you want.

00:07:35.000 You're not free to force that onto somebody else or especially kids.

00:07:37.000 And if we agree on that, we make some progress.

00:07:39.000 Thank you.

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00:08:43.000 Hi.

00:08:44.000 So I've got a question for Vivek.

00:08:45.000 And first of all, I want to clarify that I'm not disagreeing.

00:08:50.000 I'm not agreeing with your argument.

00:08:52.000 I just want to understand it because I know one of your most recent claims in your book, Truths, I know one of your claims is the climate change agenda is a hoax.

00:09:03.000 And I know that you differentiate between climate change politically and climate change in reality outside of politics.

00:09:11.000 But what's your argument for that statement?

00:09:13.000 And again, I'm not disagreeing.

00:09:14.000 I just want to understand.

00:09:15.000 Even if you did disagree, I'm cool with that.

00:09:17.000 But thank you for asking a very respectful and clear question.

00:09:21.000 So I stand by what I said last year.

00:09:23.000 The climate change agenda is a hoax.

00:09:25.000 Here's why.

00:09:26.000 Are global surface temperatures going up by a little bit?

00:09:29.000 They are.

00:09:31.000 Is there any evidence to suggest that that small increase in global surface temperatures is an existential risk to humanity?

00:09:38.000 No.

00:09:39.000 And in fact, and here's the controversial but factual part, is there evidence to suggest that could even have positive effects for humanity?

00:09:47.000 Turns out there is.

00:09:49.000 So eight times as many people today die of cold temperatures rather than warm ones.

00:09:54.000 Think about that.

00:09:55.000 We're worried about a small increase in global surface temperatures when more people die of cold temperatures.

00:09:59.000 The Earth is more covered by green surface area today than it was a century ago because carbon dioxide is plant food and they tend to grow in slightly warmer temperatures, which means the greatest carbon sink, what removes carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, is actually trees, the very thing that carbon dioxide helps create more of.

00:10:18.000 Now you go back to actually the 1970s.

00:10:20.000 There were climate scientists in the 1970s.

00:10:22.000 The climate change movement called on us to stop burning fossil fuels in the 70s because they wanted to avoid an ice age.

00:10:30.000 Think about that.

00:10:31.000 Now it's global warming.

00:10:32.000 More people have died of ice ages in the history of humanity than have actually died of warming.

00:10:37.000 And get this, the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is at an almost all-time low in the history of the Earth.

00:10:45.000 Just a question for you, and I don't blame you if you don't know the answer because most people don't.

00:10:49.000 What percentage of the atmosphere do you believe is constituted by carbon dioxide versus nitrogen or oxygen?

00:10:57.000 I would say less than about a 20%, 30% roughly.

00:11:02.000 So I'll tell you what the numbers are roughly.

00:11:03.000 It's about 75% nitrogen, about 20% oxygen.

00:11:06.000 You got about 1% xenon.

00:11:08.000 0.04% is the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

00:11:13.000 And it used to be higher back when we had global ice ages.

00:11:17.000 So the idea that this is actually causing global warming, let alone the idea that even global warming is necessarily a bad thing for humanity, is entirely unproven.

00:11:25.000 So against that backdrop, changing our way of life, stop using combustion engine vehicles or our gas stoves, stop denying energy abundance to Americans and people around the world, No, I'm against that agenda, and I think it is the single greatest threat to economic prosperity in this country, and that's why I'm not going to stop fighting on this battle to overcome what I do believe is this mythology, this religion, this cult that has very little to do with science in the name of science.

00:11:51.000 Thank you.

00:11:52.000 My name is Jaden and I am a freshman here.

00:11:55.000 I am a first-year voter.

00:11:58.000 I'm speaking on behalf of most of the...

00:12:02.000 There's a lot of Israeli people on campus.

00:12:05.000 I'm very pro-Israel.

00:12:06.000 I just want to know your thoughts on Israel and all that because I've been out with friends.

00:12:13.000 I've been hate-crimed on for just being Jewish.

00:12:16.000 I just want to know your views on that.

00:12:19.000 I can start Vivek and then you can go.

00:12:22.000 I'm very pro-Israel.

00:12:23.000 I don't know if you know that.

00:12:25.000 And Donald Trump was the most pro-Israel president in American history.

00:12:28.000 Moved the embassy to Jerusalem, recognized Golan Heights, pieced the Middle East to the Abraham Accords. 0.51

00:12:34.000 Understand the Democrat Party.

00:12:36.000 There is no place for Jews in the Democrat Party. 1.00

00:12:37.000 And the evidence is this, is that Kamala Harris would have been much better served of putting the governor of this state... 0.79

00:12:45.000 That's obvious, right?

00:12:46.000 And so the governor of Pennsylvania was a much better, much better candidate than Tim Walz.

00:12:52.000 The only reason he was not selected is because he's Jewish.

00:12:56.000 And Harris Shapiro would have been far more competitive than what we see right now.

00:13:01.000 And so I hope as you're a first-time voter and you're looking at who to vote for, you look at a candidate that aligns with your values, stands with our ally in the Middle East, which is President Donald Trump.

00:13:10.000 I'll add one more statement to that.

00:13:12.000 The reason I agree with the things Charlie said is actually because I'm pro-America, actually.

00:13:16.000 Yes.

00:13:16.000 And so I'm not Jewish.

00:13:19.000 And I think that people who are Jewish have an inherent understanding of the importance of Israel outside of politics.

00:13:24.000 But in an American context, the reason everything Charlie said is true is because it's in our own best interest as the United States to ensure that we're able to provide appropriate balance to look after our own interests.

00:13:35.000 Here's one thing I would say, though, is that I actually stand for...

00:13:39.000 Here's the distinction I'll draw.

00:13:41.000 On campus, I don't think anybody should harass you, should stop you from getting into a classroom.

00:13:45.000 But if somebody over there, and for all I know, they're all there right now, stands to...

00:13:50.000 Burn an American flag and chants death to America or death to Israel. 0.99

00:13:53.000 I'm dead set against that and it's disgusting. 0.99

00:13:56.000 But I still believe they have the right to say it.

00:13:58.000 So I'm going to be consistent about that.

00:14:00.000 You have free speech for any opinion in this country, but you're not free to actually be violent or obstruct somebody else.

00:14:05.000 And that's also something I want to say because that part of what makes America great too the first time around.

00:14:09.000 Thank you.

00:14:10.000 Thank you.

00:14:10.000 So which way are you tilted in the election?

00:14:14.000 Probably Trump, yeah.

00:14:15.000 You want a hat?

00:14:16.000 I already have a hat.

00:14:17.000 But one more question.

00:14:19.000 What's going to be done about just more of the hate crimes just done against the Jewish people?

00:14:25.000 Because I feel like I've seen a lot of that.

00:14:27.000 Well, I think I'll just tie this to a question from a woman who appeared to be maybe more left-leaning before, where I agree with her, too.

00:14:32.000 We need to fight all crime in this country, period, by restoring law and order and allow police to actually do their jobs, especially at the local level.

00:14:39.000 So what's happening in the country right now is the federal police state is overreaching and prosecuting crimes that aren't actually crimes, making up the law as they go along and going after their political opponents, while at the same time local police are actually unable to even do their job to keep people safe in their communities.

00:14:55.000 We need to flip that around.

00:14:56.000 Thank you, guys.

00:14:56.000 Thank you.

00:14:57.000 A disagreement's most welcome.

00:14:59.000 Yes.

00:15:00.000 I like that.

00:15:00.000 It's a very interesting sign.

00:15:02.000 It says right in Biden.

00:15:04.000 I'm intrigued.

00:15:05.000 I'm intrigued.

00:15:08.000 We'll bring him up in a little bit.

00:15:10.000 How are you doing?

00:15:11.000 My name's Kunj.

00:15:12.000 I'm a first-year voter as well this year.

00:15:15.000 I'm an independent.

00:15:16.000 I'm not left or right yet, but I'm just wondering where are your underlying values at as to why you became a Republican?

00:15:23.000 What are the morals behind it?

00:15:26.000 Yeah, I mean, I'm probably not a great example to ask because I'm not a politician by background.

00:15:31.000 I'm a businessman.

00:15:31.000 I ran for U.S. president last year as a Republican.

00:15:34.000 But I said this countless times, and it might have annoyed some people in the party.

00:15:37.000 I wasn't running as a Republican.

00:15:38.000 I'm running as an American.

00:15:39.000 And that's actually what I care about are our pro-American values.

00:15:43.000 Where do I derive my values as a political leader in the country?

00:15:46.000 It starts with the Declaration of Independence and the U.S. Constitution.

00:15:49.000 I believe the people we elect to run the government, even if they're the ones I disagree with, the people we elect to run the government should be the ones who run the government, not the unelected bureaucrats who put up puppets as their U.S. president.

00:16:00.000 I'm pointing to Biden.

00:16:01.000 He's not even running the country right now.

00:16:03.000 We call him the U.S. President.

00:16:05.000 He's not the functioning U.S. President.

00:16:06.000 That's not a democracy.

00:16:08.000 I believe in merit, that the best person should get the job.

00:16:11.000 Free speech, open debate.

00:16:13.000 And so all I'd say is, if you want to call yourself an independent, that's a pretty good thing to be.

00:16:16.000 Hard to argue with being independent-minded.

00:16:19.000 But stand for the values enshrined in our Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

00:16:22.000 And if there's a point in the future 50 years from now where the Republican Party abandons that, then I'm not a Republican anymore.

00:16:27.000 I'm sorry.

00:16:28.000 The Republican Party actually was the party that stood against slavery back when Abraham Lincoln was president, and it's a party that stands against enslavement today.

00:16:35.000 But if that ever changes in the future, then I'm out of the Republican Party.

00:16:38.000 I'm into the pro-American movement.

00:16:40.000 And the reason I vote and stand for election as a Republican is because right now that is the pro-American party in America.

00:16:45.000 Yeah, and I'm a conservative and vote Republican because I think the founders got it right.

00:16:50.000 I think the founders understood human nature.

00:16:52.000 I think that they understood the form of government and they understood that people are best served when liberty is recognized as given by a divine.

00:17:02.000 A divine source, not as a government source.

00:17:05.000 That decentralized power is best.

00:17:07.000 That three branches of checks and balances and consents of the governed is the correct way of governing a country.

00:17:13.000 The conservative movement understands and appreciates our roots going back to 1776 and trying to ask the question, are we leaning into the founders' vision in this country?

00:17:26.000 And so those are the values that I hinge upon.

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00:18:32.000 I'm Julia.

00:18:33.000 I'm also a first-time voter.

00:18:35.000 I just have a simple yes or no question.

00:18:39.000 If the only way to ban abortion forever would be to bring back slavery, would you do it? 0.64

00:18:46.000 No.

00:18:47.000 No?

00:18:48.000 No.

00:18:49.000 I wouldn't bring back slavery to try to limit murder.

00:18:52.000 No.

00:18:53.000 Okay.

00:18:54.000 What kind of outrageous question is that, by the way?

00:18:56.000 I'm just curious.

00:18:57.000 Just yes or no.

00:18:58.000 Can I ask you a question, then?

00:19:01.000 Uh, sure.

00:19:02.000 If the only way to limit human suffering is to ban abortion, would you ban abortion?

00:19:08.000 Say that again. 0.71

00:19:09.000 Ask that again.

00:19:10.000 If the only way to limit human suffering is to ban abortion, would you ban abortion?

00:19:15.000 No.

00:19:19.000 It was an honest answer, okay?

00:19:20.000 It was an honest answer.

00:19:21.000 Yeah, I just know.

00:19:22.000 We probably disagree with you pretty deeply on that, but thank you.

00:19:25.000 When does life begin in your estimation?

00:19:30.000 I just wanted to ask a yes or no.

00:19:32.000 That's it.

00:19:32.000 No, sure, but when does life begin?

00:19:34.000 That's all I wanted to ask, is a yes or no.

00:19:37.000 Okay, I can tell you've thought deeply about this topic.

00:19:39.000 Okay, thank you.

00:19:40.000 Great.

00:19:41.000 Yep, next question.

00:19:44.000 Yep, you can work your way up, guys.

00:19:46.000 Can you do me a favor?

00:19:47.000 If you're a supporter, make room for the disagreements, please, okay?

00:19:50.000 Thank you.

00:19:51.000 Hello, Mr. Kirk and...

00:19:54.000 Ramaswamy, right?

00:19:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:56.000 So I wrote the pronunciation right there.

00:19:58.000 I appreciate that.

00:19:58.000 Thank you.

00:19:59.000 Yeah.

00:19:59.000 So I'm a sort of, I'll just, I just want to preface by saying I'm not a conservative.

00:20:04.000 I'm a pretty committed left wing.

00:20:05.000 Oh, sorry.

00:20:06.000 I always have a problem with microphones.

00:20:09.000 I just want to preface.

00:20:10.000 I'm not conservative.

00:20:11.000 I'm a pretty committed leftist Catholic.

00:20:13.000 But I am curious, like, what do you, or I guess conservatives generally, like, stand to conserve whenever you shift left every single time the Overton window shifts?

00:20:22.000 Like, on certain, like, topics, like, I guess, Like, integration, LGBTQ plus rights movement, immigration as well.

00:20:30.000 Like, it seems like, I guess, ideological state apparatuses have...

00:20:35.000 Like, obviously, we think slavery is wrong, right?

00:20:37.000 You know, like, that's clearly wrong.

00:20:39.000 But it's also 150 years of state-sponsored education creating that sort of thing, in the same way that we have, I guess, 50 years of integration being promoted and things like that, which I'm not against at all, right?

00:20:49.000 I think these are very good things, but it seems like things that previously were tried to conserve or conservative movements in the past have always failed to actually conserve specific social issues like that.

00:21:00.000 Did you say you were a leftist Catholic?

00:21:02.000 Leftist Catholic, yeah.

00:21:03.000 That's amazing.

00:21:04.000 Social conservative, fiscal liberal.

00:21:06.000 Okay, that's fair.

00:21:07.000 I wouldn't say that's a leftist Catholic, though.

00:21:09.000 You're something else, then.

00:21:11.000 Yeah, like sort of an American Solidarity Party kind of.

00:21:15.000 Okay, yeah, but not like liberation theology.

00:21:17.000 I can get down with it a little bit, but not terribly so, yeah.

00:21:21.000 Like Oscar Romero is a saint, I would say.

00:21:22.000 So, what you're trying to pinpoint is a little bit of a logical fallacy, is you're saying that, okay, that slavery is bad, segregation is bad, but there's other things that are worthy of conserving, like the family.

00:21:37.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:21:38.000 And that's where our emphasis is on, correct?

00:21:41.000 Kind of, but you guys are just going...

00:21:42.000 Like, I think the nuclear family has sort of been the death of America in a lot of ways. 0.93

00:21:45.000 Like, we need multi-generational households.

00:21:47.000 Like, my mother didn't grow up in a nuclear family. 1.00

00:21:49.000 She lived with her grandfather and stuff like that.

00:21:51.000 I feel like the 1950s, these sort of single-family households are...

00:21:55.000 Very destructive for the United States in the way that we sort of perceive things.

00:21:58.000 Like you just send older people to... 1.00

00:21:59.000 That's a smart point, but I think Vivek can...

00:22:01.000 Yeah, so I think that, first of all, let's look at it in a political context outside of the religious context.

00:22:07.000 And I'd love to come back to the religious context after that.

00:22:09.000 Yeah.

00:22:10.000 So from a political context, you're eight times more likely to graduate from high school.

00:22:14.000 You're ten times more likely to end up in prison if you grew up in a single-parent household rather than a dual-parent household.

00:22:20.000 You're more likely to end up in poverty if you grew up in a single-parent household.

00:22:24.000 So I actually believe the nuclear family has been the single greatest building block of not only the United States of America, This is actually true for societies across time, even dating back to Aristotle, believing that the polity was built only around a strong household unit.

00:22:39.000 And it's very personal to me.

00:22:41.000 I mean, people often use the word privilege, okay?

00:22:45.000 Well, I mean, I actually didn't grow up in wealth.

00:22:47.000 I grew up with the ultimate privilege of two parents in the house, instilling in us belief in the family and belief with a faith in God.

00:22:53.000 And so I think that that is inherently good just economically.

00:22:56.000 If you're talking about economical and social outcomes, it's better.

00:22:58.000 I agree.

00:23:00.000 Multigenerational is actually probably more ideal than nuclear, but you can agree nuclear better than single things.

00:23:04.000 I don't view nuclear as incompatible.

00:23:07.000 We've had grandparents in the house growing up.

00:23:09.000 It's a stage of degradation, I would say.

00:23:13.000 That's probably fair, but I think multi-generational is a really beautiful thing.

00:23:17.000 I concede that point.

00:23:21.000 Totally.

00:23:21.000 And so, what's the disagreement?

00:23:23.000 Nuclear embedded in multigenerational?

00:23:25.000 Well, I guess my original question was like, because also, since you also agree that the nuclear family is a degradation for the multigenerational, at least in some ways, yeah, obviously.

00:23:34.000 But like, what have conservatives conserved on social issues?

00:23:38.000 Like, I mean, 20, 30 years ago, a presidential candidate couldn't have said gay marriage was okay.

00:23:43.000 Oh, yeah, okay.

00:23:43.000 Not financially disagree with, like, legalizing gay marriage.

00:23:46.000 Well, that's a good question.

00:23:48.000 We repealed Roe vs. 0.98

00:23:50.000 Wade.

00:23:50.000 That's a big deal.

00:23:51.000 It was kind of a dead letter, though.

00:23:53.000 I mean, like, there's certain...

00:23:54.000 Like, Casey and stuff, like, the Roe thing was about viability, and then it went up to 15 weeks or something, and then there's other...

00:23:59.000 Well, Casey v. 0.97

00:24:00.000 Planned Parenthood was in 1992, and we lost that case, 5-4, because of Anthony Kennedy's decision.

00:24:06.000 No, but the case law and stuff like that really does...

00:24:09.000 No, I know, but what if conservatives conserved?

00:24:11.000 Yeah.

00:24:11.000 Not enough.

00:24:13.000 Not enough.

00:24:13.000 But we did repeal Roe vs.

00:24:15.000 Wade.

00:24:15.000 Gun rights are more abundant than we've ever seen in this country, which I think is a very, very good thing.

00:24:20.000 Second Amendment protections.

00:24:21.000 Ronald Reagan banned machine guns now.

00:24:24.000 Okay, you're right.

00:24:25.000 We can nitpick certain individuals.

00:24:27.000 I mean, Trump banned bump stocks.

00:24:28.000 If your contention is that the conservative movement has not been good enough at slowing down the left-wing machine, you're totally right.

00:24:37.000 Yeah.

00:24:37.000 I don't disagree.

00:24:38.000 I think the goal shouldn't be slowing down, though.

00:24:40.000 Because, like I said, I think my issue with you is that you always go left with the Overton window shift.

00:24:44.000 Do we?

00:24:44.000 It seems like it, yeah.

00:24:45.000 Did you hear my discussion on abortion earlier?

00:24:48.000 Or on trans stuff?

00:24:50.000 Or...

00:24:52.000 I don't agree with you on abortion.

00:24:53.000 I mean, like, I'm anti-Griswell v.

00:24:55.000 Connecticut or whatever.

00:24:56.000 Connecticut v. 0.99

00:24:57.000 Griswell.

00:24:57.000 I think that was, like, even worse than Roe v.

00:24:59.000 Wade in terms of Supreme Court decisions.

00:25:00.000 I mean, because there you also get to the right direction.

00:25:02.000 I like this guy's philosophical.

00:25:04.000 I'll tell you one thing where...

00:25:05.000 I don't know.

00:25:06.000 Charlie and I haven't talked about this, but I'll tell you where I am.

00:25:08.000 I actually gave speeches about this last year, which is that what happens when the thing that you seek to conserve no longer actually exists?

00:25:16.000 I actually think the conservative movement right now needs to recreate, actually.

00:25:21.000 I think we have lost those founding ideals, so we're not in the mode of just defending a thing.

00:25:25.000 We've defended the castle.

00:25:26.000 The castle's empty.

00:25:27.000 So now's the moment where we actually have to rebuild the thing, in some cases, from a clean edifice.

00:25:33.000 So I think that's an exciting moment, and I'll just close on just a philosophical question.

00:25:36.000 I'll give you a philosophical answer.

00:25:38.000 Different people are wired in different ways and generally it tends to be like liberal progressive people who have the more sort of creative nature versus a conservative nature is much more of a conservative pattern of thinking and conserving.

00:25:50.000 Right now the paradox for the conservative movement is I think we actually need leaders in the conservative movement who have that creative creator mindset because the thing we've sought to conserve In so many ways actually ceases to exist.

00:26:02.000 So it was a deep question.

00:26:04.000 We could probably continue this in a way that doesn't hold everybody else hostage.

00:26:09.000 Just one thing to wrap up.

00:26:10.000 Would you support expanding welfare?

00:26:12.000 Because abortion is... 1.00

00:26:13.000 There's obviously the French case of rape, incest, stuff like that, life of the mother.

00:26:16.000 But would you support expanding welfare to help?

00:26:19.000 Because abortion is often an economic issue as well. 0.89

00:26:21.000 You wouldn't expect to prevent it?

00:26:23.000 No.

00:26:23.000 That just sounds evil to me.

00:26:24.000 Well, hold on.

00:26:25.000 That's an interesting point.

00:26:26.000 So we've expanded social welfare.

00:26:28.000 We spent $20 trillion in the last 60 years.

00:26:30.000 Has that made abortions go down?

00:26:33.000 I don't believe so.

00:26:35.000 The answer is no.

00:26:36.000 It's gone up.

00:26:37.000 So actually, the more we spend on social welfare, the more abortions we have. 0.99

00:26:40.000 So you're coming at it from a faulty premise.

00:26:43.000 People do not have abortions because of lack of stuff.

00:26:45.000 They have abortions because they don't think it's a human life. 0.94

00:26:48.000 I mean, I've seen sexually housed.

00:26:50.000 It's pretty rough out there.

00:26:52.000 I'm not doubting that.

00:26:53.000 However, you and I will both agree.

00:26:54.000 People murder or do not murder, whether or not they believe it is right or wrong, not whether or not you're driving a Cadillac or a bicycle.

00:27:03.000 Thank you very much.

00:27:04.000 Thank you.

00:27:05.000 Hey, everybody.

00:27:08.000 Charlie Kirk here.

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00:28:10.000 So I have two very quick questions.

00:28:12.000 First with you Charlie.

00:28:13.000 So recently I was on YouTube and I saw one of your viral videos and pretty much you were talking and interviewing a college student like the rest of us and she was pretty much like arguing it was on the topic of abortion and you made the claim that if a young woman like not even a young woman like a child and she made the example if it was your daughter for example Like four, maybe ten years old.

00:28:37.000 You know, we literally just had this discussion.

00:28:39.000 Oh, I didn't hear that.

00:28:40.000 Yeah, it's okay.

00:28:40.000 Okay, no, no, no.

00:28:41.000 And I'm not arguing.

00:28:42.000 I'm just curious.

00:28:43.000 I just want, and you already obviously, like, know your sad and mindset on that.

00:28:47.000 Just to better educate myself and everybody here, I want to know, why would you think that if a ten-year-old were, something horrible were to happen and they were to get impregnated, that they would not be allowed to get an abortion?

00:28:58.000 Okay, so first of all, let's just acknowledge that is an incredibly rare case and a disgusting thing.

00:29:04.000 But it can still happen.

00:29:06.000 Of course it can.

00:29:07.000 So let me get five words in edgewise, right?

00:29:09.000 Okay, so that's number one or two.

00:29:10.000 I believe that's a human life.

00:29:12.000 Okay.

00:29:12.000 Therefore, for me to be consistent, I have to treat all human life the same.

00:29:16.000 So for example, someone in this audience was conceived in rape.

00:29:22.000 Who?

00:29:23.000 Can you look around and tell me which one?

00:29:25.000 No, I don't know that.

00:29:27.000 Exactly.

00:29:27.000 Okay.

00:29:28.000 Because your human rights don't stop based on the method of your conception.

00:29:32.000 Okay.

00:29:33.000 And so just so you understand, I have to take a principled view on this because I don't get to pick and choose which life get human rights.

00:29:40.000 Acknowledging this is an incredibly difficult scenario that involves potentially my daughter, hyper-emotional, right?

00:29:49.000 And I thought I tried to keep an even keel on it.

00:29:51.000 But to be consistent, you don't get to just murder life.

00:29:56.000 Because it's a situation that is disgusting and evil.

00:30:00.000 Secondly, when in life is it okay to do something evil after something evil happens?

00:30:08.000 Okay.

00:30:09.000 And so, therefore, I'm just saying, two wrongs that make a right.

00:30:11.000 So, you wanted my perspective.

00:30:14.000 That is my perspective.

00:30:14.000 That's what I asked.

00:30:15.000 And I'm not trying to argue with you, of course.

00:30:17.000 And I just have...

00:30:18.000 Okay.

00:30:20.000 You got that point across.

00:30:21.000 Yes, ma'am.

00:30:23.000 Okay.

00:30:24.000 I disagree in the fact that, Charlie, you've stated that you're not into criminalizing the mother for an abortion.

00:30:32.000 Why is that?

00:30:33.000 Like, how can we make a law that has no consequences?

00:30:37.000 Well, there's two parts of this, right?

00:30:39.000 The first of which is no person should advocate for retroactive enforcement of something that was once legal to then make illegal.

00:30:49.000 We can agree with that, right?

00:30:50.000 Right.

00:30:51.000 No matter what the law is, you cannot claw back.

00:30:53.000 For example, if all of a sudden the government says you can't have a public assembly like this and that is effective tomorrow, they can't go back today and put us all in prison, right?

00:31:03.000 So that's number one, retroactive.

00:31:05.000 Number two, My heart goes out to women that have abortions. 0.95

00:31:09.000 Right.

00:31:10.000 Because they're lied to and manipulated.

00:31:12.000 And it's based on one very simple medical principle, the lack of informed consent.

00:31:17.000 I do not believe women, largely when they get abortions, know what they're doing. 1.00

00:31:21.000 They're not given ultrasounds for their baby.

00:31:24.000 They're not informed of the gruesome and graphic details surrounding their procedure.

00:31:29.000 Instead, the justice system should be focused on the abortionists that are actually doing that procedure. 0.98

00:31:35.000 Does that make sense?

00:31:36.000 I mean, I guess, but the person also committing the crime, like killing her baby, is...

00:31:42.000 I feel like should also be held responsible.

00:31:45.000 Like, how can we ban abortions and the mom just still be let go? 1.00

00:31:51.000 Yeah, we're just not going to agree.

00:31:53.000 First of all, she's not doing the act.

00:31:55.000 Many times she's being forced into that situation by someone paying for that abortion, such as someone that she might have had a relationship with, or even terrible pimps also do it as well.

00:32:07.000 But we're not going to agree, because I think our posture on abortion should be compassion for the women that have abortions and get abortions, and justice for the industry that lies to them.

00:32:17.000 Okay, thank you.

00:32:18.000 Thank you.

00:32:18.000 Okay.

00:32:19.000 Hi.

00:32:19.000 I'm Rachel.

00:32:20.000 I'm already off the bat.

00:32:22.000 I do not agree with a lot of politically what any of you have to say, but I'm a part of Bridge Pittsburgh, which is an organization that believes in having civil discussion without yelling at each other.

00:32:32.000 So I actually have some friends from Turning Point back there, even though I am a registered Democrat.

00:32:36.000 So what's up, Jesse?

00:32:37.000 That's cool.

00:32:38.000 My question is actually for you, Vivek.

00:32:39.000 First off, thanks for coming.

00:32:41.000 Second, As a person of color and as someone of Indian descent, does it offend you whenever there's comments made about Kamala and some racial sensitivities on that?

00:32:52.000 Does that offend you in any way or hurt you or does that drive you to still try to be representative of your party even when those comments are made by your party?

00:32:59.000 Give me a specific comment.

00:33:00.000 Okay, well, for example, the recent thing that was, um, if Kamala got elected, the White House would smell like curry.

00:33:07.000 Is that offend you in any way, or is that just, like, drive for you to do it?

00:33:09.000 For the record, Trump did not say that.

00:33:11.000 No, Donald Trump did not say that, but it was still implied as there's a presidential election.

00:33:17.000 I'm actually...

00:33:18.000 Pretty thick-skinned guy.

00:33:19.000 I can tell the difference between somebody who has an earnest joke, and the person who actually happens to say that, I happen to know, doesn't have ill will towards Indian people.

00:33:26.000 But if you're going to joke, my only rule is you better apply 360 degrees, okay?

00:33:29.000 You can't apply it selectively.

00:33:31.000 Here's actually my view on this, is a lot of Indian Americans across the country actually have been somewhat disappointed for a long time about Kamala Harris' willingness to engage with and listen to a lot of the concerns even of the Indian American community.

00:33:44.000 I'll tell you what one of them are, is relating to merit.

00:33:48.000 Merit in getting into college.

00:33:50.000 Merit in getting into jobs without regard to your skin color or your discrimination.

00:33:55.000 I think most people want that better life for their kids.

00:33:58.000 And so I think most people think about that regardless of their skin color.

00:34:01.000 But if you're thinking about actual concerns of the Indian American community, that's probably very high on the list.

00:34:06.000 And Kamala Harris is failing to embody that. 1.00

00:34:08.000 Now, for me, my own view is...

00:34:10.000 Let me level with you a little bit.

00:34:12.000 I actually think we have seen...

00:34:16.000 An unusual level.

00:34:17.000 Like, this is in the last year, okay?

00:34:19.000 And it's strange.

00:34:21.000 A small uptick in anti-black and anti-Hispanic racism in the country.

00:34:26.000 And I would have never thought we were going to see it.

00:34:28.000 Here's why I think we've seen it.

00:34:30.000 I think we've seen it as a reactionary response to the anti-racist movement for the last 10 years because there's no better way to foster racial animus than to take something else away from someone based on their skin color.

00:34:44.000 So when you say you don't get that federal aid or you don't get that seat in college or you don't get that job because of your skin color, you're going to have a negative attitude towards the person who was favored because of their race.

00:34:54.000 Okay.

00:34:55.000 And this is what's going on in Springfield, too, by the way, when I'm visiting tomorrow.

00:34:58.000 In a certain sense, if you're going to put 20,000 people who are not going to be able to integrate into a community into that community, I sympathize with people who are suffering as a consequence of that.

00:35:09.000 That's necessarily going to spawn a reactionary response.

00:35:12.000 I did agree with you on that when you said that earlier.

00:35:14.000 But then you can't blame the reactionary response and say they're responsible for the division.

00:35:17.000 I think it's a lot of those policies that created that division in the first place.

00:35:22.000 And bluntly, I do put a lot of that at the feet of Kamala Harris and the movement that she represents.

00:35:26.000 And that's where I'm at on it.

00:35:27.000 Thank you for the question.

00:35:28.000 Thank you.

00:35:28.000 Have a great day.

00:35:29.000 Yeah, you too.

00:35:29.000 Thank you.

00:35:30.000 Thanks so much for listening, everybody.

00:35:31.000 Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com.

The Charlie Kirk Show - November 25, 2024

"Is the Nuclear Family Is Bad" And Other Odd Campus Questions

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