00:00:00.000Hey everybody, today in the Charlie Kirk show, Steve Baker, who might be arrested any day now by the federal government for reporting on January 6th, talks about the pipe bombers.
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00:02:00.000So, Steve, I want you to first just start with your background on January 6th and then remind us why you're under threat of arrest from the Biden Department of Justice.
00:02:08.000Then I want to get deeper into the more substantive revelations.
00:02:20.000I wasn't a stringer for anybody or freelancing directly for anybody at the time, but my work was used by the New York Times, HBO, and other news agencies all over the world.
00:02:33.000But subsequent to that, I did volunteer to have an FBI interview about my activities that day.
00:02:39.000And then later in 21, they actually notified my attorney and said that I was actually going to face charges for what we weren't exactly 100% sure at the time.
00:02:50.000And then after we kicked back and kind of did a press offensive back in November, December of 21, they backed off and we didn't hear from the Department of Justice for another 20 months.
00:03:01.000And then in August of this year, coincidentally, right when I was beginning my relationship with the Blaze, suddenly they popped up again with a grand jury subpoena for all my videos that I took on January 6th, which wasn't necessary, Charlie, because we had already voluntarily offered them all of that.
00:03:19.000It had been used in news programs, so we had no reason to withhold that from the FBI.
00:03:23.000So then after the grand jury subpoena, and we did comply with that, then they went silent again for another four months until just before Christmas this past Christmas, we heard from them yet again.
00:03:37.000FBI contacted my attorney and said that they expected me to self-surrender in the city where I live in Raleigh, North Carolina, the very next week, which would have been Tuesday, the 19th of December.
00:03:49.000We went in full combat mode once again, this time with the Blaze helping me, and they backed off again.
00:04:00.000The last we heard was that they were going to have me self-surrender sometime in January, mid-January, that they would give me seven to 10 days notice this time.
00:04:19.000Well, the four basic misdemeanors that everybody gets hit with related to January 6th, the glorified trespassing charge, the parading and interfering, you know, with what was going on that day, the operations, those kinds of things, we think that those would be there.
00:04:36.000But our intel from inside DOJ is telling us that they are trying to say, this is quote unquote from what we've heard is they're trying to save face by finding something more impactful to hit me with.
00:04:51.000And so that is why yesterday my attorneys all came together this past weekend and they issued this press release that went out yesterday just basically throwing down the gauntlet to the DOJ and letting them know and just saying, look, you guys have been threatening our client for two and a half years now.
00:05:10.000So either do it or let's, you know, let's back off.
00:05:13.000But if you do it, we're going to fight and you're going to have a major, major First Amendment fight on your hands and we will take this to the mat all the way.
00:05:22.000What have you had to pay in legal fees so far to defend yourself as a journalist?
00:05:26.000Interestingly, Charlie, I've been blessed in that I have not had to come out of pocket very deeply in this process because my attorneys believe in this cause.
00:05:37.000They, you know, look, these courtroom defense attorneys, they want to fight.
00:05:44.000And this is a fight they want because this list of attorneys that we showed yesterday that signed to this press release, they want this fight.
00:05:54.000They want to take it right to the Department of Justice.
00:05:56.000And two of them are former federal prosecutors themselves for over 20 years apiece.
00:06:03.000So the, I mean, I just, just really quick, and then I want to get into some of the revelations.
00:06:07.000How is what you did on January 6th any different than some of these award-winning journalists that embedded themselves into, I mean, I happen to stumble upon sometimes weekend programming, CNN, MSNBC, and there are these award-winning people that they profile that went into the Capitol with cameras and they said, oh, they did Warzone style coverage.
00:06:29.000And like you said, you were a freelancer.
00:06:31.000You had the regime, you had HBO, you had Axios taking your footage.
00:06:38.000And isn't reporting a First Amendment protected activity?
00:06:42.000Well, first of all, and this is something that most people do not understand.
00:06:47.000Just because you're a journalist, whether you're credentialed or whether you're working with the New York Times or freelance, it does not give you the right, legally or otherwise, to enter a restricted space.
00:06:57.000So if the government is going to say that everybody that entered a restricted space, whether it was on the lawn or inside the building that day, was committing an illegal act and therefore should be charged, that same Penalty applies to journalists.
00:07:13.000Now, for generations, for hundreds of years, maybe journalists have been allowed to by law enforcement, you know, law enforcement has allowed people inside the police lines or inside the tape, inside the restricted areas, because they understand that what the journalist is doing there is for the benefit of the public interest.
00:07:32.000And so, if they're going to apply this prosecution only to journalists who narrative doesn't comport with the regime regime's approved narrative, then this is where they're going to open themselves up to a charge of selective prosecution because my reporting, the way I saw it through my lens, I didn't see it the same way as Luke Mogulson, who submitted his story to the New Yorker that day.
00:08:00.000And Luke entered through a broken window.
00:08:29.000Yeah, this obviously was covered very extensively in Darren Beatty's revolver story.
00:08:36.000And then, of course, obviously Tucker had him on after that to get into it some more.
00:08:41.000And this is just really coming into the public interest right now because we are learning for the first time in three years how much information has been held back from us, particularly about the DNC pipe bomb at the Democratic National Committee's headquarters there.
00:08:57.000The RNC and DNC about a block and a half apart.
00:09:00.000They're a couple of blocks away from the Capitol, very close.
00:09:03.000What we are knowing now and what even mainstream press colleagues that I speak to are admitting is that it's very apparent that these two bombs were in fact diversionary devices.
00:09:15.000Now, we're going to be at odds at who we think might have planted those bombs and what the purpose of the diversion was.
00:09:21.000But the fact is, is that they were diversionary devices.
00:09:24.000They were not viable explosives as the FBI continues to portray them.
00:09:30.000But more importantly, we're learning so much more because they were withholding information like, for instance, what I revealed just a couple of days ago is that the person who discovered the bomb at the DNC was a plainclothes Capital police officer.
00:09:49.000And when he discovered that, he did so very casually, which was very odd.
00:09:53.000And Beatty's story really covered that very well.
00:09:59.000Then the Metropolitan Police Officers and the Secret Service agents that he reported this discovery to, they responded very lackadaisically.
00:10:07.000And then that opens up a whole bunch of questions.
00:10:09.000But first of all, why has the government, why has the FBI in particular, only identified the person who discovered that bomb as a passerby for three years?
00:10:20.000And they have stuck to that story without revealing that, in fact, it was a Capitol police plainclothes officer.
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00:13:03.000There was no, look at this guy who was doing his job.
00:13:07.000In fact, we had to scrap to find out who did this.
00:13:11.000Yeah, it's exactly the opposite of what we have seen by the other Capitol police officers who have been given book deals, who have been given presidential medals, congressional medals, who have been awarded with multiple appearances on every single talk show with, you know, whoopie Goldberg on the view and such as that.
00:13:35.000And now we have one of those officers running for Congress.
00:13:38.000But the point being is that they kept this guy obscure.
00:13:58.000In most cases, you would certainly give an ad-a boy to the guy and a medal and a pat on the back publicly to let him know that he did his job.
00:14:05.000But instead, they've kept his identity secret for this entire three-year period, along with so many other.
00:14:14.000You know, it took a year before they revealed that then vice president-elect Kamala Harris was even in the building.
00:14:22.000As we mentioned, why didn't they go full AOC with her or allow her to go out and become a celebrity victim like AOC did on January 6th when she was cowering in her office building, of course, where there were no protesters at all, but she was claiming and telling the world just recently on the third anniversary that she had comforted herself that day on January 6th by accepting that maybe she had already fulfilled her purpose on this planet.
00:14:49.000So she was ready to give her life that day.
00:14:51.000Of course, her life was under no such threat.
00:14:53.000But why didn't Kamala Harris milk the same level of sympathy for the purpose of the narrative capture that the Democrats gained on that day to begin with?
00:15:07.000And in fact, this is the really bad part, Charlie, is because it was assumed and alleged by the Department of Justice itself that Kamala Harris was inside the Capitol, they increased the charging and the sentencing on several of the January 6th defendants.
00:15:25.000And once it was revealed that she was not even in the building at the time, that she was at the DNC headquarters, they had to go back and do superseding indictments on quite a few of these defendants and charged with J6 crimes in order to update the fact that, oh, we got that wrong.
00:15:42.000Well, the government knew where she was, but they withheld that for a full year.
00:15:46.000So I want to keep diving into this, Steve, because they have a problem and the problem's not going away, largely because of you and Darren Beattie and this program and Thomas Massey and Elon Musk.
00:16:08.000And so if we accept the premise, and we could speculate, and I want you to, if we accept the premise that this was some form of an operation, something here smells, then they have to close the loop here.
00:16:23.000And that's what I think is they're struggling with.
00:16:26.000So Christopher Wray might not have known about this.
00:16:30.000It might have been an insurance policy, or it very well could have been something that Christopher Wray was briefed on, a clandestine operation that the FBI knew.
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00:18:03.000So Steve, walk us through then, what is your best guess as to what the pipe bomb story or saga is, and then talk about their attempts to cover it up.
00:18:12.000Well, you always have to default, Charlie, to government incompetence.
00:18:17.000And you also have to default to, are they, in this case, covering up their incompetence?
00:18:22.000Because we saw from the video that Massey put out and that BD covered so well, and that so many have done great commentary on experts, former Secret Service, former FBI that have looked at this, the former intelligence and Capitol Police that I've allowed to see this video as well and heard their commentary.
00:19:23.000You had the police tape, everything that you expect to happen if you have a bomb scare or a suspicious package finding.
00:19:29.000Over at the DNC, we saw just seven minutes, but we saw a very improperly orchestrated response to that.
00:19:40.000And I will tell you that we have coming a lot more of that video.
00:19:43.000We have more before, we have more after, and we even have another camera angle that we have discovered here.
00:19:50.000The Blaze analysts have discovered in our time at the Capitol CCTV viewing room that we're going to be rolling out very shortly.
00:19:56.000And it's going to even look like more of a cover-up when we show you the additional footage that we have attained.
00:20:02.000But having said that, we start with incompetence, right?
00:20:06.000But then we have to figure out: you know, our five different agencies that were on the scene, we had the Secret Service, we had Metropolitan PD, we had Capitol Police.
00:20:14.000Eventually, obviously, the ATF and FBI responded as well.
00:20:18.000So when you have five different agencies, are they really trying to cover up for each other?
00:20:27.000Was there a coordinated planning of a diversionary pipe bomb?
00:20:31.000Look, I don't think that anybody, any of the best conspiracy theory minds can put together a scenario where they could keep this quiet across so many agencies.
00:20:42.000And then, of course, now we have people throwing in the CIA into the mix.
00:20:45.000So I don't think that that happened right now with what we know and what I know and what I've seen.
00:20:51.000But I do believe that we are at the very least, minimally seeing the cover-up of incompetence at that time.
00:20:57.000Now, you throw into the soup again what we were talking about earlier about why did they withhold the information about Kamala not being there in the building for a full year.
00:21:09.000Why have they withheld the information that this bomb was discovered by a Capitol police officer for three full years?
00:21:16.000And then when we show you what's coming up, there's some other things that they've been hiding from us that they have not showed us yet.
00:21:24.000I'm totally with you with incompetence.
00:21:26.000That's my default position with anything that involves the government.
00:21:30.000But I suppose against the incompetence argument, I want you just to think about this out loud with us, would be the improbable timing of when the bombs were found within a short window period of time.
00:21:42.000Would you agree that that probably pushes back against the incompetence argument?
00:21:49.000The fact that we are even, as I said earlier, getting MSN colleagues to now join with us in admitting that these were very apparently diversionary devices to take and diminish and thin out the forces at the Capitol.
00:22:04.000Because obviously when the first bomb was reported at the RNC, Capitol police officers had to respond to that.
00:22:11.000And they already had a very diminished force that day, which is another story, inexplicable.
00:22:18.000We know, Charlie, I have possession of the six permitted events, the actual permits, I have the actual permits that were signed off by the Capitol Police Force itself, leadership, for events planned and scheduled on the Capitol grounds that day.
00:22:34.000And yet they had only a fraction of their force available to their commanders that day.
00:22:39.000So you have your first bomb that is discovered just before the famous Ray Eps barricade breach on the west side.
00:22:47.000And then just only another 10 or 15 minutes later, after that breach, you have the second bomb discovered at the DNC by a Capitol police officer over there.
00:22:56.000Yes, it does cause you to, once again, you have to throw that ingredient into the conspiracy theory soup pot and stir them together.
00:23:06.000And as this thing builds, more questions are going to be demanded.
00:23:13.000We're going to have to ask more questions of these agencies.
00:23:16.000And I do know, and I will tell you, a lot of people are very disappointed in Congress right now.
00:23:21.000There are a couple of these committees that are seriously looking at this.
00:23:25.000They actually have full-time investigators on.
00:23:28.000In fact, we know now through our own sources that Speaker Johnson has given these committees even more resources, more money, and more staffing to investigate January 6th events.
00:24:00.000Look, you know, I'm as frustrated as anybody.
00:24:03.000I've actually spoken directly with Speaker Johnson.
00:24:05.000I got a half hour with him in early December where I pushed back against him directly about this whole idea of blurring the faces in the release of the videos.
00:24:19.000If they continue to go through the process of technically blurring the faces out as they release these videos to the public, as he has promised, it's going to take him 35 years at current pace to get that.
00:24:32.00035 years at current pace to get all these videos out.
00:24:34.000If they stop this process and just upload these videos, they can get it done in a few days.
00:24:38.000I learned this morning through one of my congressional sources that they are actually on the cusp now of dropping this whole blurring idea.
00:24:47.000I'm fortunate that I had the opportunity to maybe influence Speaker Johnson on that.
00:24:53.000But the other thing is, is that we do know because the two or the primary committee that oversees the Capitol and the Capitol Police is House Administration and their subcommittee, the Oversight Subcommittee, which is chaired by Barry Lautermilk, they have been given additional resources to enhance and to further speed up the investigations into January 6th.
00:25:20.000It's been very frustrating for those of us who have been working very hard at this.
00:25:23.000It's been very frustrating for those of us who are seeing lives destroyed, innocent people that are being locked up.
00:25:29.000And when I say innocent, they're certainly not guilty of the crimes that they've been charged with.
00:25:34.000But to see their lives ruined by this weaponized Department of Justice has been very frustrating for many of us.
00:25:43.000But as slow as the gears are grinding, there have been advancements in recent weeks that I'm happy to talk about.
00:25:50.000And I'll be reporting more on that as I'm allowed to, because that's, you know, look, we're talking about politics here.
00:25:56.000So sometimes we have to wait until we have permission, just like we had to wait on our permission to release some of these videos about Capitol Police officers who perjured themselves in trials because we had to get security clearances from multiple agencies in order to even release the videos of these Capitol Police officers who said they were at one part of the Capitol when they were in an entirely another building in their trial testimonies.
00:26:21.000Any closing thoughts here, Steve, as we continue on the story?
00:26:26.000Yeah, let's be patient as much as we can.
00:26:31.000And we need more of us asking these questions.
00:26:35.000We need more of those who have done the good work, whether it's Darren Beatty, whether it's Julie Kelly, whether it's John Solomon, and those who are experts at analyzing these videos that we are discovering and that we are rolling out.
00:28:26.000That's why they make these investigations go on for three or four years.
00:28:30.000And even though they might not result in an indictment, people that will tell you that have gone through multiple years of these investigations, they take years off your life.
00:28:38.000And they would have vastly preferred a couple months in prison and a quick trial than four years of meetings and legal fees.
00:28:48.000The process is the punishment as much as a punishment is the punishment.
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00:31:24.000I'm going to ask you this as a speculation, and I want you to answer it as a hypothetical.
00:31:31.000If Elon Musk had not liberated Twitter, do you think immigration would be the number one issue in America right now?
00:31:37.000If Elon Musk had not liberated X or Twitter, would immigration be the number one issue in America?
00:31:46.000Do you know immigration is now the number one issue over inflation, definitely over abortion, over everything?
00:31:51.000It is the number one issue on every single poll.
00:31:55.000The same way we've moved public opinion on the trans issue, I truly believe Elon Musk allowing free dialogue on Twitter X is shifting public opinion in real time.
00:32:09.000This is why they have to try to take out Elon Musk.
00:32:11.000Now, we've spent a fair amount of time talking about how they're going to try to assassinate Trump.
00:32:16.000They're going to try to get rid of the election.
00:32:19.000I firmly believe that this election in November will be fair, not fair, fairer because of Elon Musk.
00:32:31.000They have to get more and more desperate and more and more wild the weaker they get.
00:32:37.000They used to just shame you on TV and bark at you on MSNBC, like the race lady.
00:32:44.000Now they have to literally imprison you, but they are losing so significantly on Twitter and X every single day because when you start to see the images and you see the videos and you see it, I know this sounds a little bit like hopium, a little bit, but hear me out, everybody.
00:33:01.000I'm starting to feel that the regime is kind of on defense all the time, and I hate to get too high on our own supply, but I think the Twitter X thing is bigger than anybody realizes.
00:33:12.000And I could say it's kind of like BC and AD, before Christ and after Christ, as far as like how different it feels, as far as New Testament, Old Testament, just like how different.
00:33:23.000Life under enemy occupied Twitter under Jack Dorsey and life under liberated Twitter is completely different.
00:33:31.000We are now seeing public opinion polls shift the more that we collectively as a movement emphasize a topic.
00:33:38.000That never happened, everybody, prior to the liberation of Twitter and X. We'd kind of go viral on truth or one of these other things, which is great, but it didn't penetrate mainstream opinion.
00:33:49.000And by the way, James O'Keefe, I had a great call with James O'Keefe yesterday.