Vivek Ramaswamy and Ari Fleischer join us to reflect on the Joe Biden Debacle. Charlie and Vaynerchuck are joined by former White House Press Secretary and former CNN White House Correspondent AriFleischer to discuss what they learned about Joe Biden's performance in the CNN primary debate and why it was such a disaster for the left. They also talk about why the left was the real victim in this one, not the right and why they should be mad at the media for the way they handled it and why the media should have handled it so poorly and why we should be angry at the way CNN handled it as well as the fact that John King was the only person to call Joe Biden a "liar" and an "idiot" in the entire debate. Thanks to our sponsor, Noble Gold Investments, for sponsoring the show. Noble Gold is the official gold sponsor of the Charlie Kirk Show and is a company that specializes in gold and physical delivery of precious metals. Learn how you could protect your wealth with Noble Gold Investing Investments at noblegoldinvestments.com. That's where I buy all of my gold. I buy it all, I own it all. I don't own any of my Gold. I'm not looking for it, I just want to own it! That's what I'm here to protect your gold and I'll tell you what you should be doing with it. - Charlie and I are working together to make sure you can do the work you need to make it so you can have the best possible day in your life, not just the best day in the best way possible. Turning Point USA is a place you can get your best shot at freedom, your best chance at the best of your day to do the most important day you get the most of your best day possible, and I'm going to be there to help you do it all you can be the best you can achieve your best, no matter where you're at it, right here in the most efficient way possible, the most you can afford it, and you don't even when you're here, you're in a good place you're most likely to do it, not in your best and you're listening to the best place possible, you'll get the best, right in the cheapest possible day you're not going to pay the most, most of the most affordable day you can access the most information you're going to get it, the best service you can find it, you won't even care about it, it's gonna be the most effective day you'll ever get, right there, and there's going to have the most access to the most amazing service you're gonna get.
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00:01:56.000You know, actually, Charlie, as I watched it, I didn't think Biden bombed.
00:02:00.000I thought he was having a typical Joe Biden day, which was bad, stumbling, bumbling, incoherent, hard to put a sense together.
00:02:08.000But as anybody who has watched conservative media knows, that's just a day for Joe Biden.
00:02:13.000The problem was, and this is how media bias bites the other side.
00:02:19.000We conservatives are usually the victim of it, but here the left was the victim.
00:02:22.000Because if you're a CNN viewer, a MSNBC viewer, a New York Times reader, you are seldom if ever told that Joe Biden is in cognitive decline.
00:02:33.000You're actually told that Republicans make cheap fake videos about this issue.
00:02:47.000And that's why you have the meltdown you have on the left.
00:02:50.000I think that's a really smart analysis, Ari, that, and I know this is hard for you to believe because you watch this program, you listen to, you know, you see, watch Hannity or whatever, you watch Bannon, and we see the Biden trip ups all the time on our social media.
00:03:04.000There are tens of millions of people that are cloistered away from conservative media that tuned in last night.
00:03:10.000We're still waiting for ratings numbers, but I bet it's huge.
00:03:12.000And then all this, and then in addition, the clips.
00:03:18.000I found to be shocking the green light, the ambush that John King was leading on the CNN panel afterwards.
00:03:25.000I want to play just some of this piece of tape here.
00:03:28.000I think it's 1.23, if I'm not mistaken, 1.20 or 1.23, where there was no hesitation, Ari, out of the gate, full ambush of Joe Biden, no spin, no nuance.
00:03:40.000I was anticipating CNN to go into recovery mode.
00:04:32.000And that's again why I say this was a 10 on the disaster scale, because this is the hometown fans now cheering and turning against Joe Biden.
00:05:19.000CNN doesn't know who's in the on-deck circle.
00:05:22.000They haven't all said, this is a deliberate plan.
00:05:24.000We were just waiting for the right moment to get rid of Biden.
00:05:27.000I think they just watched events unfold, and they were shocked at how many Democrats they knew were saying, this is a disaster, and they reported it.
00:05:35.000So you were the White House press secretary.
00:06:37.000I mean, the only way that this could get overturned is by the superdelegates leading a rebellion at the Democratic Convention to the point where Democrats who are pledged to support Biden, because Biden won the primaries in those states, go into full revolt.
00:06:55.000And you talk about a threat to democracy.
00:06:57.000You talk about overturning the results of an election.
00:07:02.000And there were all kinds of people warning the Democrats how crazy it is for them not to have an insurance policy, not to have a strong candidate test Joe Biden in primaries in debates against Joe Biden.
00:07:15.000And now we're all watching this unfold where the Democrats don't know how to turn, where to turn, what to do.
00:07:22.000But Charlie, you got the fundamentals right.
00:07:23.000If Biden says, I'm stubborn, I'm not stepping down, I am running.
00:07:29.000It will be almost impossible for the delegates in Milwaukee to force his hand.
00:07:36.000He has to say, I've gotten the message, I heard the voices, I won't run.
00:07:40.000And then you get chaos until they have a nominee.
00:07:47.000Yeah, and then by the way, how do you even script a convention at that point?
00:07:50.000A convention is supposed to be a celebration and bringing your message to the American people in an uninterrupted television time.
00:07:56.000And so reporting shows Wisconsin's already too late to remove Joe Biden from the ballot in Wisconsin.
00:08:01.000Nevada, after tonight, the fourth Friday in June, it'll be too late to remove Joe Biden.
00:08:06.000This is collapsing in real time for them.
00:08:09.000Here is a montage right here of Democrats insisting in the weeks.
00:08:13.000This is why it's bad for all the Democrats.
00:08:17.000I just had it in front of me, Ryan, can you resend it?
00:08:19.000Of all the Democrats saying for weeks ahead of time that Joe Biden is mentally fit, that Joe Biden knows that he's on the top of his game, that he's never been as sharp, that Joe Biden is ready, cut 157.
00:08:34.000He is sharp, intensely probing, and detail-oriented and focused.
00:08:40.000This is a man who is sharp, who is on top of his game, who knows what's going on.
00:08:44.000This guy's tough, he's smart, he's on his game.
00:09:29.000If this is the top of his game, it's a pretty low game.
00:09:34.000Democrats have, this is again why they're in panic because they've all been doing this, particularly Jon Tester in Montana and Bob Casey in Pennsylvania, the Democrats who were up in the close states, Sherrod Brown in Ohio.
00:09:46.000They married Joe Biden and now they're stuck with him.
00:10:09.000It is a Democrat-wide problem in the House and the Senate.
00:10:12.000The Senate was already going to turn Republican.
00:10:15.000Charlie, if this is a 1980, 1994, 2014-style sweep year, one of those dramatic years where the party out of power gains a huge number of seats, The most Republicans could pick up is 10.
00:10:29.000That is how big a swing there could be in the Senate.
00:10:32.000That would bring in somebody like Nella Domenici running in New Mexico.
00:10:53.000This is why I think that they've dug themselves such a deep hole.
00:10:56.000That montage right there is so powerful of them saying he's on the top of the game, best ever, and then you put him on TV and people know that they are liars.
00:11:04.000They have lied and lied and lied repeatedly.
00:11:10.000Are you ready to lose weight, but not sure where to start?
00:12:36.000Making sure that we're able to make every single solitary person eligible for what I've been able to do with dealing with everything we have to do with... Look, if we finally beat Medicare... Thank you, President Biden.
00:13:22.000And then Charlie, actually the best line was the line right after that, where he said, frankly, I didn't understand a word you said at the end.
00:14:09.000I also understand the politics of the situation.
00:14:12.000Donald Trump, Joe Biden thought this was going to be a triumphant win when Donald Trump actually ended up the winner of the abortion dialogue and turned a negative into a positive.
00:15:20.000We think the Democrats are the radicals, not the Republicans.
00:15:23.000I thought that was absolutely masterful.
00:15:25.000And by the way, Trump is correct, just so that we are clear, in New Mexico, Colorado, Oregon, Minnesota, Vermont, and New Jersey, there are no limits on abortion, period.
00:16:22.000You don't get to it by having it dictated.
00:16:25.000And Trump is the one trying to navigate those choppy waters.
00:16:28.000I do think he's doing a good job and Republicans need help, especially making the case that Democrats are radicals because the press will not write that story.
00:16:36.000And so Trump needed to help drive that home in a debate with 70 million or so watching.
00:16:40.000Final question here, Ari, about one minute remaining.
00:16:42.000Betting odds, yes or no, if you were to put your money on, is Joe Biden going to be the nominee coming into November?
00:16:50.000Charlie, if you put a gun to my head and said to me, will Joe Biden be the nominee in November?
00:17:01.000Look, I used to give it one third odds that Biden was going to withdraw before the Democratic Convention, and now it's up to 50-50 in my book.
00:17:11.000This comes down to stubborn Joe Biden, I'm the one, I beat him before, I'll beat him again, versus the Democratic Party that is now in a meltdown fear that they're going to lose everything this November.
00:18:51.000And last night made that clear as day.
00:18:53.000For a second, even taking the partisan goggles off, it was sad.
00:18:57.000Just as a US citizen, as a citizen of this country, Republican or Democrat, to see a nominal president of the United States who is failing to function even the basic activities of daily living of a human being.
00:19:09.000This is a lie, and I think the government owes the people of this country an answer.
00:19:12.000That it's now clear that this man is not running the country.
00:19:14.000If it's not Joe Biden, who actually is?
00:19:17.000And I think we, the people, deserve a response on that.
00:19:20.000But I think that was the number one takeaway from last night.
00:19:22.000President Trump did an outstanding job.
00:19:24.000I think it was one of his best debate performances.
00:19:26.000I think maybe one of the best debate performances in modern history, actually.
00:19:29.000He landed some authentic messages that I think came through the TV.
00:19:33.000I think at the point where he said, quite honestly, and I know he believes this, He wishes that Joe Biden were a good president, because if he were, then Donald Trump wouldn't have to be putting himself through this.
00:19:44.000I think that landed with a lot of independents, with a lot of CEOs who I've talked to, with a lot of people who are maybe centrists or independents that are leaning towards Trump.
00:19:54.000And I think that that landed with them in a way that some of the other things that we might have said on the right may not have landed with them in the same way.
00:22:01.000He's leaning in, he's white knuckling.
00:22:04.000Can this be done if Joe Biden white knuckles?
00:22:06.000I think they're chanting four more years for Obama.
00:22:08.000I think that's effectively who they're rooting for.
00:22:10.000I think that in some way or maybe the person or among those who are behind the scenes right now anyway.
00:22:15.000The reality is, I don't think Michelle Obama is off the table.
00:22:18.000I don't think a lot of these other candidates for the Democrats are off the table, who they've otherwise dismissed so far.
00:22:23.000And in some ways, Charlie, that's a best-case scenario that they're trying to play for, because if somebody comes in really late, it avoids them being scrutinized, but has the election occur right where they're still in the middle of the honeymoon phase.
00:22:37.000It would be a lie on the American people.
00:22:39.000And if and when that happens, I want people at home and independents and libertarians and even Democrats To ask themselves, are you going to tolerate a leadership class in this country that lies to you that explicitly?
00:22:51.000Just six weeks ago, it was New York Times headlines claiming that it was creative right-wing video clipping that was selective editing showing Joe Biden to be frail.
00:23:00.000None of that video clipping, however good those video clippers were, none of them could have done a better job of proving the point than actually Joe Biden directly for an hour and a half on that stage last night.
00:23:08.000And so my message to anybody in this country who is surprised by what they saw last night, if you're actually surprised when Biden's frailties have been this clear for this long, ask yourself if the media could lie to you about that, what else are they also lying to you about right now?
00:23:24.000It's just like they lied to you about the Russia collusion hoax, the origin of COVID, Everything else, what else are they lying to you about right now?
00:23:32.000And I hope that's an eye-opening moment to a lot of people.
00:23:35.000Charlie, I think the good news is I talk to a lot of people who have been successful multibillionaires, investors, etc., who even a year ago, entrepreneurs who wouldn't have thought of even publicly voicing support for Donald Trump.
00:23:46.000Who, after a performance like last night, I think do feel some license to say, you know what?
00:23:51.000Joe Biden has no business being the President of the United States.
00:23:54.000It's time to coalesce around Donald Trump, even if we don't agree with everything he says.
00:23:59.000And I think there's a temptation on our side, I even feel some of this when I have those conversations, to sort of be annoyed, to say, okay, where were you a year ago?
00:24:07.000And why weren't you saying the same thing?
00:24:09.000I think we've actually got to resist that.
00:24:10.000If we want to win the election this year, even for people who are coming to the same views that people like you and I might have had a year ago, we should say, you know what?
00:24:18.000We respect somebody who's able to change their mind.
00:24:21.000That's how we're going to grow our America First coalition and really turn this election on the positive side.
00:24:26.000So on the negative side, complacency is not an option.
00:24:28.000But on the positive side, this could be the first landslide election possibility we've had in decades, in a generation.
00:24:35.000And think about what that does for the possibility of actually national unity, something we've forgotten in the United States, to unite around a leader like Donald Trump.
00:24:44.000That's a generational opportunity that I don't want to squander.
00:24:47.000And that's going to require us to give space to centrists and even people on the center left.
00:24:52.000Give them the space not to put them in a box and say you were wrong and have to have the views you had a year ago, but to say, you know what, if you want to open your mind and actually open your eyes and say, we're all human beings have made some mistakes.
00:25:04.000This is a time for us to be charitable to those kinds of voters, be they CEOs or university leaders or anybody else to be able to come with us because we're going to need every bit of that to win this in a big way.
00:25:14.000Joe Biden is white knuckling in a very serious way.
00:25:17.000I think we need to broaden this critique beyond Joe Biden to the entire Democrat Party and how the Democrat Party has been lying about us as you say Vivek.
00:27:19.000The truth about what they suppressed, the basis for the prosecutions of January 6th, look at that Supreme Court ruling coming out today, finally at least bringing back some semblance of the rule of law to this country.
00:27:28.000These people have lied, and they have lied systematically without accountability.
00:27:33.000Is it any surprise that they continue to lie about Biden's fitness for office as well?
00:27:38.000And so that's my message to many Democrats and many independent minded libertarians or anybody else's.
00:27:42.000You may not agree with 100% of what Donald Trump says, but you deserve a government that actually tells you the truth and isn't staffed by people who grew up in the very swamp that we need to go in there and drain.
00:27:54.000This is a once in a generation opportunity to restore the 1776 vision that our founding fathers had in mind when they declared independence from a lying British monarchy.
00:28:05.000It's time to declare our new independence in 2024.
00:28:08.000And if we squander this opportunity, we're not going to get it again.
00:28:11.000This is the moment for Americans to actually say, you know, I don't care what label you are, black or white or forget Democrat or Republican, those labels don't mean anything.
00:28:18.000This is our chance to put back a government that actually just tells us, for God's sake, once and for all, give us the truth.
00:28:26.000And I think the fact that they've tried to coddle us this long and failed paves the way for an opportunity that if we squandered this time, we're not going to have it again.
00:28:33.000This is our time to step up and seize it this November.
00:28:36.000The future of the entire Democrat Party is on the line.
00:28:38.000They have very little margin of error.
00:28:40.000At some point, are Democrats going to start cutting their losses, or do they say, we're just going to ride Joe Biden as far as we can and hope we do not get completely obliterated?
00:28:48.000Now, I do not know what this looks like from this point forward, but changing out a candidate is highly risky stuff.
00:28:54.000They very well might try this comeback kid arc.
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00:30:14.000And also, do you think it's more or less likely that Merchant puts Trump in immediate prison sentence?
00:30:20.000I think they have been playing for this prison sentence for a long time, Charlie.
00:30:23.000If they were going to go this distance, they didn't want to stop halfway.
00:30:26.000But the reality is, if you look at the performance of last night, it's completely made all of this irrelevant, actually.
00:30:32.000And that's the beauty of Donald Trump and what you got to respect about everything he's done against what they set up as the odds.
00:30:38.000First, try to take him off the ballot without even a trial.
00:30:41.000Then multiple different cases, two federal cases, a Georgia case, as well as the New York case, all coming at once.
00:30:46.000Three of those cases now move to one side, the New York conviction already acquitted in the eyes of the voting public.
00:30:52.000So even if they do put him in jail, he's in some ways immunized himself.
00:30:56.000He has created a shield based on truth, based on his vision for the future of this country.
00:31:01.000And I respect the hell out of him for that.
00:31:03.000And that's what makes America great, is leaders who are able to say, you know what, the people on the other side are going to continue to bring the arrows.
00:31:10.000It didn't stop our founding fathers from winning the revolution.
00:31:12.000And I don't think it's going to stop Donald Trump from winning this election if we all do our part as well.
00:31:18.000So whether they put him in prison or not, I think Donald Trump has it nailed to be able to explain to the American people why it's all a sham, and why the reason they're imprisoning him is the very fact that he's running and trying to fix this country.
00:31:28.000What I think the actual battle plan is, is how do the rest of us do our part to ensure that actual victory, such that when we come out in November, it's not 50.1 razor-thin margin, minus some shenanigans.
00:32:57.000We're running this, it's a holy mission that we're on to revive this country, regardless of what that machine puts up.
00:33:04.000And I also think it's something that our movement needs to keep in mind, and this is an interesting, maybe longer discussion for another day between us, Charlie.
00:33:10.000I think our own America First movement needs to keep our eye on the ball.
00:33:14.000Dismantling the deep state, dismantling those three-letter agencies, dismantling the regulatory state, that is actually our objective.
00:33:22.000And sometimes we risk taking our eye off the ball going after other objectives on the way.