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00:01:57.000This morning, a judge ordered the Trump administration to submit their concerns with allowing them back in by 12 30 Eastern.
00:02:05.000So, in about 27 minutes, they are ordered.
00:02:08.000To get that back in and explain themselves, but what's so fun about this cold war standoff?
00:02:14.000What's so fun about this is that you have these reporters, and I just wanted to lead with this because Real America's Voice cannot be said enough.
00:02:21.000This network stepped into the breach, into the gap, and has been providing the pool feed for media outlets all across the world of the White House for free.
00:02:42.000There's legislation being passed, and guess what?
00:02:44.000The mainstream news media is covering that's right, they're covering the fact that they are not allowed into the White House, and it is glorious.
00:02:51.000I say, hold the line, hold the line under what authority do they have to let these people in?
00:03:19.000He took the badge, he ran it again, and he said, It's still being disabled.
00:03:26.000But it's not clear, based on the interaction that I had, whether or not this is a defiance, as I heard Lisa was saying, of the court order, or it's some kind of incompetence or lag in the system where they have not updated our press badges and the fact that we should have access based on the judge's ruling, Jonathan.
00:04:31.000We've asked for clarification on what exactly is going on and when our credentials will be reinstated, according to that judge's temporary restraining order issued just after 1 a.m.
00:04:42.000So, this is just like catnip for them.
00:04:45.000They are the most important persons in the country, and therefore, it will be front page news day in and day out as long as you keep these guys out of the White House.
00:04:54.000And I say, good for you, President Trump.
00:05:39.000They claim that there are no more real journalists at the White House.
00:05:44.000But riddle me this if you're covering every single policy, even when they get rid of billions of dollars in fraud that is objectively good for the American people, and it's still 92% negative coverage, is that not propaganda?
00:05:58.000I don't want to get into that particular weed.
00:06:00.000What gets me is just the weirdness of you and I cannot walk into the White House whenever we want.
00:06:07.000You actually have to basically be invited.
00:06:09.000And it does strike me that it seems journalists specifically think that they have the specific inalienable legal right to get into the absolute nerve center of power, often for specific people.
00:06:23.000I remember they tried to, in the first term, boot out Jim Acosta and say, you have to send a different reporter to the White House.
00:06:30.000And I think they got a judge to rule, actually, Jim Acosta specifically has the right to go into the White House and be part of the pool.
00:06:39.000Well, and so what they are doing, if you actually look into the court orders and the The DOJ filed on behalf of the White House here, and they basically cited multiple national security leaks that have been given to these outlets as the justification for doing it.
00:06:54.000They said it's in the national security interest of the United States to ban these people from the White House.
00:06:58.000So it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
00:07:32.000I mean, we talked about how, for example, when we were watching 9 11 footage, 25 year anniversary, I was watching a lot of CNN stuff.
00:07:41.000And then I just thought about the CNN that I had to see every day.
00:07:44.000When I worked at Fox, for example, they would have CNN often playing on TVs in there and show the competition.
00:07:49.000And every single day it would have new heights of kind of ridiculously propagandistic chirons.
00:07:56.000I think I remember one that was just President Trump refuses to apologize for lies, I think was their subhead one day.
00:08:04.000Yeah, I mean, and this is what's interesting.
00:08:06.000I mean, I think that they have been doing penance for 10 years because Jeff Zuckerberg thinks that he's responsible for getting President Trump elected the first time because they covered his rallies.
00:08:18.000So, what you're actually seeing is this long march of penance by CNN and the others that feel that they are responsible for the state of the country because they are.
00:08:49.000If the judge says that President Trump and the Trump administration have to allow these people back into the White House, which they've sort of already said, but they've been given another few minutes here to file their response.
00:09:48.000I had a friend that got totally hooked on this stuff, and it was getting off it was this huge saga.
00:09:53.000God bless him, he did a great job getting off it, but it was like a whole I mean, this stuff is real serious stuff, and they just sell it at the stores.
00:10:08.000We got to give President Trump some kudos here.
00:10:11.000He has changed fundamentally the dynamic with the mainstream news media.
00:10:17.000And it's a testament to the power of this audience at Real America's Voice, a testament of what Charlie has done, what Jack has done, what Bannon has done to help cultivate this audience, John Solomon, so many others.
00:11:19.000Sharon says if the Lion MSM must for now be admitted, just take none of their questions, seat them in the back or against the back wall, and give them no privileges.
00:11:28.000I do think that would be the funniest possible thing to say.
00:11:31.000You need to make them all wear a dress.
00:11:32.000You're let in, and if they can maintain discipline to never, ever call on them, and then that could lead to a really funny drama.
00:11:40.000Will we get a court order to say you have to ask?
00:11:57.000So you could get very funny drama where every person in this wider range of outlets, they'll just say, Could you please answer CNN's questions?
00:13:14.000Well, I just really liked we got Anthony's idea.
00:13:17.000He says what they should do is build a press media tent inside the White House because they have credentials, like you use for a party, put a TV with speakers in there and no mics and make them watch the briefings that way.
00:13:54.000All right, we got to get to this Mizzou story before we bring on Shane Winnings in the next segment, because I want you guys to have the background here.
00:15:09.000So, for those who can't see that, not only was that guy saying, Yeah, I support people being killed for the First Amendment, but he was wearing, in mockery of Charlie, a white freedom t shirt, has it all dyed red, you know, neck injury looks.
00:15:41.000There are individual cranks who will do anything, but a big difference between right and left.
00:15:47.000If there were any left wing icon who was horribly murdered, assassinated in public, it would never occur to me to go right in the face of liberals who might be memorializing him, remembering who loved that specific person, and mock them over it, dress up in a costume.
00:16:06.000And more to the point, it would be completely impossible for me to get a dozen people to tag along with me, to clap like seals when I did it.
00:18:02.000When this, I guess, sort of androgynous looking person approaches the mic wearing a T shirt, a Freedom T shirt with blood on the left side, obviously mocking Charlie in the way he was killed.
00:18:16.000You engaged him in the debate, but I could tell there must have been a moment where you're like, do I even do this?
00:18:22.000What was going through your mind in that moment, Shane?
00:18:50.000Some of their members came forward and called this individual out on the mic.
00:18:53.000And I used that momentum to call them forward and they came.
00:18:57.000So, you know, as dark as it feels sometimes, I'm grateful and have hope that we have some real patriots, real God fearing, God loving people on those campuses.
00:19:08.000I mean, there's a reason why Charlie specifically was, you know, took note of trans people in the audience or at the events.
00:19:17.000And the more we know about this person, the internet's been sleuthing around.
00:19:21.000There's a big, big fascination with blood, big fascination with guns.
00:19:26.000He's posing with a sign saying, kill cops, kiss girls.
00:19:32.000You know, did you feel, I mean, did you feel like threatened by this person at all?
00:19:37.000Was any of that energy going on or was it just, Did you just feel like it was there for just mocking sake?
00:19:43.000I definitely felt like it was just mocking.
00:19:46.000You know, there weren't any threats made.
00:19:48.000Obviously, they didn't, you know, make any kind of threatening motions or movements or say anything particularly threatening.
00:19:55.000You know, and what I'm finding is just trying to have compassion, remember that somewhere underneath this facade of a human that we're witnessing is a person that God deeply cares about.
00:20:06.000And so I'm trying to balance accountability and compassion and mercy and all of these things at once.
00:20:12.000And so I think delivering a direct truth, telling someone, hey, You know, I believe the way that you think is sad, and I think that you're a sick person.
00:20:21.000But pointing them back to like Christ as the one who can change the heart, I think that's the real victory there.
00:20:26.000And so, you know, they came up, they got their 90 seconds of fame, but the internet is doing its thing.
00:20:31.000And yeah, this person had a pretty dark past.
00:20:34.000And what concerned me the most was the initial response from Mizzou, who didn't even want us on campus and then didn't want to provide a strong police presence.
00:20:43.000And so, hopefully, now after the fact, they realize they've got some pretty evil people walking their campus and they need to do a better job protecting their students.
00:20:51.000At a student held function, they didn't want to provide a police presence.
00:21:37.000So I just found it fascinating that the one campus where we really have a crazy kind of experience like this is the one where they didn't seem too interested in showing a true presence on campus.
00:22:12.000Eric Schmidt, Senator Eric Schmidt, Senator Josh Hawley, great friends of the show, both tremendous Patriots, you know, big Mizzou fans, all that stuff.
00:22:20.000But I mean, that doesn't negate the fact that locally at these campuses, you can feel a heaviness.
00:24:48.000And, you know, I find it more and more interesting.
00:24:50.000The more campuses we go to and students we talk to, conservatives at large want to have conversations and influence the hearts and minds of America to make the right decisions come voting day and how they live their lives.
00:25:03.000And the left, who claims us to be fascists and dictators and all this, hate us for having conversations and want to kill us for what we say.
00:25:11.000So, you know, they are what they call us.
00:25:14.000And we just have to remember we can't fight fire with fire, we don't respond the way they do.
00:28:24.000And I pray these people learn what that actually feels like to be able to live for something and even die for something that you believe is true.
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00:30:07.000Archbishop Fulton Sheen is the beatification.
00:30:58.000Who insists on compassion being shown to the muggers, to the dope fiends, to the throat slashers, to the beatnicks, to the prostitutes, to the homosexuals, to the punks, so that today the decent man is practically off the reservation?
00:31:59.000And in fact, as you see behind me, there's 50,000 people here.
00:32:02.000And it's not just Catholics, by the way, it's Christians, it's people who are just curious.
00:32:08.000It's a celebration of American patriotism.
00:32:10.000It's an awakening of bringing Christ back into the public square.
00:32:14.000You're seeing behind me, this is the Sheen Expo, and the crowd is turning over, by the way.
00:32:19.000You've got a ton of young priests, you've got Gen Z, you've got nuns all over the place, sisters.
00:32:25.000And again, by the way, this is just the convention hall because later this afternoon in America's Dome where the St. Louis Rams used to play, they're filling out the entire football stadium for the two hour beatification mass and celebration.
00:33:21.000He never dropped denouncing these godless atheist communists.
00:33:25.000And it just fundamentally understood that communism stood as opposition to Christianity, opposition to God, opposition to the idea of natural rights.
00:33:35.000By the way, later on in that clip you guys just played, he starts going off on novelists and he calls John Steinbeck a slob and a pervert.
00:33:43.000It's just hilarious the levels that he would go to.
00:33:46.000He said it started with the novelists.
00:34:20.000Anti heroes, the breaking bads, the worshiping the villain in Hollywood and pop culture that is starting to at least contribute to the inversion of morality.
00:34:59.000He meant the influence of Christianity on the public culture, on politics, on media, and in providing for that moral underpinning of society.
00:35:09.000And he called it out as the end of Christendom.
00:35:12.000And something I think should come as no surprise to anyone is that, of course, our dear friend Charlie was a huge Fulton Sheen fan.
00:35:19.000He would always send me clips back and forth.
00:36:23.000It was one of those things where going into it, I think there was a lot of hope that Vatican II would be sort of along the lines of his own pontificate, his own public work, I should say, that it would be a way to bring more people into the church.
00:36:39.000Of it, but he saw very quickly that the world had changed.
00:36:44.000And so I don't know if he lived long enough to really see the ramifications and repercussions of it, but for his entire time as a priest, again, up until Vatican II, he was celebrating the Latin Mass, he was celebrating it the traditional way.
00:36:57.000And in fact, Fulton Sheen was someone who he conducted by rituals, which means, of course, that he conducted it in Latin as well as the Greek Byzantine Rite.
00:37:10.000Of the Mass, which is a sort of an outreach to our Orthodox brothers and sisters in the Eastern Church, because he's someone who greatly, greatly believed in that.
00:37:19.000And in fact, John Paul II, who traveled to New York City to meet with his first visit to America, he specifically requested to meet with Fulton Sheen.
00:37:30.000And Fulton Sheen came out just eight weeks before he died.
00:37:33.000He fully suited up and came out to meet John Paul II.
00:38:15.000He's a smart guy and a great thinker, and he's always looking at the map, the electoral map, and you're bringing in insights that other people are not.
00:38:22.000Now, Ryan, so good to see you, and thanks for making the time today.
00:38:26.000You have a new Substack out called The Laws of Political Gravity Are Still in Effect.
00:38:32.000I think it's important because right now everybody's basically saying hey, if you're in an R plus 15 or a Trump plus 15, more accurately, do some polling.
00:38:40.000You might be on the chopping block, which is freaking out a lot of people.
00:39:07.000Yeah, I wrote this in the National Populist Newsletter sub stack.
00:39:10.000So I looked at the waves of 2025, which was only a year ago in Virginia and in New Jersey.
00:39:15.000And in both those waves, what we saw was that in the case of Virginia, Not a single Republican running in a district that had voted for Trump by five or more points lost.
00:39:27.000Most of the losses sustained in the state House level were in Harris districts, right?
00:39:31.000Still painful to lose, but they were not in Republican districts.
00:39:35.000And the few that were, were in marginal Trump seats.
00:39:37.000Over in New Jersey, also a wave year, both Jersey and Virginia moved by about nine points left where they were just the previous year in 2024, that we saw most of the seats once again going by Harris seats or marginal Trump seats.
00:39:53.000And actually, Republicans retained a Harris seat in Jersey and another Trump seat that he won by like half a point.
00:39:58.000So it's not all Republicans losing R plus 15 states over and over again.
00:40:23.000But in the overall average, in the median Republican seat, no, you're not going to see these R plus 20 seats or R plus 15 seats going by the wayside.
00:40:43.000We saw that in the, I think even in the 24 election, that if you looked by how much each state moved towards Trump, he won the overall popular vote.
00:40:51.000And the driver of that, while we did do better in basically every state, the biggest swings are he goes, Jersey was an example.
00:40:58.000He went from losing New Jersey by 12 points, 15 points to, oh, he loses it by seven, which is closer than a lot of swing states actually were in that year.
00:41:08.000Or he loses Massachusetts by, 10 instead of by 25.
00:41:12.000He's losing very blue states by a bit less.
00:41:16.000And I guess, as you're saying, losing pretty blue districts by less, since he's doing better with Hispanics, with Asians, but those are in Democrat areas.
00:41:25.000So there's sort of limits to how much damage you can take when those move back to maybe where they just historically are or even more Democrat.
00:41:33.000Yeah, well, I mean, the shift in 2024 from 2020 was very heavily representative in Asian and Latino areas.
00:41:39.000That's where you saw the huge 30 point swings at South Florida, South Texas, and some urban areas.
00:41:44.000But they were very concentrated in blue areas.
00:41:46.000New York City saw a big swift to the right.
00:41:49.000Suburbs of Chicago, Los Angeles, those were all areas that flipped very heavily to the right.
00:41:53.000They could easily flip back 20 or 30 points.
00:43:09.000Half of the seats went moved to either the right or to the left by less than four points.
00:43:15.000So if we're seeing these big swings, if we're seeing this overrepresentation in swings, Where are we seeing it?
00:43:21.000In the generic polling, what we're seeing right now for 2026 is we're seeing red states move further to the left than blue states or purple states.
00:43:30.000That is why you have state legislative districts and congressional districts in Pennsylvania still being competitive.
00:43:35.000That's why Susan Collins is ahead by three in the new New York Times poll.
00:43:39.000That's why New Hampshire is within five points and Minnesota in many races are within three points.
00:43:45.000Red states are seeing a bigger movement to the left than the overall general public.
00:43:49.000I don't think that it's enough movement to the left.
00:43:52.000Either A, it's a polling error, which is completely possible, but you get overrepresentation of very left wing Democrats in a lot of these polls in red states.
00:44:00.000We saw that in Iowa in 2024, where we had a bunch of Rachel Maddow viewers.
00:44:06.000Saying that they were going to vote for Kamala.
00:44:09.000Ann Seltzer famously says Kamala is going to win Iowa.
00:44:20.000There could be a significant polling error.
00:44:22.000And at the same exact time, there is a very strong possibility that one, the marginal seats very well could go for Republicans, but the overwhelming feeling that we're going to see these R plus 10, R plus 12 districts all fall by the wayside.
00:44:37.000The only way that that could absolutely happen is if Republicans don't vote, which was the case in 2014.
00:44:42.000Democrats just did not show up in 2014.
00:44:44.000If Republicans just don't show up, then yes, I would say maybe R plus 10 seats are competitive.
00:44:49.000The idea that R plus 15 seats are competitive is, in my mind, delusion.
00:44:53.000Devil's advocate, and we only have about a minute here, so we can go into this in the next segment.
00:44:57.000But should we consider the idea that the overall national vibe?
00:45:01.000A lot of people would say polls could be inaccurate because Democrats are incredibly fired up and Republicans are hesitant to answer polls.
00:45:09.000I feel we saw during the cold open, they're talking how Democrats are actually very angry, they're very motivated, but they're not fired up.
00:45:16.000They don't love their leaders the same way.
00:45:18.000It's a much more just anti Trump specifically rage.
00:45:22.000And maybe that means the polls are not going to be as imbalanced as much, or that Republicans, we don't have the shy Trump voter effect anymore.
00:45:29.000You actually now have the dispirited Trump voter, the person who says they're really mad about Iran or Epstein.
00:45:36.000And you're going to get much more cases of if they're voting at all, it's purely the begrudging, I. I'm terrified of the left and what they will do, as opposed to the more enthusiastic stuff you saw in the past.
00:45:47.000Well, hate's a good motivating factor to go vote.
00:45:49.000Hate's a good motivating factor in life.
00:45:52.000So, I mean, it is a good thing to have hate.
00:45:55.000But at the same exact time, that is, if you look at the overall polling of what is motivating people to go vote for Republicans, only 2% of Republicans say they're going to go vote to support Trump.
00:46:08.000On average, they're voting either A, to stop socialism, that's about a fifth of all the Republican voters, or B, because they like the Republican congressman or the Republican representative.
00:46:17.000The economy is definitely hurting Republicans overall, but I think that when push comes to shove, these undecided voters who always vote Republican, if they vote, they're voting for Republicans again.
00:46:28.000Just got to get them out to the polls, which is why what we're doing at Turning Point Action is so important.
00:46:47.000New York, because Bibi Netanyahu is going to go there.
00:46:50.000So the Palestinian flag waivers are all in full effect.
00:46:53.000I think there's some protesters, anti Chinese, anti CCP protesters in DC today as well.
00:46:58.000So lots going on in the international world, but we're worried mostly, first and foremost, about domestic politics because that's what we care about.
00:47:45.000Well, Marshall has a bunch of issues, but yeah, Kansas is a red state that's been getting more blue, not in every election cycle, but it's trending blue over long term.
00:47:55.000A lot of college educated people are moving to the eastern side of Kansas.
00:47:59.000Kansas City is growing out and the suburbs are.
00:48:01.000Kansas City are becoming bluer for sure.
00:48:04.000However, I am going to cast a D for doubt on this one because Marshall's last.
00:48:11.000We saw in the polling, if it was 2022, I believe, or 2018, where the independent running basically as a Democrat was up significantly in that election.
00:49:21.000There's less Republicans in a blue state, so you see less of a shift just by proportion of the population.
00:49:28.000Also, Kansas, we have to remember Kansas, because it is a one party state, a lot of people are registered Republicans who, in fact, vote Democrat.
00:49:36.000So if they're Getting L2 data based on party registration.
00:49:39.000You see this all throughout the suburbs.
00:50:24.000And so I know we're going to want to, we are trying to label him as this big avatar of Democrats.
00:50:30.000But if the 60% or so who aren't familiar with him are going to be the people who are swing voters in this race in the first place, I mean, potentially.
00:50:40.000What do you do you make of you should we be plastering Hassan Piker's mug, right?
00:50:44.000There it is with his tiny little head up on all of the ads, uh, in these states.
00:50:48.000Um, I people don't know who he is overwhelmingly because at the end of the day, he's a streamer.
00:50:52.000I mean, he's not even really a podcast, he's a streamer.
00:50:55.000He went to, I think, two events, and I think the place that you have the biggest numbers for him is in Michigan where he's being where he actually went to go campaign.
00:51:02.000He was invited by the Democrat to go campaign.
00:51:05.000Yeah, I think it's a tough sell, and it's also really disheartening for Republicans that Mandani has such high favorable ratings.
00:52:11.000I think that what we can most hope for is that this big bag of cash pulls Paxton off of the finish line, that we hold on to Susan Collins and to Dan Sullivan, that we retain Iowa, and then the big jump ball is Ohio.
00:52:23.000And if that happens, Republicans can still have a 51 Senate majority and at the end of the day have a nice day.
00:52:28.000But I. Mike Rogers is not making the numbers he should be in Michigan.
00:52:33.000The number of Republicans who have abandoned Trump on issues that he is championing is telling.
00:52:39.000And I think what's even worse is the fact that the president is talking about things that no other American is talking about.
00:52:48.000We don't need another body of water to be changed their name to a lake or river of America.
00:53:41.000I think his numbers went up immediately after.
00:53:44.000And I think he's done a really, JD specifically, he's done a really good job of kind of being supportive, being one of the champions of the president, but also putting some daylight between him and some of these more controversial issues.
00:53:56.000And JD's been the biggest advocate for these Republicans.
00:53:58.000JD is working his tail off and he's going everywhere.
00:54:01.000I haven't, and it would be good if we had some messaging from the president, even on job numbers, which have been pretty decent.
00:54:07.000Like, Tote the thing, talk about things that are working.
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00:56:40.000So, for those of you who don't speak Spanish, which should be most of you, she says, I'm more proud to be Guatemalan than I am to be American.
00:56:47.000And here she is putting up a bill to abolish ICE and dismantle DHS, Oren McIntyre.
00:56:53.000I mean, this is why the propositional nation is completely ridiculous.
00:56:56.000It's very clear that she has never in any way really been an American.
00:57:03.000Her parents were illegals from Guatemala.
00:57:05.000She is only American because the Supreme Court has completely destroyed the actual meaning of the 14th Amendment.
00:57:12.000Birthright citizenship is not a real thing.
00:57:14.000It's not the intention of the people who drafted the amendment.
00:57:16.000It was certainly never the intention of the founders.
00:57:18.000And so we have a scenario where what is functionally a foreign agent who has referred to the people of Guatemala or Hispanic people in general as.
00:57:28.000Her people in a way that Americans are not.
00:58:34.000So, what she's saying is, we are going to abolish the Department of Homeland Security so our people and create a new department so our people will no longer have to live in fear.
00:58:45.000Well, I will say, if you are American, your people do not live in fear from DHS because you are American and DHS is only aimed at non Americans.
00:58:55.000So, when she says, our people will not live in fear of DHS, she is categorically stating, Her people, her nationality is outside of America.
00:59:05.000Well, and I'll just make the same challenge that I do every time when someone talks about America being a purely creedal nation or a nation of ideas.
00:59:24.000Most of the people who talk about the creedal nation or America as an idea would keep her here, even though she in every way, shape, or form opposes what it means to be an American.
00:59:33.000So if it turns out creed and belief isn't actually what makes you an American, then what does?
00:59:39.000If we can't answer the question with it's a set of ideas, it's a set of principles, because actually the people who don't hold the ideas and don't hold the principles literally sit in peace.
00:59:47.000Places of political power inside the United States, well, then we need a new definition.
00:59:52.000And that means maybe Beau French wasn't so far off when he said, you know, it turns out that America is more than just a, you know, football jersey or a t shirt or a hand sign.
01:00:01.000Maybe America is something a little deeper, something that this woman does not connect with.
01:00:05.000You know, this is such, I just genuinely believe this is the most important conversation that we should be having on the right.
01:00:12.000And the fact that it's taken to now is really just a function that we've had such a great country for so long and things.
01:00:19.000And then we had all this migration, and it's flipping everything upside down, and we're losing a sense of self to the point that people that still can remember what America was when we grew up are now trying to articulate this and define it so that we have a clear understanding of ourselves.
01:00:35.000You know, it strikes me, Oren, and maybe you just talk to this, and I've got this Jeremy Boring clip that I think is important as well.
01:00:43.000But it strikes me that Liberia has a very similar constitution to that of the United States, and yet it is nothing in comparison to the United States.
01:00:52.000And that fundamental juxtaposition, and you said early on, you said a country is its people.
01:00:59.000That it's not the piece of paper that founded it.
01:01:42.000You have to solve the issue of people coming over who believe in something before you can actually get rid of that belief.
01:01:48.000If you have enough Muslims in America, you're going to get Sharia law no matter what you ban.
01:01:52.000We don't have English common law in the United States because we objectively evaluated it as the best system, though I think it is the best system.
01:01:59.000But ultimately, we have the English common law because we're descended from Anglos.
01:02:06.000And so the Constitution, our rule of law, the Declaration of Independence, our court system, all of these things are beliefs that came out of that English tradition.
01:02:17.000And so if you get rid of the people who have that heritage, who have that belief, who have that understanding, That way of being, and you replace them with people who do not, you'll get the new way of being, the new belief, the new structure, and not the old one.
01:02:31.000The people and the ideas are the same thing.
01:02:33.000Yes, America is built on beautiful, wonderful ideas, ideas that I cherish, but the ideas came from somewhere.
01:02:40.000They came from some people, and they don't just map onto everyone.
01:02:43.000We can't put them into Liberia or Afghanistan or Iraq or Iran and expect to get the same result.
01:02:50.000The ideas do not change the people, the people make the ideas.
01:02:53.000Yeah, and it's also their level of attachment to it.
01:02:55.000I think of what you say about it comes from our Anglo heritage.
01:02:58.000And I've often said, regardless of what your actual ethnic origin is, I feel you're not truly American in some sense until you start to care about English history more than you care about probably a lot, you know, any other country's history, probably including the one you came from.
01:04:14.000That would be all these different smears and pejoratives if you care about your own land the way she cares about Mexico.
01:04:20.000If you want to see a radical leftist become a blood and soil nationalist, just ask them about the country they really care about.
01:04:26.000This comes up all the time, a really funny one.
01:04:28.000So, for example, we've talked about Indian immigrants to the United States, and it's a type you can find as someone who votes for the right wing Hindu nationalist party.
01:04:37.000In India or supports them, cares about them, follows them, and then they are a radical left Democrat in the United States.
01:04:46.000You want the radical leftist view for the United States that will say, give unlimited money and programs to immigrants into the United States, and for the country you really care about, you say, I want to preserve its history, its identity, its people.
01:05:00.000Yeah, everybody is a blood and soil nationalist for the country they actually care about.
01:05:04.000And to be fair, we see this on the right with Israel.
01:05:18.000A nation is a people who is able to defend its right to exist.
01:05:22.000And as long as Israel or the United States do that, then they also have a right to be completely loyal to their people, their place, and their history.
01:05:32.000I think this is a right that should extend to everybody.
01:05:34.000And so when you have somebody who is Mexican, who sees herself as Mexican, who fights for Mexican blood and soil nationalism, we shouldn't be surprised.
01:05:41.000She just loves the thing she actually cares about and hates us.
01:05:44.000Yeah, and yet we have to be burdened by this tyranny of foreigners that actually are ruling over us.
01:05:50.000It's almost like the biblical prophecy is coming true.
01:05:54.000They're ruling over us, they're mocking us, they're shoving it in our faces, and they're proud about it.
01:05:59.000And then if we say anything, then we're the racist.
01:06:56.000The best way I can answer it is someone that has demonstrated through objective measurements and markers that this is home, that you have more than respect or reverence, that you're willing to die, that you are all in, that this is a place that you're willing to bleed for and sacrifice for.
01:07:12.000This is not a dumping ground for the third world, this is not a social experiment.
01:07:17.000You got a tear in your eye on July 4th, that you worship God, not Allah.
01:07:25.000That you have a sense of weight and responsibility, that you care about your fellow neighbor.
01:07:31.000An American is more than just someone that has a U.S. passport.
01:07:37.000There's this clip, Oren, that your friend, our friend John Doyle, was responding to.
01:07:42.000And listen, Blake was just on Jeremy's podcast.
01:07:44.000I mean, this is nothing against Jeremy, it really just highlights the fact that this is a debate that we have ongoing, especially on the right, of what to make of this.
01:08:00.000And what does it mean if the rest of us don't agree?
01:08:03.000Every one of these questions can be asked in good faith, and every one of them can be asked in bad faith, too.
01:08:09.000The fight over these questions is tearing up the internet, it's tearing up the right, and it's quietly reshaping the country underneath our feet.
01:08:48.000He went much deeper into kind of his beliefs in what America is or should be.
01:08:53.000And his came out to what it seemed to be the propositional nation, the idea that America, Is basically a set of ideas that's something that you can assent to, that anyone can join as long as they really believe in the values of the United States.
01:09:06.000And, you know, kind of the dangerous thing here, and I think the implication from the clip that you showed us is the idea that it would somehow be bad if someone decides who would be an American, who decides, right?
01:09:17.000But that's kind of a leftist position, right?
01:09:20.000That there can be no real identity of America because we can't decide on who an American is, that ultimately there is no real America at all.
01:09:29.000This is the kind of position that is deconstructionist.
01:09:32.000It dissolves American identity in the same way that asking, What is a woman? creates the same disillusion, right?
01:10:03.000We all know what it is when we see one.
01:10:05.000And the thing about identity is the more specific you get, the more particular you get, the more deconstructive you get.
01:10:10.000Because it turns out identity isn't just materialism, it's actually something that is very much bound up with the spirit, with something that is far beyond just your genetics or anything like that.
01:10:20.000But this is also obviously tied to heritage and tradition and everything else.
01:10:25.000And so we have to understand that America is, at some level, a synthesis.
01:10:29.000But that doesn't mean it isn't a real identity.
01:10:31.000America has been an Anglo descended nation that was able to absorb a European diaspora.
01:10:37.000That's pretty much how our founding fathers understood it.
01:10:40.000And that's the way our immigration laws understood it all the way up until the Hart Seller Act, when we got rid of the idea that we would limit most of our immigration to Europe.
01:10:48.000We all understood that compatibility was critical for this transition.
01:10:51.000America was already having a hard time assimilating some Europeans, including the Germans.
01:10:56.000And the fact that now we're pretending we can assimilate just everybody exactly the same way, that's just flying in the face of everything that even our founders believe.
01:11:04.000Oh, it's so, it is the biggest fool's errand.
01:11:07.000We are going to be paying for this for generations.
01:11:10.000It's just so infuriating how, as you say, this somehow works on a huge number of people that if you can't easily draw a bright line on every single subcase, that they'll just say it doesn't exist.
01:11:24.000Oh, there could be a fuzzy line on what.
01:12:11.000And most of those are from the third world.
01:12:12.000And remember, historically, the only way you'd ever see that many people arrive in a new place is if they show up and they conquer it and they kill you and they rape your women.
01:13:02.000Up from all of this filth, up from this violence, up from this indifference of courts, up, up to the hid battlements of eternity, up, up to God.
01:13:36.000If you're Catholic, then this should be even more applicable to you because, of course, the classic Aquinas doctrine on immigration and assimilation is three generations that you're not really part of a country until your children and then your grandchildren have intermarried, have adopted the faith, have taken on the language and the folkways.
01:13:55.000I think we need to have a generational understanding of citizenship in the United States.
01:14:00.000You don't get to just walk onto our soil and magically become an American.
01:14:03.000But one day, if you work very hard and you intermarry and you take on all of these different aspects, Than your great grandchildren.
01:14:10.000They'll be American, and that should be the dream.
01:14:12.000Google tells me three generations span roughly 75 to 90 years.
01:14:16.000So when we're talking about immigration moratoriums, maybe we should start there.
01:14:20.000Orrin McIntyre, thank you so much for making the time, my friend.